Berlin

New to this forum..

Can someone please explain difference in Partytreff, FKK Club, flatrate club.

I am interested in visiting either caligula or King george.. Are these flatrate.

Does that mean just one fee and no money inside. Are specials included.

Thanks much

Anyone know where I can find some nice redheads?

I mean real redheads, not dyed hair?

Very pale skin?

Thanks

PS: If you have a girl you would like to bring to a place with some "installations" you can go here [url]http://www.moechtegern.com/[/url]

There is a dongeon, medical chairs and some other stuff.

I went there it looks nice, but there was nothing happenning when I w.

Well, just visited berlin for a day on my way up north, didn't really know what to choose, a visit to Hase or call a girl to come to my mobilehome/wohnmobil. Last time a had a supersession, 60 minutes, 110 euro for the usual stuff + FT, with a darkhaired 18J germangirl whos name I forgotten.

However I decided to call same agency again. Big mistake:

- Called the guy and asked for Simona, wanted 60 min + anal. "Ok" said the guy, wait there 35-40 minutes.

- After 60 minutes I called again "is she coming soon? ", "yeah yeah soon" he said.

- "After 90 minutes I called again, and 5 minutes later she arrived

- Simona is maybe 18-22 yrs old. But had the body of a 40 year old woman, tits terrible, skin wrinky, and the scar I read about earlier that someone refered to as from giving birth to a kid, looked more like the one from an attemted murder.

- She started to blow a bit, boored. But I was horny so yeah yeah. I fucked her ok. She was turning her head away as much as she could (from my point of view I'm a good guy, 39 yrs, good shape, good looks.). I then fucked her anal. She managed ok

- Then we took a break after I came. Maybe 30 minutes had passed. She started lookin at her clock. I tald her we had much time left. ". Maybe 10 minutes" she said. No no I pay for 60 minutes I said.

- I started jerking a bit to get a long for a second session. Took her hand, but she was very unwilling to jerk it. Looked at it as a disease. Very unpleasant. "can you suck it please? " I said. "no no" she said. " and just shook her head and refused. I then jumped up from the bed and told her to leave my car right away. *****

- I informed the guy from the agancy about her behavior and that I never ever will here of this agancy again.

Next time if I'm ever in berlin again it will be the Hase. Or change the route home for a nice FKK in colognearea.

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[QUOTE=Berlinfr]Anyone know where I can find some nice redheads?

I mean real redheads, not dyed hair?

Very pale skin?

Thanks

PS: If you have a girl you would like to bring to a place with some "installations" you can go here [url]http://www.moechtegern.com/[/url]

There is a dongeon, medical chairs and some other stuff.

I went there it looks nice, but there was nothing happenning when I w.[/QUOTE]

Honestly the first thing that came to mind was Dublin (Ireland) but then I guess you are not wanting to travel so far.

True redheads are a bit of a rarity as I am sure you know. I can remember one or two from my distant past with nice little strawberry patches between the legs....I did not really appreciate it at the time I have to say.

You could give this girl a try.

[url]http://www.hobbyfreundin.de/detail.php?anzeige=5987&s=8&plz=1[/url]

I used to visit her at a Schöneberg bordello a few years back (3-4) and found her to be very sympathetic and an enthusiastic girl. Her hair may well be dyed (?) but she does have the lilly white skin. The only caveat is that I saw her so long back and the pics are from that time so she may have changed her appearance by now. She was a little bit punky/alternative in style but a very sweet girl.

My other suggestion would to give KD a try. I quick look on their website turns up June.

[url]http://www.kamilla-dee.com/english/frames_e.htm[/url]

Again, maybe the hair is dyed but she does have a red hair look to her. I have no experience with her and do not remember reading any reviews but I find KD girls always give a certain high level of service (but safe-no bbbj) and if you click with her it can be very good.

Please post the report if you go. Especially with Leyla (I knew her as Kim) as I would be very curious to find out if she is still as good as I remember.

AM

[QUOTE=Lucknow]New to this forum..

Can someone please explain difference in Partytreff, FKK Club, flatrate club.

I am interested in visiting either caligula or King george.. Are these flatrate.

Does that mean just one fee and no money inside. Are specials included.

Thanks much[/QUOTE]

Hi,

An FKK is a club where you pay the girls individually for the sessions you have with them. That is you pay an entry fee (usually between 50-80 euros) and then mingle with the girls in a bar or central area. If you find a girl you like you, usually, head off to a private room and have sex. The fee again fluctuates from club to club but is usually around 50-60 euros for the half hour. Longer sessions are charged more and you will usually (there are exceptions-Bernds) pay extra for such things as CIM.

The girls do tend to be of better quality and your experience can be good or bad depending on how well you chose your partner and many other factors. Drinks (coffee, tea, soft drinks) are included in the entry fee as is use of any facilities (sauna, swim pool, jacuzzi) the particular club may offer. Some of the clubs are rather large (Oase, World in Frankfurt-Artemis here in Berlin) and others smaller. A large club on a busy night will have upwards of 70-80 girls working.

FKK are great but they can be expensive if you take longer sessions and pile on the extras. They can also be more personal and you can meet some really nice girls (physically & personality) there. You, if you want, get to know them a bit before having sex.

But remember it is all very illusory.

Flatrate & Partytref are often used sort of interchangeably but in fact I feel there is a difference. And I have not a whole lot of personal experience with either. There are members who could probably say more.

But briefly.

Partytref tend to be smaller places employing just a few girls and tend to be in smaller towns or on the outskirts of small cities. You pay a fee and get to have as much sex as you want. There may also be some sort of food on offer. The sex tends to be more or less public and orgy type situations are encouraged. That is several men servicing & being serviced by one girl. Ths may also differ from club to club.

As I understand it the success of a Partytref depends very much on management. Some are in it to provide a good party and really care about their customers having a good time. Some are more just in it for the money and not so service oriented. The girls do tend to be rougher than at an FKK though I am sure that there are exceptions.For more detailed information you would really have to do some research over in the Partytref forums.

A Flatrate club seems to be a fairly new development in the German P4P scene. I think they are pretty similar to a Partytref in that you pay a fee and all is supposed to be included. But the set up in a Flatrate club is a bit more like that of an FKK. You are in a clubby type atmosphere and you go to a private room with the girls. Not so much group action is encouraged.

As I say I have never been to a Flatrate so take my thoughts on the subject with that in mind. I guess as I see it Flatrate are a response to the economic situation. That is there are punters wanting more for less and girls who are economically in the situation of having to give more for less. The girls often come from places like Romania & Bulgaria and are working hard for a lot less money than an FKK girl makes. Thus the service can suffer and you might be more processed that have a nice GFE. If this is okay with you then great.

As I mention to a member below, my observation of the reports that come out of the Berlin Flatrates (Airport Muschi, Caligula, King George) is that they differ greatly. Some guys report a great time others have terrible experience. I think that you have to go in with a good attitude and be prepared to be disappointed. If it all works out good, great. If not, you have not spent too much.

I do suggest that you read the forum, both here and the Partytref forum to get a better idea of what to expect and where to go.

AM

[QUOTE=Corre]However I decided to call same agency again. Big mistake:
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Sorry you had such a time. But if you have read my own (very important;--)) opinions on the subject of cheap Berlin agencies you will know that your experience is very much to be expected.

These larger agencies that sell the girls' services at the relatively cheap price of less than 100 euros have little to no stake in keeping you satisfied. If all you ever to is call once, they are happy as they have plenty of girls and plenty of customers calling.

And they pay the girl very little of that cash you gave her. Probably 20-25 euros. So she has to keep going 18 hours a day to make a decent wage. It is really pretty close to sex traffic. At least in the grey area IMO.

And please do not take this all as me telling you off for using the service. I also have used such services (not this particular agency-but similar) and I do not say it is wrong. Just that one needs to realize that for that money you take a chance that it will be shit.

For discount sex-the smaller bordellos are generally a better choice in Berlin.

But many thanks for the report. Even bad reports are useful here. You took one for the team.

Thank you Angus; It seems that all the roads lead me to KD :) I like the girls they have there.

Lucy and June look great for my taste.

[QUOTE=Angus Magee]
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My other suggestion would to give KD a try. I quick look on their website turns up June.

[url]http://www.kamilla-dee.com/english/frames_e.htm[/url]

Again, maybe the hair is dyed but she does have a red hair look to her. I have no experience with her and do not remember reading any reviews ...
AM[/QUOTE]

1) KD's June : see at the end of this following post
[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=939471&postcount=1817[/url]

2) KD's Lucy : "time out" for long time already; I wondered if she's back to her island. Nice meetings with her (see old posts (2008 ?) but in general my posts are very short); I think that Lucy is not a redheaded lady.

3) Mondschien's Marlene : redheaded lady for sure !!!
[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=959185&postcount=1871[/url]

Hi guys, had a chance to visit Germany again. This time my first time in Berlin. I read the reports and decided at the end for King George, even that I was not sure to got there because of other report.

All at all the experience was pretty good. Not like an upscale FKK such as Golden Time but good value for money. The club has a nice owner, The problems mentioned with the drinks for the girls is not a problem at all. I was asked to invite a girl for a drink one time only but made her understand that I do not want to invite her. That was about it. No harassment at all. The girls were Latin and Romanian on an average level. Nothing spectacular, but what do you want to expect for 79.00 Euro including drinks. There was a skinny read head that I liked. It just was a perfect deal. So if you do not want to spend a lot just enjoy the club with a couple of beers. It was honest and this is most important to me.

Enjoy!

[QUOTE=Hooters For Ever]Hi guys, had a chance to visit Germany again. This time my first time in Berlin. I read the reports and decided at the end for King George, even that I was not sure to got there because of other report.[/QUOTE]


Thanks for the report Hooters (any relation to Hooters the American restaurant chain that recently opened a Berlin location?) of King George. As you may well know I follow these things and this place has had varying reviews on the German forums.

But reading your report I think that if one goes here with the right attitude, is firm about the drinks thing (only buy her a drink if you want to-learn how to say no politely) and treats the girls with some respect, you will have a good time at a hard to beat price.

I do wonder if the same coup could be pulled off at Caligula which has had even worse reports than King George. I have recently visited the web page and have to say that if the photos are accurate they have some really nice girls there.

AM

[QUOTE=Berlinfr]Thank you Angus; It seems that all the roads lead me to KD [/QUOTE]

KD is always a good choice. While it may not be the most adventurous place to visit, it certainly is the most dependable.

I would have to say that Bobo fr. is our resident KD expert as he has a number of good reviews to his credit on the forum.

[QUOTE=Angus Magee]Hi,

Flatrate & Partytref are often used sort of interchangeably but in fact I feel there is a difference. And I have not a whole lot of personal experience with either. There are members who could probably say more.

AM[/QUOTE]Thanks Angus for the explanations.

I am now thinking of King George based on recent good reviews. One more newbie question. At flatrate, do they charge extras for without condom, anal etc. What services are included in flatrate.

I will also try liberty, seems like both of these are close. Is this a safe area to walk around at night (say around 8-9PM, not too late).

Thanks again.

[QUOTE=Bobo.fr]
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2) KD's Lucy : "time out" for long time already; I wondered if she's back to her island. Nice meetings with her (see old posts (2008 ?) but in general my posts are very short); I think that Lucy is not a redheaded lady.
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[/QUOTE]
Wow !! I met her in 2007 already !!!
Here's a post :
[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=679679&postcount=761[/url]

Sorry, in general my posts are very short : I'm not a good "writer" (as Angus :-) )

[QUOTE=Lucknow]
I am now thinking of King George based on recent good reviews. One more newbie question. At flatrate, do they charge extras for without condom, anal etc. What services are included in flatrate.[/QUOTE]

Do you mean blow job without? I can not really say as I am not an expert on these types of clubs. But you may well be able to get bbbj and it will cost extra (20-30 euros?) Also anal would cost extra. And bare back sex-doubtful you could get this and I would be very careful if you ask. Unless you know the girl and have some sort of relationship/trust it would likely(or could) get you thrown out of the club. Not saying it is impossible but...

There are, not in Berlin as far as I know, clubs that offer bbfs in Germany. But you would have to go explore the partytref forum to find out this info.


[QUOTE=Lucknow]will also try liberty, seems like both of these are close. Is this a safe area to walk around at night (say around 8-9PM, not too late).
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As far as I see it-quite safe. The block where both Liberty & Caligula Club are located also houses a big cine complex called Big Sexy Land and a couple of massage places(not recommended BTW). It is also smack in the middle of Berlin's "Gay Ghetto". Thus there is plenty of foot traffic until quite late at night. If there are lots of people around (gay or not) I find this discourages the criminal element.

Berlin, in general, is a pretty safe city. If you are walking around in some of the eastern parts of the city late at night I would use caution. There are sometimes reports in the news of neo-nazi types rolling & beating up people who look different. But really, this is only of concern in the eastern area of Berlin. Schöneberg is quite safe as long as you are not stupid about it. That is, like in an city, getting pissed drunk and then stumbling about the streets late at night with your wallet hanging out-this could lead to trouble.

PS-If you do try Liberty I suggest not going too late. It closes at 22:00 and showing up at 21:00 you will likely find a very small selection. With this type of daytime brothel it is generally better to go late afternoon,early evening (no later than 20:00) to find the best selection. And you never know. If the place is super busy your selection might also be limited. Best always to have a couple of addresses in mind so if you do not find a lady you like at one, you can say no and go check the next address. This shopping around is perfectly acceptable here in Berlin.

[QUOTE=Bobo.fr]Sorry, in general my posts are very short : I'm not a good "writer" (as Angus :-) )[/QUOTE]

Bobo, please. They may be short but they contain all the info we need to know and you post. To me this is enough.

My posts are long because I enjoy writing. I like to give color & context. But I always feel my posts are as much about entertainment as information.