Pattaya Reports

[QUOTE=UncleVolodya;1886912]

When it come to pussy I am a terrible negotiator and have much to learn on that front.[/QUOTE]Yeah, I hear you, my fiend (haha, pun intended) !

But, I know why though!

As Mr. ENT was saying on the BKK boards, it's probably because you initially did not specify anything about you taking your clothes off! So, your girls then renegotiate with you afresh, saying that what they agreed to was based on her taking her clothes off. But, not you taking yours off !!! So, I think ya better start with Negotiations 101 buddy!!

And so, now we know why you stayyyyyy so horny my friend! LOL.

Seriously now, I think it's your smile and friendly demeanor. And, that you just want to, want to, go (or 'come' , as the case may be) right awayyyyyyyyy.

I dunno, but me thinks negotiation equals time patience, back and forth banter and willingness to walk away from A girl, or all girls, on a particular night. Among other things, ceteris paribus. But, YMMV.

P.S. (BTW what's the equivalent for LOL in Russia / Russian. Yeah, I know I'm setting a trap for myself with you on this question. But go ahead anyways.).

[QUOTE=OldNewGuy;1886939]I mongered in Phuket many years, practically always at Hollywood disco. I've never set foot in a bar, or go-go (of which there are very few anyway). Another friend of mine wouldn't even bother with the disco, he would find girls on Bangla road or other ways. I've never found the prices to be higher than in Pattaya, either for ladies or anything else. Sure some tried, e.g. the street food 100B a dish, but one would just have to move to the next stop. There even more than in Pattaya is vital to drive a scooter otherwise one will be pray of the bike / small taxi gouging. Right now the hotels have more aggressive Expedia promotions than in Pattaya. I don't go there anymore just as a matter of "personal choice", laziness if you will.[/QUOTE]I do not agree at all. I have been spending a lots of time in both Phuket and Pattaya during the past 3-4 years and consider everything to be a lot more expensive in Phuket. Just a few samples:

-Kebab at street stalls. Phuket: 100 baht. Pattaya: 60 baht.

-A regular beer in a beer bar. Phuket mostly 80-120 baht. Pattaya mostly 60-80 baht.

-A lady drink in a beer bar. Phuket: around 200 baht. Pattaya: around 120 baht.

-A standard drink in one of the most famous night clubs. Phuket: 250 baht. Pattaya: 120 baht. Four drinks in Phuket: 1000 baht. Four drinks in Pattaya: 480 baht.

-A standard drink in agogo. Phuket: around 200 baht. Pattaya: around 150 baht.

-Transportation. Minimum fare with a Phuket Tuk Tuk: 200 baht. 300 at night time if you want to ride home with a lady. Pattaya Songtaews: 20 baht. In night time with a lady: still 20 baht.

-Barfines. Phuket Bangla Road bars: Standard: 1500 baht. Range: 1000-1700. Pattaya WS bars: Standard 800. Range: 400-1000.

Conclusion: Lets say you have a kebab, two regular beers in a beer bar, you buy two lady drinks, one drink at a agogo, four drinks at a famous night club, goes back to the bar and takes another beer and a lady drink, barfines the lady in the bar and ride her home to your place.

Spending in Phuket: 4000 baht + payment to the lady (wich also use to be higher in Phuket).

Spending in Pattaya: 2100 baht + payment to the lady.

The night out in Phuket would be almost double as expensive as in Pattaya.

By the way: Hollywood is out. Almost no people there anymore. Instead a new place, Illuzion, is the number one place in Phuket. Illuzion is very far away from what Hollywood was. Hollywood was the perfect environment for FL pick ups. Illuzion comprises very much of huge VIP areas to which you have no access unless you buy at least one full bottle of spirits priced 4500 baht and upwards. Girls gets in to the VIP's and gets bottles for free if in a group of four ladies or more, or if they know the security guys.

[QUOTE=UncleVolodya;1886912]Did you ever make it to What's Up? I am curious to see if you guys were able to put your bargaining skills to good use there?

When it come to pussy I am a terrible negotiator and have much to learn on that front.[/QUOTE]Cool took me by there tonight. Here is my review from being in there for all of 2 minutes.

First of all I don't think the name is Whats Up. If I am not mistaken, it had a name on top of the sign and underneath that name it said "By: What's Up".

The place is loud as fuck. I could not even hear the girl trying to explain the prices to me. So negotiating was definitely a no go.

The drink menu did not have prices on it. Whenever that is the case prepare to bend over.

They have kindergarten seating. Miniature stools or benches that when you sit on them your knees touch your chest. At the prices they are trying to charge, each guy who enters should have his personal throne to sit in.

There were tons of women, and from what I could gather most if not all fit the Thailand model type. By that I mean they were white skinned and tall. Looked like they stepped off a billboard or out of a TV commercial.

If I ever pay this much for pussy I will not. From what I could gather over the ear shattering music there are 2 tiers of women. The low tier: Barfine 1500, Short time 3000, Long time 5000. The high tier: Barfine 3000, Short time could not hear, Long time wish I did not hear (10,000).

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1887227]The low tier: Barfine 1500, Short time 3000, Long time 5000. The high tier: Barfine 3000, Short time could not hear, Long time wish I did not hear (10,000).[/QUOTE]Holy crap. That's 13,000B all-in for the high-tier LT (excluding the take-it-up-the-ass drink prices). Yikes, that's catering to a crowd that I definitely do not fit into. Thanks for the report, Mr E.

Took Cool to 808 to show him what I have been saying on this thread for years about the discos.

I sat in my usual seat next to the door. Cool was standing behind me in the hall. As a chick passed I would grab them by the hand and flip them over to him and say my friend likes you. He would then start a conversation with them.

I got enough of that. He was doing it with one chick and she started to walk away. I said no man fuck that. Do it like this. I told the girl let's go. She said where. I said to my room and fuck. She said are you serious. I said yes. She said how much. I said how much you want. She said 2000. I said no 1000. She said 2000. I said no thank you.

Another girl came by and it was the same deal. She wanted 2000. A third girl came by and wanted 2000 as well. I told her no. 1000. She stuck to 2000. I said okay 1200. She said 1500. Just come up 300. I told her just go down 300.

She said this is my first time here. I am new. I said that is exactly why you are getting 1200. If it was not your first time then you would be getting 1000. I slung her over to Cool and said okay man she is going with you for 1200. He said how much time will she stay? I said man you are asking too questions. Until tomorrow. The girl asked where his hotel was and they were out of there. No drinks. No interviewing. None of that shit. But I think I did hear him ask her name as they walked out. I can't wait to see how it turns out for him.

This is excerpted from a much longer report I wrote on 12-20-15 entitled "The Incidents" (about discriminatory door policies in Thailand):

At What's Up on Soi 15 in Pattaya, I was denied admission altogether with no "option" of purchasing a "membership". I went to a place right across the street where their doormen had witnessed what had just happened. They were extra courteous and welcomed me in. When I left, again extra courtesy and giving me back slaps knowing that I had been treated with great disrespect across the street.

But here's the pisser about What's Up. So, I take Soi 15 back up to Walking Street and there are two barkers or touts there for What's Up. They have signs and they stop me and encourage me to go check the place out, obviously not knowing what happened before! Unbelievable! I explained to the two guys how I had been denied admission and was told "members only" and all that bullshit.

They understood, and then stood there looking a bit dumbfounded and incredulous. I looked back down Soi 15 towards What's Up, put two birds (middle fingers) up into the air and yelled, "Yeah, What's Up? What's Up? Fuck you!" I did it again, and then me and the two guys had a laugh about it. And then I moved on. Evidently, What's Up's racist door policy hasn't been disseminated all the way down to the rank and file working the streets.

Mr. E is a great guy! He showed me the ropes. Of course I'm virtually hopeless. Sex was great but after 30 minutes. And a busted nut the girl was a runner. I knew it was a red flag when she asked for money upfront. Definite no repeat. She had nice plump breasts. 2 kids. See-scar. About 5'7" claims to be 24 yo. No big deal because it is $24 cheaper than a soapie and in the comfort of my room. I ran into an old mutual friend and had a great time with the guys. While chilling at the market I went to restroom and 2 minutes. Upon my return there were two 23 year olds exchanging line with me. Me and Mr. E is polar opposites because he has game.

Whats Up Go Go!

I showed him Whats Up. The bar was packed and I saw 1 stunner. But they charge first world prices for beer 215 bht ($6 usd). Very unthailandan and perfect for tourists and Asians with money to burn.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1887235]Took Cool to 808 to show him what I have been saying on this thread for years about the discos.

I sat in my usual seat next to the door. Cool was standing behind me in the hall. As a chick passed I would grab them by the hand and flip them over to him and say my friend likes you. He would then start a conversation with them.

I got enough of that. He was doing it with one chick and she started to walk away. I said no man fuck that. Do it like this. I told the girl let's go. She said where. I said to my room and fuck. She said are you serious. I said yes. She said how much. I said how much you want. She said 2000. I said no 1000. She said 2000. I said no thank you..[/QUOTE]

So many stories from today, but let me tell one more before I fall asleep next to my new girl. We left Whats Up and went to Angel Witch. It was my navy and college buddy's last few hours so we had to make them count. He went in and immediately had 3 chicks. He ended up passing one off to Cool after he did Buddha knows what to her. I was chillin with my girl and just rubbing on her pussy. I had bought her a lady drink.

I told the mamasan that I wanted to fuck her though. She said she had only been working there 3 months I think. She told me to buy her a drink but I told her that she could drink in my room when she got there. She said they close the club at 3. I said okay I will see you at 3:15. She said no. I said okay 3:20 then. She said no. I said well just give me your phone number and you can call me when you are on the way. So of course Line pops up and I say Hi, so she would be sure to have my ID. All the fun was on me and I think I paid 1300 baht for our tab. It seemed my buddy had a secondary bill though and I have no idea what that came to. Probably no more than a couple hundred baht. I think lady drinks were 175 or something. The time was 12:50.

Fast forward and I left 808 at 3:35 and picked my new girl up on Soi Yensabai before continuing home. At the corner of 3rd Road I saw 2 chicks with Angel Witch shirts on their bikes headed home. As soon as I got in my door I got a message from the mamasan saying she finished work and needed my address. I told her that I was already sleeping and would catch her tomorrow.

You da man, Mr. ENT! U Be Da Man!

Regretting that I missed you when I was there! But so glad you were there to help these other guys.

You are one cool dude! Love ya man!

Oh yeah, and Uncle V needs you too. Next time! Poor man needs some lessons in International Relations 101, specifically: Negotiiations for Horny Uncles.

And, I need help for the doomed! Maybe Angel Witches ? Angel Bi(t)ches will do as well.....

[QUOTE=Kumbu;1887229]Holy crap. That's 13,000B all-in for the high-tier LT (excluding the take-it-up-the-ass drink prices). Yikes, that's catering to a crowd that I definitely do not fit into. Thanks for the report, Mr E.[/QUOTE]Yeah, makes you wonder how much of that is fixed share for the protection racket in Pattaya.

Who knows? Buy maybe, just maybe 3,000 of that for the protection racket mafia, 3,000 for rent, staff, utilities, cost of drink supplies, and other overhead, 3,000 for the go go girl, and 4,000 profit/ return for the go go owner/operator for capital deployed, management and the many inherent risks in the business.

I'm thinking now compared to FL's who are not dealing with house overhead of rent, staff, utilities, profit / return for the house opeartor / owner. Besides any protection racket payoff / share.

And, after that is done, of what's left I'm guessing there is another split between the girl and the Mamasan, even if just 90-10. So, of the 13,000 Baht (for any of those suckers paying that) , I would be very surprised if the girl actually ends up with more than 2,500 -3000 Baht for a LT. Of course, they make lots more during the night from any other Lady Drinks they get other guys to buy them. Who don't end up bar fining them.

So, if you compare these model lookers vs. Other FL's (at Ibar, Insomnia or 808), it's kinda easy to understand the net take of the Top Model- Like Go Go girls, vs. The LT 2,000 baht for a quality looking FL, at such discos, who don't have to do the Go Go dancing or hustle guys for lady drinks. And, the FL's get to enjoy their time in the disco on their own, or with a friend (s), dance, enjoy the ambiance etc.

There's something to be said for the FL independent operators, IMO.

Besides, I venture to guess that at least some of the model looking Go Go girls may have a Thai BF they are also supporting to some extent, and who are keeping a tight leash on them for the Go Go owner and the protection racket guys. Just a guess here.....

I think there's a lot there to unpack that doesn't quite meet the eye.

This is the 100th girl on whom I write a lay report. Once you reach triple digits, you just don't see the world with the same eyes.

I started the night at Happy-A-Go-Go because I always need a warm-up bar to get me into the mood, and they have a nice atmosphere with very lively girls, some showing tits. But sadly not much in the way of lookers.

After one beer, I called it quits and moved to Skyfall, where I knew there would be some eye candy. I was not disappointed. As soon as I sat down, some skinny chick with a see-through fishnet top sat next to me and tried to angle for a lady drink. Normally I don't like to be harpooned within the first 15 seconds, but she was cute, I was horny, and if you don't bend your own rules on Walking Street, where will you bend them? She went for the old "I've got to go dance now" trick, but given she hadn't touched her glass, she was bound to come back after her stint around the chrome pole, which she dutifully did.

Her name was Ooi. She was from Bangkok. She said it was her first day of work at Skyfall. She looked a bit inexperienced, so maybe she'd just got dumped by her boyfriend and was testing the waters to see if prostitution was a good career move. She did give off the vibe of the virgin working girl, not virgin in the technical sense obviously, but relatively unjaded and even slightly nervous at the unexpected. Fortunately for her, she was in good experienced hands, mine.

She asked for 2500ST, which I negotiated down to 2000, not that I really cared, but out of principle. We jumped to Oasis short-time motel, showered, and snuck under the bed sheets. She was actually really good. I spent quite some time warming her up, and at some point she was good to go, so I started fucking her, slowly at first, but then with more abandon. It was very much like fucking a girlfriend or a freelancer from the Ibar. She couldn't do the reverse cowgirl, another sign of inexperience. At the end I had trouble cumming, as usual, so I concentrated on getting her off instead with some deft dick strokes. Obviously I failed, but at least I got her well warmed up, which in turn worked me up enough to get me off. A glorious conclusion to a nice, two-beer night out in Pattaya.

Would I recommend? Absolutely. She's fresh off the boat, and you don't see that every day. Would I repeat? No, because I took too long to come, so now I have a bad reputation as a hard-to-please customer. But all in all, she was definitely worthy of having been my 100th hooker.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1887227]Cool took me by there tonight. Here is my review from being in there for all of 2 minutes.[/QUOTE]I've said it more than once on this board -- that place caters to the tourist suckers.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1887227]

There were tons of women, and from what I could gather most if not all fit the Thailand model type. By that I mean they were white skinned and tall. Looked like they stepped off a billboard or out of a TV commercial.

If I ever pay this much for pussy I will not. From what I could gather over the ear shattering music there are 2 tiers of women. The low tier: Barfine 1500, Short time 3000, Long time 5000. The high tier: Barfine 3000, Short time could not hear, Long time wish I did not hear (10,000).[/QUOTE]The last time I was in What's Up I saw 4 or 5 girls that I considered top quality, ie young, fit, real friendly, and beautiful. The rest of the girls were more or less Walking Street Go Go quality except with a particular What's Up look about them (makeup, hair, costumes). I did not pay much attention to them, only the stunners.

I have said it many times: What's Up is a Go Go you either hate to love or love to hate. There seems to be no middle ground on this. Now I am in the hate to love group because I like really pretty Thai girls, but I hate the pricing (double tier barfines ect). That said, I never paid more than 4000 bt for my What's Up girls and I do agree that !0,000 bt for LT is an outrageous sum, but I also must add that the big fee is not relevant unless you are in a big hurry and can't let things run their natural course.

The reason I say this is twofold and simple. 1st, I never take a new Go Go girl LT until I get to know her and she has shown me a great time at least a couple of times. 2nd, after I have been with a Go Go girl a few times and we have a good relationship going, the LT fee is no longer relevant. The good ones and I mean the ones I repeat with, stay for 4 or 5 hours minimum anyway without my asking. Yeah, even those girls that "look like they stepped off a billboard or out of a TV commercial. " give me the GFE or I don't bother to see them again.

For example; take Nut, my all time favorite What's Up Girl. Nut is a stunner and she has a distinctive look. I still remember that first night I walked into her bar and saw her dancing on the stage. I wanted her the second I saw her. Usually I take my time and think about the girl and compare her to others, but not when I saw her. Anyway, after we got to know each other, I used to make dates with Nut whenever I wanted to see her. She would then wait for me to stop by the bar a little before midnight. I would buy her one lady drink and one for her cousin and then she would go to change. Then after midnight when the barfine dropped down to 1000 bt we would split. She usually stayed until morning unless she had something to do, but in any case I always gave her the same 4000 bt. Once a month she would come up to BKK to see her kid who lived in the city with her mother. We would get together in BKK on those occasions as well and she would spend the night.

Let me add that Nut is a wild one in bed once her clit is orally stimulated properly. 555. She got engaged to a British guy in late 2012 and lived in Birmingham for a while so I lost track of her for a couple of years. Then I ran into her again last year in September 2015. It was great seeing her again. We shacked up for 6 nights. So bottom line for me is I hate to love What's Up, but I really like it because it's all about the girls and I like really attractive Asian girls! I know of no other bar that has this high girl quality except a few Gentlemen's Clubs in BKK and the G-Clubs are where you will really spend large.

[QUOTE=ALion2;1887210]I do not agree at all.
-A regular beer in a beer bar. Phuket mostly 80-120 baht. Pattaya mostly 60-80 baht.
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[/QUOTE]I had specified clearly: I have never spent a penny on any of the above exploiting setups. Not in Phuket, not in Pattaya, not in Bangkok. My regular cost of living plus gifts given to girls was the same than here. I was also making 1K offers and sometime these worked. Caveat emptor.

[QUOTE]By the way: Hollywood is out. Almost no people there anymore. Instead a new place, Illuzion, is the number one place in Phuket. Illuzion is very far away from what Hollywood was. Hollywood was the perfect environment for FL pick ups.[/QUOTE]Yes I've heard that, it sucks. Buddhism teaches: "everything changes". We can just move on.

[QUOTE=OldNewGuy;1887327]I had specified clearly: I have never spent a penny on any of the above exploiting setups. Not in Phuket, not in Pattaya, not in Bangkok. Caveat emptor.

Yes I've heard that, it sucks. Buddhism teaches: "everything changes". We can just move on.[/QUOTE]Right! And more mongers need to do that. Move on. We are always reading about mongers complaining how things have changed, and they are not to their liking, and the conclusion is that the location is not as good as it once was. They blame the problem on the situation, but I think the problem is with the mongers, who can't move on. They seem stuck in the same habit and they keep expecting the same results. Problem is that they are chasing their past. Same thing on the other forums: Sosua, Colombia, the German FKK thread. Mongers complain about the places not being like they remember them, and they complain of dissatisfaction and disappointment. I think they would avoid this disappointment if they could just try something different.

I don't mean to brag, but this past year, since my divorce last June has been a great year. I went to Berlin (my first visit to Europe in over a decade) and had some great mongering experiences in Berlin, as well as reconnecting with an old friend. Last month, I went to Medellin and had a great time there. Honestly, I would love to visit these places again. Medellin in particular is inexpensive to fly to (thanks to Spirit Airlines), it isn't a long journey and the mongering costs are dirt cheap. But, I think I would benefit from trying something new. As I mentioned earlier, I visited an old friend in Berlin. I asked if I could come back for a visit soon. He said "Sure, but you should really visit Asia first. " I didn't argue with him. So I am planning a trip to the LOS in the fall. I have little doubt I will have a blast. So what if some mongers don't like what it is now. What impact will that have on my visit? None! It will all be new to me. That said, all of you Thailand enthusiasts might consider a different continent with a different language. The Dominican Republic, Peru or maybe even Brazil (their currency has seriously devalued in recent years). Keep trying new things and you won't be too disappointed.