Jakarta

[QUOTE=MohdirFan82;2977810]Alomost all girls at Classic are there for money, Indon have genetically built in ability to feel victom. Girls look to work at classic cause its easy money, So she made easy money by making you feel victom of trauma. Brothels are not the place to feel bad for girls, you are their to have good time. You paid for sex instead you turned into nice guy.

I bet after making you fool she called her favorite client and fuck the hell of him or her boyfriend.

No one is holding girls hostage, or at gun point to work here. Next time, take girl first for short time, and get your deed done and start a fling with girl if she provided great service.[/QUOTE]You're so deeply wrong, and lack any semblance of empathy. Working girls at places like Classic or Travel have had hard lives, might be in debt, and therefore make the faustian bargain of working the job they do. I can't stand those rude, gnarly, pushy mamasans for 10 minutes, and the girls have to endure them riding their ass for months. Preman (gangster) types running those venues are not pleasant employers who respect their workers.

Indonesia is not Pattaya. Society deeply disapproves of what they do, and Indonesians do care what others think. These are not the carefree Thai girls who make a quick buck for a while, don't feel bad about it, and then go on with their lives, maybe dabble again when money is short. They're deep outcasts.

As for "no one is holding girls hostage", I have my doubts. Obviously, I have no solid proof, but given the attitudes compared to many other types of working girls across SE Asia, I suspect not all are willingly there. There are shades and degrees of coercion. While they are obviously not literally held at gunpoint, there might be "debt" (real or invented) involved, and some real threats.

[QUOTE=JonesLover;2978803]First of all, thank you for your kind reply. However, I understand that you have never been to the Philippines. In the Philippines, but not only there, you can go with all the regular girls you want, but they all expect some money when you leave. Since I do not know Indonesia, for this reason I had asked this question that you find weird. However, your answer leaves me a bit perplexed. Beyond all, I am not young.[/QUOTE]I visited the Philippines for some training about four times during a period of two years while living in Thailand, though only for a couple of weeks at a time, so hardly an expert.

Except for hookers in some shape or form, no girl there expected any money from me however, so I don't think there's anything special about the pinay darlings in that regard.
Didn't really feel I could go with all the regular girls I wanted either, even though I was still relatively young and handsome at the time. Go with any hooker I wanted? Yeah, maybe.

[QUOTE=Sychip1;2978817]Logically that's sound but perhaps you'd need some luck to find someone like that to be willing to spend time continuously and that's rather a low rate IMO. Because just playing devils advocate a girl even from Lokasiri would be 350-400 k per 45-60 minutes. To take out from Classic for example would be far more than their rate onsite for one session like 2 or 3 x from other bros reports.

Just from dating multiple girls in Jakarta over the past few months and chatting to dozens more I rarely found anyone who wasn't working full time. Students would be working part time. Many of them take their job very seriously as they well might.

SA might be your best bet, I'm not an expert on this as I use the dating apps but from other bros reports it's 1. 5-2 m for the night or more.[/QUOTE]

LOL. I agree completely. The chance is almost nonexistent that the OP will manage to find a normal girl who will want to stay with him like that during a short visit. A paid hooker / holiday-GF is the only possibility I can see for the OP.

Afaik, the Classic girls themselves only get around 100k per session, even though we pay three-four times that. So 1M is 10 sessions per day for them, and 10M would be a 100 sessions. I'm sure many of them would be overjoyed to spend 10 days and nights in OP's cave for 10M, presumably with much nicer food and company than they otherwise would get from getting banged by 100 different weirdos. Unfortunately I don't think the girls can simply take 10 days off, so that's not possible without going through the Classic setup, which would 10 x the cost, minus whatever discount you can get for taking her for 10 days rather than just one night.

If SA girls are asking for 1. 5-2M per night, 10M for 10 nights straight also seems realistic to me, especially as I doubt they have customers every night, or even most nights.

[QUOTE=LoveItHere69;2978758]You need to RTTF. Jakarta traffic is horrible. Why on earth would you stay near the airport when your plane arrives late when you could zip down the streets with little traffic. But instead you want to wait until the next day when the streets are packed to get to your real desired location. Good idea![/QUOTE]I've been reading the forum and I know traffic is horrible. It doesn't take the forum to understand the traffic situation in a city the size of Jakarta. Did you have some information to share, or were you looking for an argument?

"My desired location" happens to be near the airport. After 24 hours travel, I want a quick shower and maybe some convenient fun. Right now, I'm planning on flying right back out to do some diving, making Tangerang a better idea. If nobody has checked out the large number of spots all bunched together there, maybe I'll have some useful intel.

Coming back to Jakarta, I'll probably use the other airport, which is convenient to Cikarang and Bekasi. If I fly out of there (airport code HLP) and back to CGK after my last island hop, I can avoid almost all of the Jakarta traffic although I might miss out on the small number of places which get frequently reviewed.

So, if anyone has some useful intel on Tangerang or Cikarang (although Zippos did a great job covering the latter) send it my way. I'm also open for any favorite "other areas" you can recommend.

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;2978916] ...girls at places like Classic or Travel have had hard lives, might be in debt, and therefore make the faustian bargain of working the job they do. I can't stand those rude, gnarly, pushy mamasans for 10 minutes, and the girls have to endure them riding their ass for months. Preman (gangster) types running those venues are not pleasant employers who respect their workers.
[/QUOTE]Do you have more information who owned Classic and Travel? I was thinking there were some politicians, senior army officer, or even Chinese businessman, not sure locals criminals gangs or mafia can rivalise with them.

But in other way the barrier is thin between those categories.

I think girls are better treat in Classic and Travel than streets hookers in Europe, but have less liberty than in Pattaya girls bar.

Have you ever stayed in Classic or Travel till the End of the day? I have, if you stand outside when the establishment closes you will notice some girls are picked up by their brothers, boyfriends, some use gojek and some stay in classic itself with pimp or have their own rooms. In Jakarta, majority of brothels are not like Singapore, Malaysia, Hong Kong or Taiwan where girls are not hostage, they are working in these establishments for whatever reason that I don't really care.

I go to brothels to pay and get service, I am not there to save a Hoe, listen to their pathatic stories, find a wife, girlfriend be a hero. When I choose a girl at classic, I tell her in advance what I want, what kind of service I am looking for and I don't take any bullshit and if they pull any bullshit in the room I stop, ran to mama and complain.

I also do listen to their stories and bullshit After the service provided, and sometimes I reward them with nice tip. I have tipped up to 500,000 to few for them for going above and beyond my expectations.

Go ahead and be hoe saver and a nice guy, you will always get run over, and ruin your day.

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;2978916]You're so deeply wrong, and lack any semblance of empathy. Working girls at places like Classic or Travel have had hard lives, might be in debt, and therefore make the faustian bargain of working the job they do. I can't stand those rude, gnarly, pushy mamasans for 10 minutes, and the girls have to endure them riding their ass for months. Preman (gangster) types running those venues are not pleasant employers who respect their workers.

Indonesia is not Pattaya. Society deeply disapproves of what they do, and Indonesians do care what others think. These are not the carefree Thai girls who make a quick buck for a while, don't feel bad about it, and then go on with their lives, maybe dabble again when money is short. They're deep outcasts.

As for "no one is holding girls hostage", I have my doubts. Obviously, I have no solid proof, but given the attitudes compared to many other types of working girls across SE Asia, I suspect not all are willingly there. There are shades and degrees of coercion. While they are obviously not literally held at gunpoint, there might be "debt" (real or invented) involved, and some real threats.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2978467]After much internal debate, I've decided on and booked a trip to Jakarta, mid April. My arrival will be somewhat late, so I've decided on the first night in south Tangerang (hoping on a quicker trip from the airport)..[/QUOTE]You never been there. And your assumption is based on what info?

Going by taxi to a reasonable hotel (if any) in Tangerang takes you 15--20 minutes.

Going to the Lokasari area with many hotels to select from takes you 30 minutes.

If you travel under that stress to gain 15 minutes -- you do not now how to enjoy the life: relax and stay in an area where you get plenty of entertainment.

If this has been covered before, sorry for the intrusion. It's probably only of interest to the guys who like to explore outside the box.

As I'm trying to learn as much as possible, I've found many, old Kaskus threads, especially on Zanny's map. Some of posts linked are several years old, which isn't much help to anyone. If you scroll down you'll find a page list, similar to the one here. Hit the double right arrow to go to the most recent page and you can check the dates to see if it's still an active location.

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;2978916]You're so deeply wrong, and lack any semblance of empathy. [/QUOTE]DEI is dead move on no one cares about "feelings" merit based everything.

Guys, does it really matter if a forum member wants to book into a hotel closer to the airport rather than taxi straight into the city after 24 hours travelling? I believe the original question was whether there was any fun to be had in that area. And it takes far longer to get to say Lokasiri than 30 minutes, just a cursory search on google right now, which isn't rush hour timing is stating 54 minutes from the airport pickup point. And we are talking about just the 1st night where that OP is arriving late.

Today I woke up with mild flue symptoms, no doubt caused by the icy airconditioning in taxis, brothels, restaurants and hotel lobbies. Despite feeling under the weather I still managed to have a fullfilling session thanks to the skills and sexyness of Karin at Emporium. I strongly recommend this girl if you like a full bush between a woman's legs and a super tight pussy. She is also a great actor for a porn star experience.

Whenever you have the choice between tipping the girl in the room (in cash) and tipping on the invoice to be settled at front desk, do the former because if you do the latter the House will take a cut on the tip.

Yesterday the girl I sessioned at Classic's told me barfining a girl for the night at Classic's will set you back 3 million. Not really worth it unless you really fancy a girl. This figure also provides a basis for estimating a girl's typical number of customers.

[QUOTE=XXL;2979317]Whenever you have the choice between tipping the girl in the room (in cash) and tipping on the invoice to be settled at front desk, do the former because if you do the latter the House will take a cut on the tip.[/QUOTE]The only reason to give a tip on a final bill is because you have no cash at all and must pay 100% by credit or debit card. Everyone should know that already. Everyone should bring enough cash for tips in any situation (waitress, hotel staff, etc).

[QUOTE=Amadeuss;2979195]You never been there. And your assumption is based on what info?

Going by taxi to a reasonable hotel (if any) in Tangerang takes you 15--20 minutes.

Going to the Lokasari area with many hotels to select from takes you 30 minutes.

If you travel under that stress to gain 15 minutes -- you do not now how to enjoy the life: relax and stay in an area where you get plenty of entertainment.[/QUOTE]What assumption? I made a statement of intent then asked a question.

There are several spas in the area I'm looking at and plenty of hotels, running from $10-$15 per night at an OYO and up to a 5 star, well reviewed JHL hotel for $73 and up. Information is easy to find.

Between Google Maps and Kaskus, it's not difficult to find locations for my interests. However, Google reviews aren't full of details. That's where ISG used to be a great source. All you had to do was ask a simple question and someone would either answer, or give an alternate, relative suggestion. Here's an example:

I've read Zippos report on Orchid Spa in Tangerang. I noticed several other spas in the area. Does anyone have any information on them?

Possible responses:

1. I haven't been there, but I've heard good things about El Casa and Dice spas, which are in the area.

2. My preference is Loksari. Here are some of my favorite places:

Either one adds useful information, not just to the OP, but for anyone else considering a visit.

Sadly, the responses tend towards insults with no relative information. The insults don't bother me, and I've learned to expect the majority of responses to be useless. However, new members are discouraged from asking their questions, and often will drop their travel plans. Perhaps you can take that into consideration in the future.

In the interest of sharing and gathering information, here is a partial list of options in Tangerang. All are searchable by name on Google Maps and Kaskus, with recent posts:

1. Fee Massage Alam Sutera.

2. Orchid Massage Alam Sutera.

3. Lunatic Massage Alam Sutera.

4. Blow Art Alam Sutera.

5. Cheese Massage BSD.

6. Orchid Spa BSD.

7. Mahjhong Massage.

8. Alaska Massage (last post in November).

9. Romeo 2 Health Massage.

10. Mochi Massage and Lounge BSD.

11. Dragon Shiatsu and Traditional Massage.

12. El Casa Massage and Lounge.

13. De Bale BSD.

14. Dice Men's Healthy Massage.

15. WS Massage and Bar.

Other than names, I have no info on these places, except they appear to be still open. There are a few areas where several places are grouped together, although some I didn't list have no current reviews. A quick glance at prices shows they fall within normal ranges, average might be slightly higher than Classic.

Any reports would be greatly appreciated.

[QUOTE=Sychip1;2979303]Guys, does it really matter if a forum member wants to book into a hotel closer to the airport rather than taxi straight into the city after 24 hours travelling? I believe the original question was whether there was any fun to be had in that area. And it takes far longer to get to say Lokasiri than 30 minutes, just a cursory search on google right now, which isn't rush hour timing is stating 54 minutes from the airport pickup point. And we are talking about just the 1st night where that OP is arriving late.[/QUOTE]Midnight, travel time isn't a big difference, although I hope to be in my hotel by 9:30. However, since my first night is just a refresher before a short island hop, the morning traffic back from Loksari could easily add an hour or more.

There is much more to the Jakarta area than just Loksari. I know exactly what to expect at the handful of places that get reviewed. It's convenient and easy, but there's no real thrill. I'd rather get turned down in 5 places that get 3 bules per year, before finding a gem who is somewhat interested in the activities. Why travel halfway around the world to eat at McDonald's, sleep at Holiday Inn and fuck in the same spot as every other visitor?

[QUOTE=LoveItHere69;2979355]The only reason to give a tip on a final bill is because you have no cash at all and must pay 100% by credit or debit card. Everyone should know that already. Everyone should bring enough cash for tips in any situation (waitress, hotel staff, etc).[/QUOTE]I've still got so many things to learn then since everyone should know things I didn't. I wasn't overly surprised when the girl told me, but, silly me, I'd have thought management wouldn't be be so mean as to scrounge on girl's tips.