Jakarta

[QUOTE=Safado70;2979825]I was with this 19 why / o at Kota Indah today who was such a bad performer that I stopped the session and just asked her to cuddle. Call me a sucker, but I truly believe that she didn't do it on purpose, it was lack of experience and my (medium size) dick seemed to hurt her. This is why I didn't complain, tried to hide my disappointment and just told her that I was tired. But she realized that it was because of her, became worried and insisted on suggestions how she could improve her performance. Out of her many problems I picked the topic of how to arch in doggy. She didn't really grasp the problem. In the end I took photos of her in the right and the wrong position. Once she saw the pictures, she finally understood. I hope she remembers the insight she gained today.[/QUOTE]Very nice pussy and asshole in the second photo!

Which establishment at Kota Indah?

[QUOTE=Safado70;2979825]I was with this 19 why / o at Kota Indah today who was such a bad performer that I stopped the session and just asked her to cuddle. Call me a sucker, but I truly believe that she didn't do it on purpose, it was lack of experience and my (medium size) dick seemed to hurt her. This is why I didn't complain, tried to hide my disappointment and just told her that I was tired. But she realized that it was because of her, became worried and insisted on suggestions how she could improve her performance. Out of her many problems I picked the topic of how to arch in doggy. She didn't really grasp the problem. In the end I took photos of her in the right and the wrong position. Once she saw the pictures, she finally understood. I hope she remembers the insight she gained today.[/QUOTE]Ah-ah!

Indeed I also think most of those girls don't know any better. Kota Indah girls may on average be even worse than Classic girls in that respect. Note that if a girl doesn't arch properly she is not going to get properly stimulated either. It's a sure sign she isn't going to really be "into it".

Talking of Kota Indah, I don't remember rooms there having mirrors. That's a minus point compared to Classic. All rooms I've had at Classic's had a mirror alongside the bed.

[QUOTE=Gabacho;2979827]Very nice pussy and asshole in the second photo!

Which establishment at Kota Indah?[/QUOTE]Sari Ayu. They have the biggest lineup at the moment.

[QUOTE=Safado70;2979896]Sari Ayu. They have the biggest lineup at the moment.[/QUOTE]The line-up I found at Royal was puny compared to Sari Ayu's. I thought this was owing to my being too early (4 pm).

[QUOTE=Safado70;2979896]Sari Ayu. They have the biggest lineup at the moment.[/QUOTE]I went there one night and there was a girl there I really liked I think her name was vanilla LOL she had on a white dress. I ended up pulling from Starmoon tho and had a bad experience from there so I just started sticking to classic.

I'll try Sari Ayu when I get back tho. I just bought my flight today for in May.

-Gabacho.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2979506]Point, counterpoint:

For someone who collects IHG points, and spends a lot of time in hotels, Holiday Inn is a good choice, plus you know what you're getting. No argument there. However, I've had some interesting experiences in little, locally owned hotels, or even in a country's own luxury chain.

The spots that attract lots of mongers tend to be easier to handle. Many mongers want a solid routine, in a place where they feel comfortable. If it's a low cost option, even better. My mood changes. At times I want to slum it, roll into the lowest dive I can find and search for a diamond. Other times I want to get dressed up and spend some money. I like rolling into a spa not knowing if it's legit. If the girl is hot, I'll find out if she's corruptable.

I've added Hatch green Chiles to my Big Mac in Albuquerque. I'd rather sit down in a family run place and learn about the food.[/QUOTE]Good points!

Today I walked out of a session at Classic's. I should have seen it coming for it was a girl brought to me by mamasan. Usually the mamasans bring me girls who are so remote from what I'm looking for that there's no risk of my taking the girl to the room. This time alas the girl brought to me was my type.

She started going on my nerves with the toilet paper & Listerine. She took ages. She scrubbed my cock for a while then stared at it, then scrubbed again, then stared... She looked disappointed that my cock didn't dissolve under the Listerine. When I explained to her what 69 ("enam sembilan") was she didn't take long to grasp but then she went "tidak boleh" (= "not allowed"). I ended the session there and then, paid my bill and ordered a Gojek to Emporium.

Emporium didn't disappoint. I am not at all into kissing and girlfriendliness is not essential for me, but if you are into kissing and if you like the girlfriendlier type, I warmy recommend Silvi (or Silvie?). I didn't test her English but she told me her English was good because she had a degree.

Comparing Classic to Emporium, a pattern seems to emerge.

1) Emporium doesn't have more lookers even if it has more tallish girls.
2) Emporium girls are skilled providers who will not say no to basic services like doggystyle and sixty-nine (I didn't test any of them for anal but I wouldn't be surprised if anal too was Ok.).
3) Emporium customers are spared the irritating Listerine ritual.

[QUOTE=XXL;2979957]She started going on my nerves with the toilet paper & Listerine. She took ages. She scrubbed my cock for a while then stared at it, then scrubbed again, then stared... She looked disappointed that my cock didn't dissolve under the Listerine. When I explained to her what 69 ("enam sembilan") was she didn't take long to grasp but then she went "tidak boleh" (= "not allowed"). I ended the session there and then, paid my bill and ordered a Gojek to Emporium.[/QUOTE]I hate when the girls try to waste time by using Listerine on my meat after I just took a shower. I agree with you. But 69 is not a normal request for most women in most countries that I am aware of. So it was your fault for not asking her for that before taking her. Something like that I would ask the mami which girls were most likely to offer that and still ask the girl. Now if she denied you doggie or getting on top position I would have made it a point to complain to the mami because not doing so just teaches the girl to piss off the customer so she does not have to do anything.

Thanks Mr W for the awesome advise.

Would you recommend certain areas in Jakarta to have these prices, or just Lokasi?

Victor.

[QUOTE=Werqweq;2972310]Good summary. I suspect what helps keep the prices good is indeed that we are fishing in the same pool as the locals, unlike e.g. Thailand. Once that changes I suspect it will be goodbye Jakarta for many of us.

After my first trip I asked whether I was overtipping or not, without getting any clear answers here, but on my second trip I think I've got a better understanding of things as far as Classic and similar lower priced places are concerned. Others here have visited many more times than me and may provide corrections, but I think the following guidelines are ok based on the responses I received from the girls.
Should put you in the "ok guy" category at Classic. Neither notably overpaying nor underpaying, which is where I aim to be.

- Nothing special, no tip. I never had this happen I think. Even the one girl who insisted on condom did something else to receive an extra tip. Also, while I now prefer BBFS, for most of my life I always used condoms outside ongoing relationships, after std testing for us both together, so I'm trying to not feel negative towards a girl who wants to be more careful about her health with a stranger she has no idea of whether even has HIV or not..[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=XXL;2979957]When I explained to her what 69 ("enam sembilan") was she didn't take long to grasp but then she went "tidak boleh" (= "not allowed"). I ended the session there and then, paid my bill and ordered a Gojek to Emporium.

Emporium didn't disappoint. I am not at all into kissing and girlfriendliness is not essential for me, but if you are into kissing and if you like the girlfriendlier type, I warmy recommend Silvi (or Silvie?). I didn't test her English but she told me her English was good because she had a degree.

Comparing Classic to Emporium, a pattern seems to emerge.

1) Emporium doesn't have more lookers even if it has more tallish girls.
2) Emporium girls are skilled providers who will not say no to basic services like doggystyle and sixty-nine (I didn't test any of them for anal but I wouldn't be surprised if anal too was Ok.).[/QUOTE]Except the word sixty-nine isn't Enam Sembilan, whenever you add a zero onto the end of a number (for example adding 0 to 2 to make 20) you have to add the word "puluh" you can see this on the money written on the bottom of the bills. So Enam is 6 but 60 is Enam Puluh. Sembilan is 9 so to say 69 correctly it would need to be "Enam Puluh Sembilan".

But more important than saying 69 correctly, I think that phrases or idioms in one language do not necessarily translate into the same meaning in another language. Just how doggy style or estilo perrito is not understood in Colombia, they say "en los cuatro" so even had you said 69 correctly, odds are she wouldn't know why this bule is saying 69 and that you wanted her to suck your cock while eating her pussy.

They probably have an entirely different phrase to convey this sexual act and this is a prime example of why mongers should invest a little time and effort into learning at least some basics of the language, if you have been able to convey your thoughts message, the session may have not been bust.

[QUOTE=XXL;2979957]Today I walked out of a session at Classic's. I should have seen it coming for it was a girl brought to me by mamasan. Usually the mamasans bring me girls who are so remote from what I'm looking for that there's no risk of my taking the girl to the room. This time alas the girl brought to me was my type.

She started going on my nerves with the toilet paper & Listerine. She took ages. She scrubbed my cock for a while then stared at it, then scrubbed again, then stared... She looked disappointed that my cock didn't dissolve under the Listerine. When I explained to her what 69 ("enam sembilan") was she didn't take long to grasp but then she went "tidak boleh" (= "not allowed"). I ended the session there and then, paid my bill and ordered a Gojek to Emporium.

Emporium didn't disappoint. I am not at all into kissing and girlfriendliness is not essential for me, but if you are into kissing and if you like the girlfriendlier type, I warmy recommend Silvi (or Silvie?). I didn't test her English but she told me her English was good because she had a degree.[/QUOTE]Oh wait I see that you said she did understand and said not allowed. I would have just switched to another girl within classic, would have been a hell of a lot cheaper than emporium.

[QUOTE=Gabacho;2980015]Except the word sixty-nine isn't Enam Sembilan, whenever you add a zero onto the end of a number (for example adding 0 to 2 to make 20) you have to add the word "puluh" you can see this on the money written on the bottom of the bills. So Enam is 6 but 60 is Enam Puluh. Sembilan is 9 so to say 69 correctly it would need to be "Enam Puluh Sembilan".

[/QUOTE]You're technically correct. However, Indonesian numbers, when said in full get so long that colloquially they are often shortened.

'tiga lima' is commonly used and could be 35, 35,000, 350,000 or even 3,500,000 depending on context.

I think it was more likely that she feined lost in translation so that she didn't have to do something she wasn't keen on anyway. Some english positions or sex acts don't translate directly or may not be widely understood eg I've had a lot more success asking for a 'blowjob' rather than a 'headjob'.

Enjoy. G.

[QUOTE=Sychip1;2979491]Wow to have it appear on the news like that it must be horrendous.

I was caught up in a downpour a few weeks back, roads near WTC mangga dua turned into a river. No kidding I was 15 minutes walk away from my hotel ended up taking 2 hours. Even stranger as one side of the was fine but the other side was a river. Nothing in the news about that but the drains in Jakarta can be terrible, that seemed to be the root cause of those conditions. If the forecast is bad for next few days, I'the advise anyone who can flexibly change their flight to do so.[/QUOTE]Honestly, I have such mixed feelings about the flooding aspect of Jakarta.

O We all know about the geographic crisis Jakarta is going through with it sinking, bad infrastructure, and prone to flooding.

O It's actually such a powerful site to see a culture of people constantly accept just being massively flooded out.

O Kids going to school like normal, just take their shoes off, put it in a plastic bag, and off they go!

O Ever try to traverse through 12" deep water in a taxi? It's scary shit!

O I don't mind the flooding, even if it's an inconvenience, because it almost feels like it's part of the adventure of being outside of your comfort zone, but when you see the black floating stuff in the water. Oh no.

[QUOTE=Gabacho;2980015]Except the word sixty-nine isn't Enam Sembilan, whenever you add a zero onto the end of a number (for example adding 0 to 2 to make 20) you have to add the word "puluh" you can see this on the money written on the bottom of the bills. So Enam is 6 but 60 is Enam Puluh. Sembilan is 9 so to say 69 correctly it would need to be "Enam Puluh Sembilan".

But more important than saying 69 correctly, I think that phrases or idioms in one language do not necessarily translate into the same meaning in another language. Just how doggy style or estilo perrito is not understood in Colombia, they say "en los cuatro" so even had you said 69 correctly, odds are she wouldn't know why this bule is saying 69 and that you wanted her to suck your cock while eating her pussy.

They probably have an entirely different phrase to convey this sexual act and this is a prime example of why mongers should invest a little time and effort into learning at least some basics of the language, if you have been able to convey your thoughts message, the session may have not been bust.[/QUOTE]Thank you but the recommendation is hardly relevant in my case. I am fluent in bahasa, have been since the first decade. Enam puluh sembilan would be a literal translation, not necessarily correct to convey the mental picture of two bodies aligned along opposite directions. Enam is one body, sembilan is the other body. Two digits. Puluh is a distraction. By the same token, if you have say room number 523 you say lima-dua-tiga (5-0-3) not lima ratus dua puluh tiga. For shortness' sake.

[QUOTE=Gabacho;2980015]Except the word sixty-nine isn't Enam Sembilan, whenever you add a zero onto the end of a number (for example adding 0 to 2 to make 20) you have to add the word "puluh" you can see this on the money written on the bottom of the bills. So Enam is 6 but 60 is Enam Puluh. Sembilan is 9 so to say 69 correctly it would need to be "Enam Puluh Sembilan".

But more important than saying 69 correctly, I think that phrases or idioms in one language do not necessarily translate into the same meaning in another language. Just how doggy style or estilo perrito is not understood in Colombia, they say "en los cuatro" so even had you said 69 correctly, odds are she wouldn't know why this bule is saying 69 and that you wanted her to suck your cock while eating her pussy.

They probably have an entirely different phrase to convey this sexual act and this is a prime example of why mongers should invest a little time and effort into learning at least some basics of the language, if you have been able to convey your thoughts message, the session may have not been bust.[/QUOTE]Not only that but since when 69 is considered a basic service? And just thinking aloud how many bros on here want to be in a 69 with one of these ladies who are having up to 8 clients a day? For me personally hell no which is perhaps why she was surprised / reluctant.