Safe Sex and Sex Related Discussions in Thailand

[QUOTE=Tony Hoeprano;1435981]If you refuse to condom up, it will probably happen sooner than later (contract a STD that is). I read there's a hillbilly in Angeles City who is spreading an advanced form of jock itch to many unsuspecting bar girls there. He explained how he goes weeks without cleaning and changing his underpants, so just let you know that there are neanderthals out there who force their diseases upon girls and the then they probably pass the bugs on to other johns.[/QUOTE]I'm 60 and have been non-rubberized almost exclusively since my teenage years. Lots of non pros and working girls both. Caught a case of crabs in my early twenties. Nothing else. I'm not saying that the chances are zero, but unless you're fucking crack whoares, IV drug users, or guys in the ass, then your chances drop considerably. If you are unlucky enough to pick up a case of the regular clap, or the extremely small chance of the antibiotic resistant menace, then consider yourself unlucky. You've a much better chance of dying in a car accident (no matter where you live, for the most part) than getting a major STD. Obviously that doesn't stop people from getting in their cars, or a cab, and motoring on.

I don't allow fear mongering or the willfully ill informed to have any influence on my fucking. Fucking with a rubber is a very poor excuse for fucking in my book. I'd rather get a blowjob than be coerced into wear a rubber.

[QUOTE=I don't allow fear mongering or the willfully ill informed to have any influence on my fucking. Fucking with a rubber is a very poor excuse for fucking in my book. I'd rather get a blowjob than be coerced into wear a rubber.[/QUOTE]If the lord of all persuasions meant us to wear a condom we would have been born with a draw string on our foreskin.

[QUOTE=Harold444; 1436041]This is the 2nd guy here involved in this kind of behavoir. Is it just me or is- quick forced BB- a crime in most jurisdictions. Time to call in csi Bangkok!

Then when you read the guys account of how the girl adores them and wants more I'm thinking the girls are used to it. Perhpas it starts young with the working girl, they must have experienced worse. Quick forced BB is the least of their worries.[/QUOTE]Forced BB was probably wrong choice of words. I meant that last night as I was drunk for me it was BB coming or no coming at all. I tried with 3 different condoms but could not come and did not even feel much anything. Then bareback felt instantly good and came quickly. That is the difference between great BB sex and condom sex, it is just so unnatural and not the way nature created it that you have a thick rubber between human beings when having sex.

Of course there are risks but I don't doubt the bar girl if she saids she takes std tests every month. It is also in her own interests and in the interests of the bar that girls and customers don't get sick. HIV you cannot catch if the girl does not have it, which is extremely likely. If she has it then there is a small risk but still it is extremely unlikely.

[quote=catbird;1436061]i'm not saying that the chances are zero, but unless you're fucking crack whoares, iv drug users, or guys in the ass, then your chances drop considerably. if you are unlucky enough to pick up a case of the regular clap, or the extremely small chance of the antibiotic resistant menace, then consider yourself unlucky. you've a much better chance of dying in a car accident (no matter where you live, for the most part) than getting a major std. obviously that doesn't stop people from getting in their cars, or a cab, and motoring on.[/quote]first, there is a thread devoted to bareback which is where this post belongs. second, i made a post months ago about the probability of catching an std from repeated unprotected sex. it is shockingly high; and as i have a ph. d. in statistics and applied mathematics i can write about statistical probabilities as an expert. third, your statement about being unlucky if you catch an std is stupid. depending on who you are fucking and how often you are fucking one is very lucky not to eventually catch an std. fourth, your automobile accident analogy is very weak. one's odds of being in an accident are influenced by the condition of the car, whether you are driving impaired, where, when and how you drive. under the best of circumstances the probability of being in an automobile accident approached zero. under the worst circumstances it approaches one. repeated unprotected sex with sex workers is like driving with a blood alcohol level several times the legal limit on a busy high speed freeway late at night and exceeding the speed limit. guys who ride bareback who have thought through what they are doing take antibiotics daily while they are monger. i'm not recommending doing this, either going bareback or taking daily doses of antibiotics, but at least they're not leaving it to the grace of god. finally, i too hate wearing a condom, but i do because it's safe, i am concerned about the too frequent use of antibiotics and i don't want to be a party to the spread of stds.

[QUOTE=Pekkakoo;1436177]I don't doubt the bar girl if she saids she takes std tests every month. It is also in her own interests and in the interests of the bar that girls and customers don't get sick. HIV you cannot catch if the girl does not have it, which is extremely likely. If she has it then there is a small risk but still it is extremely unlikely.[/QUOTE]Just to put things in the right perspection and with no intention to approve or condemn: [B]it is known that the STD test is not a proof in case of HIV being caught "recently" [/b]

[QUOTE=Bionicman;1436192]Just to put things in the right perspection and with no intention to approve or condemn: [B]it is known that the STD test is not a proof in case of HIV being caught "recently" [/b][/QUOTE]The window period is about 10 to 14 days with the HIV NAAT test at Bumrungrad hospital soi 3 across from Grace Hotel.

The window period is a few days more with the 4th gen duo test at the same location, same day results possible within an hour or two, if you arrive early enough. About 3 days waiting period for NAAT (PCR) test results.

Roughly $100 for the first option & half that for the 2nd.

The chances of a person having HIV & transmitting it to you via BBFS after recently testing negative with either option is almost nil.

Adding a condom to the mix might be considered to be ultra safe sex or overkill. If you have a wife or GF back home, though, it might be something you'd feel more comfortable with.

BTW isn't their a safe sex thread where this subject has been discussed before at great length.

[QUOTE=Bionicman;1436192]Just to put things in the right perspection and with no intention to approve or condemn: [B]it is known that the STD test is not a proof in case of HIV being caught "recently" [/b][/QUOTE]This is true but now in the equation the girl not only has had to caught HIV (unlikely) but also has had to caught it recently (highly unlikely). Of course unfortunately transmission is more likely if HIV infrction is recently caught.

So how to know if a bar girl has it? HIV test at 1 month is 90-99% reliable so wait about a month if you BBd her and go back to her bar. If she still works there she didn't have HIV when she was with you. If she had it would have been tested and she would have been kicked out of the bar. If she is not there say your prayers. On the other hand she could have quit for other reasons.

[QUOTE=Catbird;1436061]I'm 60 and have been non-rubberized almost exclusively since my teenage years. Lots of non pros and working girls both. Caught a case of crabs in my early twenties. Nothing else. I'm not saying that the chances are zero, but unless you're fucking crack whoares, IV drug users, or guys in the ass, then your chances drop considerably. If you are unlucky enough to pick up a case of the regular clap, or the extremely small chance of the antibiotic resistant menace, then consider yourself unlucky. .[/QUOTE]Guys have a far lower chance of catching HIV anyway (as opposed to women) unless they're taking up the ass by another by guy as the receptacle. That being said I'm not going to bareback FS anything P4P. I have another 40+ years of mongering and I intend to use it.

[QUOTE=Pekkakoo; 1436239]This is true but now in the equation the girl not only has had to caught HIV (unlikely) but also has had to caught it recently (highly unlikely). Of course unfortunately transmission is more likely if HIV infrction is recently caught.

So how to know if a bar girl has it? HIV test at 1 month is 90-99% reliable so wait about a month if you BBd her and go back to her bar. If she still works there she didn't have HIV when she was with you. If she had it would have been tested and she would have been kicked out of the bar. If she is not there say your prayers. On the other hand she could have quit for other reasons.[/QUOTE]Apart that few rules can apply (one is 99% sure: no sex is safe sex, but not 100%) , we can summarize all this by saying that BB is a big gamble.

All this talking about HIV coming from sex, not from other (existing) means.

[QUOTE=Catbird; 1436061]I'm 60 and have been non-rubberized almost exclusively since my teenage years. Lots of non pros and working girls both. Caught a case of crabs in my early twenties. Nothing else. I'm not saying that the chances are zero, but unless you're fucking crack whoares, IV drug users, or guys in the ass, then your chances drop considerably. If you are unlucky enough to pick up a case of the regular clap, or the extremely small chance of the antibiotic resistant menace, then consider yourself unlucky. You've a much better chance of dying in a car accident (no matter where you live, for the most part) than getting a major STD. Obviously that doesn't stop people from getting in their cars, or a cab, and motoring on.

I don't allow fear mongering or the willfully ill informed to have any influence on my fucking. Fucking with a rubber is a very poor excuse for fucking in my book. I'd rather get a blowjob than be coerced into wear a rubber.[/QUOTE]I love reading about guys like the moron above who don't mind taking chances catching HIV, syphilis or other venereal diseases. I don't care either if you do. Be my guest. What I do mind is people like you catching something and then passing it on to loads of uneducated girls who are just trying to make a living and finding it necessary to make you happy. I hate to give you the bad news but it's not all about you in this life.

[QUOTE=DRRonin;1436416]I love reading about guys like the moron above who don't mind taking chances catching HIV, syphilis or other venereal diseases. I don't care either if you do. Be my guest. What I do mind is people like you catching something and then passing it on to loads of uneducated girls who are just trying to make a living and finding it necessary to make you happy. I hate to give you the bad news but it's not all about you in this life.[/QUOTE]I've nominated you for a place in the self righteous priesthood. Cheers.

[QUOTE=Catbird;1436429]I've nominated you for a place in the self righteous priesthood. Cheers.[/QUOTE]Yes I admit to my weakness. I actually care about some people other than myself. Something you clearly never have. And never will. Good luck being a dick. I am sure it has served you well in life.

[QUOTE=DRRonin;1436481]Yes I admit to my weakness. I actually care about some people other than myself. Something you clearly never have. And never will. Good luck being a dick. I am sure it has served you well in life.[/QUOTE]It always amazes me how some people can make absolute judgements about others based on whether or not they wear condoms. Surely there's more to that than meets the eye. The self righteous priesthood awaits you DRRonin. Take your well wrapped dick and faultless personality and venture forward.;)

[QUOTE=DRRonin;1436416]I love reading about guys like the moron above who don't mind taking chances catching HIV, syphilis or other venereal diseases. I don't care either if you do. Be my guest. What I do mind is people like you catching something and then passing it on to loads of uneducated girls who are just trying to make a living and finding it necessary to make you happy. I hate to give you the bad news but it's not all about you in this life.[/QUOTE]While I probably wouldn't worry about HIV were I a BB guy, I would worry about drug resistant wee-beasties. Ronin I agree with you 100. Wrapping is as much about respect for the gal and the dude that goes after you as it is about staying safe.