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[QUOTE=Elvis2008;3047032]LOL. That ranks up there with Spidy's cheap European energy article. God, that is a load of horseshit. The reality is that Maduro's shit politics has loaded Venezuela's neighbors to the gills with costly and often destructive Venezuelan refugees. Like the people Woodman is helping, a lot of the Vennies, more than the majority, are good folks, but there are a lot of thugs among those Vennies too.

Thing is if I put on my conspiracy hat and wanted to rig an election, I would use the Vennies. They are poor, desperate, and in too many cases, immoral. I think there is 2 million Vennies in Colombia. Colombian president Petro owns those people and can deport them at any time. Thing is Petro could give the Vennies passports. If you have a Colombian passport, you can go to Mexico visa free and then storm the border. You are not going to catch all the Vennies if they come it any once..[/QUOTE]I've been reading 31 billion was stolen in 1 year, 26 billion by foreign gangs, the woman in charge was Julie Su yes that Julie Su just hired my moron mamdani.

[URL]https://www.kjct8.com/2021/01/26/california-criminal-rings-loot-billions-in-jobless-funds/[/URL]

[URL]https://www-aljazeera-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/www.aljazeera.com/amp/news/2026/1/12/which-countries-host-the-largest-venezuelan-populations?amp_gsa=1&amp_js_v=a9&usqp=mq331AQGsAEggAID[/URL]#amp_tf=From%20%251%24's&aoh=17682608914788&csi=0&referrer=https%3 A%2 F%2 F [URL]www.google.com[/URL]&ampshare=https%3 A%2 F%2 F[URL]www.aljazeera.com[/URL]%2 Fnews%2 F2026%2 F1%2 F12%2 Fwhich-countries-host-the-largest-venezuelan-populations.

[URL]https://www.visualcapitalist.com/cp/visualized-ocean-plastic-waste-pollution-by-country/[/URL]

Asia is one huge toilet, massive rats, roaches and bed bugs (why those greedy bastards on Wall St love it so).

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LbzX2g0V4os[/URL]

I was swimming on a beach in Bali and wound up in a Bronze Age like ER.

I told them I had been swimming and they said OHHH it rained the other day.

I said ok? They said when it rains ALL sewage goes into the ocean including the beaches.

I had to wait to get treated in the USA for a horrible ear infection.

You mention Chinese merchants yes the diaspora is very aggressive about making / stealing money and they are strongly disliked everywhere they go.

Kinda like Jews LOL.

I've seen much of Asia and much of Latin America.

Latin America beats Asia on every single metric if you compare the two, except one.

Crime, that said I've spent a lot of time in both, and I've never had an issue in either so to me its moot (at least so far).

If you stay away from drugs and know how to handle yourself, trouble seems to look for easier targets.

And I have seen many / most of the worst areas of Latin America.

Its cool to be walking down the street in Bogota or Lima and a local is wearing a USA flag shirt or riding a bike with an actual American flag.

You will never see that in Asia (except the PI they speak English are Catholic and love Uncle Sam.

I absolutely love Latin America.

[QUOTE=Spidy;3047060]Texas has nothing on Virginia (the data capital center of the world), when it come to data centers. Whom, BTW, saw Dems sweep and win 13 state seats, for a majority in the house, in the 2025 Elections "Big Blue Wave", in Virginia, based primarily on two election issues; the rise in electricity prices and affordability. Let's hope Texas suffers the same fate, with their data center ambitions!

Yes, we know Texas, has some of the lowest electricity in the country, but tell that to Virginians, facing significant increases in electricity costs due to data centers, with estimates suggesting that data centers accounted for 63% of electricity price increases, for the coming year.[/QUOTE]So is having data centers good or bad? Do you want Texas to have higher energy costs? Or Virginia to have them? What similar fate do you want to Texas to suffer? Higher energy costs? More data centers? Turning blue? Given your knack for taking both sides of an issue, the answer to all these questions must be yes and no. If you are going to say I am wrong, maybe you should make sure what your position is.

[QUOTE=Spidy;3047060]Right, cause idiots like Bill Gates, decide to invest $10 billion dollars in the largest data center in the world, located in Europe's Portugal, SINES Start Campus, 1 GW data center, for no good reason, right?[/QUOTE]And now Bill Gates, who wrote a book that climate change was bad and that hypocritically said climate change was nothing, is a genius. I thought Gates was an evil, stupid, self serving billionaire in your eyes. So, is Gates bad or good? We can put down yes and no to that question too.

[QUOTE=Spidy;3047060]Funny, you once said Europe couldn't compete in the AI and data center arena. How wrong you were, thinking such nonsense. So much for MAGA think![/QUOTE]Yeesh. I am so much smarter than you Elvis because of how I vote. Any moron can vote for a Democrat, you fool. Europe cannot compete with China when it comes to the cost of producing cars, yet Europe still produces cars. How is that possible? You think that you are so smart when you say the dumbest things.

This was from the NYT and of course it had the usual Trump is dumb comments strewn in, but there was some good information: Sprawling solar farms, windmills and hydroelectric dams are the best energy options for the planet, and usually the cheapest. Their economic upside has made them, collectively, the fastest-growing power source for data centers worldwide.

But renewables often can't shoulder the load alone, despite being a major part of the A. I. Power plan. That's because servers hum and whir around the clock — not just when the sun is up or the wind is blowing. They demand a constant, stable flow of electricity. If power falters, even for a few seconds, companies lose thousands of dollars, sometimes more.

Companies can pair solar and wind farms with massive batteries that store power and then release it in a steady stream. But storing energy that way is relatively pricey and may still fall short of providing the nonstop energy that data centers need. "Batteries are a great way to shift daytime electricity to evening electricity — but not a great way to shift July electricity to January electricity.

So even the greenest facilities rely on fossil fuels or the local grid for backup.

The biggest data center campuses will consume multiple gigawatts of power. To continuously produce just a single gigawatt, a renewable-energy plant would need around 12.5 million solar panels — enough to cover nearly 5,000 football fields. Wind turbines would need even more room. Many data centers near cities and towns don't have that kind of space.

And this is what Ram was smacking you around about. Oh, solar is cheaper but let's leave out land costs. Solar is cheaper but let's leave out battery costs. Solar is cheaper but let's leave out the costs of fossil fuel backup. Solar is cheaper but only when the sun is shining and the sunlight is bright. Solar is cheaper but if you have a grid overly dependent on solar and wind as Spain and Portugal do, blackouts will be more frequent and blackouts cost data centers millions of dollars.

So solar is not always cheaper nor better. And if you look at where there is plenty of sun, wind, and cheap land, the most cost effective place to be is West Texas. Texas is not Virginia. Our potential for alternative energy generation is practically unlimited.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;3047106]Sometimes, a response is so dumb it needs to sit by itself. Uh, Tooms, why is Tampon Timmy sitting down? Why did CBS news say they were going to cover the news differently?

Those are rhetorical questions. I have zero interest in your response.[/QUOTE]Trump's 2nd term typically crap Repub Jobs creation record so far, especially compared to the nearest Dem president's results, was not caused my a Minnesota scandal that was initially investigated and prosecuted by Joe Biden's DOJ back in 2022.

And neither was Trump's 1st term typically crap Repub Jobs creation results.

Or GW Bush's.

Or GHW Bush's.

Or Reagan's.

Or Nixon / Ford's.

Or Eisenhower's.

Or Hoover's.

Etc.

But keep trying. Maybe you will eventually come up with some lame excuse so dumb, numskull MAGAs Adam Carolla and Bill Maher will repeat it over and over again on their shows for you.

[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;3047109]I've been reading 31 billion was stolen in 1 year, 26 billion by foreign gangs, the woman in charge was Julie Su yes that Julie Su just hired my moron mamdani.

https://www.kjct8.com/2021/01/26/california-criminal-rings-loot-billions-in-jobless-funds/[/QUOTE]In 2020, when the Dems said that was the fairest election in history, I was like, are you fucking kidding me? But the Republicans tried to change things after the fact which was not going to happen. I was like Republicans you have to stop these guys before the election and they did not do enough because you cannot expect judges to over turn things, and they have learned and are getting judges involved before the full vote is cast. We all know the immigrants are being bribed with our tax dollars to vote Dem. The modern Dem has no morals. They think Trump is so evil that bribing immigrants to vote their way is okay.

I did not know we had close to a million Vennies here. That is enough to flip any election. I actually think that is the real reason Trump took Maduro out not gold not oil but to deport any of the Vennies taking money to vote Dem. I expect Trump to build a Guantanamo like structure there, and to deport any immigrant who illegally votes in an election, and that is fine with me. Illegals voting in an election is not cute. It is as big a threat to our Democracy as Hitler was. They are stealing the USA blind.

[URL]https://www-aljazeera-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/www.aljazeera.com/amp/news/2026/1/12/which-countries-host-the-largest-venezuelan-populations?amp_gsa=1&amp_js_v=a9&usqp=mq331AQGsAEggAID[/URL]#amp_tf=From%20%251%24's&aoh=17682608914788&csi=0&referrer=https%3 A%2 F%2 F [URL]www.google.com[/URL]&ampshare=https%3 A%2 F%2 F [URL]www.aljazeera.com[/URL]%2 Fnews%2 F2026%2 F1%2 F12%2 Fwhich-countries-host-the-largest-venezuelan-populations.

[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;3047109]I was swimming on a beach in Bali and wound up in a Bronze Age like ER.

I told them I had been swimming and they said OHHH it rained the other day.

I said ok? They said when it rains ALL sewage goes into the ocean including the beaches.

I had to wait to get treated in the USA for a horrible ear infection.

You mention Chinese merchants yes the diaspora is very aggressive about making / stealing money and they are strongly disliked everywhere they go.

Kinda like Jews LOL.

I've seen much of Asia and much of Latin America.

Latin America beats Asia on every single metric if you compare the two, except one.

Crime, that said I've spent a lot of time in both, and I've never had an issue in either so to me its moot (at least so far).

If you stay away from drugs and know how to handle yourself, trouble seems to look for easier targets.

And I have seen many / most of the worst areas of Latin America.

Its cool to be walking down the street in Bogota or Lima and a local is wearing a USA flag shirt or riding a bike with an actual American flag.

You will never see that in Asia (except the PI they speak English are Catholic and love Uncle Sam.

I absolutely love Latin America.[/QUOTE]Yeah, and Bali Indonesia is one of the few places in Asia where you have enough space to actually breathe. It is beautiful but not maintained well, and the people there love to rip off tourists.

The big difference between nation building in Venezuela versus Afghanistan or Iraq is that it is a Christian nation. Culturally, our values are the same. Individually, I like Muslims, but most of their governments are fucked up. My father was raised Muslim, and he hated the religious people. He said more people died in the name of religion than anything else, and I think he was right.

Christianity was violent too, but that was when only the priests had access to the Bible. Once everyone did and could read the Bible and Jesus saying, "Love God and Love your neighbor", IMO that changed everything. Anybody who thinks the Christian world was violent is not looking at other cultures.

Given how young Latin America is and was, I was much more interested in the growth of their economies than Asian ones. Maybe they were not going to soar as much, but I enjoyed visiting them. Asia was far, a lot of it is dirty, and crowded. But Latin America is spread out, nice weather. People are / were friendly. The women moving their hips like they did blew me away. And unlike going to Europe, there is no jet lag, and things were like a third the price of Europe.

It amazes me why Latin America so often is not on the list of places people are interested in traveling to, and I think the reason is the fear of crime. Thing is the crime varies so much. In Rio, people brag about not getting mugged, but in nearby Buenos Aires, you do not see much of that. And when you start talking Chile and Uruguay, you are probably safer there than most of the USA.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;3047188]In 2020, when the Dems said that was the fairest election in history, I was like, are you fucking kidding me? But the Republicans tried to change things after the fact which was not going to happen. I was like Republicans you have to stop these guys before the election and they did not do enough because you cannot expect judges to over turn things, and they have learned and are getting judges involved before the full vote is cast. We all know the immigrants are being bribed with our tax dollars to vote Dem. The modern Dem has no morals. They think Trump is so evil that bribing immigrants to vote their way is okay.

I did not know we had close to a million Vennies here. That is enough to flip any election. I actually think that is the real reason Trump took Maduro out not gold not oil but to deport any of the Vennies taking money to vote Dem. I expect Trump to build a Guantanamo like structure there, and to deport any immigrant who illegally votes in an election, and that is fine with me. Illegals voting in an election is not cute. It is as big a threat to our Democracy as Hitler was. They are stealing the USA blind.

[URL]https://www-aljazeera-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/www.aljazeera.com/amp/news/2026/1/12/which-countries-host-the-largest-venezuelan-populations?amp_gsa=1&amp_js_v=a9&usqp=mq331AQGsAEggAID[/URL]#amp_tf=From%20%251%24's&aoh=17682608914788&csi=0&referrer=https%3 A%2 F%2 F [URL]www.google.com[/URL]&ampshare=https%3 A%2 F%2 F [URL]www.aljazeera.com[/URL]%2 Fnews%2 F2026%2 F1%2 F12%2 Fwhich-countries-host-the-largest-venezuelan-populations.

Yeah, and Bali Indonesia is one of the few places in Asia where you have enough space to actually breathe. It is beautiful but not maintained well, and the people there love to rip off tourists.

The big difference between nation building in Venezuela versus Afghanistan or Iraq is that it is a Christian nation. Culturally, our values are the same. Individually, I like Muslims, but most of their governments are fucked up. My father was raised Muslim, and he hated the religious people. He said more people died in the name of religion than anything else, and I think he was right.

Christianity was violent too, but that was when only the priests had access to the Bible. Once everyone did and could read the Bible and Jesus saying, "Love God and Love your neighbor", IMO that changed everything. Anybody who thinks the Christian world was violent is not looking at other cultures.

Given how young Latin America is and was, I was much more interested in the growth of their economies than Asian ones. Maybe they were not going to soar as much, but I enjoyed visiting them. Asia was far, a lot of it is dirty, and crowded. But Latin America is spread out, nice weather. People are / were friendly. The women moving their hips like they did blew me away. And unlike going to Europe, there is no jet lag, and things were like a third the price of Europe.

It amazes me why Latin America so often is not on the list of places people are interested in traveling to, and I think the reason is the fear of crime. Thing is the crime varies so much. In Rio, people brag about not getting mugged, but in nearby Buenos Aires, you do not see much of that. And when you start talking Chile and Uruguay, you are probably safer there than most of the USA.[/QUOTE]The Census doesn't track illegals, its just a body count.

That's how California gets so many House seats.

That needs to change, the census needs proof of citizenship.

[URL]https://www.newsmax.com/newsfront/voter-id-elon-musk/2024/11/10/id/1187471/[/URL]

Same with voter ID.

I believe the reasons CCPland outperforms Latin America.

Has a lot to do with Communism, the US built up Japan and SK and thought if they did the same with China they would neutralize the CCP that didn't happen.

They just built up its nuclear arsenal for them instead.

The other reason is numbers, depending on what countries you count Asia has about 4-5 billion dirt cheap slaves and Wall St was all in for some very very cheap slavery.

W / o Environmental Laws Labor Laws etc etc.

I believe the best global alliance for the US is with Latin American and the Middle Eastern countries (and Russia of course).

We are all Caucasians, and the CCP hates us (because they ain't us LOL) just look at the Uyghurs.

Elvis 2008:

[QUOTE]In 2020, when the Dems said that was the fairest election in history, I was like, are you fucking kidding me? But the Republicans tried to change things after the fact which was not going to happen. I was like Republicans you have to stop these guys before the election and they did not do enough because you cannot expect judges to over turn things, and they have learned and are getting judges involved before the full vote is cast. We all know the immigrants are being bribed with our tax dollars to vote Dem. The modern Dem has no morals. They think Trump is so evil that bribing immigrants to vote their way is okay.[/QUOTE]Ahem.

[B]Trumps own officials say 2020 was Americas most secure election in history.
Homeland Security put out a statement with state and local officials that countered the presidents fraud claims.
Nov. 14, 2020[/B]

[URL]https://www.vox.com/2020/11/13/21563825/2020-elections-most-secure-dhs-cisa-krebs[/URL]

[QUOTE]The 2020 US election was the most secure in American history, according to US elections officials.

The November 3rd election was the most secure in American history. Right now, across the country, election officials are reviewing and double-checking the entire election process prior to finalizing the result, the coordinating bodies on election infrastructure and security said in a joint statement issued by the [b]Department of Homeland Securitys Cybersecurity & Infrastructure Security Agency (CISA)[/b].

The statement directly contradicts President Donald Trump, who has made unfounded allegations of widespread voting irregularities and fraud. The president is using these claims to challenge the vote counts in several key states that delivered President-elect Joe Biden his apparent Electoral College victory.[/QUOTE][B]Voter data expert hired by Trump campaign says 2020 election was not stolen.
1/2/2024[/B]

[URL]https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/4385239-voter-data-expert-trump-campaign-2020-election-not-stolen/[/URL]

[QUOTE]Ken Block, whom the Trump campaign hired in 2020 to find voter fraud in the election, penned an op-ed Tuesday stating unequivocally that the 2020 presidential election was not stolen and that there was no evidence of voter fraud sufficient to change the outcome of the election.[/QUOTE][B]Trump spread claims of election fraud debunked by his own legal team, Jan. 6 panel says.
Former AG Barr thought former president had become detached from reality
June 13, 2022[/B]

[URL]https://coloradonewsline.com/2022/06/13/trump-spread-claims-of-election-fraud-debunked-by-his-own-legal-team-jan-6-panel-says/[/URL]

[QUOTE]Fraud claims were also referred to the USA Department of Justice, then led by[b] Attorney General Bill Barr. [/b].

In taped testimony, Barr described "an avalanche of all these allegations of fraud that built up over a number of days. ".

The early claims "were completely bogus and silly and usually based on complete misinformation," Barr said.

In a late November meeting in the Oval Office, Trump pressured Barr to involve the Justice Department in the fraud investigations. Barr told the president the department would investigate specific allegations of fraud that could have swung the election, but that claims to that point were "just not meritorious. ".

Later, Trump asked Barr specifically about ballots in Detroit, where boxes were seen transported to a vote-counting station. Barr told Trump that that was to be expected as part of the city's process to centralize vote counting among its 600-plus precincts, Barr said.

Barr said he told Trump the fraud claims he was making to the public were "bulls* a comment also aired by the committee in its initial Thursday night hearing.

"I told him that it was crazy stuff and they were wasting their time on it and it was doing great, great disservice to the country," Barr said.

"he's become detached from reality if he really believes this stuff," Barr said he remembered thinking at the time. [/QUOTE]Obviously, somebody is watching way, way, way too much Fux News and nothing else. Lololol.

[QUOTE=RamDavidson84;3047090]How much gas was used to mine for the batteries and rare earth metals which will back up this system that is destroying ocean environment? How much energy is lost on misty days? In ten years when the panels need to be replaced, that is literally 5 square miles of plastic panels wasted and polluting the environment. How much did the batteries cost?

5 square miles of pristine ocean to generate electricity than can't even produce electricity at night or in bad weather. Yea that makes a ton sense.

Keep up the scam though.[/QUOTE]Germany's largest offshore wind farm under construction, EnBW's he Dreiht, just hit a big milestone: The first enormous turbine is now up in the North Sea. [B]The first giant 15 MW turbine is up at Germany's largest offshore wind farm,[/B] [URL]https://electrek.co/2025/04/28/the-first-giant-15-mw-turbine-is-up-at-germanys-largest-offshore-wind-farm/[/URL].

Clearly the wind turbine tech in Germany is growing and expanding at fast pace and have none of those concerns, as their offshore wind farms are new putting up 15 GW turbines.

BTW, when will we see 15 GW of "rubbing rocks" together GW energy being produced, in NJ?

Greenland prime minister say they prefer Denmark than Trump. Nobody want Trump.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;3047188]In 2020, when the Dems said that was the fairest election in history, I was like, are you fucking kidding me? But the Republicans tried to change things after the fact which was not going to happen. I was like Republicans you have to stop these guys before the election and they did not do enough because you cannot expect judges to over turn things, and they have learned and are getting judges involved before the full vote is cast. We all know the immigrants are being bribed with our tax dollars to vote Dem. The modern Dem has no morals. They think Trump is so evil that bribing immigrants to vote their way is okay.

I did not know we had close to a million Vennies here. That is enough to flip any election. I actually think that is the real reason Trump took Maduro out not gold not oil but to deport any of the Vennies taking money to vote Dem. I expect Trump to build a Guantanamo like structure there, and to deport any immigrant who illegally votes in an election, and that is fine with me. Illegals voting in an election is not cute. It is as big a threat to our Democracy as Hitler was. They are stealing the USA blind..[/QUOTE]And the CCP is a bunch of racist atheists, they really really hate whites and Muslims, even in CCPland anyone not a Han is an outsider.

[URL]https://www.nytimes.com/2026/01/04/world/asia/china-russia-xi-putin.html[/URL]

[QUOTE=Spidy;3047225]Germany's largest offshore wind farm under construction, EnBW's he Dreiht, just hit a big milestone: The first enormous turbine is now up in the North Sea. [B]The first giant 15 MW turbine is up at Germany's largest offshore wind farm,[/B] [URL]https://electrek.co/2025/04/28/the-first-giant-15-mw-turbine-is-up-at-germanys-largest-offshore-wind-farm/[/URL].

Clearly the wind turbine tech in Germany is growing and expanding at fast pace and have none of those concerns, as their offshore wind farms are new putting up 15 GW turbines.

BTW, when will we see 15 GW of "rubbing rocks" together GW energy being produced, in NJ?[/QUOTE][URL]https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/germanys-weak-winds-trigger-record-surge-gas-fired-power-maguire-2024-12-04/[/URL]

Lets just hope those wind speeds pick up so the lights go on at night. Hahahahaha. I feel bad for all those ex-Nazi sons of bitchs they fell for that scam wind and solar shit. WW2 guilt did them in lololol.

Bro, Jersey shore summers are great. Go to the beach, fishing, boating, but best of all Velcro- Electricity is on 24 hours a day 365 days a year hahaha. So glad we have nuclear and didn't get dupped by AOC scum bag green new snake charm LOL.

How you going to feel when Iran falls? Trump is the Hydra of the right that the legends foretold. The Ancient Aztec prophecy of a golden god from the North who will swoop down and strike sonic blasts which explode his enemies heads are coming to fruition. Them dictators all playing ball now knowing Golden Donald can scoop them when ever he wants. Sonic Boom!! Lololol.

[URL]https://www.foxnews.com/politics/us-used-sonic-weapon-venezuelan-troops-report-shared-leavitt-claims[/URL]

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ii6mXrVDtZU[/URL]

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;3047114]So is having data centers good or bad? Do you want Texas to have higher energy costs? Or Virginia to have them? What similar fate do you want to Texas to suffer? Higher energy costs? More data centers? Turning blue? Given your knack for taking both sides of an issue, the answer to all these questions must be yes and no. If you are going to say I am wrong, maybe you should make sure what your position is.[/QUOTE]Dude, if you have any analytical skills at all, you'll see the data presented, paints a very different picture, than the MAGA nonsense, you're often peddling.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;3047114]Yeesh. I am so much smarter than you Elvis because of how I vote. Any moron can vote for a Democrat, you fool. [/QUOTE]You said it dude, once a fool, always a fool! You should know. BTW, is this your way of telling me, like thousands of other Repubs, you have voter buyer's remorse? However, I find it interestingly funny, how your MAGA Fuhrer, only seems to punish and unlawfully, withhold or cut fed funds from Blue States that didn't vote for him.

But you are right, it really does take a special kind of fool, [B][i]to vote for your MAGA Fuhrer...twice (2x)[/i][/B] after a failed insurrection, 2 x impeached, 4 x indicted, loser of $83 million sexual defamation case and found guilty of 34 criminal felony counts of falsifying business records.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;3047114]Europe cannot compete with China when it comes to the cost of producing cars, yet Europe still produces cars. How is that possible? You think that you are so smart when you say the dumbest things.[/QUOTE]Nice strongman argument, but this particular debate is about Europe competing on data centers, not producing cars.

[B]EU pushes new AI strategy to reduce tech reliance on US and China.[/B] The EU must promote homegrown artificial intelligence platforms and decrease its reliance on foreign providers, Brussels has said, as it prepares to set out a new plan to compete against the US and China in the global race for the revolutionary technology. [URL]https://www.ft.com/content/ea3d20ed-5b42-45ce-8155-67ef472ae9df[/URL].

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;3047114]So even the greenest facilities rely on fossil fuels or the local grid for backup.[/QUOTE]Since data centers, like SINES Start Campus, are a top of the line, Tier IV facility, their annual downtime is like less than 1 hour. But in the invent they need longer backup-times from their generators, they use bio-fuels and then [U]as a last resort[/U] fossil fuel diesel if needed.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;3047114]Solar is cheaper but if you have a grid overly dependent on solar and wind as Spain and Portugal do, blackouts will be more frequent and blackouts cost data centers millions of dollars.[/QUOTE]Good point, but I think they've learnt a great deal from that blackout and now have installed battery grid forming inverters. Also SINES Start Campus, is a Tier IV data center facility and have backup bio-fuel generators, with additional battery backup in the coming future.

One of the best things they learnt from the blackout mistake, was how quickly this new flexible renewable grid, was able to restart from a blackout. What typically would take 1 or 2 days to power up from a nationwide black-start, only took 12 hours.

SINES Start Campus, is a state of the art data center, located in Europe. When finished, it will be like a $60 billion dollar facility, perhaps the best in the world.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;3047114]The biggest data center campuses will consume multiple gigawatts of power. ... Oh, solar is cheaper but let's leave out land costs. Solar is cheaper but let's leave out battery costs. Solar is cheaper but let's leave out the costs of fossil fuel backup. Solar is cheaper but let's leave out the costs of fossil fuel backup. Solar is cheaper but only when the sun is shining and the sunlight is bright. ...

So solar is not always cheaper nor better. And if you look at where there is plenty of sun, wind, and cheap land, the most cost effective place to be is West Texas. Texas is not Virginia. Our potential for alternative energy generation is practically unlimited. [/QUOTE][I][b]Duh!...Thats exactly what an LCOE is, when asked several times to present the lowest cost of energy![/b][/I]

Again for the uninitiated, if you don't understand, this is how analysts determine, across multiply energy sources, which is the lowest cost of energy.

[U]Definition of LCOE:[/U]
[LIST]The levelized cost of electricity/energy (LCOE), is a measure that calculates the average cost of electricity generation over the lifetime of a power plant, taking into account all costs associated with building and operating the plant divided by the total electricity produced. It is used to compare the cost-effectiveness of different energy generation technologies.[/LIST]
For weeks now, I'm been asking RamDavidson84, to provide FACTs and EVIDENCE, of an another energy generation source, that has lower or cheaper LCOE than solar, wind and / or solar or wind and batteries. And what do I get. Nothing but, [I][b]shuckin' and jivin' nonsense,[/b][/I] about "rubbing rocks" and wind turbines are a SCAM. Yeah, wind turbines that have, literally been around, generating energy, since the mid-19th century.

So now you chime in, [I]to do what exactly?[b]...co-sign[/b][/I] his nonsensical babbling "rubbing rocks" and wind SCAM, idiocy?

Do me a favor and STOP wasting my time, with all the bloviating MAGA nonsense, and for once in your lives, do a bit of homework and research into what you're debating, instead of simply repeating what comes out of your MAGA Fuhrer's mouth.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;3047211]Elvis 2008:

Ahem.

[B]Trumps own officials say 2020 was Americas most secure election in history.
Homeland Security put out a statement with state and local officials that countered the presidents fraud claims.
Nov. 14, 2020[/B]

[URL]https://www.vox.com/2020/11/13/21563825/2020-elections-most-secure-dhs-cisa-krebs[/URL]

[B]Voter data expert hired by Trump campaign says 2020 election was not stolen.
1/2/2024[/B]

[URL]https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/4385239-voter-data-expert-trump-campaign-2020-election-not-stolen/[/URL]

[B]Trump spread claims of election fraud debunked by his own legal team, Jan. 6 panel says.
Former AG Barr thought former president had become detached from reality
June 13, 2022[/B]

[URL]https://coloradonewsline.com/2022/06/13/trump-spread-claims-of-election-fraud-debunked-by-his-own-legal-team-jan-6-panel-says/[/URL]

Obviously, somebody is watching way, way, way too much Fux News and nothing else. Lololol.[/QUOTE][URL]https://amgreatness.com/2021/10/31/how-the-2020-election-was-rigged/[/URL]

[QUOTE=EihTooms;3047211]Elvis 2008:

Ahem.

Trumps own officials say 2020 was Americas most secure election in history.
Homeland Security put out a statement with state and local officials that countered the presidents fraud claims.[/QUOTE]And what good would it have been for those officials to say otherwise? We did not have depositions Tooms, and you make it seem like "Trump officials" have this secret knowledge that others do not. We saw the boxes pulled out in Fulton County, and Republicans observers kicked out. We know now that the votes in Fulton County were not properly certified. Did the "Trump officials" do that work and say they were wrong? Hell no! It was not the NYT or CNN; it was a citizen journalist. He knows more than all the "Trump officials".

We saw Dems hanging up cardboard in heavily Democratic Wayne County, Michigan so no one could see what they were doing. And "Trump officials" said there was no cheating. How would they know?

Why is it that you need an ID in California to buy a beer but not to vote? The bullshit excuses you people come up with this when you are cheating is unreal. Oh, that is racist. How is racist to ask for an ID to vote but not racist when you are buying a beer?

The reason you do not need an ID in California to vote is so you Dems can cheat, and the reason there are no voter ID laws in California is you Dems are too chicken shit to think you can win if they were put into place.

You want to prove me things are fair? Change the fucking law and until then quit making excuses.

[QUOTE=Spidy;3047284]You said it dude, once a fool, always a fool! You should know. BTW, is this your way of telling me, like thousands of other Repubs, you have voter buyer's remorse?[/QUOTE]No, this is me telling you that you are an arrogant ass. I understand Dems who vote the way they do because it is in their best interest, but you have no clue as to why people vote Republican. What you keep repeating is that MAGA people are stupid when the truth is you are a narrow minded, egotistical blockhead. And if you are voting Democrat as a form of identity versus how Democrats are actually performing for you, your mindset is a danger to Democracy.

You and Tooms go on and on about how terrible the economy is. But do you talk to people who actually live here? And if you did and those people said they are doing great under Trump or in my case that I have not noticed much difference between Trump and Biden, how would you respond? The appropriate response is to balance what is in the news with what you are hearing personally. But what you and Tooms do is insult the people living here if they do not agree with you. If you are doing better under Trump, you must be stupid. Everyone is doing worse!

Now I am sure there are people and businesses who have been hurt by tariffs, but the tsunami of predicted inflation has not shown up in my life or in the government's own number. Thing is that you ignore the ones doing better because of tariffs. In fact, if you are a typical Dem, it is impossible that anyone could be doing better because of tariffs when that is just not true.

[QUOTE=Spidy;3047284]Nice strongman argument, but this particular debate is about Europe competing on data centers, not producing cars.[/QUOTE]LOL. No, it is the same reason. If a nation is not the low cost producer of an item, the government playbook is always the same. You give taxpayer subsidies to the industries you want in your country. You claim the products of the nation who can produce a good more cheaply are not safe. "We can't be dependent on American only data centers. We need our own!" and you put taxes on the goods from that other country, and you know what those taxes are called? They are called tariffs.

So, no, Europe cannot compete with the USA on a level playing field with data centers, so Europe titled the field. Your shining example of European success and green energy would go tits up without government assistance.

[QUOTE=Spidy;3047284]But you are right, it really does take a special kind of fool, to vote for your MAGA Fuhrer...twice (2x) after a failed insurrection, 2 x impeached, 4 x indicted, loser of $83 million sexual defamation case and found guilty of 34 criminal felony counts of falsifying business records.[/QUOTE]And here we go again. You are married to all this identity politics bullshit versus performance. You took my tax dollars and went down that impeachment bullshit route to win versus performing? The problem with you dumb Dems is you want Congress and not the people to decide who should be president? FU! You are a traitor to Democracy. You want me to vote based on what some fucking New York judge or jury thinks versus my own self interests? Why would I do that especially when you dumb Dems make a habit of threatening judges? Judges are sages when they rule against Trump or say an election was not rigged, but if they say there is no right to an abortion? You Dems lose your shit.

You Dems elected a guy with obvious dementia, and after lying about him for years, you ditched him when the truth got out. Then God knows who picked the drunk and dumb as fuck Kamala and she picked a Veep in Tampon Timmy whose best quality for Kamala was that he was the rare person who looked more stupid than her. James Carville said she was a seventh stringer but not you.

In the last election, I intimately knew one of the judges locally and she is a Democrat, and I voted for her. I cannot imagine anyone could be more qualified to be a judge than her.

But is she were Republican, you would not vote for her. That you would vote for an incompetent Dem over a qualified Republicans makes you stupid, and you just did it in the last election.

Look at Hiliary compared to Kamala. I do not like her as a person, and I do not like her politics, but Hiliary is not a loser. She went to Yale and was successful as an attorney in private practice. Yeah, Bill helped her and made her career path easier but not for one fucking second do I think she needed him to make it. Kamala went to a shit law school, failed the bar, and the only reason she got into her position as the was sucking Willie Brown's dick. Kamala was a joke in the Democratic primaries. She got ahead (pun intended) because another white guy picked her based on her race and gender. And what has she done since losing the election outside of being drunk off her ass? And you fools keep going off on us for voting for Trump over her? That is laughable.