Moscow

[QUOTE=Doctor_Skank]They're girl-friendly for regular gfs as well or girls from other clubs.

Some of the lobby girls looked quite ok, no current idea on prices but imagine starting $300-500 but will settle for $200 if there is "love" in the air.[/QUOTE]

In Sheraton? 200$? For "love in the air"? =))) Good fantasy. Some guys can believe.


[QUOTE=It Travel]I really wonder if you have ever been there... ah ah There is no militia in alfa at all and they just go through in winter in Gamma Delta... never seen them stopping anybody in the hotel...

IT[/QUOTE]

IT, Victoria is right. I also don't understand why you still mislead the others promoting this place full of problems. May be they hired you...

Guys, Izmailovo and Crown Plaza (Mezdunarodnaya) are the most difficult places in Moscow for inviting guests. If possible, better avoid them. If you still deside to stay there, remember that you should take girls with you earlier than 20.00-21.00 and pay for them as for additional persons in the room. Sometimes you will be unable to fix the problem at all, depends on a shift. And forget about discretion, because you'll have to move with a girl everywhere - when she is in, when she is out, ect. And each time you appear together, a lot of security's attention is guaranteed.

[QUOTE=Doctor_Skank]Great story from the front, but if you don't mind my saying, ball was in your court if they were at your pad. You could have likely gotten away paying a LOT less, especially considering the un-hotness of at least two out of the three.

But I'm armchair mongering here, was your call.[/QUOTE]20/20 hindsight, Doc. 20/20 hindsight.

Seriously, I'd had like 5L of pivo and a half dozen shots of tequila by that point, so I was doing good just to manage a woody with my 20 mg of Vitamin C.

In general, I monger the most when I'm wasted, but with the worst results. Eto ironiya sud'by. :)

[QUOTE=Stravinsky][i]Ah, Moscow! Russia's favorite daughter. Where is your equal to be found?[/i] Dmitriev, from Onegin. What would really be interesting... would be to hear about how you made it through the following day. ;) Ochyn intyeresno. She's not interested in a man who speaks Russian. I imagine because she knows that she won't be able to manipulate you as easily as a foreign tourist who doesn't speak the lingo.[/QUOTE]I had an hour of sleep, then worked for the next 14 hours. No mercy for the wicked.

As for the strange girl, she was actually staring me down for the rest of the evening. I don't think they get a lot of foreigners who speak Russian there, honestly.

Another interesting thing I got from Sveta was the WG's perspective on our favorite Moscow whoring venues:

NF - cheaper (!) than HotDog, richer clientele, but stricter face-control, and has recently been swamped with Novie Russkie

HotDog - high cover, lots of traffic, easy to pick up customers, but recently swamped with chyornie

Metelitsa and Golden Palace - wealthy clientele, but swamped with "solidnie" types (you know who I'm talking about)

Also of note. She said that all WGs in NF must give their passports to be scanned by the management. So, boyz, if you're ever ripped off by a NF girl, go and talk to them. They should at least be able to identify her. But good luck in motivating the Moskovskaya militsia in doing anything other than extracting bribes from pedestrians and motorists.

Had another weird night tonight. My buddy texts me around midnight to tell me that he's out with 2 total hotties and needs a wingman. Now understand, I'm not one to turn down such random acts of kindness, but guys, I'd only had an hour of sleep (see my previous HotDog report) and was still finishing up my work for the night. After some coffee and a shower, I was ready to go and only needed to know where. He handed the phone to his driver and I got the address: Olympic Stadium. What sort of club or bar, I was wondering, would be in the Olympic Stadium? So I grabbed a gypsy cab and headed to Olympisky Prospect in search of my friend and his two dyevushki. I hook up with his driver in the parking lot, and he directs me to a door of a club called "Ko Ko" (at least that's what's above the door). Inside, it's clearly a strip club and has "Show Girls" plastered everywhere. I wonder if I have the right place, as it looks like a cross between Hot Dog, a strip club and a sports bar. So, I pay the 1000R cover and immediately see my friend and his "hotties". One is truly quite good looking (a brunette), but her blonde friend doesn't do it for me at all. Anyway, it's clear that neither of these girls is interested in me either (I barely got a "hello"), so I direct my attention to the talent within the club. Roughly 40 girls of all shape, color and size. And I counted at least 5 girls that were truly stunning, with the majority squarely in the "hot" category. The format is Deja Vu style, with more of a burlesque element (theatrical and musical shows punctuate the stripteases on stage). Like Deja Vu, there are no lapdances, and you must got to a curtained area on the sides or back to have a 1500R private dance (for which they often were having 2-for-1 promotions). That was still too rich for my cheap ass, so I just jacked off in situ (kidding). If I had been in a strip club mood, it would have been much better, but this just wasn't the night for me. Didn't see any "crazy menu", but as with anywhere in Moscow, FS is usually just a matter of negotiating.

[QUOTE=Helena Moscow]In Sheraton? 200$? For "love in the air"? =))) Good fantasy. Some guys can believe.[/QUOTE]I'm with Helena on this one, unless you're talking about ST (which is typically a lobby girl's MO anyway) or a follow-up date. My info for LT in a good hotel is that they start at $400, and move quickly up from there. Of course there are so many variables (particular hotel, season, time of night, day of week, level of attraction, sugar daddy potential), that the standard deviation is probably pretty damn high. Who's signing up for the chi-square analysis? :P

Hi,

I would like to receive some updated replies about these important questions, I am sure they are easy for the master mongers of Moscow thread:

- Hotel vs. flat: is actually a dangerous choice to rent a flat in Moscow????? I mean, for example, in Kiev it is cheap and safe. What is the real difference of a flat rent between Moscow and Kiev?

- Quality of sex: on "moslove" site, I found a lot of girls agreeing deep throat blowjobs and anal sex, I wonder: are they more liar than Ukrainian girls or is that the reality?

[QUOTE=Pizdyets]I'm with Helena on this one, [/QUOTE]

Ditto. The girls there are about volume and high utilization rate. I was in Sheraton about a year ago with a friend who was staying there. I inquired about pricing and the first thing she asked was whether I was a guest at the Sheraton or not. I told her I was not and that I had an apartment near Pushkinskaya. She told me $800 and I thought she was joking and tried to negotiate but she would not budge.

It was only about 10:00 PM and since I was not prepared to pay $800 we decided to stay put and track the comings and going of Miss Hottie. When we left the bar at 2:00 AM, we had watched her leave and come back three times with three different guys for an average of about 40 minutes a shift. Of course, she made a point of waving at us each time she returned to the bar and then ignored us. Sort of a "screw you" gesture I think. While I did not follow her to any rooms, logic would suggest that she turned at least three tricks with hotel guests in a four hour period. At $300 - $400 a pop, that made for a petty respectable night I would say.

[QUOTE=Pizdyets]I'm with Helena on this one, unless you're talking about ST (which is typically a lobby girl's MO anyway) or a follow-up date. My info for LT in a good hotel is that they start at $400, and move quickly up from there. Of course there are so many variables (particular hotel, season, time of night, day of week, level of attraction, sugar daddy potential), that the standard deviation is probably pretty damn high. Who's signing up for the chi-square analysis? :P[/QUOTE][QUOTE=Jake993] I told her I was not and that I had an apartment near Pushkinskaya. She told me $800 and I thought she was joking and tried to negotiate but she would not budge.
[/QUOTE]In theory I am ALSO with Helena on this, but I have no reason to exaggerate to give anyone false hope. That's just the way it went down. I've got even stranger stories I may post someday. My point being, it doesn't hurt to ask with a smile.
[QUOTE=Helena Moscow]In Sheraton? 200$? For "love in the air"? =))) Good fantasy. Some guys can believe.
[/QUOTE]Helena, about 2 years ago I offered a girl $150 and she accepted. We'd seen each other the day before there as well, but didn't leave just chatted. Dropping off the same friend the next day as I wasn't staying at the hotel, we spoke just briefly agreed on price and left together.

And by "love is in the air" I am being sarcastic, i.e. it means she was getting nothing else that night and had nowhere else to go, so she took what was offered. I didn't even have to bargain that hard, it was my first offer. I know very well it didn't have anything to do with "love" or my blue eyes.

Like I posted, I am sure they are ASKING $300-500. It doesn't hurt to try, I'm sure they get it sometimes... maybe even often and by now probably even more.

Doesn't hurt for us to try and get a more appropriate price either. Accept the fact that for a lot of people sex with prostitutes is not worth what the lobby girl/escort market is asking right now. I know you are selling yourself for as much as you can get and I fully understand that, but don't feel insulted when some of us aren't interested.

By the way, it's not just us. Many of my Russian friends, most of them "direktors" 35-45 years old are also not going to prostitutes anymore. They earn good money, but can't justify paying so much for simple pussy. They'd rather buy some new shoes or use the money as a down payment on a weekend holiday to Sochi.

On a side note for reference, I was quoted $500 at Peter 1 a couple weeks back... was really funny too, because the girl was a "5" at best. When dropping people off at hotels I often ask the WGs how much just to hear what they say and the usual prices are $300-500. Nobody has yet had the nerve to ask for $800, but then again I've never asked anybody at the Ritz yet... ))

You probably won't tell us Helena, but what was the MOST anybody ever gave you and what were the circumstances? One girl in St.Pete told me a guy regularly gave her something like $1000 just to chat. She thought that would somehow impress me or make me pay more. I just felt sorry for the guy. She was a horrible conversationalist. ))[QUOTE=Jake993]When we left the bar at 2:00 AM, we had watched her leave and come back three times with three different guys for an average of about 40 minutes a shift. Of course, she made a point of waving at us each time she returned to the bar and then ignored us. Sort of a "screw you" gesture I think. While I did not follow her to any rooms, logic would suggest that she turned at least three tricks with hotel guests in a four hour period. At $300 - $400 a pop, that made for a petty respectable night I would say.[/QUOTE]If she was actually banging these guys and had a 40 minute turn around time, she wasn't even SHOWERING between knob jobs and pokes. Could also be she didn't actually score. I've observed a lot of bar action at hotels and girls often talk a long time to the Russian guests without scoring. They chat and chat, maybe even take a stroll and eventually he leaves alone. These are guests. I think the Russians have a different attitude to the game, they feel no obligation to go with the girl just because they talked with her. Western guys are often different in this sense, accepting the girl's "Time is money, you're wasting mine." attitude.

Pizdyets,

Great enlightining report :)

Pyzdiest:

I think that we should have a beer or 2 one day together :-)

After the great firsttime in saloon Charmel, I decided to return there.

I confirm again that the price was 4500 - told on the phone, asked straight by the girl... no doubt that they have increased their prices.

I arrived but girls were not ready so i had to wait 10 minutes in the street with the guy who pick you up... Btw quite a sympathic man.

Then i went in, as usual 10 girls, all great, and guys it starts to frighten me, it could easily becomes a drug hard to resist...

Anyway, my choice went on Nadia...
[url]http://www.charmel.biz/girl_page.phtml?tbl=pict&id=112&gid=7[/url]

Quite a weird choice as she was probably one of the less attractive women, but I wanted big breast and she had, and I don't know, she got something in her face that looked like a promise.

She is quite like on the pictures, with some more kilos, but also with some bigger boobs.

I paid my 4500, then the shower, then we lied on the bed, and then I have received one of the best blow job i had in moscow in one year, maybe even the best one. I specially like how she put slightly her boobs on your nuts, while taking the entire bone in her mouth... just amazing....
Then fuck was good.

All in all, a nice session, and I have decided to test all the girls of this saloon before the end of the year.

Defenetly a must.

[QUOTE=Doctor_Skank]Helena, about 2 years ago I offered a girl $150 and she accepted.[/QUOTE]Skank, 2 years ago was 2 years ago. It's 2008 now. Cost of living changed. But even 2 years ago girls payed for the possibility to work in a hotel, they payed for drinks in the bar and restaurant food when get hungry. Plus transport. No discounts for girls. To arrange a working day in a hotel is about 70-100$ per day. Just for a chance to make some money. Count yourself how much the girl should charge to cover the risk and get profit. A hint: clients are not guaranteed. There are empty days, too. And in these days expences remain.

[QUOTE=Doctor_Skank]You probably won't tell us Helena, but what was the MOST anybody ever gave you and what were the circumstances? One girl in St.Pete told me a guy regularly gave her something like $1000 just to chat. She thought that would somehow impress me or make me pay more.[/QUOTE]The biggest amount for the evening was 5000$. In 1995. No special conditions. The guy was a prince. I know a girl in NF who after one night got an apartment from a chineese guy. In 1993. Not a regular thing, but possible. I believe that someone gives to St.Pete's girl 1000$ for a chart. Especially if the guy is Russian. But "regularly" can be once a month, or once in half a year, or once a year.

[QUOTE=Helena Moscow]Skank, 2 years ago was 2 years ago. It's 2008 now. Cost of living changed. But even 2 years ago girls payed for the possibility to work in a hotel, they payed for drinks in the bar and food when get hungry. Plus transport. No discounts for girls. Calculate yourself how much it would become. I don't want to argue if you had this girl for this rate or not. Probably she went with you for 150 our of charity, or may be you hypnotised her with your charms about which you write all the time, or she was probably desperate... This is an exeption, not a regular thing. I don't understand why you should give others false expectations. For this rate guys will hardly find someone even in tochka. And later they will come on this forum and write that Moscow girls became crazy bitches and tried to cheat them. Your stories are interesting, but they are fairytales. Din't mean to offend you...[/QUOTE]You haven't offended me Helena and I certainly don't write fairy tales. I never said that it was in anyway normal and certainly said that normal price was at least $300.

Nobody expects charity in Moscow or anywhere else for that matter, but I still don't mind if I relate stories to the forum of things that actually happened.

And no, I didn't do any hypnotizing. Maybe she was just bored or frustrated. Maybe she was desperate for cash and had to cut her losses. Who knows.

In Germany I have met FKK girls outside of the club and screwed them for free. One of them even asked the manager if we could use the facilities for our own games after hours and she let us. Romped from 2-6am with a pro, no cash involved. Even filmed it on video.

Met the manager of a bar in St.Petersburg about three weeks ago and drank for free two nights straight, taking home very cute 21 year olds on both nights for free. They've never asked for anything except that I come back really soon. We only talked about life, art, Kundera and photography. For some reason that seems to turn girls on.

Maybe nobody wants to believe that either, but that's not my problem. It happened.

Life has less rules than you think.[QUOTE=Helena Moscow]I know a girl in NF who after one night got an apartment from a chineese guy. In 1993. Not a regular thing, but possible.[/QUOTE]With today's prices, I'd fuck a Chinese guy for an apartment in Moscow. But it would have to be Chisty Prudi. ))

By the way, apartment construction down 58% in first 2 quarters of 2008. Real estate may level out soon.

[QUOTE=Doctor_Skank]
Life has less rules than you think.[/QUOTE]

Not to insult you Skank, but I don't want you giving Helena any bad habits about the use of the English language. Therefore, at the risk of patronizing you, I would like to share a lesson I learned in high school English class.

There are two words that can often mean the same thing but are often used incorrectly. They are "less" and "fewer".

When you are referring to something that cannot be easily measured, like grains of sand on the beach, the number of stars in the sky, or the amount of bullshit being written on this site, it is considered proper to use the word "less". For example, "Dr. Skank writes less bullshit on ISG than Jake993".

However, when you refer to something that can easily be counted like the number of beers you had last night, the number of orgasms she had this evening, or the number of girls you slept with last year, it is considered appropriate to use the word "fewer". For example, "Life has fewer rules than you think".

Mind you, in your case I suppose that when referring to the number of girls you slept with last year, it might well be appropriate to use the word "less".

Sorry for busting your chops....

[QUOTE=Passepartout]
Pyzdiest [sic],
I think that we should have a beer or 2 one day together :-)
[/QUOTE]

Sure, go ahead and PM me. I'm still weighing my options for tonight (Friday).

[QUOTE=Passepartout]
After the great firsttime in saloon Charmel, I decided to return there.
[/QUOTE]

Not to patronize, but I was like you about 2 years ago - a wide-eyed kid in the candy store. But similar to my ennui of strip clubs, salons lost their glamour and novelty after a few visits. Not that I don't still visit occasionally (esp after a long night of drinking and/or striking out), but it just doesn't have the same level of anticipation and mystery.

[QUOTE=Passepartout]
I confirm again that the price was 4500 - told on the phone, asked straight by the girl... no doubt that they have increased their prices.
[/QUOTE]

Strange that Fantasy's and Charmel would have different pay scales. And the fact that they're advertising on several websites as still having 4000R/hr. Warrants some research. :)


[QUOTE=Passepartout]
Anyway, my choice went on Nadia...
[/QUOTE]

Nadia was my first choice on the internet as well, but for some reason she just doesn't strike a chord in real life. That said, one of my colleagues tapped her exclusively on every visit and claimed she was the best. Glad you had a similar experience!

[QUOTE=Helena Moscow]
The biggest amount for the evening was 5000$. In 1995. No special conditions. The guy was a prince.
[/QUOTE]

Doc, you're asking Helena for the maximum she made in an evening, whereas I'd be asking how little (ie how [B]few[/B] dollars, Jake) she demanded for an evening's services recently. Now that's something she wouldn't want to admit to, especially on this forum. :)

No one's prince,
Pizdyets