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[QUOTE=KbNagar;2942080]When I was dozing, she started seducing me. I woke up and we had a deed. This girl wanted DATY so badly she pushed my head against her kitty. She was very wet by the time. Had a good session. We rested, and she was all over me -- biting my nipples, playing with my balls, running her hand around my chest hair and the likes. Went out and grabbed coffee and her romantic gestures continued. She had to go home before it was late, and I gave her some money (3 k) and she just took it and left. It was too romantic for me. Haven't experienced this since I was in my 20's. Very surreal.[/QUOTE]The transactional nature you were looking for (P-4-P) is fine with pro's, but for many regular Filipina who occasionally dabble in prostitution, that approach suggests in their minds that they are about to engage in actual prostitution (puta), or horing. Keeping the conversation more romantic, and leading to quick sex (seen as passion, not prostitution), is more respectable in her mind. Getting some compensation at the end might be some icing on the cake for her. In her mind, she never agreed to any P-4-P in the run-up to sex. There is a blurring of the lines of what prostitution actually is among persons outside the western world.

[QUOTE=KbNagar;2942080]This girl wanted DATY so badly she pushed my head against her kitty. She was very wet by the time. Had a good session. We rested, and she was all over me -- biting my nipples, playing with my balls, running her hand around my chest hair and the likes. SNIP Haven't experienced this since I was in my 20's. Very surreal.[/QUOTE]This type of girl can be a real blessing, as they often throw themselves in the sexual situation, often hoping that more than P-4-P develops (like, a real relationship with a foreigner).

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;2942089]The transactional nature you were looking for (P-4-P) is fine with pro's, but for many regular Filipina who occasionally dabble in prostitution, that approach suggests in their minds that they are about to engage in actual prostitution (puta), or horing. Keeping the conversation more romantic, and leading to quick sex (seen as passion, not prostitution), is more respectable in her mind. Getting some compensation at the end might be some icing on the cake for her. In her mind, she never agreed to any P-4-P in the run-up to sex. There is a blurring of the lines of what prostitution actually is among persons outside the western world.
[/QUOTE]Dude, why don't you have this fed to an LLM which I can query in realtime to understand the situation. . You just nailed it. Its possible that's what is on their minds.

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;2942089]
This type of girl can be a real blessing, as they often throw themselves in the sexual situation, often hoping that more than P-4-P develops (like, a real relationship with a foreigner).[/QUOTE]Yeah, she talked about hating filipina men and was looking for foreign men. It all adds up. This all needs to be in an LLM BTW.

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I checked with her again, on whether she was doing this for $$. I wanted to fix the rates. She again repeated being bored at home and wanted to be out. Less talk when we walked and many romantic gestures. My jetlag was hitting me and we decided to come to my room.

[/QUOTE]This can get super confusing.

On one hand it's a huge mistake to think that every pina will fuck any guy as long as she gets paid. There are many girls who would find this super offensive and will only sleep with a guy if there is some sort of connection. Often there is no expectation of a cash payment and any offer will be refused and may even be insulting: eg. I once had one girl who refused to see me again as I gave her too much money for her taxi fare home, saying that I thought of her as a hoe.

Balance that with it's perfectly normal in Asian cultures for the guy to support his girlfriend. He will be the one paying for meals, transport and even help out with incidental costs. This is seen as a normal part of the whole relationship and certainly not seen as a $$$ per bang transaction.

Then in the middle you have the many girls who will go out with someone they find attractive enough to eventually sleep with but there is a tacit understanding that she's not going to go home empty handed. Again, she may be offended by a straight out price per hour request but will not reject 4 k taxi money or 'help' with rent, student fees etc. The further apart he and she are in age, looks and social standing the more conditional and greater this expectation will be.

Remember, it's all a game and it pays to play along.

Enjoy. G.

Goffering.

So, true. It was super confusing. To play this along, I was trying to be in touch with her. The girl was trying to avoid and checked whether I would give more money. When there was none, she stopped being in touch. This was bizzare. Its interesting to see girls under 20 playing this game. She is going to be 20 in Nov this year and she was up for this. When we had food or snacks outside, these girls (both the pro and the <20 girl) ordered the finest food and desserts. I was fine with paying, nevertheless surprising.

This is another experience I had. Found a girl on pinalove (she was 21 ish). She was open to meeting me. She asked whether I was open to her friend. Asked her to share the pic. Her friend was less than a 4 and above 30. I politely declined.

We met for dinner at Al Tarboush. The idea was to bar hop with her a bit and take her to my room. It was rainy evening and I paid for her bike ride. She felt cold and asked me to be cozy with her. She didn't like the middle eastern food and wanted burgers and shake. Ordered them. She was cold and felt stuck up. I asked her what the issue was. She mentioned that she is not interested in all this and wants to go back to her home town. BTW, this girl was wonderful to look, and well dressed with minimal makeup. I could see that she had good rack, with no bra (just a nipple cover). She mentioned her friend fooled her into coming to Makati. She was not a ho and did not want to be one. She mentioned that she did not want to sell her body! I almost fell of my chair. I asked her whether she wanted to leave. She was okay giving me company and make me happy since I had spent time and money to get her to Makati.

She was open going to a bar. We want into a bar, and ordered a SML. After a couple of sips, she mentioned that her friend is waiting for her. When I quizzed her further, it was apparent that she was a front for her friend. Take her and her friend along. Buy them food and drinks. In the room only her friend is active and she helps along. She is not interested in sex with strangers. Her job is to help her friend get clients; her friend takes care of her food and stay.

I gave her 500 pesos and asked her to leave. I did not want to do anything with her. It was bizzare.

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She was open going to a bar. We want into a bar, and ordered a SML. After a couple of sips, she mentioned that her friend is waiting for her. When I quizzed her further, it was apparent that she was a front for her friend.

[/QUOTE]As girls are now exposed to many, many more guys, bait and switch is becoming more common and diverse. It can be fronting for a less attractive girl; a long term LDR / sponsorship deal that magically vanishes when it's time for to meet for a quid pro quo or even redirection to add to a subscriber / follower count only.

Guys need to be alert to all three scams and time wasters.

G.

[QUOTE=KbNagar;2943071]She was open going to a bar. We want into a bar, and ordered a SML. After a couple of sips, she mentioned that her friend is waiting for her. When I quizzed her further, it was apparent that she was a front for her friend. Take her and her friend along. Buy them food and drinks. In the room only her friend is active and she helps along. She is not interested in sex with strangers. Her job is to help her friend get clients; her friend takes care of her food and stay.

I gave her 500 pesos and asked her to leave. I did not want to do anything with her. It was bizzare.[/QUOTE]Good report, even if its a negative outcome.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2943125]As girls are now exposed to many, many more guys, bait and switch is becoming more common and diverse. It can be fronting for a less attractive girl; a long term LDR / sponsorship deal that magically vanishes when it's time for to meet for a quid pro quo or even redirection to add to a subscriber / follower count only.

Guys need to be alert to all three scams and time wasters.[/QUOTE]You got to kiss some frogs before you meet. . .

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;2943127]Good report, even if its a negative outcome.

You got to kiss some frogs before you meet. . .[/QUOTE]Thanks Westie and G. Yes, this was a classic B & S. I have to find sometime to write up my makati report. Will find sometime.

[QUOTE=KbNagar;2943071]This is another experience I had. Found a girl on pinalove (she was 21 ish). She was open to meeting me. She asked whether I was open to her friend. Asked her to share the pic. Her friend was less than a 4 and above 30. I politely declined.
I gave her 500 pesos and asked her to leave. I did not want to do anything with her. It was bizzare.[/QUOTE]One wonders whether we should just come out and say what we want, respectfully, to cut out all the BS.

With TF & other social meetings its coffee only. Got caught in KL at seafood restaurant once for a big fat nothing. Not again.

I'm not interested in investing 2/3 days to get the prize. I'm very much: this is me, that is you, do we find each other appealing enough to have some fun, if so how much?

Based on their responses on TF or in chatting I tend to sus out whether they are a player or not and what's possible.

Some time I just come out and say do you do ST? Too many fish. Esp when you might be there for 1/2 wks.

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With TF & other social meetings its coffee only. Got caught in KL at seafood restaurant once for a big fat nothing. Not again.

I'm not interested in investing 2/3 days to get the prize. I'm very much: this is me, that is you, do we find each other appealing enough to have some fun, if so how much?

.[/QUOTE]Stupid me, I once asked a girl what she would like for dinner in Ayala, Cebu. 2 k for a delicious Italian meal later, I asked if she wanted to come back to the hotel and she replied she doesn't sleep with guys on the first date but next time will be fine. My reply was that if 2 k ends in a handshake, then there won't be a second date. 'maybe we could go relax for a while. '.

I'm all for pretending and playing the game but you can't let it get out of hand.

Enjoy. G.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2943147]Stupid me, I once asked a girl what she would like for dinner in Ayala, Cebu. 2 k for a delicious Italian meal later, I asked if she wanted to come back to the hotel and she replied she doesn't sleep with guys on the first date but next time will be fine. My reply was that if 2 k ends in a handshake, then there won't be a second date. 'maybe we could go relax for a while. '.

I'm all for pretending and playing the game but you can't let it get out of hand.

Enjoy. G.[/QUOTE]Very interesting. One thing I observed with Phils girls are that they lack reality. They are being constantly fed that they are the most beautiful folks and its slowly going into their heads.

[QUOTE=KbNagar;2943175]Very interesting. One thing I observed with Phils girls are that they lack reality. They are being constantly fed that they are the most beautiful folks and its slowly going into their heads.[/QUOTE]I came across this YouTube that perhaps Pinas aren't as traditional as many would think. It has a few inconvenient truths.

G.

[URL]https://youtu.be/gI_Tr53VDrU?si=O0msMn7RnxTo2eFq[/URL]

[QUOTE=Goferring;2943188]I came across this YouTube that perhaps Pinas aren't as traditional as many would think. It has a few inconvenient truths.

G.

[URL]https://youtu.be/gI_Tr53VDrU?si=O0msMn7RnxTo2eFq[/URL][/QUOTE]The narrator makes some points, but I would argue that he paints Filipinas with too broad of a stroke. Of course you will find non-traditional women in the cities, especially if you're mongering. But I think that if you look outside of there, most women are more traditional.

There are a lot of single moms in their late teens and early 20's. Many girls partner and do not get married immediately, and often with parents blessing, because a wedding is expensive, and the laws surrounding marriage are not fair. Then, when the boyfriend decides this life isn't for him, she is left behind with a kid. After this, the girl is left wanting a family. A complete family. So she meets another man and tries to recreate a family. Having sex is easier because it is part of a relationship, and eventually a second baby comes along.

But if you look at traditional gender roles, most Filipinas do fill those roles well. They can clean and cook and take care of (lots of) kids. They can work, too, but most relish the opportunity to be a housewife, if given the opportunity. And for all the talk we have on this board about willing Filipinas, and there are many, the country has 110 million people, and this represents just a fraction of the women. If you look in a brothel, you will find hookers. If you look online at dating sites, you will find some women in it for scams or prostitution, just like anywhere else. What you see depends where you look.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2943188]I came across this YouTube that perhaps Pinas aren't as traditional as many would think. It has a few inconvenient truths.

[URL]https://youtu.be/gI_Tr53VDrU?si=O0msMn7RnxTo2eFq[/URL][/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Aml3740;2943319]The narrator makes some points, but I would argue that he paints Filipinas with too broad of a stroke. Of course you will find non-traditional women in the cities, especially if you're mongering. But I think that if you look outside of there, most women are more traditional.[/QUOTE]Agree with AML here. I think the video confuses a western view (or the narrator's view) and the eastern view of 'traditional'. His first bone of contention: Previously, filipina were somehow too shy to have sex before marriage, but modern filipinas are pumping out babies at a young age before marriage. Hence, they are no longer traditional. Not sure if that is correct.

The vid takes the viewpoint that traditional means that a girl didn't have sex before marriage. That would be out of keeping in latin-catholic countries where girls are encouraged to start having babies at a younger age (married or not). Accordingly, the majority of Mexican and Filipinas could not be trad-wives (regardless of how good she is at being such).

Its quite possible in Phils that your asawa has had multiple fellas, multiple kids, and still loves you while she revels in the role of asawa. To wit, here, she might dutifully perform (if not enjoys): Cleaning the house, running errands (indicates in her mind your trust in her to handle money, something she hasn't had before), washing clothes by hand, ironing, stepping into the shower and washing your hard-to-reach places, buy / prepare food and cooking, and paying the bills (with *your* money; and my God until recently before Paymaya and GC that often had to be done by paying each bill in person standing in a long line and in cash). A pinay once said to me: "You are providor. I will do all so that you can relax and not worry of any. Its my job as asawa". Sweetie, what does that include for you? "Tanan (everything). I cook, clean the house, pay the bills, wash the clothes, clean the dishes, shop the foods and shop for the home, children to the school, raise the kids at the cathedral with my mom and titas. You don't need to worry of any". And? "Hahaha. Sex!" If only your western ex-wife had this attitude?

You are more likely to get this away from the big smoke. The provinces are littered with women like this. Someone on this board posted a video a few months ago from YT*, which showed a Filipina in her home, videotaping her day doing the above, diligently preparing meals, cleaning, and doing other things the way her live-in foreigner wanted done. I find many pinay, including most of my nawty regulars, are similar: After a few visits, they have often fallen into similar behavior between pops -- cleaning, preparing food, then washing the dishes, and organizing my place, etc; it just seems to be built into them.

What does it take to keep this woman happy? Make sure that there is adequate income to pay the rent, repairs, food, own a vehicle (could be as simple as a motorcycle), and pay utility bills (this is what she means when she says she wants a simple life). 'Go around' with her once or twice a month (take her on a date, anywhere there is food, drink, and music, away from her kids). Offer to take her and her parents to lunch once a month. That's about it. You can thrill her by buying one of those electronic videoke machines that hooks into your TV for family sing-a-longs.

So, somewhat disagree with the vid. I know that I have just painted a very rosy picture of near-perfection, and given an overarching generalization. So, caveat: Not all Filipina are this way. But, many more are like this than in my home country. I believe that this might be the one that was posted previously:

* [URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dOiU55spJIo[/URL].

His item #5: Traditional values honor honesty and integrity. But filipina culture is to lie a lot. Hence, they are not traditional. Not sure where his definition of 'traditional' is, but it seems to come from his own past and ethnocentricity.

While this post appears to make a different case than Goferring intended, I think the video is spot-on in its description of the people here. Lying, scamming, pre-marital sex, ladyboy-ism, are simply ways of life here. I'm just not sure that they have anything to do with 'traditional', as traditional is unique to each culture?

Final caveat: Take her out of Phils to your country, and you might find that she begins to change, and to lose some of those rosy 'home-body' behaviors that she had in Phils.

Brought this skinny little critter into the city a few months ago. And I mean little (sub 5' and 32 kg). Extraordinary good few days. The things I put up with.