[QUOTE=Piper1]I have, and I work with many Gulf Arabs every day.[/QUOTE]Is it my fault you work in an oilfield while I enjoy working with pros in a five star hotel?
Oops, sorry, that is the WG´s! ;)
Come on Piper, you know what I mean!
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[QUOTE=Piper1]I have, and I work with many Gulf Arabs every day.[/QUOTE]Is it my fault you work in an oilfield while I enjoy working with pros in a five star hotel?
Oops, sorry, that is the WG´s! ;)
Come on Piper, you know what I mean!
[QUOTE=King Tut22]Hello Everyone,
I have browsing ISG forums for a while and I must say I am overly impressed by the wealth of knowledge available. You guys truly know what you are doing.
I will be visiting BKK for the first time late January and I had a question with regards to TG's view & potential treatment of guys who are not Caucasians.
I was born and raised in Canada but I am of Middle Eastern origins. I have done a bit of research and found contradicting information about this.
I understand that Arabs, specifically from the Gulf region, can be annoying at times and may not give the best first impressions. How can I avoid being stereotyped? Will I be denied entry to Bars/MP’s? Will I be able to find a decent TG to have some fun with?
How do you guys feel about this? Your input will be greatly appreciated.
KT[/QUOTE]Maby a problem? Many arab in soi 7½
So if its a problem you can stay there.
[QUOTE=Dragon1423]Forum,
I have searched the forum, but have not seen this issue addressed. If customs would search your bags upon arrival in Bangkok and find some "toys you brought for your girlfriend" would this be a problem since these "toys" are not readily available for sale in Bangkok? I am sure this has been discussed in the forum somewhere, however if someone knows where please direct me to the proper thread or provide the latest information on this subject. Are the customs procedures about the same in the new airport as the old? Any information is appreciated, thanks.
D1423[/QUOTE]"Toys" seem to be no problem! Recently returned from 30 days in BKK and if I was to be searched at Customs I would of had to wake up the Officers! I have searched and did'nt find any mention of this being a problem. And there are Toys available there as well. Just ask vendors on Sukhumvit. I also arrived with Eggs for my friends with no concerns. More trouble with bringing in 5 cartons of cigarettes from the US, 200 is the max your allowed. That concerned me more than the eggs (toy)
Haven't we had this discussion numerous times before?
While it is true that body odor is a key factor that contributes to the Thais' dislike of Arabs, Indians, Africans etc., it's not the only thing. Behavior is of course another huge factor as this group while not related ethnically has a collective habit of acting poorly in this country.
The bottom line is though that Thai women don't want to be with men of this type for the obvious common reason that they are all dark-skinned. Thais are racists. They don't like dark skin. Thais worship white skin. It has been said many times here. A Thai woman, even one paid-for loses face being seen on the street with a dark-skinned man. However, being seen with a white-skinned man, even if he's gross, fat and 100 years old is for some inexplicable reason somehow better. The exceptions are the fat freelancers around the Arab area of soi 3 and the Grace Hotel who can't get anything but "Kaek" (as the Thais say) and so obviously target this group.
King Tut
Of course, because this is Bangkok and options are numerous and varied, you'll still be successful and probably have a good time, especially if you take the advice you've been given.
Just be prepared for some negative reactions and refusal in some venues and just accept it as the nature of the culture and don't get too bothered by it.
[QUOTE=Old Thai Hand]Haven't we had this discussion numerous times before?
While it is true that body odor is a key factor that contributes to the Thais' dislike of Arabs, Indians, Africans etc., it's not the only thing. Behavior is of course another huge factor as this group while not related ethnically has a collective habit of acting poorly in this country.
The bottom line is though that Thai women don't want to be with men of this type for the obvious common reason that they are all dark-skinned. Thais are racists. They don't like dark skin. Thais worship white skin. It has been said many times here. A Thai woman, even one paid-for loses face being seen on the street with a dark-skinned man. However, being seen with a white-skinned man, even if he's gross, fat and 100 years old is for some inexplicable reason somehow better. The exceptions are the fat freelancers around the Arab area of soi 3 and the Grace Hotel who can't get anything but "Kaek" (as the Thais say) and so obviously target this group.
King Tut
Of course, because this is Bangkok and options are numerous and varied, you'll still be successful and probably have a good time, especially if you take the advice you've been given.
Just be prepared for some negative reactions and refusal in some venues and just accept it as the nature of the culture and don't get too bothered by it.[/QUOTE]All these post are very good! Just remember for every one that wont accept you there are 50 that will! Money is all they want and if you have it your in!
Just when walking Suk be courteous to fellow parade participants and vendors and you will be seen as a Canadian (You'll see what I mean when you get there)
Have a good time and forget the negatives, SMILE ALOT!
Oh! almost forgot "Don't fall in love"
Well, I already smile alot as it is, and I am not planning on falling in love again.
Been there done that and was not very impressed.
KT
[QUOTE=Rikusa]All these post are very good! Just remember for every one that wont accept you there are 50 that will! Money is all they want and if you have it your in!
Just when walking Suk be courteous to fellow parade participants and vendors and you will be seen as a Canadian (You'll see what I mean when you get there)
Have a good time and forget the negatives, SMILE ALOT!
Oh! almost forgot "Don't fall in love"[/QUOTE]
Rikusa,
Thanks for the quick response to my question on toys. That's what I thought, never been searched going through Bangkok, but with the new airport, first time through, was a bit concerned about possible new custom procedures. Also will check to see what can be found on Sukumvit. Thanks, again.
D1423
[QUOTE=Dragon1423]Forum,
I have searched the forum, but have not seen this issue addressed. If customs would search your bags upon arrival in Bangkok and find some "toys you brought for your girlfriend" would this be a problem since these "toys" are not readily available for sale in Bangkok? I am sure this has been discussed in the forum somewhere, however if someone knows where please direct me to the proper thread or provide the latest information on this subject. Are the customs procedures about the same in the new airport as the old? Any information is appreciated, thanks.
D1423[/QUOTE]
I have taken 'vibes' of verious types into Thailand several times and have never worried. Not in commercial quantities of course.
Some girls really love them but are far too shy to buy them personally.
Rikusa got it right. SMILE ALOT - Don't fall in love - and I'll add:
If there is ANY negativity move along to the next person, venue. Time is too precious to worry about things that probably don't concern most holiday makers.
[QUOTE=Old Thai Hand]Haven't we had this discussion numerous times before?
While it is true that body odor is a key factor that contributes to the Thais' dislike of Arabs, Indians, Africans etc., it's not the only thing. Behavior is of course another huge factor as this group while not related ethnically has a collective habit of acting poorly in this country.
The bottom line is though that Thai women don't want to be with men of this type for the obvious common reason that they are all dark-skinned. Thais are racists. They don't like dark skin. Thais worship white skin. It has been said many times here. A Thai woman, even one paid-for loses face being seen on the street with a dark-skinned man. However, being seen with a white-skinned man, even if he's gross, fat and 100 years old is for some inexplicable reason somehow better. The exceptions are the fat freelancers around the Arab area of soi 3 and the Grace Hotel who can't get anything but "Kaek" (as the Thais say) and so obviously target this group.
King Tut
Of course, because this is Bangkok and options are numerous and varied, you'll still be successful and probably have a good time, especially if you take the advice you've been given.
Just be prepared for some negative reactions and refusal in some venues and just accept it as the nature of the culture and don't get too bothered by it.[/QUOTE]That is why I like this forum because you can really learn a lot. I personally like the darker Thais that I have seen in magazines. I didn't really see any while I was in Bangkok though. Are they racist with their own people this way or just non-Thai people?
Here is some news for all of you guys to be aware of:
New airport faces partial shutdown
Mistakes, graft found in almost all contracts
AMORNRAT MAHITTHIROOK
Poor construction at Suvarnabhumi may force parts of the new airport to be shut down for repairs. This would open the way for the recently abandoned Don Muang airport to be re-opened to serve Bangkok's air traffic needs.
Deputy Transport Minister Sansern Wongcha-um said yesterday that following a recent report on the problems facing Suvarnabhumi airport, it was likely that part of the new facility would have to be closed and Don Muang airport would pick up the slack.
Board member Yodyiam Theptranont, who heads a sub-panel investigating the problems, said the repairs would take a long time. He could not give a timeframe
PT
[QUOTE=Mr Enternational]That is why I like this forum because you can really learn a lot. I personally like the darker Thais that I have seen in magazines. I didn't really see any while I was in Bangkok though. Are they racist with their own people this way or just non-Thai people?[/QUOTE]
Go into any Thai chemist and you'll see racks of skin whitening/lightening products that Thai's who consider themselves too dark apply by the bucket load. Its something that applies not just to Thailand but also many other Asian countries.
It wasn't too long ago (before my time though!) that sun tans in the west were looked down upon as an indication that you worked outside i.e. a farmer or a labourer. Its only in the last 50 years or so(?) that getting tanned is a sign of wealth because you go on long haul holidays.
Understand that and you'll understand the way Thai's look down on people who are sun tanned. It's not so much an issue of race but more one of class.
This of course does NOT justify racism against ethnic groups in any shape or form. If any forum member experiences discrimination because of the colour of their skin please post a report and I will exercise my right to choose not to put my money in the hands of racists.
But as other forum members have said, for eveyone that says no 50 say yes.
[QUOTE=Mr Enternational]That is why I like this forum because you can really learn a lot. I personally like the darker Thais that I have seen in magazines. I didn't really see any while I was in Bangkok though. Are they racist with their own people this way or just non-Thai people?[/QUOTE]
Many types of discrimination exist.
And Thais plus other asians equally are considered to exercise racial as well as other discriminations.
Discrimination is probably a bad habit of people to generalise and put other people into categories based on their past experiences.
Some girls refuse me because I might have too big a dick. They like small dicks. This is a sort of predudice.
Some MPs want to charge me 500 or even 1000 Baht extra, supposedly because westerners may cause the girl damage but I bet the girl doesn't get all the extra.
Thais discriminate against guys that stink or are not polite (excusable), but may generalise and say that Vietnamese are not polite, or dark skinned races smell, or Indians are stingy, etc. But I know that westerners can be in all 3 of these categories as well.
The Thai Royal Palace entrance discrimates by requiring westerners to wear shoes and socks as a sign of respect where Thais may wear just sandals. They required me to hire shoes and socks because I only wore sandals.
This is blatant racial discrimination although they cannot see it.
Although Thais complain about experiencing racial predudice, they practise it just as much as anywhere else.
Maybe I have predudices myself but I am willing to be attracted to a girl from any race, colour or culture, provided it will not endanger my life, she is pretty, has a nice body (in my prefered stereotypes), clean, smells great, and doesn't have too many culture clashes.
I have been with beautiful black girls from Dominican Republic (or similar), with a Pakistan girl, and even 2 girls with Iranian origins who were very hot and sexy. Very few indeed of these girls were a disappointment.
[QUOTE=Silom]Rikusa got it right. SMILE ALOT - Don't fall in love - and I'll add:
If there is ANY negativity move along to the next person, venue. Time is too precious to worry about things that probably don't concern most holiday makers.[/QUOTE]Well thanks for all the information guys. My apologies if this topic has been raised before.
I will be in BKK on the 25th of Jan/07 and I am planning on enjoying my time to the max. The way I look it is if an individual judges me based on my skin then they are not even worth the effort.
KT
Here goes for my first report. It has been 6 months since I was last in Bangkok. On the flight back to the UK last time I made a decision that on my return I would embark on my first ever mongering experience.
Now I am not a stranger to Bangkok I have visited over 30 times on business during the last 9 years. I have been to many bars and go-go bars over the years and have learnt a few things during my experiences and from the reports I have read on this web site. However, during all that time and in the other places that I have visited I haven’t indulged in the pleasures you guys so readily discuss here, mainly because I have had a girlfriend and my conscience hasn’t allowed me to get away with it!
This time was different and I am single. I have spent many hours agonising over how, and when, and with whom. This trip was only for three days so I knew that I wasn’t going to have a lot of time to get it just right. I was staying at the Shangri-La and didn’t want to risk taking a girl back there. I thought about going for a soapie e.g. Poseidon but was unsure about whether there were any good looking girls there as many of the reports seemed contradictory. I had looked at a number of internet escort agencies but when it came to it I couldn’t be sure that what I was going to be greeted with was the same as on a website and with so little time I didn’t want to make a mistake that would cost me time. In a strange way I had a slightly romantic sense about my first time and definitely didn’t want to be haunted for the rest of my life by the face of a right old horse!
I decided to stick to what I know best and that is the go-go scene. My first evening I tried Soi Cowboy as on my last trip the best looking girls seemed to be found here. I think that at 9:30pm my luck was out as I didn’t see anyone that really caught my eye. I spent a bit of time in Baccara as the girls there are usually to my taste but when it came to it the only girl of interest had really bad teeth and I couldn’t face it. Next was Long Gun a good show and one attractive girl but somehow my interested diminished once I had seen her naked on stage! All in all not a great evening so I was just left with the hotel movies!!
The following day I didn’t finish my meetings until 8pm so not wanting to travel all the way across Bangkok to visit Nana I decided to go to Patpong. Now I know for some I have just given my soul to the devil but Patpong has always been good to me over the years and I know my way around. I checked out a few of the bars which were pretty quiet being mid week and couldn’t find what I was looking for. I ended up in Kings Corner which is well known for the LBs but they aren’t that difficult to spot as they usually all take the stage at the same time so that the height difference isn’t so obvious. I was only drinking cola which some of the girls found strange I think they expect all westerners to be beer monsters. Which I usually am but having witnessed a drunken friend get fleeced in Rainbow 2 a few years ago I don’t drink too much in the go-go bars and it is cheaper!
I was about to move on when a girl got on stage wearing a black bikini which was a bit strange as all the others were wearing pink! It was clear that this girls was late as she realise that she had the wrong colour on and had to go and get changed again. When she came back I found her quite attractive so invited her over. Bought the customary lady drink 145 baht (prices are going up!). Turns out that she was called Mai, 23 years old from Issan. Really nice figure spoke a little English and had a lovely smile which always does it for me. I decided that this should be the one. Paid the bar fine 500 baht. We went to play pool first as I wanted to know her a little better. Good job I don’t like to gamble as this girl would have hustled me out of a lot of cash as she thrashed me at pool!
Off to the ST hotel 400 baht. Amazing body on this girl and a great kisser. She didn’t rush me and made me feel fantastic willing to try a variety of positions. She came before I did but I wasn’t too far behind when we were going for it doggy style. We talked for a while and then she blew me for good measure. We hadn’t discussed a price beforehand and I am not a bad looking guy so I knew it wasn’t a big deal for her to go with me. Gave her 2000 baht which she seemed pleased with. I went back to my hotel for a Steak and a few beers not a bad night.
The following evening I did get to Nana but I couldn’t find another girl to measure up for my last night (fussy git aren’t I?) I will return again in the New Year and step up my activities. But I am pleased with my first experience on the whole. I have enclosed a photo of my first timer but I can’t share all the ones I have to remind me of her as I said that they wouldn’t be published!
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