Moscow

Jake

Smoothly put………..


Doc

Enough with the 3 years foreplay between you and Helena.

Shell out a few rubles and enjoy one of the few RU Devs you have not yet tasted. Or not:

300 Euros is simply too much for any pussy in a country full of national treasures. Then again you know that already. That’s why you have enjoyed so many Devs for free or in a reasonable price range.


Helena

Welcome to the world of capitalism combined with commission sales.

Most mongers may not have much sympathy for your plight as Moscow has one of the best economies in the world at the moment.

Shame that your marketing costs exceed your comfort level. It’s a harsh reality for all of us when daily costs interfere with monthly gross profits.

Between your life experience, connections made, command of the English language and your intelligence combined with the future of Russia there are quite a range of possibilities aside from the working life open to you. IMHO

Might be time to make better use of your skills.

Attempting to convince us that an evening with any female is worth a $5,000 or an apartment is a joke. AKA propaganda………….

Please stay out of the comedy business.


Guido88

Well after reading all the reports I decided to focus on free girls. There are lots of free girls to have; join the internet, chat in bars.

If you want good sex with a Russian girl, take a plane to Germany. In the FKK clubs you can have sex with all the girls for a fixed rate of 100 euro, including food and drinks. I would rather save my money on Russian pros in Moscow and fly to Germany once or twice a month.

The prices Helena mentioned are payed by some people who do not care about money at all. But even most rich guys do not overpay (one of the reasons they got rich) and last time I was in boarhouse there were enough girls willing to go for 200$. Of course they may ask more but in the weekdays and late at night most of them do not get a customer at all and are happy to go for 200$.

Do not overpay and spoil the market.

It is not different than any other business. If there is a lot of offer the prices go down. If nobody wants to pay this rediculous prices the price has to go down.

The reports on the carmel clubs sound like fair business to me. These girls are much better looking than the average hotdog or lobby girl and they are even cheaper. And if their service sucks you can always complain to the manager. Less change of scam here.

Tiffany

[QUOTE=Helena Moscow]In Sheraton? 200$? For "love in the air"? =))) Good fantasy. Some guys can believe.




IT, Victoria is right. I also don't understand why you still mislead the others promoting this place full of problems. May be they hired you...

Guys, Izmailovo and Crown Plaza (Mezdunarodnaya) are the most difficult places in Moscow.[/QUOTE]


It is probably on ground on a different view...

A) I have the copy of the girls passport home (because they are always the same)... The room is already booked for two so I pay no addition.
B) They get a room card as all guest because they are normally registered in a double room with their documents (proper ones).
C) Beeing an hotel guest she goes and does exactly what I do...

Very simple ;) Any one who thinks I'm hired by the hotel is a little strange.

A same standard room (of course not really "same standard" but it works for me) goes in the city for 7-900 USD or more. For what shall I pay this... just for living in the Sheraton or at the Hayatt (where it goes for 1.200?).

I have never had problems alaso with normal gests during the day I take up for meetings, male or female makes no difference, they just register the ID when they get in and when they get out as it was in any Russian hotel.

The problem is simply that you get girls with unproper or no documents. By the way if you booked for one and you want to register for two you just have to go to the Recepion (not the security) at any time. If you just want the girl up register at the security before 23.00 at 23.30 they will knock at your door and tell you she has to go, or... just bribe 1000 RUR.

The thing is done for YOUR safety... nobody will steal anyting here because all is registered! That is the matter, perhaps something is a little bit fancy but I do not care of that.

[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=471670&postcount=912[/url]

Images from June 2006 of the classic working suite at Izmailovo Gamma /Delta the ones at Alfa in some aspect are better in some worse (Wi Fi not cable) better sofa and better minibar, no fax... But they have a good business centre (better than the Delta one).

IT

I just want to point out this.

I’m a self employed and may be Helena and Victoria do not look at money (for sure they look at the one they get)… so I have done a little search…

I book via a well known agency organizing my trips (hotel, train, cars, etc. since more than 10 years) so I get an invoice, and just pay within EU with a bank draft and get the regular paid invoice in Moscow. Last time for six nights in Alfa with the suites on the 28th floor, two transfers from DME, four transfers in the city (already planned with hired cars with drivers, usually I use the Metro otherwise) I paid 1370 € (visa application if needed is free of charge and if you want done for more days). Booked for two breakfast included, all transfer, registration and taxes. Internet, PC, photocopier, fax etc is all included. You have to pay only for non Moscow calls which I do from my Russian mobile.

Same situation working suite will be.. (on the cheap expedia)

Golden Ring: 1930 Euro excl transfer, breakfast, visa
Budapest: 2260, only breakfast included
SAS: 4.400!
Renaissance (normal room only) 2.300
Hyatt (normal room only) 4.000 and you pay even for Internet!
Etc etc… You get cheaper only more in outskirts and not well served by the metro.

I am travelling approx 35 weeks a year (not only in Russia of course!)… and get from the companies the fly tickets (Business) and a fixed amount per day (as it is in use in some companies in my country) for hotel and food, not of course if I take out customers or so… with the price difference, if you are careful, it makes around 50.000 € a year should I scrap them just because Victoria and Helena (too old for me in any case) do not like the hotel I’m living in?

In the last ten years of travel this made me approx. 500.000 € or… I mongered ten years from Ukraine to Brasil, from China to Romania for free… and got left at least 300.000 € eh eh eh

Bye bye and stop polemics on Izmailovo, if you see the report there are some mongers… been there… of course it’s not a five star but I’m not so sophisticated as Helena and Victoria and I do not care! For sure they get a lot more money than me… so!

Bye IT

[QUOTE=Pizdyets]Doc, you're asking Helena for the maximum she made in an evening, whereas I'd be asking how little (ie how [B]few[/B] dollars, Jake) she demanded for an evening's services recently.

No one's prince,

Pizdyets[/QUOTE]Pizdets, my rates are not a secret. Visit my site and read. They are non-negociable, as I prefer clients who can and want to afford them. If it's not you, fine. The matter of taste.

[QUOTE=It Travel]It is probably on ground on a different view.

A) I have the copy of the girls passport home (because they are always the same)... The room is already booked for two so I pay no addition.

B) They get a room card as all guest because they are normally registered in a double room with their documents (proper ones).

C) Beeing an hotel guest she goes and does exactly what I do.[/QUOTE]IT, I think you should always add this part of your posting when recommend Izmailovo. Otherwise these recommendatopns really create mess. Most of guys who call from there don't guess to book a room for two and get very much surprised at extra costs later.

[QUOTE=Helena Moscow]Pizdets, my rates are not a secret. Visit my site and read. They are non-negociable, as I prefer clients who can and want to afford them. If it's not you, fine. The matter of taste.

.[/QUOTE]


I will report this post to the administrator.

I have already expressed what I think about helena and her messages here:

- this forum is made by mongers for mongers. We shouldn't let someone who proposes her services post outside the "classified ads" threat.
- moreover it is not the first time we Can see Helena posting some quite agressive answers or ideas.

[QUOTE=Passepartout]I will report this post to the administrator.

I have already expressed what I think about helena and her messages here:

- this forum is made by mongers for mongers. We shouldn't let someone who proposes her services post outside the "classified ads" threat.
- moreover it is not the first time we Can see Helena posting some quite agressive answers or ideas.[/QUOTE]


Don't forget to complain to you mommy, too =))))

i thought i would try club pegas. it's website looked interesting; it's billed as a combination sauna/massage/strip club ( [url]http://club-pegas.ru[/url] ). never heard of one of those before. pegas is located at 31 ulitsa bratislavskaya, which is the 2nd to the last stop on the light green/lime metro line, south of the center.

i get to bratislavskaya station about 22:30 and have the good fortune to come up from the metro right onto the main street. i flag down a passing zhiguli (yes, old zhigulis never die, they just move to the suburbs) and i tell him where i'm going. he waves me into the car without even asking what i will pay.

it's a saturday night and bratislavskaya is lit up like a christmas tree. there are shopping centers, casinos, restaurants, night clubs, even a mcdonalds. it almost looks like the arbat, except on a smaller scale. as i travel around town, it occurs to me that, like all major world cities, moscow is not one city. there are dozens of cities in moscow, each neighborhood has a life of its own and is completely self-contained, with its own character.

dom 31 is located at the very end of the street, almost to the river. we pull into the parking lot and drive around the building, looking for some kind of sign, but nothing to be found. my driver stops and asks several people if they know where is club pegas, but no one has heard of it. so, this doesn't look good. i call the club and the woman confirms that we are in the right place. she tells me to look for the arka (arch) and then i have to go cherez arkoo (through the arch). looks like i will have to find this place pyeshkom (on foot), so i thank my driver and give him 100r, which he seems to be happy with and i set out to find the arka.

there are a lot of arkas in this town. it seems that i always have to go "cherez arkoo" when i'm hunting down dyevooshki. i finally find it, in the middle of the building. it was hidden in the dark, which is why we didn't see it before. so, i walk through the arka and on the other side i find... more darkness, nothing. i call pegas again to find out what's going on and the woman tells me that they are in the podvahl (basement). sure enough, there is a door attached to the side of the building, under the arka,
that leads to the basement.

at the bottom of the stairs, i am greeted by a young woman, maybe mid 20's, who is the administrator. she welcomes me in and asks me to follow her down the hall. this place is big, and strangely quiet, for a strip club. she ushers me into a big room and offers me a seat at one of the divans. looking around, i can see that there is a sauna built into one corner, and a big jacuzzi in the center of the room. the room has been tiled with white marble and looks like a turkish bath.

the administrator begins to rattle off my options. i can have 2 girls for 1.5 hours, the use of the sauna and jacuzzi, klassicheski massage and eroticheski massage, but no sex. so, i'm thinking this sounds like a good uption, until she tells me it's 7,500r. which is probably why no one is using the sauna on a saturday night. i guess they never heard about market pricing. i ask her what else is available and she offers 1 girl, for 1.5 hours, klassicheski and eroticheski massage, for 2250r. this sounds more like it.

but, i'm still curious about the strip club. the administrator tells me that the strip club "nye rabotaiyet" (it's not working). this happens a lot in russia, things nye rabotaiyet. no one can ever seem to explain why, they just don't. it's a russian thing. people start out with the best of intentions, but ultimately, it all falls apart and all you have is "nye rabotaiyet". i pay her and she leaves to fetch the dyeffki.

she returns with an even dozen girls, who line up and introduce themselves. i have to admit the selection is impressive. there are short ones, tall ones, blondes and brunettes and all definately do-able, if that were an option. i end up picking nissa, she's short, with a tight compact figure, almost buff. if nothing else, i should get a good massage. she also has a nice smile, always important.

nissa leads me into one of the massage rooms. there is a foam mattress on the floor, subdued lighting and a boom box for music. the room and the whole club is decorated in a sort of middle eastern motif. we head off to the shower and nissa guards the door while i am inside. they do a good job here of making sure that the customers don't bump into each other.

back to the room. nissa puts on the some music and it's basically the same deal as assorti. hand job to start, hand job to finish with a massage in between. nissa works diligently, both on the erotic and classic massage. she's from sotchi and she lives here with her 5 year old daughter. not married, no family, she had a job working in one of the casinos as a bartender, but couldn't make enough money to support her daughter, so here she is tugging on my knob. so much the better for me. she tells me that she's not too happy with the work, mainly because of the clientele. apparently, this neighborhood is mainly georgian and avkazian, so that's who her customers are. never met an amerikanyetz before.

when the 90 minutes are up, there is a knock at the door, which is interesting since there is no door, just a curtain draped over the entrance to the room. shower, dress, and the adminstrator seems to be genuinely concerned that i had a good time, "vsyo otlichnah" everything was excellent.

back up in the parking lot, i'm wondering how i will find a cab out here, but as luck has it, a taxi pulls into the lot to drop off some people and i approach the driver to tell him that i need to go back to tsentrom gorodye. he asks what i'm offering and i say 600r. he rolls his eyes and gives me a thumbs up, to the sky, as if to say, this is goona cost you. i say 800r, he says tuisach (1000r) and i'm on my way home.

hopefully i won't get an english lesson from jake! :))

[QUOTE=Passepartout]I will report this post to the administrator.

I have already expressed what I think about helena and her messages here:

- this forum is made by mongers for mongers. We shouldn't let someone who proposes her services post outside the "classified ads" threat.

- moreover it is not the first time we Can see Helena posting some quite agressive answers or ideas.[/QUOTE]I always enjoy Helena's reports and comments. She is in many ways a very interesting addition and correction to this forum. She adds another dimension! And when I go to Moscow next time I am happy to see her more intimately for the first time.

[QUOTE=Stravinsky]

Hopefully I won't get an English lesson from Jake! :))[/QUOTE]
Why do I get the feeling that I'm never going live this one down?

Thanks for the travelogue Strav - you are quite the adventurer these days.

[QUOTE=Helena Moscow]Don't forget to complain to you mommy, too =))))[/QUOTE]

Haha! BTW, Lenichka, to say that correctly po-anglisky, you'd say:
"Don't forget to complain to your mommy either." "Too" is always in the affirmative, "either" in the negative. Though your English seems to be quite good, that nuance is often lost by Russians. Just wanted to beat Jake to the punch. :P

Also, I was in no way offended by your post. We're all in the flesh trade here, whether buyer or seller, and it all comes down to economics. By all means, you should try and charge the very highest you can. You just need to balance volume with gross margin to maximize your profit.

[QUOTE=Pizdyets] Though your English seems to be quite good, that nuance is often lost by Russians. Just wanted to beat Jake to the punch. :P
[/QUOTE]

OK - you got me.
But you bring up an interesting point. English is so counter intuitive as a second or third language for most people especially in those little nuances. And the only way to get those little nuances is to practice and interact with native English speakers.

At Skank's suggestion I put up an ad on one of the dating sites (looking for free pussy of course) and suggested I would be willing to trade English lessons for sex. Well, not exactly in those words - I was a little more subtle than that. But I got all kinds of responses from girls who had a respectable command of the English language but wanted conversation in order to practice the nuances and colloquialisms. Didn't do much for my Russian skills but it led to one or two sexual encounters.

Russian is such an efficient language when compared to English. I seem to recall a saying about languages;

If you want to confuse someone - say it in English.
If you want to romance someone - say it in French.
If you want to insult someone - say it in German.
But if you want to say something efficiently - say it in Russian.

I'm sure I butchered the saying but you get the idea. English has a lot of rules and breaks them all so a novice in easily confused.

French, well, French is the language of love, n'est-ce pas?

The Germans have this wonderful ability to string together all sorts of obscenities and call it a word. A "motherfucking-son-of-a-Dresden-prostitute-with-a-wart-on-her-nose" is a legitimate word. Not only that, but everything sounds so offensive.

And then there's Russian. It seems to dispense with a lot of the excess baggage of many modern languages. Not that it's easy to learn with it's Cyrillic alphabet and interesting combination of sounds, but you just sort of throw the words out there and people just seem to understand what you are trying to say. Try the same thing in English and people look at you like you are from another planet.

[QUOTE=Explorer69]I always enjoy Helena's reports and comments. She is in many ways a very interesting addition and correction to this forum. She adds another dimension![/QUOTE]
Me too, couldn't agree more. She's an asset to this forum ;) (or is it "she's an asset for this forum", or "she's an asset in this forum"? :D). Anyway, she's great.

I'm more a St-Pete's guy than a Moscow's guy but, for the few times I was in Moscow, I found some of her comments quite accurate and useful (I say "some", no need to reply and correct me for the times she was exagerating a little).

Keep on the good work, Helena.

Jim

[QUOTE=Jake993]Why do I get the feeling that I'm never going live this one down?
[/QUOTE]You won't. You're on my grammar shit list. You'd better be on your best grammar game. If you even screw up your punctuation I am coming down on you like the fist of an angry grammar god.

)))

Now get back to fucking.

[QUOTE=Pizdyets]Haha! BTW, Lenichka, to say that correctly po-anglisky, you'd say:
"Don't forget to complain to your mommy either." "Too" is always in the affirmative, "either" in the negative. Though your English seems to be quite good, that nuance is often lost by Russians. Just wanted to beat Jake to the punch. :P

Also, I was in no way offended by your post. We're all in the flesh trade here, whether buyer or seller, and it all comes down to economics. By all means, you should try and charge the very highest you can. You just need to balance volume with gross margin to maximize your profit.[/QUOTE]


WOW! 2 lessons in one post ;)) Anyway, thank you for the hint in English. Always glad to improve.