Phnom Penh

I have read this forum with a lot of interest for many years. I have also traveled to Cambodia many times during these years. My first trip to Cambodia was in 1993 and at that time the country was in turmoil from the Khmere Rouge activities that were in their final end stages. The country was crawling with UN troops at that time. Back then I did not have the ISG to guide me and I did not carouse the city to search for venues, I just asked the hotel person to get me a girl. They always brought them no problem. Then one of my friends who is Cambodian introduced me to some people who knew where to find girls. These were always some shacks near the edge of PP where a mama would have 3-4 girls available. Most of these were new fresh recruites so they were not very experienced or good at what they did.
I was able to meet the private secretary of Norodom Raddarith who was the Prime Minister at that time. He took me and my Cambodian friend on a tour of the countryside in Cambodia and one of the stops that we made, were to a river house that served as a restarant and brothel. It was a floating structure and there were two little rooms for doing the deed. Cost was .1 Girls were mostly Viet's. As we traveled through the countryside it was easy to see that girls were available at every town we came too and my Cambodian host was sure to point this out to me.
I have returned to Cambodia about every three years since that first visit and with the help of the ISG I have seen so many changes over time. One thing that I can say with confidence is that there will always be girls offered for sex there. Maybe the atmosphere will change as I have already seen it change from my first visit, but it will always be there. It is in the Cambodian culture and will never go away. This is also seen in most other Asian countries I have visited so it is a Asian thing and is firmly rooted in their society.
All things undergo change and so there should not be a surprise that this subject will also change. Some will like it as they found it when they first came there, and these individuals may be unhappy with the change. I also miss Sophies etc. but I still look for new places to get excited about. I have had a lot of fun with some beer girls, karoke girls and massage girls. I try to stay away from the regular monger hangouts because I have found them to be less that what I consider good hunting places. In these places, all of the girls know the drill and they all are adept at manipulating us in one way or another.

[QUOTE=Broko]What is business as usual? Lapdancing again? Sexy dresses? Not closing at midnight? Tinted doors back?

Sure the bars are open.[/QUOTE]I have seen tinted windows, but no lap dances, sexy dresses, and I don't know the time they close.

[QUOTE=Shadow6491]In most of the hostess bars the number of girls has been slashed and it wasnt the fatter older uglier girls either. There are about 3 bars that have kept up the numbers of girls.[/QUOTE]Thanks, Shadow

It sounds like the police are saying "Prostitution is OK, just not in great quantity"

This is either...

a) A show of force to appease the NGO's

b) A way to drive up prices (by reducing supply).

[QUOTE=Water Boy]Thanks, Shadow

It sounds like the police are saying "Prostitution is OK, just not in great quantity"

This is either...

a) A show of force to appease the NGO's

b) A way to drive up prices (by reducing supply).[/QUOTE]

Must wonder how this has affected the local oriented places, both high and low end.

Still a lively scene in PP, I enjoy the Happy Man Bar and 136 Bar. There is a girl in 136 called Yen Ok she has a little too much around the waist but she enjoys sex just as much as she enjoys the money and will leave you exhusted in the morning.

Hello all,

I have gained and used wisdom from this board several times. This trip I will be in Phnom Penh for a week and thought I'd stay 4 nights at Flamingo then 4 nights more layback at L'Imprevu a bit out of town in Kien Svay. I can find info on the hotel but not what is nearby such as nightlife or friendly bars. I will be travelling alone but do not plan to stay alone. So does anyone know about L'Imprevu and the area?

Thanks for your help.

[QUOTE=Phantomtiger2]Hey Broko, Had to add this on this thread as I was unable to PM you.

since you're the man in Snooky, do you know if its possible now to rent motobikes in Snooky without having to get the Cambodian drivers licence, as I heard they will detain /heavy fine your rental bike without the license if stopped.
Friend of mine wanted to know as he plan to be there in early Nov. He's not a ISG member yet but I'm working on that.

PT[/QUOTE]If you're from the U.S., for $15 and two 2"x2" passport photos you can get an international drivers license which is valid for 1 year and many countries including Cambodia. It's always a safe bet.

[url]http://www.aaa.com/vacation/idpapplc.html[/url]

If you're from another country, you could search Google to see if or where you can get one in your country. I'd assume it's available because the U.S. application says this before listing valid countries:

"Geographical Areas Which Honor International Driving Permits (Convention on Road Traffic, United Nations, Geneva 1949) as of January, 2009"

There is nothing around L'Imprevu. A very nice place to go out to on a hot day with a few girls for a swim, but as a place to stay by yourself I think you may regret it.

Thank you Shadow, that is exactly what I needed to know. I'll look for something similar but with areas of interest, maybe closer to town but a bit out of it.

Any suggestions?

Hi.

My info is somewhat sketchy.

I was in Sharkey last night sharing pickup venues with a fellow monger. He mention a place that begins with the letter "P" maybe Promogade2 not very sure. The girls coming there look very pretty.

Anyways, he mention This is strictly a Freelancer joint where the girls come in and always dress in a nice short dress. No jeans. They negotiate the price.

Prices can be had for $20-25 (but negotiable).

He said if you see a girl in Hearts wearing a nice dress, she probably came from this place earlier in the evening.

On a good weekend night there can be 40-50 Freelancers working there.

Unfortunately, I cannot remember the name but most motorbike drivers would know the place if mentioned.

Does anyone have an Idea?

Thanks.
TC.

It may be Pontoon.

[QUOTE=Native Humper]I have read this forum with a lot of interest for many years. I have also traveled to Cambodia many times during these years. My first trip to Cambodia was in 1993 and at that time the country was in turmoil from the Khmere Rouge activities that were in their final end stages. The country was crawling with UN troops at that time. Back then I did not have the ISG to guide me and I did not carouse the city to search for venues, I just asked the hotel person to get me a girl. They always brought them no problem. Then one of my friends who is Cambodian introduced me to some people who knew where to find girls. These were always some shacks near the edge of PP where a mama would have 3-4 girls available. Most of these were new fresh recruites so they were not very experienced or good at what they did.

I was able to meet the private secretary of Norodom Raddarith who was the Prime Minister at that time. He took me and my Cambodian friend on a tour of the countryside in Cambodia and one of the stops that we made, were to a river house that served as a restarant and brothel. It was a floating structure and there were two little rooms for doing the deed. Cost was .1 Girls were mostly Viet's. As we traveled through the countryside it was easy to see that girls were available at every town we came too and my Cambodian host was sure to point this out to me.
I have returned to Cambodia about every three years since that first visit and with the help of the ISG I have seen so many changes over time. One thing that I can say with confidence is that there will always be girls offered for sex there. Maybe the atmosphere will change as I have already seen it change from my first visit, but it will always be there. It is in the Cambodian culture and will never go away. This is also seen in most other Asian countries I have visited so it is a Asian thing and is firmly rooted in their society.

All things undergo change and so there should not be a surprise that this subject will also change. Some will like it as they found it when they first came there, and these individuals may be unhappy with the change. I also miss Sophies etc. but I still look for new places to get excited about. I have had a lot of fun with some beer girls, karoke girls and massage girls. I try to stay away from the regular monger hangouts because I have found them to be less that what I consider good hunting places. In these places, all of the girls know the drill and they all are adept at manipulating us in one way or another.[/QUOTE]Nice report,

I will just said that Cambodian scene in phnom penh and siem reap and others town has change mainly under the influence of NGO, and after with the flux of farang from Thailand (more thai style bar and less brothels, negative girls attitude, more greedy cops asking for tea money)

The scene in Thailand has not change so much compare with Cambodia. In my case, like you, I don't care because I go to bar for meeting people, not for taking girl. The old mongering scene has not totally disappear.

Ps just think about your chance to meet and became friend with high rank civil servant now?

Just read this (take from free and excellent bayon pearnik magazine) and you will undertand why now barang scene are clearly targeted for more money of course, but also for lack of connection inside politician and army, barang customers are too precious, so nothing against them for the moment

[quote]Bar owners please read the two Cambodian Laws below: Law on Suppression of the Kidnapping and Trafficking of Hu m a and P e are s o and s a and d Exploitation of Human Persons. Article. 4.. Shall be deemed to be a brothel. Keeper or a pimp whoever:

Assists or p rotects one or many persons, by whatever means, with knowledge before the assistance or protection, of the prostitution of that person or persons, or solicits clients for him/her or them for the purpose of prostitution; or regularly shares the profits derived from the prostitution, in whatever form; or trains or coaxes, by whatever means, a male or female to engage in prostitution; or 4- Acts as a middleman, in whatever form, establishing contacts between male/ female prostitutes and the brothelkeeper or the provider of profit for the prostitution of other persons; or allows a make or females to live at his/her house or any other place for the purpose of engaging him/her in prostitution for his/her profit.

Art I CL e. 7.. Whoever establishes a place to commit an immoral or obscene act shall be punished from 1 to 5 years impri sonment and from 5, 000, 000 (five million riels) to 30, 000, 000 (thirty million riels) fines. In case of repeated offense, the punishment shall be doubled.[/quote]So what does obscene mean? Anything the cops want it to be (sexy dancing).

Barfines come under profits derived from prostitution. Make sure girls have ID's and are real.

[QUOTE=Shadow6491]It may be Pontoon.[/QUOTE]

Does his description fit? I'm a some time visitor to PP -- this is a new one to me. Can you tell us more about it? Maybe compare it to another place, such as Martini. (and where is it? sounds like it must be on the river, judging by the name)

Jeez, if some guy in Sharky told me about a place like that, I'd write the dang name down and find out where it was before he had a chance to have a heart attack or something. Actually, I'd probably finish my beer and head right over there. Male bonding's great but... 50 freelancers at low prices: "nice to meet you... we'll do lunch. Seeya."

btw I don't know anything about the area aound L'Imprevu (I actually don't even know where it is). Where did you find out about it? Tripadvisor? No photos there. Would be interested to see what the place looks like. I noticed on Tripadvisor there was one person who complained about how the staff turn a blind eye to men accompanied by local ladies. They seemed bothered by that, whereas I can imagine you read that and thought "Wow! Great!" ;-)

[QUOTE=Wendella]btw I don't know anything about the area aound L'Imprevu (I actually don't even know where it is). Where did you find out about it? Tripadvisor? No photos there. Would be interested to see what the place looks like. I noticed on Tripadvisor there was one person who complained about how the staff turn a blind eye to men accompanied by local ladies. They seemed bothered by that, whereas I can imagine you read that and thought "Wow! Great!" ;-)[/QUOTE]I did originally read about it in TripAdviser and then googled it. Some good reports and a nice website but they haven't replied. No surprise there. It's about 7km out on National Highway One. If that's not the correct name I hope you know which one I mean.