Pattaya Reports

[QUOTE=Haven123;1934251]There are many guys here on this board who are great guys! I've met a few of them in various countries. But, why do the majority of the posters on the ISG board talk so poorly and downright insultingly of women in other countries? Why can't many of these guys here put themselves in their shoes, and also try to comprehend and appreciate some of the life issues from the locals' (in the other countries) point of view?[/QUOTE]We are all young, fit, extremely good looking and god's gift to these poor Thais. I mean, really, they should be paying us instead. Who are these clowns even paying 1000 for ST? Totally ruining the market for the less appealing gentlemen.

[QUOTE=Haven123;1934251]There are many guys here on this board who are great guys! I've met a few of them in various countries.

But, why do the majority of the posters on the ISG board talk so poorly and downright insultingly of women in other countries?

Why can't many of these guys here put themselves in their shoes, and also try to comprehend and appreciate some of the life issues from the locals' (in the other countries) point of view?

Is it not possible to travel, adventure, meet women, date women, pick up women in different kinds of bars (Go Go, Beer bars, other Sois, or clubs, or equivalent in other countries), under whatever financial arrangement works best for both parties AND still have a heart? Not at all talking about a LT GF, love, marriage or sending money monthly from afar..... But just for the time when we are in their countries / with them? Can't guys just be cool?

Yeah, sure there will be rip offs now and then (nature of stats in life, generally speaking), bad decisions, things that just don't work out etc. Bad girl's, bad experiences. All a part of life everywhere in the world!

But, even given all of the above, are the majority (greater than 50 PC) of the guys on this board just really bad guys. Some jerks, some bad apples, some looking for a fight in a foreign country, some trying to cheat girls in their country, some with some hate, some with big superiority complex because they have some money, etc. Etc. ?

Sometimes, I feel that there are too many guys here who deserve to get what they end up with.

I don't know. But I think it's possible to adventure in different countries, with some appreciation for their local, personal situations and some respect for their history, context and culture and still experience the life of an adventurer. If the vast majority of the guys did that, then I think we'd all be better off. I'm not holding my breath for this though.

Having spent 20 odd years managing global businesses for Fortune 50 global corporates, I find a lot of the sentiments here intensely appalling.

No wonder things everywhere seem to be getting more expensive, more difficult, less appealing, less of a pleasure..... And more of a rip off.

Karma dudes! IMO, many here deserve what they get!

( I'm sure I'll get some pointed and hard feedback for the above....I'm prepared for it though ....so fire away).[/QUOTE]Your post has nothing wrong and I agree with most of it, except that is totally irrelevant to the thread or better say "out of topic".

Discussion was not about treating Thai women in a good / bad way, just do not overpay them.

Could you please stick to the topic? So you disagree with me with what? What did I say which is untrue? Please enlighten me.

Actually Thai women consider a "jai dee farang" (good heart foreigner) the one with big money willing to buy house, car and other things for the family. Doesn't matter if the guy was an ex thug, a bandit or has criminal records. Does he take care the family? He's good.

You might have managed thousand of global business for 30 years but your experience in mongering is less than zero!

This is World Sex Guide forum, most of the people here are humble mongers not billionaires competing on get the most beautiful girl like in a auction.

Funny when you talk about karma. We certainly have different point of view.

Loading a hooker with money when the average of the normal workers here get almost nothing is not only a madness, it's immoral.

I saw people giving 5000 or more for a ST, others pretending to buy women's love supporting their family, buying houses, etc. Etc. This is disgusting and immoral, and it goes against the karma.

You want to help a poor family in Isaan? Go to any f_uckin no-profit organization up to the north and make a bloody donation.

Personally I never had problems with Thai girls after 35 years of Thailand. I've always treat them with dignity and respect, and this is what I've always get back.

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;1934310] Generosity gets you a long way.[/QUOTE]Please don't talk about generosity here, this word is inappropriate and has nothing to do with people like us who pay for having sex. You want to be generous? As I said before, go to any orphanage or no-profit organization and make a bloody donation, then you will be generous to me.

What you are actually doing now is a women auction where you are the highest bidder.

Generosity my ass.

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;1934310]Not all bar girls are poor from Isaan. Take the time to get to know them a little. They are not just pieces of meat for us to get our rocks off on. It is amazing was happens when you treat the girls like a real person, they become much more responsive. Generosity gets you a long way. So what if you pay 500-1000 more, this could mean the difference between the lady going after 2 hours to staying the whole night.[/QUOTE]My generosity is limited to 100-200 bahts for kuey-tiaow or mama.

I don't believe in spoiling the market for other mongers by giving 500-1000 Bahts as tips.

I rather give a girl repeat business and get a better service.

[QUOTE=MarcoStraight;1934354]Please don't talk about generosity here, this word is inapproriate and has nothing to do with people like us who pay for having sex. You want to be generous? As I said before, go to any orphanage or no-profit organization and make a bloody donation, then you will be generous to me.

What you are actually doing now is a women auction where you are the highest bidder.

Generosity my ass.[/QUOTE]Mr Marco,

I acknowledge that everyone is entitled to an opinion. And everyone has their own budget and how much they cans spend depending on their socio-economic circumstances.

But you are not adding anything to the board in the way of useful information or knowledge. That is the main reason most of us come hear. Not to get lectured about how much we should be paying for pussy.

Your posts are just dragging us back down to the boring and fruitless price debates.

SnooZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZe!

[QUOTE=MarcoStraight;1934418]Mr. Uncle Volovodka.

The board is followed not only by expert billionair mongers like you and your friends. It's followed also by normal people, mostly newbies, that want to know how much is the average of a fuck in Pattaya.

Doesn't matter what's your budget or your socio-economic-shit, if you are in Pattaya and you pay 3. 500 for a short time, you are a fuckin idiot![/QUOTE]I have never paid more than 2500ST, but what I pay is my own damn business. As for any other contribution you have made, everyone already knew the price structure. We did not need you to enlighten us on the fact that ST on Soi 6 is 1300 baht.

At the risk of missing out on any great kernels of information you may offer in the future I will add you, sir, to my ignore list. Somehow I don't think I will regret this decision.

Uncle-V out!

I have a confession to make, and you are not going to like it. My entire mongering career, I have been spoiling the market. I have paid over the odds for beautiful women in Thailand. On a few occasions I paid market-rates, for example paying a Beach Rd girl 800 baht. On those occasions, I received mediocre service: she was in and out (as was I, hah! Hah! . . . umm), wham, bam, thank you maam. I did get my rocks off, I paid relatively little, I was mildly satisfied in a purely physical sense, but at least on those occasions, I did not spoil the market. Good boy, Kumbu, good boy. At least I tried.

But then my weakness overcame me. I found beautiful women in a nightclub, or a gogo bar, and I wanted to have more than just physical copulation. I found that the easiest way to do that was to be slightly more loose with the cash. I tried other things, of course. I took them to dinner, or tried to be a charmer, or dressed very nicely. I tried smiling like a goof ball, or to be the strong silent type. But in reality, and the reason we are all here on ISG, nothing works like the cash, and that's the Golden Rule. So I would over-tip, paying a total of 2500 baht for ST ([I]gasp. . .[/I]), and the lady would smile on her way out. The next day, I was back with her, and she was fucking my brains out like I was the only man in the world. On those occasions, I was utterly satisfied, just fully spent and properly satiated. Of course, I had spoiled the market ([I]tsk-tsk[/I]), true, but I had a smile on my face.

And on even more decadent nights, I would offer the girl 4000 baht for ST: [i]whaaaaaaa?[/i] I know, I know, send me to the gas chamber, I totally deserve it. If you like, call me a. . .

[QUOTE=MarcoStraight;1934418]a fuckin idiot![/QUOTE]I get it. And of course, on the subsequent encounter with that girl, well, let's just say that my balls were on fire. But to be honest, there was not an appreciable difference between 2500 baht and 4000 baht, and so I figured there is a sweet spot. Anything over 2500 baht (for me at least, given who I am, my age, my ethnicity, the chemistry I can generate with the girls, and what the girls think of me), the law of diminishing returns kicks in. And so my sweet spot is somewhere in the 2500-3000 baht range. That's been my experience, and I'm sorry, but you just cannot argue with that. Decades of experience in Thailand and I have found that this amount is what works for me (it does gradually creep up, I must admit). I will gladly share this information with people on ISG, and they can do with it what they please.

The issue for me is that there are two sides to the 'Don't Spoil the Market' equation: payment amount, and the return on that investment. What did you actually get in return for your payment? For me, I pay 2500 baht and I get a superior experience (on the return visit, it must be said). If I pay less, there is a noticeable reduction in the quality of experience, and if I pay more, there is not a noticeable increase in the quality of the experience. For some on this board, they pay very little, but all I read about their experience is that they fucked, with 6 pops, and 2-3 holes. Or whatever. But I don't know if that would work for me. All I can do is use my own experience, with some guidance from the posts here on ISG, to estimate what my investment is going to be. And one final point: I recognize that even though I am complicating the analysis just a little here, it is a horrible oversimplification. It's not the case that 2500 baht will always get you a great experience, nor that 800 baht will always get you a mechanical experience: each girl is different. But modulo that factor, I think we need to recognize that there are multiple markets in play here: low end, mid-level, high-end.

So yes, I confess, I spoiled the market. Perhaps I single-handedly fragmented the market into the multiple markets, who knows. I have tried paying less, and while that level of payment always results in ejaculate being extracted from my testicles, the mechanical nature of that experience is not what pleases me. I just don't get precisely the experience that I am seeking. I have tried it. And it does not work for me. It doesn't. It really doesn't. You can continue on and on about how I am spoiling the market, how dumb you think people like me are, etc. But the market is not my concern, nor how smart you think I am. My concern is what I get for my investment.

I figured this out based upon my own experience, as well as some guidelines from ISG. So I find all those Market Warriors who report on low prices very helpful. But the Market Evangelicals, well, not so much.

[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;1934265]Hear, hear! I second your position.

It is not because I had the good luck to have some spare money that allows me to travel a few times each year that I should look down upon the less fortunate people. They all deserve our respect. When I'm hungry I will appreciate the street food cook much more than the CEO of a global food company and when I'm horny, the Soi 6 sweetheart will be my favorite rather than the HiSo "old money" socialite.[/QUOTE]This guy Marco is apparently a cheapskate who hates people with an even slightly different view on life. I think Uncle V. Did the wise thing by putting him on his ignore list.

I have a short ignore list myself reserved for the more obnoxious of posters.

Regards,

Ko.

[QUOTE=AssLover945;1934360]My generosity is limited to 100-200 bahts for kuey-tiaow or mama.

I don't believe in spoiling the market for other mongers by giving 500-1000 Bahts as tips.

I rather give a girl repeat business and get a better service.[/QUOTE]You my brother are entitled to your own opinion but spoiling the market is not quite the result of a 500-1000 tip. Let's get back to reporting shall we? You and I share one love, that is the beautiful rear ends of Thai ladies. I would love to hear the story about the best rear end you have seen on a Thai lady. Mine was actually not Thai. Believe it or not she was Burmese and was working at Thermae.

[QUOTE=MarcoStraight;1934418]Mr. Uncle Volovodka.

The board is followed not only by expert billionair mongers like you and your friends. It's followed also by normal people, mostly newbies, that want to know how much is the average of a fuck in Pattaya.

Doesn't matter what's your budget or your socio-economic-shit, if you are in Pattaya and you pay 3. 500 for a short time, you are a fuckin idiot![/QUOTE]Marco, I have no idea where you came from all of a sudden but I would suggest that you put these dam price issues to bed. If you say you care so much about the newbies reading the board then let them read the reports without having to go through all this bickering about pricing. Secondly, I wouldn't suggest calling people fuckin idiots on this board. I have run into many members around Thailand since we often frequent the same venues. I don't think the reception would be very warm. Now instead of continuing this ridiculous doscussion, why don't you write a report?

Here's my question: I am a newbie traveling to Thailand. My budget for a 1 week trip is 30,000 Baht. Where are the best hotels to stay in and where could one on this budget get the best bang for their buck? Now that would be some useful information and dam good report for newbies to read. I can make some suggestions but i think you are the man for the job. I look forward to your report with eager anticipation.

[QUOTE=MarcoStraight;1934344]Your post has nothing wrong and I agree with most of it, except that is totally irrilevant to the thread or better say "out of topic".

Discussion was not about treating thai women in a good / bad way, just do not overpay them.

Could you please stick to the topic? So you disagree with me with what? What did I say wich is untrue? Please enlighten me.

Actually thai women consider a "jai dee farang" (good heart foreigner) the one with big money willing to buy house, car and other things for the family. Doesn't matter if the guy was an ex thug, a bandit or has criminal records. Does he take care the family? He's good.

You might have managed thousand of global businsess for 30 years but your experience in mongering is less than zero!

This is World Sex Guide forum, most of the people here are humble mongers not billionaires competing on get the most beautiful girl like in a auction.

Funny when you talk about karma. We certainly have different point of view.

Loading a hooker with money when the average of the normal workers here get almost nothing is not only a madness, it's immoral.

I saw people giving 5000 or more for a ST, others pretending to buy women's love supporting their family, buying houses, etc. Etc. This is disgusting and immoral, and it goes against the karma.

You want to help a poor family in Isaan? Go to any f_uckin no-profit organization up to the north and make a bloody donation.

Personally I never had problems with thai girls after 35 years of Thailand. I've always treat them with dignity and respect, and this is what I've always get back.[/QUOTE]Maco, please go out, find a non WG Thai lady that can speak English. Talk with her for an hour. I think you will be surprised!

I wish we could get away from these never ending price bickering wars and leave those to the kids on the other message forums.

I care not what one person pays compared to another, on this Pattaya section, I only care about what people are paying in general, without people jumping in and crucifying others for how they spend their money. In addition to the reviews on the quality of the women in gogo's, beer bars, etc.

[QUOTE=Kumbu;1934527]I have a confession to make, and you are not going to like it. My entire mongering career, I have been spoiling the market. I have paid over the odds for beautiful women in Thailand. On a few occasions I paid market-rates, for example paying a Beach Rd girl 800 baht. On those occasions, I received mediocre service: she was in and out (as was I, hah! Hah! . . . umm), wham, bam, thank you maam. I did get my rocks off, I paid relatively little, I was mildly satisfied in a purely physical sense, but at least on those occasions, I did not spoil the market. Good boy, Kumbu, good boy. At least I tried.

But then my weakness overcame me. I found beautiful women in a nightclub, or a gogo bar, and I wanted to have more than just physical copulation. I found that the easiest way to do that was to be slightly more loose with the cash. I tried other things, of course. I took them to dinner, or tried to be a charmer, or dressed very nicely. I tried smiling like a goof ball, or to be the strong silent type. But in reality, and the reason we are all here on ISG, nothing works like the cash, and that's the Golden Rule. So I would over-tip, paying a total of 2500 baht for ST ([I]gasp. . .[/I]), and the lady would smile on her way out. The next day, I was back with her, and she was fucking my brains out like I was the only man in the world. On those occasions, I was utterly satisfied, just fully spent and properly satiated. Of course, I had spoiled the market ([I]tsk-tsk[/I]), true, but I had a smile on my face...[/QUOTE]I too apologize for spoiling the market. If a beach road hottie ask for more than market but not outrageous- I pay. For gods sake its $10-$15 more. There's lots of money to be made just go out and make some guys!

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;1934549]Maco, please go out, find a non WG Thai lady that can speak English. Talk with her for an hour. I think you will be surprised![/QUOTE]No worry. I'm surprised already. To know that people like you use to get girls in a place like Thermae for 3. 500 baht ST is a big shock. No wonder why most of the Thai girls think that farangs are all idiots. Thanks.

[QUOTE=Kumbu;1934527]I have a confession to make, and you are not going to like it. My entire mongering career, I have been spoiling the market. I have paid over the odds for beautiful women in Thailand. On a few occasions I paid market-rates, for example paying a Beach Rd girl 800 baht. On those occasions, I received mediocre service: she was in and out (as was I, hah! Hah! . . . umm), wham, bam, thank you maam. I did get my rocks off, I paid relatively little, I was mildly satisfied in a purely physical sense, but at least on those occasions, I did not spoil the market. Good boy, Kumbu, good boy. At least I tried.

But then my weakness overcame me. I found beautiful women in a nightclub, or a gogo bar, and I wanted to have more than just physical copulation. I found that the easiest way to do that was to be slightly more loose with the cash. I tried other things, of course. I took them to dinner, or tried to be a charmer, or dressed very nicely. I tried smiling like a goof ball, or to be the strong silent type. But in reality, and the reason we are all here on ISG, nothing works like the cash, and that's the Golden Rule. So I would over-tip, paying a total of 2500 baht for ST ([I]gasp. . .[/I]), and the lady would smile on her way out. The next day, I was back with her, and she was fucking my brains out like I was the only man in the world. On those occasions, I was utterly satisfied, just fully spent and properly satiated. Of course, I had spoiled the market ([I]tsk-tsk[/I]), true, but I had a smile on my face.

And on even more decadent nights, I would offer the girl 4000 baht for ST: [i]whaaaaaaa?[/i] I know, I know, send me to the gas chamber, I totally deserve it. If you like, call me a. . .

I get it. And of course, on the subsequent encounter with that girl, well, let's just say that my balls were on fire. But to be honest, there was not an appreciable difference between 2500 baht and 4000 baht, and so I figured there is a sweet spot. Anything over 2500 baht (for me at least, given who I am, my age, my ethnicity, the chemistry I can generate with the girls, and what the girls think of me), the law of diminishing returns kicks in. And so my sweet spot is somewhere in the 2500-3000 baht range. That's been my experience, and I'm sorry, but you just cannot argue with that. Decades of experience in Thailand and I have found that this amount is what works for me (it does gradually creep up, I must admit). I will gladly share this information with people on ISG, and they can do with it what they please.

The issue for me is that there are two sides to the 'Don't Spoil the Market' equation: payment amount, and the return on that investment. What did you actually get in return for your payment? For me, I pay 2500 baht and I get a superior experience (on the return visit, it must be said). If I pay less, there is a noticeable reduction in the quality of experience, and if I pay more, there is not a noticeable increase in the quality of the experience. For some on this board, they pay very little, but all I read about their experience is that they fucked, with 6 pops, and 2-3 holes. Or whatever. But I don't know if that would work for me. All I can do is use my own experience, with some guidance from the posts here on ISG, to estimate what my investment is going to be. And one final point: I recognize that even though I am complicating the analysis just a little here, it is a horrible oversimplification. It's not the case that 2500 baht will always get you a great experience, nor that 800 baht will always get you a mechanical experience: each girl is different. But modulo that factor, I think we need to recognize that there are multiple markets in play here: low end, mid-level, high-end.

So yes, I confess, I spoiled the market. Perhaps I single-handedly fragmented the market into the multiple markets, who knows. I have tried paying less, and while that level of payment always results in ejaculate being extracted from my testicles, the mechanical nature of that experience is not what pleases me. I just don't get precisely the experience that I am seeking. I have tried it. And it does not work for me. It doesn't. It really doesn't. You can continue on and on about how I am spoiling the market, how dumb you think people like me are, etc. But the market is not my concern, nor how smart you think I am. My concern is what I get for my investment.

I figured this out based upon my own experience, as well as some guidelines from ISG. So I find all those Market Warriors who report on low prices very helpful. But the Market Evangelicals, well, not so much.[/QUOTE]Very well put. Thanks for taking the time to write what I was too lazy to.

I have added your report to the reports of distinction thread and noticed you had another one there. Great reporting as always. Love readimg everything you write. Is writing your chosen profession? I think daily blogging is in your future and pays well on You Tube.