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Lots of contradictions in many posts nowadays on ISG.

Guys criticize the education system and the government etc for keeping the population dumbed down, but then cite the Philippines as the No. 1 place to come for low-cost bareback sex (which is freely available because the girls are uneducated and don't know better).

Girls who understand the risks of transmission of STIs and possible pregnancy (ie, those with some education) want condoms to be used. When a girl indicates that she will not have unprotected sex with a guy who has been with lots of other girls, she exhibits a level of educated awareness and gets criticized for it.

If guys with dodgy recent sexcapades want to bareback with girls whose previous history is unknown, then they must be prepared to set the bar low and realize they are reaping the benefits of a failed education system.

[QUOTE=RedKilt;2966689]Lots of contradictions in many posts nowadays on ISG.

Guys criticize the education system and the government etc for keeping the population dumbed down, but then cite the Philippines as the No. 1 place to come for low-cost bareback sex (which is freely available because the girls are uneducated and don't know better).

Girls who understand the risks of transmission of STIs and possible pregnancy (ie, those with some education) want condoms to be used. When a girl indicates that she will not have unprotected sex with a guy who has been with lots of other girls, she exhibits a level of educated awareness and gets criticized for it.

If guys with dodgy recent sexcapades want to bareback with girls whose previous history is unknown, then they must be prepared to set the bar low and realize they are reaping the benefits of a failed education system.[/QUOTE]Interesting perspective. However it has been my experience over years that even educated women in Philippines have rarely if ever brought up the topic of a condom. I'm talking women with degrees and professional jobs. So its not been as much education as culture, and predominantly religion. The Catholic Church in the PI actively discourage birth control and that has a lot to do with it. If there is indeed a change it would imply diminishing influence of the Church in the new generation, which is believable.

[QUOTE=RedKilt;2966689]Guys criticize the education system and the government etc for keeping the population dumbed down, but then cite the Philippines as the No. 1 place to come for low-cost bareback sex (which is freely available because the girls are uneducated and don't know better).[/QUOTE]Its a good point. I grapple with it myself. In addition to the prurient interests, RK's point might also exist for other systems. For example, almost the entire country has an un-potable water system. Its probably not safe for foreigners to drink tap water most anywhere in Phils. In the area where I live, everyone here (including most locals) drink filtered / bottled water. What's that? You'd like to have a constant fresh supply of drinkable tap water like other countries? Me too, but that would require upgrades in well systems and chemical additives, adding to the cost of living here.

Another system we have complained about here is the road system (or the lack thereof). To few roads, too many broken roads, and too many cars on the road, leads to terrible traffic. You'd like to be able to drive to the local 7-11 today for a 6-pack of beer in your shiny cool vehicle, and get back home in 20 minutes? Me too, but its 45 minutes round-trip to the convenience store 1 km away from me in the daytime. Traffic jams abound. You want the government to fund a better road system? Another added cost of living here.

You want the place to be clean, with better trash pickup, with good schools, good roads and airports; good basic infrastructure, like Singapore? Be prepped to pay Sing prices.

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;2966716]Its a good point. I grapple with it myself. In addition to the prurient interests, RK's point might also exist for other systems.[/QUOTE]Let's not forget the role of the Church. Apparently it's the Lord's work to deliver up impoverished and illiterate girls whose only source of income is to bareback wealthy poriners. No divorce providing girls happy to fuck out of wedlock and no abortion or family planning giving our beloved single mom's.

Is anyone else seeing contradictions?? G.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2966843]Let's not forget the role of the Church. Apparently it's the Lord's work to deliver up impoverished and illiterate girls whose only source of income is to bareback wealthy poriners. No divorce providing girls happy to fuck out of wedlock and no abortion or family planning giving our beloved single mom's.

Is anyone else seeing contradictions?? G.[/QUOTE]The political power of the church in promulgating ignorance and obedience is critical to any understanding of Philippine culture. For anyone interested in viewing a moving and stark portrayal of this point, I suggest a documentary called "Motherland" which was done by a Filipina-American documentarian and was shot entirely in what is billed as the world's largest maternity ward somewhere in MetroManila.

GE.

[QUOTE=GoodEnough;2966869]The political power of the church in promulgating ignorance and obedience is critical to any understanding of Philippine culture. For anyone interested in viewing a moving and stark portrayal of this point, I suggest a documentary called "Motherland" which was done by a Filipina-American documentarian and was shot entirely in what is billed as the world's largest maternity ward somewhere in MetroManila.

GE.[/QUOTE]Muchos gracias sir. I found several trailers like the one below on YT, but I can't find the full documentary. Does anyone have a link? "The baby factory". Even the 2-minute trailer is worth watching.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XysNsN-xj0I[/URL]

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;2966894]Muchos gracias sir. I found several trailers like the one below on YT, but I can't find the full documentary. Does anyone have a link? "The baby factory". Even the 2-minute trailer is worth watching.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XysNsN-xj0I[/URL][/QUOTE]The first time I saw it was on PBS. Recently, I streamed it on Peacock, which was the only service on which I found it. I hope that helps.

GE.

Hi Guys,

I won't bother quoting and replying to all your recent posts, but I must say you all make very good points on the influence of The Church, religion, contraception, infrastructure and the like.

Although not everyone may have the same views, it's a very respectful debate and some very intelligent views and opinions are offered.

Well done.

No angry keyboard fuckers to make the whole forum an angry shitshow, like some others I've dealt with previously.

Salamat _ Phil.

[QUOTE=RedKilt;2966689]Lots of contradictions in many posts nowadays on ISG.

If guys with dodgy recent sexcapades want to bareback with girls whose previous history is unknown, then they must be prepared to set the bar low and realize they are reaping the benefits of a failed education system.[/QUOTE]Agreed. That sort of risk-taking strikes a note of monger ignorance.

[QUOTE=GoodEnough;2966869]The political power of the church in promulgating ignorance and obedience is critical to any understanding of Philippine culture. For anyone interested in viewing a moving and stark portrayal of this point, I suggest a documentary called "Motherland" which was done by a Filipina-American documentarian and was shot entirely in what is billed as the world's largest maternity ward somewhere in MetroManila.

GE.[/QUOTE]Glad to see you posting, sir.

I saw "Motherland" several years ago on PBS. Very enlightening. Worth streaming if it's available on Peacock. What I recall about the hospital in question 1. The hospital may deliver more babies than any other hospital in the world (Filipino exaggeration? 2. It's called Dr. Jose Fabella Memorial Hospital; 3. It's appropriately, immediately north of the Manila City Jail in the Santa Cruz district near Tondo. 4. Many years ago it was taken over as a government-supported facility.

Interestingly, there are scenes in the documentary in which nurses talk with women delivering their sixth or eighth child about getting a tubal ligation, which the hospital will perform for free. Some women literally told the nurses, "my mother told me not to let you talk me into a tubal ligation or contraception. " Thus, the reach of the Church is very deep culturally -- when women are conveying this anti-contraception message with little extra effort by the Church. I commend the professional efforts of these nurses.

I've met a Japanese guy named Nakanishi who's been studying Filipino culture, especially in a squatter community in Malabon (Sto. Nino), who portrays how networks of culture and influence are carried out by women throughout the squatter community and Metro Manila based on connections to other women from their province of origin. It strikes me that women are the principal conveyers of cultural tradition in the Philippines. They literally hold the society together. Consider, by way of contrast, how frequently Filipino men desert the women they've impregnated. This latter may be about class rather than society-wide culture.

I'm sorry if this characterization offends some list members. It's an opinion.

Soapy.

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;2966716]Its a good point. I grapple with it myself. In addition to the prurient interests, RK's point might also exist for other systems...[/QUOTE]Don't forget that we now can jump on very cheap discount airlines that deliver us almost directly to our favourite mongering destination in no time. We then have the choice at staying at normally decent lodging and complain if breakfast isn't to our liking or exactly like back home. Almost in the same breath we then complain that there are now many more guys than girls, prices have gone up and it's not like the good ol days. You know, the days when it was almost an epic adventure just to get to the country, transport consisted of rattling down a dirt road and the only guys who made the trip were either military guys flown in on RnR or truely hardened travellers.

Let's not discuss the recent online options where within seconds we can be exchanging saucy pics with our newest best friend. When it's that easy, is it a surprise that girls are receiving literally thousands of offers? And that's with out even meeting anyone, let alone sucking 70 yo dick. Yet, again, we complain that online girls are now more mercenary and have numerous guys on the hook at any one time.

Of course the good ol days results do still exist for those happy to replicate the good ol days effort. A few guys have posted recently of relatively recently catching busses into the middle of now where and finding great times.

Enjoy. G.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2967035]Of course the good ol days results do still exist for those happy to replicate the good ol days effort. A few guys have posted recently of relatively recently catching busses into the middle of now where and finding great times.

Enjoy. G.[/QUOTE]I have to agree G.

Whilst I travel to Manila on business, I try and get that out of the way ASAP and then generally try to find another untraveled option in the Phils on my frequent visits.

I can understand first timers, or those who just want to do Angeles, Subic, Makati etc for the pleasure it provides.

However, some of the best times I've had have been in places like way up north of Cebu where the expectation isn't of a foreigner just looking for sex in a bar scene.

You get to mingle with the locals and ultimately rewards come your way (without the expense). I still keep in touch with a lovely girl on Bantayan Island that I met within half an hour of arriving there.

I've never done the online option searching for potential talent as I just don't have time to bother with that stuff.

Sure, my next visit will involve work in Manila, meeting the girlfriend from Sabang and treating her to Boracay (which should be interesting as she's barely left Mindoro and has never flown before) but each trip for me, I try to mix it up and not do the tourist route every time.

The rewards can be pretty amazing _ Phil.

You are very right. Some of my best experiences have been on roads less traveled.

[QUOTE=PhilJoy;2967139]I have to agree G.

Whilst I travel to Manila on business, I try and get that out of the way ASAP and then generally try to find another untraveled option in the Phils on my frequent visits.

I can understand first timers, or those who just want to do Angeles, Subic, Makati etc for the pleasure it provides.

However, some of the best times I've had have been in places like way up north of Cebu where the expectation isn't of a foreigner just looking for sex in a bar scene.

You get to mingle with the locals and ultimately rewards come your way (without the expense). I still keep in touch with a lovely girl on Bantayan Island that I met within half an hour of arriving there.

I've never done the online option searching for potential talent as I just don't have time to bother with that stuff.

Sure, my next visit will involve work in Manila, meeting the girlfriend from Sabang and treating her to Boracay (which should be interesting as she's barely left Mindoro and has never flown before) but each trip for me, I try to mix it up and not do the tourist route every time.

The rewards can be pretty amazing _ Phil.[/QUOTE]

I literally never used condoms in PH. LOL.

[QUOTE=ExpatAmerican;2966697]Interesting perspective. However it has been my experience over years that even educated women in Philippines have rarely if ever brought up the topic of a condom. I'm talking women with degrees and professional jobs. So its not been as much education as culture, and predominantly religion. The Catholic Church in the PI actively discourage birth control and that has a lot to do with it. If there is indeed a change it would imply diminishing influence of the Church in the new generation, which is believable.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=PhilJoy;2967139]

I can understand first timers, or those who just want to do Angeles, Subic, Makati etc for the pleasure it provides.

[/QUOTE]Each to their own but I think the whole Angeles or Makati for newbies argument only holds for the time poor: sure if he's only in town a three day first visit, then just go to Burgos. However, if he is concerned about being ripped off, hard core hoes, one shot runners or generally mercenary surroundings, then it's hard to imagine a more welcoming or GFE experience than any of the provincial centres. And that's more so for a newbie. Could you imagine the attentional a bright eyed and bushy tailed Dave from Nebraska would receive upon arriving in town with 'newbie' stamped prominently on his forehead?? 😳.

G.