Safe Sex and Sex Related Discussions in Thailand

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HSV-2 is higher among women and in underdeveloped countries than the world average. Unless you have some proof that the prevalence among non-pro Thai women (since, again, we're talking about Thai women) is "20%" as you said, I'll continue to doubt it. Especially since, as I've now quoted here twice, the prevalence rate of HSV-2 even among middle aged non-pro American women is between 50 and 70 percent.

Your "general population" comment don't mean much. It's like when they divvy up the GDP of the US and say the average income in the States is $50, 000 a year. Of course more than a hundred million people there make much less than that.

[QUOTE=Rick Rock;1517806]HSV-2 is higher among women and in underdeveloped countries than the world average. Unless you have some proof that the prevalence among non-pro Thai women (since, again, we're talking about Thai women) is "20%" as you said, I'll continue to doubt it. Especially since, as I've now quoted here twice, the prevalence rate of HSV-2 even among middle aged non-pro American women is between 50 and 70 percent.[/QUOTE]First of all, it's a no brainer that the rate of genital herpes is way less common amongst non pros than pros.

Secondly, my original comment didn't mention Thailand or Thai women.

Also why would I care about unmarried 45 to 50 year old "middle aged non-pro American women". I've never had sex with such a hideous creature in my life & don't ever intend to.

Even if your figure for them is accurate, what does it have to do with non pro Thai women? It would show that HSV-2 rates can vary widely by specific groups of the adult population, just like as in my original example of hookers vs non P4P.

Obviously an older 50 year old USA female is more likely to have had more sex sessions & more sex partners than an 18 year old. Consequently she is also much more likely to have contracted STIs like genital herpes.

If you want to greatly reduce the risk of having horrible ugly painful sores on your dick regularly for the rest of your life, you might want to avoid hookers or take other precautions vs genital herpes. Up to you.

"remember that being HSV-2 positive, even without symtpoms, at least doubles a person's risk of acquiring HIV if sexually exposed to it."

[url]http://www.medhelp.org/posts/STDs/herpes-and-masturbation/show/248614[/url]

If you are interested in not passing genital herpes & or HIV onto others, then you might want to get yourself tested for these STI. If you are found positive, there are preventative measures you can take so that your sex partners are significantly less likely to get your disease.

[QUOTE=Rick Rock; 1517806]Your "general population" comment don't mean much. It's like when they divvy up the GDP of the US and say the average income in the States is $50, 000 a year. Of course more than a hundred million people there make much less than that.[/QUOTE]It means one is far safer from getting "genital herpes" with the general population than with hookers, even hookers that religiously use condoms. If you can find a virgin like some Japanese sex tourists seek, then you will probably be even safer.

"The prevalence of HSV-2 was 4. 8 percent in sexually active adults. 60 percent in sex workers."

[url]http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17062037[/url]

"Asia (including Australia) Studies have been conducted in Hong Kong [66], Japan [67, 68], Thailand [71, 72], Australia [61–63], and New Zealand [69, 70] (table 1). There is a relative paucity of data on HSV-2 prevalence in non–high-risk populations in Asia. HSV-2 prevalence tended to be lower than in other areas of the world, with the possible exceptions of Thailand [71, 72] and Australia [61–63]. In two Japanese studies, age-specific HSV-2 prevalence was low (<7 percent in all age groups) [67, 68]. These estimates are lower than in women of similar ages in the Philippines (9 percent) [7] and in antenatal Australian patients (15 percent) [63]. Although still relatively low, other Japanese studies found higher HSV-2 prevalence (e. G. 15 percent among older female clinic attendees from Osaka [mean age. 49 years] and 17 percent among pregnant women from Kagoshima [mean age. 29 years]) [68]. In Sydney, HSV-2 prevalence among a large sample of antenatal clinic attendees (mean age. 28 years) was 11 percent [61]"

With "populations with evidence of higher risk sexual behavior and in STI clinic attendees, the prevalence of HSV-2 infection was consistently higher than in non–high-risk populations."

The "HSV-2 seropositivity was consistently high among young CSWs elsewhere: Thailand (76%; mean age. 24 years)."

[url]http://jid.oxfordjournals.org/content/186/Supplement_1/S3.long[/url]

Also why would I care about unmarried 45 to 50 year old "middle aged non-pro American women". I've never had sex with such a hideous creature in my life & don't ever intend to.

Amen to that!

[QUOTE=TomSf;1514306]In Thailand bareback BJ is standard. That is the problem. If you look at the working girls lips over there cold sores are extremely common. Which is herpes. I saw some of the girls that stand in front of Nana plaza and some had cold sores on top of cold sores because of doing this for years and being with to many men.[/QUOTE]
I wonder if it's any use if you and the girl take 1000 mg valacyclovir three hours before hopping into bed for a night of sex. There's little literature on herpes prophylaxis. Valacyclovir has few side-effects. It's worth a try if you have to bareback. L-Lysine is also supposed to have some effect in slowing down viral replication and it is free of side-effects. That doesn't solve the gono problem though.

On another note, is it at all possible in Thailand to bed good-looking girls whose men are few and far between? I'm planning to retire there, not just for the pussy of course, but if having BB sex is near impossible without ending up catching something for which there's no cure ....

[QUOTE=Opebo;1556374]Any extended rubbing with soap, whether the usual brief hand-job in a normal soapy in the bath-tub or the body-to-body rubbing in one of these unusual ones that have a mattress, is hazardous to your skin. It feels good at first, but one should allow no more than a perhaps thirty seconds of such rubbing. Oil is better for the skin, soap is highly damaging.[/QUOTE]Not using soap as a lube for all types of sex is sex ed 100 or 101, basic stuff. But maybe it should be mentioned here as evidently some people skipped class.

Coconut oil is longlasting, may be fragrant (TGs love the smell) , anti viral, anti bacterial, moisturizes the penis, is beneficial to the vaginal area & acts as an STI barrier.

Of course any oil should not to be used with a plastic baggy.

[url]https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20090308010351AAftabA[/url]

[url]https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20090116141045AANBqWE[/url]

[url]https://sg.answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080123141900AAaIlTD[/url]

[QUOTE=XXL;1531736]On another note, is it at all possible in Thailand to bed good-looking girls whose men are few and far between? I'm planning to retire there, not just for the pussy of course, but if having BB sex is near impossible without ending up catching something for which there's no cure .[/QUOTE]It's very possible, but you won't find them working in a bar.

Despite the cynicism on display in many of these threads, you'll find that most Thai women aren't hookers and have never darkened the door of a P4P establishment. I can't speak for the younger generation, but all of the ladies I've met in the late 30s-and-up range have had a shockingly low number of sex partners.

But there ain't no free lunch. It's going to take some sort of commitment. They may let you off the leash on occasion, but Thai women can be incredibly jealous.

[QUOTE=XXL; 1531736].

On another note, is it at all possible in Thailand to bed good-looking girls whose men are few and far between? I'm planning to retire there, not just for the pussy of course, but if having BB sex is near impossible without ending up catching something for which there's no cure.[/QUOTE]It's very possible, but you hve to look outside the bar area, most thai women girls would never go to the bar areas. Identify yourself as a resident, visit the bedding section of department stores, and the women there will be happy to help. One took me by the hand and led me around the store, she was not too bad looking either, but I had a 20yo back in the apartment.

[QUOTE=XXL; 1531736]I wonder if it's any use if you and the girl take 1000 mg valacyclovir three hours before hopping into bed for a night of sex. There's little literature on herpes prophylaxis. Valacyclovir has few side-effects. It's worth a try if you have to bareback. L-Lysine is also supposed to have some effect in slowing down viral replication and it is free of side-effects. That doesn't solve the gono problem though.

On another note, is it at all possible in Thailand to bed good-looking girls whose men are few and far between? I'm planning to retire there, not just for the pussy of course, but if having BB sex is near impossible without ending up catching something for which there's no cure.[/QUOTE]It is possible in Thailand or anywhere else to not catch HIV. Just practice safe sex if it worries you & like all of us you have to leave the rest to your lucky stars. Hire the Bangkok private eye to check out your girl's history, if you think it will help. But non hookers have almost as high a rate of HIV in LOS as venued P4P gals. If you want a safer bet, try Canada or Iceland.

[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Safe_sex[/url]

The term "safe sex" is used in reference to STIs but also pregnancy:

[URL]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Safe_sex[/URL]

When it comes to avoiding pregnancy or birth control, men have fewer options than women.

Popular methods for male contraception are condoms, withdrawal or pulling out (coitus interruptus) and vasectomy.

For those interested in other or additional ways of protecting against knocking up a TG and or less invasive painful surgery, there are various possibilities worth considering:

[URL]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Male_contraceptive[/URL]

For example gossypol which can not only lower risk of impregnating a female per sex act but also lead to permanent infertility:

"Researchers have suggested gossypol might make a good noninvasive alternative to surgical vasectomy".

[URL]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gossypol[/URL]

The risk of a guy causing a baby to be made lessens with older age & many other factors like diet. Even drinking coffee, the use of cannabis & tobacco & the proximity of cell phones has had some studies done suggesting correlations in this regard:

[URL]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semen_quality[/URL]

It has been suggested that BPA, which is found in canned foods, is also linked to low sperm quantity & quality:

[URL]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bisphenol_A[/URL]

In the event of a pregnancy occuring, its termination is possible for a TG to obtain for only around 2000 baht.

As working ladies generally have many partners, it is likely she has no idea or certainly no proof of whom the father is, even if she is telling the truth about her condition. Over 95 percent of them also have Thai BFs, many of whom they are doing BB with, who is also likely shooting inside her, regardless of what she may tell you.

To prove who the father is would require waiting till after birth and doing tests on both the child & the alleged father.

Men do not as of yet have a pill they can easily pop or a shot they can get for this purpose. It's the responsibility of TGs to be on the pill or using another form of birth control.

[QUOTE=ActionOriented;1602994]What's the name of the BJ Bar (if you remember)?

Just to clarify, did you convince the girl to provide FS without a condom I. E. Did you go bareback? Very risky![/QUOTE]Exactly how risky is that, would you say?

More risky than flying with Malaysian airlines?

More risky than riding a motorbike during holiday seasons in Thailand?

More risky than being exposed to cigarette smoke or drinking generous amounts of alcohol?

BTW did you see the recent news story of a guy who fainted while skydiving?

In your viewpoint, how many times having sex with a condom would equal the risk of doing BBFS once? Or if you had sex once a month & it was BBFS, would you be safer than the guy who had CFS every day of the month?

Of course intact condoms do not cover everything or protect from a number of STI. They also are known to break, tear, have defects & slip off, and then it is like having bareback sex. So sex with them is a risk, whether they fail or not.

Do you consider BBFS still "very risky" if the lady is a 20 year old, middle aged 40 year old or an elderly 80 year old virgin?

I doubt the present discussion is going to add anything new to the subject that hasn't already been said in the Safe Sex thread. It certainly hasn't so far. It doesn't even scratch the surface.

If you want to crusade against barebacking, the PI forum might be the better place to start. I suspect it is far more rampant there than in Thailand. After all, the country is Catholic.

First of, I see that you have quoted me from another thread. I am neither a crusader nor do I care to debate / judge the decision behind anyone's choice for indulging in BBFS. I should have been more clear, I find the idea of BBFS to be risky, and just so that you don't take it in another way let me say. IMHO. By all means, please feel free to continue barebacking. I am not judging nor is it of any consequence to me (I prefer to stay safe than expose myself to such a risk). Justifying BBFS by illustrating random instances of airline crashes, smoking, motor accidents doesn't take away from the fact that one is still at high risk of infection when indulging in unsafe sex.

Since condoms are likely to break, tear, leak, why not just give up condoms altogether, would that be more acceptable?

Age of the WG is hardly of consequence in BBFS, therefore, that does not merit a response.

[QUOTE=PinkPearl;1603318]Exactly how risky is that, would you say?

More risky than flying with Malaysian airlines?

More risky than riding a motorbike during holiday seasons in Thailand?

More risky than being exposed to cigarette smoke or drinking generous amounts of alcohol?

BTW did you see the recent news story of a guy who fainted while skydiving?

In your viewpoint, how many times having sex with a condom would equal the risk of doing BBFS once? Or if you had sex once a month & it was BBFS, would you be safer than the guy who had CFS every day of the month?

Of course intact condoms do not cover everything or protect from a number of STI. They also are known to break, tear, have defects & slip off, and then it is like having bareback sex. So sex with them is a risk, whether they fail or not.

Do you consider BBFS still "very risky" if the lady is a 20 year old, middle aged 40 year old or an elderly 80 year old virgin?

I doubt the present discussion is going to add anything new to the subject that hasn't already been said in the Safe Sex thread. It certainly hasn't so far. It doesn't even scratch the surface.

If you want to crusade against barebacking, the PI forum might be the better place to start. I suspect it is far more rampant there than in Thailand. After all, the country is Catholic.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=ActionOriented;1603909]First of, I see that you have quoted me from another thread. I am neither a crusader nor do I care to debate / judge the decision behind anyone's choice for indulging in BBFS. I should have been more clear, I find the idea of BBFS to be risky, and just so that you don't take it in another way let me say. IMHO. By all means, please feel free to continue barebacking. I am not judging nor is it of any consequence to me (I prefer to stay safe than expose myself to such a risk). Justifying BBFS by illustrating random instances of airline crashes, smoking, motor accidents doesn't take away from the fact that one is still at high risk of infection when indulging in unsafe sex.

Since condoms are likely to break, tear, leak, why not just give up condoms altogether, would that be more acceptable?

Age of the WG is hardly of consequence in BBFS, therefore, that does not merit a response.[/QUOTE]What's a crusader? Yet here you are still on the subject.

You seem to have missed the point of my questions. They were not to "justify BBFS" but to dig into your head as to why you think BBFS is so very risky. But after your response I am no wiser in that regard. So please enlighten me, if you can. Or perhaps read the safe sex thread & enlighten yourself. After spending hundreds of hours researching the topic you might learn something from my posts about it, as well as what others have had to say.

A basic understanding of what safe and "unsafe sex" is, is important. It's not all about condoms or the lack thereof. Here's a link for you on that:

[URL]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Safe_sex[/URL]

As to my comment with the different ages of females, I didn't say they were working girls, but that they were virgins. You appear to have missed the point there also, so I will try a different question this time. How risky is BBFS / barebacking with a virgin? Is it "very risky"? BTW if you've been following the Bangkok thread recently there was a discussion re a guy interested in finding a virgin TG to pay for sex.

[QUOTE=ActionOriented;1603909] Justifying BBFS by illustrating random instances of airline crashes, smoking, motor accidents doesn't take away from the fact that one is still at high risk of infection when indulging in unsafe sex.[/QUOTE]No it doesn't take away from the fact that one is still at high risk of infection. But one can argue how high that risk is. PinkPearl is putting things into perspective.

[QUOTE=Mogwai;1604152]No it doesn't take away from the fact that one is still at high risk of infection. But one can argue how high that risk is. PinkPearl is putting things into perspective.[/QUOTE]Yet it's the wrong perspective. Flying an Antonov AN 12 into some war zone of Congo is a more appropriate comparison. Not to mention that some people have to get into Goma on such carriers while BBFS with prostitutes is not really necessary.

[QUOTE=Nullnull;1604264]Flying an Antonov AN 12 into some war zone of Congo is a more appropriate comparison.[/QUOTE]Did the Russians invade the Congo? Someone has to tell the CIA.