Bangkok Reports

[QUOTE=Globotto;1350963]I think its a scam to get the man to want to just get it over with as soon as possible with absolutely terrible dis functional performance. She pulled out her phone and told me she is calling Mafia pause Police. The access to GFE's was what offset all that and made it great to be here.[/QUOTE]Kudos for being brave and doing the right thing. Most punters would have just paid up chalking it to experience. From an individual point of view, even if you know she's bluffing, a 5% risk of a run-in with some goons is not worth 500-1000 baht savings. However, paying them the full fare for intentionally botched service only encourages this sort of behavior.

My last freelancer pickup from Sukhumwit (many months ago) also did a no-service full-fare dance and threatened me with police or mafia (to which I threatened her with my equally imaginary Jakuza pal). Once they start on this road, it's a no-win situation for both. Back in the good old days, if the relationship was not consummated, a 200 baht cancellation fee used to be sufficient.

Bangkok is pretty much dead for GFE-type deals with freelancers. Sure, it's still possible to run into an occasional good experience, but only 3 years ago (in 2009 and earlier) decent experiences were pretty much the norm for 1000 baht, any night of the year. For quite a long time I've been walking the Sukhumwit freelancer stretch and realizing there are only leftovers, no notable new arrivals (girls who used to work before in the good times, and fewer of them as days go by, better quality ones quitting faster than the dregs).

Bargirls are expensive and not a great value anymore. Two drinks, a barfine and a 2000 baht ST easily come out to $100, which is a basic hooker quickie price virtually anywhere (in Amsterdam RLD, a session is 50 Euro, cheaper). It used to be the case that in Bangkok Farang-oriented scene you'd get a far better service than elsewhere, but that is no longer the case (to be fair, it's still better, but not dramatically).

There exists the 400-800 low-end Thai-oriented scene, with girls looking better than most Sukhumwit freelancers & bargirls, but that's almost always the strict wham-bam-thank-you-mam prostitution which exists the world over, with BJ being a negotiated extra and leisurely GFE impossible.

Pattaya lives on, however, and while the Beach Road freelancers do not look all that amazing, they still provide a very decent basic service, tend to be friendly and available for extended-stay arrangements, and are a great value at 500 baht. It used to be the case that freelancers in Bangkok and Pattaya were similar service-wise (but there was a rougly 2x price difference) , but that no longer holds. For a serious monger with the option of going to Pattaya, there is no point even looking in Bangkok anymore, except for specialist establishments (like Mango or Tulip) , or very expensive better-looks, average-service places (Rachada massage parlors, G-clubs etc).

Day 2 wasn't as eventful as Day 1. I had a friend coming to join me for the rest of the trip next day early morning so I didn't want to go all out. In the afternoon I wanted to give DR. BJ a try, headed over to the street and walked in to the shop. The lady working there called all the girls and about 10-15 girls lined up. I chose the girl with the fake tits and silicone lips that has been talked about here. She was a consultant at 1000 Baht. She walks me up the stairs and on the way I ask if it is possible for a double team. She says yes and she can recommend one for me, I told her great you choose and lets see. She leaves the room and comes back with a girl, now if I was choosing I would never have chosen this girl but since they are friends I decided to go with it. The only problem was the rooms are too small. There is hardly enough room for myself and a girl so bringing 2 girls into the mix was a mistake and uncomfortable. It showed because after 30 minutes the phone in the room rang and we were told our time was up. I couldn't finish. They asked if I wanted a further 30 mins but I politely declined as I knew I wasn't going to be able to reach the finish line. I don't blame the girls or their performance, I just wasn't feeling it. Damage was 2000 Baht, a thousand per girl.

I am at a point in my life now that I am pickier. I am not going just for sex and to reach my climax and get out of the room. I enjoy the whole experience of getting to know someone, at least briefly, and hanging out a bit before doing the deed. I get plenty of sex back home on the regular so I am not desperate by any means. I do enjoy the new girl experience but I have high standards (sometimes too high) and this hinders me from choosing girls in Thailand because lets face it I would say 80-85 percent of girls just do not do it for me. That figure might be even higher. This was evident because later that night I visited the bars next to Nana, ended up hanging out quite a bit, checked out a few bars in NEP, went back to Liquid and didn't end up choosing anyone. There was just no one that was doing it for me so back to the hotel I went around 3:30 am for a good night's sleep.

Day 3 my buddy shows up at the hotel early and we meet up in the lobby and I take him to his room and we catch up for a bit. Now he has come off from a long trip all the way from the Gulf and it's his first time in Thailand. I tell him why don't we go and unwind in Annies as he needed a massage. He quickly obliged and we cross the street and in no more then 20 steps from the hotel door we are entering Annies. This fish bowl only had 4 girls when we walked in and I had chosen my girl before we even got up to the glass. My friend chooses his and we go into our rooms. Now do not ask me for numbers or names because I don't remember any of them and I truly do not believe that my experiences will be the same as anyone else's anyway. It's all about the connection you have from the girl so your story could be better or worse with the girl that I chose. The chick was cute and had nice fake boobs and a flat stomach, that was all I needed to know.

We go into the room with a Singha in hand, asked for an ashtray and smoked a cigarette and sipped on my beer as she got her bag of goodies and started to fill the tub. This time we started on the mat next to the tub, the usual soapy and sliding up and down my body. Again a little quick and hard for my liking but the girl was very pleasant, she laughed and smiled a lot, her English was good and she gave great head so who was I to complain. First round was CIM from some great head and then off to the massage table. The massage was alright, she started going down on me pretty quickly again, strapped on a rubber and we started with her on top, then reverse, then missionary. I told her that it would be hard for me to finish but she took that as a challenge. She went down on my, tried for a good 10 minutes but no luck. We move into the tub, some more rubbing and head and our time was up. All in all I had a great time, only finished once again but all was good. Damage was the standard. 2400 Baht I think.

My friend was already finished, we settled up our tab and left. My friend said that while he was waiting for me he saw a lot of hot girls working there that were already in with some customers so I didn't get a chance to see what he was talking about. I didn't complain though, I was happy with what I got and I never sit and think of the what if's and I wishes. We walked the bars a bit but my friend was tired, we head back to the hotel, he takes a nap and surprisingly I get some shut eye for an hour or two.

That night we hit Hillary 4 then Nana. We do the usual rounds then hit Bed SupperClub, Q Bar, Climax and then Liquid. We are both fussy so we go home empty handed but nevertheless had a great time bar hopping and we got to see the hotspots. Lots of cute girls working and nonworking girls in BED and Q Bar. Climax and Liquid are of course hookerville so picking up isn't hard at all. Most of the girls in climax and liquid were not up to par and we end up going home alone again. Oh well!

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp; 1351080]Bangkok is pretty much dead for GFE-type deals with freelancers. Sure, it's still possible to run into an occasional good experience, but only 3 years ago (in 2009 and earlier) decent experiences were pretty much the norm for 1000 baht, any night of the year. For quite a long time I've been walking the Sukhumwit freelancer stretch and realizing there are only leftovers, no notable new arrivals (girls who used to work before in the good times, and fewer of them as days go by, better quality ones quitting faster than the dregs).

Bargirls are expensive and not a great value anymore. Two drinks, a barfine and a 2000 baht ST easily come out to $100, which is a basic hooker quickie price virtually anywhere (in Amsterdam RLD, a session is 50 Euro, cheaper). It used to be the case that in Bangkok Farang-oriented scene you'd get a far better service than elsewhere, but that is no longer the case (to be fair, it's still better, but not dramatically).

Except for specialist establishments (like Mango or Tulip) [/QUOTE]Here Here. I will chime in on this as well. For years free lancers were my bread and butter, but I have just about given up with the poor quality of service that is out there. Of the last 10 free lancers I have had. 8 were disasters, wanting only to provide a quick wham bam with a substandard BJ. Lots of "rules" have crept into the game, no DFK, no fingers, etc. Immediately upon sensing that a session is going south, I explain to the gal that I expect her to "do" me like we are in a "sex movie" or like her boyfriend (of course this has all been talked about up front before I even agree to take the gal) , then if the session does not improve, I am up dressed and the gal is 100 baht or 0 baht richer. Sad that just a few short years ago. 9 out of 10 sessions were usually great.

I know there are lots of guys who have the time and patience to cultivate a short term "relationship" with these gals, ie off for a drink, food, back to their own place for a cocktail and conversation, and they tend to get really good milage out of the gals that way. I have never really desired that with working girls, so that extra effort just is not in my game plan and never was. That attention is reserved for the girlfriend.

Sad that the "scene" has degraded to this point. Lots of reasons, higher salaries for gals in BKK, the Internet (a girl with half a brain and some foreign language skills can do a whole lot better online and does not have to walk the street, sit in the BG, or go out at all, except on a date where they will be paid) , the changing tourist demographics of the Nana area, and punters who take what they get and don't throw girls out for poor performance.

Again, I agree with you on Mango and Tulip. Oily establishments are about 90% of my partaking these days.
As for Pattaya, I just can't stand the human detritus you have to walk through in that town. Unfortunately Sukhumvit is becoming the same as Pattaya. I cannot really stomach the Nana area these days. Twas a pretty ok area 13 years ago. It is not now, but that is another discussion altogether.

Sorry for the off-topic post but I couldn't find a more appropriate thread. I'm going to visit a female friend in Thailand in a couple weeks and wanted to bring her a small gift. Any suggestions on a good (non-sexual oriented) gift for a Thai woman friend?

[QUOTE=SexPerimenter;1351189]Sorry for the off-topic post but I couldn't find a more appropriate thread. I'm going to visit a female friend in Thailand in a couple weeks and wanted to bring her a small gift. Any suggestions on a good (non-sexual oriented) gift for a Thai woman friend?[/QUOTE]A box of chocolates.

I'm staying in a very respectful place this trip and wanted to solicit to get ideas of where to go on or near soi Langsuan. Several nice massage places on the street, but nothing I have found offering extras. Any suggestions? I know Akane massage near the Holliday inn, but I would like more than just an oiled rub.

Let me know.

And for the guy wanting to give a gift to his Thai friend, anything from Louis Vuitton goes over well, or just give her money, so she can spend anyway she wants. Unless she is from a wealthy family or well educated, the gift of money is not an insult. Many women here simply assume men should give them money simply because they look good. Strange but true.

[QUOTE=Gringo A; 1351002]Hey,

Planning a trip to Pattaya and BKK soon. You'll know how pretty and beautiful the LB's look now. Thanks (?) to the recent day medics!

Can some seniors here let me (and everyone) know whats your approch if you wish to confirm from someone who you think might be a LB, if she / he is one? I do not wish to hurt them, but its not just most of us want to spend a night with someone who is not naturally a she. I am aware there are ways to find out, but am asking what if a ameteur cannot make out with all the hints given?

How do you guys ask someone to make sure, in a polite / gentleman way?

Gringo[/QUOTE]Height and width of shoulders is a good first indicator. Adams apple if you can see one is a dead give-away but the lack of one does not confirm female status as these can now be surgically removed. Veins on the back of the hands can be another sign as is large feet. Silicone breasts are so prevalent that having them doesn't tell you anything. Finally a deep voice and cheaper asking fee can be tell tale signs. I once had a Filipino LB pursue me for 5 mins on Soi 4 offering his services for 500 baht (I politely declined). Although you do have to be careful how you respond to them, I. E if you insult them or [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] them off they can become nasty very quickly, I have never had a bad response just asking them straight out "are you lady-boy"? Or in Thai Katoei.

Regards.

BJ

[QUOTE=SexPerimenter;1351189]Sorry for the off-topic post but I couldn't find a more appropriate thread. I'm going to visit a female friend in Thailand in a couple weeks and wanted to bring her a small gift. Any suggestions on a good (non-sexual oriented) gift for a Thai woman friend?[/QUOTE]A coffee mug with the name of your city on it.

[QUOTE=Globotto;1350963]So I tapped out before intercourse and said that's it. Its totally pointless to go on. This is not going to work. She got dressed and I gave her some money to which she protested me to pay in full. I said no way. She got 50% and no tip.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=Crocodilexp;1351080]However, paying them the full fare for intentionally botched service only encourages this sort of behavior. Back in the good old days, if the relationship was not consummated, a 200 baht cancellation fee used to be sufficient.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=Goatscrot;1351178]I explain to the gal that I expect her to "do" me like we are in a "sex movie" or like her boyfriend (of course this has all been talked about up front before I even agree to take the gal) , then if the session does not improve, I am up dressed and the gal is 100 baht or 0 baht richer.[/QUOTE]My vote goes to 0 baht richer. Giving any amount just encourages the behavior. If I was the girl I would think that I could run the same game 4 times / day, not have to fuck anybody, and go home 2000 baht richer. I'm on the side to let her KNOW that if she does not do her job she is not receiving a paycheck. If I came to your house to install a toilet but all of a sudden I don't have the right tools for the job you mean you are going to give me partial payment and send me on my way never to return? Hell to the no. You are not going to give me shit. Chase me away from your house is what you will probably do. So why are you giving them shit?

[QUOTE=Globotto;1350963]She pulled out her phone and told me she is calling Mafia pause Police.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=Crocodilexp;1351080]Kudos for being brave and doing the right thing. Most punters would have just paid up chalking it to experience. From an individual point of view, even if you know she's bluffing, a 5% risk of a run-in with some goons is not worth 500-1000 baht savings.[/QUOTE]I think I have heard that one from at least 1 girl on every continent and have not once seen anyone show up. I've even taken a girl's phone and dialed the police for her. Of course she just hung up and kept trying to plead her case to me. That shit falls on deaf ears. The girl just eventually leaves pissed off that she couldn't put one over on you. Dude, she is a damn hooker. How the hell is she going to get pull from the police or mafia and she can't rub two coins together? THINK! The worse she can try to do is break your shit up. And when it gets to that point you pick her ass up and throw her out of your room and let security do their job.

Saw this really cute girl at Down inder on Soi 7 serving drinks? Any idea if the girls there can be bar fined for ST?

[QUOTE=SexPerimenter;1351189]Sorry for the off-topic post but I couldn't find a more appropriate thread. I'm going to visit a female friend in Thailand in a couple weeks and wanted to bring her a small gift. Any suggestions on a good (non-sexual oriented) gift for a Thai woman friend?[/QUOTE]Jewelry? Visa and work permit for your country? Marriage licence?

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational; 1351247]My vote goes to 0 baht richer. Giving any amount just encourages the behavior. If I was the girl I would think that I could run the same game 4 times / day, not have to fuck anybody, and go home 2000 baht richer. I'm on the side to let her KNOW that if she does not do her job she is not receiving a paycheck. If I came to your house to install a toilet but all of a sudden I don't have the right tools for the job you mean you are going to give me partial payment and send me on my way never to return? Hell to the no. You are not going to give me shit. Chase me away from your house is what you will probably do. So why are you giving them shit?

I think I have heard that one from at least 1 girl on every continent and have not once seen anyone show up. I've even taken a girl's phone and dialed the police for her. Of course she just hung up and kept trying to plead her case to me. That shit falls on deaf ears. The girl just eventually leaves pissed off that she couldn't put one over on you. Dude, she is a damn hooker. How the hell is she going to get pull from the police or mafia and she can't rub two coins together? THINK! The worse she can try to do is break your shit up. And when it gets to that point you pick her ass up and throw her out of your room and let security do their job.[/QUOTE]You guys are begging for a beatdown and will, at some point, be eating concrete. You may get a kitchen knife stuck in your chest. All for a few dollars. You're stupid assholes who think you are rough tough big shots. With that attitude you'll get a much deserved payback probably sooner than you think. R. I. P.

[QUOTE=JesseJames;1351272]You guys are begging for a beatdown and will, at some point, be eating concrete. You may get a kitchen knife stuck in your chest. All for a few dollars. You're stupid assholes who think you are rough tough big shots. With that attitude you'll get a much deserved payback probably sooner than you think. R. I. P.[/QUOTE]Payback? For what? For not allowing someone to rip you off? For insisting on a fair exchange? It seems like you have the game fucked up. They didn't stop making knives when they made the first one. 100+ countries and countless broads and what I am telling you has not failed me or any of my wingmen to date. I'm not telling you what I heard, I am telling you what I know and have lived. Keep proving yourself to be a mark and that is what you will forever be. Get some heart about yourself. Lose the skirt and try on a pair of pants for a change dude.

[QUOTE=JesseJames;1351272]You guys are begging for a beatdown and will, at some point, be eating concrete. You may get a kitchen knife stuck in your chest. All for a few dollars. You're stupid assholes who think you are rough tough big shots. With that attitude you'll get a much deserved payback probably sooner than you think. R. I. P.[/QUOTE]You having a bad day JJ. What are you saying? If somebody threatens you, you pay up. In a customer / hooker situation a question arises as to how far the experience progresses before the customer decides he's not getting what he was promised and more importantly whose fault that is. Unfortunately there are dickheads out there who made a habit of abusing the girls but the opposite is also true. In the situation described the girl said that if he wasn't happy he did not have to pay, consequently 50% was more than reasonable and in no way should he have allowed himself to be intimidated, kitchen knife or no kitchen knife.