Jakarta

[QUOTE=BlackEngine44;3009857] ...

As a sidenote, girls in Jakarta look really young and I find it problematic. I am not interested in teenagers and would like my options to be solidly 20 years old and above.

...[/QUOTE]Teenagers are much rarer than you think. Mamasans and girls lie about ages (especially to Westerners?). One mamasan at Classic's brought me a girl claiming she had no children and was "lima belas tahun!". No way she was that young by a long shot. I pride myself on being aware of poor age discrimination when it comes to Asian women, but I have been wrong quite often in Jakarta, thinking I had a late teen girl when in fact I had one in her late twenties.

[QUOTE=Gabacho;3009893]Yea I requested to have that post deleted. I was half drunk when I wrote. It and didn't even realize that I missed the tattoo. However I did redact the eyes which is a lot more than some other posters who post pictures here do.[/QUOTE]Hey G, how did you start building your civilians harem? Was someone from Lokasari first who referred more ladies to you? And do you place in Medellin or you just keep renting some place? Thanks.

I am very surprised you found emporium as average and 1001 just good enough. For me both these places are kick ass in terms of quality, one can complain about the service not the quality on display. You'll have a hard time in Jakarta going forward and going by your report you seem to be very choosy. I think (just my feel don't be upset) Jakarta is not for you unless you lower your standards, try Middle East or west central Asia or Russia. Better face features better body structure and quality, though service may vary. Jakarta seems to be working for those who prefer good service and also for those who are price sensitive for example classic. If your sole aim is quality then my best wishes to you.

For me Quality rating:

1001 - ten on ten.

Emporium. Eight or nine on ten.

Classic. Five or six on ten with the occasional gems who are seven to eight on ten.

Just my 2 cents.

[QUOTE=BlackEngine44;3009857]Late last year report on Jarkarta.

Checked out 3 places, emporium, classic and 1001 pool.

Classic: Was really disappointed in this one because of how hyped it is. I spent all night in T2 checking the place out and did not find any ladies pretty enough to room with. I am by far a quality over quantity guy and because how cheap Jakarta is for this hobby, even the quality options would be considered the budget options in other countries. It was also way too smoky and the mamasans are way too aggressive, giving you little freedom of movement and choice until you put your foot down.

Emporium: Half the price of 1001 pool as you get both the pool experience and bedroom experience for a single price. However the choices of ladies left much to be desired. I came in with only a dozen ladies available for selection and none of them were worth taking. I left disappointed.[/QUOTE]

No bro, I meant outside at her normal price or a little more. Certainly not at 6-7 time. I rather go to emporium next door.

[QUOTE=Gabacho;3009895]From what I understand from talking to the girls is that you can bring them home for an overnight session but it costs tuju (7) vouchers. So in other words 365 k X 7 = 2,555,000 rupiah for an overnight session.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Boris1047;3009917]Hey G, how did you start building your civilians harem? Was someone from Lokasari first who referred more ladies to you? And do you place in Medellin or you just keep renting some place? Thanks.[/QUOTE]It started from an indomaret parking lot attendant dude (the guys who wear blue vests) at an indomaret on mangga besar. He brought me a girl, then I exchanged WhatsApp numbers with her and she started bringing me girls. Then it kinda took different pathways thru the various girls, sometimes reaching a dead end sometimes branching off into plentiful rewards. I think they are actually semi-pro girls rather than actual civvies but they are definitely different than your regular lokasari girls.

And my place In Medellin is just a rental, I don't own it or anything. It's about $130 a month. I'll most likely be returning there sometime later this year. But then again I am currently in love with Jakarta.

Gabacho.

[QUOTE=SuperLove;3009929]No bro, I meant outside at her normal price or a little more. Certainly not at 6-7 time. I rather go to emporium next door.[/QUOTE]Oh sorry I misunderstood your question. I do have a cpl of them on WhatsApp but for the most part they are unresponsive. I know shentiya does answer me on WhatsApp tho and has even reached out asking me when I'm going to repeat with her lol. I'm not sure if they would be willing to meet outside of classic but idk why not. You would probably have to see the said girl inside classic first and then get her WhatsApp and if she is responsive to your messages then try to ask about that. I've never gone that route as I'm more of a numbers guy rather than a repeat guy. I've only been repeating with the one that acts like a girlfriend.

You should try that with some classic girls and see if you are successful and then report back about it. That would be interesting to see if it could be done and at what price point they would come to you outside of work hours.

Gabacho.

It would be exceedingly rare and difficult, but not impossible to arrange visits to your hotel from a lady in Classic, Travel, KI, etc.

Those ladies are mostly all on contract and paying off debt for their brother's new ojek, their father's gambling debt, or furnishings for the house for the mother. Or the house itself back in the kampung. They live in a mes or dormitory with several other ladies. They are not slaves, but they are watched by a handler for their agent that loaned her family money, while they pay off their debt. They can't easily break away from the mes to spend an hour with you. They can leave to go get food, go shopping, etc. But not freelance.

A key question to ask the lady if this is something you want to arrange is if she stays in a mes or kos (apartment.) If she stays at the mes. You can mostly forget it. She would have to really know you and trust you and you would have to make it worth her while. But she is absolutely not going to come see you for the same price you get at Classic or even double that. Her coming to see you is always significantly more expensive than on site. Freelance booking out or voucher booking out from the venue is always just more expensive. If she has her own apartment, she is probably not on contract and can do whatever she wants. But you still wont get her to come for the standard on site price or a little more. I guess you could also ask her if she is on contract or not as that is mostly the determining factor. But you would probably do better to just pay the booking out price at that point, however many vouchers it is for the particular establishment.

I have only successfully arranged this once. But haven't put significant effort into it either. Pre Covid I had a regular lady from a Kelapa Gading establishment that would come visit me very early Saturday mornings when she told her handler she was going shopping. I paid her 2 million to come visit me. (Probably too much, but booking out in general is quite a bit more expensive than on site.) I almost always got two pops out of it though.

Another lady I knew from Travel had recently stopped working and still lived in Jakarta. I offered her 500 K to come see me and she asked for 1. 5 million. She was like. "Don't you know the booking out price?" We eventually agreed to 1 million and I paid for the Gojek car to and from my place. It was raining or I would have put her on an ojek. So the car itself was like 200K+ round trip. She was not close.

[QUOTE=Gabacho;3009950]Oh sorry I misunderstood your question. I do have a cpl of them on WhatsApp but for the most part they are unresponsive. I know shentiya does answer me on WhatsApp tho and has even reached out asking me when I'm going to repeat with her lol. I'm not sure if they would be willing to meet outside of classic but idk why not. You would probably have to see the said girl inside classic first and then get her WhatsApp and if she is responsive to your messages then try to ask about that. I've never gone that route as I'm more of a numbers guy rather than a repeat guy. I've only been repeating with the one that acts like a girlfriend.

You should try that with some classic girls and see if you are successful and then report back about it. That would be interesting to see if it could be done and at what price point they would come to you outside of work hours.

Gabacho.[/QUOTE]

What I really miss in Jakarta a good options for morning or early afternoon sex. TF in Pattaya gives you an abundance of opportunities for this. So far, I didn't have a lot of success with the online options in Jakarta. And not a single girl of the above mentioned venues would see me before her shift. The only chance to see these girls in my hotel room would be on their day off. Please don't think these girls get one day off per week. It's usually less. And a girl that only has two free days per month is not going to get up early just to meet a horny monger in his hotel room.

[QUOTE=NoGermaphobe;3009860]
Then sometime in early 2008, there was an HIV scare that went around. I believe it started with a lady working in Travel. Rumor was that it was a foreigner that infected her. Or at least they were blamed. Regardless, overnight the scene dramatically changed. Ladies there would not even look at a bule. [/QUOTE]Bad bule! Bule bad! Yep, want a scapegoat, look for whitey. Skin colour of scapegoat may be subject to change without notice.

In 2009, at Bintang Mawar in Lokasari, I couldn't get any interest from mama or the girls. Till I spotted a girl I know from multiple venues and private visits. In the room, when asking why I was being ignored, she said Bule bring bombs. Ignore the bule, they go away, so do the bombings. There was a recent bombing, but it wasn't in Bali, or even remotely where a bule is likely to go. But yep, it was our fault. This is also the time when the only Bule I've ever seen in that area was in Stadium, and that was in the club only. I was in the area often.

I also asked her if locals used condoms. The answer? "Sometimes".

Considering there are only two venues and one area under discussion here, whilst other venues still active are ignored (even though gaining mention in very recent years), I'd expect Travel and Classic mania will die down one the reports start coming in of the ordinary experience. As these places were renowned for pre-covid. Not that anyone looks back far enough to note that. Guess you had to be there.

The lack of exploration outside of 1 square km of Jakarta, and two buildings there at that, will see Jakarta falls off the chatty forums due to having gone 'downhill'.

Bro I banged more than a dozen of them and with each took their respective nos. But the problem is either they don't respond to my messages or send me semi auto messages and makes you wonder if they are being handled by a male handler. Anyways there are too many chicks to be tried and tested at classic.

[QUOTE=Gabacho;3009950]Oh sorry I misunderstood your question. I do have a cpl of them on WhatsApp but for the most part they are unresponsive. I know shentiya does answer me on WhatsApp tho and has even reached out asking me when I'm going to repeat with her lol. I'm not sure if they would be willing to meet outside of classic but idk why not. You would probably have to see the said girl inside classic first and then get her WhatsApp and if she is responsive to your messages then try to ask about that. I've never gone that route as I'm more of a numbers guy rather than a repeat guy. I've only been repeating with the one that acts like a girlfriend.

You should try that with some classic girls and see if you are successful and then report back about it. That would be interesting to see if it could be done and at what price point they would come to you outside of work hours.

Gabacho.[/QUOTE]

Couldn't have agreed more on this, most public working girl houses open by 2 pm and good enough only by 4-5 pm, good influx of ladies by then. Morning wood is a big problem in Jakarta that's where an overnighter comes into play.

[QUOTE=Safado70;3009970]What I really miss in Jakarta a good options for morning or early afternoon sex. TF in Pattaya gives you an abundance of opportunities for this. So far, I didn't have a lot of success with the online options in Jakarta. And not a single girl of the above mentioned venues would see me before her shift. The only chance to see these girls in my hotel room would be on their day off. Please don't think these girls get one day off per week. It's usually less. And a girl that only has two free days per month is not going to get up early just to meet a horny monger in his hotel room.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=SuperLove;3009918]I am very surprised you found emporium as average and 1001 just good enough. For me both these places are kick ass in terms of quality, one can complain about the service not the quality on display. You'll have a hard time in Jakarta going forward and going by your report you seem to be very choosy. I think (just my feel don't be upset) Jakarta is not for you unless you lower your standards, try Middle East or west central Asia or Russia. Better face features better body structure and quality, though service may vary. Jakarta seems to be working for those who prefer good service and also for those who are price sensitive for example classic. If your sole aim is quality then my best wishes to you.

For me Quality rating:

1001 - ten on ten.

Emporium. Eight or nine on ten.

Classic. Five or six on ten with the occasional gems who are seven to eight on ten.

Just my 2 cents.[/QUOTE]Thank you for this comment as it would allow me to open up an interesting topic on rating. Each man has their own rating system and I think ISG in general is very generous to look ratings. I try my best to be realistic so readers can manage their expectations.

I have personally never mongered in a place with more than 5 "good picks" at any given time as I generally am choosy, however its a fun challenge and part of the hunt for me.

My idea is that for me to pay, she has to be worth it. Someone not easily encountered and really a standout from the average girl. So I only aim for 8, 9's. I don't even look at 6's and below while 7's would depend on how desperate I am. I would rather not get any action than do it with a 6 and below since I physically would not be able to maintain my erection long enough to finish without the help of pills in that scenario.

So here is my relative rating system (this should work anywhere in the world):

1-6: Don't even notice these and filter them out right away.

7: Objectively a cutie. Everyone can objectively say she is cuter than the average woman in the world. She would be a classroom crush or a pretty girl in her school. An average looking man or uglier (5 or below) would be happy to date her.

8: Objectively pretty. A clear standout from the average and can be easily spotted in a room. At this level, they can easily become micro-influencers in their city. These are the girls who have a distinct advantage in climbing the corporate ladder because of their looks. Pretty privilege would start at this level and retail workers will likely smile when serving them.

9: Print ad model. These girls can be a print ad model in their home countries / ethnic segment. Think fast fashion models in ads you see around a local clothing store.

10: Celebrities. These women are outright celebrity level in their home countries.

[QUOTE=Safado70;3009970]What I really miss in Jakarta a good options for morning or early afternoon sex. TF in Pattaya gives you an abundance of opportunities for this. So far, I didn't have a lot of success with the online options in Jakarta. And not a single girl of the above mentioned venues would see me before her shift. The only chance to see these girls in my hotel room would be on their day off. Please don't think these girls get one day off per week. It's usually less. And a girl that only has two free days per month is not going to get up early just to meet a horny monger in his hotel room.[/QUOTE]On TF few girls will be available to come in early afternoon, and very few indeed in the morning, except some girls who've been with a john all night and don't mind doing an additional short time on the way home, but who wants a girl who's sleepy and fresh from some other man's bed?

Strange that not a single Jakarta girl would see you before their shift. Where is your hotel? If you have a hotel not far from Classic, my experience is quite a few girls will love to come to your hotel early before their shift, provided they're part of the early shift.

[QUOTE=HungMan1808;3009987]The lack of exploration outside of 1 square km of Jakarta, and two buildings there at that, will see Jakarta falls off the chatty forums due to having gone 'downhill'.[/QUOTE]Do you have any suggestions which places are worth exploring?

[QUOTE=XXL;3010060]Strange that not a single Jakarta girl would see you before their shift. Where is your hotel? If you have a hotel not far from Classic, my experience is quite a few girls will love to come to your hotel early before their shift, provided they're part of the early shift.[/QUOTE]I usually stay at Holiday Inn or Red Top hotel. Should be close enough, don't you think?