Bangkok Reports

[QUOTE=JesseJames;1352133]Thailand, Cambodia and Burma are the only places in the world where you pay the girl after sex.[/QUOTE]Come on mannnnn. The only places that I pay before are in established joints like a soapie or termas where it is required. Even in Angeles City I pay the girls from the bar after and let them bring it back to the bar. Colombia casa girls, after. Lima street walker, after. Nigeria hotel disco girl, after. Fuck houses in Bali, after. I will NEVER pay a free lancer before.
[QUOTE=JesseJames;1352133] 1000 Bt is nothing. Guys pay twice that for a lap dance in the West.[/QUOTE]Where is this happening, in a cabaret on the French Riviera? US$60 for a lap dance? I'm from Atlanta, home of the $5 table dance. Hell you can fuck the strippers in the club for $40.

[QUOTE=JesseJames;1352133]In Tijauna, for example, you pay the agreed price, than the girl says "Sin Ropa, $5." Extra for this and that. You have to pay upfront. If you don't pay she keeps her top on. Simple as that.[/QUOTE]Bullshit. They pull that on guys that don't know any better. I was just in TJ 2 nights ago. I got a girl from the alley about 15 steps from Hong Kong. 200 pesos paid AFTER SIN ROPA! You are the one with the cash. You should try making some rules instead of going along with whatever they throw at you.

[QUOTE=JesseJames;1352133]It's a disgrace to cheat them out of 1, 000. Bt because some jerk doesn't like their attitude or other trivial thing. You want to intimidate a single mom because you're some big shot falang, shame on you.[/QUOTE]Bro, I think you are confusing the argument. Nobody said not to pay after services are rendered. We said 1) put her out without giving her anything or 2) put her out with only a partial payment if you get to the room and things start going sour BEFORE intercourse.

[QUOTE=JesseJames;1352133]Thailand is the best scene in the world.[/QUOTE]Now you are talking sense. I agree with this 100%!

Both Mr Ent and JJ have valid points. But the crux of the matter is the attitude with which you treat the girls. Whilst they may be rough farm stock from the fields of Issan they

Are often far more worldly than the punters in Thailand ignorant beyond their own back yard in the USA or Europe. Thes punters fly into Bangkok thinking every Thai girl is going

To open their legs for a few dollars and treat them far better than their girl friend back home.

It comes down to respect; not an issue of paying before or after. That is irrelevant. What is important is that the girl gets paid.

A taxi fare home if she gets back with you to the hotel and goes sullen;

A short time fee if after a couple of hours she wants to leave after agreeing LT; and the full fee if she stays long time.

Remember, you may think you are anonymous but if you don't treat a girl from the Beer Garden decently, every girl there will know about it by lunch time next day.

Hi Guys,

I have a question. Probably a bit unusual for here.

Actually I am not only looking for pretty thai girls and good sex but actually a bit more. Namely a hot cutie which I potentially can meet over and over again. I wondered if anybody has experience or heared of girls looking for "sponsorship" in exchange for a "steady affair" with a bit more privacy. Indeed I would not even rule out thai offspring.

I will be back to BKK early next year. What is the (I) best area to leave there currently (this business district, called?) and (ii) what are the nice areas to go out (I once was at a very nice open air disco shown by a local girl but I can't remember the name) ; this soi cowboy street, . Is a bit too much for me. To obvious.

Cheers!

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational; 1352136]Come on mannnnn. The only places that I pay before are in established joints like a soapie or termas where it is required. Even in Angeles City I pay the girls from the bar after and let them bring it back to the bar. Colombia casa girls, after. Lima street walker, after. Nigeria hotel disco girl, after. Fuck houses in Bali, after. I will NEVER pay a free lancer before.

Where is this happening, in a cabaret on the French Riviera? US$60 for a lap dance? I'm from Atlanta, home of the $5 table dance. Hell you can fuck the strippers in the club for $40.

Bullshit. They pull that on guys that don't know any better. I was just in Tijuana 2 nights ago. I got a girl from the alley about 15 steps from Hong Kong. 200 pesos paid AFTER SIN ROPA! You are the one with the cash. You should try making some rules instead of going along with whatever they throw at you.

Bro, I think you are confusing the argument. Nobody said not to pay after services are rendered. We said 1) put her out without giving her anything or 2) put her out with only a partial payment if you get to the room and things start going sour BEFORE intercourse.

Now you are talking sense. I agree with this 100%[/QUOTE]Let me clarify this. If we go to the room and she wants the money upfront, the deal's off. No payment. Otherwise, when the clothes come off. I pay.

[QUOTE=JesseJames;1352165]Let me clarify this. If we go to the room and she wants the money upfront, the deal's off. No payment. Otherwise, when the clothes come off. I pay.[/QUOTE]When not to pay or only partially pay is not that straight forward and has a lot to do with expectations. We have all had disappointing experiences but personally I always pay for whatever I get eg 500/1000/1500 even if it wasn't a great HJ / BJ / FS. I think JJ is really talking about those who deliberately take advantage, looking for services the girl doesn't provide and hasn't agreed to or in fact just about any excuse not to pay what was agreed.

Some girls are natural performers while others although they might try are not and in truth should not be working in P4P but they deserve to be paid and not thrown out just because the punter is disappointed. However there are also some girls out there who are rip off artists and those should never ever be paid a brass nickel. Doing so only encourages them to continue.

On the threat of violence I feel you are being a bit paranoid JJ. I don't know if you have ever been cut by a hooker or her pimp but your posts suggest a fear that in Thailand is minimal or nonexistent.

[QUOTE=Monte3; 1352007]This is sort of a report and a reply, I'm civic minded like that! Went in your place a few weeks ago, Choose letter M, she's a bigger gal some curves. Good service, I fucked her face hard, she took every bit of it. Tipped her well. We were all smiles.

On to your neighborhood football tavern.

Since they can't be barfined, this might encourage some to go it, One never knows unless he asks.[/QUOTE]I completely agree with your point here. Some people do relish a challenge and by all means feel free to approach the ladies in the Down Under bar to try to tempt them. I am sure none of them will be offended but likewise don't be offended if you receive a firm refusal.

Regards.

BJ

[QUOTE=Dr BJ; 1352205]I completely agree with your point here. Some people do relish a challenge and by all means feel free to approach the ladies in the Down Under bar to try to tempt them. I am sure none of them will be offended but likewise don't be offended if you receive a firm refusal.

Regards.

BJ[/QUOTE]Never offended, what one won't do, another will. I chatted with a couple of the girls there a short while back. Didn't petition any for fun. A man can pretty much tell the available ones, After a couple of minutes conversation it was easy to see they weren't working in the sense of the word.

BTW It's interesting to see all the construction on Soi 7/1. Not prying, however more business ventures planned?

[QUOTE=JesseJames; 1352133]Thailand, Cambodia and Burma are the only places in the world where you pay the girl after sex. So, if some guys start not paying them or have some weird cancellation formula, that is going to change the game entirely. The price, here, is cheap enough so that a falang can pay up, even though he may not be entirely satisfied with the service they've been given. 1000 Bt is nothing. Guys pay twice that for a lap dance in the West. The man who doesn't pay a girl is the criminal, guilty of theft of services.

In Tijauna, for example, you pay the agreed price, than the girl says "Sin Ropa, $5." Extra for this and that. You have to pay upfront. If you don't pay she keeps her top on. Simple as that.

Thailand is the best scene in the world. You clowns who think you don't have to pay should be ashamed of yourselves. Most of these girls are come from a background of poverty. Do you think they like some drunken fat slob laying on top of them? Should they do that for free? No.

Most have kids and families to support. It's a disgrace to cheat them out of 1, 000. Bt because some jerk doesn't like their attitude or other trivial thing. You want to intimidate a single mom because you're some big shot falang, shame on you.

You don't know how good you have it here. Go to Brooklyn or Newark, pay some girl and the next thing you know some guys show up with a gun and rob you. Vietnam, too. Most places that have P4P are dangerous. Not here. But that can change if morons start cheating girls out of their hard earned fee. Try to get your money back in Dominican Republic. You're lucky you don't get mugged to begin with.

If you don't pay up, as agreed, some girls will get so mad they will cut you up. Read the Pattaya Mail. It happens a lot.

I've read some comments lately that are nasty, written by hateful mean horrible men who should just get drunk and stay that way and not mess around with the girls in Thailand.

You tell me to go away. The hell with you. I live here. I can't just check out of a hotel and vanish, leaving pissed off people behind.

While we were playing cowboys and indians, these girls were working in the fields and butchering chickens. They are strong and tough. Don't underestimate them. I'm giving you good advice that could save you a lot of problems. Just pay as agreed.[/QUOTE]I have a real issue with the "poor little farm girl" excuse. Most of the women in Thailand are not prostitutes. With the employment climate as it is prostitution is a choice not a necessity. When you choose a profession, whatever it is, you are expected to perform the task at hand, and perform it well. Am I going to pay a refrigerator repair guy that can't fix my fridge and complains the entire time he is at my place? Probably not. Paying a girl full price if services agreed upon were not provided only encourages the girls who are unfit to be working girls. They need to find another job. If you can't at least pretend to be enjoying yourself, then get out of the biz.

Nasty, mean hateful men? Really? We are the ones being scammed. We are the customers. We are just demanding the service that we have been promised. There is no "intimidation" here. If service is provided as agreed upon then monies will be paid. If not, the full amount will not be paid.

[QUOTE=Monte3; 1352209]Never offended, what one won't do, another will. I chatted with a couple of the girls there a short while back. Didn't petition any for fun. A man can pretty much tell the available ones, After a couple of minutes conversation it was easy to see they weren't working in the sense of the word.

BTW It's interesting to see all the construction on Soi 7/1. Not prying, however more business ventures planned?[/QUOTE]We do indeed have plans for the future. The next outlet will be Lord BJ's. Potentially a place on Rachada road and negotiations are currently on-going. Beyond this there are other ideas in the pipe line. Needless to say I will let everyone know when I have something concrete to announce. You are correct in that there has been a lot of regeneration in Soi 7/1 in the last 6-7 months, a very welcome breath of fresh air.

Regards.

BJ

[QUOTE=AliGeeLi; 1352148]Hi Guys,

I have a question. Probably a bit unusual for here.

Actually I am not only looking for pretty thai girls and good sex but actually a bit more. Namely a hot cutie which I potentially can meet over and over again. I wondered if anybody has experience or heared of girls looking for "sponsorship" in exchange for a "steady affair" with a bit more privacy. Indeed I would not even rule out thai offspring.

Cheers![/QUOTE]If you've got the money and are willing to pay, most Thai hooker girls would love to find a sponsor or several sponsors to milk, but don't expect any of them to be faithful while you're away. Sponsorship is a fool's game IMHO; and offspring; well that's just crazy!

[QUOTE=Daddy07;1352220]If you've got the money and are willing to pay, most Thai hooker girls would love to find a sponsor or several sponsors to milk, but don't expect any of them to be faithful while you're away. Sponsorship is a fool's game IMHO; and offspring; well that's just crazy![/QUOTE]I have a mate, long long time BKK resident. He started off with one sponsored gal. Set her up in apartment etc and got to see her twice a week. The deal was she had to be always available for him. He then got bored with regula nookie from her so got girl number two and got her an apartment too. So then his sched was 2 nights with one, two nights with the other. Last time we chatted, he had gone all in, and had got girl number 3.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1352213]With the employment climate as it is prostitution is a choice not a necessity. When you choose a profession, whatever it is, you are expected to perform the task at hand, and perform it well. Am I going to pay a refrigerator repair guy that can't fix my fridge and complains the entire time he is at my place? Probably not. Paying a girl full price if services agreed upon were not provided only encourages the girls who are unfit to be working girls. They need to find another job. If you can't at least pretend to be enjoying yourself, then get out of the biz.[/quote]I agree.

Jesse James, the rare few times that a session with a girl doesn't work out, not only do I not pay, but I ask - and easily get - my barfine back. I guess I'll be stabbed any day now?

It's guys like you who train the girls to think they can do a shit job and get their 2000 bhats anyway.

[QUOTE=JesseJames;1352133]The price, here, is cheap enough so that a falang can pay up, even though he may not be entirely satisfied with the service they've been given[/QUOTE]I think people are talking about a reluctance to perform even a basic level of service as opposed to a slight drop in attitude.

[QUOTE=JesseJames;1352133]The man who doesn't pay a girl is the criminal, guilty of theft of services.[/QUOTE]If you were in a restaurant and the meal you ordered was so sub-standard it was not fit for consumption and they refused to change the dish are you saying you would eat it anyway and pay the bill in total? The guilty party is the restaurant and not the customer.

[QUOTE=JesseJames;1352133]Thailand is the best scene in the world. You clowns who think you don't have to pay should be ashamed of yourselves. Most of these girls are come from a background of poverty. Do you think they like some drunken fat slob laying on top of them? Should they do that for free? No.[/QUOTE]The vast majority of board members are fully aware of the back grounds these girls come from. We are under no illusions that the girls do it out of economic necessity and not for enjoyment. You seem to be suggesting people are expecting to enjoy the full range of services these girls offer and then paying less than the agreed amount or not paying at all I. E sex for free.

What people are saying is, if the girl insists "no kissing","no touching my breast's","no DATY","no clitoral stimulation","no blow-job" and "sex in only one position" for a very short time and this is in direct contravention with what was previously agreed they are not being given what they agreed to pay for and you are branding them as criminals?

One party has failed to deliver on their part of a verbal contract. THE GIRL! People have varying opinions on the next step, some believe a nominal sum or cancelation fee is sufficient, some think no payment is appropriate. Here is the distinction I think you are missing. The board members are telling us that this scenario takes place within the first 5-10 minutes of the encounter. 15 max. They are not saying that after an hour or so and he usual minimum requirements I. E nothing above and beyond they decide to short change the girl or simply refuse to pay her at all because the service rendered was "not all that good".

[QUOTE=JesseJames;1352133]You want to intimidate a single mom because you're some big shot falang, shame on you.[/QUOTE]No one is talking about acting like the big man or intimidating the girls, you missed the point here completely. They are talking about "not being intimidated" or threatened themselves. My only experience like this was a girl from a Soi 4 bar (not Nana Plaza) who asked for 3, 000 after ST after we specifically agreed 2, 000 in the bar.
It was after my team, Chelsea, had won the F. A cup and I think being a bit pissed she tried to take the [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url]! The police were mentioned and I said fine, you can use my phone to call them. What would she have said to the police?"I need your help to make someone pay me the full amount of money for performing an act of prostitution which I know is illegal in Thailand, but can you help me anyway"? No one in their right mind would have crapped themselves and paid the 3, 000 asked for.

[QUOTE=JesseJames;1352133]You don't know how good you have it here.[/QUOTE]Actually we do know. A few days ago I posted a quote from the U. K thread of ISG pointing out someone had paid close to 6, 000 baht for one hour and said how glad I am to be here where, on average, we pay 2, 000 baht for 2 hours.

[QUOTE=JesseJames;1352133]Most places that have P4P are dangerous. Not here.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=JesseJames;1352133]If you don't pay up, as agreed, some girls will get so mad they will cut you up[/QUOTE]Where I come from we call this a contradiction. I really think the stories from Pattaya of Westerners being stabbed or seeing if they can fly from 10 storey building's has a lot more to it than a simple disagreement over 1 or 2, 000 baht.

[QUOTE=JesseJames;1352133]I've read some comments lately that are nasty, written by hateful mean horrible men who should just get drunk and stay that way and not mess around with the girls in Thailand.[/QUOTE]Differing views are what keeps a forum vibrant and interesting, insulting fellow members is not. You seem to have a strong affinity with these working girls, or is it one in particular? Franciscass put it so eloquently, I can vehemently disagree with an opinion you express but I will defend your right to express it. Or words to that effect.

[QUOTE=JesseJames; 1352133]While we were playing cowboys and Indians, these girls were working in the fields and butchering chickens[/QUOTE]While we were playing Cowboys and Indians 95% of these girls were not even born.

[QUOTE=JesseJames;1352133]I'm giving you good advice that could save you a lot of problems. Just pay as agreed.[/QUOTE]No. Not when the service is of such an abysmal standard. As previous posters have pointed out if we all take your "advice" these girls will very quickly come to the conclusion that they are welcome to give unacceptable levels of service and that we customers will be too shit scared to protest. Is that an eventuality you seriously want to encourage? Personally I think it is a nightmare scenario.

Regards.

BJ

[QUOTE=Canyon; 1352099]Dr. BJ:

I was going to try your place in BKK and I saw a girl I liked. I asked to take her to my hotel for two hours. They told me the price was 5, 000 baht which was way too much, so I declined. Why do you charge so much, when the going rate for takeout is 2, 500 to 3, 000 baht?[/QUOTE]You were quoted the correct price. The lady you asked after must have been a consultant, as nurses are available for 3, 000 baht. You are correct in that ST prices are 2, 500 or 3, 000, although I have yet to pay 3K. No doubt this will become a reality in the coming years. We do not offer the call-out service on a ST basis. When you weigh it up it is actually a very cost effective deal. You can have one of the ladies any time after 12 noon and she will stay with you until 8 am the following morning.

When you compare this with a soapy it is twice the price, but a soapy is only for 2 hours. If you go to a go-go bar and try to pick up a girl at say 9 o'clock and ask for LT the vast majority will refuse, in the event you find one who consents you will be quoted 5, 000 baht. This is already 9 hours after one of our girls could have been with you and it's very unlikely she will want to stay until 8 am, sighting a "family problem" at around 4:30 which she has to deal with. An alternative is to use our V. I. P room which is 2, 500 for 2 hours. Although I do appreciate some people prefer to exclusively use their own hotel.

Regards.

BJ

After having failed in my Beergarden (BG) assignment earlier today. Got a phonecall from one regular as I was heading for BG so I returned to hotel to wait in what I can call a nice ass (to be modest). I just recieved a new regular into my "fleet" and she is totaly without limitations. As usal I fail bigtime in my photosessions as I get to obsessed with all the beautiness a girl can withhold. As agreed she had brought her nursing equipment (she is a nurse) so after a quick bathroom session my room is suddenly turned into a hospital as she has quickly changed her outfit into fullblooded nurse. Well well

Spasso / Climax: Went to Spasso. I like to start my visits in BKK with Spasso. I don't know but it has become some sort of tradition. Was crowded and no covercharge (I guess they only have covercharge in the weekends around 700bht`s I believe). Walked into the roundabout of a bar and suddenly lie my eyes on a beautiful girl in silver jeans. We talked and I tried to interperate her body language. Felt she was into having good fun so took her back to the President. Arrived hotel around 2am. As we were getting intimate and she is about to "smoke" me. She asks for condom. I got somewhat surprised this beeing the first time ever a freelancegirl as for sth like this. I instantly felt remote sick and junior went into sleeping mode. I told her what I felt and just simply asked her to leave. She tried to make a scene but could not go through with it as I felt this as a real kickback so I could not care less. I treated her decent and as she left with my 1000BHT compensation we agreed we both been stupid and if we see eachother again we will not kill eachother. You never know from this Thailadies so I like to somewhat not part as enemies, hehe.

Had one minute of thinking going to bed or going to Climax. Put my pants back on and left. Met into Climax. It showed my member card / VIP card whatever had to be renewed. Membercard deal I feel is ok deal as you get your bottle of Vodka for 2000/2500 (according to the brand) and free entrance (I have allways obtained membercard so I don't know the covercharge / entrancefee). Managment set me up with a hidden table in dark corner as my face is easily recognized and I felt the need of some privacy (I knew there would be girls around wanting to meet me and I did not want to meet them). Management well informed of my situation went out for hunt down a nice girl also into ass fucking. They know my liking as dislikes when it comes to girls. As stated above I could not walk around to look for myself. Ariived back with a great looking tiny tiny little stunner from Lao according to her self only 148cm tall. She turned out to be great fun and a very nice GFE exp.

I think Climax is great. They run quite nice live music in combination with DJ activities. PSY is popular these days. Between 2-3am girls from various Go Go show up to have more fun and / or have LT session (after having maby 1-2 ST earlier in the eve). I guess they fancy sleeping in a nice hotelroom compare to their, often, spartanius apt's. So for readers out there this is a nice oppertunity to skip this BF deal and just pick them up later. The going rate (in my case never discuss price but I have a sence of fair deals) in Climax is between 2-3000BHT for LT's and no complaints when girls leave my room.

Enjoy guys.