Jakarta

[QUOTE=HungMan1808;3009987]Considering there are only two venues and one area under discussion here, whilst other venues still active are ignored (even though gaining mention in very recent years), I'd expect Travel and Classic mania will die down one the reports start coming in of the ordinary experience.

The lack of exploration outside of 1 square km of Jakarta, and two buildings there at that, will see Jakarta falls off the chatty forums due to having gone 'downhill'.[/QUOTE]The challenge of Indonesia is that it has always been a backwater compared to the mongering majors. For Jakarta, there is only a single lonely "Jakarta" thread for every subject under the sun. If you compare to Thailand Bangkok, you will see threads for General, BKK Reports, Foreign Ladies, Massage ParlourA, Massage ParlourB, etc. With this organization, there is somewhat of a specialization of where members post their information. Even then, popular discussion venues like Thermae Cafe still don't have a separate thread.

The omnibus "Jakarta" thread means that every topic under the sun, accompanied by everybody's hot take, ends up in one long thread where actual informative posts are quickly buried under other topics, hot takes, quibbling, questions, etc. Then add on non-mongering posts (which may indeed be useful to some) about VOA vs eVOA, kampung dining guides, city transit system, airport taxis, cheap bike taxis, girl friendly hotel checks, etc. Pile on top occasional trolling (eg Grab Feel), shitposting, newbie questions, person-to-person messaging chats, topped with nearly every reply to a long post being a full quote rather than edited. If you are seeking targeted Sex Guide information (eg want to know everything about awesome Classic), one ends up going though a lot of chaff to get to a tiny bit of mongering wheat, but this is the inevitable outcome of an cluttered omnibus thread. Perhaps something like sub threads for General, Lokasari, Classic and Travel, Kota Indah, High End Places (1001, Malio, ?) along with one detailed intro report to each done as a sticky would help to focus the discussions so that other "baru" new venues and methods like MiChat could get space to breathe before getting buried. If I look back at the last 50 pages, the only thing that came out really new to me was MiChat. If it proves to be the gold mine that some are claiming, then it would deserve its own thread too. As it stands now, you have to go back 10+ pages to know it even exists.

If this resonates, maybe the OG vets could have a think about this and suggest improvements to the moderator. Until then IMHO, all matter will flow into the Jakarta Ganges thread and people can scroll scroll scroll. Enjoy Jakarta, AR.

[QUOTE=Safado70;3010065]I usually stay at Holiday Inn or Red Top hotel. Should be close enough, don't you think?[/QUOTE]Yes, and my wingman who was in Jakarta just for a few days sessioned only one girl from Classic. The next two days the girls came to his hotel room around midday. He also got one girl at night from the street (Lokasari) on the eve of his flight. This girl came to see him in early morning on the day of his flight.

AR please allow lazy mongers to do hard shit, not everything should be served on a platter. Allow them to read 50-60 odd pages and filter out necessary evil information. If they can't flip they don't deserve to be here, wink wink.

[QUOTE=AsianRain;3010068]The challenge of Indonesia is that it has always been a backwater compared to the mongering majors. For Jakarta, there is only a single lonely "Jakarta" thread for every subject under the sun. If you compare to Thailand Bangkok, you will see threads for General, BKK Reports, Foreign Ladies, Massage ParlourA, Massage ParlourB, etc. With this organization, there is somewhat of a specialization of where members post their information. Even then, popular discussion venues like Thermae Cafe still don't have a separate thread.

The omnibus "Jakarta" thread means that every topic under the sun, accompanied by everybody's hot take, ends up in one long thread where actual informative posts are quickly buried under other topics, hot takes, quibbling, questions, etc. Then add on non-mongering posts (which may indeed be useful to some) about VOA vs eVOA, kampung dining guides, city transit system, airport taxis, cheap bike taxis, girl friendly hotel checks, etc. Pile on top occasional trolling (eg Grab Feel), shitposting, newbie questions, person-to-person messaging chats, topped with nearly every reply to a long post being a full quote rather than edited. If you are seeking targeted Sex Guide information (eg want to know everything about awesome Classic), one ends up going though a lot of chaff to get to a tiny bit of mongering wheat, but this is the inevitable outcome of an cluttered omnibus thread. Perhaps something like sub threads for General, Lokasari, Classic and Travel, Kota Indah, High End Places (1001, Malio, ?) along with one detailed intro report to each done as a sticky would help to focus the discussions so that other "baru" new venues and methods like MiChat could get space to breathe before getting buried. If I look back at the last 50 pages, the only thing that came out really new to me was MiChat. If it proves to be the gold mine that some are claiming, then it would deserve its own thread too. As it stands now, you have to go back 10+ pages to know it even exists.

If this resonates, maybe the OG vets could have a think about this and suggest improvements to the moderator. Until then IMHO, all matter will flow into the Jakarta Ganges thread and people can scroll scroll scroll. Enjoy Jakarta, AR.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Safado70;3010061]Do you have any suggestions which places are worth exploring?[/QUOTE]No, it's ChatGPT! Which did a pretty ordinary summary of this thread for places to go to.

You may resume your endless scrolling for info.

Or just stick to Classic, Travel and Lokasari street. Easiest way is the best way.

[QUOTE=XXL;3010060]
Strange that not a single Jakarta girl would see you before their shift. Where is your hotel? If you have a hotel not far from Classic, my experience is quite a few girls will love to come to your hotel early before their shift, provided they're part of the early shift.[/QUOTE]I've not tried that, but I think that would only be of interest to people staying long-term in Jakarta. If staying for just a week, I'd prefer to pay for different girls, rather than trying to get the girl I paid to fuck two days ago to come over before work. Staying for a month, yeah, I'd probably enjoy meeting some of my favourites again once or twice before they get to work. On the other hand if there was some way to get the contacts of girls at Classic who you thought looked pretty, but have not yet banged.

I too miss the Bangkok-possibility of popping by a sex shop / freelancer during a lunch break at noon.

[QUOTE=NoGermaphobe;3009960]It would be exceedingly rare and difficult, but not impossible to arrange visits to your hotel from a lady in Classic, Travel, KI, etc.

Those ladies are mostly all on contract and paying off debt for their brother's new ojek, their father's gambling debt, or furnishings for the house for the mother. Or the house itself back in the kampung. They live in a mes or dormitory with several other ladies. They are not slaves, but they are watched by a handler for their agent that loaned her family money, while they pay off their debt. They can't easily break away from the mes to spend an hour with you. They can leave to go get food, go shopping, etc. But not freelance.

A key question to ask the lady if this is something you want to arrange is if she stays in a mes or kos (apartment.) If she stays at the mes. You can mostly forget it. She would have to really know you and trust you and you would have to make it worth her while. But she is absolutely not going to come see you for the same price you get at Classic or even double that. Her coming to see you is always significantly more expensive than on site. Freelance booking out or voucher booking out from the venue is always just more expensive. If she has her own apartment, she is probably not on contract and can do whatever she wants. But you still wont get her to come for the standard on site price or a little more. [/QUOTE]Any idea why it is like that?

Offer a girl working in one of the sex shops in Bangkok to come by your place privately, paying her the same as you paid for her in the shop will be more than generous. As long as you didn't disgust her or live too far out of the way, most would be happy enough to drop by for something similar to what you paid at the shop, rounded down. E. g. , you paid 2200 for an hour at the shop, she will be more than happy to receive 2000 from you in private, or even 1500 if you have built some rapport or want to haggle.

If Classic girls are only getting around 100 k of the 400 k we pay, I don't get why they would not be happy to receive 400 k to drop by your place for an hour, trust issues aside. And if they're willing to come for 400 x 2-3, it doesn't seem trust is the issue.

It's a numbers game and we are on the wrong side of the equation.

What does a high volume go go lady do in Thailand? 3, maybe 4 STs a night? And those are typically the hottest and prettiest ladies. Most Bangkok go go ladies probably aren't barfining 3 or 4 times a night. (I dunno though. I haven't been to Thailand in years so maybe another expert can shed some light on it.).

Superlove mentioned he can't even get some ladies to respond. This is not surprising. I've seen the amount of unread messages these ladies have on their phones from various apps. WeChat, WhatsApp, Line, TikTok etc. They have thousands of unread messages from hundreds of guys.

These ladies are already doing 5-10 guys a night. What makes one individual special enough for her to go out of her way to go see them (after already fucking 5-10 guys a day for 6 days out of the week), from the hundreds of others asking her to do the same thing? Especially when it is not allowed when they are on contract and paying off their debt. So she has to sneak out of the mes (dorm), lie, risk getting caught or fined, etc.

I think it is mistake to use Thailand and Philippines as any kind of corollary for the scene in Jakarta. It’s an entirely different system here.


[QUOTE=Werqweq;3010158]Any idea why it is like that?

Offer a girl working in one of the sex shops in Bangkok to come by your place privately, paying her the same as you paid for her in the shop will be more than generous. As long as you didn't disgust her or live too far out of the way, most would be happy enough to drop by for something similar to what you paid at the shop, rounded down. E. g. , you paid 2200 for an hour at the shop, she will be more than happy to receive 2000 from you in private, or even 1500 if you have built some rapport or want to haggle.

If Classic girls are only getting around 100 k of the 400 k we pay, I don't get why they would not be happy to receive 400 k to drop by your place for an hour, trust issues aside. And if they're willing to come for 400 x 2-3, it doesn't seem trust is the issue.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=NoGermaphobe;3010165]I've seen the amount of unread messages these ladies have on their phones from various apps. WeChat, WhatsApp, Line, TikTok etc. They have thousands of unread messages from hundreds of guys.

Its an entirely different system here.[/QUOTE]Funny you say that because as I have reported. I gave up on Thai Friendly after repeated trips and repeated tries. Even tried once more with all the posters saying it was great for BBFS and less costly. ZERO zero dates off of TF. Spent maybe 20-30 hours in three separate trips in Pattaya in 2023,2025 with nothing more than "Hi " "Hi" "okey" responses. No dates. I won't try it again.

In Jakarta TanTan and Tinder worked like a charm. In addition Classic was awesome and I got the service I wanted with tips. Goes to show. Different stokes for different folks. I am confidant my messages on Thai Friendly were included in what NoGermaphobe witnessed.

[QUOTE=NoGermaphobe;3010165]It's a numbers game and we are on the wrong side of the equation.

What does a high volume go go lady do in Thailand? 3, maybe 4 STs a night? And those are typically the hottest and prettiest ladies. Most Bangkok go go ladies probably aren't barfining 3 or 4 times a night. (I dunno though. I haven't been to Thailand in years so maybe another expert can shed some light on it.).

Superlove mentioned he can't even get some ladies to respond. This is not surprising. I've seen the amount of unread messages these ladies have on their phones from various apps. WeChat, WhatsApp, Line, TikTok etc. They have thousands of unread messages from hundreds of guys.

These ladies are already doing 5-10 guys a night. What makes one individual special enough for her to go out of her way to go see them (after already fucking 5-10 guys a day for 6 days out of the week), from the hundreds of others asking her to do the same thing? Especially when it is not allowed when they are on contract and paying off their debt. So she has to sneak out of the mes (dorm), lie, risk getting caught or fined, etc.

I think it is mistake to use Thailand and Philippines as any kind of corollary for the scene in Jakarta. Its an entirely different system here.[/QUOTE]That's why you go to Thailand during the low season.

Typically a girl at classic works anywhere between 3-6 months, I remember last year I sessioned with 5-6 girls and they were pretty good. In my next trip none were to be seen and when I enquired with their mama's they said Resign. Most girls are working to pay off their family debts, why else would a girl work for 10-12 hours a day and spoil her health. Most girls take up a side job and become semi pros or freelancers afterwards. We like the atmosphere at Classic because we come and go but imagine spending hours daily in that noise smoke and music, truly unimaginable, gutted.

[QUOTE=NoGermaphobe;3010165]It's a numbers game and we are on the wrong side of the equation.

What does a high volume go go lady do in Thailand? 3, maybe 4 STs a night? And those are typically the hottest and prettiest ladies. Most Bangkok go go ladies probably aren't barfining 3 or 4 times a night. (I dunno though. I haven't been to Thailand in years so maybe another expert can shed some light on it.).

Superlove mentioned he can't even get some ladies to respond. This is not surprising. I've seen the amount of unread messages these ladies have on their phones from various apps. WeChat, WhatsApp, Line, TikTok etc. They have thousands of unread messages from hundreds of guys.

These ladies are already doing 5-10 guys a night. What makes one individual special enough for her to go out of her way to go see them (after already fucking 5-10 guys a day for 6 days out of the week), from the hundreds of others asking her to do the same thing? Especially when it is not allowed when they are on contract and paying off their debt. So she has to sneak out of the mes (dorm), lie, risk getting caught or fined, etc.

I think it is mistake to use Thailand and Philippines as any kind of corollary for the scene in Jakarta. Its an entirely different system here.[/QUOTE]

Sometime last year, I messaged one Emporium (hot) girl to come and see me before her shift, I came from Singapore that morning and was too tired to go out. I stayed at Movenpick next door and she sneaked in somehow as she didn't want to be seen by security. She came for 2-3 hours and went to emporium straight away. Service was excellent and allowed me all plus massage and I paid her 2 mn with a smile, it wasn't about money, it was about getting it at that time. In my next trip I invited her to Bali and we had 2 days to ourselves, oh whatttttttt a trip. She told me it wasn't her first.

[QUOTE=XXL;3010060]On TF few girls will be available to come in early afternoon, and very few indeed in the morning, except some girls who've been with a john all night and don't mind doing an additional short time on the way home, but who wants a girl who's sleepy and fresh from some other man's bed?

Strange that not a single Jakarta girl would see you before their shift. Where is your hotel? If you have a hotel not far from Classic, my experience is quite a few girls will love to come to your hotel early before their shift, provided they're part of the early shift.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=NoGermaphobe;3010165]It's a numbers game and we are on the wrong side of the equation.

What does a high volume go go lady do in Thailand? 3, maybe 4 STs a night? And those are typically the hottest and prettiest ladies. Most Bangkok go go ladies probably aren't barfining 3 or 4 times a night. (I dunno though. I haven't been to Thailand in years so maybe another expert can shed some light on it.).

These ladies are already doing 5-10 guys a night. What makes one individual special enough for her to go out of her way to go see them (after already fucking 5-10 guys a day for 6 days out of the week), from the hundreds of others asking her to do the same thing? Especially when it is not allowed when they are on contract and paying off their debt. So she has to sneak out of the mes (dorm), lie, risk getting caught or fined, etc.

I think it is mistake to use Thailand and Philippines as any kind of corollary for the scene in Jakarta. Its an entirely different system here.[/QUOTE]You're right about Bangkok. Most go-go girls aren't even getting barfined once a night, and somebody fucking four guys? A rare happening for even the hottest go-go girl I'm sure. But no, I was talking about girls who work in the sex-shops 12:00 - 00:00. These shops are even more point and shoot than Classic.

I'd think what makes this individual special for a girl at Classic is that she will get paid 400 k to bang him in his room before work, rather than 100 k to bang him at Classic.

Anyway, I just now got a pretty nifty idea from AsianRain on how I can at least make an attempt at offering this to girls at Classic that I have not yet banged. I'll try to spot a few girls I want to make the offer and see if anything comes of it.

[QUOTE=GentileBear;3010175]Funny you say that because as I have reported. I gave up on Thai Friendly after repeated trips and repeated tries. Even tried once more with all the posters saying it was great for BBFS and less costly. ZERO zero dates off of TF. Spent maybe 20-30 hours in three separate trips in Pattaya in 2023,2025 with nothing more than "Hi " "Hi" "okey" responses. No dates. I won't try it again.

In Jakarta TanTan and Tinder worked like a charm. In addition Classic was awesome and I got the service I wanted with tips. Goes to show. Different stokes for different folks. I am confidant my messages on Thai Friendly were included in what NoGermaphobe witnessed.[/QUOTE]Sorry dude, but you must have been doing something wrong then. Everyone says TF works great in Pattaya, and not so great in Bangkok, but even in Bangkok it works pretty good for p4p, though I've mostly used it to meet normal non-p4p girls (apparently in Pattaya most on TF are p4p, but in Bangkok that is not so).

[QUOTE=SuperLove;3010219]Sometime last year, I messaged one Emporium (hot) girl to come and see me before her shift, I came from Singapore that morning and was too tired to go out. I stayed at Movenpick next door and she sneaked in somehow as she didn't want to be seen by security. She came for 2-3 hours and went to emporium straight away. Service was excellent and allowed me all plus massage and I paid her 2 mn with a smile, it wasn't about money, it was about getting it at that time. In my next trip I invited her to Bali and we had 2 days to ourselves, oh whatttttttt a trip. She told me it wasn't her first.[/QUOTE]Well done!

"Sneaking" is the operative word. My wingman (also staying at Moevenpick) whom I mentioned in a previous post tried to play the same trick on an Emporium girl doing some shopping in the convenience store across the street from Emporium. He came out a cropper though because the girl was not alone. She was chaperoned by some other girl or mamasan who interposed herself energetically, quoting an absurd price like 5 juta for a Moevenpick visit.

[QUOTE=Gabacho;3010189]...
I remember some guy saying he couldn't get into classic wearing a tanktop but he was able to get into travel wearing his tanktop and then another poster said travel was hurting for customers. Well why do you think they are hurting for customers? It's obvious there is a direct correlation between condom enforcement and losing customers.
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[/QUOTE]Someone mentioned Classic and Travel belonged to the same outfit. It would make sense for said outfit to assign girls according to their willingness to go bareback. Kamikaze girls get to work at Classic's, the other girls at Travel's. If this is what happens, it may not be feasable for Travel's to enforce a more customer-friendly condom policy.


[QUOTE=Werqweq;3010284]Sorry dude, but you must have been doing something wrong then. Everyone says TF works great in Pattaya, and not so great in Bangkok, but even in Bangkok it works pretty good for p4p, though I've mostly used it to meet normal non-p4p girls (apparently in Pattaya most on TF are p4p, but in Bangkok that is not so).[/QUOTE]

Not everyone says TF works great in Pattaya. I for one have found youngish decent-looking TF girls (15% of TF girls) very hard to get, even by overpaying. One forum member said TF is great, provided you only go for girls who message you first. Good luck with that when you get messaged first only by little old ladies.

[QUOTE=NoGermaphobe;3010165]It's a numbers game and we are on the wrong side of the equation.

These ladies are already doing 5-10 guys a night. What makes one individual special enough for her to go out of her way to go see them (after already fucking 5-10 guys a day for 6 days out of the week), from the hundreds of others asking her to do the same thing? Especially when it is not allowed when they are on contract and paying off their debt. So she has to sneak out of the mes (dorm), lie, risk getting caught or fined, etc.

[/QUOTE]This is true for most of the working ladies across most parts of the world. From my understanding risk is even higher here as they are on contract and can lose their withheld salary / or face violence if caught doing anything against the arrangement they have with establishment.