American Politics

[QUOTE=Tiny12;3060889]Canadian Liberal aka Trudeau lover. Unless you're saying Huacho is a socialist in which case I take that back.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=Canada;3059559]I am Canadian. Biden tried to destroy USA and Trudeau virtually destroyed Canada.[/QUOTE]LOL! Looks like Canadians, love their ex-Trudeau Liberal government, just fine, as Canada's ex-Trudeau government, newly reincarnated under PM Mark Carney [I](more than 1-year now, for those still lamenting the bygone days of Trudeau),[/I] just won a majority, with 3-seats crossing the floor, showing their distrust and disgust with Canada's Conservative leadership.

[B]Mark Carneys party secures majority government after sweeping to victory in three special elections,[/B] April 14,2026. [URL]https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/canada-special-election-mark-carney-liberals-majority-b2957055.html[/URL]

Naturally, leaving nothing but shame, frustration and disillusionment on the faces of the right-wing Conservatives, woefully led by the ineffective weakass, Pierre Poilievre.

[QUOTE=FutureDeadGuy;3061460]The homework has been done. Let's compare notes.

Biden created 16 million jobs over four years the first administration in recorded history to add jobs every single month. Of those, 89% were private sector jobs according to PolitiFact, which rated the "DEI government jobs" claim false. The S&P 500 rose 57.8% during his term. Corporate profits hit record highs every single year.

The fair criticism is that roughly 72% of those jobs were pandemic recovery rather than new creation a legitimate point. But that's a very different claim from "only DEI government jobs."

As for Trump "creating real jobs in the private sector" current inflation is at 3. 3%, the highest since May 2024, driven by an Iran war his administration started and tariffs his own Supreme Court appointees ruled unconstitutional. The jobs picture going forward is worth watching closely..[/QUOTE]Every Great Repub Depression, Great Repub Recession and Massive Repub Jobs Destruction of the past 100 years, meaning all of the ones that have happened in the past 100 years, lost jobs most of which would be recovered during the Great Dem Recovery that followed.

I don't see that as any criticism even worth mentioning regarding a Great Repub Economic Disaster followed by a Great Dem Recovery but rather just artfully-worded BS crafted by someone in the media trying to "both side" these historic events into the usual elevating of Repub disasters and downplaying of Dem accomplishments.

Of course millions of the jobs that existed before any Great Repub Economic Disaster would be recovered when somebody comes along to clean up the colossal mess they left behind. And those somebodies are always the incoming Dems.

It isn't as though Trump and other Repubs wipe out millions of jobs and shut down hundreds of thousands of American businesses and the incoming Dems are then supposed to invent all new businesses with totally different jobs for the millions of unemployed Americans to apply for. LOL. How in the world is that supposed to happen?

The vast majority of the same industries, buildings, warehouses, factories and workplaces that existed before to manufacture goods and provide services for which there was popular demand and money to pay for them before Repub policies and stewardship crippled and collapsed them and wiped out all the jobs would still exist on January 21 the day after the incoming Dem gets inaugurated.

Those are still the jobs that were "lost" in the downturn by Repubs and then "gained" in the recovery by Dems.

There is no Economic Law of Gravity that ensures millions of jobs lost by one administration will automatically rise again the next year no matter who is president or what they do. That sure as hell isn't what happened in the first, second, third and almost another half year under Repub Herbert Hoover after the Great Repub Crash of 1929 and Great Repub Depression.

If you want to Recover all the jobs and create more jobs after one of those many Great Repub Economic Disasters you can't just sit around or go play golf until that imaginary Economic Law of Gravity brings everything back as it was before unless you are prepared to wait several years while the Disaster gets a lot worse and any possible Recovery, if any, becomes an even greater challenge.

For that you need a Dem administration to come charging in ASAP to do what only they have done for the past 100 years. As Obama and Biden did.

[QUOTE=Canada;3061385]There is free speech in America. You can say what you want in USA even if people don't agree with you. Are you against free speech now?[/QUOTE]What complete BS. Try criticizing Israel. No, not Jews. The state of Israel. See where that gets you in America.

[QUOTE=Spidy;3061543]LOL! Looks like Canadians, love their ex-Trudeau Liberal government, just fine, as Canada's ex-Trudeau government, newly reincarnated under PM Mark Carney [I](more than 1-year now, for those still lamenting the bygone days of Trudeau),[/I] just won a majority, with 3-seats crossing the floor, showing their distrust and disgust with Canada's Conservative leadership.

[B]Mark Carneys party secures majority government after sweeping to victory in three special elections,[/B] April 14,2026. [URL]https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/canada-special-election-mark-carney-liberals-majority-b2957055.html[/URL]

Naturally, leaving nothing but shame, frustration and disillusionment on the faces of the right-wing Conservatives, woefully led by the ineffective weakass, Pierre Poilievre.[/QUOTE]Unfortunately Canada is like California. The big cities vote in the political parties. The western states don't have enough people to change a crooked government just like rural CA gets screwed. Luckily USA has Trump but unfortunately we can't get a Trump in Canada unless we separate from Canada. But not enough votes for that either.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;3061559]Every Great Repub Depression, Great Repub Recession and Massive Repub Jobs Destruction of the past 100 years, meaning all of the ones that have happened in the past 100 years, lost jobs most of which would be recovered during the Great Dem Recovery that followed.

I don't see that as any criticism even worth mentioning regarding a Great Repub Economic Disaster followed by a Great Dem Recovery but rather just artfully-worded BS crafted by someone in the media trying to "both side" these historic events into the usual elevating of Repub disasters and downplaying of Dem accomplishments.

Of course millions of the jobs that existed before any Great Repub Economic Disaster would be recovered when somebody comes along to clean up the colossal mess they left behind. And those somebodies are always the incoming Dems.

It isn't as though Trump and other Repubs wipe out millions of jobs and shut down hundreds of thousands of American businesses and the incoming Dems are then supposed to invent all new businesses with totally different jobs for the millions of unemployed Americans to apply for. LOL. How in the world is that supposed to happen?.[/QUOTE]Americans love the great Republican depression we are in now. Job numbers are up, leaves are up, inflation is 70% less than Biden trainwreck, stock market has hit record after record. I hope this Republican recession never ends as it is 300% better than the Biden years.

Are you American? Doesn't sound like it. From your posts you are not only anti Trump but anti American also. You are against everything that makes America great. You support Open borders, men playing women sports, drug traffickers, terrorist and Iran just because Trump is against these things.

[QUOTE=Spidy;3061543]LOL! Looks like Canadians, love their ex-Trudeau Liberal government, just fine, as Canada's ex-Trudeau government, newly reincarnated under PM Mark Carney [I](more than 1-year now, for those still lamenting the bygone days of Trudeau),[/I] just won a majority, with 3-seats crossing the floor, showing their distrust and disgust with Canada's Conservative leadership.

[B]Mark Carneys party secures majority government after sweeping to victory in three special elections,[/B] April 14,2026. [URL]https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/canada-special-election-mark-carney-liberals-majority-b2957055.html[/URL]

Naturally, leaving nothing but shame, frustration and disillusionment on the faces of the right-wing Conservatives, woefully led by the ineffective weakass, Pierre Poilievre.[/QUOTE]Canada said he's an Albertan. The last time the leftist NDP controlled the Alberta government, from 2015 to 2019, GDP in 2007 dollars fell from 330 billion CAD to 306 billion in 2016, before rebounding to 325 billion at the end of their time in office. In other words, over a 4 year period, GDP didn't grow. The number of unemployed grew from 117,000 in April, 2015 to 238,000 in October, 2016, before declining to 140,000 in April, 2019 when the NDP lost control. So there were 23,000 more people unemployed at the end of their time in power than there were when they started.

Alberta suffered a one-two punch. Not only did it suffer through leftist NDP leadership at the state level, but in November, 2015, Trudeau's Liberal Party took control at the federal level and has held it ever since.

Oil and gas prices were weak through this period, which hurt. But the NDP's and Liberal's anti-oil industry and high tax policies hurt too. Texas, another oil producing (and admittedly more economically diversified) jurisdiction, did nicely during that period under wise Republican governance at the state level, and at the local level in most of the oil producing areas.

Thankfully for Albertans, the United Conservative Party is back in power at the state level! And will be for a long time if Albertans remember their experience under the NDP.

Only a clueless and gutless idiot would call John McCain a hater of fellow Americans.

Only a gutless dweeb.

[QUOTE=Tiny12;3061633]Canada said he's an Albertan. The last time the leftist NDP controlled the Alberta government, from 2015 to 2019, GDP in 2007 dollars fell from 330 billion CAD to 306 billion in 2016, before rebounding to 325 billion at the end of their time in office. In other words, over a 4 year period, GDP didn't grow. The number of unemployed grew from 117,000 in April, 2015 to 238,000 in October, 2016, before declining to 140,000 in April, 2019 when the NDP lost control. So there were 23,000 more people unemployed at the end of their time in power than there were when they started.

Alberta suffered a one-two punch. Not only did it suffer through leftist NDP leadership at the state level, but in November, 2015, Trudeau's Liberal Party took control at the federal level and has held it ever since.

Oil and gas prices were weak through this period, which hurt. But the NDP's and Liberal's anti-oil industry and high tax policies hurt too. Texas, another oil producing (and admittedly more economically diversified) jurisdiction, did nicely during that period under wise Republican governance at the state level, and at the local level in most of the oil producing areas..[/QUOTE]You are correct. There is no difference if NDP or liberals or Socialists are in power. Alberta gets screwed. Carney is a fool and is playing with fire with the tariffs. He needs to cut a deal with Trump by May 31 or tariffs will go on the 86% of Canada goods that are at zero now. Canada economy will completely tank if he thinks he can play hardball with Trump. Canada absolutely needs to export to USA as over 80% of exports go to USA.

[QUOTE=Canada;3061627]Americans love the great Republican depression we are in now. Job numbers are up, leaves are up, inflation is 70% less than Biden trainwreck, stock market has hit record after record. I hope this Republican recession never ends as it is 300% better than the Biden years.

Are you American? Doesn't sound like it. From your posts you are not only anti Trump but anti American also. You are against everything that makes America great. You support Open borders, men playing women sports, drug traffickers, terrorist and Iran just because Trump is against these things.[/QUOTE]You might be the most Fact-Challenged MAGA in North America.

Americans disapprove of the job Trump has done at record or near record levels for any president in history at this stage of his so-called presidency. See the demonstrably pro-Trump RealClearPolitics' poll of polls rates for him below.

Trump's job numbers are pathetic. Almost as bad already as they were at the end of his first disastrous term:

[B]Jobs Growth Under Trump Even More Dismal Than Originally Thought.[/B]

[URL]https://finance.yahoo.com/news/jobs-growth-under-trump-even-180031639.html[/URL]

And let's take a little stroll down Memory Lane:

[B]Trump to leave office with the worst jobs record since Herbert Hoover.[/B]

[URL]https://finance.yahoo.com/news/trump-leave-office-worst-jobs-030044152.html[/URL]

Leaves? Not sure what that means. Maybe a typo.

The Rate of Inflation is higher today under Trump than it was at the end of 2024 under Biden:

[B]Here's the inflation breakdown for December 2024 in one chart.[/B]

[URL]https://www.cnbc.com/2025/01/15/heres-the-inflation-breakdown-for-december-2024-in-one-chart.html?__source=androidappshare[/URL]

[QUOTE]The bureaus consumer price index, an inflation gauge, rose [b]2.9% [/b]during the month versus the prior year.[/QUOTE][B]CPI inflation report March 2026: Consumer prices rose 3. 3%.[/B]

[URL]https://www.cnbc.com/2026/04/10/cpi-inflation-report-march-2026.html?__source=androidappshare[/URL]

[QUOTE]The consumer price index increased a seasonally adjusted 0.9% in March putting the annual inflation rate at [b]3.3%.[/b][/QUOTE]The USA Stock Market as measured by either the S&P 500 Index or the Dow shows that the huge lion's share of gains it has seen in the past 4 years happened under Biden. See the screenshots below. Trump's contribution to it has been those two deep downward plunges in it since he took office and began implementing his typically disastrous Repub policies and management. Either Index has only seen a gain of about 12-15% over the past year and a half. Which is at or below the ordinary annual average gain for each over the past several decades even if a Repub president and his Repub Congress do nothing.

Seriously. It is astonishing that you have somehow managed to get everything wrong about everything every time. How do you do it? It must require constant practice and intense determination not to inadvertently stumble into something factually and provably true or at least vaguely true every now and then. And you have done it! That is impressive.

Please do more. It is an amazing thing to behold.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;3060721]Now Australia is the [b]new shining star[/b] of what to be? LOL. You need to follow the news better.

[URL]https://ieefa.org/resources/its-time-australia-reduce-its-oil-demand[/URL] [/QUOTE]Really, I [I]"...need to follow the news better".[/I] Sure, okay why not! Let's see what the Aussie's are doing and why [B]"It's time for Australia to reduce its oil demand",[/B] as pointed out in your article?

So allow me to share the news I've been following "better", with a couple of examples, of Australian electrotech [I]"new shining star"[/I] solutions, that are electrifying the Australian economy, industry and grid, one success story at a time.

[B]Australia's World Leading Electrotech?:[/B]
[LIST]Take the fast raising success of Janaus Electric, an Australian grass-roots company, that has taken on, the real-world transformation of Australia's heavy transport sector, by converting old and existing fossil fuel diesel trucks, [b]into zero-emission vehicles,[/b] using innovative, swappable battery technology.

When you can convert a Qubes 165-tonne, diesel, triple road trains, to battery power, means you get approval by California Air Resources Board's (CARB) HVIP program, a crucial step for its US market entry. Plus contracts in Sub-Sarahan Africa with Avon in 2026. In 2023, CEO, Lex Forsyth says that a two-year payback is possible, if youre doing 180,000 - 200,000 km per year, just in diesel and maintenance costs.[url]https://bigrigs.com.au/2023/06/08/brisbane-to-sydney-electric-truck-highway-on-track-to-be-running-by-christmas/[/url][/LIST][LIST]See Pt.2, for Fortescue's $400 million savings in Mining Trucks Transformation.[/LIST][B]Meanwhile back in Trumpland Petrostate U.S., mass trucking Bankruptcies:[/B].

The list of major USA Trucking companies that closed or filed for bankruptcy in 2025 has experienced a severe "purge" of capacity, often referred to as the [I][b]"Great Freight Recession,"[/b][/I] characterized by high-profile bankruptcies and thousands of smaller carrier closures.

As of early 2025, an estimated 1,000 to 1,500 carriers were shutting down per week, with one month seeing over 7,000 operators exit the market, marking the highest rate of failure in over a year, with another wave MAGA Fuhrer inspired high cost of diesel wave to come in 2026. [URL]https://magazine.factoring.org/magazine-articles/carrier-amp-broker-failures-in-20242025-and-why-2026-may-bring-one-last-wave#footnotes[/URL]

[QUOTE=Tiny12;3061294]No. You've been touting EV cars, as well as electric coal mining trucks, ad nauseum. And presumably you believe the electricity to charge the vehicles should come from renewables. So I will not provide you with "data, information and numbers" about the "electrification of SA's electrical grid" instead of data about SA's total energy consumption.[/QUOTE]Hey no worries, as I was meaning to circle-back with regards to providing some great electrification examples and now is as good a time as any, to start up again, with Australia showing some of the world's leading examples of electrification, with regards to the hard to abate fossil fuel sectors and industries. See Pt. 1 for Janaus's Trucking EV solutions.

[B]Fortescue Ltd mining, looks to save $400 million in diesel fuel OpEx:[/B]

Like most companies, looking to save on OpEx costs wherever they can, more and more are realizing the simple truth (especially with a lunatic with the red MAGA cap sitting in the WH at 1600 PA Ave, who dumbfoundedly closed the Strait of Hormuz, causing diesel prices to skyrocket), are converting and electrifying their trucking and mining fleets, to save millions in OpEx.

Take Fortescue Ltd of Australia (4th-largest iron ore producer in the world), that will be eliminating about [U]450 million liters of annual diesel consumption,[/U] as the result of a massive, multi-pronged electrification strategy, and save upwards of [B][i]US$400 million dollars in savings,[/i][/B] from replacing fossil fuel diesel-powered haul trucks and excavators with electric alternatives, coupled with the company's own renewable energy generation of [I]S+W+B,[/I] as they now make their own natural clean fuel, on site.

Fortescue signed a $2. 8 billion partnership with Liebherr (German-Swiss) and XCMG (Chinese) for 360 electric trucks and additional smaller electric mining equipment. The initiative, powered by a partnership with Liebherr and XCMG, involves hundreds of 240-tonne electric autonomous trucks. [URL]https://electrek.co/2025/09/12/electric-haul-trucks-could-save-fortescue-over-400-million-in-fuel-per-year[/URL] (Sep 12th, 2025) AND [URL]https://thedriven.io/2026/02/04/fortescue-to-take-delivery-of-first-massive-battery-electric-trucks-from-china-supplier/[/URL] (April 8th, 2026).

[I]Boyah!...Now guess what?[/I] Other mining companies are sitting up and taking notice.

So while many MAGA suckers, love to quote all these "culture war" nonsense about renewables being a climate change hoax, the adults in the room, realize [I][b]"...it's just good, smart business economics"[/b][/I]. But not so much with the trucking bankruptcies, [I]in the U.S...uh?[/I]

Which leaves me to ask Elvis 2008 and Tiny 12, so what's the new "culture war" argument to be, against ex-fossil fueled, ex-diesel trucking and mining companies, saving tens and hundreds of millions, by converting to electrified zero-emission EV trucking and mining, outlined in Pt. 1 and Pt. 2? Oh, I can't wait to hear this!

[QUOTE=Spidy;3061495]Meaningless!

Again, meaningless! Try using consumption per capita, that has any real meaning. [URL]https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/energy-consumption-by-country[/URL].

I hate to break it to you BTW, but Australia's AEOM doesn't believe they have "baseload" power in SA.

And get back to me when you realize that the Australia's grid is at +41% renewables and America's is only at 26%, regardless of total consumption. The grid comparisons remain intact.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Tiny12;3061520]I hate to break it to you BTW, but I already conceded that:

Hilarious! Your link shows per capita energy consumption for the USA at 265.85 GJ and for Australia at 204.77 GJ.

However, Australia's the 15th biggest per capita emitter of CO2, at 14.21 tons, compared to 13.83 tons for the USA:

[URL]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_carbon_dioxide_emissions_per_capita[/URL]

In other words, per capita, the USA consumes more energy but emits less CO2 than Australia. Why? I bet it's because of natural gas in the USA! I suspect if Australian had devoted 10% of the resources to gas pipelines as it devoted to renewables, its CO2 emissions would be a lot lower. Australia has huge deposits of natural gas offshore Western Australia and the Northern Territory, but no way to get it to the big cities in the southeast. So, in addition to renewables, it relies on coal, which emits more CO2 per BTU than natural gas.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Spidy;3061540]LOL! Barely, as [I]the U.S.[/I] is like 16th, right after Australia at 15th. So big deal, not really much of a difference.

Once again, my posts are being dropped by Admin, so I'll post again the comparison of energy consumption and CO2, I originally was trying to make between the USA and China.

[B]Dropped Post:[/B]

BTW, just presenting a country's energy (or prime energy) consumption, is pretty meaningless, on it own. A country's energy consumption, is more meaningful, when you look at the consumption / CO2 per capita, [URL]https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/energy-consumption-by-country[/URL] and [URL]https://www.worldometers.info/co2-emissions/co2-emissions-per-capita/[/URL] (as of 2024). The [I]U.S. a country 4x[/I] smaller than China (by population), for example, has an energy consumption per capita of [I]about 2.3x larger[/I].

[B]End of Dropped Post:[/B]

But allow me to add some sanitary reasoning, to your last post, since you still seem to think, total energy is somehow meaningful, without the proper context.

Using your own asinine and misplaced logic, does that mean, that when China emits more energy, but emits less CO2 (27th), than [I]the U.S. (16th),[/I] that it is because of the tons of dirty "beautiful clean coal" being burnt in China? [I]This is the absurdity of your logic...Duh![/I].

This is AGAIN, why I choose to use, a comparison of electricity grids for a proper decarbonization comparison. [URL]https://www.pv-magazine.com/2026/01/13/australia-adds-7-gw-of-renewables-in-2025-stays-on-track-for-2030-target[/URL].[/QUOTE]

From your Wikipedia and World Population Review links above, the [B]per capita[/B] carbon emissions per GJ energy consumed are as follows:

China: 9. 24 tons /111.94 GJ = 0.083 tons / GJ.

Australia: 14.21 tons /204.77 GJ = 0.069 tons / GJ.

USA: 13.83 tons /265.85 GJ = 0.052 tons / GJ.

China, the electrostate, emits the most carbon per GJ of energy consumed. The USA, the petrostate, emits the least.

GDP per capita and the energy consumed per capita are strongly correlated:

[url]https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/energy-use-per-person-vs-gdp-per-capita[/url]

We have air conditioners, bigger houses and keep room temperatures at comfortable levels. We have a better quality of life because we consume more energy.

Earlier on I had you pegged as a rational greenie, more or less. You tried to persuade us with economic arguments, that a number of times were valid, as was your enthusiasm for Chinese EV's. You weren't saying the world's going to come to an end and oil and gas companies are evil.

Now I'm wondering though, whether you're a rational greenie. When you brag on China and Australia for their lower per capita energy consumption, it sounds like you believe countries should make their citizenry poorer and worse off, and that's the solution to climate change. Well, first of all, developing countries and China which account for the majority of CO2 emissions won't go along with that. And second, if you take that reasoning to the logical extreme, we go back to a hunter / gatherer and subsistence level farming society. And nobody wants that, except the most radical greenies.

[QUOTE=Spidy;3061706]Hey no worries, as I was meaning to circle-back with regards to providing some great electrification examples and now is as good a time as any, to start up again, with Australia showing some of the world's leading examples of electrification, with regards to the hard to abate fossil fuel sectors and industries. See Pt. 1 for Janaus's Trucking EV solutions.

[B]Fortescue Ltd mining, looks to save $400 million in diesel fuel OpEx:[/B]

Like most companies, looking to save on OpEx costs wherever they can, more and more are realizing the simple truth (especially with a lunatic with the red MAGA cap sitting in the WH at 1600 PA Ave, who dumbfoundedly closed the Strait of Hormuz, causing diesel prices to skyrocket), are converting and electrifying their trucking and mining fleets, to save millions in OpEx.

Take Fortescue Ltd of Australia (4th-largest iron ore producer in the world), that will be eliminating about [U]450 million liters of annual diesel consumption,[/U] as the result of a massive, multi-pronged electrification strategy, and save upwards of [B][i]US$400 million dollars in savings,[/i][/B] from replacing fossil fuel diesel-powered haul trucks and excavators with electric alternatives, coupled with the company's own renewable energy generation of [I]S+W+B,[/I] as they now make their own natural clean fuel, on site.

Fortescue signed a $2. 8 billion partnership with Liebherr (German-Swiss) and XCMG (Chinese) for 360 electric trucks and additional smaller electric mining equipment. The initiative, powered by a partnership with Liebherr and XCMG, involves hundreds of 240-tonne electric autonomous trucks. [URL]https://electrek.co/2025/09/12/electric-haul-trucks-could-save-fortescue-over-400-million-in-fuel-per-year[/URL] (Sep 12th, 2025) AND [URL]https://thedriven.io/2026/02/04/fortescue-to-take-delivery-of-first-massive-battery-electric-trucks-from-china-supplier/[/URL] (April 8th, 2026).

[I]Boyah!...Now guess what?[/I] Other mining companies are sitting up and taking notice.

So while many MAGA suckers, love to quote all these "culture war" nonsense about renewables being a climate change hoax, the adults in the room, realize [I][b]"...it's just good, smart business economics"[/b][/I]. But not so much with the trucking bankruptcies, [I]in the U.S...uh?[/I]

Which leaves me to ask Elvis 2008 and Tiny 12, so what's the new "culture war" argument to be, against ex-fossil fueled, ex-diesel trucking and mining companies, saving tens and hundreds of millions, by converting to electrified zero-emission EV trucking and mining, outlined in Pt. 1 and Pt. 2? Oh, I can't wait to hear this![/QUOTE]Damn it Spidy, every time you've directed a post at me lately you've proved my point. In this instance, it's "You've been touting EV cars, as well as electric coal mining trucks, ad nauseum. And presumably you believe the electricity to charge the vehicles should come from renewables. So I will not provide you with "data, information and numbers" about the "electrification of SA's electrical grid" instead of data about SA's total energy consumption. ".

That's a great application for electric trucks. The Pilbara region of Australia, where Fortescue's mines are located, is very sunny and annual rainfall is very low. The trucks operate close to the mine, and so should be easy to recharge. You do have torrential downpours from time to time, but I'd guess you wouldn't want to have trucks hauling rock then anyway. I'm not sure about diesel-powered excavators, but they might shut them down too during heavy rains.

If Fortescue is buying trucks from China, and from your post it appears they are, and not paying high tariffs or other fees, it would be hard to see this not working.

That said they're hauling iron ore. And that iron ore will be shipped to China on ships that use heavy fuel oil. Then it will be used to make steel in a process that uses a lot of coal.

My wild guess is that over 50% of the large electric trucks used in mining today are for coal operations in China. Dirty, dirty coal.

[QUOTE=Elvis 2008;3060721]Now Australia is the new shining star of what to be? LOL. You need to follow the news better.

[URL]https://ieefa.org/resources/its-time-australia-reduce-its-oil-demand[/URL][/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Spidy;3061705]Really, I [I]"...need to follow the news better".[/I] Sure, okay why not! Let's see what the Aussie's are doing and why [B]"It's time for Australia to reduce its oil demand",[/B] as pointed out in your article?

So allow me to share the news I've been following "better", with a couple of examples, of Australian electrotech [I]"new shining star"[/I] solutions, that are electrifying the Australian economy, industry and grid, one success story at a time.

[B]Australia's World Leading Electrotech?:[/B]
[LIST]Take the fast raising success of Janaus Electric, an Australian grass-roots company, that has taken on, the real-world transformation of Australia's heavy transport sector, by converting old and existing fossil fuel diesel trucks, [b]into zero-emission vehicles,[/b] using innovative, swappable battery technology.

When you can convert a Qubes 165-tonne, diesel, triple road trains, to battery power, means you get approval by California Air Resources Board's (CARB) HVIP program, a crucial step for its US market entry. Plus contracts in Sub-Sarahan Africa with Avon in 2026. In 2023, CEO, Lex Forsyth says that a two-year payback is possible, if youre doing 180,000 - 200,000 km per year, just in diesel and maintenance costs.[url]https://bigrigs.com.au/2023/06/08/brisbane-to-sydney-electric-truck-highway-on-track-to-be-running-by-christmas/[/url][/LIST][LIST]See Pt.2, for Fortescue's $400 million savings in Mining Trucks Transformation.[/LIST][B]Meanwhile back in Trumpland Petrostate U.S., mass trucking Bankruptcies:[/B].

The list of major USA Trucking companies that closed or filed for bankruptcy in 2025 has experienced a severe "purge" of capacity, often referred to as the [I][b]"Great Freight Recession,"[/b][/I] characterized by high-profile bankruptcies and thousands of smaller carrier closures.

As of early 2025, an estimated 1,000 to 1,500 carriers were shutting down per week, with one month seeing over 7,000 operators exit the market, marking the highest rate of failure in over a year, with another wave MAGA Fuhrer inspired high cost of diesel wave to come in 2026. [URL]https://magazine.factoring.org/magazine-articles/carrier-amp-broker-failures-in-20242025-and-why-2026-may-bring-one-last-wave#footnotes[/URL][/QUOTE]Elvis, I'll let you take this layup if you'd like. Practically, I don't think you can sell this one short, that is sell the shares and then buy them back later, so you make money if the share price goes down. It only has a market cap of $13 million USD, and Interactive Brokers shows no shares available to borrow. It's currently $0.155 AUD per share, on a split-adjusted basis down from a peak of $3539 in 2005. They must have been in another business back then, and later decided electric trucks were the flavor of the day. So no opportunity here.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;3061664]You might be the most Fact-Challenged MAGA in North America.

Americans disapprove of the job Trump has done at record or near record levels for any president in history at this stage of his so-called presidency. See the demonstrably pro-Trump RealClearPolitics' poll of polls rates for him below.

Trump's job numbers are pathetic. Almost as bad already as they were at the end of his first disastrous term:

[B]Jobs Growth Under Trump Even More Dismal Than Originally Thought.[/B]

[URL]https://finance.yahoo.com/news/jobs-growth-under-trump-even-180031639.html[/URL]

And let's take a little stroll down Memory Lane:

[B]Trump to leave office with the worst jobs record since Herbert Hoover.[/B]

[URL]https://finance.yahoo.com/news/trump-leave-office-worst-jobs-030044152.html[/URL]

Leaves? Not sure what that means. Maybe a typo.

The Rate of Inflation is higher today under Trump than it was at the end of 2024 under Biden:.[/QUOTE]Trump ratings may be lower now for Trump but polls on Democrats are much lower than Trump. Just because Trump is for a strong USA doesn't mean you have to be anti American. You can cheer for USA and Trump rather than Hamas, Iran and the rest of the terrorists. USA economy is very strong and experts in business can see it in the confidence of the markets. Only a fool can't see a strong America now.