Bangkok Reports

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[QUOTE=Dr BJ; 1352307]In the interest of not misleading the uniniated :

"The lady you asked after must have been a consultant"

Consultant versus nurses as if there is a difference.

"When you weigh it up it is actually a very cost effective deal."

Cost effective for whom.

"If you go to a go-go bar and try to pick up a girl at say 9 o'clock and ask for LT the vast majority will refuse, in the event you find one who consents you will be quoted.

5, 000 baht"

Simply not true.

"An alternative is to use our V. I. P room which is 2, 500 for 2 hours. Although I do appreciate some people prefer to exclusively use their own hotel."

Most oilies will give you 2 hours for 2300 (800 +1500) and the selection and in a lot of shops the room is infinitely better[/QUOTE]1. Yes there is a difference between the Consultants and nurses. If it is too difficult for you to differentiate between them then pick a nurse and save yourself a modest amount of money.

2. Cost effective for the customer! If you had understood my comparison with MP's and go-go's the baht per hour ratio is much more competitive for the customer who takes a lady from the salon. For example. 2 hours in a MP for roughly 2, 500 baht versus a consultant from the salon from 12 noon until 8 am the following morning for 5, 000 baht (the price for a nurse is 3, 000 baht). So you don't get confused again this represents 1, 250 baht per hour in a MP against 250 baht per hour for a consultant from the salon. I apologize for not expressing this in a way that you could understand in my previous post.

3. Very true. I am giving this example from personal experience on more than one occasion. It's simply not a good earner for the girl to leave a go-go at 9:30 and spend most of the night with a customer for less than 5, 000 (some can be haggled down to 4, 000) when she can do 2 ST sessions, earn 4, 000 and be home by 2 or 2:30. As opposed to leaving a customers room at 6 or 7 in the morning.

4. Correct most oilie's will give you 2 hours for 2, 300. Our V. I. P room is 2, 200 for a nurse and 2, 500 for a consultant. Is 200 baht really that big an issue to you, with respect to an oilie versus a consultant at the salon? Whether or not the selection of ladies in oilie's or other venues is "infinitely" better is a subjective issue, I. E a matter of opinion as opposed to a matter of fact. It would be a sad world if we all liked the same type of lady. I have been to many oilie's and as for their rooms being infinitely better, oilie's predominately have a shower, our V. I. P has a new en suite bathroom large enough to perform a soapy should the customer request one, the overwhelming majority of oilies have fairly small rooms, our V. I. P is a studio apartment sized room, Most of the oilie's have smallish beds, our V. I. P has a double bed. I hope this makes things clearer for you.

Regards.

BJ

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1350198]If she was that much of a conversationalist why didn't you just ask her instead of trying to guess at it?[/QUOTE]I did ask her but she did not give a convincing answer. Said something about she liked the flexible hours and meeting people.

[QUOTE=Dr BJ; 1352545]Personally I do not like CBJ. Whilst it is true you "may" contract a STI from BBBJ it is only gonorrhea and chlamydia, to the best of my knowledge. In the time I have lived here and previous visits I have only encountered 1 lady who insisted on CBJ. I had no hesitation in allowing this to proceed as this particular aspect of the deal had not been agreed upon prior to the session. I wouldn't class the CBJ as a huge disappointment but it was no where as enjoyable as BBBJ. Incidentally I have never caught an STI in all the BBBJ's I have enjoyed. If the lady is carrying gonorrhea there are several tell-tale signs to indicate this. I was once approached by a SW and like a medieval village I could smell her before I actually set eyes on her, needless to say I declined her advances.

Regards.

BJ[/QUOTE]Not to rain on the parade of anyone who believes in the sanctity of the BBBJ, I kind of went off the idea earlier this year when I got a bad dose of Ghonnorea from a BJ. It really surprised me and the lady had no symptoms. It was in her mouth. When I brought it up with one of my providers, she told me that she was tired of getting infections in her mouth and so is careful. She gives a bit of tongue to the shaft but will only insert if it has a rubber on it. Other girls have told me that they use a mouthwash for this very reason.

If you have a regular partner, like I have, getting an STI in this way can be a problem. Thankfully I never passed it on!

Can someone from you seasoned mongerers enlighten me in the following situation. I am sure some of you allready know where this is going?

When you bring back a girl to your place (no matter what kind of girl) you can watch her everywhere in the room (lights on / off, kitchenette, toilet, livingroom, bedroom) totaly naked in all her beauty and sth covered in sperm as well. When she heads off for the bathroom to clean herself up then, even if it is just 2 meters of walking, she will cover herself with towel or bathrobe. I have tried to ask why as I have seen them naked for long time but can not get an instant good explainable answer. Mostly I get only a shy little "hi hi" and off they go all covered up.

Why?

[QUOTE=Skogis; 1352586]Can someone from you seasoned mongerers enlighten me in the following situation. I am sure some of you allready know where this is going?

When you bring back a girl to your place (no matter what kind of girl) you can watch her everywhere in the room (lights on / off, kitchenette, toilet, livingroom, bedroom) totaly naked in all her beauty and sth covered in sperm as well. When she heads off for the bathroom to clean herself up then, even if it is just 2 meters of walking, she will cover herself with towel or bathrobe. I have tried to ask why as I have seen them naked for long time but can not get an instant good explainable answer. Mostly I get only a shy little "hi hi" and off they go all covered up.

Why?[/QUOTE]Some things must remain a mystery my good man. You are asking us yet I am of the opinion that the girls don't even know why.

[quote=oldian; 1352429]thailand is not the us, or vietnam, or the dominican. although the pay for play scene here is becoming far more like those places, precisely because too many men come over here and drop ridiculous amounts of cash in the laps of the girls and don't expect anything for it [/quote]mannnn, what are you talking about. i was in the disco last week and i was looking dead at a guy for certain he was about to live out his rap video fantasy. in his left hand was a stack of 20 baht bills. i would say about $50 worth. i guess the fella forgot to separate the bills beforehand but he threw half of them in the air across the dance floor followed by the other half. they didn't separate in the air like he was intending, but just landed like a bar of soap before a few rep001tered. the only person who moved was the cleaning lady who picked them up off the floor. i guess it was a nice bonus for her.

on another note, last week my cousin said that one of his regulars served him notice that her services are now 1500 or 2000. she said that she is worth more than the 1000 ultralt that he gives her. he laughed at her and told her to pull that one on the new guys who come to town because he wasn't going for it.

[quote=mr enternational; 1352598]mannnn, what are you talking about. i was in the disco last week and i was looking dead at a guy for certain he was about to live out his rap video fantasy. in his left hand was a stack of 20 baht bills. i would say about $50 worth. i guess the fella forgot to separate the bills beforehand but he threw half of them in the air across the dance floor followed by the other half. they didn't separate in the air like he was intending, but just landed like a bar of soap before a few rep001tered. the only person who moved was the cleaning lady who picked them up off the floor. i guess it was a nice bonus for her.

on another note, last week my cousin said that one of his regulars served him notice that her services are now 1500 or 2000. she said that she is worth more than the 1000 ultralt that he gives her. he laughed at her and told her to pull that one on the new guys who come to town because he wasn't going for it.[/quote]haha i am laughing my ass off here. what a sorry ass throwing money around. only poor people without respect for money would do such a thing. i am happy to hear no one reacted as intended.

and to your cousin: i feel that the girls don't have the best hand to negotiate with as the bangkok scene is crowded with willing ladies who would love to have a regular 1000bht every now and then. but ofcourse to support the girl as well. it is her job to try squeeze your cousin and the rest of us for as much money as possible.

for my regular fleet of girls i am on a non paying program as they mostly are well off (within reason ofcourse) and manage on their own. but ofcourse the wine and dine and the occational buy new outfit is on me. so i guess it would be cheaper to have the 1000bht deal after all. but by all means most of the girls realy earn every penny i spend on them as some are realy outstanding bedpartners. some i get the feel have been playing around quite a bit and i would suspect a couple of them maby works in a gentlemansclub or sth. meaning they cater the more so called high end market as they throw money around as there is no tomorrow. but as long as i get what i want i don't put so much effort into do research / investigations.

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1352590]Some things must remain a mystery my good man. You are asking us yet I am of the opinion that the girls don't even know why.[/QUOTE]He he I know but you have to agree it is kind of silly? I don't mean you or others can possible know the answer. It was more of a head up for sth think is so stupidlike I can hardly find words to describe it. And there are no exptions. Everyone, hehe. I will dive into this matter from now on and I will add this into my interviews pre sessions. As in: "can you promise you will walk into bathroom without covering as I most likely have seen you naked, maby shot some nude pics of you as well."This has to do with how mother is raising their daughters. In Norway my GF is running around the house naked without hesitation. Atleast it adds a bit normality / sense if we have been doing adultbusiness as well.

I know it ruins the fantasy and some of us have hobby requirements that need danger in order to be satisfying, but the sex worker trade in 3rd world countries is rife with HIV, with some infection rates running up to 30% in female and 50% in male sex worker populations. In many of these countries, the HIV prevalence is 5. That gives one an average chance of 20% of picking up "the one" in a random setting, outside of the sex worker arena. Not good odds.

All these statistics mean little when the big head ain't thinking. I used to BB anal with sex workers in US, Africa and South America but I no longer do. I detest condoms and can only get off using one if I have several days' load built up, and the girl has to be really working it hard. I usually resort to BBBJ, titfucking, and handjob happy endings since I get to enjoy it way better than with a condom in a puss most times. But even BBBJ carries risks as noted below. The main problem is that for men, some of these infections are present but not symptomatic such as herpes, HPV (neither stopped by condom use) , but for women these infections can be deadly in the form of cervical cancer and devastating lesions inside the vagina resulting in lots of pain. Not a good gift to bring home to the old lady.

I have also seen a lot of discussion about how girls at some establishments are "checked" for STIs. May be true, but most of this is visual. Not effective unless a girl is having a herpes outbreak, which you want to avoid, but that is only for herpes and the virus can be passed without an active outbreak happening. None of the other diseases can be "seen" by visual inspection. For HIV, the infection can occur and the tests won't show anything until weeks later. Even if you gave a chick a 15 minute HIV rapid test before fucking her, you would have to hope she hadn't acquired the infection in the previous 2-4 weeks, which you wouldn't know for sure until 2-4 weeks later. If you find a chick willing to give you a BB fuck you can bet she is giving that to the other guys she is fucking, which for some can be 20 a week from all over the world, and those dudes have been fucking sex workers for years in some cases, just like us. That's scary bros.

But to each his own. I am certainly in no position to lecture anyone. I just like to have the facts in order to make decisions. Sorry for the buzzkill.

[QUOTE=Simian; 1352577]Not to rain on the parade of anyone who believes in the sanctity of the BBBJ, I kind of went off the idea earlier this year when I got a bad dose of Ghonnorea from a BJ. It really surprised me and the lady had no symptoms. It was in her mouth. When I brought it up with one of my providers, she told me that she was tired of getting infections in her mouth and so is careful. She gives a bit of tongue to the shaft but will only insert if it has a rubber on it. Other girls have told me that they use a mouthwash for this very reason.

If you have a regular partner, like I have, getting an STI in this way can be a problem. Thankfully I never passed it on![/QUOTE]

Has the bathroom typically been attached to the main residence or detached in rural Thailand?

[QUOTE=Oldian; 1352429]Thailand is NOT the US, or Vietnam, or the Dominican. Although the pay for play scene here is becoming far more like those places, precisely because too many men come over here and drop ridiculous amounts of cash in the laps of the girls AND don't expect anything for it. As in Stickman's excellent post of some weeks ago, a guy paying 2000 baht ST plus a 600 baht bar fine, plus a lady drink or two plus his own drinks, plus a ST hotel room (because the girl has given him a million excuses as to why she isn't going to his hotel) and all this coupled with the fact that in his allotted hour, there are 4 showers, the dressing and undressing, which basically leaves you with wham bam thank you Noi. And is it really worth it then to fly X. 0000 miles for that? Having lived and mongered here for over a decade I would say that if anything, the girls are getting more and more used to getting away with not doing much other than reciting a script. Ap nam, don't kiss me here or there, jakajee, hurry up. And this behavior continues precisely because men continue to pay them for such service.

No, the majority of the girls in the trade today are not butchering chickens or growing rice, they are far far far too lazy to do that. They have long traded that for the preferred life of sleeping and doing as little as possible as long as the cash flows in.

Nobody here is talking anything whatsoever about not paying girls, we are talking about a business transaction. You know it and the girls know it. If you tell me that your menu has chocolate ice cream with cake on it and that is what I order, that is what I expect to get. Usually, in the case of a restaurant not delivering the goods, well a smart manager comes out and gives the patron a dish on the house, to dissipate any bad feelings and to try to win his business back again. If not, you can pretty damn well guarantee the customer isn't coming back again.

What I find interesting is that quite a good number of these girls fully know what they are doing, and when you call them on it, they actually will acknowledge it. I have had a few girls over the years who came home and didn't provide service, whom I immediately kicked out of the room with taxi fare to go back where she came from. Several days later, I saw the same girl in the same place and she saw me and recognized me, and most hysterically, I took her friend home. The first girl never once told her friend that I wouldn't pay or that I was a bad man, and my experience with the friend was actually a good one. The girl knew she'd tried to pull one, couldn't get away with it, and slunk away with her tail between her legs.

Remember man, you are engaged in a business transaction, not in some bleeding heart poverty tale or play the knight in shining armor role. The girls know fully well what is expected of them. Try going to a Thai fishbowl place and having a girl who doesn't perform. You call the papasan and within 2 minutes he will get you another girl, and believe me, the non performer will be getting an earful as well.[/QUOTE]Most of us did not move here to pay exorbitant prices for mediocre service. We came here for cheap good sex with attractive women. If we wanted to pay through the nose for girls with attitudes, we would have stayed at home.

Oldian is spot on about the girls in the biz. Most are way to lazy to get an education and then work in a related field. Prostitution is the easy way out. Hey, glad they are there but no "poor little farm girl" act for me. They are there to provide a service and I expect them to.

As a good friend said and I agree, one of the biggest problems with the scene here is that guys don't come to Thailand to "f&%k work*ng girls, they come here to date worki*g girls."

I see several posts in FB regarding PIMP club in Bangkok. Can any of the fellow mongers give some details regarding this.

I travel to BKK every month, never been to PIMP called.

MM

[QUOTE=Micky Mouse; 1352668]I see several posts in FB regarding PIMP club in Bangkok. Can any of the fellow mongers give some details regarding this.

I travel to BKK every month, never been to PIMP called.

MM[/QUOTE]This is not from personal experience, but I have been told by others that there are a lot of coyotes I. E dancing girls who will sit and have a drink with you but cannot be BF. The other point I have been told is that the drinks are very expensive.

Regards.

BJ

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1352663]As a good friend said and I agree, one of the biggest problems with the scene here is that guys don't come to Thailand to "f&%k work*ng girls, they come here to date worki*g girls."[/QUOTE]On the other hand, the same guys that come to date working girls come to fuck regular girls and not to date them

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy;1352695]On the other hand, the same guys that come to date working girls come to fuck regular girls and not to date them[/QUOTE]don't be so cruel Frenchy. As other members is stating most of the girls in the P4P sceene is very lazy. Maby they come from a farm somewhere but they are not material I would have hired to work out in the fields. Fields for them these days are selling there pussy and in many cases they try to get away with it doing as little as possible for as much rewardment as possible, hehe. Funny mechanism. So far I think (but this is only what I feel) I have managed quite well.

I watched here last night my second Climax girl (she had to be fresh from the farm but stunning beautiful) from the first of her many showers (they go in and out all the time) and she was asking for help as in how the regulators in the shower worked. To many handles for her to find out herself. I sometimes, and I am not professor in physics myself (but I have a decent CV) , find Thai girls beeing most unpractical in everyday issues (or speaking freely maby stupid and uneducated). Someone agree with my findings? I started laughing and went into the bathroom pulling the showerknob down as for the water started to poor down. She also laughed. Even if the girls I sometimes meet have the age around 30 they have knowledge of a 10 year old back home in my country when it comes to everyday situations and soulutions of easy problems.

Skogis