Jakarta

[QUOTE=Rajdasking;3012906]Nah from experience makes whole system awkward. Lot of jealously&shit kicks in. I want a no drama 2 regulars long terms&1-2 slots to try others while in Jak.

Movenpick is hotel right next to Emporium. New, clean, great facilities, amazing staff, restaurants, gym etc.

Cafes nearby to meet potential SugarBs.

Cash machine onsite.

3/4 restaurants to wine&dine the girls after a session.[/QUOTE]There isn't that jealousy in Indo. All the girls I've been with are happy to share their friends. "Spread the wealth" seems to be the normal theme here.

[QUOTE=GaijinGigolo;3012980]There isn't that jealousy in Indo. All the girls I've been with are happy to share their friends. "Spread the wealth" seems to be the normal theme here.[/QUOTE]Just tell the girl you are a butterfly. Then all the incentive is to spend the money locally amongst her and her friends vs receiving nothing when the guy finds third party girls.

G.

[QUOTE=Goferring;3013020]Just tell the girl you are a butterfly. Then all the incentive is to spend the money locally amongst her and her friends vs receiving nothing when the guy finds third party girls.

G.[/QUOTE]Yeah, that works. I did have one girl try to latch onto me like I was her boyfriend. Kept messaging me wanting me meet up again. But otherwise they've all been well aware that I am, and will continue to, see others.

Any guys been to places around new medika.

Daan Mogot.

Prices are about same or little more but any reports.

Maybe they have 20 to 30 girls busy night?

Some reports about new medika same.

HR 400 k.

There are few more places next street.

Cahaya Arwana.

Hotpants karaoke.

Wijaya 77 Karaoke & Bar.

I was there early one evening but left as they open 9 pm.

I'm outside Jakarta, if someone wants to check it.

Go after 9 pm and report.

If someone already been there.

Any comparison to Travel Classic.

[QUOTE=XXL;3012847]Classic takes credit card payments with a physical credit card but doesn't take payments through Google Wallet (called "tap" in Indonesia). Emporium takes both.[/QUOTE]Terminal 5 my card was declined.

They have multiple card machines.

Some used in local stores don't have international allow.

But many hotel bigger stores have international visa Mastercard accept.

It could be they used only local machine card reader.

Paid cash but l should have asked for another card reader.

Can someone verify international visa card worked level 5 or 2 only.

[QUOTE=Sriraj91;3012812]Yes, My card got swallowed by the ATM, luckily I had other debit cards. Always travel with backup cards, keep in different places.[/QUOTE]If you on expat groups its well known card gets swallowed.

Recommended to use only day hours when staff available to get it for you.

I had BNI left near classic card stuck as guy before me withdrawal very high amount, could be he almost made it empty.

My card was stuck and staff pushed buttons to get it back and talk to my bank that I did not get cash.

Calling Schwab they opened report and credit amount.

So FYI use ATM only when staff around in indo.

[QUOTE=Chilli1;3013037]Terminal 5 my card was declined.

They have multiple card machines.

Some used in local stores don't have international allow.

But many hotel bigger stores have international visa Mastercard accept.

It could be they used only local machine card reader.

Paid cash but l should have asked for another card reader.

Can someone verify international visa card worked level 5 or 2 only.[/QUOTE]I used my capital one debit mastercard in classic T5 recently and it was accepted. I paid for the 365 k for the girl, my 5 k entry fee and InsolentSpike's 5 k entry fee all with my debit card and it was accepted. I got quite a good exchange rate too. It was about $23.

-Gabacho.

About girls:

- Jakarta more young, very more beautiful, nice, slow time, less scam. And very cheaper.

- Pattaya: you can walk around. Beautiful CITY than Jakarta. Tourists town. Girls beautiful are difficult to find, very expensive and with a lot of clients (little time for you).

Food is very good and cheaper in both the place. Hotel rate is similar, a little less in Jakarta.

About Jakarta airport, I think you will be out in less than 1 hour. To arrive to hotel I strongly suggested Blue Birds taxi: cheaper, nice, and safe. You can book and pay at airport entrance.

So no hidden fee.

[QUOTE=Mogwai;3005802]I'm considering a trip to Jakarta, for the first time (first time Indonesia as well). I've almost finished reading back from about November last year, but I'm not convinced (yet) if I should do it.
I'm a white guy, early 60's, tall, slim, and not that bad looking if I may say so myself. I hate condoms and am only after BBFSCIP from young ladies, preferably between 18 - 25. I can quite easily get that from 6's, 7's, and the occasional 8 in Pattaya, my usual hunting ground. So I'm wondering if it's worth all the hassle. I want to combine it with a trip to Thailand: two weeks Pattaya and one week Jakarta.
Some guys here seem to have loads of fun and say it's heaven on earth, while others are less enthusiastic and say it's OK but no more than that.

So what are the pros and cons of the girls in Jakarta, compared to the girls in Pattaya? Are the Jakarta girls generally sweeter, and do they give a better GFE? Or is that really hit or miss?
Or are you guys only going here because the girls are cheaper?

And another question: if I book a trip, I will arrive at the airport around 6 PM. So I guess I will have gone through immigration and collected my luggage around 7 or 7:30 PM. Will the rush hour be over by then and can I take a cab, or is it better to take the subway? I think I will be staying at the Redtop Hotel.[/QUOTE]

Thou shall never hit. Like everything there are exceptions. Why would it ever rise to that level? Because of the sheer dishonesty.

1. The nerve that she would waltz around by day in a hijab; and by night start lying about everything.

A. her fake photos on the internet that often times are egregious; other times are borderline white / dark skin that entice a customer.

That the customer thinks his sifting thru is bering rewarded, that she is possibly Chindo.

Be. The nerve of her to think you, the bule, are so stupid to overlook her photos. The nerve of her to think your horniness will make everything ok.

See. Her everlasting dishonesty to the very end. When called out on her fake photos; She insists they are real, "Honey that's really me".

The. The dissappointment that you feel, of being let down. The work you put in, the translation (because she doesn't have the decency to pre-translate her text).

The pre-vetting that you went thru. You even told her, "If your photos are fake, I give you no money, tell me now!" She continues to lie.

E. You tell her that you hate indonesian men, and ask her "do you work with agency / man or are you independent"? She will lie about this as well.

F. In fact every once in a while during online texting with girls you should text, "Am I speaking to a man"? "Is this an agency"?

G. When you look back, you realize how calculated, how predatory, she or he, probably he, was. The request, "Honey take a picture of your room key / door number; bercause he.

And she knows that purgatory is getting thru your front door.

H. The sheer exhaustion you feel, in-between your beer drinking, from thinking / mounting a counter move to what likely are agency manuevers.

In conclusion maybe Seeking is worth the premium membership if dishonesty is less here. I have seen that tan tan is just as bad as michat. Yes there is doctoring of photos.

On every dating site around the world; but I would never be inclined to post this if Indo dating wasnt 20 times more fake than Thaifriendly.

Mi-chat shenannigans; what to do about them? ID throw tinder into the mix as well as they have fake photos as well.

What this forum needs is a strategic checklist on how to deal with online indo dating.

One point is you stating in your texts that you can not "Offer what you will pay based off of photos.

That, in all probability are fake. I will determine what I will pay when I see girl on the street in front / the vicinity.

Of my hotel". So there, that just there solved the extreme hassle of texting back and forth. Eliminate the texting and you have severely.

Reduced your pain.

Why would she complain about this? Because her agent wants to get you in some sort of contract. I really don't know how much power.

An agent has; I have not heard of any stories on this thread. Has anybody ever been strong-armed by an agent (michat or other) that became threatening.

When you backed out of a deal because of an ugly?

In conclusion you should not bend on these key points no matter how horny you are:

1. You know she has a phone. You know indo girls spend every wakeful hour recording tik tok videos and looking at themselves in their phone.

So it is a major red flag when she resists sending you a selfie that takes 2 minutes. Have her point two fingers in the sky. (I'm plagarizing LIH69 brilliant idea).

2. take photos of the coffee shop / cafe next to your hotel to send her so you "can guide her in". If her response is this is too complicated.

Than you just weeded her out.

Its really unfortunate that these issues even have to be discussed but some of these ugly fake indonesian girls have the nastiness, burliness, big arms, that if they.

Manage to get in your room they will refuse to leave, will extort you, and finally ruin your day.

[QUOTE=Chilli1;3013035]Any guys been to places around new medika.

Daan Mogot.

Prices are about same or little more but any reports.

Maybe they have 20 to 30 girls busy night?

Some reports about new medika same.

HR 400 k.

There are few more places next street.

Cahaya Arwana.

Hotpants karaoke.

Wijaya 77 Karaoke & Bar.

I was there early one evening but left as they open 9 pm.

I'm outside Jakarta, if someone wants to check it.

Go after 9 pm and report.

If someone already been there.

Any comparison to Travel Classic.[/QUOTE]Please go around 9:30 and give us a second opinion.

[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?965-Jakarta&p=2935754&highlight=Medika[/URL]#post2935754.

[QUOTE=GiovanniVolo;3013068]About girls:

- Jakarta more young, very more beautiful, nice, slow time, less scam. And very cheaper.

- Pattaya: you can walk around. Beautiful CITY than Jakarta. Tourists town. Girls beautiful are difficult to find, very expensive and with a lot of clients (little time for you).

Food is very good and cheaper in both the place. Hotel rate is similar, a little less in Jakarta.

About Jakarta airport, I think you will be out in less than 1 hour. To arrive to hotel I strongly suggested Blue Birds taxi: cheaper, nice, and safe. You can book and pay at airport entrance.

So no hidden fee.[/QUOTE]Thanks for that mate really appreciate it quite reassuring actually because I've been thinking of moving on.

Pattaya was on the radar and also Cebu or Makati.

What you said about Pattaya makes sense – sounds a bit hectic these days.

Jakarta's still got that slower pace and nicer feel, proper value too.

Girls are just easier to vibe with and whole thing's less transactional.

Curious though – what's your take on Cebu or Makati.

Apart from the English bit which we all know – how are they for service, costs, and the full bbfscip side of things.

Worth looking into or nah.

Also – any good tips for serviced apartments? I'm paying just over 30 jt / month at the moment.

But I keep hearing 20 is possible for something decent – hotel-grade, 4 star sort of thing.

Ideally near our usual playground of course.

Would be fab if you've got any recs.

Bit of a weird one at T5 last night. Had a cracking little session with Yuka from Sofa 1. Tiny little rocket, properly tight, total firecracker. Snapped a couple pics in the room – just casual, you know, a few selfies, bit of fun. She was all smiles, totally on board, even posed a bit – didn't feel off at all.

Anyway. I'm sat there after, nursing a pint, feeling rather pleased with myself and suddenly I get tapped on the shoulder by this squat little manager bloke. Shows up with three security lads – bit dramatic really.

Starts asking for my phone, telling me I've got to delete all the photos. Says it's not allowed, rules and whatnot.

Now. I didn't exactly argue, just played it cool and did the polite thing.

But it does make you wonder. Are the rooms being watched? Or did she say something after I left? Can't imagine why – I gave her a 300 k tip, she was grinning like a Cheshire cat on the way out.

Strange business. Bit of a mood killer, really. But make me wonder. How the hell did he find out about what happened in the room!!

[QUOTE=Rajdasking;3012889]Landed and daymn the humidity + rain. Pollution. Why am I here again? Oh yeah for the indo pussy. Check.

Gave Movenpick a miss. Central Jakarta (pricey) apartment this time cab away from my place of worship aka Emporium. Remote working so a much longer stay this round.

Gameplan: See prior sugarBs, find some new ones for lunch / main course. After night dessert: Emporium for swim then fck time.

Ordered a grab for a tried&tested sugarB I saw twice for sleepovers in Movenpick last time. Kept in touch and arranged weeks in advance. Intense rough sex, just how she likes it. Love civvie indo chicks.

Food from grab. We sleep. Wake up morning shower sex, went for brunch in some fancy place she wanted. Going to move onto a FWB / regular dates with small allowance, which was the whole point of all of this. Last time she was in Uni, now unemployed grad so pretty much wants to meet regularly. Talks of meeting her friends ensued. Me: for 3 sum? Her: No! So they know 'my man'. I shut that idea down quickly. Discretion is key in the sugar game boys, set your boundaries&expectations. Understand hers, THEN come to a mutual agreement.

Might pop into Emporium KTV / bar floor&say Hi to old faces / check talent.

P.S. Pic of my indo (now) regular's tits. I have to say these indo chicks just have amazing boobs. Must be something in the water.

Happy hunting.

RDKing Out.[/QUOTE]Looks rather tasty, mate.

Was that a Seeking find, or from the usual swipey stuff – Tinder, Badoo, that sort of thing?

Also, how old's the lass? And what was the deal – did she come with a PPM ask or monthly arrangement?

Lowest I've done in Jakarta was with this 21-year-old chef girl – absolute stunner.

She only wanted 2. 5 jt a month, which at the time I thought was a typo.

But she was barely free – maybe once a week if I was lucky.

Cracking body though, brilliant rack – very worth it.

Highest I've heard of was around 15 jt / month, which is a bit rich unless it's full girlfriend mode.

What's your range been like?

And any success with the younger SBs – 18,19 sort of range? Always tricky but worth asking.

[QUOTE=EdAdams;3013103]How the hell did he find out about what happened in the room!![/QUOTE]Same thing happened to Gabacho and I two weeks ago. We walked in and were enjoying the view. Out of nowhere two security guys came and asked Gabacho to follow him to the back. He complied but returned soon after saying he refused to go as he had no idea where they were taking him. Soon there were 4 security guards surrounding both of us. They even grabbed Gabacho and attempted to take him by force. Eventually the short manager that you described came and politely asked Gabacho to follow him.

Gabacho asked me to join him to which I complied. They had us sit down in the back at the managers office surrounded by the security guards. As we walked to sit down I spotted the girl from Gabacho's selfie sitting with her mamasan covering her face.

The manager explained the same situation and Gabacho deleted the post and selfies from his phone. As we concluded and went back to the stage I noticed that the girl and her mamasan were no longer there sitting behind us.

I told Gabacho she was probably there to positively identify him.

After that incident we stayed at T5 but I noticed many of the patrons staring at us due to what had happened. After a few minutes we decided to leave.