Jakarta

I don't think there are any cameras in the room, it shouldn't be allowed (intrusion of privacy). I have made many photos and videos and so have my friends. I think the girl was new and after session she must have gone around and shared with her friends who advised her against this. Or she just wanted a good tip. I had the same episode at Emporium last year. Security and mami came to me and politely asked me to delete photos from the phone.

[QUOTE=EdAdams;3013103]Bit of a weird one at T5 last night. Had a cracking little session with Yuka from Sofa 1. Tiny little rocket, properly tight, total firecracker. Snapped a couple pics in the room just casual, you know, a few selfies, bit of fun. She was all smiles, totally on board, even posed a bit didn't feel off at all.

Anyway. I'm sat there after, nursing a pint, feeling rather pleased with myself and suddenly I get tapped on the shoulder by this squat little manager bloke. Shows up with three security lads bit dramatic really.

Starts asking for my phone, telling me I've got to delete all the photos. Says it's not allowed, rules and whatnot.

Now. I didn't exactly argue, just played it cool and did the polite thing.

But it does make you wonder. Are the rooms being watched? Or did she say something after I left? Can't imagine why I gave her a 300 k tip, she was grinning like a Cheshire cat on the way out.

Strange business. Bit of a mood killer, really. But make me wonder. How the hell did he find out about what happened in the room!![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=InsolentSpike;3013131]Same thing happened to Gabacho and I two weeks ago. We walked in and were enjoying the view. Out of nowhere two security guys came and asked Gabacho to follow him to the back. He complied but returned soon after saying he refused to go as he had no idea where they were taking him. Soon there were 4 security guards surrounding both of us. They even grabbed Gabacho and attempted to take him by force. Eventually the short manager that you described came and politely asked Gabacho to follow him.

Gabacho asked me to join him to which I complied. They had us sit down in the back at the managers office surrounded by the security guards. As we walked to sit down I spotted the girl from Gabacho's selfie sitting with her mamasan covering her face.

The manager explained the same situation and Gabacho deleted the post and selfies from his phone. As we concluded and went back to the stage I noticed that the girl and her mamasan were no longer there sitting behind us.

I told Gabacho she was probably there to positively identify him.

After that incident we stayed at T5 but I noticed many of the patrons staring at us due to what had happened. After a few minutes we decided to leave.[/QUOTE]I'm trying to get my head around this. Gabacho took photos on a previous visit of a girl in the room. The establishment found out, either because (1) the girl told them, or (2) there's some recording device in the room? The management then call Gabacho into the office, the next time he visits, and tell him to delete the photos.

There were no other consequences? No warning like "If you do it again, we will. " etc? How did the security guys recognise Gabacho whilst he's sitting in the bar? Did the girl point him out, or do the management have a photo of him somewhere on their system? Genuinely curious.

[QUOTE=EdAdams;3013103]But it does make you wonder. Are the rooms being watched? Or did she say something after I left? Can't imagine why I gave her a 300 k tip, she was grinning like a Cheshire cat on the way out.

Strange business. Bit of a mood killer, really. But make me wonder. How the hell did he find out about what happened in the room!![/QUOTE]I doubt the girl would go and say anything about it.

It might be that someone was nearby outside of your room and heard you and the girl while you were taking the pics.

[QUOTE=InsolentSpike;3013131]Same thing happened to Gabacho and I two weeks ago.[/QUOTE]Which means that someone over there is reading this forum.

So all the talks of barebacking the providers are therefore counterproductive to the guys who absolutely want to go raw.

Not to mention the privacy of the girls when someone mention their names or distinctive signs in the reports.

[QUOTE=InsolentSpike;3013131]Same thing happened to Gabacho and I two weeks ago. We walked in and were enjoying the view. Out of nowhere two security guys came and asked Gabacho to follow him to the back. He complied but returned soon after saying he refused to go as he had no idea where they were taking him. Soon there were 4 security guards surrounding both of us. They even grabbed Gabacho and attempted to take him by force. Eventually the short manager that you described came and politely asked Gabacho to follow him.

Gabacho asked me to join him to which I complied. They had us sit down in the back at the managers office surrounded by the security guards. As we walked to sit down I spotted the girl from Gabacho's selfie sitting with her mamasan covering her face.

The manager explained the same situation and Gabacho deleted the post and selfies from his phone. As we concluded and went back to the stage I noticed that the girl and her mamasan were no longer there sitting behind us.

I told Gabacho she was probably there to positively identify him.

After that incident we stayed at T5 but I noticed many of the patrons staring at us due to what had happened. After a few minutes we decided to leave.[/QUOTE]Wow that rather incentivates me to give T5 a miss in the future! It is a scam if a girl agrees to pics in the room (in order to get a tip), then denounces you once she's out of the room. If they have cameras installed it is not a good thing either.

It can't be that I'm the only one pissed off about these fake photos on the internet. So far I established with a girl that was met on tinder that; if she.

Gets 1. 5 juta on a date, she gives 750,000 to the agency, providing the agency with a whopping half of her take.

It got murky and confusing when I asked her what she gets from the agency in return; because of her and I's language barrier.

I tried to coax the answer from her that the agency provides protection in the event of a police bust, but her answer to this.

Was not sufficiently confirmative.

I am concluding, and I'm taking a wild guess, that agency girls (girls that have a male indo handler) are the ugly ones where.

The agency helps provide her the singaporean-looking glossies and possibly does all the texting and negotiation texting with ther customer.

The fact that you might be texting with another man, when you thought you were texting with the girl, is a distinct possibility.

To text to your date, or the man, that "You don't believe in photos and that you cannot tell her / him what you would pay, until she arrives and you see her" is.

The solution. Am I right?

And if she / him sais that is too complicated then you just weeded out an ugly girl. Another "tequnique" is too request the girl / agent to text back to you that they are agreeing.

To that if the girls photo is fake, or she is fat and hid it under a frilly dress photo then free cancel.

[QUOTE=Safado70;3012954]You want to send her money regularly while you are not in Indonesia?[/QUOTE]No. She's with me when I'm here and gets pampered. When I go Bali or Dxb going to take her with me. She's up for MFF 3 sum now so no issues. Writing next chapter.

[QUOTE=Parasitius;3013161]It DOES NOT add up if you didn't have to work to convince her about the photos.

They're watching you in the room on hidden camera and she is newish and didn't know. Then they try to position her as a tattle so you won't realize it. Nothing else makes sense if this account is objective.[/QUOTE]Honestly mate, I'the love to think there's no hidden cam feels a bit far-fetched, even for Jakarta.

But let's be real. If there were a dodgy little camera tucked behind the smoke detector, I wouldn't exactly be gobsmacked.

Some fella in a back room, trousers half off, sipping kopi while watching me fumble about like it's live pay-per-view.

Still, most likely she said something to her mami.

Probably went, "Oh he took a photo, but it was cute!

And mami, being the drama queen she is, summoned the manager and three lads from central casting to make a scene.

Anyway, I'm choosing that version.

Because if I genuinely thought there was a surveillance op in there, I'the have to start bringing props and giving a performance.

"Good evening gentlemen, welcome back to episode four: 'Classic Connoisseur'.

[QUOTE=XXL;3013157]Wow that rather incentivates me to give T5 a miss in the future! It is a scam if a girl agrees to pics in the room (in order to get a tip), then denounces you once she's out of the room. If they have cameras installed it is not a good thing either.[/QUOTE]Yep. I am doing that too mate. Sticking to Terminal 3 for now. Or at least for a few weeks.

[QUOTE=EdAdams;3013176]Yep. I am doing that too mate. Sticking to Terminal 3 for now. Or at least for a few weeks.[/QUOTE]T5 and T2 are owned by the same people.

What's happening in one place is probably happening in the second, just saying.

[QUOTE=Safado70;3009877]Hi Gabacho, I really appreciate your reports and I'm looking forward to see you next month in Jakarta. But I think it's a bad idea to post pictures of girls from classic mentioning specific services you got from them. It is very likely that some idiot will take these screenshots to a mammy, ask for this girl and later complain if he didn't get the same service. This could make life very difficult for all us bules who frequent classic. You redacted the photos but the girls are still easy to recognise, especially for someone who frequents classic. In one case you even forgot to blur the tattoo.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=Fudimaar;3013146]How did the security guys recognise Gabacho whilst he's sitting in the bar? Did the girl point him out, or do the management have a photo of him somewhere on their system? Genuinely curious.[/QUOTE]When one posts photos where the working location (eg Classic Tx), name and identifiable photo (sorry, blurring out the eyes is not going to suffice when a girl is wearing a colorful schoolgirl uniform or has unique tattoos) of a provider is posted, it is virtually assured that some motherfucker will attempt to take that photo and use it to identify the girl for fuckery purposes. In addition, when you don't completely crop yourself out of the photo (even clothes are identifiable), you take additional risk. I am NOT saying that these particular posts were the cause of these new measures in Classic, but there is suggestive evidence that girls are now being told to report any photo taking (overt or covert) to mammy and management for them to confront and confiscate photos. Of course they are probably aware that someone can recover deleted photots, but the point is to say "we know what you are doing and who you are" to discourage the specific act of photo taking. What is particularly troubling is that girls seem to be allowing pics in the room without a fuss and then reporting after the session has been completed (probably to ensure that the venue and girl gets paid for the service before tapping the shoulder).[QUOTE=Muzungufotsy;3013153]Thats what happened when people brag themselves on this board thinking they are untouchable and that nobody is reading this board. Putting too much attention on local places is not good, putting pictures of working girls who can be easily recognized in a muslim country is completely stupid and selfish.[/QUOTE]Unfortunately this is the case IMHO. And I would add this applies for any country, not just Muslim ones. I suppose many of us (me in particular) like to get trophies of our sessions, even if to remember from girl to girl. However, I have learned the very very hard way that there are absolute motherfuckers on this site that will use photo posts for thier own fucked up purposes. I recently posted a reminder about this in the PH Photo Gallery ([URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?2446-Photo-Gallery&p=3003278#post3003278[/URL]). Having been burned to a crisp by nasty motherfuckers, I edit photos where there is no recognizable face or body markings (tattoo, birth mark, etc). Background is blurred or cropped. No names. Nothing easily identifiable. This is easily achieved with phone editing. When I post a pic, I inevitably get requests by PM for digits or contact. Once a contact can be paired with a pic, never ever do I share the contact for this simple reason of risk to me and the girl.[QUOTE=EdAdams;3013178]Best thing is probably to lay low for a few weeks let the dust settle, the mamasans forget our faces, and the security squad find a new hobby.[/QUOTE]Good luck with that. In my experience, Mamasans in Asia have 10 times better facial recognition than AI. Faces are rarely forgotten in venues in Asia, especially when associated with such transgressions. And now another guy got dragged in, so he is probably marked for life as well. Worse than getting caught cheating in a Macau casino. Lessons to be learned, I am sure. Key point here is not to be surprised herein if and when you get a tap on your shoulder after taking even an innocent selfie in Classic.
While on the topic, I was musing about the risks being taken by the guy who is proudly posting explicit pics in the Photo Gallery about his exploits doing OF content with a provider in Bali and sharing with all and sundry to make the link. Don't think that could go sideways? Enjoy, AR.

[QUOTE=EdAdams;3013178]Haha, sounds like T5's got its own little secret service operation going on!

Best thing is probably to lay low for a few weeks let the dust settle, the mamasans forget our faces, and the security squad find a new hobby.

Then, back we go same game, fresh smiles, maybe this time I'll bring a disguise or at least a decent hat to keep 'them guessing.[/QUOTE]Mamasans won't forget and won't forgive trust me.

Pro Tip: don't take pictures of the girl. Just get her contact and make sure she saves your contact too. This way you will get her WhatsApp status updates with a lot of pictures of her. As a bonus with all the filters she will be using she will look way more beautiful than in real life. 555.

[QUOTE=Parasitius;3013161]It DOES NOT add up if you didn't have to work to convince her about the photos.

They're watching you in the room on hidden camera and she is newish and didn't know. Then they try to position her as a tattle so you won't realize it. Nothing else makes sense if this account is objective.[/QUOTE]Why would there be cameras in the room? Would be a ridiculous thing to do.

This place would have ZERO customers if that were the case.

I showed pics taken in the rooms to floor-3 mamasans on a couple of occasion in order to track down a girl. The mamasans didn't seem to mind my having taken pics. They seemed to welcome the pics as a help to put a name on the girl. The pics were not nudes though. They just showed me and the girl standing side by side in the mirror after dressing up.

Which suggests the vigilantism may be going after pic posters, not after pic takers. All the same, lesson learnt. No more pics at Classic's for me thank you. Nude pics are against the law in Indonesia. There's nothing stopping the goons from beating you up if they decided to. Note that unpleasant as it may be, this rabidity against openness is why Jakarta has remained relatively unspoilt.

[QUOTE=XXL;3013245]I showed pics taken in the rooms to floor-3 mamasans on a couple of occasion in order to track down a girl. The mamasans didn't seem to mind my having taken pics. They seemed to welcome the pics as a help to put a name on the girl. The pics were not nudes though. They just showed me and the girl standing side by side in the mirror after dressing up.

Which suggests the vigilantism may be going after pic posters, not after pic takers. All the same, lesson learnt. No more pics at Classic's for me thank you. Nude pics are against the law in Indonesia. There's nothing stopping the goons from beating you up if they decided to. Note that unpleasant as it may be, this rabidity against openness is why Jakarta has remained relatively unspoilt.[/QUOTE]Just as a side note, I've never taken any nudes in Jakarta, at classic or otherwise. These were just simple clothes on selfies we were referring to. And as a matter of fact I had a video of two girls from T2 on an Ojek that I was showing to the mamasans in T2 to track down 2 girls I wanted to see and no one cared. That was the same day as the incident that happened in T5 but earlier in the day. And I have since been back to T2 7 times since the incident at T5 and it has been business as usual.