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Who cares? It was a historic success. Thanks, Joe and the Dems.
[QUOTE=Tiny12;3064647]And what was the biggest contributor to surging global demand after COVID? Biden's American Rescue Plan and a huge overhang of personal savings in the USA!
Please compare average national gasoline prices to average California prices over the same periods if you want us to take you seriously.[/QUOTE]A 2000% increase is what I estimated would be the Trump / MAGA Math figure, not mine.
Yep, Biden and the Dems' historic policy, legislative and srewardship recovery from the worldwide economic ravages of Trump's Pandemic kept the peak Rate of Inflation in the USA to an obviously affordable and tolerable momentary single-digit 9. 1% vs half the world's economies hitting double / triple-digits and for much longer. And they did it while recovering the millions of jobs Trump's typically horrific Repub economic and national security policies and stewardship wiped out and then went on in just 4 years to create millions more private-sector jobs than all three previous Repub presidents combined. That includes Trump, of course.
No other major national economy accomplished that historic combination of Trump's Pandemic recovery results. Hence, The Envy of the World Economy that Biden-Harris handed off to Trump, which Trump is currently shitting all over. Again. As predicted.
If I want an assessment for the best meeting place for kiddie-diddlers, I'll ask Larry Summers. Clearly, that's his expertise.
I don't give a shit about the average price of a gallon of regular gas in California. I would barely be talking about the price of gas or what the USA Stock market is doing at all if it weren't for the pea-brained Trump and his even smaller pea-brained MAGA Cult Followers insisting that both are the measure of presidential success and failure. It is delicious to me when their own pea-brained idiocy comes back to bite them in the ass. So I point it out.
I only give a shit that during and since Trump's Pandemic, Trump's first failed Tariffs and Trade War with China, Trump's second failed Tariffs and Trade War with everyone and Trump's unprovoked umptrenth Repub War of Choice in the Middle East my California rental property barely lost momentum in its decades' long steady increase while rent rolls in my area kept climbing. Which tells me everything I need to know about the jobs, wages and income conditions for my tenants in California regardless what the price of gas is there.
Oh look! The lion's share of gains in the USA Stock Market over the past 4 years as measured by the Dow and S&P 500 Index happened under Joe Biden with Trump"s contribution to it being those two deep plunges in it over the past 12 months, from which the market has been struggling to recover ever since the first one.
Oh well.
We tried.
The untold billions Trump has cost the world in this USA-Israel illegal war?
Speaking of MAGA math and billions of taxpayers money to an illegal and unwanted against Iran, the broader economic assessments suggest the total financial burden, including the global economic disruption, could range from $210 billion to over $1 trillion.
[B]$25bn or $1 trillion: How much has Iran war really cost the US?[/B] 30th April, 2026. [URL]https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2026/4/30/25bn-or-1-trillion-how-much-has-iran-war-really-cost-the-us [/URL].
So while Repubs are soft pedaling $25 bn, Dems and economists, believe that number to be a significant underestimate, and estimate it is more between [B]$630 bn[/B] and [B]$1 trillion,[/B] in damages to [I]the U.S.,[/I] let alone the rest of the world.
Trump booming economy and record stock market
[QUOTE=EihTooms;3064631]There you have it, Pinocchio Canada and Pinocchio Tiny.
It was all due to Trump's Pandemic and Putin's invasion of Ukraine.
And now it is all due to Trump's Repub Forever War in the Middle East.
BTW, in just the few hours since my previous post citing the increase in the average price of a gallon of regular gas in the USA thanks solely to Trump this time, it has increased again!
As of this writing, rounded up the the nearest penny, it is $4.48. Which is only $0.54 lower than it was at its peak under Biden when Trump's Pandemic and Putin's invasion of Ukraine drove it up to a momentary peak of $5. 02 in 2022.
In fact, at $4. 48 so far under Trump it is higher than it was at any time under Biden except for 2 months way back in 2022! And in those 2 months it was a maximum of only $0. 54 higher for few hours. See screenshots below:[/QUOTE]Gas prices higher by 1. 00 per gallon during the Iran conflict will cost the average person $30 to $50 more per month. The average person made an average of $3500 tax refund this year thanks to Trump tax cuts and everybody with a 401 K or retirement is making thousands monthly. Everyone I know is better off today than they were under the Biden failures. If you are retired you should be thanking Trump daily. The only people that aren't happy are the democrats who are being paid to protest because they forget a 401 K. Democrats are losers.
Stock Market highest ever
[QUOTE=EihTooms;3064662]A 2000% increase is what I estimated would be the Trump / MAGA Math figure, not mine.
Yep, Biden and the Dems' historic policy, legislative and srewardship recovery from the worldwide economic ravages of Trump's Pandemic kept the peak Rate of Inflation in the USA to an obviously affordable and tolerable momentary single-digit 9. 1% vs half the world's economies hitting double / triple-digits and for much longer. And they did it while recovering the millions of jobs Trump's typically horrific Repub economic and national security policies and stewardship wiped out and then went on in just 4 years to create millions more private-sector jobs than all three previous Repub presidents combined. That includes Trump, of course.
No other major national economy accomplished that historic combination of Trump's Pandemic recovery results. Hence, The Envy of the World Economy that Biden-Harris handed off to Trump, which Trump is currently shitting all over. Again. As predicted.[/QUOTE]Stock market highest ever under Trump and going much higher. Thousands of worthless woke policies by Biden are gone. USA economy is exploding after the Biden failures. You can keep being in fantasy land with Biden economy and continue to fabricate lies about Biden economy but Trump economy is exploding on every news station in North America. Pretty easy to see by smart people.
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Uh. More Trump / MAGA Math
[QUOTE=Canada;3064767]Gas prices higher by 1. 00 per gallon during the Iran conflict will cost the average person $30 to $50 more per month. The average person made an average of $3500 tax refund this year thanks to Trump tax cuts and everybody with a 401 K or retirement is making thousands monthly. Everyone I know is better off today than they were under the Biden failures. If you are retired you should be thanking Trump daily. The only people that aren't happy are the democrats who are being paid to protest because they forget a 401 K. Democrats are losers.[/QUOTE]Gas prices higher by "$1.00"? You were the one crowing about $2. 00 and $1. 99 per gallon gas just weeks before Trump's unprovoked umpteenth Repub War of Choice in the Middle East. The average price of a gallon of regular gas in the USA is now $4.54 rounded to the nearest penny. That's quite a "$1.00" you got there in Trump / MAGA Math.
[B]Average tax refund is 11.2% higher, latest IRS filing data shows.[/B]
[URL]https://www.cnbc.com/2026/04/17/average-tax-refund.html?__source=androidappshare[/URL]
But here's a shocker for you; the average tax return increased from 2023 to 2024 too! And without adding Trillions more to Trump's deficits! And without closing rural hospitals! And without producing less than a piddling 70,000 new private-sector jobs per month for the previous 15 months! And without jacking up prices for almost everything with across-the-board tariffs! And without increasing the rate of inflation!
[QUOTE][b]Average tax return 2024[/b]
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Based on IRS filing season statistics as of late March 2024, the average federal tax refund is approximately $3,050 to $3,138. This represents a slight increase compared to the same period in 2023. The IRS expects over 160 million individual returns, with many taxpayers receiving refunds due to overpayment via withholding.
IRS (.gov)
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Average Refund Amount (2024): $3,050 (as of March 29, 2024).
Direct Deposit Average: $3,124 (as of March 29, 2024).
Final Data: As of late 2024, the average refund settled around $3,138.
IRS (.gov)
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Key Factors for 2024 Refunds:
Higher Standard Deduction: The 2024 standard deduction was increased, reducing taxable income.
Inflation Adjustments: Tax brackets were adjusted to prevent "bracket creep," potentially increasing refunds for some taxpayers.
Refundable Credits: Millions of returns included the Child Tax Credit and Earned Income Tax Credit, which boost refund amounts.
IRS (.gov)
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Note: Final, fully processed 2024 data (for tax year 2023) generally shows a slight increase in average refund amounts over the previous year, with average direct deposit refunds often exceeding $3,100.
[/QUOTE]On top of which two of the lowest average tax return years over the past decade or so were the final merciful years of Trump's previous disastrous Trump's Pandemic presidency. See graph screenshot below.
Now I'm going to gift you with a little extra tool to include in your Trump / MAGA Math arsenal that California gas prices harpies try to apply to the concept of "average" prices for gas but it just doesn't have nearly the punch as when it is applied to tax returns because we're talking pennies vs hundreds of thousands, maybe millions of dollars.
That 2025 Big Beautiful Abomination Bill For Billionaires and Fuck Everybody Else that you love so much gave hundreds of thousands of dollars if not millions of dollars in tax breaks and refunds to the wealthiest people in the USA and the World. That was not the case for tax refunds in 2024 or over the previous decade as seen in the chart screenshot below. Those 2025 billionaire tax refunds are added into the $200 tax refunds for tips this year for however many nail salon technicians, busboys and day-laborers Trump has not chased out of the workforce, adding to the record high business bankruptcies due to their absence.
So when you combine one person's refund of $100 with a $100,000 refund for the billionaire down the street you get an "average" refund of $50,050!
Great for everybody all around, right?
That phenomenon would not have applied to quite that degree in 2024,2023, etc. The "averages" in those years really meant something much more meaningful to everyone than these "averages" of today.
Lolol. I'll just leave that to roll around in your Trump / MAGA Math calculator for a while.
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Trump's Classic Repub disastrous presidency. It cannot possibly be unintentional.
This is why Trump ran as a Repub. That Party's historic horrible agenda and results sync perfectly with his own:
[B]I Asked AI to Calculate How Much Damage Trump Has Done to the USA[/B]
[URL]https://youtu.be/Rek6C_43SAg?si=2PkGk-dZ_2RaLjvC[/URL]
That is a must-see 32 minute video that should be required viewing in every high-school in America, right before the students are old enough to register to vote, with a special preamble emphasis that Mr. Trump IS the icon of icon template for everything The Republican Party stands for, loves and admires.
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Add MAGA Myths to MAGA Math
[QUOTE=Canada;3064766]Yes Biden was to blame for all the trucking bankruptcy as you proved in your previous links. But I see you no longer post these links that prove Biden failures for the trucking industry.[/QUOTE]There were many business bankruptcies and failures in the wake of the global economic disaster of Trump's Pandemic, not just trucking companies. But there certainly wasn't anything about the historic Biden-Harris recovery from that total mess that would have caused any of those trucking companies to fail.
[B]Small trucking firms file wave of bankruptcies across U.S.
April 15, 2026[/B]
[URL]https://finance.yahoo.com/economy/articles/small-trucking-firms-file-wave-110000035.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAL3MyBR_rYrzTmh_f1UGFaVRI-cExPvIvcggnY2xdATx2cGUWicgKYhtvqTCoxtjyDyFoR351PVDIFKPkI4Vy0zg1GLHAnRspSly8lYJ4h-Jt-Ur6nzWNqIMNUakkIkKwZWLdoNL7H1T5ehHalQp5Dzm6SxwMKBaEvSqCX5GQcgc[/URL]
[QUOTE]A string of small trucking and logistics companies across the U.S. have filed for bankruptcy protection in recent weeks, underscoring continued financial pressure on smaller carriers as freight demand remains uneven and costs stay elevated.
The filings include Liberty Carriers Inc., NAS Logistics LLC, Golden Spirit Freight LLC, NV Freight Inc., Star One Transport LLC, and PSS Trucking Inc., spanning jurisdictions from California and Texas to Illinois and Florida.[/QUOTE][B]Freight bankruptcies mount in March as trucking, logistics firms file Chapter 11.
March 30, 2026[/B]
[URL]https://finance.yahoo.com/economy/articles/freight-bankruptcies-mount-march-trucking-120000643.html[/URL]
[QUOTE]Bankruptcies across the freight transportation and logistics sector continued to mount in March, with trucking companies, logistics providers, last-mile delivery firms and marine operators filing for Chapter 11 protection, continuing a trend that began in January and February as financial pressure across the supply chain persists.
A wide range of companies filed for bankruptcy protection, from small trucking fleets with only a handful of drivers to larger marine transportation operators and last-mile delivery contractors employing over 100 workers. Many of the companies said they intend to continue operating while restructuring debt under court supervision.[/QUOTE]The Bankruptcy King Trump has more than lived up to his personal history and reputation as a so-called president in this disastrous term as he did in his first disastrous term. Maybe even moreso this time.
Obviously you don't work and pay taxes
[QUOTE=EihTooms;3064791]Gas prices higher by "$1.00"? You were the one crowing about $2. 00 and $1. 99 per gallon gas just weeks before Trump's unprovoked umpteenth Repub War of Choice in the Middle East. The average price of a gallon of regular gas in the USA is now $4.54 rounded to the nearest penny. That's quite a "$1.00" you got there in Trump / MAGA Math.
[B]Average tax refund is 11.2% higher, latest IRS filing data shows.[/B]
[URL]https://www.cnbc.com/2026/04/17/average-tax-refund.html?__source=androidappshare[/URL]
But here's a shocker for you; the average tax return increased from 2023 to 2024 too! And without adding Trillions more to Trump's deficits! And without closing rural hospitals! And without producing less than a piddling 70,000 new private-sector jobs per month for the previous 15 months! And without jacking up prices for almost everything with across-the-board tariffs! And without increasing the rate of inflation!
On top of which two of the lowest average tax return years over the past decade or so were the final merciful years of Trump's previous disastrous Trump's Pandemic presidency. See graph screenshot below.
Now I'm going to gift you with a little extra tool to include in your Trump / MAGA Math arsenal that California gas prices harpies try to apply to the concept of "average" prices for gas but it just doesn't have nearly the punch as when it is applied to tax returns because we're talking pennies vs hundreds of thousands, maybe millions of dollars..[/QUOTE]Obviously you don't work and don't pay taxes or you would have saved more too. Obviously you never had a company and hired employees or you would know Trump policies help both big and small companies considerably more than the Biden years. You obviously are getting what you deserve in life now.
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The virus originated in China. But it was Trump's Pandemic.
[QUOTE=Canada;3064909]Every intelligent person knows the pandemic was started by China in a lab financed by WHO. Every intelligent person knows Trump fast tracked the vaccines to stop this pandemic and the drugs developed under Trump defeated the Pandemic. Biden and Fauci made everyone's life miserable with their mask mandates and closure of thousands of businesses that led to record bankruptcy but despite the Biden administration stupid mandates we all survived. Not sure why you continue to post lies on this issue. No one is dumb enough to believe them.
Now after Biden failures the USA economy is booming. Wages are up, employment is up, taxes are lower and inflation is finally under control. If you didn't make a lot of money.
On Trump policies these last 16 months you are one of the few who blew it.[/QUOTE]A simple Google Search will produce dozens of reports on how Trump's very own disastrous personal decisions, economic and national security decisions, laid the groundwork for converting a very likely manageable epidemic confined to one region of China into the Trump's Pandemic it became.
And therefore so will this forum be chock-full of reports on it.
Here is the short version of it:
Trump was more responsible than any other person on the planet for allowing an otherwise manageable epidemic confined to one region of China (until a vaccine could be invented and administered) to develop into the deadly, worldwide Pandemic it became, along with all of the global supply-chain collapses, massive jobs destruction, business, school and travel venue closures and the unavoidable skyrocketing inflation during the recovery that followed.
Here is Trump in a March 2020 interview describing the different outcome the world would have enjoyed if only someone in China had alerted us to the initial Covid cases two months earlier:
[QUOTE]"they should've let it be known it was a problem two months earlier. The world wouldn't have a problem. We could have stopped it easily. "[/QUOTE][URL]https://www.yahoo.com/news/bob-woodward-stunned-trump-told-091902598.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAL3MyBR_rYrzTmh_f1UGFaVRI-cExPvIvcggnY2xdATx2cGUWicgKYhtvqTCoxtjyDyFoR351PVDIFKPkI4Vy0zg1GLHAnRspSly8lYJ4h-Jt-Ur6nzWNqIMNUakkIkKwZWLdoNL7H1T5ehHalQp5Dzm6SxwMKBaEvSqCX5GQcgc[/URL]
And here is the only reason no responsible officials were in China and in those labs "two months earlier" to do the very thing everyone except Donald Trump knew should not be left to the Chinese to admit and alert anyone about:
[B]Trump says China "should have told us" about coronavirus. He removed the official meant to do that.
A US epidemiologist was embedded with the Chinese CDC. The Trump administration discontinued the position.[/B]
[URL]https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2020/3/23/21190713/coronavirus-trump-china-cdc-embed-quick[/URL]
[B]Exclusive: USA Slashed CDC staff inside China prior to coronavirus outbreak.[/B]
[URL]https://www.reuters.com/article/world/exclusive-us-slashed-cdc-staff-inside-china-prior-to-coronavirus-outbreak-idUSKBN21C3NE/[/URL]
Imagine if Biden, Clinton or Obama had pulled those monitors and safeguards out of China and those labs just months before the emergence of a deadly viral spread that those monitors and safeguards had been stationed there specifically to prevent and respond to ASAP. Fux News would still be counting every American death and every American business failure as a casualty to "Clinton's Pandemic. ".
But none of those Dems did that nor would any of them have done it.
Repub Trump did it.
And Trump has repeated this same pattern by tearing up the proven effective Iran Nuclear Deal that Obama and Kerry put in place and that Trump himself confirmed Iran was in compliance with in 2017. Twice. Right before he tore it up, pulled all the inspectors out of Iran and allowed Iran to do whatever it damn well pleased unmonitored over the past 9 years. He cannot stop himself from defunding and dismantling historically effective programs and deals made by Obama, Biden and any other much, much better president than he could ever be so the inevitable catastrophe will occur in its absence and he can then rush in and blunder, fumble, trip and fall into a much, much worse solution and convince dumb Repub hillbillies he "saved the day" from an Obama or Biden deal that was much better than anything Trump or anyone in his circle has ever or will ever come up with in their lives.
The conclusion is blatantly and inarguably obvious; if you wanted to avoid the Covid-19 Pandemic, avert the millions of deaths, millions of lost jobs, the school and business closures as well as the skyrocketing global inflation that followed, America should have elected Hillary Clinton for President in 2016.
MAGA Fuhrer fuels waves of Bankruptcies
[QUOTE=Canada;3064766]Yes Biden was to blame for all the trucking bankruptcy as you proved in your previous links. But I see you no longer post these links that prove Biden failures for the trucking industry.[/QUOTE]Therefore your according to your MAGA Math, it shouldn't be so hard for you to provide the links / information and prove it, now should it?
In the meantime, I'll refer you the the [B]massive trucking and/or company bankruptcies and harm caused by your MAGA Fuhrer,[/B] that EihTooms has just posted and documented here below: [URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?2467-American-Politics&p=3064819&viewfull=1#post3064819[/URL]
