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[QUOTE=Questner;1583645][URL]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DW-V_vb9wTc[/URL]
Are you in your f-ing mind to argue over 300 pesos? Majority of girls are on drugs and carry knives, razors etc.
The girl in the video is still working on the strip BTW. And that was acp 45. Are you going to confront them over the cost of a Band-Aid box?[/QUOTE]That girl is still working the strip! Man what was that about? Who is she? Stay away from that fool.
[QUOTE=Grandnash84;1583706]I was in sosua a couple weeks ago and meet some guys from the states. Their first time there. One of them asked me how to handle out of control chicas. He said something about agreeing tln overnight for $100. But when it was time to leave she started going pysco and started throwing shit in the room. Obivisouly the story I got don't really make any sense. Who the fuck pays $100 tln then the chicas asks for $50 more? Anyway he said he threw her the $50 and got her out. He asked what was the right thing to do since he said he felt played giving her the extra $50. I said you did the best thing possible. Give that punta the money and get her the fuck out. That $50 aint worth the trouble if the cops come etc. That was the best thing possible. Don't let $50 or any reasonable amount of money ruin your vacation. Just pay and move onto the next. On a side note, been going to sosua for 3 years 4 times a year and never once have I had a chica try to scam me or rob me for more money. I always agree on a price before I leave with her. Like other members say, its about how you treat the girl.[/QUOTE]No one ever talks about when it is on reasonable what do you do? When do you say no? Let's just say it out of your reach or what she's asking for is too expensive for you what do you do when you can't pay itI have never ran into this problem but it advice for somebody who may end up in that situation.
Things are getting politically hot in Sosua!
Vice Mayor withdraws from coalition.
The vice mayor of Sosúa, Mr. Wilfredo Olivenses (Willy El Chamo), announced to a local TV station that he had withdrawn from the coalition with the PRD.
The PRD (Partido Revolucionario Dominicano) is the ruling party in Sosúa. Willy said in an interview with Edgar Thomas Pelegríand in 'La Voz del Pueblo' program that he feels passed. Thanks to his support and the votes for him, Ilana Neumann was able to win the mayor election in 2010 in Sosúa. Willy said he had now returned to the ranks of his own party 'Partido Social Christian Reformist' (PRSC). Whether this decision is motivated by the closure of his bar the'Latin in Pedro Clisante, he did not explicitly express in this conversation.
[QUOTE=Grandnash84;1583706]I was in sosua a couple weeks ago and meet some guys from the states. Their first time there. One of them asked me how to handle out of control chicas. He said something about agreeing tln overnight for $100. But when it was time to leave she started going pysco and started throwing shit in the room. Obivisouly the story I got don't really make any sense. Who the fuck pays $100 tln then the chicas asks for $50 more? Anyway he said he threw her the $50 and got her out. He asked what was the right thing to do since he said he felt played giving her the extra $50. I said you did the best thing possible. Give that punta the money and get her the fuck out. That $50 aint worth the trouble if the cops come etc. That was the best thing possible. Don't let $50 or any reasonable amount of money ruin your vacation. Just pay and move onto the next. On a side note, been going to sosua for 3 years 4 times a year and never once have I had a chica try to scam me or rob me for more money. I always agree on a price before I leave with her. Like other members say, its about how you treat the girl.[/QUOTE]I never heard of that kind of money being demanded in my 20 or so visits. I get a lot of info on the puta "scene" from my GF who is well connected. Usually it's a marginal amount, 500 to 1500 pesos which the putas feel is no big deal to a rich (as they perceive it) gringo, and that in many cases they can get away with. They are not all stupid, and most have enough street smarts to quickly size up the gringo's tendencies, often better than he can read hers.
Sexuality is obviously a complicated subject and we are all different, as my GF likes to say. Some like to take charge, dominate, taking the initiative, undressing the chica, telling her what, where, when and how to do it. Others like to let the chica take the initiative, laying back and enjoying the experience. It's all good.
One thing is for sure, there are no hard and fast rules, one size doesn't fit all, and a newbie can do what I did when I first got here, peruse the board for the posts that most match your personal inclinations, and discard what you don't think fits you.
There's a wealth of good advice to be had here, it's probably the best source of information on Sosua.
Use it wisely, and you'll believe like me, that Sosua is a rare paradise, always have a great time, and can't wait to get back.
[QUOTE=Puntz79;1583701]While the choice is for that individual to make, that choice can have an affect in ways we might not realize. Suppose that resistance leads to a situation where an individual is harmed physically. It's definitely not unheard of, and again.[/QUOTE]You are correct somebody could have been physically harmed when that situation escalated, him or the chica. Each individual took a risk of something deadly possibly jumping off.
[QUOTE]When you're in a country where you're just a visitor, and especially a third world country with elements of corruption that exist in daily life. It can happen. If more people behave like that, it can lead to more locals believing that visitors are disrespecting their country. I mean. Twisting her wrists, throwing her on the bed and pinning her down, and telling her what she's going to get paid. Over that type of an amount, what good really comes out of that? One time I was sitting at one of the bars in Sosua where an expat who had been there for some time expressed concerns about how men visiting Sosua are starting to have the tendency of thinking they are ones in charge and keep forgetting that this isn't their country and how such behavior will eventually put others at risk because of the perceived perception and he had given some examples of incidents in town, things I cannot verify but have no reason to doubt. It was an interesting discussion. So while we are all responsible for our choices, and should recognize that there are consequences for those choices. That decision could impact the way others get treated.[/QUOTE]What you are saying is a matter of projecting. Projecting our assumptions of what we think others are thinking about us. And making assumptions of what possible outcomes may be.
I assume you saw me write this before, you can only think in one head. We don't know what locals are really thinking in every situation that occurs in their country. For all we know, they may already think we are disrespecting them. Someone here said something to the effect that he doesn't want to rub his wealth in their faces. Meaning he felt by dressing a certain way, spending his money a certain way, or carrying expensive items on his person he was rubbing his wealth in dominicans faces. Thats another example of projecting ones own thoughts and concerns and assigning it to how other people are supposedly thinking about you. On the other hand, I do believe enough dominicans or locals tolerate us. I believe our presence may spark feelings of envy and jealousy. Not us disrespecting them. We can do things in their country many can't do, or struggle to do. On the other hand, since they may not be able to get these things on their own, enough locals benefit from the finances and resources we bring to their country. So in that regard, that is what they may respect in regards to our presence. Which will trump the notion we are here disrespecting them.
Enough of these women will tell you how fucked up their own dominican men are. Some are lying and some are being truthful about their own men. So when an altercation between a foreigner escalates into grabbing wrists, and shoving on the bed after a previous night of passion, I think that is relatively minor than what many of these women are used to from their own dominican boyfriends or husbands knocking the shit out of them. Not paying for shit, abandoning them, and the whole machismo thing enough women speak of and detest. The scenario in question is far from that. So I wouldn't be worrying about a nation of dominicans thinking foreigners are disrespecting them in their country.
Besides, women voluntarily prostituting themselves, they arent exactly the cream of the crop in dominican society, and I doubt foreigners who solicit them started off on a high moral standard in the eyes of local dominicans or expats anyway. In other words, we were probably fucked in terms of our reputation just by what we do in their country. Another way to look at it. Maybe we are being too sensitive over what we think dominicans or expats think about us. In this country, there are cabanas all over the place. Which suggests to me, fucking like rabbits is very common in this country. And I'm sure there is bound to be a few disputes even between dominican couples that may lead to someone getting hurt. But would we be hearing talk about the reputation of a whole nation of dominicans going down the tubes because of some ripple effect from a few escalated incidents?
How about the thousands and thousands of incidents and hookups and WU novios where things went smoothly between a puta and a foreigner? Or the foreigners that have married or shacked up with dominican women in the DR? Does that also have a ripple effect on peoples perception? Are locals capable of deducing and distinguishing bad incidents with a foreigner and a puta does not represent the mindset and behavior of all foreigners? People in developed nations have people in it who are just as ignorant as in any third world country. You always will have ignorant folks making blanket catch all statements of a particular group.
I have also heard or talked to expats making ignorant statements about certain behavior they observed in guys on vacation, and immediately attributed to those guys being new yorkers.
Just look at the way the rumor mill works in Sosua. It may take a week or more to get one story straight about something that happened. Meanwhile people here and abroad have no problem spreading unsubstantiated information as if it were gospel only to find out a bunch of that shit was false or completely distorted.
How about the reputation of chicas who cheated, lied, and set mongers up to be arrested? Has that tarnished the rep of all putas just because a few were fucked up? From what I have seen many guys have moved on because of their concerns or simply felt they have outgrown Sosua or the DR. Meanwhile thousands of guys have willingly replaced them knowing full well what may have happened. You got guys here a few years under their belts had only minor problems with chicas. They have not assumed all chicas are fucked up because a few were. I sure haven't adopted that belief even though a couple of individuals on this board try desperately to assign that feeling to me.
So I wouldn't worry about incidents like what happened to Mr E being the ripple effect that destroys the reputation or paints a picture of most foreigners. That incident is what it is. An unfortunate incident. Ignorance is bound to emerge no matter what the circumstances may be.
As far as I'm concerned, guys like me are representing ourselves quite well, and staying within the boundaries of the law, and monger social custom. I have not had any issues with any locals giving cause to believe I represent a disrespectful group of individuals who also come to the DR. If everybody was that ignorant, there is no reason anybody would allow us in this country. To live here, to drive here. My landlord shouldn't have rented me an apartment. I believe ignorance is widespread and there just isn't much anybody can do about it collectively. People are going to think what they choose to think. But I wouldn't go around projecting my thoughts about how other people think, and stressing over it. I can only think in one head.
If a monger allows a situation to escalate to where the police are called. That is on him. But I wouldnt attribute corruption from officials as them doing it because some man is being disrespectful in their country. I would attribute their behavior to seeing an opportunity and trying to take advantage. Look at Mr E's recent car accident? A local nearby was whining about him not letting the police get involved because of corruption. The police did get involved, but it did not turn into Mr E getting bamboozled out of any money. Sure the situations are different. But my point is, he was still a foreigner and nothing out of the ordinary happened or nothing escalated just because the police got involved.
Sure a group of expats can get together and have a good convo about the subject. But that doesn't mean their conclusions and assumptions about how things are going to change is true. I have not seen one regulation or attempt to organize or control how mongers are supposed to handle a dispute with putas / chicas. And please share, what ripple effect has happened from Mr E's situation or the thousands like his that already occured? Surely we have enough evidence to show a specific pattern we can draw from? My point is if it hasnt happened yet, when will it happen? Change is going to come whether we like it or not. At one point guys talked about GFE was more a norm. Now it's about getting the money and bouncing being more common. We have to accept how things keep evolving even if you arent personally responsible, and not assume changes in the mongering scene is in response to locals supposedly feeling disrespected by foreigners. If one wants GFE he can still find it. Just don't expect to find it within a harder core environment like Sosua.
[QUOTE]I mean. With all due respect, but what is there to feel proud about the fact that you threw a woman and displayed your physical dominance and saving 300 pesos? 300 pesos? But you know that it could have been a bad situation, and the more people do this.The more resistance there will be on the other side, we are not in charge in a country that is not ours and history shows that such behavior will only have bad consequences.[/QUOTE]I didn't know that situation included Mr E being proud of the physical part of the altercation? I thought he was merely telling his side of what happened. Personally, I do not appreciate when people put their own spin on my state of mind and assign it to me. I got a few tastes of that in this forum. One recent, when I shared a story about a regular of mine who was late and also changed the agreed plan. What I said got twisted to mean something else. The way I read Mr E's account. The woman initiated the physical part by her own behavior. If I was in the same situation of trying to leave through a door and some chica got in my way, I might move her out of my way too. If she were to assault me, like he reported, I might grab her hands too.
As far as the money is concerned, it's a personal choice if a dude wants to pay or standoff. If we were talking 300 dollars instead of 300 hundred pesos, would you part with the money as quickly? I wouldn't. 300 pesos, I probably would have paid her, and chalked it up to my bad. I read Mr GoGo's response. And what he said is something to take into consideration. That chica stayed until 10 the next morning. It is reasonable that if a dude wanted to hit that again, for him to get it done before a chica may be ready to hit the road. But we werent there, and we don't know if he tried to hit it around 7 or 8 and she shrugged him off. Giving him the impression for him to wait until she woke up. That could also have happened. But in general, it should be the guys responsibility to express interest in getting his 2nd pop and doing it at the best opportunity, not at the 11th hour so to speak. Most of my TLN's are one pop, but that's been by choice. I have had a few where the chica initiated 2nd and even 3rd pops. In the morning, I tend to like willing partners moreso than somebody just doing duty, and aint into it.
[QUOTE]Hey, apparently she broke her agreement and she was not honest. But 1800 pesos was agreed on. I always try to negotiate the number of pops rather than assume something is the way it is just because it's the typical norm for TLN. If that was not agreed to or confirmed at least, who is really right in that situation? Why not just give that and let the situation be over with? In the end, she would get paid the figure that was mentioned and it's just a case of she didn't perform well and wasn't honest. But by just giving her what you feel she should get instead (an amount which was never mentioned). How is that right? Two wrongs don't make a right. We all face situations where we have good experiences and bad experiences. Hopefully more people have good than bad, but we should all have some common sense and recognize our boundaries and the consequences your decisions can have not only for yourself. But potentially for others as well. And once again, I hope everyone has a safe experience in the DR. This site has been incredibly useful to me. I have found Mr. E's posts on his experiences to be among the most detailed and helpful.[/QUOTE]Playing devils advocate again, take all risks and concerns about what locals think about us off the table, if she indeed broke her agreement what is wrong with her not getting paid the full amount? Why should a monger bear the expense everytime a chica is dishonest or not forthright? If I recall, Mr E did ask her how much does she expect to be paid. I didn't get the impression he just decided to give her less money. She wasnt willing to re negotiate, and left it up to him what to give.
As far as pops go, I wouldn't necessarily negotiate for pops, just get it straight that I want two pops. I would not leave anything up to a chica supposedly knowing the amount of pops come with a TLN. That should be discussed beforehand. Number of pops is not particularly a concern of mine, because I am usually content with one pop. I have paid my regulars about 2000 to 2200 for TLN. Whatever number of pops comes out of that, I'm cool with. If I wanted more, it would be reasonable to seek that before the chica needs to leave. Most of the chicas I know sleep like logs and have no interest in popping anything in the morning. Maybe it's because of the good job I did the night before. That could be a good thing. LOL.
[quote=puntz79;1583701] one time i was sitting at one of the bars in sosua where an expat who had been there for some time expressed concerns about how men visiting sosua are starting to have the tendency of thinking they are ones in charge and keep forgetting that this isn't their country and how such behavior will eventually put others at risk because of the perceived perception and he had given some examples of incidents in town, things i cannot verify but have no reason to doubt. [/quote]i think this sense of entitlement can only lead to problems.
remember the history of mr. e's sequence of misadventures.
1. he was in an auto accident. technically it probably was not his fault as he decided to execute his right to make a left turn from a standstill start in a two-lane highway and was hit by a following vehicle that tried to pass him. however, there is no point in exercising a right to turn if you don't give the following vehicle (which may have been speeding) enough time to stop, especially when you are the one most likely to get killed. better to make absolutely sure the road is clear before making a left turn from standing still and getting killed, even if you did have the right of way.
2. he refused to pay the itbis tax and service charge in a beachside restaurant in juan dolio and just threw down the money of the menu price and walked off. in spite of being an experienced world traveler, he did this because he was under the impression that the additional percentages were just an illegal gringo tax that he was not obliged to pay and this was his form of protest. it was not about the money, but about his sense of justice. however it is well documented that the dr has an 18% itbis tax and that the government has authorized restaurants to add a 10% service charge. (the traveler comes from a country where it is normal for restaurants to add a sales tax that is not included in the menu price and for diners to pay a tip or service charge of 15-20%, so he cannot be entirely unfamiliar with the concept.).
however when leaving town he passed a "huelga" or street protest and complains that these people are wasting everyone's time including his and their own, when actually they may well be protesting the same tax that he is protesting, albeit in their own chosen manner.
3. after these misadventures mr. e. engages a prostitute for an all night session for 1800 pesos under the mistaken impression that there is a standard implied contract that there will be sex at night and again in the morning included at that price point. however recent posts on this board suggest that 1800 pesos is at the lower end of the range for an overnight stay, and that repeat sex in the morning is not necessarily implied either unless specifically negotiated. mr. e. is a person who is more used to relationships with dominican "non-pros" and financially independent women --women who give him sex for no charge, which is a very different situation. however mr. e. assumes that he has a watertight contract and that he is entitled to renegotiate it in the morning as the second sexual encounter that he was expecting was not forthcoming and based on this assumption that he is in the right is willing to allow the situation to degenerate into what one might call a domestic violence situation where the outcome is unpredictable.
he tries to renegotiate by offering 1500 pesos, the woman makes a counter offer of a higher amount, but instead of meeting her in the middle and parting amicably, the whole process of negotiation breaks down, because he has no intention of finding a mutually agreeable compromise. again it is not about the money, but because of his keen sense of justice and his feelings of unfairness because he did not get the second pop he was expecting.
very likely she desperately needs the money to pay her bills or to meet the needs of her dependents. he, on the other hand, is only motivated by a keen desire for justice.
this is a dangerous situation because, as others have indicated, the woman may have a weapon, friends in the police, a gangster boyfriend, or just the capacity to speak evil of her customer around sosua, which is a very small town. when you are a foreigner in a place where many of the other people are related to each or have known each other from kindergarten, you can never be sure who knows who or what is being said behind the scenes.
4. we still have not heard the final outcome of this episode. who thinks the couple eventually kissed and made up and agreed to meet again the next night for more hanky-panky, and who thinks the gentleman left town the same day?
aren't we seeing a pattern of entitled behavior here?
[QUOTE=Wrx2005;1583868]
Most of my TLN's are one pop, but that's been by choice. I have had a few where the chica initiated 2nd and even 3rd pops. In the morning, I tend to like willing partners more so than somebody just doing duty, and ain't into it.
As far as pops go, I wouldn't necessarily negotiate for pops, just get it straight that I want two pops. I would not leave anything up to a chica supposedly knowing the amount of pops come with a TLN. That should be discussed beforehand. Number of pops is not particularly a concern of mine, because I am usually content with one pop. I have paid my regulars about 2000 to 2200 for TLN. Whatever number of pops comes out of that, I'm cool with. If I wanted more, it would be reasonable to seek that before the chica needs to leave. Most of the chicas I know sleep like logs and have no interest in popping anything in the morning. Maybe it's because of the good job I did the night before. That could be a good thing. LOL.[/QUOTE]Pop's on my last trip varied from 2 to 5 for a TLN with my DC girls. Seems like two Pop's is what most guys expect (Mr. E as an example) for a TLN where there has been no discussion of the number of Pops beforehand. For guys going with girls off the Strip for the first time it would be wise to clarify beforehand. As far as Chicas sleeping like logs I agree with that, perhaps it's the comfortable beds / blankets and air conditioning. As far as the Chicas having no interest in sex in the morning, well I've been lucky, my DC girls like it the morning after sleeping like logs.
[quote=frannie;1583897]i think this sense of entitlement can only lead to problems.
remember the history of mr. e's sequence of misadventures.
1. he was in an auto accident. technically it probably was not his fault as he decided to execute his right to make a left turn from a standstill start in a two-lane highway and was hit by a following vehicle that tried to pass him. however, there is no point in exercising a right to turn if you don't give the following vehicle (which may have been speeding) enough time to stop, especially when you are the one most likely to get killed. better to make absolutely sure the road is clear before making a left turn from standing still and getting killed, even if you did have the right of way.
2. he refused to pay the itbis tax and service charge in a beachside restaurant in juan dolio and just threw down the money of the menu price and walked off. in spite of being an experienced world traveler, he did this because he was under the impression that the additional percentages were just an illegal gringo tax that he was not obliged to pay and this was his form of protest. it was not about the money, but about his sense of justice. however it is well documented that the dr has an 18% itbis tax and that the government has authorized restaurants to add a 10% service charge. (the traveler comes from a country where it is normal for restaurants to add a sales tax that is not included in the menu price and for diners to pay a tip or service charge of 15-20%, so he cannot be entirely unfamiliar with the concept.).
however when leaving town he passed a "huelga" or street protest and complains that these people are wasting everyone's time including his and their own, when actually they may well be protesting the same tax that he is protesting, albeit in their own chosen manner.
3. after these misadventures mr. e. engages a prostitute for an all night session for 1800 pesos under the mistaken impression that there is a standard implied contract that there will be sex at night and again in the morning included at that price point. however recent posts on this board suggest that 1800 pesos is at the lower end of the range for an overnight stay, and that repeat sex in the morning is not necessarily implied either unless specifically negotiated. mr. e. is a person who is more used to relationships with dominican "non-pros" and financially independent women --women who give him sex for no charge, which is a very different situation. however mr. e. assumes that he has a watertight contract and that he is entitled to renegotiate it in the morning as the second sexual encounter that he was expecting was not forthcoming and based on this assumption that he is in the right is willing to allow the situation to degenerate into what one might call a domestic violence situation where the outcome is unpredictable.
he tries to renegotiate by offering 1500 pesos, the woman makes a counter offer of a higher amount, but instead of meeting her in the middle and parting amicably, the whole process of negotiation breaks down, because he has no intention of finding a mutually agreeable compromise. again it is not about the money, but because of his keen sense of justice and his feelings of unfairness because he did not get the second pop he was expecting.
very likely she desperately needs the money to pay her bills or to meet the needs of her dependents. he, on the other hand, is only motivated by a keen desire for justice.
this is a dangerous situation because, as others have indicated, the woman may have a weapon, friends in the police, a gangster boyfriend, or just the capacity to speak evil of her customer around sosua, which is a very small town. when you are a foreigner in a place where many of the other people are related to each or have known each other from kindergarten, you can never be sure who knows who or what is being said behind the scenes.
4. we still have not heard the final outcome of this episode. who thinks the couple eventually kissed and made up and agreed to meet again the next night for more hanky-panky, and who thinks the gentleman left town the same day?
aren't we seeing a pattern of entitled behavior here?[/quote]can't disagree with what you say for the most part, but i also know that everybody is different.
they have a different personality, different financial situation, different experience - one week newbie vs frequent visitor vs long time resident. they also have different physical attributes like age (big with me) youth, health and strength, extrovert or introvert personality, optimist or pessimist.
they also are single or married, and bring different baggage, bad marriages, frigid wives, even racial prejudices, you name it.
so they all react in different ways to what happens to them.
i say live and let live, but when i'm down there, i avoid the guys that biach and complain about everything like the plague.
we all have our own way to rock, so rock on!
[QUOTE=BoredInIN;1583612]I am getting ready to start my second night in Sosua for the trip. I just thought I would give a brief update. It is true the latins is closed, it hasn't seemed to really affect the quantity or quality. I have noticed an increased police presence. I am not sure what they are looking for but it seems to have everybody on their best behavior, like mom and dad are watching. I do like that they are keeping the little begger kids away from the stretch and there is lots of tables and seating where the motos used to sit and wait. The current trend seems to be rumbas then head to Classico, damn Classico is over priced, 100 pesos to get in and 150 for a small presidente. I do miss the dancing and atmosphere of latins. On the positive there are plenty of beautiful ladies out. I have been happy with my 2 so far and hope to keep it that way. On a side hotel note, I booked very last minute and blindly picked hotel Europa. It's been pretty good, very good price, clean room, great atmosphere hotel bar, the wifi sucks in room but okay at the bar.[/QUOTE]Personally, I'm glad Classico's has returned. It's been closed for 1 1/2 yrs. You will find a better class of Chica and the atmosphere is more of a club than the'LATINS by far. Can't wait to get back to the old Sosua. Peace.
Maybe I haven't been visiting Sosua long enough, but I have never ventured into Classico's since it was never open during the times I have visited (since August 2013). But is there a reason why Classico's and the'Latins, and Rumba could not all be open? From my understanding, the'Latins closed and Classico's reopened. Is that typical in Sosua?
I am eager to get back in the next few weeks, look forward to the changes and comparing them to my previous experiences.
[QUOTE=Puntz79;1584007]But is there a reason why Classico's and the'Latins, and Rumba could not all be open? From my understanding, the'Latins closed and Classico's reopened. Is that typical in Sosua?
[/QUOTE]Always expect the unexpected when it comes to Sosua.
I liked the'Latin when it first opened because the club was wide open; in an open air way. I did not like the uneven floors or the so called dance floor.
Sosua changes like the wind; just go with the flow.
[quote=frannie;1583897]i think this sense of entitlement can only lead to problems.
remember the history of mr. e's sequence of misadventures.
he tries to renegotiate by offering 1500 pesos, the woman makes a counter offer of a higher amount, but instead of meeting her in the middle and parting amicably, the whole process of negotiation breaks down, because he has no intention of finding a mutually agreeable compromise. again it is not about the money, but because of his keen sense of justice and his feelings of unfairness because he did not get the second pop he was expecting.
very likely she desperately needs the money to pay her bills or to meet the needs of her dependents. he, on the other hand, is only motivated by a keen desire for justice.
aren't we seeing a pattern of entitled behavior here?[/quote]if by entitled you mean not sitting idly by and smiling as people are ripping me off then you are correct. as far as not allowing people to rip me off leading to problems, well let's just say that after over 100 countries of doing things the way that i do them i have had no real problems. i'm not recommending anyone to go out and try to copy me. like oakie and wrx said we all have different backgrounds, personalities and skill sets and should know our own strengths and weaknesses and be able to detect when things are getting a little too hot in the kitchen for us. i have yet to feel that type of heat.
i am not one to sit by and say that is fine and just pay up when someone tries to wrong me. just like when i was in the dregs of mumbai, india at a place called congress house. you go into the front room of an apartment in the slums and somebody turns on some bright ass lights and rings a buzzer for the girls to come out. [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ebciu6rcku[/url] (you can see at the 12 minute mark in the video how it works.) you choose your girl and pay the 800 rupees to the pimp. then you go into a bedroom and wait for your girl. at 3 different apartments those mfs tried to pull a bait and switch. well that girl is no longer available. this girl will service you. no mf. i did not ask for that girl. give me my money back. (of course to you it was only $13, so you would have not only let them keep it, but added $5 to it and left with your dick in your hand.) then the pimps would say no problem, no problem. i said yes there is a fucking problem. if i'm not fucking the girl i chose then give me my money back and i will go somewhere else.
see the mutually agreeable compromise was done beforehand. if the other party comes later and wants to change the deal where they are doing or giving less while expecting me to pay the same or more, then that is unacceptable and there is no way on this green earth that i will agree to it; i don't care where i am. i had never been to india before. i don't speak hindi or whatever other language they might have been speaking in that place. and i was deep in the hood and had no idea where the fuck i was.
if the girl in sosua was that desperate to pay her bills or meet the needs of her dependents, then it seems like she would have taken the additional 20 or so minutes to finish the job and earn the pay that she agreed to. i didn't see anyone in dr giving anything away to me while i was there, and i'm definitely not giving anything away. maybe money is not as easy to come by for me as it is for you. mine is earned dollar by dollar and hour by hour so i refuse to get taken advantage of. what it looks like you are saying is that we all should just give in to people trying to cheat us. well that might work well for someone who does not know any better, but like i said before i have never been a mark and do not intend to start being one today.
[quote=frannie;1583897]we still have not heard the final outcome of this episode. who thinks the couple eventually kissed and made up and agreed to meet again the next night for more hanky-panky, and who thinks the gentleman left town the same day?[/quote]lol. that all happened sunday morning. i do recall already writing a report that said i was at wrx's crib and i ate pizza at terra linda on sunday night. i have nobody to run or hide from. in case you missed it: [url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?2227-sosua-reports&p=1581905&viewfull=1#post1581905[/url]
[QUOTE=Wrx2005;1583678]Playing devils advocate. Is it about the principle or is it about the amount? Suppose the issue here was over 300 us dollars? Would the majority of girls on drugs and carrying knives, razors stop you from arguing with said chica? Or would you pay the money to avoid being sliced? Besides what does the majority of girls fitting that description have to do with the one in front of you? Whats important is, if the girl in front of you is carrying, not what the majority of girls are carrying. If you are reasonably certain the girl in front of you does not have something to cut you with, would you pay the 300 US just to avoid an argument?[/QUOTE]No principles at all. Only money. When PN (National Police) will show up, they will ask to pay her RD $2,500 or to pay them the same amount to get rid of her. If you persist and refuse they will take you to the precinct and lock you up. If it's Friday night, you may spend there until Monday or be transferred to Puerto Plata. Now, the clock has been set up. She may complain of abuse. Recently the laws on abuse have been changed for more jail terms and fines. Then your lawyer will appear and demand money. Of couse, there is even scarier scenario where you kick her out or PN does that and then her gloomy chulo starts looking for you. Intermediary shit cost guys in the past about $3 K.
There are some words of advice how to handle it. Ask security guard to take her I'd and check her in and write down the data on the I'd. In case of a dispute ask the security to lead her out of premises. Hand her a reasonable not extortionist amount with the security watchman as a witness, then joke to ease the situation, escort her back to the strip and come back with a new girl. If it happens in the morning and night watchman has already left ask for assistance from hotel management or anyone in the condo.
[quote=mrenternational;1584082]if by entitled you mean not sitting idly by and smiling as people are ripping me off then you are correct. as far as not allowing people to rip me off leading to problems, well let's just say that after over 100 countries of doing things the way that i do them i have had no real problems. i'm not recommending anyone to go out and try to copy me. like oakie and wrx said we all have different backgrounds, personalities and skill sets and should know our own strengths and weaknesses and be able to detect when things are getting a little too hot in the kitchen for us. i have yet to feel that type of heat.
i am not one to sit by and say that is fine and just pay up when someone tries to wrong me. just like when i was in the dregs of mumbai, india at a place called congress house. you go into the front room of an apartment in the slums and somebody turns on some bright ass lights and rings a buzzer for the girls to come out. [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ebciu6rcku[/url] (you can see at the 12 minute mark in the video how it works.) you choose your girl and pay the 800 rupees to the pimp. then you go into a bedroom and wait for your girl. at 3 different apartments those mfs tried to pull a bait and switch. well that girl is no longer available. this girl will service you. no mf. i did not ask for that girl. give me my money back. (of course to you it was only $13, so you would have not only let them keep it, but added $5 to it and left with your dick in your hand.) then the pimps would say no problem, no problem. i said yes there is a fucking problem. if i'm not fucking the girl i chose then give me my money back and i will go somewhere else.
see the mutually agreeable compromise was done beforehand. if the other party comes later and wants to change the deal where they are doing or giving less while expecting me to pay the same or more, then that is unacceptable and there is no way on this green earth that i will agree to it; i don't care where i am. i had never been to india before. i don't speak hindi or whatever other language they might have been speaking in that place. and i was deep in the hood and had no idea where the fuck i was.
if the girl in sosua was that desperate to pay her bills or meet the needs of her dependents, then it seems like she would have taken the additional 20 or so minutes to finish the job and earn the pay that she agreed to. i didn't see anyone in dr giving anything away to me while i was there, and i'm definitely not giving anything away. maybe money is not as easy to come by for me as it is for you. mine is earned dollar by dollar and hour by hour so i refuse to get taken advantage of. what it looks like you are saying is that we all should just give in to people trying to cheat us. well that might work well for someone who does not know any better, but like i said before i have never been a mark and do not intend to start being one today.
lol. that all happened sunday morning. i do recall already writing a report that said i was at wrx's crib and i ate pizza at terra linda on sunday night. i have nobody to run or hide from. in case you missed it: [url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?2227-sosua-reports&p=1581905&viewfull=1#post1581905[/url][/quote]no one is saying you should be a mark. and no one is saying that you should simply just pay and leave. what you're describing for your situation in india, is different than your situation in dr. in dr, you agreed on a price with a girl. you had sex with the girl. the girl did not want to have sex in the morning when you did, and you simply decided to pay what you felt was right. she resisted on the money given to her. from there, there was a physical altercation, one thing lead to another and there you go. your situation in india involved picking a girl that you wanted for sex, you went to the room. a different girl came in, and you decided not to pay. did you have sex with the girl that came in? no. so it's not even the same situation. most people would ask for their money back. and indian society behaves differently than dominican society. thankfully, you were able to get your money back and the situation is over. there is absolutely entitlement in your experience in dr. based off the language you used. how can most people not think that? now, that's fine if that's your intention. as i said before your posts and experiences are always helpful. so even if myself, or another person believes that you feel you're entitled. it's just our opinion but that doesn't make the post any less helpful. i'm sure some people found it to be a good read. but again, point being. it's not your country man. you don't show much respect for anything. i don't know you, you don't know me. that's fine. but don't take these things for granted, and thinking you'll be getting your way every single time. if a service is not delivered from the start. it's much easier to dispute and get an investment back. but if you agreed on a price. you had sex with the girl, and decided to pay her what you felt just because she did not want to have sex the next morning when you did. i'm failing to see how you're right. others can see differently. but this is mongering. there are no written contracts, and you can only go by what the woman says and supposedly agrees to. you get into a gray area when there is no agreement on the number of pops. "ok i will pay you 1800 pesos and i want to have sex tonight, and tomorrow morning when we wake up. so two times. if we don't have sex more than once, then i'm not paying the 1800, it will be less. " - if that's the situation that happened, then that's different. but based off what you wrote, that's not what happened. it's great you didn't pay the price you should have paid. and even better that nothing bad happened to you in the end, and you're safe. however, in my opinion and perhaps others. your recent posts do describe a general lack of respect, cockiness, and a elitist attitude towards locals of a country which you are simply a visitor. you never know when that attitude backfires. and backfires in a way which you least expect. you don't need to feel the heat, it can simply happen heat or no heat.
i can tell you that in india, you're especially a bit lucky. the slums of mumbai especially are incredibly dangerous when you are easily identifiable as a foreigner. does not matter if you are taller than them, appear stronger than them, might even be smarter than them. that part of the world my friend, is the last place you want to show an attitude of the kind you write about and have no problem expressing. "no problem, no problem" means acknowledging what you are saying. why you need to follow it up with "yes there is a fucking problem" i don't know, but again. it's your attitude of entitlement, elitism, and general lack of respect. that's how it can be perceived. i will add some more details. i'm a naturalized american citizen. i've lived in the united states for a vast majority of my life. when i read what you say with your most recent experiences. all i see is disrespect and entitlement.
again, glad you're safe. and may it always remain that way.
No one likes being ripped off but why fight so hard for $10. I would have given up the 300 pesos just to get her out of my life. You put your hands on her "assault". Police could have got involved night mare. You have to chose your battles. Last thing we need on our vacations is physical confrontations with our chicas.
Another subject, I am thrilled that Clasicos is back in actions. It was of my favorites spots and I missed it dearly. The women in the place are more attractive then the DLatin crowd.