General Reports

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;2577672]Good info in general, but this is just prejudice and hearsay. I've been with literally hundreds of streetwalkers from Beach Road, and never had a single thing missing or anything else untoward happening. [/QUOTE]Besides that, you do not have to take them to your room. You can go to a short time room or love motel as well. Never a problem with a Thai BR chick. Took a Western Asian one once, and she thought I was about to pay her first though. Out the door in the rain she went.

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;2577672] I've been with literally hundreds of streetwalkers from Beach Road, and never had a single thing missing or anything else untoward happening. [/QUOTE]I agree, I never had safety issue with street walkers on beach road. The worst problem I had were some bad and rushed rooms.

My experience with crime in Thailand for what it's worth.

1) I was pickpocketed by a ladyboy. I was out walking about 4 am and a ladyboy tried to get me to take her. I said no, she got all handy grabbing at me, not in a threatening way but uncomfortable if you don't want it. I finally got away and thirty minutes later noticed my pocket undone and about 900 thb missing.

2) A girl I took to my hotel room from a beer bar took my sandals. She said her shoes didn't work anymore or some such BS. And she had to have mine to leave. And argued to the point I said ok. I went back to her bar about 15 minutes after she left and got them back. I think she just wanted me to need to see her again so took them as a reason.

3) I've been way too drunk in the middle of night and needed bar girls to find me a taxi. They're always sweet and always help. So I've had more help then harm when drunk and stupid in Thailand.

[QUOTE=ChristianG;2577686]I agree, I never had safety issue with street walkers on beach road. The worst problem I had were some bad and rushed rooms.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Tvataham274;2577658]How does one arrange a taxi on the way back to the airport? I assume you just flag one down at the airport to go to the hotel, but going back I imagine would be harder to get a taxi that is local to go all the way to the airport.[/QUOTE]There are quite a few companies that provide this service. I used Cherry's Taxi and it was 1000 thb from my hotel in Pattaya to BKK.

Never had any issues with crime in Thailand. Never had a fabled runner. Had more problem with theft at 5 star hotels in Vegas and Montreal than in Thailand hotels. Had a Farang who wanted to fight me in a Soi 6 bar because I was hogging the girl he wanted to take. I sent the girl to him because I wanted her to make money. To no one's surprise she refused to go with him. A couple of Pattaya taxi fare disputes after the taxi reaches the agreed price and destination. A couple of incidents with bars overcharging me for drinks adding lady drinks of girls I don't even know. Always check your bill especially if you run up big bills! Been accosted by tourist police twice by gogo bars I am not a regular at accusing me for not paying for a drink. Nothing came of it of course with the tourist police on the tourist's side.

I don't walk around Pattaya in a drunken stupor. That is just asking for trouble.

[QUOTE=Tvataham274;2577658]For the cell phone, they only want to switch the sim themselves, right? I would obviously want to keep my main sim with me. I get to keep it, correct?

How does one arrange a taxi on the way back to the airport? I assume you just flag one down at the airport to go to the hotel, but going back I imagine would be harder to get a taxi that is local to go all the way to the airport.

And as an aside, how long until I can post without moderator approval?[/QUOTE]Of course you keep your old SIM card.

Lots of taxi services you call to pre-book a taxi. They are very reliable and pick you up at a designated time. Also a much nicer car than a regular taxi. Should be 800 to 1000 baht to the airport.

You get approval from the mods after you buy them some sticky rice and mango and take them to Windmill, offering to buy some lady drinks.

All great reports. I've read some of the Phuket reports going back a couple of pages, and they are well written and in depth. So I'm fairly sure what to expect when I get there.

How do you guys do laundry? Do hotels have coin run machines and whatnot?

Do you think I would be fine staying something like 7-12 days with a single carry on? Think I was able to fit three changes of clothing in the bag the last time I traveled.

[QUOTE=Tvataham274;2578150]All great reports. I've read some of the Phuket reports going back a couple of pages, and they are well written and in depth. So I'm fairly sure what to expect when I get there.

How do you guys do laundry? Do hotels have coin run machines and whatnot?

Do you think I would be fine staying something like 7-12 days with a single carry on? Think I was able to fit three changes of clothing in the bag the last time I traveled.[/QUOTE]Laundry: In Pattaya very cheap. There are laundries on seemingly every Soi and they are dirt cheap. Many hotels do laundry at a good price as well. In BKK, I google to find a laundry near my hotel.

If my hotel charges too much for laundry. Laundries are operated by employees who collect your clothes, then wash and dry. You pick clothes up the next day. No need to deal with machines or coins yourself.

Single carryon should work fine for 7-12 days. You can always buy t-shirts cheaply all over Thailand if you're not a big guy. I wear t-shirts or polo shirts every day but I only wear dryfit or moisture wicking shirts due to the heat.

BTW I've been on this website for years. I goofed up once and have been on moderation ever since. Behave yourself and you'll eventually avoid having posts moderated. And don't be shy to fire away with questions. Most of us are eager to help.

[B]Curfew in Greater Bangkok from Monday.
Mall closures and other curbs to last 2 weeks, same rules apply in southern border provinces[/B]
July 9, 2021.
[URL]https://www.bangkokpost.com/thailand/general/2146271/curfew-in-greater-bangkok-from-monday[/URL]

[QUOTE]Strict measures, including a curfew, will be imposed in Bangkok and five adjacent provinces for two weeks starting from Monday as the government attempts to curb the soaring number of new Covid-19 infections.

The same 9pm-4am curfew will also be imposed in the four southernmost provinces of Narathiwat, Pattani, Songkhla and Yala.

The tightened measures affect Greater Bangkok, which encompasses the capital and the five neighboring provinces of Nonthaburi, Pathum Thani, Nakhon Pathom, Samut Prakan and Samut Sakhon.

The announcement was made by the Centre for Covid-19 Situation Administration (CCSA) on Friday afternoon.

Measures to be imposed in Greater Bangkok include the closure of department store malls except for businesses such as supermarkets, which will be allowed to operate until 8pm.

Other premises allowed to open until 8pm in the malls are banks, chemists, shops selling communication devices and vaccination centers.

Other measures in Greater Bangkok are:

All eateries to close at 8pm.
Work for home encouraged for all businesses.
Strict enforcement of social distancing measures.
No public transport services from 9pm to 3am.
Closure of public parks at 9pm.
Closure of all infection-risk businesses such as salons, spas and traditional massage parlours.
No gatherings of more than five people, except for religious functions.
Convenience stores and night markets closed from 8pm to 4am.

CCSA assistant spokeswoman Apisamai Srirungson stressed the lockdown measures focus on Greater Bangkok. However, checkpoints would be set up from Saturday in all provinces to discourage people's movements, she said.

Greater Bangkok is the center of the third virus surge that began in early April, triggered by the arrival of the Delta strain first found in India. New cases have also soared in the four southern provinces, but mostly the Beta variant first detected in South Africa.

Health officials said the Delta variant would soon dominate in Thailand.

The measures were announced as new transmissions continued to rise and with no let up in fatalities, even though all workers' camps have been closed and dining-in banned at eateries since Monday.

Thailand logged a record high of 75 fatalities on Wednesday and the second highest number of new infections, 9,276, on Thursday. The highest number of daily infections was 9,635 on May 17. Another 72 deaths were recorded on Friday.

There is also a serious bed shortage as more patients stay longer in hospitals and the rate of discharges slows. More than 700 people are on ventilators.

Prime Minister Prayut Chan-o-cha, who chaired the CCSA meeting on Friday, reportedly directed authorities to keep new infections down during the semi-lockdown period and said all measures to fight the outbreak would be adjusted to better cope with the rapid virus spread.

The prime minister also decided to take a three-month pay cut to save state budget funds for the fight against the pandemic. Other cabinet ministers then followed.

Gen Prayut receives 125,590 baht a month, from a salary of 75,900 baht and position allowance of 50,000 baht. He does not receive a salary as the defence minister. A cabinet member is allowed to receive a salary from only one position, the highest-paid one.

Limiting the lockdown to selected provinces was favored by business leaders to minimize the economic damage.[/QUOTE]

Over the last 5 days I've had 3 girls request money from me. Over the previous 10 months I had zero requests. Two girls from Nana Plaza and one unrelated to mongering. All live in BKK.

Very sad. Scary to many. Has something changed suddenly or is this the grind of COVID?

[QUOTE=HorseTrader;2578666]Over the last 5 days I've had 3 girls request money from me. Over the previous 10 months I had zero requests. Two girls from Nana Plaza and one unrelated to mongering. All live in BKK.

Very sad. Scary to many. Has something changed suddenly or is this the grind of COVID?[/QUOTE]P.S. I commend you for not calling them your Girlfriends.

[QUOTE=HorseTrader;2578666]Over the last 5 days I've had 3 girls request money from me. Over the previous 10 months I had zero requests. Two girls from Nana Plaza and one unrelated to mongering. All live in BKK.

Very sad. Scary to many. Has something changed suddenly or is this the grind of COVID?[/QUOTE]No Bkk girls asked you for money over the past 10 months and now three have done so over the past 5 days?

Hmm. Then I wonder if it is more than a coincidence that I decided to cut off 2-3 previous long time favorites and repeats of mine about 5 days ago due to overuse and boredom with them? Hehe.

It was always a small world. But for doable or better girls in Bkk, it has never been smaller 😉

[QUOTE=BionicMan;2577287]Sinovac is 60/65% efficient, Chinese authorities have admitted. "Western" vaccines are in between 85 and 95% depending o vaccine, individual, number of doses etc.[/QUOTE]Yes Sinovac lowers symptomatic contamination by 67% and it lowers by 80+% hospitalisation or death.

So that's far from being the same as not being vaccined unlike what was claimed by the other poster. And for the people who can't get access to mRNA vaccines (Pfizer or Moderna) or are worried about their unkown long term effects (I don't but some people do), it provides a pretty decent alternative and is way better than not being vaccined. If you can get a shot from mRNA vaccines the protection will be even stronger for sure.

[QUOTE=HorseTrader;2578666]Over the last 5 days I've had 3 girls request money from me. Over the previous 10 months I had zero requests. Two girls from Nana Plaza and one unrelated to mongering. All live in BKK.

Very sad. Scary to many. Has something changed suddenly or is this the grind of COVID?[/QUOTE]Coming up there might well be some more asking for help. A number of girls who recently came back to Bangkok when foot only massage (wink wink) was allowed unless they get out of town today will not be able to get back home for the next two weeks. Unless they have some savings or an understanding landlord or know the back roads out of Bangkok with no government support they will definitely be feeling the pinch and will need help more especially if the shutdown is extended pass the 26th. As you surmise its shit sad with no end in sight.

[QUOTE=Sinofaguo;2578878]Yes Sinovac lowers symptomatic contamination by 67% and it lowers by 80+% hospitalisation or death.

So that's far from being the same as not being vaccined unlike what was claimed by the other poster. And for the people who can't get access to mRNA vaccines (Pfizer or Moderna) or are worried about their unkown long term effects (I don't but some people do), it provides a pretty decent alternative and is way better than not being vaccined. If you can get a shot from mRNA vaccines the protection will be even stronger for sure.[/QUOTE][URL]https://thethaiger.com/?p=411044[/URL]

I agree with you that it's better than nothing but ALMOST like not being vaccinated. LOL.

[QUOTE=HoustonPlayer;2578948][URL]https://thethaiger.com/?p=411044[/URL]

I agree with you that it's better than nothing but ALMOST like not being vaccinated. LOL.[/QUOTE]Far from it. The article says out of 677,000 medical workers who got vaccined, 618 became positive, 1 in critical conditions, 1 dead.

Considering how exposed medical personel can be to this illness it surelly sounds much better than not being vaccinated.

And considering they don't have enough available mRNA doses, it's not like they have any other choice.

[QUOTE=Sinofaguo;2578980]Far from it. The article says out of 677,000 medical workers who got vaccined, 618 became positive, 1 in critical conditions, 1 dead.

Considering how exposed medical personel can be to this illness it surelly sounds much better than not being vaccinated.

And considering they don't have enough available mRNA doses, it's not like they have any other choice.[/QUOTE]It's the 10th of July and still some are clinging to the magic vaccine wand. Spoiler alert, Israel will be in full lockdown by Sept. The writing is on the wall. As for Thailand, 2100 deaths for a pop of 68 M. Full lockdown is indeed unavoidable. We have entered the final stage of this masquerade and it will get real nasty. Third shots and 4th shots are under way. Will you let double shot foreigners enter your country when Epsilon Beta Gamme new variant arise in Mongolia? No, way too risky. In order to remain in a decent mental state, forget about all this sanitary story telling. It's an attrition war in order to keep you at home.

[QUOTE=Spiroulegroom;2578984]It's the 10th of July and still some are clinging to the magic vaccine wand. Spoiler alert, Israel will be in full lockdown by Sept. The writing is on the wall. As for Thailand, 2100 deaths for a pop of 68 M. Full lockdown is indeed unavoidable. We have entered the final stage of this masquerade and it will get real nasty. Third shots and 4th shots are under way. Will you let double shot foreigners enter your country when Epsilon Beta Gamme new variant arise in Mongolia? No, way too risky. In order to remain in a decent mental state, forget about all this sanitary story telling. It's an attrition war in order to keep you at home.[/QUOTE]Israel has a tiny number of cases, due to mass vaccination and the numbers will be smaller in September due to even more vaccination.

But Thailand is a mess. Apart from the low vaccination rate, there are fears that Sinovac is helpless against the Delta variant.

So if I'm looking at this correctly, if I was doing say, a 15 day stay, all that I would need would be a certification of entry and 100 k covid insurance.

For the COE you need flight itinerary and reservations for all of the hotels that you will be staying at.

Also currently you need documentation on the approved hotels that you will be staying at for quarantine. (I expect this will change if / when they remove the 14 day quarantine requirement.)

Am I correct that this is the site to apply for a COE.

[URL]https://coethailand.mfa.go.th/regis/step?language=en[/URL]

And this is the site to apply for covid insurance?

[URL]https://direct.axa.co.th/TA-Inbound/CoverageOptionPlan[/URL]

Over 10,000 new cases reported today.

Soon there will be less posts about how to enter Thailand, and more about how to leave.

New restrictions coming, per the CCSA.

"The government has signed a supply agreement for 20 million doses of the Pfizer Covid-19 vaccine, three months after it said it would buy them.

The delivery is expected in the fourth quarter of this year."

[URL]https://www.bangkokpost.com/thailand/general/2151939/contract-to-buy-20m-doses-of-pfizer-vaccine-signed[/URL]

So unless you are willing to jump through hoops and play sand box derby, the 1st quarter of 2022 is the soonest you can expect the Thai Government to ease up and allow things to come back on line and by that I mean when we will be able to fly into BKK, go anywhere we want in country, when we want, with no restrictions, no rules, no quarantines, no lockdowns, no curfews and hopefully with a significant number of bars, clubs, lounges, massage parlors, and Go Go's open and ready (starving) for business.

I have my hotel reservations already booked for March / April / May. These reservations are all pay later, no penalty cancellations up until the day before arrival, and are all at a significant 50% or more discount from pre-covid prices which is why I locked them in. But I will hold off on flight reservations until early January 2022 when I decide for real if I am actually going to Thailand in spring 2022.

BTW if I do go, I will permanently blackball and never barfine any Go Go girl that asks me for 3000 bhat for ST. 555. This is the big reset. Let's not fuck it up boys.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2582493]I will permanently blackball and never barfine any Go Go girl that asks me for 3000 bhat for ST. 555. This is the big reset. Let's not fuck it up boys.[/QUOTE]I share your attitude, but spoiler alert, we will fuck it up.

The future of our hobby is grim. Demand will be there, a steady stream of horny punters with all the pent up sperm is inevitable. On the supply side, numbers and quality of providers was already in serious decline before Covid, and will go down even further given how anyone who could find a way out of the profession during the crisis already did. Increase awareness and paranoia about new health risks will seriously diminish the attractiveness of entering the business, thin out the already dwindling girls, make service worse (good luck finding DFD), and give the authorities one more reason to crack down.

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;2582544]I share your attitude, but spoiler alert, we will fuck it up.

The future of our hobby is grim. Demand will be there, a steady stream of horny punters with all the pent up sperm is inevitable. On the supply side, numbers and quality of providers was already in serious decline before Covid, and will go down even further given how anyone who could find a way out of the profession during the crisis already did. Increase awareness and paranoia about new health risks will seriously diminish the attractiveness of entering the business, thin out the already dwindling girls, make service worse (good luck finding DFD), and give the authorities one more reason to crack down.[/QUOTE]Croc, I am more optimistic than you and at least for the next couple of years I see an opportunity.

Covid has ravaged the economies of Thailand, Cambodia, Burma, and the PI. I think there will be plenty of young girls looking to enter the market for the 1st time to make some serious foreign exchange plus many experienced girls will return.

Demand will always be there, but it remains to be seen how soon it will recover to pre-covid levels. For example, I think many NE Asian international companies might prefer to keep their current internet communication setups and as a result international business travel may lag for years.

We shall see what we see, but I think 2022 should be pretty good.

I'm usually a glass half full optimist but living here and experiencing firsthand the keystone cops fiasco of the past 6 months does not give me confidence that Thailand will be anywhere close to normal even by the first quarter of '22. Procurement of vaccines is mired in red tape and other shenanigans and assuming a level of 70% fully vaccinated requirement to reach herd immunity it will be well into '22 before that happens. That said I feel it's not all doom and gloom because economic circumstances will force the powers that be to reopen the country sooner albeit to nothing like it was precovid. A lot seems to be riding on how well the "sandbox" experiment in Phuket pans out. Question is what will this look like to those arriving for the ladies and what will the availability be of said ladies. P4P is not going away, not here or anywhere else so it's becomes a question of quantity, quality and price. I personally feel there will no issue with quantity, even under present conditions, with bars and clubs etc closed some members are managing to entertain 2, 3 even 4 ladies a day. Price will reflect demand. The very top tier providers will still be expensive but the median price will be lower for the foreseeable future. That leaves quality and here I am not so upbeat. This as most of us who have lived here for some time will know attractiveness less so service has been going in the wrong direction for years. Lots of reasons are put forward to explain this, my own sense is that many of the best lookers as soon as they get their bearings go overseas where the pickings while not easier are more bountiful. Those that stay though are for me still some of the most beautiful and affectionate working ladies on the planet.

July 30, 2021
[B]First 1.5 million doses of US-donated Pfizer vaccine have arrived in Thailand.
The Biden-led government has pledged to give a million more doses of the mRNA vaccine to the kingdom in the coming months.[/B]
[URL]https://www.timeout.com/bangkok/news/first-1-5-million-doses-of-us-donated-pfizer-vaccine-have-arrived-in-thailand-073021[/URL]
[QUOTE]On Friday (July 30), the first batch of Pfizer-BoNTec COVID-19 vaccines donated by the US government landed at Suvarnabhumi Airport to provide support for the kingdom to fight the worrying healthcare crisis.

Now that the situation in the US seems to be under control, the Biden-Harris administration has agreed to lend their helping hands in giving support to the international COVID fight by 'sharing' at least 80 million doses of its own Pfizer-BoNTec COVID-19 vaccine supply to countries in need, 23 million of which will be provided to Asia. Thailand, being the US' "oldest ally in Asia," will receive a total of 2.5 million doses in two batches, with the first batch of 1,503,450 doses has arrived by a DHL fleet.

These donations are in addition to the United States $4 billion in commitments to COVAX, the COVID-19 Vaccines Global Access Initiative.

Recognized by its high efficacy examined through wide-ranging researches, the Pfizer-BoNTec COVID-19 vaccine has been one of the most widely accepted vaccines approved by many countries to provide to the general public.

According to an infographic released by the Prime Minister Operations Center (PMOC)m, these 1.5 million US-donated vaccine doses will be distributed to five groups of frontliners and high-risk individuals:

700,000 doses to medical frontliners across the country.
645,000 doses to Thai citizens highly prone to risks:
Senior citizens (60+ years of age).
Individuals with severe chronic diseases.
Pregnant women (with 12-week pregnancy).
Individuals planning to travel abroad, such as diplomats.
5,000 doses to academic researchers.
40,000 doses will be kept as spare supplies in case of a new variant outbreak.
The US Embassy in Bangkok has reaffirmed through the press announcement that an additional one million vaccine doses will arrive soon. [/QUOTE]

Only two million? Ugh. It's going to take forever until Thailand recovers at this rate.

On a personal note the way the Thailand leaders got their head up the ass of the CCP they shouldn't get any help from the USA Regardless if they are the oldest partner. The reality is they aren't any longer and no matter how much the USA Helps blood is thicker than water since many Thai leaders openly have stated in the past the Chinese are their brothers. While the Thai leaders were buying the CCP Sinovac months back and still Sinopham they don't have the balls to say it isn't effective if they do there goes their bullet train and future submarine deal.

Then you got a great idea not to join Covax because they put all their marbles with the AZ promising they can produce 10 million when they barely could scrap up 6 million all to boost their dream of being the medical hub of SEA trying to monopolize the use of AZ would have put the many of these crooks into the billionaire club as it has for Pfizer and Moderna. When Laos got their million doses of Pfizer through the Covax program before Thailand it burns the hell out of their leaders even their general population show their dissatisfaction towards the PM it was only then the Kg family stepped forward and donated 2. 8 billion baht to help procure more. Of course, plenty of money drop in the bucket guess who is manufacturing the AZ.

It is a mess but if you know Thailand how the country is really run, all things are structure the mess is a no-brainer as to why they can't control the spread. I am not a world traveler like many of you but when it comes to Thailand they really give a new meaning to the government can't run anything. Nearly every position from top to bottom is appointed based on who you know and not on qualification it is a close shop to family members and who you know.

When it comes to vaccines, yes only 2 million but USA Shouldn't be responsible to take care of this mess they are lucky to get 1. 5 million when given it was suggested the USA Diplomatic way that 20% should go to our ex-pat living in Thailand, they have since backstep, sidetrack to that hint. I have no problem waiting so it can be given to those Thai trying their best to help others so if the 1. 5 is all gone I'm not whining what I'm whining about is that it is given to the leaders without any transparency or accountability even Thai Doctors had a demonstration this week and demanded an explanation from the USA Embassy representative as to where is all the vaccine.

The USA Shouldn't be responsible for the vaccination of this country they have already promised another 2 plus million doses, given in cash commitment of 20 million USD, another 40 million in PPE where you guys think all the testing equipment is coming from to produce the number we see every day. Japan has donated 200,000 AZ, the Brits also made donations yet the fucking CCP is still selling water to the Thai leaders, and to make sure they can skim off the top they continue to buy.

Phuket the sandbox is in quicksand but it is the culture of Thai leaders to continue so they don't lose face the outbreak numbers are coming from locals throughout Thailand who is headed to the sandbox to get jobs infected or not now they closed off any travel into Phuket Thais. They are already indicating they are starting to put the brakes on the other places from opening. In spite of the mess, the heat is on their leaders even the Mai Pen Rai Thais are getting angry and impatient I cross my fingers in spite of these idiots that sooner or later we will have enough vaccine choices so people don't step over themselves to get to them. I was joking with the wife today about how you liking the Chinese now she said " why I not want talk bad about your people " I said what I tell you " I'm made in the USA.

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;2582544]I share your attitude, but spoiler alert, we will fuck it up.

The future of our hobby is grim. Demand will be there, a steady stream of horny punters with all the pent up sperm is inevitable. On the supply side, numbers and quality of providers was already in serious decline before Covid, and will go down even further given how anyone who could find a way out of the profession during the crisis already did. Increase awareness and paranoia about new health risks will seriously diminish the attractiveness of entering the business, thin out the already dwindling girls, make service worse (good luck finding DFD), and give the authorities one more reason to crack down.[/QUOTE]What you need and I imagine most mongers have is a stable of regulars. True allot went home and will probably never come back. I get text everyday. When you come back. ASAP dear when practical. Also remember how many thousands are turning 18 everyday that want to give it a try. Over the year's new ones have always showed up either as freelancers or Go-Go bars Supply will always return. In a few years maybe less we will be back to normal, maybe not the girls you once knew but a whole new group. Variety is the spice of life. Stay positive.

[QUOTE=Franciscass;2582715]I'm usually a glass half full optimist but living here and experiencing firsthand the keystone cops fiasco of the past 6 months does not give me confidence that Thailand will be anywhere close to normal even by the first quarter of '22. Procurement of vaccines is mired in red tape and other shenanigans and assuming a level of 70% fully vaccinated requirement to reach herd immunity it will be well into '22 before that happens. That said I feel it's not all doom and gloom because economic circumstances will force the powers that be to reopen the country sooner albeit to nothing like it was precovid. A lot seems to be riding on how well the "sandbox" experiment in Phuket pans out. Question is what will this look like to those arriving for the ladies and what will the availability be of said ladies. P4P is not going away, not here or anywhere else so it's becomes a question of quantity, quality and price. I personally feel there will no issue with quantity, even under present conditions, with bars and clubs etc closed some members are managing to entertain 2, 3 even 4 ladies a day. Price will reflect demand. The very top tier providers will still be expensive but the median price will be lower for the foreseeable future. That leaves quality and here I am not so upbeat. This as most of us who have lived here for some time will know attractiveness less so service has been going in the wrong direction for years. Lots of reasons are put forward to explain this, my own sense is that many of the best lookers as soon as they get their bearings go overseas where the pickings while not easier are more bountiful. Those that stay though are for me still some of the most beautiful and affectionate working ladies on the planet.[/QUOTE]This is a pretty good assessment of the situation here in Thailand. I think if you come here to stay long-term (3 months or more), then it could still be worthwhile to get to Thailand; assuming that all you cared about was straight-to-the-point P4 P inside your room all day (and nothing else). But if you need all that other extra stuff besides the P4 P (nightlife atmosphere, social crowds, etc.), then you are better off staying back in your home country. And in my opinion, anything less than 3 months would not be worth it.

Based on my own perspective of the bureaucracy here in Thailand, I had previously predicted a mid-year '22 timeframe of when things could start to get back to normal. After this 3rd wave of Covid here in Thailand, that prediction might be considered optimistic on my part. But I'll stick with that prediction for now and still say that things will start looking up again for Thailand when the requirement to wear facemasks is no longer there. This will be my gauge of when things are returning to normalcy.

I have been to Thailand many times over the years, but there has never been a better time than this.

The ladies have few customers, and a lot have lost boyfriends due to lack of cash. So the ladies are eager to please, and some are dick starved. And very polite "can I suck your dick now? I line them up, and they come to my place, most come early (I don't miss the bars, talking to other Farangs, or any of that social stuff). In exchange, I get ladies fucking my face with their pussies while another lady does cowgirl on my dick. Just about every day.

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;2586846]On a personal note the way the Thailand leaders got their head up the ass of the CCP they shouldn't get any help from the USA Regardless if they are the oldest partner. The reality is they aren't any longer and no matter how much the USA Helps blood is thicker than water since many Thai leaders openly have stated in the past the Chinese are their brothers.[/QUOTE]This pretty much sums it up: [URL]https://thethaiger.com/coronavirus/thai-health-minister-has-a-slash-at-dirty-farang[/URL].

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;2586846]On a personal note the way the Thailand leaders got their head up the ass of the CCP they shouldn't get any help from the USA Regardless if they are the oldest partner. The reality is they aren't any longer and no matter how much the USA Helps blood is thicker than water since many Thai leaders openly have stated in the past the Chinese are their brothers. While the Thai leaders were buying the CCP Sinovac months back and still Sinopham they don't have the balls to say it isn't effective if they do there goes their bullet train and future submarine deal..[/QUOTE]In the top tier of Thai society typically either you are connected to the royal family somehow or you're of Chinese decent or mixed Thai / Chinese. I'd guess more than half of the top 0. 1% of wealthy in the country are at least part ethnic Chinese. Until very recently a large % of upper middle class Thais also fell into this category.

That's why in nearly 10 years I saw maybe 2 Thai Chinese working girls. Extremely rare because you won't find a poor Thai - Chinese person.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2587035]I have been to Thailand many times over the years, but there has never been a better time than this.[/QUOTE]Have you been in Thailand prior to 2010?

In 2020, after tourists stopped coming, girls became increasingly easy to get. Sadly, the numbers and quality of girls on offer to Farang, across all venues (including online like ThaiFriendly) is pathetic compared to 10 years ago. A monger who is happy to choose between scattered remnants of what was there in 2019, which was already a shadow of the previous times, you'll be happy. Those who actually remember the golden times, surely won't.

A freelancer who was unenthusiastically quoting me 1500 baht in Jan 2020 was begging me to go for 500 in October. What good is that when she has tats, monster eyebrows and an unattractive vibe, so I wouldn't go with her anyway, and she was the best looking one still available?

I do agree, however, than June-Nov 2020 was pretty the best time for Bangkok freelancers since 2014 or so. After the Mahachai wave in December, not so much.

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;2587405]Have you been in Thailand prior to 2010?

In 2020, after tourists stopped coming, girls became increasingly easy to get. Sadly, the numbers and quality of girls on offer to Farang, across all venues (including online like ThaiFriendly) is pathetic compared to 10 years ago. A monger who is happy to choose between scattered remnants of what was there in 2019, which was already a shadow of the previous times, you'll be happy. Those who actually remember the golden times, surely won't.

A freelancer who was unenthusiastically quoting me 1500 baht in Jan 2020 was begging me to go for 500 in October. What good is that when she has tats, monster eyebrows and an unattractive vibe, so I wouldn't go with her anyway, and she was the best looking one still available?

I do agree, however, than June-Nov 2020 was pretty the best time for Bangkok freelancers since 2014 or so. After the Mahachai wave in December, not so much.[/QUOTE]I wasn't coming here from about 1995 to 2012 and can't compare Pattaya today to pre-Covid times because I have not gone there to monger in at least a year. But the pickins' are extremely slim for doable P4P girls in Bangkok these days, and I'm certainly not talking about body weight. Good new girls are a rare find. More difficult than it has ever been.

Sure, getting them cheaper is easier. But my god they are pathetic at their job. And it isn't that the girls showing up lately are new to the game. They are not. Just bad at the job even under supposedly significant economic pressure to find a customer and repeat with him.

And the few remaining "lookers" are still the worst. I get multiple Line messages every day from one of the best lookers that gathers nightly outside of Thermae begging for a repeat. She would have to pay me to repeat that dreary experience.

But my favorite repeats from pre-Covid times are still winners for me, thankfully. And I am dating more non P4P girls who come through like champs in the sack.

When I was last in Bangkok around 2018 I thought the Soapy Massages. Poseidon, Emmanuel, etc. Had plenty of excellent options.

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;2587405]Have you been in Thailand prior to 2010?

In 2020, after tourists stopped coming, girls became increasingly easy to get. Sadly, the numbers and quality of girls on offer to Farang, across all venues (including online like ThaiFriendly) is pathetic compared to 10 years ago. A monger who is happy to choose between scattered remnants of what was there in 2019, which was already a shadow of the previous times, you'll be happy. Those who actually remember the golden times, surely won't.

A freelancer who was unenthusiastically quoting me 1500 baht in Jan 2020 was begging me to go for 500 in October. What good is that when she has tats, monster eyebrows and an unattractive vibe, so I wouldn't go with her anyway, and she was the best looking one still available?

I do agree, however, than June-Nov 2020 was pretty the best time for Bangkok freelancers since 2014 or so. After the Mahachai wave in December, not so much.[/QUOTE]I started coming to Thailand in 2004. The quality of the ladies hasn't changed much, except there is more silicon, tattoos and cell phones.

Of course, now with no customers, the ladies are eager to please. It is possible that one big difference is the lack of availability of local men, apart from customers. The number of random Thai men hanging around is small, and many ladies don't have cash to support a man. So, I suspect some ladies that visit me actually horny. Some complain about not having sex for a long, long time time.

If women thought like men, they could just go down to a homeless shelter or food donation area and give a guy a couple of hundred baht for a quickie, but it doesn’t work like that.

[QUOTE=IHeartIpa;2587401]In the top tier of Thai society typically either you are connected to the royal family somehow or you're of Chinese decent or mixed Thai / Chinese. I'd guess more than half of the top 0. 1% of wealthy in the country are at least part ethnic Chinese. Until very recently a large % of upper middle class Thais also fell into this category.

That's why in nearly 10 years I saw maybe 2 Thai Chinese working girls. Extremely rare because you won't find a poor Thai - Chinese person.[/QUOTE]Oh, I found one, sort of. Her father is from China, but is Zuang, not Han Chinese.

The rich Chinese Thais typically had ancestors who came from Guangdong in the late 19th century, so they typically don't speak Cantonese anymore. They are Chinese genetically, but much of the culture has been lost.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2587503]I started coming to Thailand in 2004. The quality of the ladies hasn't changed much, except there is more silicon, tattoos and cell phones.[/QUOTE]Sir, if you can't see the changes between 2004 and 2019 (except for cellphones and tattoos), you and I must have been visiting two completely different Thailands.

Back in the 2000's there was a ton of semi-amateurs who might have dabbled on the scene but had a day job, or reluctant new bargirls who saw it as a stepping stone on a way to something else, perhaps a marriage to a Farang. Post 2015 or so (no sharp cutoff), it's mostly long-time hardened hookers who are unwilling and unable to do any other job.

Standing advice to newbies back in the day used to be "don't marry a bargirl", these days nobody would even think about doing it. In 2019, even getting a long-time was not too appealing.

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;2588233]Sir, if you can't see the changes between 2004 and 2019 (except for cellphones and tattoos), you and I must have been visiting two completely different Thailands.

Back in the 2000's there was a ton of semi-amateurs who might have dabbled on the scene but had a day job, or reluctant new bargirls who saw it as a stepping stone on a way to something else, perhaps a marriage to a Farang. Post 2015 or so (no sharp cutoff), it's mostly long-time hardened hookers who are unwilling and unable to do any other job.

Standing advice to newbies back in the day used to be "don't marry a bargirl", these days nobody would even think about doing it. In 2019, even getting a long-time was not too appealing.[/QUOTE]Plenty of hardened bargirls in Pattaya pre-2010. Walking Street was filled with them.

Conversely, I run into fresh off the bus new ladies all the time, until Covid closed the bars.

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;2588233]Sir, if you can't see the changes between 2004 and 2019 (except for cellphones and tattoos), you and I must have been visiting two completely different Thailands.[/QUOTE]In 2018 there were many hotties at Lords soapy massage. If I recall, prices were 6000 to 11,000 THB for 90 minutes, much more expensive than what is usually discussed in this forum.

Were the pre-2004 top flight girls even hotter than the 2018 11,000 THB soapy girls?

The biggest change for me was in 2017, when I started getting social media addresses from ladies. Before 2017, it was fuck them and forget them, because on my subsequent trip, my previous barfines were mostly long gone from their bars.

Now, I can repeat with the same ladies over the years. That's one of the reasons why some of my sessions are so good, the ladies are more comfortable with a repeat customer.

"Customer before" is very powerful for a bargirl. They will escape from their boyfriend and go fuck a customer because they can rationalize it as "customer before".

I will never understand why anyone would sponsor a lady living in a bar district like Pattaya.

If the lady wants to retire from the biz, she will go home. If she still lives in a bar area, it is to service customers. It's that simple.

I have fucked ladies who were texting their sponsor. Most ladies have zero loyalty to someone who sends them money.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2588372]I have fucked ladies who were texting their sponsor. Most ladies have zero loyalty to someone who sends them money.[/QUOTE]That is only if your definition of loyalty is not fucking another person. And you assume that the sponsor is in the relationship not expecting the lady to fuck someone else or that this so-called loyalty was a qualification of the relationship. There are countless types of relationships.

There are many types of sponsors in Thailand but not all are gullible fools.

There is certainly a group that is the typically naive farang that is really clueless towards the situation and just blindly sends cash. He does understand the situation nor Thai culture. He certainly does not know that if they are not in Thailand 24/7 than their "girl" is most likely seeing someone else or still working. This type of guy is getting royally fucked and sadly a lot of it is his own fault.

There is also a second group of sponsors that knows exactly what they are getting into. They probably have a wife / girlfriend back home, may have others girls they sponsor in different countries. In a world that is becoming increasingly wealthier there are tons of these guys. The benefits of to this kind of arrangement in that rather than being in nana or Pattaya every night they have someone that is ready to go when they hit town. Hanging out at Nana, Patpong or Pattaya every night does get boring IMHO.

So, not all sponsors are as dumb as we all assume.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2588404]That is only if your definition of loyalty is not fucking another person. And you assume that the sponsor is in the relationship not expecting the lady to fuck someone else or that this so-called loyalty was a qualification of the relationship. There are countless types of relationships.[/QUOTE]You are right about that, a lady today told me some guy gave her 15,000 baht a month with no strings attached. For years.

I had 4 ladies over today. The highlight was taking a shower with one silicon enhanced dark brown lady. Otherwise, it was hours of dealing with horny drunken naked ladies. I'm tired.

Seriously, I don't believe they are all horny, but they are desperate to keep me as a customer, so it's all good.

One of the ladies posted on Facebook a photo from my place, and got 100 likes, mostly from Lonely Guys.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2588404]That is only if your definition of loyalty is not fucking another person. And you assume that the sponsor is in the relationship not expecting the lady to fuck someone else or that this so-called loyalty was a qualification of the relationship. There are countless types of relationships.[/QUOTE]Lets just be super clear, these girls only want your money, there is nothing else, its all a game / scam. Be it a sponsor, in a club, an MP, a gogo, escort, whatever. They're sex workers, and their goal is just to take your money, there is no loyalty or anything of that crap unless its to suck more money out of you than they can get from every other source.

[QUOTE=GrapeMan;2588632]Lets just be super clear, these girls only want your money, there is nothing else, its all a game / scam. Be it a sponsor, in a club, an MP, a gogo, escort, whatever. They're sex workers, and their goal is just to take your money, there is no loyalty or anything of that crap unless its to suck more money out of you than they can get from every other source.[/QUOTE]Here again, you are making the assumption that only sex workers have sponsors. I have been with many chicks that were not sex workers, but when they not only got a boyfriend, but he was also sending money, we could not fuck anymore. My next door neighbor was not a sex worker. Her boyfriend was paying for a house back where she lived, the apartment she lived in next to me, her car, and her motorbike. We started fucking when he left to go back to Singapore to work. And guess what. When I stopped fucking her, a friend of mine who was also our neighbor on the same floor, started fucking her.

It is not always about money and it is not always about sex workers. Shit I know chicks that work on Soi 6 that absolutely will not go with anyone because they have a boyfriend that sponsors them. People are people. Whether they fuck you for fun or scam you out of money, it is independent of the job they have. People are going to do what people are going to do.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2588658]Here again, you are making the assumption that only sex workers have sponsors. I have been with many chicks that were not sex workers, but when they not only got a boyfriend, but he was also sending money, we could not fuck anymore. My next door neighbor was not a sex worker. Her boyfriend was paying for a house back where she lived, the apartment she lived in next to me, her car, and her motorbike. We started fucking when he left to go back to Singapore to work. And guess what. When I stopped fucking her, a friend of mine who was also our neighbor on the same floor, started fucking her.

It is not always about money and it is not always about sex workers. Shit I know chicks that work on Soi 6 that absolutely will not go with anyone because they have a boyfriend that sponsors them. People are people. Whether they fuck you for fun or scam you out of money, it is independent of the job they have. People are going to do what people are going to do.[/QUOTE]This board is about sex workers. Whatever sugar baby or Boyfriend / girlfriend status people are cheating on each other or who knows what is what it is, across the world, but that's not the discussion here.

[QUOTE=GrapeMan;2588662]This board is about sex workers. Whatever sugar baby or Boyfriend / girlfriend status people are cheating on each other or who knows what is what it is, across the world, but that's not the discussion here.[/QUOTE]The purpose of this Forum is to facilitate the exchange of information between men who are looking for sex with women. The forum is about more than P4P situations.

[QUOTE=GrapeMan;2588632]Lets just be super clear, these girls only want your money, there is nothing else, its all a game / scam. Be it a sponsor, in a club, an MP, a gogo, escort, whatever. They're sex workers, and their goal is just to take your money, there is no loyalty or anything of that crap unless its to suck more money out of you than they can get from every other source.[/QUOTE]It's not true, sometimes emotions can get over and they are not able to deal with it.

It also happens the other way, for the guys that fall in love with a sex worker, he cannot deal with it, and some of them become sponsors.

These girls are human, they can fall in love too, but that doesn't mean they won't go fuck around when the guy is not there.

[QUOTE=Paolo99;2588841]It's not true, sometimes emotions can get over and they are not able to deal with it.

It also happens the other way, for the guys that fall in love with a sex worker, he cannot deal with it, and some of them become sponsors.

These girls are human, they can fall in love too, but that doesn't mean they won't go fuck around when the guy is not there.[/QUOTE]If you guys want to fall in love with a stripper and become a sugar daddy feel free. Good luck with that, but you have to understand for everyone else how strange this all sounds to 'sponsor' a thai girl. Its a strange setup anywhere, not just thailand.

[QUOTE=GrapeMan;2589780]If you guys want to fall in love with a stripper and become a sugar daddy feel free. Good luck with that, but you have to understand for everyone else how strange this all sounds to 'sponsor' a thai girl. Its a strange setup anywhere, not just thailand.[/QUOTE]It is not just Thailand and it is not just hookers and it is not just men. There are chicks that sponsor dudes, there are dudes that sponsor dudes. Again, this is a people thing and has nothing to do with whether it is a chick or a stripper. There have always been sponsors and there always will be sponsors. I ran into a guy yesterday that was going to the Dominican Republic. He said he sponsors his girl for $300 per month, but he does not mind because she treats him like a king when he is there.

It seems there are forces at play to convince Thai P4P participants as well as everyone else to wear a mask while having sex.

As I recall, early last year I suggested that all the passionate debate about condom vs bareback would pale compared to what was heading down the pike to throw a wrench in the works in terms of serious risk and dangers related to Real Sex and P4P with the then spreading coronavirus pandemic. And got blasted for the prediction, of course. I am sure there will still be a contingency of punters to insist having sex with both you and your partner wearing a mask is every bit as much "Real Sex" as unmasked sex. But that's for another thread I suppose.

Time will tell how seriously the ladies take this Thai Department of Health message to heart and start refusing maskless sex altogether or demanding a hefty surcharge for "boom boom no mask."

[b]Thailands Department of Health advises people wear face masks during sex[/b]
[URL]https://aseannow.com/topic/1226877-thailand%E2%80%99s-department-of-health-advises-people-wear-face-masks-during-sex/?utm_source=LINE&utm_medium=Social&utm_campaign=news[/URL]
[quote]Couples and lovers should refrain from face to face contact and wear face masks.

There should be no kissing or oral sex, no group sex and cleanliness should be a priority.

The departmental rep responsible for sanitation and sex Dr Pheerayuth Sanugoon spoke to Daily News at the weekend after a young prostitute in Kanchanaburi tested positive raising concerns of a cluster.
[/quote]

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2591255]It seems there are forces at play to convince Thai P4 P participants to wear a mask while having sex. As I recall, early last year I suggested that all the debate about condom vs bareback would pale compared to what was heading down the pike to throw a wrench in the works for Real Sex and P4 P with the then spreading coronavirus pandemic. And got blasted for the prediction, of course. I am sure there will still be a contingency of punters to insist having sex with both you and your partner wearing a mask is every bit as "Real Sex" as unmasked sex. But that's for another thread I suppose.

Time will tell how seriously the ladies take this Doctor's message to heart and start demanding a heft surcharge for "boom boom no mask. ".

[URL]https://aseannow.com/topic/1226877-thailand%E2%80%99s-department-of-health-advises-people-wear-face-masks-during-sex/?utm_source=LINE&utm_medium=Social&utm_campaign=news[/URL][/QUOTE]Sex with a mask. Is this practically possible? Who is going to check that while doing the thing. So I can say nonsense.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2588658]Here again, you are making the assumption that only sex workers have sponsors. I have been with many chicks that were not sex workers, but when they not only got a boyfriend, but he was also sending money, we could not fuck anymore. My next door neighbor was not a sex worker. Her boyfriend was paying for a house back where she lived, the apartment she lived in next to me, her car, and her motorbike. We started fucking when he left to go back to Singapore to work. And guess what. When I stopped fucking her, a friend of mine who was also our neighbor on the same floor, started fucking her.

It is not always about money and it is not always about sex workers. Shit I know chicks that work on Soi 6 that absolutely will not go with anyone because they have a boyfriend that sponsors them. People are people. Whether they fuck you for fun or scam you out of money, it is independent of the job they have. People are going to do what people are going to do.[/QUOTE]I totally agree with you. But men need talent for that, like you. Because I totally believe that more talent more free chicks equation even with my personal experience. Happy hunting.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2591255]SNIP And got blasted for the prediction, of course. I am sure there will still be a contingency of punters to insist having sex with both you and your partner wearing a mask is every bit as much "Real Sex" as unmasked sex. But that's for another thread I suppose.

SNIP[/QUOTE]I left Thailand in January of 2020 for some medical treatment in the USA. The Thai treatment was ineffective and had to be redone. Now, 19 months later, having satisficed myself by myself with zero help, I assure you that sex with a mask on would indeed be real sex. That is certainly not my first choice but there is no substitute for real pussy. It's all about perspective. Be grateful for what you have.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2591255]It seems there are forces at play to convince Thai P4P participants as well as everyone else to wear a mask while having sex.

As I recall, early last year I suggested that all the passionate debate about condom vs bareback would pale compared to what was heading down the pike to throw a wrench in the works in terms of serious risk and dangers related to Real Sex and P4P with the then spreading coronavirus pandemic. And got blasted for the prediction, of course. I am sure there will still be a contingency of punters to insist having sex with both you and your partner wearing a mask is every bit as much "Real Sex" as unmasked sex. But that's for another thread I suppose.

Time will tell how seriously the ladies take this Thai Department of Health message to heart and start refusing maskless sex altogether or demanding a hefty surcharge for "boom boom no mask."

[b]Thailands Department of Health advises people wear face masks during sex[/b]
[URL]https://aseannow.com/topic/1226877-thailand%E2%80%99s-department-of-health-advises-people-wear-face-masks-during-sex/?utm_source=LINE&utm_medium=Social&utm_campaign=news[/URL][/QUOTE]When I read this article what came to mind I wanted to call the guy up as an older Asian and wiser let him know to stop jerking himself off and get out and get some real pussy one he does that the mask nonsense will go away.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2591255]It seems there are forces at play to convince Thai P4P participants as well as everyone else to wear a mask while having sex.[/QUOTE]A mask during sex is absurd and the girls demanding that will lose too many customers for it to become standard. Unfortunately, I'm afraid we can kiss DFK (proper mouth kissing) goodbye for several years after the pandemic, except with a handful of reckless girls who are up for anything.

I also expect a lot more of a paranoid attitudes and mechanical sex. While an occasional "no" and having limits is fine, in the past I had a few girls over-the-top paranoid about one thing or other and there's rarely a bigger turnoff.

Worst of all, the number of girls willing to enter the sex industry, or even veterans re-entering it, will be seriously reduced due to higher perceived risk.

If you think AIDS was bad, that was just an uncertain threat 10 year down the line, whereas Covid is a swift punishment that you also get to pass to your friends and family.

Vaccines will help, but at this point it's clear we won't eradicate Covid and that variants and mutations will remain around. Fears of close contact will persist for years even after Covid eventually becomes harmless to most people.

Once the pandemic subsides, our hobby is in for some dark times, not just in Thailand, but worldwide.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2591255]It seems there are forces at play to convince Thai P4P participants as well as everyone else to wear a mask while having sex.

As I recall, early last year I suggested that all the passionate debate about condom vs bareback would pale compared to what was heading down the pike to throw a wrench in the works in terms of serious risk and dangers related to Real Sex and P4P with the then spreading coronavirus pandemic. And got blasted for the prediction, of course. I am sure there will still be a contingency of punters to insist having sex with both you and your partner wearing a mask is every bit as much "Real Sex" as unmasked sex. But that's for another thread I suppose.

Time will tell how seriously the ladies take this Thai Department of Health message to heart and start refusing maskless sex altogether or demanding a hefty surcharge for "boom boom no mask."[/QUOTE]Don't worry! I speak with many ladies on facebook who are in Bangkok and Pattaya and all what they want is to know when I come back Pattaya to get some gifts and money! They totally don't care of masks or condoms! They care only for money!

And I found new girls profiles on Facebook from girls who were working in Soi 6 Pattaya and gogos in BKK and Pattaya, they only ask me to know if I'm in Pattaya or even in Thailand! We chat little bit, and some girls open the cam on their phone by facebook messenger or Line or Whasapp and when they're sexy I tell them directly I want fuck them bareback! They all say me yes but want money!

So I don't believe one second girls will wear a mask during the sexual act!

Me too I read that on the news, but it's only an advice! Nobody will respect that advice!

I'm fully vaccinated with Pfizer, the onky thing I wait is to come back Pattaya and fuck! And now when I see 1 euro for 39 bahts, it's fucking perfect!

Last year just before the pandemia, 1 euro was 33. Now 1 euro is 39. And some men told me soon, 1 euro will be 40 Bahts. I just wait the good time to change my money!

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;2591580]A mask during sex is absurd and the girls demanding that will lose too many customers for it to become standard. Unfortunately, I'm afraid we can kiss DFK (proper mouth kissing) goodbye for several years after the pandemic, except with a handful of reckless girls who are up for anything.

.[/QUOTE]I have ladies forcing me to kiss just about every day. Very intrusive.

Almost as bad as when they climb up and stick their pussy in my mouth.

[QUOTE=Crazy4Thai;2591370]I left Thailand in January of 2020 for some medical treatment in the USA. The Thai treatment was ineffective and had to be redone. Now, 19 months later, having satisficed myself by myself with zero help, I assure you that sex with a mask on would indeed be real sex. That is certainly not my first choice but there is no substitute for real pussy. It's all about perspective. Be grateful for what you have.[/QUOTE]Yes, it is true people can still engage in an act of sexual intercourse, with or without a condom, while wearing a mask. A better analogy would have been to relate it to the other behaviors cited in the report; kissing and oral sex.

In which case, the question is how many people would consider it Real Kissing, getting a Real Blowjob or Real DATY while the person doing it is wearing a mask. And I do mean wearing it properly over the mouth and nose, not pushed to the side, no holes cut out of it or anything like that. Lol

[QUOTE=Gilolo;2591586]...
And I found new girls profiles on Facebook from girls who were working in Soi 6 Pattaya and gogos in BKK and Pattaya, they only ask me to know if I'm in Pattaya or even in Thailand! We chat little bit, and some girls open the cam on their phone by facebook messenger or Line or Whasapp and when they're sexy I tell them directly I want fuck them bareback! They all say me yes but want money!
...[/QUOTE]Ah yes, that is the "surcharge" move I was talking about. I often agree to pay extra for BBFS+CIP in an upfront negotiation. I know you agree to pay a surcharge for bareback when necessary.

If the girls determine it is well established that they take on greater risk of anything potentially serious by engaging in DFK or BBBJ, it is not a stretch to foresee a time when girls who used to jam their tongue down our throat and face dive on our dick before our trousers fell down around our ankles will suddenly decide those behaviors require an extra "How much you pay me for that?" question, even if they really aren't the least bit concerned about the risks personally. It would be the right business move.

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;2591580]A mask during sex is absurd and the girls demanding that will lose too many customers for it to become standard. Unfortunately, I'm afraid we can kiss DFK (proper mouth kissing) goodbye for several years after the pandemic, except with a handful of reckless girls who are up for anything.

I also expect a lot more of a paranoid attitudes and mechanical sex. While an occasional "no" and having limits is fine, in the past I had a few girls over-the-top paranoid about one thing or other and there's rarely a bigger turnoff.

Worst of all, the number of girls willing to enter the sex industry, or even veterans re-entering it, will be seriously reduced due to higher perceived risk.

If you think AIDS was bad, that was just an uncertain threat 10 year down the line, whereas Covid is a swift punishment that you also get to pass to your friends and family.

Vaccines will help, but at this point it's clear we won't eradicate Covid and that variants and mutations will remain around. Fears of close contact will persist for years even after Covid eventually becomes harmless to most people.

Once the pandemic subsides, our hobby is in for some dark times, not just in Thailand, but worldwide.[/QUOTE]I am with you on most of that. But I am hoping that once nearly everyone in Thailand has been vaccinated, which could easily take years unless an over the counter pill for it replaces the double injection drama soon, then, fingers crossed, the girls will over a reasonable amount of time experience and observe so little sickness for themselves and anyone else in their circle that many will drop irrational fears of those normal sexual behaviors.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2591629]I have ladies forcing me to kiss just about every day. Very intrusive.

Almost as bad as when they climb up and stick their pussy in my mouth.[/QUOTE]How terrible. You must not let them take advantage of you like that. Don't spoil them, pretty soon word will get around and all Thai girls will want to do that to mongers.

Hi guys,

What is the updated situation there right now. Can foreigners easily come after being vaccinated for covid or are there any other rules need to know?

For someone who has always liked DFK, especially with willing Thai girls, this is a devastating turn of events. I have to agree, based on my experiences with Thais, that Covid will be the excuse for many to eschew this aspect of full intimacy.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2591669]I am with you on most of that. But I am hoping that once nearly everyone in Thailand has been vaccinated, which could easily take years unless an over the counter pill for it replaces the double injection drama soon, then, fingers crossed, the girls will over a reasonable amount of time experience and observe so little sickness for themselves and anyone else in their circle that many will drop irrational fears of those normal sexual behaviors.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Tomasb;2593744]For someone who has always liked DFK, especially with willing Thai girls, this is a devastating turn of events. I have to agree, based on my experiences with Thais, that Covid will be the excuse for many to eschew this aspect of full intimacy.[/QUOTE]I'm currently in Pattaya and have no issues getting DFK. When this started and the bars were first closed, Lisa bar girl I had played with several times, and I bought many LD's refused to come meet me. She was afraid of the Covid. Contacted her a few months later and still was afraid. By the time you get here, vaccination will be a requirement to work the bars. Right now the powers that be, are considering a Vaccine Pass for dine-in at restaurants.

[QUOTE=Tomasb;2593744]For someone who has always liked DFK, especially with willing Thai girls, this is a devastating turn of events. I have to agree, based on my experiences with Thais, that Covid will be the excuse for many to eschew this aspect of full intimacy.[/QUOTE]It had gotten to the point over the past few years where it was obvious I might not even get horny enough for a girl to fuck her, boner pill or no boner pill, if she is doing the clenched jaw, head turn from a DFK bit.

So it became one of my first questions during an upfront discussion with a girl. The list isn't that long but my first question has been; "Will you do romantic kissing with our tongues gently touching?" It's a deal killer and I will move on if the response is not a clear and somewhat enthusiastic Yes. I don't care if she "might" change her mind in the room. If the girl resists the idea upfront, I know 90% of the time our session will be crap.

In the case of dating site girls, video chatting a moment before asking the question greatly improves the chances for getting that clear Yes.

But I have to say that in the past few months I have encountered more girls who recoiled at the idea of DFK and walked away without hesitation from ~2,000 baht ST deals for fear of "Covid." I'm talking about girls standing in front of (closed) Thermae and online dating sites.

[QUOTE=JavaMan;2593784]I'm currently in Pattaya and have no issues getting DFK. When this started and the bars were first closed, Lisa bar girl I had played with several times, and I bought many LD's refused to come meet me. She was afraid of the Covid. Contacted her a few months later and still was afraid. By the time you get here, vaccination will be a requirement to work the bars. Right now the powers that be, are considering a Vaccine Pass for dine-in at restaurants.[/QUOTE]Everyone in my circle of ladies knows that I am fully vaccinated. I get more DFK than I want, some girls do it after I lick the pussy of another girl.

I hope you are doing equally well in Pattaya.

A Farang I know is in the monkey house now due to drinking on Soi Chaiyapoon with 8 people. Allegedly, they were turned in by an informant.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2591794]How terrible. You must not let them take advantage of you like that. Don't spoil them, pretty soon word will get around and all Thai girls will want to do that to mongers.[/QUOTE]I am kind of joking here. I probably get a lot more pussy in mouth than tongue in mouth, it depends on the hardness of the bar girl. Almost everyone wants their pussy licked, the days of ladies showing up with sore pussies from too many customers are gone.

[QUOTE=Polekaru;2593648]Hi guys,

What is the updated situation there right now. Can foreigners easily come after being vaccinated for covid or are there any other rules need to know?[/QUOTE]You should investigate the Phuket sandbox.

[QUOTE=Polekaru;2593648]Hi guys,

What is the updated situation there right now. Can foreigners easily come after being vaccinated for covid or are there any other rules need to know?[/QUOTE]Google "certificate of entry Thailand" and you'll find everything you need. There are additional hoops and it's a bit of a pain, but it's all doable. You need to be vaccinated and do a 2 week quarantine if you coming to anywhere other than Phuket or Samui. In those two places, you have to stay on the island and have COVID tests, but you are free to roam around.

I am personally have trouble with the COVID test and insurance payments. They use the same online payment system. The payments will not go through from here, not matter which card / computer / browser I use and even Alipay didn't work. I think China is blocking payment to go to Thailand. I'm hoping I can get it worked out but I'm running out of time.

For those who have gone the Phuket route, how long did it take you to get your COE after you sent everything in? I have everything else done, just trying to pay for those last two things.

I am the same. Without at least some DFK, I don't always experience arousal sufficient to enjoy the act, blue pill or not. It's simply a deal killer for me if they don't kiss. I always ask that question first, "do you (deep) kiss" and of course, some Thai girls will try to soft shoe that and agree and then do a dodge once in the room. As I am sure you have experienced, they don't want to prove it in a crowded bar or club because "too shy" or whatever else excuse comes handy, and say wait to the room.

Now with Covid, this provides them further incentive to avoid DFK all together. It's funny, though, as they rarely reject oral sex.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2593899]It had gotten to the point over the past few years where it was obvious I might not even get horny enough for a girl to fuck her, boner pill or no boner pill, if she is doing the clenched jaw, head turn from a DFK bit.

So it became one of my first questions during an upfront discussion with a girl. The list isn't that long but my first question has been; "Will you do romantic kissing with our tongues gently touching?" It's a deal killer and I will move on if the response is not a clear and somewhat enthusiastic Yes. I don't care if she "might" change her mind in the room. If the girl resists the idea upfront, I know 90% of the time our session will be crap.

In the case of dating site girls, video chatting a moment before asking the question greatly improves the chances for getting that clear Yes.

But I have to say that in the past few months I have encountered more girls who recoiled at the idea of DFK and walked away without hesitation from ~2,000 baht ST deals for fear of "Covid." I'm talking about girls standing in front of (closed) Thermae and online dating sites.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2593958]I hope you are doing equally well in Pattaya. A Farang I know is in the monkey house now due to drinking on Soi Chaiyapoon with 8 people. Allegedly, they were turned in by an informant.[/QUOTE]Yes, I am. In the middle of the poon, with the black covering? He Can't afford the "bail?

[QUOTE=Tomasb;2594144]I am the same. Without at least some DFK, I don't always experience arousal sufficient to enjoy the act, blue pill or not. It's simply a deal killer for me if they don't kiss. I always ask that question first, "do you (deep) kiss" and of course, some Thai girls will try to soft shoe that and agree and then do a dodge once in the room. As I am sure you have experienced, they don't want to prove it in a crowded bar or club because "too shy" or whatever else excuse comes handy, and say wait to the room.

Now with Covid, this provides them further incentive to avoid DFK all together. It's funny, though, as they rarely reject oral sex.[/QUOTE]Prostitutes' usually don't like kissing their John's. If they are really drunk or you become a regular then their attitudes can change.

[QUOTE=Tomasb;2594144]I am the same. Without at least some DFK, I don't always experience arousal sufficient to enjoy the act, blue pill or not. It's simply a deal killer for me if they don't kiss. I always ask that question first, "do you (deep) kiss" and of course, some Thai girls will try to soft shoe that and agree and then do a dodge once in the room. As I am sure you have experienced, they don't want to prove it in a crowded bar or club because "too shy" or whatever else excuse comes handy, and say wait to the room.

Now with Covid, this provides them further incentive to avoid DFK all together. It's funny, though, as they rarely reject oral sex.[/QUOTE]I met a hottie in her mid 20's online last week. I video chatted with her briefly but enough to know her photos were accurate, not 5 years and 5 kilos ago, that she not a ladyboy and so on. She asked 3,000 baht for ST.

Yes to DATY. Yes to BBBF+CIP (and Yes to BBBJ but No, never no how no way to CIM).

But she was vague about hairy pussy or shaved/trimmed pussy and was No, never no how no way to DFK or even LFK, "because Covid!

Hottie or not, those last 2 issues brought an end to my interest in even bothering to work that 3,000 baht down to 1,500 - 2,000 baht. I would have moved on if she'd agreed to 1,000 for ST. And I sure as hell was not going go up from 3,000 just for a little added tongue kissing.

I replied to one of my (better looking than the No DFK girl) reliable pre-Covid regular's usual daily Line messages of undying Love and had a great LT from 6pm to about 12Noon the next day with everything I wanted for 2,000 + 200 for taxi.

We get pickier the longer we live here. Lol.

[QUOTE=JavaMan;2594145]Yes, I am. In the middle of the poon, with the black covering? He Can't afford the "bail?[/QUOTE]I was told the story by a bargirl, so that's all I have on the story. I haven't seen him post on Facebook lately, so he may still be in custody.

[QUOTE=Locamotive;2594225]Prostitutes' usually don't like kissing their John's. If they are really drunk or you become a regular then their attitudes can change.[/QUOTE]That is what separates Thailand, Philippines, Brazil, Colombia, etc. So depends on where you get your prostitutes as to what they usually do or like to do.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2594374]That is what separates Thailand, Philippines, Brazil, Colombia, etc. So depends on where you get your prostitutes as to what they usually do or like to do.[/QUOTE]So I'm curious about this. What are the differences in terms of what they will do? I have been thinking about a trip to the Philippines, so this might give me a nudge to do that sometime. I have heard they like CIP, but I haven't heard anything else. I'm also curious about Colombia.

[QUOTE=JavaMan;2594145]Yes, I am. In the middle of the poon, with the black covering? He Can't afford the "bail?[/QUOTE]He just posted on Facebook that he won't be able to distribute food to the needy for a while.

[QUOTE=Polekaru;2593648]Hi guys,

What is the updated situation there right now. Can foreigners easily come after being vaccinated for covid or are there any other rules need to know?[/QUOTE]Any advice guys?

[QUOTE=Polekaru;2594856]Any advice guys?[/QUOTE]There are a ton of rules.

Google Phuket Sandbox for the easiest way to come.

[QUOTE=Polekaru;2594856]Any advice guys?[/QUOTE]The easiest way to come is through the Phuket or Samui sandbox programs. You can come into Bangkok or other places, but if you do, you will have to do a 2-week quarantine in a hotel where you cannot leave your room. If you come through one of the sandboxes, you can do your quarantine without staying in your room. You can't leave those islands during the two weeks, but after the two weeks, you can then travel within Thailand (there are travel restrictions, which you'll have to find based on when you are coming and where there are outbreaks).

So I don't know where you want to travel, but let's say you want to come to Pattaya. You could come into Bangkok and take a quarantine car to Pattaya and stay in a hotel there in your room for 2 weeks and then you would be in Pattaya and you could do what you wanted there. Or you could fly into Phuket and and spend 2 weeks hanging out at the beach and being outside your room, then travel to Pattaya freely (assuming there are no restrictions on travel to there) and spend the rest of your time in Pattaya.

Fly into Pattaya: Benefits. You'll be where you are trying to go, flight cost to Bangkok might be a little cheaper.

Fly into Pattaya: Downsides. You have to stay in your room for 2 weeks.

Fly to Phuket / Samui. Benefits - no quarantine in room, sex with ladies for those 2 weeks.

Fly to Phuket / Samui. Downsides - You'll have to find a way to get to Pattaya (I think there are cheap flights still running once or twice a week), cost might be a bit more (but not too much).

I am taking the Phuket sandbox route because I spent 5 weeks in quarantine in Korea and China trying to get back to my job in China and it sucked. The food would probably be better in Thailand, but it was just no fun at all. In Phuket, I can go outside and get exercise and enjoy the beautiful scenery and have sex. No contest in my book. From what it sounds like, I'll be able to find girls on ThaiFriendly who will fill the sex need and, if I can't get to Pattaya or Bangkok, so be it. I'll still have a great time. There's plenty to do and see on Phuket for a month.

You can read about the sandbox programs here:

[URL]https://www.thaiembassy.com/travel-to-thailand/no-quarantine-phuket-sandbox-plan[/URL]

I didn't want to deal with a lot of the hassles of finding insurance and everything, so I used this service to help me with the COE.

[URL]https://www.siam-legal.com/other-services/certificate-of-entry-thailand.php[/URL]#package2.

I am happy to provide the links to the insurance you need and the COVID testing and other stuff if you want to do the sandbox. Actually, it appears the links are in the first link I posted. The service was ok, but I now feel like I should have done it myself. And here is the site to actually fill out the COE. You need to do this no matter where you'll be flying into Thailand.

[URL]https://coethailand.mfa.go.th/regis/index?checkconfirm=true[/URL]

Oh, and it looks like the sandbox scheme is being expanded to include other destinations. Cool, I may use this because you can travel within the other sandboxes once you are in one sandbox.

[URL]https://www.tatnews.org/2021/08/thailand-confirms-phuket-sandbox-77-extension-now-in-effect/[/URL]

[QUOTE=CIMguy;2595119]The easiest way to come is through the Phuket or Samui sandbox programs. You can come into Bangkok or other places, but if you do, you will have to do a 2-week quarantine in a hotel where you cannot leave your room. If you come through one of the sandboxes, you can do your quarantine without staying in your room. You can't leave those islands during the two weeks, but after the two weeks, you can then travel within Thailand (there are travel restrictions, which you'll have to find based on when you are coming and where there are outbreaks).

So I don't know where you want to travel, but let's say you want to come to Pattaya. You could come into Bangkok and take a quarantine car to Pattaya and stay in a hotel there in your room for 2 weeks and then you would be in Pattaya and you could do what you wanted there. Or you could fly into Phuket and and spend 2 weeks hanging out at the beach and being outside your room, then travel to Pattaya freely (assuming there are no restrictions on travel to there) and spend the rest of your time in Pattaya.

Fly into Pattaya: Benefits. You'll be where you are trying to go, flight cost to Bangkok might be a little cheaper.

Fly into Pattaya: Downsides. You have to stay in your room for 2 weeks.

Fly to Phuket / Samui. Benefits - no quarantine in room, sex with ladies for those 2 weeks.

Fly to Phuket / Samui. Downsides - You'll have to find a way to get to Pattaya (I think there are cheap flights still running once or twice a week), cost might be a bit more (but not too much).

I am taking the Phuket sandbox route because I spent 5 weeks in quarantine in Korea and China trying to get back to my job in China and it sucked. The food would probably be better in Thailand, but it was just no fun at all. In Phuket, I can go outside and get exercise and enjoy the beautiful scenery and have sex. No contest in my book. From what it sounds like, I'll be able to find girls on ThaiFriendly who will fill the sex need and, if I can't get to Pattaya or Bangkok, so be it. I'll still have a great time. There's plenty to do and see on Phuket for a month.

You can read about the sandbox programs here:

[URL]https://www.thaiembassy.com/travel-to-thailand/no-quarantine-phuket-sandbox-plan[/URL]

I didn't want to deal with a lot of the hassles of finding insurance and everything, so I used this service to help me with the COE.

[URL]https://www.siam-legal.com/other-services/certificate-of-entry-thailand.php[/URL]#package2.

I am happy to provide the links to the insurance you need and the COVID testing and other stuff if you want to do the sandbox. Actually, it appears the links are in the first link I posted. The service was ok, but I now feel like I should have done it myself. And here is the site to actually fill out the COE. You need to do this no matter where you'll be flying into Thailand.

[URL]https://coethailand.mfa.go.th/regis/index?checkconfirm=true[/URL]

Oh, and it looks like the sandbox scheme is being expanded to include other destinations. Cool, I may use this because you can travel within the other sandboxes once you are in one sandbox.

[URL]https://www.tatnews.org/2021/08/thailand-confirms-phuket-sandbox-77-extension-now-in-effect/[/URL][/QUOTE]Coming from USA which airport would I transit thru to Phuket? USA airlines do not have direct flights to phuket. Flights to Hong Kong, Tokyo and Singapore.

Yes, I have always had difficult getting Colombian girls to kiss. It's almost always a no, at least in the P4 P category. And a lot of them have beautiful, luscious lips so it's difficult knowing up front your not going there. I have limited experience in Brazil so can't speak to that and somewhat better in PHP. Thai girls would kiss (even P4 P) but now with this Covid nonsense, I thought that would negatively impact their attitude and it appears it has. Like you are in inches of them regardless so not sure there is much of a difference in risk.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2594374]That is what separates Thailand, Philippines, Brazil, Colombia, etc. So depends on where you get your prostitutes as to what they usually do or like to do.[/QUOTE]

Yes, I have always had difficult getting Colombian girls to kiss. It's almost always a no, at least in the P4 P category. And a lot of them have beautiful, luscious lips so it's difficult knowing up front your not going there. I have limited experience in Brazil so can't speak to that and somewhat better in PHP. Thai girls would kiss (even P4 P) but now with this Covid nonsense, I thought that would negatively impact their attitude and it appears it has. Like you are in inches of them regardless so not sure there is much of a difference in risk.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2594374]That is what separates Thailand, Philippines, Brazil, Colombia, etc. So depends on where you get your prostitutes as to what they usually do or like to do.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=CIMguy;2595119]The easiest way to come is through the Phuket or Samui sandbox programs. You can come into Bangkok or other places, but if you do, you will have to do a 2-week quarantine in a hotel where you cannot leave your room. If you come through one of the sandboxes, you can do your quarantine without staying in your room. You can't leave those islands during the two weeks, but after the two weeks, you can then travel within Thailand (there are travel restrictions, which you'll have to find based on when you are coming and where there are outbreaks).

So I don't know where you want to travel, but let's say you want to come to Pattaya. You could come into Bangkok and take a quarantine car to Pattaya and stay in a hotel there in your room for 2 weeks and then you would be in Pattaya and you could do what you wanted there. Or you could fly into Phuket and and spend 2 weeks hanging out at the beach and being outside your room, then travel to Pattaya freely (assuming there are no restrictions on travel to there) and spend the rest of your time in Pattaya.

Fly into Pattaya: Benefits. You'll be where you are trying to go, flight cost to Bangkok might be a little cheaper.

Fly into Pattaya: Downsides. You have to stay in your room for 2 weeks.

Fly to Phuket / Samui. Benefits - no quarantine in room, sex with ladies for those 2 weeks.
[/QUOTE]Even when there have been announced restrictions private cars will transport you anywhere in thailand for reasonable rates. Easy to find a drive thru FB expat groups. As long as you don't mind a long car ride getting to patts after sandbox is no problem.

[QUOTE=Dg8787;2595538]Coming from USA which airport would I transit thru to Phuket? USA airlines do not have direct flights to phuket. Flights to Hong Kong, Tokyo and Singapore.[/QUOTE]Many people are coming through Singapore.

Daily Singapore to Phuket flights.

[QUOTE=Dg8787;2595538]Coming from USA which airport would I transit thru to Phuket? USA airlines do not have direct flights to phuket. Flights to Hong Kong, Tokyo and Singapore.[/QUOTE]I am going from China, so I'm using HK. I'm not sure which is best from the US. I have a 16 hour layover in HK, so that's not going to be fun.

I received an email about my COE and it's been approved. It's a happy day.

Weirdly, I joined a few facebook groups yesterday about jobs in my field in Thailand and I had two places email me for my CV. I then met with one this afternoon and she offered me a job on the spot. It's on Phuket in one of the non-Patong towns sometimes mentioned on this forum and the pay is 90 K baht per month. I only plan to do this for one year, so I'm thinking I should just at the chance. 90 K a month seems like plenty to find an apartment, pay for stuff, have some fun, and still save some money. I was looking at AirBNB places and it looks like I can get a nice smallish one bedroom with a kitchen for like 10 k baht per month.

I have to let her know by the end of the week if I'm taking it. I won't be able to monger as much as originally intended because I'll need to be respectable, but there will certainly be time for it. And I can stay for a year instead of 45 days.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D3PDOhHP6oI[/URL]

There are many folk doing informative videos on BKKand Pattaya. Here is an excellent one on why not to go to Thailand. Such a mess.

[QUOTE=PedroMorales;2596317][URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D3PDOhHP6oI[/URL]

There are many folk doing informative videos on BKKand Pattaya. Here is an excellent one on why not to go to Thailand. Such a mess.[/QUOTE]Thanks mate very informative. I have found quite big content there.

[QUOTE=PedroMorales;2596317][URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D3PDOhHP6oI[/URL]

There are many folk doing informative videos on BKKand Pattaya. Here is an excellent one on why not to go to Thailand. Such a mess.[/QUOTE]That is what we call an anecdote, a sample of one. He chose to go to Phuket on the day the whole thing started and he ran into trouble because they were still figuring things out and didn't have everything in place. Thailand probably deserves some criticism for that, but those issues don't seem to be a problem anymore. They provide links for you to get insurance and book hotels and pay / schedule for testing. I had some troubles because their payment system didn't work from China, but that wasn't Thailand's fault. I have had similar problems with those types of payments from here. Otherwise, it's been a breeze. I got confirmation in 3 days and my hotel was really helpful. Maybe something will derail everything, but if that happens, it will most likely be because the virus conditions have changed, which wouldn't really be their fault. I have a super long layover in HK and then I'm sure I'll be at the Phuket airport for hours, but I am going in with a good attitude and that will get me through it without the need to make a whiny youtube video. I survived 2 weeks of lockdown hotel quarantine in Korea followed by 3 weeks lockdown quarantine in China, with similarly long horrible days and horrible food, so I surely can survive one bad day to enter Phuket sandbox. The next day I'll be in the pool and on the beach and in my bed with some beauty wrapped around me. I can deal with one really long crappy day.

[QUOTE=PedroMorales;2596317][URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D3PDOhHP6oI[/URL]

There are many folk doing informative videos on BKKand Pattaya. Here is an excellent one on why not to go to Thailand. Such a mess.[/QUOTE]That video should be totally disregarded.

Early days were early days.

He took a punt on coming at the very start when he and everyone was told everything was subject to change.

He's just a whinger and whiner.

Everything is way smoother than this now, there is no mess.

If you don't expect fluid paperwork and rules, then don't travel.

Stay home, the new world of traveling is dramatically different.

He also talks fuck all in the video about why he wanted to come, and whether that was delivered.

Look at the FB groups on Phuket Sandbox if you want a balanced view.

And if you're coming for the sex and the girls.

I can tell you now, that they're here and you won't be disappointed.

[QUOTE=CIMguy;2596191]I received an email about my COE and it's been approved. It's a happy day.

Weirdly, I joined a few facebook groups yesterday about jobs in my field in Thailand and I had two places email me for my CV. I then met with one this afternoon and she offered me a job on the spot. It's on Phuket in one of the non-Patong towns sometimes mentioned on this forum and the pay is 90 K baht per month. I only plan to do this for one year, so I'm thinking I should just at the chance. 90 K a month seems like plenty to find an apartment, pay for stuff, have some fun, and still save some money. I was looking at AirBNB places and it looks like I can get a nice smallish one bedroom with a kitchen for like 10 k baht per month.

I have to let her know by the end of the week if I'm taking it. I won't be able to monger as much as originally intended because I'll need to be respectable, but there will certainly be time for it. And I can stay for a year instead of 45 days.[/QUOTE]If you're interested then jump on it.

As 90 K a month is very good money here.

I would skip the airBnBs, look at condos when you get here and settled.

Lost of options on a 10 K per month budget.

[QUOTE=PedroMorales;2596317][URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D3PDOhHP6oI[/URL]

There are many folk doing informative videos on BKKand Pattaya. Here is an excellent one on why not to go to Thailand. Such a mess.[/QUOTE]I have been mongering in Pattaya since 2004, and I have never had such a good time as this year.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2596573]I have been mongering in Pattaya since 2004, and I have never had such a good time as this year.[/QUOTE]So you keep telling us all. Not to be rude but reports like yours are of marginal interest to me or most others. There are similar folk to you living in the Philippines and the same applies with them. They are either fantasists who lie they have sex with hookers or they are obsessed with pictures of vaginas. They are like those nutters who send dick pics to hookers.

The Phuket sandbox picture was informative as it gave a take on getting into Thailand under current conditions. Based on that video, it is far too much hassle for too little return.

The other videos I drew attention to were walkabout videos showing how dead Pattaya, Bkk etc are now. The best of those videos serve two purposes. They show how very hard Thais have it at the moment. They show if one goes to Pattaya, one goes to a ghost town.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gvxy8SwFEx8[/URL]

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vEWced7REXg&t=1088s[/URL]

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d6zfhZDvkvE&t=433s[/URL]

These three dudes are doing videos. Interesting to see it is a ghost town.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2596573]I have been mongering in Pattaya since 2004, and I have never had such a good time as this year.[/QUOTE]You are very lucky. Most of us sequestered in sex prison are envious of you. Continue to enjoy and report.

I have been coming here since the mid 90's, usually staying only a month at a time. Decided to get a condo here about 3 years ago and aim to stay 9 months of each year. Been here throughout the shit storm that is covid.

I personally think it is a lot worse at the moment compared to pre covid. Most of the super stars have gone to ground and there is not much of any new talent coming through. Yes, there are the usual suspects still here, lots of 5's and 6's but no fresh hotties coming to town. My number of doable girls in my phone has steadily dropped since 2020.

Adding to this there is not much to do at the moment, everywhere is locked down. Bars have more or less been shut since Songkran (April). Even before this the bars were struggling as there have been no foreign tourists here since Feb 2020 so little in the way of new hotties, customers or atmosphere.

I am hoping for things to get moving again in 2022 so there will be some fresh talent coming through and hopefully more things to do at night.

[QUOTE=MaxBkk;2596740]

I am hoping for things to get moving again in 2022 so there will be some fresh talent coming through and hopefully more things to do at night.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2596573]I have been mongering in Pattaya since 2004, and I have never had such a good time as this year.[/QUOTE]I'm not going to comment on the accuracy of anyone's post but I will say that it's not uncommon to see two people with wildly different views of the same place at the same time. It's just horses for courses:. Different people enjoy different things.

We had the same thing in the Angeles City thread pre pandemic: some guys lamented the change for the worse in the bar culture while other were posting about the great times they were having.

The solution is pretty simple:. If you don't like what you are seeing or reading, move on to what you find more enjoyable. No-one is holding a gun to your head keeping you there.

[QUOTE=MaxBkk;2596740]I have been coming here since the mid 90's, usually staying only a month at a time. Decided to get a condo here about 3 years ago and aim to stay 9 months of each year. Been here throughout the shit storm that is covid.

I personally think it is a lot worse at the moment compared to pre covid. Most of the super stars have gone to ground and there is not much of any new talent coming through. Yes, there are the usual suspects still here, lots of 5's and 6's but no fresh hotties coming to town. My number of doable girls in my phone has steadily dropped since 2020.

Adding to this there is not much to do at the moment, everywhere is locked down. Bars have more or less been shut since Songkran (April). Even before this the bars were struggling as there have been no foreign tourists here since Feb 2020 so little in the way of new hotties, customers or atmosphere.

I am hoping for things to get moving again in 2022 so there will be some fresh talent coming through and hopefully more things to do at night.[/QUOTE]Yep, if you want gogo superstars or fresh girls, Pattaya would be worthless.

But if you like gentlemens club ladies who are eager to please, there is no lack.

Pre-Covid, I rarely went to gogos, I hit the GCs, they were my staple. Or other bars on Soi Chaiyapoon. And rarely went to Soi 6 looking for fresh talent.

The rumor is that restaurants will open in September, so my lady friends may be working again, and I can stop with the 5 ladies a day routine.

[QUOTE=PedroMorales;2596599]So you keep telling us all. Not to be rude but reports like yours are of marginal interest to me or most others. There are similar folk to you living in the Philippines and the same applies with them. They are either fantasists who lie they have sex with hookers or they are obsessed with pictures of vaginas. They are like those nutters who send dick pics to hookers.

The Phuket sandbox picture was informative as it gave a take on getting into Thailand under current conditions. Based on that video, it is far too much hassle for too little return.

The other videos I drew attention to were walkabout videos showing how dead Pattaya, Bkk etc are now. The best of those videos serve two purposes. They show how very hard Thais have it at the moment. They show if one goes to Pattaya, one goes to a ghost town.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gvxy8SwFEx8[/URL]

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vEWced7REXg&t=1088s[/URL]

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d6zfhZDvkvE&t=433s[/URL]

These three dudes are doing videos. Interesting to see it is a ghost town.[/QUOTE]I don't really see Pattaya, since the ladies come to me, and I basically make the run to Foodmart for supplies every day or two. So, I don't get out much.

I plan to take the baht bus to Soi Honey tomorrow to try to get a haircut, and then I will see the long blocks of closed shops.

As far as photos of vaginas, I get plenty of real ones every day. Too many to really remember what they like. But it's not all great, I had one lady who claimed she came in 2 minutes, maybe 3 or 4 times yesterday, but if you know bargirls, that's how they get customers to stop touching them, they claim they came.

I am seeing ladies from a bunch who live together, and when they get drunk and naked, they write their names over each other with a ballpoint pen. I don't know what that's about. They go back to their place covered in ink and show the other ladies. Weird.

On the good news front, I am told that 5000 people a day are vaccinated, Monday. Friday. Some of my lady friends have now had their first shot. That means that Pattaya will have some decent coverage later this year.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2596728]You are very lucky. Most of us sequestered in sex prison are envious of you. Continue to enjoy and report.[/QUOTE]I hope you can make it to Tijuana, at least. I made a quick run to Tijuana in April, I hit Hong Kong and Adelitas, stayed at Cascadas for 3 nights. Unlike my Thai, which is worthless, my Spanish is excellent, so Mexico is super for me.

[QUOTE=MaxBkk;2596740]I have been coming here since the mid 90's, usually staying only a month at a time. Decided to get a condo here about 3 years ago and aim to stay 9 months of each year. Been here throughout the shit storm that is covid.…[/QUOTE]I've been to BKK (5-day trip) and to Phuket multiple times.

Though I dream about owning a condo in a big city, e. G, Paris, Lisbon, Tokyo, etc. , I found BKK to be noisy, crowded but frankly, the city with the most beautiful girls I've ever see!

So my question is, if you live in BKK 9 months a year, do you get bored or do you use BKK as a base to explore Thailand and the rest of Asia?

Or maybe share why you chose to buy a condo in BKK? Very interesting to hear your story. And thanks in advance for sharing!

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2596852]I hope you can make it to Tijuana, at least. I made a quick run to Tijuana in April, I hit Hong Kong and Adelitas, stayed at Cascadas for 3 nights. Unlike my Thai, which is worthless, my Spanish is excellent, so Mexico is super for me.[/QUOTE]Hi Explorer8939.

Planning to go to Tijuana in September.

2 Quick (Q's) regarding Cascadas.

How much did you pay for room per night?

Did you make reservation, or just do a walk-in?

Thanks.

TC.

[QUOTE=Tcvve;2596904]Hi Explorer8939.

Planning to go to Tijuana in September.

2 Quick (Q's) regarding Cascadas.

How much did you pay for room per night?

Did you make reservation, or just do a walk-in?

Thanks.

TC.[/QUOTE]I made a reservation.

The cost is complicated because I had a VIP card. Also, I went during the week, when rooms are much cheaper. I believe they retail about $100 for a jacuzzi suite.

[QUOTE=Vendelo;2596874]I've been to BKK (5-day trip) and to Phuket multiple times.

Though I dream about owning a condo in a big city, e. G, Paris, Lisbon, Tokyo, etc. , I found BKK to be noisy, crowded but frankly, the city with the most beautiful girls I've ever see!

So my question is, if you live in BKK 9 months a year, do you get bored or do you use BKK as a base to explore Thailand and the rest of Asia?

Or maybe share why you chose to buy a condo in BKK? Very interesting to hear your story. And thanks in advance for sharing![/QUOTE]I have a condo in Pratumnak. Once Covid is over, I will return to my practice of taking frequent trips, to places like Macau, KL, Singapore, etc.

[QUOTE=CIMguy;2596191]I received an email about my COE and it's been approved. It's a happy day.

Weirdly, I joined a few facebook groups yesterday about jobs in my field in Thailand and I had two places email me for my CV. I then met with one this afternoon and she offered me a job on the spot. It's on Phuket in one of the non-Patong towns sometimes mentioned on this forum and the pay is 90 K baht per month. I only plan to do this for one year, so I'm thinking I should just at the chance. 90 K a month seems like plenty to find an apartment, pay for stuff, have some fun, and still save some money. I was looking at AirBNB places and it looks like I can get a nice smallish one bedroom with a kitchen for like 10 k baht per month.

I have to let her know by the end of the week if I'm taking it. I won't be able to monger as much as originally intended because I'll need to be respectable, but there will certainly be time for it. And I can stay for a year instead of 45 days.[/QUOTE]Can we trust these fb pages. Because they don't have much guarantee. Once I was invited to a event. But there weren't anything which were mentioned in the event page.

[QUOTE=Vendelo;2596874]I've been to BKK (5-day trip) and to Phuket multiple times.

Though I dream about owning a condo in a big city, e. G, Paris, Lisbon, Tokyo, etc. , I found BKK to be noisy, crowded but frankly, the city with the most beautiful girls I've ever see!

So my question is, if you live in BKK 9 months a year, do you get bored or do you use BKK as a base to explore Thailand and the rest of Asia?

Or maybe share why you chose to buy a condo in BKK? Very interesting to hear your story. And thanks in advance for sharing![/QUOTE]I have been a small business / digital nomad for the last 25 years. My current situation made sense to be based in Asia. So through the process of elimination I decided on Bangkok.

4 Other cities that I have spent time in and considered: Singapore (a little boring, poor value for money, great hub and infrastructure), Hong Kong (Same as Singapore but much more lively, but the China Factor is a deal breaker), Kuala Lumpur (a little boring but does provide great value for money, good infrastructure, ok as a hub), Saigon (great value for money, infrastructure for my line of work not quite there, amazing women, Really Amazing Women!

Decided on Bangkok due to good infrastructure where I live (Ploenchit - 2 BTS stops from Siam), Great Food, Territorial Tax regime (which is nice! Easy living, good hub for visiting the rest of Thailand as well as Air links to Europe / Middle East / Asia. I think much more beautiful and fun women can be found in Vietnam, Hong Kong and or even Philippines. However in a city of 10 m souls you can easily find 1 or 10 hotties that will rock your world.

I think I will use BKK as a base for next 3 to 5 years, then I will be 50 and probably head to Europe. There are some very tasty women in the south of Europe.

[QUOTE=Vendelo;2596874]I've been to BKK (5-day trip) and to Phuket multiple times.

Though I dream about owning a condo in a big city, e. G, Paris, Lisbon, Tokyo, etc. , I found BKK to be noisy, crowded but frankly, the city with the most beautiful girls I've ever see!

So my question is, if you live in BKK 9 months a year, do you get bored or do you use BKK as a base to explore Thailand and the rest of Asia?

Or maybe share why you chose to buy a condo in BKK? Very interesting to hear your story. And thanks in advance for sharing![/QUOTE]A follow up in relation to getting bored.

Pre covid. Work during the day, GF comes over 2 to 3 days per week. Hit a club 1 or 2 nights per week with a few fellow minded deviates. Maybe slip into a massage 1 or 2 days per week. Grab street food every day, cheap but excellent restaurants every night. Friends / acquaintances / family visiting from other countries. Bangkok is a great city. Never get bored.

During Covid. Most of everything is shut or limping along. Yes it is boring, but so are most places in the world at the moment.

[QUOTE=CIMguy;2596462]That is what we call an anecdote, a sample of one. He chose to go to Phuket on the day the whole thing started and he ran into trouble because they were still figuring things out and didn't have everything in place. Thailand probably deserves some criticism for that, but those issues don't seem to be a problem anymore. They provide links for you to get insurance and book hotels and pay / schedule for testing. I had some troubles because their payment system didn't work from China, but that wasn't Thailand's fault. I have had similar problems with those types of payments from here. Otherwise, it's been a breeze. I got confirmation in 3 days and my hotel was really helpful. Maybe something will derail everything, but if that happens, it will most likely be because the virus conditions have changed, which wouldn't really be their fault. I have a super long layover in HK and then I'm sure I'll be at the Phuket airport for hours, but I am going in with a good attitude and that will get me through it without the need to make a whiny youtube video. I survived 2 weeks of lockdown hotel quarantine in Korea followed by 3 weeks lockdown quarantine in China, with similarly long horrible days and horrible food, so I surely can survive one bad day to enter Phuket sandbox. The next day I'll be in the pool and on the beach and in my bed with some beauty wrapped around me. I can deal with one really long crappy day.[/QUOTE]Nah, you'll be fine.

You don't sound like a whinger.

Not like the video maker, and many others around who like to complain that their glass isn't full any more.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2596852]I hope you can make it to Tijuana, at least. I made a quick run to Tijuana in April, I hit Hong Kong and Adelitas, stayed at Cascadas for 3 nights. Unlike my Thai, which is worthless, my Spanish is excellent, so Mexico is super for me.[/QUOTE]I'm a scaredy cat when it comes to covid. Mexico does not look enticing at all. The Dominican Republic looks best of all, I'm seriously considering a trip there.

[URL]https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-58334979[/URL]

Long term mongers will know how useful plastic bags are to simulate suicide in farangs after a robbery; it is a kind of standing joke, like suicide by six bullets to the head.

The importance of this report is a BKK police chief is in the soup for checking out a drug addict with a plastic bag.

[URL]https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9930171/Montenegro-Thailand-added-travel-red-list.html[/URL]

The British government have put Thailand as well as the cigarette smuggling Mecca of Montengro on the red no fly list. You can now go to Liechenstein (how I don't know) if you have any billions to launder.

The importance of Thailand is it is currently an expensive pain in the neck to go there and I don't imagine Brits are pouring into the Phuket sandbox like a Dunkirk in reverse.

The comments section make plain what people think of this latest part of the Great Reset scam. Illegal migrants pouring in, Afghanistan being evacuated and now this.

Anyone following the Special Olympics in Tokyo? Why is that lark in the park going ahead and honest hookers in Thailand and elsewhere are denied their means to buy rice?

School holidays are over so this should be a time for more space on places. Plenty of space now but peasants are not allowed fly.

[URL]https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-58352441[/URL]

Jo Ferrari, the cop boss who suffocated a suspect to death by the farang tested method of putting multiple plastic bags over his head, has surrendered. And given a presconference.

The link also includes a Thai cop giving cops big "bonuses" for catching someone.

[URL]https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9957855/British-pensioner-72-survived-three-days-lost-Thai-jungle-drinking-rainwater-puddles.html[/URL]

Thank God they found the handsome man or the whole village would go short.

I logged onto TF today and discovered their web site has been redesigned. I'm not a paying member at this time so unable to fully check out the redesign.

[QUOTE=Vendelo;2601240]I logged onto TF today and discovered their web site has been redesigned. I'm not a paying member at this time so unable to fully check out the redesign.[/QUOTE]Oddly, I didn't notice any changes. Perhaps they're rolling out the redesign only for certain users.

[QUOTE=PedroMorales;2601047][URL]https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9957855/British-pensioner-72-survived-three-days-lost-Thai-jungle-drinking-rainwater-puddles.html[/URL]

Thank God they found the handsome man or the whole village would go short.[/QUOTE]The article indicates there are bears in the jungle. Is that accurate? I've never heard that before.

[QUOTE=MaxBkk;2597082]A follow up in relation to getting bored.

Pre covid. Work during the day, GF comes over 2 to 3 days per week. Hit a club 1 or 2 nights per week with a few fellow minded deviates. Maybe slip into a massage 1 or 2 days per week. Grab street food every day, cheap but excellent restaurants every night. Friends / acquaintances / family visiting from other countries. Bangkok is a great city. Never get bored.

During Covid. Most of everything is shut or limping along. Yes it is boring, but so are most places in the world at the moment.[/QUOTE]Yes, I have lived during the winter months in Bangkok for the past four out of seven years. The winter of 2021 I skipped due to Covid. And my schedule is quite similar to yours except that I am retired so my routine is a bit different than yours but plenty of time to enjoy deviant behavior along with many cultural attractions. Also, I use Bangkok as a base and travel to different places in Asia. Flights are inexpensive and short and I have visited Laos, Burma, Bali and Indonesia, Malaysia, Cambodia and Vietnam. In March 2020, I went to Hoi An, Vietnam for the second year in a row with a foray to Hue and some time spent in DaNang. Unfortunately, by then Covid had reared it's ugly head so I had to quickly change plans to return to my home country. But, I usually stay about three months in Bangkok and other Asian places and leave in early April when the heat arrives, traveling from there to Europe and then home to US.

[QUOTE=Allover;2601473]The article indicates there are bears in the jungle. Is that accurate? I've never heard that before.[/QUOTE]There is an Asiatic black bear found in several Asian countries but to the best of my knowledge I have never heard of a bear spotted in Thailand. They are known to be in Bhutan, areas of China and Burma and also Taiwan. Maybe the article meant beer?

[QUOTE=Tomasb;2601782]Yes, I have lived during the winter months in Bangkok for the past four out of seven years. The winter of 2021 I skipped due to Covid. And my schedule is quite similar to yours except that I am retired so my routine is a bit different than yours but plenty of time to enjoy deviant behavior along with many cultural attractions. Also, I use Bangkok as a base and travel to different places in Asia. Flights are inexpensive and short and I have visited Laos, Burma, Bali and Indonesia, Malaysia, Cambodia and Vietnam. In March 2020, I went to Hoi An, Vietnam for the second year in a row with a foray to Hue and some time spent in DaNang. Unfortunately, by then Covid had reared it's ugly head so I had to quickly change plans to return to my home country. But, I usually stay about three months in Bangkok and other Asian places and leave in early April when the heat arrives, traveling from there to Europe and then home to US.[/QUOTE]Nice! That is the way to live your life.

How long could I stay if I can't do a visa run? I usually like to stay five months. Thanks.

[QUOTE=Horatio;2603215]How long could I stay if I can't do a visa run? I usually like to stay five months. Thanks.[/QUOTE]Your fucked or not. 555.

I was thinking of buying a bar type business in Southern Europe. It sounded like a good idea. It was hared to get prices and cash flow projections. But not impossible as good, clean folk have the same idea. Here is what I learned and how it related to Thailand and this forum.

1. Most people with similar dreams are total dreamers and wasters.

2. I have tracked down some folk. Americans - who have done this and are still starry eyed. A massive amount of work upfront and ongoing.

Bottom line: Absolutely no f-g way. Now that is with respectable people, Europeans in the main. Factor in Thai bar girls, corrupt Thai cops, yabba and the answer is no f-g way. It is amazing what a tight LBFM pussy does to pussies.

[QUOTE=Allover;2601473]The article indicates there are bears in the jungle. Is that accurate? I've never heard that before.[/QUOTE]Thailand has black bears and sun bears, as well as the bears of Boyztown. Sun bears, as the world's smallest bears, are timid and are often kept as pets but, with cubs, they can go ape shit. They are reclusive so you get them wherever there is dense forest and no dumb ass hunters or loggers. Though the black bear likes to attack humans (Buddha has some work to do there yet), when I hiked in bear country, a bell was enough so they would disappear.

Bangkok (AFP) - Thailand plans to reopen Bangkok to fully vaccinated visitors in October.

Officials said on Friday (Sept 10), as the kingdom seeks to salvage a tourism industry hammered by the pandemic.

The Tourism Authority of Thailand said that from Oct 1, fully vaccinated foreign travellers will be able to visit Bangkok and four other provinces without undergoing two weeks' hotel quarantine.

Instead, the five areas. Also including Chiang Mai, Chon Buri, Phetchaburi and Prachuap Khiri Khan provinces. Are expected to follow a "sandbox" model of the type piloted since July in the holiday island of Phuket.

Under the sandbox scheme, tourists have to stay within a certain area for seven days after arrival and take Covid-19 tests.

[QUOTE=Polekaru;2603635]Bangkok (AFP) - Thailand plans to reopen Bangkok to fully vaccinated visitors in October.

Officials said on Friday (Sept 10), as the kingdom seeks to salvage a tourism industry hammered by the pandemic.

The Tourism Authority of Thailand said that from Oct 1, fully vaccinated foreign travellers will be able to visit Bangkok and four other provinces without undergoing two weeks' hotel quarantine.

Instead, the five areas. Also including Chiang Mai, Chon Buri, Phetchaburi and Prachuap Khiri Khan provinces. Are expected to follow a "sandbox" model of the type piloted since July in the holiday island of Phuket.

Under the sandbox scheme, tourists have to stay within a certain area for seven days after arrival and take Covid-19 tests.[/QUOTE]True? Between the lines of the message one still need to go through the process of obtaining the C. O. E. From the Thai Embassy then as the Phuket first set of visitors found out things can change while you are on the way.

[QUOTE=Horatio;2603215]How long could I stay if I can't do a visa run? I usually like to stay five months. Thanks.[/QUOTE]You could speak to a Visa Agency about getting a visa for 3 months after your visa on arrival is extended once (=60 days). It is relatively quick and easy to do.

Costs vary, but think $1200 for a year or half that for 3 months extension. Expensive yes, but you just average it out on a per month basis and write it off as a cost of doing business in the LOS.

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;2603745]True? Between the lines of the message one still need to go through the process of obtaining the C. O. E. From the Thai Embassy then as the Phuket first set of visitors found out things can change while you are on the way.[/QUOTE]I am in Thailand now, but want to go back to the US to handle some logistics. I am fully vaccinated and don't want to do 14 days quarantine, when returning to Thailand.

It's unclear how bad the new rules are going to be. I could probably do 7 days, but longer than that would be torture.

All these news reports about Thailand reopening on Oct 1 are misleading. For now, they're ALL Proposals. This Friday, Sept 17, Thailand's Center for COVID-19 Situation Administration, (CCSA) will meet to discuss these proposals. Once they decide on what to do, it's passed up to the PM for his signature. It becomes law once it's published in the Royal Gazette. Also the 9 p-4 a curfew is still ongoing. The CCSA said last week, they would discuss on the curfew at the end of this month. At this point no one knows what is going to happen. We'll know shortly.

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;2603745]True? Between the lines of the message one still need to go through the process of obtaining the C. O. E. From the Thai Embassy then as the Phuket first set of visitors found out things can change while you are on the way.[/QUOTE]I think that's a thing of the past. I haven't heard of any problems recently and I certainly had no problems. I had tons of problems getting on a plane in Beijing. The guy there deliberately tried to have me miss my plane. He kept finding problems with my stuff, even though everything was perfect. The only thing not perfect was my COVID test had one word in Chinese that was not translated to English. He kept me an extra 45 minutes at check-in for that, forcing me to call the testing center and get them to wechat me a new one, which he then made me wait 20 minutes while he printed it out. So Check-in total took 3.5 hours before I could even start making my way through immigration and security, which is extensive in Beijing. When I left check-in, I had 25 minutes before the flight. He told me not to worry because it was not far to the gate. Turns out I had to get on a shuttle bus, then there was yet another app to download and fill out and immigration and photos and security. I got to the plane 20 minutes after it was supposed to take off but it was delayed and I just made it. That guy really tried to make me miss my flight, which is par for the course in China. So glad I'm out of that hole.

I then had a 17 hour layover in Hong Kong, which wasn't quite as bad as it sounds. The only really bad part was trying to find a place to sleep because of construction and all the Chinese people playing on their phones without headphones.

In Thailand, I was through everything in less than 30 minutes and in a car to my hotel. I didn't stop to use the restroom coming out of the plane and that really helped. I was one of the first 20 people to get to the testing part. You just had to sit down in these chairs, download a short phone app, show people walking through the chairs your paperwork, then go over to a desk. Then out to baggage. Then to a testing line. Then to the cars. It was extremely efficient. The only thing that wasn't perfect is that we didn't use the app they told us we would use before we got there, so I had downloaded an app and filled it out and that was wasted effort. It took about 20 minutes.

Whenever a new soft ware comes out for a computer or a new phone is released, people run to be first. I never do because I know there are kinks to be worked out. I waited for the kinks to be worked out with the sandbox and it was smooth. Don't listen to the people who rushed to be first. Those people always have problems.

[QUOTE=CIMguy;2603868]I think that's a thing of the past. I haven't heard of any problems recently and I certainly had no problems. I had tons of problems getting on a plane in Beijing. The guy there deliberately tried to have me miss my plane. He kept finding problems with my stuff, even though everything was perfect. The only thing not perfect was my COVID test had one word in Chinese that was not translated to English. He kept me an extra 45 minutes at check-in for that, forcing me to call the testing center and get them to wechat me a new one, which he then made me wait 20 minutes while he printed it out. So Check-in total took 3.5 hours before I could even start making my way through immigration and security, which is extensive in Beijing. When I left check-in, I had 25 minutes before the flight. He told me not to worry because it was not far to the gate. Turns out I had to get on a shuttle bus, then there was yet another app to download and fill out and immigration and photos and security. I got to the plane 20 minutes after it was supposed to take off but it was delayed and I just made it. That guy really tried to make me miss my flight, which is par for the course in China. So glad I'm out of that hole.

I then had a 17 hour layover in Hong Kong, which wasn't quite as bad as it sounds. The only really bad part was trying to find a place to sleep because of construction and all the Chinese people playing on their phones without headphones.

In Thailand, I was through everything in less than 30 minutes and in a car to my hotel. I didn't stop to use the restroom coming out of the plane and that really helped. I was one of the first 20 people to get to the testing part. You just had to sit down in these chairs, download a short phone app, show people walking through the chairs your paperwork, then go over to a desk. Then out to baggage. Then to a testing line. Then to the cars. It was extremely efficient. The only thing that wasn't perfect is that we didn't use the app they told us we would use before we got there, so I had downloaded an app and filled it out and that was wasted effort. It took about 20 minutes.

Whenever a new soft ware comes out for a computer or a new phone is released, people run to be first. I never do because I know there are kinks to be worked out. I waited for the kinks to be worked out with the sandbox and it was smooth. Don't listen to the people who rushed to be first. Those people always have problems.[/QUOTE]Your story outside of the see. O. E. Doesn't really bother me I've not been a world traveler like many of you but shit happens right? But regardless of your story of getting to Phuket may be a bit different since the Thais leaders have such high regard for the CCP, they would wave or do anything to get those high spenders here. I wonder back last year when they did the bubble for the first time for the Chinese the leaders projected thousand would come when the date came in Sept, they finally had to admit no one applied but a week later a small planeload arrived I wonder how in a week so many applied for the Certificate of Entry and got clearance a week before no one applied?

Regardless, we disagree coming from the States, in spite of all the optimistic news by the leader here of opening you still need to apply for the see. O. E. Nothing regarding the rules of being relaxed except the shortening of the quarantine when one arrives. Because of the uncertainty Airlines from the States are still limited, then you still got the insurance requiring $100,000 USD in coverage for the Covid which within the fine print will only cover you within a certain situation (timing).

Until those restrictions are clearly removed I won't be hopping on any aircraft when there are so many?

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;2604003]Your story outside of the see. O. E. Doesn't really bother me I've not been a world traveler like many of you but shit happens right? But regardless of your story of getting to Phuket may be a bit different since the Thais leaders have such high regard for the CCP, they would wave or do anything to get those high spenders here. I wonder back last year when they did the bubble for the first time for the Chinese the leaders projected thousand would come when the date came in Sept, they finally had to admit no one applied but a week later a small planeload arrived I wonder how in a week so many applied for the Certificate of Entry and got clearance a week before no one applied?

Regardless, we disagree coming from the States, in spite of all the optimistic news by the leader here of opening you still need to apply for the see. O. E. Nothing regarding the rules of being relaxed except the shortening of the quarantine when one arrives. Because of the uncertainty Airlines from the States are still limited, then you still got the insurance requiring $100,000 USD in coverage for the Covid which within the fine print will only cover you within a certain situation (timing).

Until those restrictions are clearly removed I won't be hopping on any aircraft when there are so many?[/QUOTE]I still had to do all of those things. I had to get insurance, the COE, and everything. Everything took about as long as it said it would on the website. Most everything is just a few clicks and filling out some forms. I did it all in a few hours. Not a big deal.

I have heard some people have trouble getting the hotel to do their part quickly, but my hotel (Austrian garden) was really good. They allow girls, who just have to give their ID, and it's very clean. No problems. I had some trouble with payment of the COVID tests because I was in China and the hotel just paid it for me and I repaid them.

And I came through Hong Kong, so very few of the people on the flight were Chinese. They are getting very few people from China, I think. Most people on my flight were American or European. They have a setup. I can't imagine they change the setup based on who is on the flight. That would be madness. It's quick and easy on arrival. I went to get my second covid test the other day. I was in and out in 15 minutes. I think people are overestimating how much trouble it all is. Don't get turned off by the COE. Just follow the links on the website and fill things out. You don't even need a visa as an American. I posted links earlier, but let me know if you need them again. This is easy. Come to Thailand! The people here need us.

[QUOTE=CIMguy;2604515]I still had to do all of those things. I had to get insurance, the COE, and everything. Everything took about as long as it said it would on the website. Most everything is just a few clicks and filling out some forms. I did it all in a few hours. Not a big deal.

I have heard some people have trouble getting the hotel to do their part quickly, but my hotel (Austrian garden) was really good. They allow girls, who just have to give their ID, and it's very clean. No problems. I had some trouble with payment of the COVID tests because I was in China and the hotel just paid it for me and I repaid them.

And I came through Hong Kong, so very few of the people on the flight were Chinese. They are getting very few people from China, I think. Most people on my flight were American or European. They have a setup. I can't imagine they change the setup based on who is on the flight. That would be madness. It's quick and easy on arrival. I went to get my second covid test the other day. I was in and out in 15 minutes. I think people are overestimating how much trouble it all is. Don't get turned off by the COE. Just follow the links on the website and fill things out. You don't even need a visa as an American. I posted links earlier, but let me know if you need them again. This is easy. Come to Thailand! The people here need us.[/QUOTE]What I mean is? Your first report basically outside of obtaining the see. O. E. " I have tons of gettings on the plane in Beijing " " etc. For someone like myself who wants to plan a trip back home who lives in Thailand with an IMM-O extension that needs to be within a specific time frame not a lot of flexibility if there is a delayed? All my trips in the past have been 14 days at best even when I had a resident the last few years I booked a hotel within those 14 days I had commitments daily whatever time I had to myself was getting up a 5 am and having breakfast and reading the local paper.

Personally, I don't have time to apply for a C. O. E. And wait for permission to leave, arrange a quarantined hotel, purchase insurance, which in the case of a long stay in Thailand buying a policy to match my extension is just a money grab agreement made between the insurance companies and the government leaders. Then the policy of quarantine for someone like myself who already has a home here in Pattaya like everyone else must quarantine the family can't visit or have a contact at the facility but is allowed to leave during the day visit the family at the home then return at night. Does that even make sense to the human mind?

My flight booking my situation is leaving on a specific day and return no delays I just don't have the flexibility any delay is a hardship having something like a communist fucker trying to delay my flight because he has a hair up his ass is secondary.

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;2606198]What I mean is? Your first report basically outside of obtaining the see. O. E. " I have tons of gettings on the plane in Beijing " " etc. For someone like myself who wants to plan a trip back home who lives in Thailand with an IMM-O extension that needs to be within a specific time frame not a lot of flexibility if there is a delayed? All my trips in the past have been 14 days at best even when I had a resident the last few years I booked a hotel within those 14 days I had commitments daily whatever time I had to myself was getting up a 5 am and having breakfast and reading the local paper.

Personally, I don't have time to apply for a C. O. E. And wait for permission to leave, arrange a quarantined hotel, purchase insurance, which in the case of a long stay in Thailand buying a policy to match my extension is just a money grab agreement made between the insurance companies and the government leaders. Then the policy of quarantine for someone like myself who already has a home here in Pattaya like everyone else must quarantine the family can't visit or have a contact at the facility but is allowed to leave during the day visit the family at the home then return at night. Does that even make sense to the human mind?

My flight booking my situation is leaving on a specific day and return no delays I just don't have the flexibility any delay is a hardship having something like a communist fucker trying to delay my flight because he has a hair up his ass is secondary.[/QUOTE]Obviously everyone's situation is different, but I was just saying it's really not that bad of a time commitment to get here. I think I spent 3 hours doing everything if you discount the trouble I had using one of the pay portals from China. Most people don't have a place in Pattaya like you. For you, maybe it's not worth it. I just don't want people to think this is some terrible task like it was for the first people who tried it. The system is running pretty well, I think. I hope. You can make it here soon. Maybe the news of relaxing some of the obstacles will help you.

I also didn't want people to think it was somehow easier for me because I was coming from China. It wasn't. In fact, it may have been harder because getting a covid test and getting an English copy of everything is a pain there. Then the stuff at the airport. Plus, I was working 60-70 hours a week at a boarding school and I had other things going on because I was moving here and also looking for a job. I had to carve out time to do it. Most people won't have those obstacles.

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;2604003]I wonder back last year when they did the bubble for the first time for the Chinese the leaders projected thousand would come when the date came in Sept, they finally had to admit no one applied but a week later a small planeload arrived I wonder how in a week so many applied for the Certificate of Entry and got clearance a week before no one applied?[/QUOTE]The 39 Chinese which were Thailand's 1st foreign tourists in 7 months (oct 2020) did not come through a travel bubble.

There was a 14 days quarantine in Thailand and another 14 days quarantine which became 21 days when going back to China.
Had there been a travel bubble between both countries that there would have been many more travelers but people aren't going to quarantine 5 weeks to spend a few days in Thailand.

"Under the program approved by the Thai Cabinet in September, foreign tourists who commit to a stay of at least 30 days are issued 90-day visas that can be renewed twice. After arriving, they must stay in government-approved quarantine at a hotel or hospital for 14 days and prove they have long-term accommodations. ".

[QUOTE=Sinofaguo;2606367]The 39 Chinese which were Thailand's 1st foreign tourists in 7 months (oct 2020) did not come through a travel bubble.

There was a 14 days quarantine in Thailand and another 14 days quarantine which became 21 days when going back to China.
Had there been a travel bubble between both countries that there would have been many more travelers but people aren't going to quarantine 5 weeks to spend a few days in Thailand.

"Under the program approved by the Thai Cabinet in September, foreign tourists who commit to a stay of at least 30 days are issued 90-day visas that can be renewed twice. After arriving, they must stay in government-approved quarantine at a hotel or hospital for 14 days and prove they have long-term accommodations. ".[/QUOTE]Thanks for the clarification there are so many ideas being thrown out by these leaders tough to keep track I guess they got so much criticism with the word bubble they started to be creative with names like " sandbox " I remember now about that particular program what I do know that was in fact the program a few days prior to the first plane arriving which they were making successful claims the had to admit they had no application yet a week or so later the first arrived with a bit over 100 passengers?

While they favor the Chinese so much everyone else had to jump through hopes for a see. O. E. Even for those like myself have investments here and carry an IMMG-O for 15 years, even Elite Visa had pretty much done the same how is that program going? A year back it was much tougher to obtain the see. O. E. There was nothing in place from my conversation with other Expat the Thai Embassy didn't even answer the phone? It is also a head-scratcher for a country that didn't create the Virus and put forth a vaccine in record time with very little data approved by the W. H. O. Still demands so much caution when returning to China? Thanks.

[QUOTE=CIMguy;2606327]Obviously everyone's situation is different, but I was just saying it's really not that bad of a time commitment to get here. I think I spent 3 hours doing everything if you discount the trouble I had using one of the pay portals from China. Most people don't have a place in Pattaya like you. For you, maybe it's not worth it. I just don't want people to think this is some terrible task like it was for the first people who tried it. The system is running pretty well, I think. I hope. You can make it here soon. Maybe the news of relaxing some of the obstacles will help you.

I also didn't want people to think it was somehow easier for me because I was coming from China. It wasn't. In fact, it may have been harder because getting a covid test and getting an English copy of everything is a pain there. Then the stuff at the airport. Plus, I was working 60-70 hours a week at a boarding school and I had other things going on because I was moving here and also looking for a job. I had to carve out time to do it. Most people won't have those obstacles.[/QUOTE]Nothing personal but that is what I'm trying to express everyone's situation is different. For the record, I here in Pattaya call it stuck whatever? I usually make a trip home to S. F. Once or twice a year particularly during the start of Chinese New Year, the last trip was at the beginning of 2020 as noted two weeks max I was lucky to leave when I did because by March it got bad and the lockdown. In reverse pretty much I owned in the States is gone particularly a resident so if a deadline isn't met by the Thai Embassy or a positive test prior to leaving for my scheduled flight that will cause a scramble to reset everything which includes the flight, hotel, etc.

My major reason for going home was to see my mother who passed away this March right after her 103rd Birthday, my little brother who is mentally challenged then my two nieces' financial Trust. My greatest resentment due to the pandemic I wasn't able to return and bury her personally with all the inconsistent obstacles in returning to Thailand. Leaving and not being able to return freely back to Thailand in a timely manner with a Thai family and its own problems not complaining puts things in reverse.

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;2606596]Thanks for the clarification there are so many ideas being thrown out by these leaders tough to keep track I guess they got so much criticism with the word bubble they started to be creative with names like " sandbox " I remember now about that particular program what I do know that was in fact the program a few days prior to the first plane arriving which they were making successful claims the had to admit they had no application yet a week or so later the first arrived with a bit over 100 passengers?

While they favor the Chinese so much everyone else had to jump through hopes for a see. O. E. Even for those like myself have investments here and carry an IMMG-O for 15 years, even Elite Visa had pretty much done the same how is that program going? A year back it was much tougher to obtain the see. O. E. There was nothing in place from my conversation with other Expat the Thai Embassy didn't even answer the phone? It is also a head-scratcher for a country that didn't create the Virus and put forth a vaccine in record time with very little data approved by the W. H. O. Still demands so much caution when returning to China? Thanks.[/QUOTE]You keep saying this but it isn't true. Chinese people still have to do a COE. I talked to a Chinese person in Phuket and he had to do it. It only took me two days to get my COE. It goes through the embassy so maybe the Thai Chinese embassy is just efficient or has little to do right now. But they do have to do COEs.

And I say this as someone who pretty much hates everything that has to do with China. I think they will destroy everything that is good about SE Asia if given the chance.

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;2606599]Nothing personal but that is what I'm trying to express everyone's situation is different. For the record, I here in Pattaya call it stuck whatever? I usually make a trip home to S. F. Once or twice a year particularly during the start of Chinese New Year, the last trip was at the beginning of 2020 as noted two weeks max I was lucky to leave when I did because by March it got bad and the lockdown. In reverse pretty much I owned in the States is gone particularly a resident so if a deadline isn't met by the Thai Embassy or a positive test prior to leaving for my scheduled flight that will cause a scramble to reset everything which includes the flight, hotel, etc.

My major reason for going home was to see my mother who passed away this March right after her 103rd Birthday, my little brother who is mentally challenged then my two nieces' financial Trust. My greatest resentment due to the pandemic I wasn't able to return and bury her personally with all the inconsistent obstacles in returning to Thailand. Leaving and not being able to return freely back to Thailand in a timely manner with a Thai family and its own problems not complaining puts things in reverse.[/QUOTE]I'm sorry about your mother, but it sounds like she lived a long life. 103? Wow.

I also understand hardship from this pandemic. I won't go into it here, but suffice to say my life was turned inside out.

Reports are that quarantine will be reduced to 7 days for vaccinated individuals on October 1.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2608920]Reports are that quarantine will be reduced to 7 days for vaccinated individuals on October 1.[/QUOTE]Hmmm, early 2022 is looking like a possibility.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2608951]Hmmm, early 2022 is looking like a possibility.[/QUOTE]It's 3 days to that the-day, it's not going to happen.

The Thai government still doesn't get it. A double vaccinated person is significantly less likely to test positive than a local Thai person at the moment. Any quarantine is pointless at the moment. Any Thais or foreigners with long term visas should be able to return to Thailand without quarantine. It is costly, a waste of time and achieves nothing.

The matter of whether to let tourists comes in is a more complicated. However the economy here is terrible right now. You would think it would be sensible to allow at least a small number in that have been double vaccinated. However, if there is even a 7 day quarantine those tourists are going to go somewhere else that has no quarantine. Thailand is not exactly the best place to go to at the moment, most tourists attractions are closed down or gone for good.

[QUOTE=MaxBkk;2608998]Thailand is not exactly the best place to go to at the moment, most tourists attractions are closed down or gone for good.[/QUOTE]That is why it doesn't really matter to the Thai economy if the quarantine is 14, 7, or 0 days. Even just curfew hours will keep many away.

I’ll come back when almost everything is open full hours and the primary restriction is proof of full vaccination.

[QUOTE=MaxBkk;2608998]The Thai government still doesn't get it. A double vaccinated person is significantly less likely to test positive than a local Thai person at the moment. Any quarantine is pointless at the moment. Any Thais or foreigners with long term visas should be able to return to Thailand without quarantine. It is costly, a waste of time and achieves nothing.
[/QUOTE]From my perspective the entire thing is pointless. I frequent countries such as Dominican Republic and Colombia where not even a test or vaccine is required to enter. There is no rash of tourists or locals returning home spreading covid in these places.

[QUOTE=MaxBkk;2608998]The Thai government still doesn't get it. A double vaccinated person is significantly less likely to test positive than a local Thai person at the moment. Any quarantine is pointless at the moment. Any Thais or foreigners with long term visas should be able to return to Thailand without quarantine. It is costly, a waste of time and achieves nothing.

The matter of whether to let tourists comes in is a more complicated. However the economy here is terrible right now. You would think it would be sensible to allow at least a small number in that have been double vaccinated. However, if there is even a 7 day quarantine those tourists are going to go somewhere else that has no quarantine. Thailand is not exactly the best place to go to at the moment, most tourists attractions are closed down or gone for good.[/QUOTE]I understand what you're saying about quarantine, but these decisions are also political and it's more complicated than you are making it. Forcing people to quarantine basically allows the govt to say that the foreigners didn't bring it with them. They got it in Thailand just like the locals do. Having no quarantine makes it so that Thais could say the foreigners are bringing it in and then the politicians get blowback. Even a double vaccinated person can still get sick and carry the virus and all it would take is one super spreader event for the politicians to get hammered. They are in a no-win situation, so they are trying to have some kind of quarantine to keep sick people from brining in more virus while also allowing enough freedom to lure tourists. It obviously isn't working, but it's not as simple as just saying "No Quarantine!" That said, I think they should make it easier for long stay visas and those kinds of things. Those people have been long-term supporters of the economy.

I really don't know what the answer is, but I get the issue is complex and very political. I would personally love to see them vaccinate everyone by mandate and open everything. The lack of tourism money really is a national emergency at this point. They have to get people here.

Let's get it!

[URL]https://aseannow.com/topic/1233166-thailand-to-scrap-quarantine-for-vaccinated-visitors-from-nov-1/[/URL]

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2609207]Let's get it!

[URL]https://aseannow.com/topic/1233166-thailand-to-scrap-quarantine-for-vaccinated-visitors-from-nov-1/[/URL][/QUOTE]This is good news, but be aware of what is being allowed and what's not. You still have to be double vaccinated, get a COE, stay in an approved hotel for seven days, get a PCR test before travelling and two while you are there, use a tracking app for the first seven days too. And the bars, clubs and gogo's will stay shut. Restaurants cannot serve alcohol too.

I'm also hearing chatter about the COE getting scrapped. But as usual the devil is in the details, even if the cabinet approves this nothing is final until it is published in the Royal Gazette.

[QUOTE=Downandup;2609294]This is good news, but be aware of what is being allowed and what's not. You still have to be double vaccinated, get a COE, stay in an approved hotel for seven days, get a PCR test before travelling and two while you are there, use a tracking app for the first seven days too. And the bars, clubs and gogo's will stay shut. Restaurants cannot serve alcohol too.[/QUOTE]If I was a vacationing visitor then I would not go anywhere near that place. It would be like taking a trip to 6 Flags when all the rides are shut down. Like an article that I read yesterday that they want Pattaya to be for business and leisure when it reopens, and not entertainment. I can not understand why these people are trying so hard to turn a golden goose into an old age regular egg laying hen. They refuse to acknowledge what draws people to Pattaya.

[QUOTE=Downandup;2609332]I'm also hearing chatter about the COE getting scrapped. But as usual the devil is in the details, even if the cabinet approves this nothing is final until it is published in the Royal Gazette.[/QUOTE]Zero chance the COE will disappear anytime soon.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2609633]Zero chance the COE will disappear anytime soon.[/QUOTE]I know of several interested singles, couples, and even families who will not be coming to Thailand. COE is just part of the reason. Until it is retired, no hope.

What to do if you schedule a lady and she doesn't show and messages you some excuse?

"I forgot".

"My cousin is sick".

"I cannot leave work now, no have other lady here".

Don't try to negotiate with them, ie, don't say "maybe you can come later" or otherwise try to resolve their issue. They don't want to resolve the issue. They probably got a better customer.

The correct response is:

"No problem, I see you next week."

GF from TF, last year. A great hunting ground.

Johnie.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2611977]

The correct response is:

"No problem, I see you next week."[/QUOTE]The correct response for me is, "ok" and let her slowly fade away.

P4 P is about fun, not being stood up. You be stood up by a GF, ok, you listen to the excuses and move passed it.

You be stood up by a purchase? Bye bye Somying. Plenty of very good looking girls available right now, it's a buyers market at the moment.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dtYww_ZKUcE[/URL]

Here is a video of a guy who checked out from the Bangkok Hilton. All of these factors have to be inputted in a risk / return scenario. Prior to first going to Thailand, I read that book which begins with a French guy using a razor blade to remove a tumor from another con's ear. I wonder how post Covid will impact on this establishment. I wonder how the farangs in there fared with Covid.

The only thing I miss in SE Asia is LBFM. I doubt many would miss this place.

[QUOTE=PedroMorales;2619472][URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dtYww_ZKUcE[/URL]

Here is a video of a guy who checked out from the Bangkok Hilton. [/QUOTE]I believe he is the only person that has escaped from the Bangkok Hilton. He has quite a life story, lucky to be alive and free.

I've been using generic Viagra and Cialis for years and they both effectively eliminate any ED problems. The problem is they both cause headache and nasty congestion for just as long as the ED problem is resolved. Levitra does nothing for me, no side effects, no boner.

In USA I recently tried Stendra. It's effective and the side effects are minimal. It also has a secondary advantage that it becomes effective very quickly, about half the time of Viagra. The problem with Stendra is price, about $60 per pill and there is no generic in USA. I'm planning my next trip to Thailand and was thinking about dropping $1500-$2000 on Stendra, that's a good chunk of money for me.

Is Stendra available in Thailand without a prescription? What is price and availability? Generic is fine, provided somebody has actually validated it performs like the name brand.

[QUOTE=HorseTrader;2620671]The problem with Stendra is price, about $60 per pill and there is no generic in USA. I'm planning my next trip to Thailand and was thinking about dropping $1500-$2000 on Stendra, that's a good chunk of money for me.[/QUOTE]The good chunk of money will be going to Customs to explain why you were trying to bring $2000 worth of prescription drugs into the country.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2620686]The good chunk of money will be going to Customs to explain why you were trying to bring $2000 worth of prescription drugs into the country.[/QUOTE]I believe he can legally bring 30 tablets back with a prescription. Prescription would have to state to take one a day. IF available in Thailand then purchase the 200 MG and cut it up as needed for a longer supply.

Online search does not show a generic. Then again this is the first time have heard about this ED med.

[URL]https://www.drugs.com/comments/avanafil/stendra.html[/URL]

Trump July 29, 2015.

For Erectile Dysfunction: "I like Stendra, no headaches like Cialis or Viagra did. I am 80 years old and have tried all methods. Injections with trimix, vacuum pump, and cock ring. I still have to use a cock ring to keep it up, but stendra works best, keeps me up with no side effects. Keep trying, never give up. I hope I have sex until they put me in the horizontal position."

9 / 10.

Not sure how legit this review is but, if I make 80, I won't be popping these pills. I laid off generic viagra maybe 10 years ago. I don't want any ticker issues.

[QUOTE=HorseTrader;2620671]. The problem with Stendra is price, about $60 per pill and there is no generic in USA. I'm planning my next trip to Thailand and was thinking about dropping $1500-$2000 on Stendra, that's a good chunk of money for me.

Is Stendra available in Thailand without a prescription? What is price and availability? Generic is fine, provided somebody has actually validated it performs like the name brand.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Dg8787;2620695]I believe he can legally bring 30 tablets back with a prescription. Prescription would have to state to take one a day. IF available in Thailand then purchase the 200 MG and cut it up as needed for a longer supply.

Online search does not show a generic. Then again this is the first time have heard about this ED med.[/QUOTE]30 tablets of Stendra, or any medicine?

When I land in BKK, I am taking another airline to Phuket. Approximately how long would it take to go through customs and grab my luggage for that next flight? And would they want me to take a covid test and verification of a SHA+ hotel or would all that happen in Phuket? Thanks.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2620748]30 tablets of Stendra, or any medicine?[/QUOTE]I believe the law allows for 30 day supply of prescription medicines. Could be any amount as long as you have a prescription.

Non scrip may have no limits.

[QUOTE=Jrealyo;2626106]When I land in BKK, I am taking another airline to Phuket. Approximately how long would it take to go through customs and grab my luggage for that next flight? And would they want me to take a covid test and verification of a SHA+ hotel or would all that happen in Phuket? Thanks.[/QUOTE]Better make sure you ticket is for HKT and not Florida.

[URL]https://www.rt.com/news/540254-thailand-monarchy-reform-protest-bangkok/[/URL]

Anti Royal and anti German protests on the rise in the Land of Smiles.

[QUOTE=Jrealyo;2626106]When I land in BKK, I am taking another airline to Phuket. Approximately how long would it take to go through customs and grab my luggage for that next flight? And would they want me to take a covid test and verification of a SHA+ hotel or would all that happen in Phuket? Thanks.[/QUOTE]I don't believe that your plans will be allowed under current Covid regulations. You must fly directly to Phuket from outside Thailand, or else quarantine one night in Bangkok and take a PCR test.

There are some flights that layover in BKK and fly to Phuket from Chicago (on the same airlines) . But since I was going the cheap route (Booking one way tickets) and trying to switch airlines when I get to BKK, that may cause an issue with quarantine and customs, even tho I won't be staying in BKK.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2626219]I don't believe that your plans will be allowed under current Covid regulations. You must fly directly to Phuket from outside Thailand, or else quarantine one night in Bangkok and take a PCR test.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=PedroMorales;2626149][URL]https://www.rt.com/news/540254-thailand-monarchy-reform-protest-bangkok/[/URL]

Anti Royal and anti German protests on the rise in the Land of Smiles.[/QUOTE]They should be more concerned with China than Germany.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2626148]Better make sure you ticket is for HKT and not Florida.[/QUOTE]He might have a problem finding a flight to PHK.

Bigger danger is arriving at BKK and departing DMK.

[QUOTE=Jrealyo;2626241]There are some flights that layover in BKK and fly to Phuket from Chicago (on the same airlines) . But since I was going the cheap route (Booking one way tickets) and trying to switch airlines when I get to BKK, that may cause an issue with quarantine and customs, even tho I won't be staying in BKK.[/QUOTE]Are you a returning expat? Are you entering on a long stay visa? You might find that you will not be able to board your flight in Chicago at all if you cannot show appropriate visa or extension of stay document that allows one way travel.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2609084]From my perspective the entire thing is pointless. I frequent countries such as Dominican Republic and Colombia where not even a test or vaccine is required to enter. There is no rash of tourists or locals returning home spreading covid in these places.[/QUOTE]I agree. Trips to Mex, especially Cabo, have been great. I do miss Thai, but the freedoms in Mex is better than most of USA. Only restrictions is from USA. Must have 24 HR neg test for unvax, and 72 HR for Vax to return. No issues there. Most don't wear masks. Few places want it going in. Point is place is doing great and no issues from anyone I am in contact w (300) that frequent, has had any sick. Other than one food poisoning.

[QUOTE=Jrealyo;2626241]There are some flights that layover in BKK and fly to Phuket from Chicago (on the same airlines) . But since I was going the cheap route (Booking one way tickets) and trying to switch airlines when I get to BKK, that may cause an issue with quarantine and customs, even tho I won't be staying in BKK.[/QUOTE]As Crazy4 Thai already pointed out, booking a one way ticket is not possible for most people. The air line and certainly Thai immigration want to see either a return ticket to your country, or a ticket to another country. And with a departure date that lays within the time that you are allowed to stay in Thailand (30 days if you are eligible for Visa exemption).

Booking with two different air lines might not be a problem if you arrive and depart from the same airport. So either Suvarnabhumi or Don Muang. (I say 'might', because I'm not sure if it's allowed).
But arriving at one of those and departing from the other one, means you have to go through immigration. And that means you will have to spend the first night in Bangkok and have a PCR-test.

And you are also risking that you miss your second flight when your first flight is delayed.
I wouldn't do it, if I were you. Not in these days.

Anybody know what's required to get 30 day extension to the Thailand pass in particular whether the $50 K insurance has to cover the period of the extension. Do immigration check this as part of the application. Anything else? Thanks.

For anyone in United Kingdom planning a trip, Scoot Airlines (low cost arm of Singapore Airlines) have a good sale, non-stop flights Gatwick to Bangkok 249 pounds return in December and from March to June. Use Google Flights date grid to search flight dates.

[QUOTE=Mogwai;2626919]As Crazy4 Thai already pointed out, booking a one way ticket is not possible for most people. The air line and certainly Thai immigration want to see either a return ticket to your country, or a ticket to another country. And with a departure date that lays within the time that you are allowed to stay in Thailand (30 days if you are eligible for Visa exemption).

Booking with two different air lines might not be a problem if you arrive and depart from the same airport. So either Suvarnabhumi or Don Muang. (I say 'might', because I'm not sure if it's allowed).
But arriving at one of those and departing from the other one, means you have to go through immigration. And that means you will have to spend the first night in Bangkok and have a PCR-test.

And you are also risking that you miss your second flight when your first flight is delayed.
I wouldn't do it, if I were you. Not in these days.[/QUOTE]I bought a $45 flight to Singapore for my outgoing flight. I knew it would never take place. The flight was cancelled and I will get my money back. And I have an excuse why I can't leave because my flight was cancelled. Play the hand they dealt you.

[QUOTE=MrMatrix;2627347]For anyone in United Kingdom planning a trip, Scoot Airlines (low cost arm of Singapore Airlines) have a good sale, non-stop flights Gatwick to Bangkok 249 pounds return in December and from March to June. Use Google Flights date grid to search flight dates.[/QUOTE]Scoot is using the Low Cost Carrier method of pricing, expect fees for everything other than a seat, you will have to pay for carry on, luggage in the hold and meals, paying other than their preferred payment type etc. That soon adds up and you will have a cost nearer a regular economy ticket.

[QUOTE=Downandup;2627708]Scoot is using the Low Cost Carrier method of pricing, expect fees for everything other than a seat, you will have to pay for carry on, luggage in the hold and meals, paying other than their preferred payment type etc. That soon adds up and you will have a cost nearer a regular economy ticket.[/QUOTE]I get your point and low cost airlines are forcing others to copy their model. Ryanair now have a system where the bags cost more than the flight. However, this stuff can be tweaked. For definite, you don't need both check in and carry on luggage (Thailand has shops). I travel quite a bit around Europe and never buy food or drink on board. In fact, planes muck up water and make tea and coffee awful (not my words but those of an air hostess I bonk for cash). As the price is very low, savings can be made. However, if you have no hold luggage, customs might stop you as they did me.

Where Cheap Charlies would get stung on that is on water as you have to hydrate but you could always carry on your own container and fill it up in the toilet. Definitely worth a punt.

I came into Phuket and the nightlife on Bangla is pretty popping. Lots of bars open, even past the supposed curfew. Plenty of girls, though quality is mixed and a lot of the hotter ones are quoting quite high prices.

I was thinking about popping over to Bangkok. For people who have recently done both, how do they compare? I've heard there's some side street off Soi 7 in Bangkok that's pretty lively with plenty of girls. I know it can't compare to pre-COVID, but how does it compare to Bangla?

Also was thinking about checking out Khaosan Road but I hear they're doing antigen tests if your vaccination is over half a year old. Mine is more than that so I would have to test and I don't want to risk hospitalization over a false positive. Can anyone confirm that's the case? Also when they check vaccinations, is a picture sufficient or do you need to bring the original card?

A friend of mine aged 76 based in UK is having a problem finding the $50000 insurance coverage for the Thailand Pass.

Seems most insurance houses draw the line at 74.

Tried googling with no success. Possible a member knows how?

Thanks.

[QUOTE=Franciscass;2628185]A friend of mine aged 76 based in UK is having a problem finding the $50000 insurance coverage for the Thailand Pass.

Seems most insurance houses draw the line at 74.

Tried googling with no success. Possible a member knows how?

Thanks.[/QUOTE][URL]https://aseannow.com/topic/1239502-where-to-find-thailand-pass-required-insurance-for-non-o-holders-over-80-years-of-age/[/URL]

I didn't read through it but a quick skim of this thread named some companies. Others have suggested just buy any insurance those issuing the Thailand Pass are not checking if it's actually COVID insurance.

[URL]www.lumahealth.com[/URL]

[QUOTE=BananaBoi]Others have suggested just buy any insurance those issuing the Thailand Pass are not checking if it's actually COVID insurance.[/QUOTE]The insurance has to be for $50,000 but it does not need to say it covers Covid only medical.

If you book your trip on Emirates before December 1, you get suitable coverage for free, I requested an insurance certificate and used that to get approved for my Thailand pass. Which was approved in three hours. I've heard that Ethihad also does the same and other airlines may too. Check your bank cards too as they may have insurance too.

Hello community!

Looking for advices here, other than Tinder. I will be traveling more than one month with my girl, from next Week. Bangkok / Chiang Mai / Phuket and Pattaya (at a time where night clubs / etc. Will be opened again hopefully).

My girl is very much into gangbangs with foreigners (would be easy to organized / find people in Pattaya I imagine) but we are also into 'swinger', cuckhold MMF and MFF. Apart from Fetlife (not very active.), what are the most active website / apps, specifically in Thailand, with people having similar kind of lifestyle? At least interest in swingers? Recommendations will be appreciated. Cheers!

[QUOTE=KillArmy;2628567]Hello community!

Looking for advices here, other than Tinder. I will be traveling more than one month with my girl, from next Week. Bangkok / Chiang Mai / Phuket and Pattaya (at a time where night clubs / etc. Will be opened again hopefully).

My girl is very much into gangbangs with foreigners (would be easy to organized / find people in Pattaya I imagine) but we are also into 'swinger', cuckhold MMF and MFF. Apart from Fetlife (not very active.), what are the most active website / apps, specifically in Thailand, with people having similar kind of lifestyle? At least interest in swingers? Recommendations will be appreciated. Cheers![/QUOTE]I have a friend very active in the southern Phuket region with gangbangs, mmmf, mfmf, etc. On the circuit here.

If you get here send me a PM, and I will put you in touch.

[QUOTE=ThaiGoodTimes;2628884]If you get here send me a PM, and I will put you in touch.[/QUOTE]Only paid members can send PMs now, just FYI.

While you are waiting for the Thailand bars to reopen, consider a quick trip to Phnom Penh. Visa easy to get, no quarantine for vaccinated travellers and a god bar scene now.

I can confirm that 90% of the girly bars are open in Phnom Penh. The official full open date is 1st December but most of the bars are open already. Plenty of girls around, with more arriving daily from their provinces. ST and LT prices ver negotiable with the girls keen to meet guys. Streets 130 and 136 still have the highest concentration of bars, with streets 104,110, 118 and 5 also having some open bars. Drinks prices are reasonable. Draft beer $1. 50, spirits $3. 75, ladydrinks $3. 50-$4. Local hotels doing some amazing deals as well.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2628338][URL]https://aseannow.com/topic/1239502-where-to-find-thailand-pass-required-insurance-for-non-o-holders-over-80-years-of-age/[/URL]

I didn't read through it but a quick skim of this thread named some companies. Others have suggested just buy any insurance those issuing the Thailand Pass are not checking if it's actually COVID insurance.[/QUOTE]Thanks BB.

OK. You got Thailand pass.

Do you now need to download Thailand Plus app.

If so when where and how I. E what's involved. Does it have to be on a phone with a Thai sim.

[QUOTE=Franciscass;2629787]OK. You got Thailand pass.
Do you now need to download Thailand Plus app.
If so when where and how I. E what's involved. Does it have to be on a phone with a Thai sim.[/QUOTE]I'll tell you my experience with it, but I came in through the sandbox w / a COE about 3 months ago. Tons of people in the airport to check your stuff / walk you through entry. Today YMMV.

I downloaded the app before leaving home per the instructions from the Thai consulate. Got to Phuket and nope, they use a different app in Phuket. I just handed my phone (still on a US sim card) to the girl who checked my COE and she keyed up the WiFi and got the right app up and running. No problem. The app loads onto the phone not the sim card. Also it runs on bluetooth, so no need for a local sim card as far as the app is concerned.

Bottom line: Don't over think it. Download the app and get on the plane. Thailand wants you here, and if they have to patch up your paperwork / phone on arrival they will.

I thought it would be funny to post some quotes from Thai Friendly profiles. It can be quite hilarious what these girls have written.

I have one daughter, but I have not had a vasectomy.

I have a worm heart. Hope you have a worm heart too.

Single but not available.

I have a job, don't worry about your money.

Last time I was someone's type, is when I was donating blood.

Old men stay away. I'm not looking for an uncle or grandpa.

I'm not lazy, I'm just on save energy sometimes.

If you want an angel, you have to go to paradise.

A good woman will stay by your side, no matter how much you lie, cheat or steal. That woman is your mother, not me.

The dog is fine, but I am allergic to cats. Anyway, I can take a pill if we match.

I'm not one night stand, if you interested in just few times for sex please pass me.

If you are rude to me, I will put you in jail.

I am a faithful person, ask my dog for details.

Speaking Thai will not be your plus, so no worries if you can't. If you can, don't talk to me in Thai.

Can anyone tell me what language this is, and what it means?
I cannot copy paste it, so I cannot check it in Google Tranlate.

[QUOTE=Mogwai;2630432]Can anyone tell me what language this is, and what it means?
I cannot copy paste it, so I cannot check it in Google Tranlate.[/QUOTE]Arabic.

Using the camera feature of Google Translate, my best guess is "nothing lasts forever".

Thanks HorseTrader. Apparently the girl that has this in her profile in Line is not 100% Thai.

[URL]https://www.yahoo.com/news/thailand-sees-gradual-tourism-recovery-110911879.html[/URL]

[QUOTE=HorseTrader;2630441]Arabic.

Using the camera feature of Google Translate, my best guess is "nothing lasts forever".[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Mogwai;2630491]Thanks HorseTrader. Apparently the girl that has this in her profile in Line is not 100% Thai.[/QUOTE]Sure sounds like a 100% Thai girl philosophy! These girls roll with the changes with the best in the world.

[QUOTE=Mogwai;2630491]Thanks HorseTrader. Apparently the girl that has this in her profile in Line is not 100% Thai.[/QUOTE]Why wouldn't she be 100% Thai? As long as you have been going to Thailand, you have not realized that they cater to the customers they are usually around? This includes learning the language, listening to the music, and dressing and doing their makeup the way women from those countries do it. If it was in English would you think she was not 100% Thai?

[QUOTE=Mogwai;2630432]Can anyone tell me what language this is, and what it means?
I cannot copy paste it, so I cannot check it in Google Tranlate.[/QUOTE]Looks like Arabic to me.

Sometimes ladies ask me to photos of them in jacuzzis or when they are otherwise not fully clothed. I notice they don't post the best photos on Facebook, I guess they are sending them to their customers.

Wasn't sure where to ask this, so I'm putting it here. If there's a better place to ask this, please let me know. I'll be happy to move it.

1. The Special Tourist Visa application looks relatively simple. Do you think it's worth hiring a company to handle the application process?

2. I heard people are making a 3 month reservation for a place to stay, then canceling the reservation once necessary paper (proof of payment) has been submitted. Airbnb only seems to allow cancelations within 48 hrs. What alternative bookings allow free cancelations past that (to cancel after STV has been approved)?

3. I need to provide proof of a departure flight, right? I've read that a round-trip itinerary is not necessary, only a departure flight. Is this true? Should I book an outbound flight with points so I can cancel after arrival? I don't think I can even book a 3 month round trip flight (from Google flights at least).

4. After 9 months (2 extensions), if I want to visit with visa exemption (from USA, the normal tourist visa), will having had an extended STV impede on my ability to do so?

TIA.

[QUOTE=SinfullyKorean;2631122]Wasn't sure where to ask this, so I'm putting it here. If there's a better place to ask this, please let me know. I'll be happy to move it.

1. The Special Tourist Visa application looks relatively simple. Do you think it's worth hiring a company to handle the application process?

2. I heard people are making a 3 month reservation for a place to stay, then canceling the reservation once necessary paper (proof of payment) has been submitted. Airbnb only seems to allow cancelations within 48 hrs. What alternative bookings allow free cancelations past that (to cancel after STV has been approved)?

3. I need to provide proof of a departure flight, right? I've read that a round-trip itinerary is not necessary, only a departure flight. Is this true? Should I book an outbound flight with points so I can cancel after arrival? I don't think I can even book a 3 month round trip flight (from Google flights at least).

4. After 9 months (2 extensions), if I want to visit with visa exemption (from USA, the normal tourist visa), will having had an extended STV impede on my ability to do so?

TIA.[/QUOTE]1. It's simple process if you have all the required documents to submit, stated on Thai Embassy's website. Hard copies only.

2. Yes I did that too. Made hotel reservations for the whole duration of my stay, not paid yet. Showed it to embassy, got my visa, cancelled the whole reservation later. Did it using Agoda. Make sure your reservation is "cancellable" before you book it.

3. You can always amend your departure flight after you enter Thailand. Book it first for easy visa process.

4. Not applicable for me. Can't answer this for you.

This is what most of Suvarnabhumi airport looks like after you have passed immigration to leave the country (so at the air side). There's a lot of (re)construction work going on, and there is hardly anything open. Most of the stores that are still open are selling electronics, liqiors or souvenirs. It's very hard to find stores that are selling food and drinks. There have never been that many restaurants at the air side, but now there's almost nothing left. I have walked past many of the gates (not all of them) and all I found was a coffee shop, a One Minute Gourmet and a Dairy Queen at the entrance towards gate E1-E10. And a small Japanese noodle shop, also around there somewhere.
And I was lucky that I could still get something, because it was already passed midnight and they were about to close.

I don't know how many restaurants are still open at the land side of the airport. I should have checked that, but I didn't. Most likely the situation is not much better there.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2630619]Why wouldn't she be 100% Thai? As long as you have been going to Thailand, you have not realized that they cater to the customers they are usually around? This includes learning the language, listening to the music, and dressing and doing their makeup the way women from those countries do it. If it was in English would you think she was not 100% Thai?[/QUOTE]I just thought it could be possible that she had some Arabic blood in her veins, based on her looks.
Anyway, I have just asked her, and she confirmed that it means 'nothing lasts forever'. But she's not partially Arabic, she just likes the phrase.

[QUOTE=SinfullyKorean;2631122]
1. The Special Tourist Visa application looks relatively simple. Do you think it's worth hiring a company to handle the application process?

2. I heard people are making a 3 month reservation for a place to stay, then cancelling the reservation once necessary paper (proof of payment) has been submitted. Airbnb only seems to allow cancelations within 48 hrs. What alternative bookings allow free cancelations past that (to cancel after STV has been approved)?

3. I need to provide proof of a departure flight, right? I've read that a round-trip itinerary is not necessary, only a departure flight. Is this true? Should I book an outbound flight with points so I can cancel after arrival? I don't think I can even book a 3 month round trip flight (from Google flights at least).

4. After 9 months (2 extensions), if I want to visit with visa exemption (from USA, the normal tourist visa), will having had an extended STV impede on my ability to do so?
TIA.[/QUOTE]

1. Do it yourself. You really don't need an agent unless you are dealing with something very complicated like a business visa or some type of semi dodgy visa which requires "special fees" to be divided up between said agent and senior immigration officer.
One point in regards to Thais, they love their paperwork. As long as everything ticks the boxes with the required document they will be happy with your app.

2. Yes I did this when last entered on a Multi entry Tourist Visa pre covid. I booked at a big name hotel for 12 weeks on the fully refundable stay rate. Some hotels won't even hit your credit card until a week before your entry but will still send you out a fully confirmed reservation.

3. I would always get a fully refundable ticket back out of the country. I simple $100 ticket out to a nearby country that is currently open will be good enough. I have done this many times and many visas, never needed a round ticket.

4. There is no rule which says you cannot just leave the country for 1 night and come back the next day to a visa on arrival. Then repeat this forever as many people did for decades. There were even visa run companies with Vans set up to do this to the closest land borders in Burma or Cambodia.

About 4 years ago they started to stop some people doing this at some entry points including Bangkok airports. Technically they were not meant to do this but ultimately it is up to the discretion of the immigration officer to admit you or not for whatever reason. They started to deny some people that had been doing this for say 18 months in a row. They never really did it to anybody that did it for less than a year.

Interestingly Chang Mai Airport and the land border back in from Vientiane Laos / Udon Thani never sent anybody back. So guys staying here for a long time simply did visa runs through this route and it worked until Covid started.



At the moment I cannot imagine Thailand denying anyone that wants to come back on a tourist visa or visa on arrival even if they have stayed for basically 9 or 12 months straight. There is no immigration law against doing this and they desperately need tourists. Phuket, Samui, Chang Mai, Tourist area of Bangkok are all at 5% capacity, so they are not going to deny any fully vaxed up tourist with cash in the next year or 3.

They are currently talking about new visas for longer term tourists but the Thai government loves to overly complicate stuff so don't know how workable they will be.

There is also the annual "Volunteer Visa" that any agent can help you get. The only volunteering you need to do is to "voluntarily donate 50,000 to the agent" which then gets split with some higher up immigration officer usually in the middle of Issan. These work quite well, I know people that have entered and left the country within the year without any issue at border crossings or airport. Everyone knows what it is but they are not going to interfere with some ones "special fees". A junior immigration office that tried to interfere would probably be put in a bad career position by interfering with a higher ups source of tea money.

[URL]https://www.yahoo.com/news/frenchman-known-mocking-government-denied-125343578.html[/URL]

No wonder you guys never criticize the Thai government.

Thanks again for the wonderful bit of info / advice! I'll definitely do this in a month or so. Beer's on me!

[QUOTE=MaxBkk;2631187]1. Do it yourself. You really don't need an agent unless you are dealing with something very complicated like a business visa or some type of semi dodgy visa which requires "special fees" to be divided up between said agent and senior immigration officer.
One point in regards to Thais, they love their paperwork. As long as everything ticks the boxes with the required document they will be happy with your app.

2. Yes I did this when last entered on a Multi entry Tourist Visa pre covid. I booked at a big name hotel for 12 weeks on the fully refundable stay rate. Some hotels won't even hit your credit card until a week before your entry but will still send you out a fully confirmed reservation.

3. I would always get a fully refundable ticket back out of the country. I simple $100 ticket out to a nearby country that is currently open will be good enough. I have done this many times and many visas, never needed a round ticket.

4. There is no rule which says you cannot just leave the country for 1 night and come back the next day to a visa on arrival. Then repeat this forever as many people did for decades. There were even visa run companies with Vans set up to do this to the closest land borders in Burma or Cambodia.

About 4 years ago they started to stop some people doing this at some entry points including Bangkok airports. Technically they were not meant to do this but ultimately it is up to the discretion of the immigration officer to admit you or not for whatever reason. They started to deny some people that had been doing this for say 18 months in a row. They never really did it to anybody that did it for less than a year.

Interestingly Chang Mai Airport and the land border back in from Vientiane Laos / Udon Thani never sent anybody back. So guys staying here for a long time simply did visa runs through this route and it worked until Covid started.



At the moment I cannot imagine Thailand denying anyone that wants to come back on a tourist visa or visa on arrival even if they have stayed for basically 9 or 12 months straight. There is no immigration law against doing this and they desperately need tourists. Phuket, Samui, Chang Mai, Tourist area of Bangkok are all at 5% capacity, so they are not going to deny any fully vaxed up tourist with cash in the next year or 3.

They are currently talking about new visas for longer term tourists but the Thai government loves to overly complicate stuff so don't know how workable they will be.

There is also the annual "Volunteer Visa" that any agent can help you get. The only volunteering you need to do is to "voluntarily donate 50,000 to the agent" which then gets split with some higher up immigration officer usually in the middle of Issan. These work quite well, I know people that have entered and left the country within the year without any issue at border crossings or airport. Everyone knows what it is but they are not going to interfere with some ones "special fees". A junior immigration office that tried to interfere would probably be put in a bad career position by interfering with a higher ups source of tea money.[/QUOTE]

Might be useful when your trying to grab one on the way out of Thailand.

[URL]https://service.dmsc.moph.go.th/labscovid19/indexen.php[/URL]

[QUOTE=LookingLooking;2631129]1 Showed it to embassy, got my visa.[/QUOTE]They not allows visa on arrrival?

[QUOTE=NIO400;2636574]They not allows visa on arrrival?[/QUOTE]You can get a visa on arrival if you are going to be visiting for 60 days or less.

[QUOTE=NIO400;2636574]They not allows visa on arrrival?[/QUOTE]It depends on your country.

[QUOTE=Mogwai;2631170]I don't know how many restaurants are still open at the land side of the airport. I should have checked that, but I didn't. Most likely the situation is not much better there.[/QUOTE]Not a huge amount, but still enough if you only need a quick snack before or after or in between flights.

I went all the way down to the raillink level (to change money at the Superrich counter. Much better rates than at the bank counters!) and saw at least 3 or 4 food stalls at that level.

[QUOTE=Downandup;2636723]You can get a visa on arrival if you are going to be visiting for 60 days or less.[/QUOTE]Most "visa on arrival" are actually "visa exemption" schemes. You don't get a visa, just an entry stamp and a date before which you must leave.

The covid-situation put some extra admin on top of the existing visa regulations.

Actually, you now have three controls:

* the airline checks your documents (ticket, visa (if needed) and covid-papers) before checking in.

* immigration checks if you are allowed in.

* health authorities check the covid-documents and administer the tests.

At each of these checks you can be denied.

[URL]https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/why-thailand-ultimate-christmas-escape-091008385.html[/URL]

[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;2636778]Most "visa on arrival" are actually "visa exemption" schemes. You don't get a visa, just an entry stamp and a date before which you must leave.

The covid-situation put some extra admin on top of the existing visa regulations.

Actually, you now have three controls:

* the airline checks your documents (ticket, visa (if needed) and covid-papers) before checking in.

* immigration checks if you are allowed in.

* health authorities check the covid-documents and administer the tests.

At each of these checks you can be denied.[/QUOTE]This was actually a little bit different when I went to Thailand recently.
After arrival, about halfway between the gate and immigration, all documents were checked. But not by health authorities I think, but just immigration people or some other kind of officers.
Then at immigration I had to hand over all documents again to get the visa exemption stamp.
The PCR-test was not taken at the airport but at my hotel, by a nurse from a hospital. And all she needed was my passport.

Has anyone had experience with the 24/7 test & go claims by the sha+ hotels? Was planning on arriving around midnight, but don't want to be forced to pay another day if they actually won't test you until morning. On that note, is there any requirement on leaving the airport through private transit, or can you just grab a taxi?

[QUOTE=KimJongil;2638365]Has anyone had experience with the 24/7 test & go claims by the sha+ hotels? Was planning on arriving around midnight, but don't want to be forced to pay another day if they actually won't test you until morning. On that note, is there any requirement on leaving the airport through private transit, or can you just grab a taxi?[/QUOTE]Transportation only through Test and Go hotel. It's included in your package so not sure why you would want to pay for your own taxi. You will get to stay at your SHA Plus hotel until you get your test results back no matter what time you arrive. You will not have to pay for a 2nd night. Always good to confirm that first with any hotel you are considering.

Very interesting about Thai restaurants overseas.

[URL]https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=W09QCLmnCUU[/URL]

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2641588]Very interesting about Thai restaurants overseas.

[URL]https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=W09QCLmnCUU[/URL][/QUOTE]My experience has been that some "Thai" restaurants in the USA are actually Vietnamese.

[QUOTE=Etaoin2003;2641720]My experience has been that some "Thai" restaurants in the USA are actually Vietnamese.[/QUOTE]I have very rarely had authentic Thai cuisine in the United States. One of the best Thai places ever was in a city where I never expected it to be, and that was in Portland, Oregon of all places. The meal was even served in traditional Thai dishware, which is also a very unusual occurrence in the States, at least for me and the places I have been to. Otherwise, having had lots of Thai food in Thailand itself, I always come away thinking "you're duping these Minnesotans, you're duping these Minnesotans" LOL! Now in Latin America, what I have found is that a lot of so-called "Thai" restaurants are really some kind of "Asian fusion" joint only loosely identifiable as "Thai" restaurants. The food might be tasty, but it most definitely is not Thai food!

[QUOTE=KimJongil;2638365]Has anyone had experience with the 24/7 test & go claims by the sha+ hotels? Was planning on arriving around midnight, but don't want to be forced to pay another day if they actually won't test you until morning. On that note, is there any requirement on leaving the airport through private transit, or can you just grab a taxi?[/QUOTE]Yes. Did the one night at Sheraton Sukhumvit. You should pick a hotel that does the covid test on site. I had to go to a hospital after I landed and the drive time plus the wait at the hospital took two hours. Took the test at 4 pm and got the result at 6 am the next morning.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2641725]I have very rarely had authentic Thai cuisine in the United States.[/QUOTE]A Korean friend of mine in USA bought a Thai restaurant. While eating there about 15 years ago, I asked her if that was what restaurants in Thailand were like. She said she didn't know, she had never been to Thailand. The kitchen staff was Vietnamese and the dining room staff was Korean. The dishes had been adjusted to keep her customers happy, mostly USA and Korean people. The sign still says it is Thai. So much for authentic.

Now that I've experienced real Thai food many times, I can say conclusively that it isn't even close.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2641725]I have very rarely had authentic Thai cuisine in the United States. One of the best Thai places ever was in a city where I never expected it to be, and that was in Portland, Oregon of all places. The meal was even served in traditional Thai dishware, which is also a very unusual occurrence in the States, at least for me and the places I have been to. Otherwise, having had lots of Thai food in Thailand itself, I always come away thinking "you're duping these Minnesotans, you're duping these Minnesotans" LOL! Now in Latin America, what I have found is that a lot of so-called "Thai" restaurants are really some kind of "Asian fusion" joint only loosely identifiable as "Thai" restaurants. The food might be tasty, but it most definitely is not Thai food![/QUOTE]Most thai restaurants I know are just generic thai food staples, but no less authentic than in thailand for the same dises. They just often have additional dishes to suit the western palette a bit more in addition to the normal stuff, and often leave out lots of regional cuisines.

Its common to see Vietnamese food in thai restaurants in areas with a larger Vietnamese population or there is a Vietnamese owner, although the opposite is not true, you rarely find thai in a Vietnamese restaurant.

Hello friends,

I am looking to travel to Thailand in the first quarter of 2022. Am looking to book a sex vacation package that includes the hotel and the companionship of a girl or girls. An advanced booking with everything arranged takes the hassle out of punting. I know it will cost more but the comfort of knowing it is all arranged is appealing to me. Any known agencies or providers that can do this? I randomly found:

[URL]http://thai-sexy-holiday.com/[/URL]

If anyone has details of trusted companies let me know.

Thanks.

[QUOTE=SidewaysOnTour;2642116]Hello friends,

I am looking to travel to Thailand in the first quarter of 2022. Am looking to book a sex vacation package that includes the hotel and the companionship of a girl or girls. An advanced booking with everything arranged takes the hassle out of punting. I know it will cost more but the comfort of knowing it is all arranged is appealing to me. Any known agencies or providers that can do this? I randomly found:

[URL]http://thai-sexy-holiday.com/[/URL]

If anyone has details of trusted companies let me know.

Thanks.[/QUOTE]I can arrange this for you. How many you want and How much you pay?

[QUOTE=SidewaysOnTour;2642116]Hello friends,

I am looking to travel to Thailand in the first quarter of 2022. Am looking to book a sex vacation package that includes the hotel and the companionship of a girl or girls. An advanced booking with everything arranged takes the hassle out of punting.[/QUOTE]No, it doesn't take the hassle out of punting. It creates more uncertainty at a higher cost and I guarantee you that you will not meet the best girls or even girls you like through a pre booked sex package.

Look mate, if you want to have a fun time in the Land of Smiles just accept the way things are done here and go with the flow. It's all about going out and meeting friendly girls in bars, Go Go's, clubs, massage parlors, and on the street and choosing who you want. Just wander around. It is totally safe. There is no other place in the world like Thailand (BKK & Pattaya) where you can roll out of your hotel room at any time of the day or night knee deep in pussy for 60 square blocks (20 blocks x 3 blocks) or more. It is a bountiful feast.

[QUOTE=SidewaysOnTour;2642116]Hello friends,

I am looking to travel to Thailand in the first quarter of 2022. Am looking to book a sex vacation package that includes the hotel and the companionship of a girl or girls. An advanced booking with everything arranged takes the hassle out of punting. I know it will cost more but the comfort of knowing it is all arranged is appealing to me. Any known agencies or providers that can do this?[/QUOTE]I would advise against this.

Planning is great, but in Thailand, too much planning can ruin your trip.

The best thing you can do is to have flexibility.

1. There are so many different things to try, P4 P or otherwise.

2. You might not like some girls you pre-booked.

3. You might really like a girl you had sex with and want to see her more.

4. You may want to change your itinerary and stay more / less in one area.

What I would suggest is to book your first nights in Bangkok, get an escort for the first night and set yourself a schedule for the other days:

- Oily Massage.

- Soapy Massage.

- Gogo bars.

- BJ bars.

Too many things to do and to pass up. Maybe meet with some ISG members that are in BKK same time as you and would be willing to be your wingman.

Reflect back to our first ever trip to Thailand. Imagine if you were part of a non-sex tour or if you went to Thailand with a girl. You'd be kicking yourself walking through Walking Street, Cowboy, Nana, etc.

Like Nic says, no sex tour guide needed at all. Thailand is such an easy place to navigate. Everyone speaks English in the areas of Pattaya, Phuket, and Bangkok you will be. Will take you a minute to find a girl in Thailand if you want.

[URL]https://www.tatnews.org/2021/12/thailand-pass-temporarily-suspended-those-received-qr-code-can-enter/[/URL]

[QUOTE=AxelHeyst;2642159]No, it doesn't take the hassle out of punting. It creates more uncertainty at a higher cost and I guarantee you that you will not meet the best girls or even girls you like through a pre booked sex package.

Look mate, if you want to have a fun time in the Land of Smiles just accept the way things are done here and go with the flow. It's all about going out and meeting friendly girls in bars, Go Go's, clubs, massage parlors, and on the street and choosing who you want. Just wander around. It is totally safe. There is no other place in the world like Thailand (BKK & Pattaya) where you can roll out of your hotel room at any time of the day or night knee deep in pussy for 60 square blocks (20 blocks x 3 blocks) or more. It is a bountiful feast.[/QUOTE]OK thanks. I will play it by ear then. I was just a little nervous as it will be my first trip to Thailand and being a single bloke on my own I am worried about late night walks with no wingman!

I've mongered in other countries, Vietnam, Dubai, Czech Australia and UK but Thailand is an unknown for me.

For my first trip (Later in 2022) would you or other members recommend Bangkok or Pattaya in terms of ease of navigation and finding girls? I do not speak Thai so that might be a factor.

Appreciate the feedback so far.

Thanks gents.

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy;2642281]I would advise against this.

Planning is great, but in Thailand, too much planning can ruin your trip.

The best thing you can do is to have flexibility.

1. There are so many different things to try, P4 P or otherwise.

2. You might not like some girls you pre-booked.

3. You might really like a girl you had sex with and want to see her more.

4. You may want to change your itinerary and stay more / less in one area.

What I would suggest is to book your first nights in Bangkok, get an escort for the first night and set yourself a schedule for the other days:

- Oily Massage.[/QUOTE]Great suggestion. Thanks. Would you recommend Bangkok or Pattaya? I am interested more in escorts and full service rather than massage. I do not speak Thai and will be on my own so for ease of navigation which City would be best?

[QUOTE=SidewaysOnTour;2645379]Great suggestion. Thanks. Would you recommend Bangkok or Pattaya? I am interested more in escorts and full service rather than massage. I do not speak Thai and will be on my own so for ease of navigation which City would be best?[/QUOTE]I would recommend Bangkok first, get a nice hotel in Sukhumvit (phrom Pong area is my favourite) and book an escort for your first night: [URL]https://www.fiwfans.com[/URL] or [URL]https://smooci.com/bangkok[/URL].

Then go have a massage in Soi 24/1 or the small sub soi at the top of soi 24. All these massage places are Full sex massage.

Maybe try a NURU massage [URL]https://dokidokibangkok.com/location/[/URL].

At night, have dinner at Hemmingways soi 11 after walk back up sukhumvit towards phrong pong or back down towards Nana.

Try a Blowjob bar for a change of pace [URL]https://bjbarbangkok.com/staff.html[/URL].

Then maybe after a couple nights, you can get a taxi to Pattaya (your hotel can help).

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy;2645440]I would recommend Bangkok first, get a nice hotel in Sukhumvit (phrom Pong area is my favourite) and book an escort for your first night: [URL]https://www.fiwfans.com[/URL] or [URL]https://smooci.com/bangkok[/URL].

Then go have a massage in Soi 24/1 or the small sub soi at the top of soi 24. All these massage places are Full sex massage.

Maybe try a NURU massage [URL]https://dokidokibangkok.com/location/[/URL].

At night, have dinner at Hemmingways soi 11 after walk back up sukhumvit towards phrong pong or back down towards Nana.

Try a Blowjob bar for a change of pace [URL]https://bjbarbangkok.com/staff.html[/URL].

Then maybe after a couple nights, you can get a taxi to Pattaya (your hotel can help).[/QUOTE]Fantastic.

The links are really helpful. I appreciate the help.

I arrive in April so will post reviews then of how I go.

Thank you so much.

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy;2645440]I would recommend Bangkok first, get a nice hotel in Sukhumvit (phrom Pong area is my favourite) and book an escort for your first night: [URL]https://www.fiwfans.com[/URL] or [URL]https://smooci.com/bangkok[/URL].

Then go have a massage in Soi 24/1 or the small sub soi at the top of soi 24. All these massage places are Full sex massage.

Maybe try a NURU massage [URL]https://dokidokibangkok.com/location/[/URL].

At night, have dinner at Hemmingways soi 11 after walk back up sukhumvit towards phrong pong or back down towards Nana.

Try a Blowjob bar for a change of pace [URL]https://bjbarbangkok.com/staff.html[/URL].

Then maybe after a couple nights, you can get a taxi to Pattaya (your hotel can help).[/QUOTE]OK great.

With the walk back up sukhumvit towards phrong pong or back down towards Nana, if I am approached by a lady on the street what is the "ball park" for 4 hours? I know it will depend on the girl. Some will be more, others less, but an idea of cost would be great so I don't inflate the local prices!

If in a bar and I take a girl home how much can I expect the bar fine to be?

Looking forward to my trip I can tell you.

[QUOTE=SidewaysOnTour;2645448]I arrive in April so will post reviews then of how I go.[/QUOTE]April is a lifetime away. Best check back here mid-March.

Open places, girls availability, prices quoted. Everything's a bit off balance at the moment. It could all change by April, best to wait.

[QUOTE=SidewaysOnTour;2645478]

With the walk back up sukhumvit towards phrong pong or back down towards Nana, if I am approached by a lady on the street what is the "ball park" for 4 hours? [/QUOTE]Better read dozens of pages in this forum first, before you decide on where to stay and where to go, and to get a general idea of the prices. That's what this forum is for after all. Read first and then come back if you still have questions.

[QUOTE=SidewaysOnTour;2645478]what is the "ball park" for 4 hours?[/QUOTE]ST is 1-2 hours for most girls. There is no 4 hour rate per se. Anything more than 2 hours is generally considered LT (ie. Overnight). LT rates can be anywhere from 1000 baht to 10,000 baht depending on where you pick up the girl. And if the girl sees you as a tourist or an expat.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2645842]ST is 1-2 hours for most girls.[/QUOTE]In Theory, yes, but not for a busy girl, and especially not if you're a tourist.

These girls are experienced and they can smell a fresh tourist, which means, if you only say ST, she's going to leave as soon as she makes you cum.

Some girls may even add insult to injury and tall you "you finish too quick" and ask for an extra 500 or 1000 for the extra pop.

Be firm with what you want before you agree. ST for me is 2 hours and 2 pops. And 2 K max.

You'll get the usual suspects: BBBJCIM, COF, COB, DATY, Covered FS. No Anal or no threesomes (unless negotiated in advance, price will depend on how desperate she is to get money).

[QUOTE=SidewaysOnTour;2645478]if I am approached by a lady on the street[/QUOTE]You always want to make sure that it's a lady that approaches you, and on Sukhumvit right now, it's a toss up. That is why, I always advise Tourists to go to an establishment and not pickup from the street.

Trust me, depending on the amount of alcohol consumed, you won't be able to tell that easily.

Barfine from a BAR, it's safer and the 500-600 they will charge you is your safety / tranquility.

If you mistakenly take a Ladyboy to your room, you will still have to pay the full price even though no sex occured (unless you want tantrums and Drama and hotel security showing up, everyone in the hotel hearing about your. Misadventure).

Have a look at that video, there are a lot of Ladyboys in there, just can't hurt to practice spotting them.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w_f1g1jtpzE[/URL]

I think it's fair to say most reveal their LB status in short order as they wish to avoid unnecessary drama as well. However, if you have any doubt at all, just ask. Only the rare bird would deny, unless, of course, "she" is post op and then may try to get away with the subterfuge, usually under the cover of darkness. Needless to say, if you bang the post op or receive a BJ etc. And are not aware, perhaps it falls under the old saying "if a tree falls in forest and no one is there, does it make a sound"?

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy;2645850]You always want to make sure that it's a lady that approaches you, and on Sukhumvit right now, it's a toss up. That is why, I always advise Tourists to go to an establishment and not pickup from the street.

Trust me, depending on the amount of alcohol consumed, you won't be able to tell that easily.

Barfine from a BAR, it's safer and the 500-600 they will charge you is your safety / tranquility.

If you mistakenly take a Ladyboy to your room, you will still have to pay the full price even though no sex occured (unless you want tantrums and Drama and hotel security showing up, everyone in the hotel hearing about your. Misadventure).

Have a look at that video, there are a lot of Ladyboys in there, just can't hurt to practice spotting them.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w_f1g1jtpzE[/URL][/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy;2645850]You always want to make sure that it's a lady that approaches you, and on Sukhumvit right now, it's a toss up. That is why, I always advise Tourists to go to an establishment and not pickup from the street.

Trust me, depending on the amount of alcohol consumed, you won't be able to tell that easily.

Barfine from a BAR, it's safer and the 500-600 they will charge you is your safety / tranquility.

If you mistakenly take a Ladyboy to your room, you will still have to pay the full price even though no sex occured (unless you want tantrums and Drama and hotel security showing up, everyone in the hotel hearing about your. Misadventure).

Have a look at that video, there are a lot of Ladyboys in there, just can't hurt to practice spotting them.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w_f1g1jtpzE[/URL][/QUOTE]15 years ago Rainbow Barfine was 500. Just before closure it was up to 1,000.

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy;2645849]In Theory, yes, but not for a busy girl, and especially not if you're a tourist.

These girls are experienced and they can smell a fresh tourist, which means, if you only say ST, she's going to leave as soon as she makes you cum.[/QUOTE]These girls can easily spot that I'm a tourist, but for my short time girls I've come up with a phrase that reduces the rush: "I'll be here for another 3 weeks. " They then see me as a potential repeat customer and tend to stick around longer than I want them.

To everyone that has replied offering advice. I have also spent a day reading through the forum. All very insightful and I feel more informed as to where to go in Bangkok, the rules of engagement (LOL) and approximate prices. I appreciate the guidance gents.

[QUOTE=Tomasb;2645948]I think it's fair to say most reveal their LB status in short order as they wish to avoid unnecessary drama as well. However, if you have any doubt at all, just ask. Only the rare bird would deny, unless, of course, "she" is post op and then may try to get away with the subterfuge[/QUOTE]During normal times, yes. However, these are desperate times, and LBs who are desperate for customers might be more willing to conceal their status.

[QUOTE=SidewaysOnTour;2645478]If I am approached by a lady on the street what is the "ball park" for 4 hours? If in a bar and I take a girl home how much can I expect the bar fine to be?[/QUOTE]Every gent is full of questions before his first trip to Thailand. No shame in that.

But it's poor form to ask basic questions here that have been asked and answered in this forum dozens, if not HUNDREDS of times before. Questions of that nature clutter the forum, waste bandwidth and suggest the new guy is too lazy to do even basic research.

Mr. Sideways should go back at least 100 pages in the forums for Bangkok and Pattaya and read all the traffic up to the present day. He should take notes as he does so. He should also use his favorite search engine to locate points of interest on a map, which will give him a basic understanding of the areas of interest to naughty boys visiting both cities. Finally, he should look at the web sites collecting hotel and restaurant reviews.

Once he has done his homework, Mr. Sideways can ask specific questions about topics that have not yet been addressed, or about topics where the guidance may have changed recently. Otherwise he's just wasting everybody's time.

[QUOTE=Bunky;2646443]Every gent is full of questions before his first trip to Thailand. No shame in that.

But it's poor form to ask basic questions here that have been asked and answered in this forum dozens, if not HUNDREDS of times before. Questions of that nature clutter the forum, waste bandwidth and suggest the new guy is too lazy to do even basic research.

Mr. Sideways should go back at least 100 pages in the forums for Bangkok and Pattaya and read all the traffic up to the present day. He should take notes as he does so. He should also use his favorite search engine to locate points of interest on a map, which will give him a basic understanding of the areas of interest to naughty boys visiting both cities. Finally, he should look at the web sites collecting hotel and restaurant reviews.

Once he has done his homework, Mr. Sideways can ask specific questions about topics that have not yet been addressed, or about topics where the guidance may have changed recently. Otherwise he's just wasting everybody's time.[/QUOTE]The irony of this response when you talk about wasting bandwidth has not been lost on me. Hilarious.

[QUOTE=Bunky;2646443]...Every gent is full of questions before his first trip to Thailand. No shame in that.

But it's poor form to ask basic questions here that have been asked and answered in this forum dozens, if not HUNDREDS of times before. Questions of that nature clutter the forum, waste bandwidth and suggest the new guy is too lazy to do even basic research...[/QUOTE]I agree with you, poor form at its best.

[QUOTE=SidewaysOnTour;2646493]The irony of this response when you talk about wasting bandwidth has not been lost on me. Hilarious.[/QUOTE]Me Neither.

I remember a time 15 years ago when a Noob to Thailand would come and ask questions only to be told to [B]RTFF[/B] (Read The Fucking Forum) and, I never really understood that hostility.

I was once a Noob, and even though back in early 2000 I would devour hundreds of pages of these forums like ISG (BTF, Stickman, BA. All defunct now) but they never seemed to really answer all the questions I had. I always was left with 1 or 2 grey areas that I would have loved cleared.

At the time, it was also pretty hostile to newbs and their "stupid" or "Repetitive" questions, but thankfully, there was always a few guys willing to help out and I will always be grateful to them. GIOTTO, OTH, MICK LICKER, DUNIAWALA, 1 BALL, PITA123 to name a few (names from another set of decades, I know).

My HUGE advantage was that I was coming to Bangkok to work, I had time to discover everything, trial and error type of thing and so I did.

I tried places and reported on them, shared with everyone so that a few people would benefit (the same way other guy's reviews helped me).

However, P4 P is not simple and I quickly learned it was NOT OK to write descriptive reviews anymore. Several reasons:

1. Pricing is not always fixed and the price a girl charges for Customer A isn't the same as the one she charges Customer be:

A) She discriminates by skin color.

B) You're cute, she likes you and wants you to take her, even for a little less than the other guy sitting across the bar she's not very fond of.

B) You're the only customer willing to take her that day.

C) She's tired from 3 customers that day so to be her 4th you have to be generous.

D) She needs a place to stay the night, she's willing to go LT for ST price (that day).

2. She's doing something with you she's not usually doing with others.

3. As soon as you write a glowing review about a girl, be prepared to say goodbye to her, for her to disappear, Busy with all the forum readers now hunting for her.

4. Not everyone reading this forum is trustworthy.

Girls have been upset with me because some customers PRINTED my review and showed it to her, demanding exactly the same! (I'm serious).

[B]Bottom line, [/B] do what you feel, ask what you want and ignore the passive aggressive or negative replies, no one owns this forum and last time I checked, it's not against the rules to ask questions.

If people want to help you great, if not, just can move to the next post.

I understand tourists here for a short time, you don't want to make mistakes, you want to get it as right as you possibly can. Also guys visiting with their families and with only a window of a few hours to play.

Aren't we here because we want to build a loyal, harmonious brotherhood? Ready to help each other have the best time possible?

Or maybe I misunderstood the purpose of the forum.

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy;2646733]I remember a time 15 years ago when a Noob to Thailand would come and ask questions only to be told to [B]RTFF[/B] (Read The Fucking Forum) and, I never really understood that hostility.

[B]Bottom line, [/B] do what you feel, ask what you want and ignore the passive aggressive or negative replies, no one owns this forum and last time I checked, it's not against the rules to ask questions.[/QUOTE]I came to this forum 17 years ago and asked a question. I was told by OTH to RTFF. I did not understand it then, but I do now.

When I travel with chicks or go visit chicks I always ask them what we are going to do. Most have no clue. I tell them to look on the internet then. They will try the we will figure it out when you get here card. No. I need to know what to pack, how much money I will need, and other sorts of things depending on the activities that are planned. Most chicks are just too lazy to do the simple google searches and want someone else to figure it out. It is the same for people that come up and ask questions before they have read tff.

In primary school we would go to class and the teacher would teach us something, then she would send us home to practice what we had learned that day. When I got to graduate school we had to do what people mean when they say RTFF. We were expected to have already have read over and studied the new material, then we came to class and asked specific questions about things we may not have understood.

Some guys come on here with a primary school mentality expecting someone else to take the time to plan out their vacation and hand them the itinerary. People saying RTFF are grad school professors saying to put your big boy pants on and plan out your own vacation and then ask for clarification on any specifics.

It really is sad for someone to come on here and ask where are the best girls or how much do I need to pay chicks. To me that gives off a vibe that they don't have intentions of even traveling in the first place. I have encountered this multiple times with my own friends. Asking the same damn questions over and over. I got to the point where I do not give any information until they show me they have a ticket.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2646754]I have encountered this multiple times with my own friends. Asking the same damn questions over and over. I got to the point where I do not give any information until they show me they have a ticket.[/QUOTE]So true. So many guys have told me they're coming to Thailand for the past 7 years. I've told them they missed the boat, even in 2020 pre-COVID. Same for Germany for the past 12 years. Show me you're serious and I will help you.

I spent from February to October reading and following the Thai forum daily. I asked some questions. I had the help of some experienced guys who I knew from the Germany forums like Breadman, Finnish Fucker, and Syzygies. I got called out by a prominent member on ISG to RTFF and ironically he has since become a good friend of mine in real life.

However, to be fair to new guys when we first started there was plenty of useful information on the board. Now guys post about their nights out without even naming the bars they visited or girls. Someone like ET and I haven't gotten along over the years but I will be the first to thank him for his posts now as they are detailed and provide information.

I sometimes wonder about the good posters like Giotto, OTH, Mick Licker, Duniawala, 1 Ball, Pita123, Haven123 and (more recently) FL Hawk who seem to have disappeared. I know Giotto made a surprise reappearance here last year. Hope these guys are OK. Some of us are getting up there in age.

I have only a few more nights in Pattaya before I leave for Brazil. So, I am going with my favorite ladies from 2021.

Tonight, I booked a room at the Cape Dara Resort, and will drink drink some wine with a Mamasan who works in LK Metro. The hot tub generally motivates Thai ladies, probably because it's rare for them.

[QUOTE=Allover;2646826]Mick Licker...Hope these guys are OK[/QUOTE]Mick is probably still here under another Alias 😊.

He was MP LURKER, SYZYGIES and probably another handle by now.

[QUOTE=Allover;2646826]Haven123 and (more recently) FL Hawk who seem to have disappeared. [/QUOTE]FL still goes to Thailand more often than most of us. So dedicated he even did the full 14 day quarantine when it first came available. I believe he stopped posting because there was just too much negativity on this board. Anyone who has met FL knows he's a glass half full kind of guy.

I think I was with Haven his final nights in Thailand. He just seemed to have dropped off the scene after that. No longer in touch with him so don't know how he is. Can't believe that was 4 years ago.

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy;2646733]I remember a time 15 years ago when a Noob to Thailand would come and ask questions only to be told to [B]RTFF[/B] (Read The Fucking Forum) and, I never really understood that hostility.

I was once a Noob, and even though back in early 2000 I would devour hundreds of pages of these forums like ISG (BTF, Stickman, BA. All defunct now) but they never seemed to really answer all the questions I had. I always was left with 1 or 2 grey areas that I would have loved cleared.[/QUOTE]Back then you could RTFF and actually find quite a bit of useful information and actionable intel.

Now a days the forums are increasingly cluttered with jive talk, smack talk, combative alter egos, politics, untruths, falsehoods, third hand information consolidators, and people who have never been to Thailand yet talk authoritatively.

It is entertaining for the short time trolls who come and go, but bad for the punters and hobbyists looking to gain some practical knowledge.

SL.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2646763]Now guys post about their nights out without even naming the bars they visited or girls[/QUOTE]I used to make that mistake myself, being very detailed and it did cost me quite a bit. Not monetary, obviously but sometimes we underestimate the amount of guys lurking these pages, for every 5 or 10 replies to a review, there's probably a couple hundred guys taking note and actually wanting / demanding to repeat the same experience you wrote about.

These girls are women before they are prostitutes and sometimes they let themselves go and cross a line doing stuff with you they wouldn't usually do, so do you write about that? What if guys want it and that same girl says no? How many angry guys do you think will show the girl the ISG report? What are the chances she will deny doing this at all?

Also, as I said earlier, when you write a glowing review about a girl, chances are hundreds of ISG readers will now go after her and you might miss your chance to repeat. When you do get a chance to see her again she will be tired and might not have the same bubbly / GFE / pornstar service she once had.

It is a pickle, writing a report, it's not as easy as it seems when you're in it for the long game and expect to repeat.

Do you report the girl on the day of the encounter? Or do you wait until you're back home so as to make sure you're able to repeat if needed?

Maybe I ramble too much but these are questions that interest me, more so than which girl charges 1 K for ST and lets you do Anal (just an example). However I understand that info is VITAL to a forum like this.

We used to have a thread for reports of distinction, for exceptional and informative reports. Maybe we can have stickies with only places and prices.

Nic, I hear what you are saying. This is why I never name names or post pictures in my reports on an open forum. I report on my experiences, yes, my MO (more or less), and I name all the bars where I had both good and bad experiences, but after that it is up to each individual to make it happen.

But some guys start off with various bad attitudes or have poor strategies in place, so they are much less likely to have as good a time as myself in the same bar with the same girls. Other guys, who speak the lingo and have good attitudes can and will do a whole lot better. As the old proverb says, 'You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink.'

And then there are the girls; As you so rightly point out, they are not automatons. They are first and foremost woman. That said, they are in a service industry, so I appreciate an establishment that maintains a consistent minimum level of performance, and as I said above, I name those establishments in my field reports. But, there are a scores of reasons why a girl might perform better for one guy than another. That's were having a good attitude plus knowing what signs to look for before making a final selection pays off big time in the long run.

My combined #1 tip for enjoyers of BBFSCIP in Thailand is the following:

1) Freelancers never ask for condoms, at least the younger ones.

2) Never bring up condoms when communicating with them (e. G. On Tinder / Thaifriendly). Only one brought it up out of 12-15 girls. Good thing you have a vasectomy.

[QUOTE=DoktorEn;2647237]My combined #1 tip for enjoyers of BBFSCIP in Thailand is the following:..... Good thing you have a vasectomy.[/QUOTE]That made me chuckle. I remember a girl doing an interview on the Bangkok post years back and explaining that she was a Freelancer because she could not work in an establishment. They tested often and since she had AIDS, she wouldn't be able to pass the tests. She also mentioned that all her customers were having sex with her without condom and she didn't care because it's not her job to care for other's wellbeing.

Food For thought.

[QUOTE=DoktorEn;2647237]My combined #1 tip for enjoyers of BBFSCIP in Thailand is the following:

1) Freelancers never ask for condoms, at least the younger ones.

2) Never bring up condoms when communicating with them (e. G. On Tinder / Thaifriendly). Only one brought it up out of 12-15 girls. Good thing you have a vasectomy.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the uplifting report and tip with a very happy ending for, well, almost all of us.

However, you and I must be meeting and choosing radically different Freelancers in Thailand. Or maybe I am choosing them while they are in a more elevated state of awake and alert sobriety. Or it could simply be that I am too disgusting and hideously ugly for more than about 20%, one out of five, Freelancers who I don't vet for BBFS+CIP upfront before I take or meet them in person to agree to it for any amount of money in "go with the flow and see what happens in the room" mode.

That is about my rate of success in getting BBFS+CIP with all hookers in Thailand whether they are Freelancers online, in a bar, in a club or on the street, go-go dancers, beer bar girls or massage shop girls, girls in their early 20's to ladies in their 30's and 40's, whether it was during normal times or during the past two years of supposedly "dire economic" conditions. It doesn't matter. For the past nearly 10 years of living here, speaking fairly competent Thai, smiling a lot and not being the least bit stingy with my money, only about 1 out of 5, roughly 20% of the girls I take to my room in "go with the flow" mode will relatively easily go along with BBFS+CIP with me instead of blocking me with a clear verbal and / or body language resistance to BBFS+CIP. That means from outright declaring "No" followed by a "No condom, no sex" lecture to blocking their pussy at the point of penetration when nothing was said, to wiggling away and rolling out of bed to avoid it.

Then again, I am not really a drinker and don't take any other mind-altering drugs. So maybe I am also in enough of an elevated state of awake and alert sobriety to recognize a verbal "No" when I hear one and a body language "No" when I see one. Who knows. I should also mention that I have had a vasectomy, tell the girls about it in Thai and offer to show any of the resistant ones a recent negative, normal HIV / STD blood check document from Thai Red Cross. It still doesn't matter or change my overall 20% success rate in "go with the flow" mode.

In fact, even about 20% of the Thai hookers I vet thoroughly upfront for BBFS+CIP before I meet them from dating sites, pay their barfine and take them from a bar or walk off with them from a club or the street will still hit me with something like, "No, I misunderstood!" in the bed. In which case, I will abort the mission, thank them for their time, give them some small token of payment I deem fair, thank them for their time and wave bye at the door. Virtually none of those types change their minds and return to renegotiate money or terms before they step into the elevator and disappear with nothing more than an additional 100-200 baht taxi fare in their purse.

Now, I am not complaining. I am just offering my personal experience here with the Thai girls I meet and choose, comparing notes and tips with the assessment you made from your experience in your post.

Actually, for all of the past almost 10 years of living here my dance card has been quite full with girls eager to have and repeat BBFS+CIP with me, pester me for it day and night, from adorably cute ones, hot and sexy ones, young ones, middling ones, older ones and, sure, some who most of us would consider hard cases one takes more out of charity than anything remotely like desire. So there are still plenty of more than doable, even quite objectively lovely and desirable Thai girls here who apparently can look past my disgusting hideousness to endure BBFS+CIP with me any time I want anyway.

But is it anywhere close to "all" or "most" on a first or even second meeting? No way. Not for me, that is.

I am being subjected to an attempt by a bargirl to be my bargirlfriend (not the same as a girlfriend). A bargirlfriend's aim is barfines, drinks and cash gifts. She will be your girlfriend in the bar and when you barfine her. One standard tactic is to post on Facebook her love for an anonymous male, which is seen by her 100's of Facebook friends, but you are supposed to think it's about you.

The upside is enthusiastic sex, which will last until she realizes I am not a chump.

Unless you are willing to part with a lot of cash, it's best to ignore the attack. That would make her Thai boyfriend sad, though.

A lot of guys can't distinguish between attempts at a real relationship and a bar relationship, and the result is great sadness and loss of your savings. You sometimes see posts about chumps who buy gold baht for bargirls during their 2 weeks in Thailand, or the girls will brag about some guy throwing cash at them. Don't be that guy.

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy;2647435]That made me chuckle. I remember a girl doing an interview on the Bangkok post years back and explaining that she was a Freelancer because she could not work in an establishment. They tested often and since she had AIDS, she wouldn't be able to pass the tests. She also mentioned that all her customers were having sex with her without condom and she didn't care because it's not her job to care for other's wellbeing.

Food For thought.[/QUOTE]It may be worthwhile to contemplate that many of her customers may already have AIDS and could not care less for her wellbeing as well.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2647530]I am being subjected to an attempt by a bargirl to be my bargirlfriend (not the same as a girlfriend). A bargirlfriend's aim is barfines, drinks and cash gifts. She will be your girlfriend in the bar and when you barfine her. One standard tactic is to post on Facebook her love for an anonymous male, which is seen by her 100's of Facebook friends, but you are supposed to think it's about you.

The upside is enthusiastic sex, which will last until she realizes I am not a chump.

Unless you are willing to part with a lot of cash, it's best to ignore the attack. That would make her Thai boyfriend sad, though.

A lot of guys can't distinguish between attempts at a real relationship and a bar relationship, and the result is great sadness and loss of your savings. You sometimes see posts about chumps who buy gold baht for bargirls during their 2 weeks in Thailand, or the girls will brag about some guy throwing cash at them. Don't be that guy.[/QUOTE]Every guy will be "that guy" sometime in their Thai punting.

You don't learn it if you don't earn it.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2647525]Thanks for the uplifting report and tip with a very happy ending for, well, almost all of us.

However, you and I must be meeting and choosing radically different Freelancers in Thailand. Or maybe I am choosing them while they are in a more elevated state of awake and alert sobriety. Or it could simply be that I am too disgusting and hideously ugly for more than about 20%, one out of five, Freelancers who I don't vet for BBFS+CIP upfront before I take or meet them in person to agree to it for any amount of money in "go with the flow and see what happens in the room" mode.

That is about my rate of success in getting BBFS+CIP with all hookers in Thailand whether they are Freelancers online, in a bar, in a club or on the street, go-go dancers, beer bar girls or massage shop girls, girls in their early 20's to ladies in their 30's and 40's, whether it was during normal times or during the past two years of supposedly "dire economic" conditions. It doesn't matter. For the past nearly 10 years of living here, speaking fairly competent Thai, smiling a lot and not being the least bit stingy with my money, only about 1 out of 5, roughly 20% of the girls I take to my room in "go with the flow" mode will relatively easily go along with BBFS+CIP with me instead of blocking me with a clear verbal and / or body language resistance to BBFS+CIP. That means from outright declaring "No" followed by a "No condom, no sex" lecture to blocking their pussy at the point of penetration when nothing was said, to wiggling away and rolling out of bed to avoid it.

Then again, I am not really a drinker and don't take any other mind-altering drugs. So maybe I am also in enough of an elevated state of awake and alert sobriety to recognize a verbal "No" when I hear one and a body language "No" when I see one. Who knows. I should also mention that I have had a vasectomy, tell the girls about it in Thai and offer to show any of the resistant ones a recent negative, normal HIV / STD blood check document from Thai Red Cross. It still doesn't matter or change my overall 20% success rate in "go with the flow" mode.

In fact, even about 20% of the Thai hookers I vet thoroughly upfront for BBFS+CIP before I meet them from dating sites, pay their barfine and take them from a bar or walk off with them from a club or the street will still hit me with something like, "No, I misunderstood!" in the bed. In which case, I will abort the mission, thank them for their time, give them some small token of payment I deem fair, thank them for their time and wave bye at the door. Virtually none of those types change their minds and return to renegotiate money or terms before they step into the elevator and disappear with nothing more than an additional 100-200 baht taxi fare in their purse.[/QUOTE]Interesting, in over 5 years living here, and traveling all over Thailand, I find the figure for me much higher, probably around 50%plus.

And most surprisingly, my highest figure by location would be Hua Hin, close to 100% there.

Bangkok and Pattaya would be 70-80%.

Phuket where I have punted by far the most would be lowest, especially in Patong at maybe 25%, but Rawai / Chalong which is my home turf is back at 50% plus.

I am putting my success down to being a "handsome man", being generous and polite in the bar or meet (massage, etc), having a good game plan, and reading likely prospects well.

I am cut (vasectomy a long time ago), come across as very clean cut and safe, and know when "a no is a no."

I don't overpay at all, but always reward a girl who loses control her "no's" to her desires during a session.

As I said above, have a game, know what you seek, and pick your prospects well.

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy;2646733]I remember a time 15 years ago when a Noob to Thailand would come and ask questions only to be told to [B]RTFF[/B] (Read The Fucking Forum) and, I never really understood that hostility.

I was once a Noob, and even though back in early 2000 I would devour hundreds of pages of these forums like ISG (BTF, Stickman, BA. All defunct now) but they never seemed to really answer all the questions I had. I always was left with 1 or 2 grey areas that I would have loved cleared.

At the time, it was also pretty hostile to newbs and their "stupid" or "Repetitive" questions, but thankfully, there was always a few guys willing to help out and I will always be grateful to them. GIOTTO, OTH, MICK LICKER, DUNIAWALA, 1 BALL, PITA123 to name a few (names from another set of decades, I know).

My HUGE advantage was that I was coming to Bangkok to work, I had time to discover everything, trial and error type of thing and so I did.

I tried places and reported on them, shared with everyone so that a few people would benefit (the same way other guy's reviews helped me).

However, P4 P is not simple and I quickly learned it was NOT OK to write descriptive reviews anymore. Several reasons:

1. Pricing is not always fixed and the price a girl charges for Customer A isn't the same as the one she charges Customer be:

A) She discriminates by skin color...[/QUOTE]Nice thoughtful reply at NicFrenchy.

I agree with everything I read.

If you ever get to Phuket drop me a PM.

I think we would have an interesting chat over a beer or two.

Or would the preference be for a nice red.

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy;2646733]I remember a time 15 years ago when a Noob to Thailand would come and ask questions only to be told to [B]RTFF[/B] (Read The Fucking Forum) and, I never really understood that hostility.

I was once a Noob, and even though back in early 2000 I would devour hundreds of pages of these forums like ISG (BTF, Stickman, BA. All defunct now) but they never seemed to really answer all the questions I had. I always was left with 1 or 2 grey areas that I would have loved cleared.

At the time, it was also pretty hostile to newbs and their "stupid" or "Repetitive" questions, but thankfully, there was always a few guys willing to help out and I will always be grateful to them. GIOTTO, OTH, MICK LICKER, DUNIAWALA, 1 BALL, PITA123 to name a few (names from another set of decades, I know).

My HUGE advantage was that I was coming to Bangkok to work, I had time to discover everything, trial and error type of thing and so I did.

I tried places and reported on them, shared with everyone so that a few people would benefit (the same way other guy's reviews helped me).

However, P4 P is not simple and I quickly learned it was NOT OK to write descriptive reviews anymore. Several reasons:

1. Pricing is not always fixed and the price a girl charges for Customer A isn't the same as the one she charges Customer be:

A) She discriminates by skin color..[/QUOTE]Well said.

[QUOTE=ThaiGoodTimes;2647795]Interesting, in over 5 years living here, and traveling all over Thailand, I find the figure for me much higher, probably around 50%plus.

And most surprisingly, my highest figure by location would be Hua Hin, close to 100% there.

Bangkok and Pattaya would be 70-80%.

Phuket where I have punted by far the most would be lowest, especially in Patong at maybe 25%, but Rawai / Chalong which is my home turf is back at 50% plus.

I am putting my success down to being a "handsome man", being generous and polite in the bar or meet (massage, etc), having a good game plan, and reading likely prospects well..[/QUOTE]Yes, interesting. For me it is at least a 60% or more success rate in getting a "Yes" response to "boom boom no condom, ok mai?" when I ask them directly, upfront and face to face in the bar, the club or on the street before I pay a barfine or take them. Far better than my 20% or so success rate in avoiding a verbal or physical resistance to it in "go with the flow and see what happens in the room" mode. That's why I much prefer the former over the latter.

It kind of goes like this for me; Getting a Yes response is non existent if I am only texting such a question online on TF or Tinder. And it is definitely not possible on an escort site or anything like Fiwfans where a third party, pimp or clerk is actually doing the chatting for the girl or where the girl knows a third party will at some point read the question and her response.

My success rate in getting a Yes improves to at least 30-40% if I have engaged in a video chat with the online girl. It hits the 60%+ level if I am meeting her in person. Same as other venues or options.

And I am mostly only talking about Bangkok. My success rate in getting a Yes response from the girls I approach face to face, live and in person or in "go with the flow" mode in Pattaya is so low I haven't bothered to seriously monger there other than 1-2 tries per day or night over a typical three day visit for years, not even during these supposedly "dire economic" times.

And, bear in mind, I am talking about my success rate in getting a Yes response upfront from the girls I approach or meet before the deal has been closed. Then among those girls my success rate in getting the BBFS+CIP in the room that she agreed to hits at least 80%, much better than the 20% or so I would get if I negotiated nothing upfront.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2648234]And, bear in mind, I am talking about my success rate in getting a Yes response upfront from the girls I approach or meet before the deal has been closed. Then among those girls my success rate in getting the BBFS+CIP in the room that she agreed to hits at least 80%, much better than the 20% or so I would get if I negotiated nothing upfront.[/QUOTE]My need for BBFSCIP was only for my second pop of the day, but as I age I worry that I may need it all the time. If I get a "yes" on the street or in the bar, I get about 50% unreminded compliance in the room, 30% compliance with reminders, and 20% refusal even when prior agreement was reached. Regarding my first pop of the day, if I struggle it is not uncommon for her to pull off the condom and just continue BB. Requirements for condom goes way down on second and third dates.

Most of my experience is in Bangkok and Samui, and I see no major difference in compliance rates based on location. Perhaps somewhat better compliance in certain corners of Samui where I’m a known face. My experiences in Aonang, Phuket, and Pattaya have been too few to assign compliance percentages based on location.

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy;2646733]I remember a time 15 years ago when a Noob to Thailand would come and ask questions only to be told to [B]RTFF[/B] (Read The Fucking Forum) and, I never really understood that hostility.
I was once a Noob, and even though back in early 2000 I would devour hundreds of pages of these forums like ISG (BTF, Stickman, BA. All defunct now) but they never seemed to really answer all the questions I had. I always was left with 1 or 2 grey areas that I would have loved cleared.[/QUOTE]This was exactly my point when I said that the OP should read dozens of pages first, and then come back to us if he still has specific questions. That is OK.
What is not OK for a noob is to post very general questions, and then expect detailed answers. It undermines the purpose of the forum if all noobs post the same questions over and over again, and get the same answers over and over again.

[QUOTE=DoktorEn;2647237]My combined #1 tip for enjoyers of BBFSCIP in Thailand is the following:

1) Freelancers never ask for condoms, at least the younger ones.

2) Never bring up condoms when communicating with them (e. G. On Tinder / Thaifriendly). Only one brought it up out of 12-15 girls. Good thing you have a vasectomy.[/QUOTE]Re 1: This is not my experience. When I still had 'going with the flow' as my MO (nowadays I always ask for BBFS beforehand), I think at least 50% of the girls insisted on condoms. Although I agree that this percentage was lower among the younger ones (up to 22/23 yo, approximately).

Re 2: I guess you were just lucky that only one brought it up. Or the girls needed a customer badly.
But as soon as the situation has returned to normal, and punters are flooding Thailand again, the girls will most lilely bring it up more often.

I think having a vasectomy is not important in Thailand, as the majority of the girls take birth control pills. The girls that insist on condoms are usually not scared of getting pregnant, they are only scared of STDs.

[QUOTE=Bunky;2646443]Questions of that nature clutter the forum, waste bandwidth [/QUOTE]Is it not more a waste of bandwidth complaining about somebody wasting bandwidth, even more so this post about somebody complaining about somebody wasting bandwidth.

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy;2646963]MSYZYGIES and probably another handle by now.[/QUOTE]Not sure about that, otherwise the forum would be cluttered with posts on the horror of fake noses.

[URL]https://www.yahoo.com/news/thailand-plans-impose-tourist-fee-105427449.html[/URL]

This is to offset the loss of revenue due to covid.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2650173][URL]https://www.yahoo.com/news/thailand-plans-impose-tourist-fee-105427449.html[/URL]

This is to offset the loss of revenue due to covid.[/QUOTE]You won't even see it. It will be added to the ticket price.

With pork price going up in Thailand that may not be pork that you are eating at all, rather crocodile.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2650896]With pork price going up in Thailand that may not be pork that you are eating at all, rather crocodile.[/QUOTE]Croc is tasty. It's an Everglades special.

[QUOTE=AxelHeyst;2651020]Croc is tasty. It's an Everglades special.[/QUOTE]The mystery meat I was served from a food cart on Sukhumvit Soi 13 could have been croc, it certainly wasn't the pork as advertised. Very tough, but not a terrible taste. Didn't go back for more.

[QUOTE=AxelHeyst;2651020]Croc is tasty. It's an Everglades special.[/QUOTE]My best friend is from Texas was just preparing to smoke one last week when I was at his restaurant.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2648234]Yes, interesting. For me it is at least a 60% or more success rate in getting a "Yes" response to "boom boom no condom, ok mai?" when I ask them directly, upfront and face to face in the bar, the club or on the street before I pay a barfine or take them. Far better than my 20% or so success rate in avoiding a verbal or physical resistance to it in "go with the flow and see what happens in the room" mode. That's why I much prefer the former over the latter.

It kind of goes like this for me; Getting a Yes response is non existent if I am only texting such a question online on TF or Tinder. And it is definitely not possible on an escort site or anything like Fiwfans where a third party, pimp or clerk is actually doing the chatting for the girl or where the girl knows a third party will at some point read the question and her response.

My success rate in getting a Yes improves to at least 30-40% if I have engaged in a video chat with the online girl. It hits the 60%+ level if I am meeting her in person. Same as other venues or options.

And I am mostly only talking about Bangkok. My success rate in getting a Yes response from the girls I approach face to face, live and in person or in "go with the flow" mode in Pattaya is so low I haven't bothered to seriously monger there other than 1-2 tries per day or night over a typical three day visit for years, not even during these supposedly "dire economic" times.

And, bear in mind, I am talking about my success rate in getting a Yes response upfront from the girls I approach or meet before the deal has been closed. Then among those girls my success rate in getting the BBFS+CIP in the room that she agreed to hits at least 80%, much better than the 20% or so I would get if I negotiated nothing upfront.[/QUOTE]

Good information. Do you directly invite girls to your condo or first meet with them in malls, cafes etc? You offer BBFS when girls come to your condo or outside,at cafe etc ?

[QUOTE=KievFreak;2651102]Good information. Do you directly invite girls to your condo or first meet with them in malls, cafes etc? You offer BBFS when girls come to your condo or outside,at cafe etc ?[/QUOTE]In the 2-3 years pre Covid I was mostly an online dating site punter; ThaiFriendly, Tinder and in the earlier years ThaiCupid. About 80% online and 20% go-go bars, occasionally just meet them in restaurants, malls, on bts / mrt trains. I rarely took girls from beer bars. Only once or twice took a massage shop girl in the past 5-6 years.

Of course, during the Covid closures new girls were practically all met online, only sometimes walking around.

Then when beer bars began to reopen a few months ago, it was fun and a relief to get back out there in the world to shop for new girls in person.

There are some exceptions. But, generally, if it is strictly for pay and clearly understood as such from the beginning, I will state my essential requirements upfront as soon as possible, including "boom boom no condom" but, optimally, only after a face-to-face meeting or a video chat for the improvement in getting that Yes response as outlined in my post you quoted.

My agreeing to take them from a bar, club or off the street is generally contingent on them agreeing upfront and with a clear and unambiguous Yes to what I want in the room such as kissing with our tongues touching, "boom boom no condom", a blowjob with a cum inside mouth finish, whatever.

If no money has been mentioned by either of us, I just invite them over and am then fine with the "go with the flow and see what happens in the room" method. Why not? Then if it turns out she is not going to go with the flow into anything of sexual value to me, I will likely just thank her for her time, say nice meeting you and bye. Sure, if she claims not to have money for a ride back to her room, I'll probably give her 100 baht or so to help, depending on how far we went with the flow before we hit a wall.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2651147]In the 2-3 years pre Covid I was mostly an online dating site punter; ThaiFriendly, Tinder and in the earlier years ThaiCupid. About 80% online and 20% go-go bars, occasionally just meet them in restaurants, malls, on bts / mrt trains. I rarely took girls from beer bars. Only once or twice took a massage shop girl in the past 5-6 years.

Of course, during the Covid closures new girls were practically all met online, only sometimes walking around.

Then when beer bars began to reopen a few months ago, it was fun and a relief to get back out there in the world to shop for new girls in person.

There are some exceptions. But, generally, if it is strictly for pay and clearly understood as such from the beginning, I will state my essential requirements upfront as soon as possible, including "boom boom no condom" but, optimally, only after a face-to-face meeting or a video chat for the improvement in getting that Yes response as outlined in my post you quoted.

My agreeing to take them from a bar, club or off the street is generally contingent on them agreeing upfront and with a clear and unambiguous Yes to what I want in the room such as kissing with our tongues touching, "boom boom no condom", a blowjob with a cum inside mouth finish, whatever.

If no money has been mentioned by either of us, I just invite them over and am then fine with the "go with the flow and see what happens in the room" method. Why not? Then if it turns out she is not going to go with the flow into anything of sexual value to me, I will likely just thank her for her time, say nice meeting you and bye. Sure, if she claims not to have money for a ride back to her room, I'll probably give her 100 baht or so to help, depending on how far we went with the flow before we hit a wall.[/QUOTE]How to say kissing with tongue in Thai langue?

I say boom boom may say tung yang for BBFS and CIM in mouth I use duut ham gin nam. But don't know how to say kissing with tongue. They usually don't understand it or pretend so.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2651147]In the 2-3 years pre Covid I was mostly an online dating site punter; ThaiFriendly, Tinder and in the earlier years ThaiCupid. About 80% online and 20% go-go bars, occasionally just meet them in restaurants, malls, on bts / mrt trains. I rarely took girls from beer bars. Only once or twice took a massage shop girl in the past 5-6 years.

Of course, during the Covid closures new girls were practically all met online, only sometimes walking around.

Then when beer bars began to reopen a few months ago, it was fun and a relief to get back out there in the world to shop for new girls in person.

There are some exceptions. But, generally, if it is strictly for pay and clearly understood as such from the beginning, I will state my essential requirements upfront as soon as possible, including "boom boom no condom" but, optimally, only after a face-to-face meeting or a video chat for the improvement in getting that Yes response as outlined in my post you quoted.

My agreeing to take them from a bar, club or off the street is generally contingent on them agreeing upfront and with a clear and unambiguous Yes to what I want in the room such as kissing with our tongues touching, "boom boom no condom", a blowjob with a cum inside mouth finish, whatever.

If no money has been mentioned by either of us, I just invite them over and am then fine with the "go with the flow and see what happens in the room" method. Why not? Then if it turns out she is not going to go with the flow into anything of sexual value to me, I will likely just thank her for her time, say nice meeting you and bye. Sure, if she claims not to have money for a ride back to her room, I'll probably give her 100 baht or so to help, depending on how far we went with the flow before we hit a wall.[/QUOTE]You sound like a true pro. LOL. Now speaking for myself I'm 95% of the time wearing a rubber. The feeling sucks and chaffe is the worst after 2-3 x in a day but I never get the "Burn" when wearing the rubber. I have a bud who will not take a girl unless it's FSBB. His technique was always based on % and most went if he asked them up front and then gave a refined and battle sales pitch. Every time we took a trip to Land. He always caught something going BB. Always popping anti-virals. So my question. If you have a x% of going bareback with a girl which is common. What is the % of in a 12-15 day trip in the Land you end up itching and burning headed to the Pharmacy? LOL.

[QUOTE=SportMongr;2651281]He always caught something going BB[/QUOTE]With all these girls having Thai boyfriends that only do them BB and CIP, you are bound to catch something. If you're lucky it's going to be benign, if not it's going to ba Herpes of Aids.

It's a Lottery, and based on pure luck, it's not really a numbers game. You could wear a rubber 9 times out of 10 and the only 1 time you don't. Bingo.

It's a risk.

[QUOTE=SportMongr;2651281]You sound like a true pro. LOL. Now speaking for myself I'm 95% of the time wearing a rubber. The feeling sucks and chaffe is the worst after 2-3 x in a day but I never get the "Burn" when wearing the rubber. I have a bud who will not take a girl unless it's FSBB. His technique was always based on % and most went if he asked them up front and then gave a refined and battle sales pitch. Every time we took a trip to Land. He always caught something going BB. Always popping anti-virals. So my question. If you have a x% of going bareback with a girl which is common. What is the % of in a 12-15 day trip in the Land you end up itching and burning headed to the Pharmacy? LOL.[/QUOTE]All I can say is aside from that one dose of trichomoniasis I got from a GF about 47 years ago, from the thousands of prostitutes and hundreds of regular girls I have bareback fucked I have never experienced a burn, a drip, a weird discharge, an itch or, in fact, a common cold, the sniffles, the flu, a pink eye or, as of this writing, Covid.

I have been checked and tested for just about everything, comprehensive physical exams at Bumrungrad Hospital and all that, get an HIV and Syphilis blood check at Thai Red Cross every 2-3 months just out of courtesy in being able to show the negative results to anyone who wants to see it. Nothing.

Three or four times in the past couple of decades I did get a small surface skin abrasion on the side of my dick from a too aggressive cowgirl position rider the night before. Rubbing some non pharmaceutical regular moisturizing lotion like the kind made by Nivea and available in any ordinary market was the only thing required to clear that up in a day or two.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2651348]I have been checked and tested for just about everything, comprehensive physical exams at Bumrungrad Hospital and all that, get an HIV and Syphilis blood check at Thai Red Cross every 2-3 months just out of courtesy in being able to show the negative results to anyone who wants to see it. Nothing.
[/QUOTE]This paper addresses HIV transmission rates. For me, the take away point is to never get butt fucked.

[URL]https://www.catie.ca/sites/default/files/HIV-TRANSMISSION-RISK-EN.pdf[/URL]

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2651348]All I can say is aside from that one dose of trichomoniasis I got from a GF about 47 years ago, from the thousands of prostitutes and hundreds of regular girls I have bareback fucked I have never experienced a burn, a drip, a weird discharge, an itch or, in fact, a common cold, the sniffles, the flu, a pink eye or, as of this writing, Covid.[/QUOTE]And on the seventh day, you rested?

SL.

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy;2651292]With all these girls having Thai boyfriends that only do them BB and CIP, you are bound to catch something. If you're lucky it's going to be benign, if not it's going to ba Herpes of Aids.

It's a Lottery, and based on pure luck, it's not really a numbers game. You could wear a rubber 9 times out of 10 and the only 1 time you don't. Bingo.

It's a risk.[/QUOTE]Everyone has to determine their own risk tolerance. An old person who doesn't have long to live may not have any worries about HIV. Even a young person in good health who catches the disease will likely live a full life with todays best meds. For some the danger of covid may be much more of a concern, as it tends to kill much more quickly & is so much easier to catch.

HIV is still a risk to condom wearers. Condoms can be defective inside of the package or be compromised in multiple ways afterwards.

Getting your sex worker gal tested negative for HIV before bareback sex with her provides more or less the same protection from HIV as condom use does. Circumcision affords an additional measure of protection vs HIV. As would using an effective long lasting lubricant such as fresh scented coconut oil which serves as a STI barrier. As an added bonus, Thai females love the smell. BTW, having had hundreds of BBFS sessions with Bangkok street ladies of the night, I remain HIV free.

To many bareback is a much more preferable and or pleasurable and or memorable experience. I mean who wants to have sex with a condom when you can have sex with a woman. Might as well stay home, save endless travel related hassles, thousands in expenses, and use the hand or a TPE sex doll. At least that would be bareback and the sex would no doubt be better. Better also, I might add, than most no condom pay for play sessions.

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy;2651292]With all these girls having Thai boyfriends that only do them BB and CIP, you are bound to catch something. If you're lucky it's going to be benign, if not it's going to ba Herpes of Aids.

It's a Lottery, and based on pure luck, it's not really a numbers game. You could wear a rubber 9 times out of 10 and the only 1 time you don't. Bingo.

It's a risk.[/QUOTE]
I take prep (truvada) daily mate. And have vaccine for hepatitis a and b.

But for other stuffs such as gonorroe and cladimia I don't take anything. Any recommendations for Nasty stuffs other than HIV?

[QUOTE=HorseTrader;2651493]This paper addresses HIV transmission rates. For me, the take away point is to never get butt fucked.

[URL]https://www.catie.ca/sites/default/files/HIV-TRANSMISSION-RISK-EN.pdf[/URL].[/QUOTE]Yes, although I know for a fact I have never been fucked in the butt, never shared a needle, never gotten a blood transfusion and never engaged in the kind of blood-letting, skin tearing sexual rituals some Sub Saharan African cultures engage in, the girl I have just met can't know that, even if she knew how astronomically low the chances are she would even meet an HIV-positive heterosexual male much less have sex with him enough times to present a reasonable risk of getting infected herself.

So I stop by Thai Red Cross and get the 1 hour, 200 baht test for it every 2-3 months in case someone wants to see my test result document.

BTW, since the topic of the HIV transmission inhibiting drug PrEP was mentioned, I can also report that not once has the various Thai Red Cross counselors who hand me my negative test result document behind closed doors ever suggested or recommended I take that drug.

I know PrEP is available at the Thai Red Cross testing clinic I go to. I think you can get it practically for free there. And in the little interview the counselors conduct before they give you the test result, I reply that I have multiple female sexual partners, no regular girlfriend or wife and never wear a condom during sexual intercourse.

Yet not one time in the dozens of interviews has the counselor said anything about perhaps I should start taking PrEP or even mentioned it.

Just sayin'.

Sorry if this has been asked before but are some ladyboys posting as female? I never used these dating apps before but some of these girls I think can pass as kathoey. TIA.

One of the traps guys fall into is to get hooked into a relationship with a bargirl. My advice to anyone in a mongering paradise like Pattaya is to stay solo. I had an off and on again relationship with a bargirl for years. When we were together, we were both frustrated, me because I knew there were plenty of other ladies to fuck, and she because she could make a lot more money alone. I finally pulled the plug on her earlier this month, and she has hooked a guy who gives her a salary but she only sees him in the day, and then she can see other customers at night.

Meanwhile, I am traveling in Brazil with her twin sister, but will detach when we return to Thailand. She wants 2 nights a week when we get back, which is okay. I also have a bargirlfriend who wants one night a week to consummate our eternal love. That gives me 4 nights a week to sample the rest of Pattaya.

I plan to take short trips outside of Thailand when possible. Most ladies are dying to go Inter. However, my advice is not to go Inter with someone you have not traveled with before. Do an overnighter in Bangkok first, then maybe a few days in Chiang Mai or Phuket, don't risk an international trip with a new lady. She may have a Thai boyfriend who won't let her travel, which you won't know if you don't go on trips with her previous to international travel.

As always, if you repeat with a bargirl, don't go with other ladies in her bar, unless you end your "relationship."

As a long term resident in Pattaya, I have to be careful of crossing any lady, even if it means paying her off. There are only a couple of ladies who I have ghosted, and both provoked me by giving me goodbye rants.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2652930] She wants 2 nights a week when we get back, which is okay. I also have a bargirlfriend who wants one night a week to consummate our eternal love. That gives me 4 nights a week to sample the rest of Pattaya.[/QUOTE]It's your time you don't have to commit to any time with a girl even if she is a Freebie. When you are feeling lazy or don't feel like hitting the clubs on a given night, you call her to hook up. She doesn't dictate what you do, you do! A girl is lucky that we even consider being with them or have them on our Line.

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy;2651292]With all these girls having Thai boyfriends that only do them BB and CIP, you are bound to catch something. If you're lucky it's going to be benign, if not it's going to ba Herpes of Aids.

It's a Lottery, and based on pure luck, it's not really a numbers game. You could wear a rubber 9 times out of 10 and the only 1 time you don't. Bingo.

It's a risk.[/QUOTE]Yup you're 100% correct. During some of my trips I tried to have a few BB sessions or did just when I was over exerted and struggling with a lady. Going 9/10 never worked. I remember often getting lucky or unlucky on that 1/10 BB session and getting a burn a few days later. Condoms suck Burns suck. Herpes suck. Can't imagine catching HIV. That would seriously suck. Guess you got to pick your poison.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2653073]It's your time you don't have to commit to any time with a girl even if she is a Freebie. When you are feeling lazy or don't feel like hitting the clubs on a given night, you call her to hook up. She doesn't dictate what you do, you do! A girl is lucky that we even consider being with them or have them on our Line.[/QUOTE]I am okay with one night a week with the lady I am with now, I wouldn't mind a regular night with her. She's flexible, though, and I can cancel her if someone hotter comes along.

I am hoping that my bargirl friend only wants one night a week, in the sense that I don't have to worry about her the other 6 nights. The problem with a bargirl friend is that sometimes they insist you don't go with any other lady, while they are free to go with other customers.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2651348]All I can say is aside from that one dose of trichomoniasis I got from a GF about 47 years ago, from the thousands of prostitutes and hundreds of regular girls I have bareback fucked I have never experienced a burn, a drip, a weird discharge, an itch or, in fact, a common cold, the sniffles, the flu, a pink eye or, as of this writing, Covid.

I have been checked and tested for just about everything, comprehensive physical exams at Bumrungrad Hospital and all that, get an HIV and Syphilis blood check at Thai Red Cross every 2-3 months just out of courtesy in being able to show the negative results to anyone who wants to see it. Nothing.

Three or four times in the past couple of decades I did get a small surface skin abrasion on the side of my dick from a too aggressive cowgirl position rider the night before. Rubbing some non pharmaceutical regular moisturizing lotion like the kind made by Nivea and available in any ordinary market was the only thing required to clear that up in a day or two.[/QUOTE]Congratulations dude! You have the ultimate immune system built to be a Falang in Thailand! Count your lucky stars that is not normal. Some people win the lotto as well. Doesn't mean everyone will.

[QUOTE=SportMongr;2653181]Congratulations dude! You have the ultimate immune system built to be a Falang in Thailand! Count your lucky stars that is not normal. Some people win the lotto as well. Doesn't mean everyone will.[/QUOTE]So maybe that is why I have not gotten Covid. Only thing I have ever gotten was crabs when I was delivering Dominos Pizza in college. I guess I won the good immune system instead of the lotto.

This had me in splits.

[QUOTE=Sunlover2;2651519]And on the seventh day, you rested?.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=FunQuest;2652774]Sorry if this has been asked before but are some ladyboys posting as female? I never used these dating apps before but some of these girls I think can pass as kathoey. TIA.[/QUOTE]Yes there are a very small number who lie, mostly the post-ops. But most ladyboys are honest about it as they can find customers who are interested.

This is a general story that covers all of Thailand so I'll put it here. Ran into a young guy who quit his job, came to Thailand with little savings and 'doesn't give the girls money' but they'll come over and fuck him for free. He's one of those 'butterflys' they call them here, girls get tired of sex with older foreigners and want a younger one. So they'll do their best to snag him, possibly try to keep him while still 'earning money'. Now what sets him apart is his view on prostitution, how bad it is that these women have no other option than to open their legs. A white knight? Thing is he wants to be a bar manager where the girls make their money and the bar money by opening their legs and his salary in turn would be paid for by the girls 'work'. Guys who pay understand what they are doing, its the nature of the beast. I did find it interesting how he viewed himself seeing 'working girls', he's not seeing non working girls. He'll then 'tip' a girl some money and tell her she should come to his condo later that night and then say 'I never paid her money for sex'. But the tip was 1000 baht.

[QUOTE=Breadman;2653710]This is a general story that covers all of Thailand so I'll put it here. Ran into a young guy who quit his job, came to Thailand with little savings and 'doesn't give the girls money' but they'll come over and fuck him for free. He's one of those 'butterflys' they call them here, girls get tired of sex with older foreigners and want a younger one. So they'll do their best to snag him, possibly try to keep him while still 'earning money'. Now what sets him apart is his view on prostitution, how bad it is that these women have no other option than to open their legs. A white knight? Thing is he wants to be a bar manager where the girls make their money and the bar money by opening their legs and his salary in turn would be paid for by the girls 'work'. Guys who pay understand what they are doing, its the nature of the beast. I did find it interesting how he viewed himself seeing 'working girls', he's not seeing non working girls. He'll then 'tip' a girl some money and tell her she should come to his condo later that night and then say 'I never paid her money for sex'. But the tip was 1000 baht.[/QUOTE]I've never paid a girl to come home with me. Paid plenty to leave in the morning though. 😁.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2654069]I've never paid a girl to come home with me. Paid plenty to leave in the morning though. 😁.[/QUOTE]Charly Sheen ("I never pay a woman for sex. I pay her to leave in the morning").

[QUOTE=Downandup;2653315]But most ladyboys are honest about it as they can find customers who are interested.[/QUOTE]Really? Ask the LBs that hang around lower sukhumvit at 2 or 3 am. They will prey on drunk customers and in the room say they have their period and can only do BJ. I bet 9/10 times they don't get found out.

It's fair game, it's up to us the punters to protect ourselves. I bet you a dollar to a doughnut that 9/10 customers don't register their "Lady" of the night at the hotel lobby. Dangerous, as they could end up with some valuables missing when they wake up, alone and with a massive hangover.

Thailand is usually very safe for mongering, but there are exceptions.

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy;2654136]Really? Ask the LBs that hang around lower sukhumvit at 2 or 3 am. They will prey on drunk customers and in the room say they have their period and can only do BJ. I bet 9/10 times they don't get found out.

It's fair game, it's up to us the punters to protect ourselves. I bet you a dollar to a doughnut that 9/10 customers don't register their "Lady" of the night at the hotel lobby. Dangerous, as they could end up with some valuables missing when they wake up, alone and with a massive hangover.

Thailand is usually very safe for mongering, but there are exceptions.[/QUOTE]Most LB's are generally well behaved but there are some that will definitely screw you over if you are drunk or just green.

If you are very drunk some will try and go through your pockets while pretending to feel you up on the street.

Local Thai man chops head off British farang as "the music was too loud". I don't like loud music either but that is extreme even for "only in Thailand."

[URL]https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10429893/British-tourist-49-DECAPITATED-SICKLE-Thailand-local-man-attacked-him.html?ns_mchannel=rss&ico=taboola_feed[/URL]

[QUOTE=MaxBkk;2654152]Most LB's are generally well behaved but there are some that will definitely screw you over if you are drunk or just green.

If you are very drunk some will try and go through your pockets while pretending to feel you up on the street.[/QUOTE]What do you mean pretending? You don't think they can do both at the same time?

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2654177]What do you mean pretending? You don't think they can do both at the same time?[/QUOTE]If they jerk you off and take money out of your pocket it sounds a lot like a consenting hand job to me.

[QUOTE=XXL;2654090]Charly Sheen ("I never pay a woman for sex. I pay her to leave in the morning").[/QUOTE]So technically its not mongering.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2654222]So technically its not mongering.[/QUOTE]Yes, if we really want to delude ourselves that the girls are so horny to fuck old fat beer bellied bald guys for free! And we have to pay them to leave! Sure.

[QUOTE=Dg8787;2654229]Yes, if we really want to delude ourselves that the girls are so horny to fuck old fat beer bellied bald guys for free! And we have to pay them to leave! Sure.[/QUOTE]Over the summer, I conducted multiple experiments on this subject. I found that with sufficient tequila, 80% of Bargirls find dicks irresistible. Note that I used real tequila for my experiment, not bar tequila.

A good number of them literally begged for it, and some cried if I declined. Some would negotiate, asking for just 5 minutes.

Others didn't bother to ask, they just climbed on while I was occupied with another lady.

Yeah, I was astounded.

One lady offered anal sex in addition to regular sex. She got married the next day to some Thai man.

I tried the same experiment last night, here in Brazil with a Thai lady, with similar results.

There is nothing special about me, you will probably have the same results if you repeat the same experiment. That's how Science works.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2654264]Over the summer, I conducted multiple experiments on this subject. I found that with sufficient tequila, 80% of Bargirls find dicks irresistible. Note that I used real tequila for my experiment, not bar tequila.
A good number of them literally begged for it, and some cried if I declined. Some would negotiate, asking for just 5 minutes.
Others didn't bother to ask, they just climbed on while I was occupied with another lady.
Yeah, I was astounded.
One lady offered anal sex in addition to regular sex. She got married the next day to some Thai man.
I tried the same experiment last night, here in Brazil with a Thai lady, with similar results.
There is nothing special about me, you will probably have the same results if you repeat the same experiment. That's how Science works.[/QUOTE] LOL no, there is nothing special about you. I think the 'scientific' conclusion here is that 80% of bar girls find tequila irresistible, and as soon as they have had enough tequila they find dicks irresistable.

[QUOTE=Mogwai;2654481]LOL no, there is nothing special about you. I think the 'scientific' conclusion here is that 80% of bar girls find tequila irresistible, and as soon as they have had enough tequila they find dicks irresistable.[/QUOTE]You are absolutely correct.

[QUOTE=Mogwai;2654481]LOL no, there is nothing special about you. I think the 'scientific' conclusion here is that 80% of bar girls find tequila irresistible, and as soon as they have had enough tequila they find dicks irresistable.[/QUOTE]Not just Bar girls, I'd say most women do with sufficient alcohol.

[QUOTE=Dg8787;2654229]Yes, if we really want to delude ourselves that the girls are so horny to fuck old fat beer bellied bald guys for free! And we have to pay them to leave! Sure.[/QUOTE]There you go, bursting my bubble.

[QUOTE=Mogwai;2654481]LOL no, there is nothing special about you. I think the 'scientific' conclusion here is that 80% of bar girls find tequila irresistible, and as soon as they have had enough tequila they find dicks irresistable.[/QUOTE]Tequila? Hmmmm. I must try that with hookers who come over. I usually offer them wine.

[QUOTE=Dg8787;2654229]Yes, if we really want to delude ourselves that the girls are so horny to fuck old fat beer bellied bald guys for free! And we have to pay them to leave! Sure.[/QUOTE]Well, in the case of Mr. Sheen it is probably true. For the rest of us: not so much.

Thai ladies fuck different ways, depending on their workplace. Soi 6 ladies, for example, often go for the quick finish, trying to get you to cum as quickly as possible. If you like the long drawn out GFE type of sex, Soi 6 is probably not right for you.

Where ladies specialize in Long Time, you have a better chance at getting GFE, or at least a more "normal" fuck. Many of us have had wives or girlfriends back home who would be incensed if you finish in 2 minutes, they want the full ride, and some LT ladies will do that.

I am traveling with a Thai lady who specializes in the Dead Fish fuck, she just lies there. But, she has a bad knee, so her positions are limited, she has no sex drive, and doesn't do much to cooperate. On the other hand, she has a great ass. So it's a matter of positioning her so her ass is available as I pump her.

Unfortunately, my favorite lady worked on Soi 6 for a while, so she just tries to get me to finish fast. I am trying to get her out of that mode, but it's not easy.

[URL]https://www.yahoo.com/news/thailand-becomes-first-country-asia-181235747.html[/URL]

To those who are already there: Have fun guys.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2656597][URL]https://www.yahoo.com/news/thailand-becomes-first-country-asia-181235747.html[/URL]

To those who are already there: Have fun guys.[/QUOTE]But the article further read: "Even with the new rule, some parts of the plant that contain more than 0. 2% by weight of tetrahydrocannabinol (THC), the chemical in marijuana that creates the sensation of being high, are still reportedly included on the list of illegal drugs. ".

So it is going to be a long wait before you can sit outside your favorite Soi 6 bar and smoke a doobie. Ha Ha.

[QUOTE=AxelHeyst;2656613]But the article further read: "Even with the new rule, some parts of the plant that contain more than 0. 2% by weight of tetrahydrocannabinol (THC), the chemical in marijuana that creates the sensation of being high, are still reportedly included on the list of illegal drugs. ".

So it is going to be a long wait before you can sit outside your favorite Soi 6 bar and smoke a doobie. Ha Ha.[/QUOTE]But how many cops are going to be walking around with test kits to see how much THC is contained in the joint someone is smoking?

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2656644]But how many cops are going to be walking around with test kits to see how much THC is contained in the joint someone is smoking?[/QUOTE]Quality refer contains more the 2% THC. Therefore I am assuming the new law is being enacted to allow for commercial mass production and utilization not personal consumption. If some Thai farmer wants to grow a few plants on his property for his own recreational purposes nothing will have changed, but if some farang is smoking a joint on Soi 6 the content of his joint can be easily tested and the farang could either be fined or incarcerated under the new proposed legislation. There are already places in Thailand and Cambodia where reefer is smoked publicly and the local police look the other way. I don't see this new law enlarging these grey, semi legal smoking zones. I could be wrong. Thai girls on reefer. What a wonderful idea!

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[QUOTE=AxelHeyst;2656678] There are already places in Thailand and Cambodia where reefer is smoked publicly and the local police look the other way.[/QUOTE]I've heard about this before for Thailand in particular, but have no idea where these places would be. Could you enlighten me? Thanks.

[URL]https://www.yahoo.com/news/one-injured-multiple-bomb-attacks-084802342.html[/URL]

[QUOTE=Turgid;2657398][URL]https://www.yahoo.com/news/one-injured-multiple-bomb-attacks-084802342.html[/URL][/QUOTE]Always a danger when going to Southern Thailand.

[QUOTE=Axel Heyst;2656678] There are already places in Thailand and Cambodia where reefer is smoked publicly and the local police look the other way.[/QUOTE]

I thought marijuana was legal in Cambodia. I remember being surprised on my first trip to PP with quite a few guys trying to sell me pot as I'm walking down the street.

Can someone remind me why sisha bars were banned in Thailand? Had lots of fun in them in 2015 with gogo girls after work.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2657404]I thought marijuana was legal in Cambodia. I remember being surprised on my first trip to PP with quite a few guys trying to sell me pot as I'm walking down the street.[/QUOTE]I did too. Just walk over to the bar and buy a joint for $1. Maybe it is just tolerated but not legal.

Decided to Google.

"While it's true that marijuana is semi-legal in Cambodia, the exceptions to the laws against marijuana possession apply only to Cambodians, who are allowed to grow a few plants for cooking the herb is traditionally used in Khmer cuisine. The marijuana quality in Cambodia is quite poor compared to what's grown in the West, but it's undeniably cheap. Foreigners are rarely prosecuted for small amounts of marijuana, but expect to pay a few bribes if you do get caught "

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2657415]I did too. Just walk over to the bar and buy a joint for $1. Maybe it is just tolerated but not legal.[/QUOTE]Its not legal, but no one cares. They just don't openly sell it at stands filled with weed like back in the day. You can buy weed from lots of bars and restaurants in Cambodia, just ask.

Is there a good updated blog on Bangkok ever since the pandemic? Everything seems out of date with so many places closed.

[QUOTE=GuyBrusg1957;2658025]Is there a good updated blog on Bangkok ever since the pandemic? Everything seems out of date with so many places closed.[/QUOTE][URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?2677-Bangkok-Reports[/URL]

Many people advise not to barfine a lady for more than 3 days, which is generally good advice. Two reasons for this: first, their attitudes generally get shittier the longer they are with you. Secondly, some pull the "I'm your girlfriend " crap after a day or two.

I have a hypothesis about this, which you guys can test: I believe that if the lady lives in a room above the bar, her attitude will be good for 3 days, and maybe longer. Unless she has a generally crappy attitude, nothing can help that. Why does it matter if she lives in a room in the bar? If she is paying money for her own room, it means she has a Thai boyfriend she lives with, and she starts to miss him pretty quickly.

Of course, there are exceptions to every rule.

As for the "I'm your girlfriend " crap, just ignore it.

A question to the Forum travelers who have planned and stayed in Thailand for 35 days instead of the 30 days granted to US passport holders. I have been to Thailand multiple times but have never had the luxury to stay for longer than 10 days or so, now retired, everyday is a Saturday. Thanks in advance of your experiences, and possible procedures. I do know where Immigration is in Jomtien near where I will be staying but it would be nice to get it over and done with in advance if possible.

[QUOTE=StLouisMo2010;2658706]A question to the Forum travelers who have planned and stayed in Thailand for 35 days instead of the 30 days granted to US passport holders. I have been to Thailand multiple times but have never had the luxury to stay for longer than 10 days or so, now retired, everyday is a Saturday. Thanks in advance of your experiences, and possible procedures. I do know where Immigration is in Jomtien near where I will be staying but it would be nice to get it over and done with in advance if possible.[/QUOTE]Go to the Thai embassy in your country. Apply for a 60 or 90 day tourist visa before flying there.

Be sure to have the list of documents ready before you submit the application, to ensure a fast and smooth process.

Got mine approved and issue the next business day after submitting the documents in person.

Hello,

I want to travel to Thailand as part of the Test & Go but I am still Covid positive (Sars Cov2 detected) after 18 days.

I now have a valid European Recovery Certificate.

For those who have had this experience or who are sufficiently informed, would you have the answers to the following questions:

1 - Is this Recovery Certificate well recognized at Phuket and Suvarnabhumi airports?

2 - Do I still have to do a Covid test on arrival? Do I have to do quarantine if I'm still positive?

3 - Do you know hotels that refuse the registration of positive people with a Certificate of Recovery?

4 - Should a PCR test also be done on the 5th day? Do I have to do quarantine if I'm still positive?

Thank you for your answers.

Best regards.

[QUOTE=StLouisMo2010;2658706]A question to the Forum travelers who have planned and stayed in Thailand for 35 days instead of the 30 days granted to US passport holders. I have been to Thailand multiple times but have never had the luxury to stay for longer than 10 days or so, now retired, everyday is a Saturday. Thanks in advance of your experiences, and possible procedures. I do know where Immigration is in Jomtien near where I will be staying but it would be nice to get it over and done with in advance if possible.[/QUOTE]Usually they make you wait until your time is up before you extend. You can't just go anytime and tell them to add 5 more days. I would do as Looking said and get the time from the embassy before going.

First, You need to check with Thai Visa or the Thai embassy in your home country.

The answer to many of your questions are Yes. Yes, you must be tested twice on day of arrival and day 5. Both most be arranged through a designated hotel approved by Thai Government (SHA). You have to stay at this hotel on Day 1, and again on Day 5. You must have Covid insurance at your expense. You have to allow your whereabouts to be tracked on your phone between those two testing dates, if you elect to stay elsewhere in the interim days. You must have a PCR test and be negative prior to departing from your own country. If you test positive on either day, woe is you because you may find yourself in a hospital or a field hospitel for 10 days quarantine, the latter accommodations are mainly converted formerly dodgy hotels.

Why anyone would submit themselves to these conditions are beyond me. Good luck but you have some work to do.

[QUOTE=Pimpampoumpipo;2658842]Hello,

I want to travel to Thailand as part of the Test & Go but I am still Covid positive (Sars Cov2 detected) after 18 days.

I now have a valid European Recovery Certificate.

For those who have had this experience or who are sufficiently informed, would you have the answers to the following questions:

1 - Is this Recovery Certificate well recognized at Phuket and Suvarnabhumi airports?

2 - Do I still have to do a Covid test on arrival? Do I have to do quarantine if I'm still positive?

3 - Do you know hotels that refuse the registration of positive people with a Certificate of Recovery?

4 - Should a PCR test also be done on the 5th day? Do I have to do quarantine if I'm still positive?

Thank you for your answers.

Best regards.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=LookingLooking;2658735]Go to the Thai embassy in your country. Apply for a 60 or 90 day tourist visa before flying there.[/QUOTE]Going to the Thai embassy or consulate is old school, maybe not even possible now. Don't even need to mail away your passport or buy a money order. Try the E-Visa. Easy and free. Instead of getting a visa pasted into your passport they will send approval email. You print that email and give it to airlines and Thai immigration upon your arrival.

https://www.thaievisa.go.th/

Sorry I can't seem to get the link to work, you can copy and paste into your browser.

[QUOTE=HorseTrader;2658969]Going to the Thai embassy or consulate is old school, maybe not even possible now. Don't even need to mail away your passport or buy a money order. Try the E-Visa. Easy and free. Instead of getting a visa pasted into your passport they will send approval email. You print that email and give it to airlines and Thai immigration upon your arrival.

https://www.thaievisa.go.th/

Sorry I can't seem to get the link to work, you can copy and paste into your browser.[/QUOTE]Don't know about the country mentioned, but in my country the online application was closed until further notice (closed for more than a year now). So applying in person was the only way to do so in my country.

[QUOTE=LookingLooking;2659125]Don't know about the country mentioned, but in my country the online application was closed until further notice (closed for more than a year now). So applying in person was the only way to do so in my country.[/QUOTE]I was on the website yesterday from US, worked fine for me, I did not get it finished yet, but I think there is a $50 fee (1650 Baht approx) which I think is about the same if appearing in person in Thailand. There are multiple "document attachments" , one of which was the "insurance documentation" and on the web site is "requires" $100,000 US coverage, which I think is old and now down to $50,000, but that error or change may or may not flunk your application if it is not exactly what they are looking for at the Embassy. They also say you can apply 90 days prior to arrival, while more current announcements have said 60 days prior to arrival. Cheers.

[QUOTE=StLouisMo2010;2659298]I was on the website yesterday from US, worked fine for me, I did not get it finished yet, but I think there is a $50 fee (1650 Baht approx) which I think is about the same if appearing in person in Thailand. [/QUOTE]Yes, there is a fee. I was wrong on the free part. I believe it was free in early December.

The website that I mentioned below is new. The website should work almost everywhere. Very early in the process there will be a series of simple, non personal, questions that will determine if you need a visa and if the E-Visa is appropriate for you. Definitely look at that webpage before you start dealing with embassy or consulate. In my case I need a visa and the E-Visa is appropriate.

I meant that the poster should review the Covid and visa guidelines or their website, not that he should go to the Embassy.

[QUOTE=HorseTrader;2658969]Going to the Thai embassy or consulate is old school, maybe not even possible now. Don't even need to mail away your passport or buy a money order. Try the E-Visa. Easy and free. Instead of getting a visa pasted into your passport they will send approval email. You print that email and give it to airlines and Thai immigration upon your arrival.

https://www.thaievisa.go.th/

Sorry I can't seem to get the link to work, you can copy and paste into your browser.[/QUOTE]

I just watched a really great interview on YouTube from a guy who just entered Thailand under your exact circumstances. I thought it was a fascinating interview because it detailed everything that happened to him at the airport and at the hotel upon check-in. Here is a link to the interview. [URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YRFbyaeoa2g&t=1127s&ab_channel=BuzzinPattaya[/URL].

[QUOTE=Pimpampoumpipo;2658842]Hello,

I want to travel to Thailand as part of the Test & Go but I am still Covid positive (Sars Cov2 detected) after 18 days.

I now have a valid European Recovery Certificate.

For those who have had this experience or who are sufficiently informed, would you have the answers to the following questions:

1 - Is this Recovery Certificate well recognized at Phuket and Suvarnabhumi airports?

2 - Do I still have to do a Covid test on arrival? Do I have to do quarantine if I'm still positive?

3 - Do you know hotels that refuse the registration of positive people with a Certificate of Recovery?

4 - Should a PCR test also be done on the 5th day? Do I have to do quarantine if I'm still positive?

Thank you for your answers.

Best regards.[/QUOTE]

Thank you for the answers that have been sent regarding the use of a Recovery certificate.

I specify that my main concern was to be quarantined on arrival in Thailand if I was positive despite a Recovery Certificate. The procedure says that I can get on the plane (if I understood correctly, paragraph 2 of the Embassy flyer "in case of positive RT-PCR result must have a medical certificate stating that you have recovered.... "), but nothing is indicated on what happens on arrival in Thailand. And I have a huge doubt. Everything that is not written can be subject to interpretation and in general doubt always works against you.

For the moment I have not found a formal and reliable answer for my personal case. I sent an email to Thailand Pass who never answered me. A hotel in Phuket told me that I will be tested on arrival and that depending on the CT used I will be quarantined or not. Following the doctor's advice.... Faced with such uncertainty, I preferred to give up my trip temporarily.

So far my journey has been as follows:

1 - Tested positive covid (during the test before departure 72 hours for Phuket Sandbox).

2 - Onset of symptoms the next day (probably Omicron).

3 - Very slight fever for 3 days. Runny nose and caught.

4 - Antigen negative after one week but still PCR positive.

5 - PCR negative after 3 weeks.

In this mess I consider that I was lucky to have been diagnosed positive at home rather than in Thailand.

I specify that I was vaccinated 3 doses (AZ, AZ, Pfizer) before.

Since my negative PCR test, I have rescheduled a Test & Go Phuket stay, leaving next week.

And put a candle in the church.

[QUOTE=Pimpampoumpipo;2661998]Thank you for the answers that have been sent regarding the use of a Recovery certificate.

I specify that my main concern was to be quarantined on arrival in Thailand if I was positive despite a Recovery Certificate. The procedure says that I can get on the plane (if I understood correctly, paragraph 2 of the Embassy flyer "in case of positive RT-PCR result must have a medical certificate stating that you have recovered.... "), but nothing is indicated on what happens on arrival in Thailand. And I have a huge doubt. Everything that is not written can be subject to interpretation and in general doubt always works against you.

For the moment I have not found a formal and reliable answer for my personal case. I sent an email to Thailand Pass who never answered me. A hotel in Phuket told me that I will be tested on arrival and that depending on the CT used I will be quarantined or not. Following the doctor's advice.... Faced with such uncertainty, I preferred to give up my trip temporarily.

So far my journey has been as follows:

1 - Tested positive covid (during the test before departure 72 hours for Phuket Sandbox).

2 - Onset of symptoms the next day (probably Omicron).

3 - Very slight fever for 3 days. Runny nose and caught.

4 - Antigen negative after one week but still PCR positive.

5 - PCR negative after 3 weeks.

In this mess I consider that I was lucky to have been diagnosed positive at home rather than in Thailand.

I specify that I was vaccinated 3 doses (AZ, AZ, Pfizer) before.

Since my negative PCR test, I have rescheduled a Test & Go Phuket stay, leaving next week.

And put a candle in the church.[/QUOTE]I've been following the ThailandTourism subreddit for a while now. This specific thread [URL]https://old.reddit.com/r/ThailandTourism/comments/spzb0k/test_go_i_already_had_covid_and_the_pcr_test_will/[/URL] asks the exact same question. While it's hard to get definitive answers to "what if" questions, the consensus is that you'll be OK and you can show the Certificate of Recovery to the virtual doctor to avoid quarantine in case your PCR test comes back positive.

[QUOTE=StLouisMo2010;2658706]A question to the Forum travelers who have planned and stayed in Thailand for 35 days instead of the 30 days granted to US passport holders. I have been to Thailand multiple times but have never had the luxury to stay for longer than 10 days or so, now retired, everyday is a Saturday. Thanks in advance of your experiences, and possible procedures. I do know where Immigration is in Jomtien near where I will be staying but it would be nice to get it over and done with in advance if possible.[/QUOTE]I'm in the same boat. Just retired to spend my days traveling and mongering. First stop is Thailand for about 60 days, maybe longer, but probably not due to heat. We'll see. Next stop after that is Brazil.

But yes, as others have mentioned, get a visa for however long you're planning on traveling. It's a bit of a hassle right now. There's a lot of forms to fill out. Some prerequisites for travel. You've probably already done your research: Thailand Pass, travel insurance (e. G. AXA. Not Sawadee), visa, international driver's permit, hotel, pcr test, plane ticket, etc. If you need more info on this, let me know. I just finished all my paperwork and bookings and I'm just waiting on the visa approval now.

The Taiwan CDC has announced that passengers will be allowed to transit Taoyuan International Airport with some restrictions beginning June 25. This is welcome news for me, given that I prefer EVA Airlines for my travel across the Pacific. Mid-priced fares, preferred schedules / flying time durations, and superior service are the reasons for this preference. See [URL]https://www.cdc.gov.tw/En/Bulletin/Detail/pis3aYhaXkLCDrN8XV-9KQ?typeid=158[/URL].

SS.

[QUOTE=SamSanuk;2669446]The Taiwan CDC has announced that passengers will be allowed to transit Taoyuan International Airport with some restrictions beginning June 25. This is welcome news for me, given that I prefer EVA Airlines for my travel across the Pacific. Mid-priced fares, preferred schedules / flying time durations, and superior service are the reasons for this preference. See [URL]https://www.cdc.gov.tw/En/Bulletin/Detail/pis3aYhaXkLCDrN8XV-9KQ?typeid=158[/URL].
[/QUOTE]That announcement was from June 24,2020 and hasn't been applicable anymore for a long time.

Can anybody recommend a taxi service that will take you from Suvarnabhumi airport to Pattaya for.

1000 baht?

Thanks.

Tc.

[QUOTE=Tcvve;2702800]Can anybody recommend a taxi service that will take you from Suvarnabhumi airport to Pattaya for.

1000 baht?

Thanks.

Tc.[/QUOTE][URL]https://www.pinterest.com/pin/243264817347057283/[/URL]

[QUOTE=Tcvve;2702800]Can anybody recommend a taxi service that will take you from Suvarnabhumi airport to Pattaya for. 1000 baht?[/QUOTE]Just go upstairs to the 4th floor and outside and cross over the median to where the taxis are. They may try to get you for 1500, but tell them 900 and you will pay the tolls. The total will be 960 and I always just give them 1000. Quick and simple.

But if you insist on a service I have a guy. I think it is 1200 from the airport and 1000 back to the airport, tolls included. PM me and I will give you his info.

Finally good news. No more need to get a covid test before boarding a plane to the USA.

[URL]https://www.washingtonpost.com/transportation/2022/06/10/covid-testing-requirement-ends/[/URL]

[QUOTE=SamSanuk;2707262]Finally good news. No more need to get a covid test before boarding a plane to the USA.

[URL]https://www.washingtonpost.com/transportation/2022/06/10/covid-testing-requirement-ends/[/URL][/QUOTE]Hell yeah! Now I can write off 'visit a Thailand hospital' from my bucket list when I finally take my trip!

I was talking to a lady yesterday about online sex, and she mentioned what she called a "group" of high end customers. Apparently, they pay extravagant amounts of money to ladies, one lady I know was paid 40,000 baht for an overnighter in Bangkok. Some Indian couple paid 100,000 baht for a party where the woman had a Ladyboy lick her pussy.

Too rich for my blood. If I put out 2,000, that's big money for me.

[QUOTE=SamSanuk;2707262]Finally good news. No more need to get a covid test before boarding a plane to the USA.

[URL]https://www.washingtonpost.com/transportation/2022/06/10/covid-testing-requirement-ends/[/URL][/QUOTE]But if you are connecting through a country that requires one.

[QUOTE=Tvataham274;2707292]Hell yeah! Now I can write off 'visit a Thailand hospital' from my bucket list when I finally take my trip![/QUOTE]And maybe you can write off 'go to heaven' as well, if you're 'lucky'.

Arrived last night. One of the First things to do was to see where Dr Donna was located.

Moot point now.

Not counting tourist Sex Spots Bangkok looks functionally.

Functional. The rich are doing what rich do. Go shopping.

Middle of day Bts main line packed liked Sardines.

I get lots of Facebook friend requests, sometimes these result in ladies from Isaan showing up at my place when they first arrive in Pattaya. So, unless the friend request is an obvious bot, or a lady outside of Thailand, I generally accept them.

I got a request from a lady in Ubon who wanted to have a conversation. She wanted to know if I lived in Pattaya, and some general stuff.

The next day, she messaged me that she wanted a favor. She had an outstanding loan of 200,000 baht, and wanted me to pay it off.

I blocked her in record time.

[QUOTE=Tcvve;2702800]Can anybody recommend a taxi service that will take you from Suvarnabhumi airport to Pattaya for.

1000 baht?

Thanks.

Tc.[/QUOTE]I use Nam taxi. Pre Covid her service was 1200 baht but well worth it. She employed only female drivers who didn't do any of the crazy driving you get from the regular taxi drivers out in front of the airport. Very comfortable and clean later model 4 door sedans.

[QUOTE=HardDrive;2707521]I use Nam taxi. Pre Covid her service was 1200 baht but well worth it. She employed only female drivers who didn't do any of the crazy driving you get from the regular taxi drivers out in front of the airport. Very comfortable and clean later model 4 door sedans.[/QUOTE]Just checked her website and she shows BKK airport to Patts at 1000 baht. With rising gas prices I would expect that to go up. [URL]https://www.namstaxiladydrivers.com/[/URL].

[QUOTE=HardDrive;2707523]Just checked her website and she shows BKK airport to Patts at 1000 baht. With rising gas prices I would expect that to go up. [URL]https://www.namstaxiladydrivers.com/[/URL].[/QUOTE]Those cars use natural gas and cost hardly anything to fill up. Is the price of that up as well?

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2707326]But if you are connecting through a country that requires one.[/QUOTE]Connecting flights need a covid test? Which ones? I'm considering buying a ticket that stops at ICN.

[QUOTE=Tvataham274;2707557]Connecting flights need a covid test? Which ones? I'm considering buying a ticket that stops at ICN.[/QUOTE]Transit passengers. Passengers originating from the United States who transit through Korean airports (who do not pass through immigration) do not require a negative PCR COVID-19 test and have no quarantine requirement for stays less than 24 hours.

Passengers originating from other countries should consult the ROK Embassy in the country of their departure to find out whether a negative PCR COVID-19 test is required to transit through Korean airports. The Korean Immigration Contact Center can clarify testing requirements for transit passengers at telephone number. Transit passengers should also confirm entry requirements at their onward destination. Please note, there are no COVID testing facilities available in airport transit areas.

[URL]https://kr.usembassy.gov/022420-covid-19-information/#:~:text=Transit%20passengers.,stays%20less%20than%2024%20hours.[/URL]

[QUOTE=HardDrive;2707523]Just checked her website and she shows BKK airport to Patts at 1000 baht. With rising gas prices I would expect that to go up. [URL]https://www.namstaxiladydrivers.com/[/URL].[/QUOTE]I think Russia is supplying Asia with cheap oil, now that the US and Europe have decreased their import. China in particular, and maybe Thailand as well?

[QUOTE=Mogwai;2707763]I think Russia is supplying Asia with cheap oil, now that the US and Europe have decreased their import. China in particular, and maybe Thailand as well?[/QUOTE]But it will only make the Baht weaker. [URL]https://www.google.com/search?channel=trow5&client=firefox-b-d&q=us[/URL]+dollar+to+baht.

[QUOTE=Tcvve;2702800]Can anybody recommend a taxi service that will take you from Suvarnabhumi airport to Pattaya for.

1000 baht?.[/QUOTE]Tom Taxi +66 98 281 2537 also available with Whatsapp.

Available online almost immediately.

I used them every time from Suvarnabhumi to Pattaya and back for 10 years. I come about 10 times a year to Pattaya. Limousine type vehicle. Perfect service. Never had a problem, always on time (and even early).

Price 1000 Baths Suvarnabhumi <> Pattaya.

And 1200 bahts Bangkok Sukhumvit <> Pattaya.

[QUOTE=Tcvve;2702800]Can anybody recommend a taxi service that will take you from Suvarnabhumi airport to Pattaya for.

1000 baht?

Thanks.

Tc.[/QUOTE][URL]https://www.namstaxiladydrivers.com/[/URL]

It's been a while I been to thailand. Now that Thailand seems a lot easier to travel to, what's the going rate for short / long. I usually went to the gogo bars and I think it was around 100 usd long / overnight back when I visited.

[QUOTE=Lcale1982;2710279]It's been a while I been to thailand. Now that Thailand seems a lot easier to travel to, what's the going rate for short / long. I usually went to the gogo bars and I think it was around 100 usd long / overnight back when I visited.[/QUOTE]My experience has been most Nana Plaza and Soi Cowboy go-go bars charge a 700 - 800 baht barfine today. Some might charge as much as 1,000 baht during weekends or holidays. Of course, that is what you pay the bar to take the girl out and is generally not negotiable.

The girls then typically quote 3,000 baht for Short Time and 5,000 baht for Long Time if they are willing to do a Long Time at all.

That amount quoted by the girl is usually quite negotiable and will often be lowered to 2,500 baht for Short Time if you just so much as hesitate to accept and agree to the 3,000 baht quote for 5 seconds. 2,000 is very doable if you state that amount and don't ask for anything special other than whatever that particular girl deems to be acceptable P4 P service. 1,500 baht? Maybe. If the conditions and timing are right and the girl really needs the money ASAP.

In my case, I do ask for something not generally on the standard fare menu; boom boom no condom / BBFS+CIP. I might even throw in kissing with our tongues touching a little / DFK, BBBJ and ask if their pussy is shaved or not just to round out my most minimal requirements for a worthwhile P4 P experience.

If BBFS+CIP is not agreed to upfront, I might then ask if and how she would finish a BBBJ for me. CIM? CIM+Swallow? Run across the room with an umbrella and jump behind the couch? If her answer is acceptable, I might still take a NO BBFS+CIP girl for that.

But my asking for an upfront agreement for BBFS+CIP or BBBJ+CIM+Swallow will typically move me to remain at 2,500 baht for Short Time and not haggle for the next 10 minutes to get it down to 2,000.

I suppose if I am really attracted to and aroused by the girl I would even agree to her first wish quote if that's what it takes for her to agree upfront to my first wish level of sexual pleasure with her.

[QUOTE=Lcale1982;2710279]It's been a while I been to thailand. Now that Thailand seems a lot easier to travel to, what's the going rate for short / long. I usually went to the gogo bars and I think it was around 100 usd long / overnight back when I visited.[/QUOTE]The rates have tripled.

[QUOTE=Mogwai;2710713]The rates have tripled.[/QUOTE]300 USD for overnight? 10,000 baht? Are you kidding? I can't believe it is even close to that. I haven't done LT in quite some time, only ST, so I don't really know current LT prices.

[QUOTE=Lcale1982;2710279]It's been a while I been to thailand. Now that Thailand seems a lot easier to travel to, what's the going rate for short / long. I usually went to the gogo bars and I think it was around 100 usd long / overnight back when I visited.[/QUOTE]Long time with Hot girls not on offer.

Short time with Fuglies is whatever you can agree on. I've heard 500 and a donut to 1,000 and a Chicken.

[QUOTE=Lcale1982;2710279]It's been a while I been to thailand. Now that Thailand seems a lot easier to travel to, what's the going rate for short / long. I usually went to the gogo bars and I think it was around 100 usd long / overnight back when I visited.[/QUOTE]My experience is that the ST / LT rates in go-go bars is the same as it was pre-covid and so are the bar fines. I don't think the rate has changed much since 2017, I can't remember much before then, LOL. The exchange rate is a little better now so it's actually a little cheaper. 2500-3000ST and 4000-6000 LT. You can still find some 2000ST and 3000 LT but that is not the norm.

Now if you're talking about 10-20 years ago I have no idea you'll have to consult Mr. Goatscrot.

I just realized this post is in the general thread instead of the Bangkok thread. My response was based on my experience in Bangkok. Pattaya is not the same except for the very top tier clubs.

If you are BBFSing that often, how often do you catch anything? Are you on PreP? Or self treat with antibiotics?

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2710681]My experience has been most Nana Plaza and Soi Cowboy go-go bars charge a 700 - 800 baht barfine today. Some might charge as much as 1,000 baht during weekends or holidays. Of course, that is what you pay the bar to take the girl out and is generally not negotiable.

The girls then typically quote 3,000 baht for Short Time and 5,000 baht for Long Time if they are willing to do a Long Time at all.

That amount quoted by the girl is usually quite negotiable and will often be lowered to 2,500 baht for Short Time if you just so much as hesitate to accept and agree to the 3,000 baht quote for 5 seconds. 2,000 is very doable if you state that amount and don't ask for anything special other than whatever that particular girl deems to be acceptable P4 P service. 1,500 baht? Maybe. If the conditions and timing are right and the girl really needs the money ASAP.

In my case, I do ask for something not generally on the standard fare menu; boom boom no condom / BBFS+CIP. I might even throw in kissing with our tongues touching a little / DFK, BBBJ and ask if their pussy is shaved or not just to round out my most minimal requirements for a worthwhile P4 P experience.

If BBFS+CIP is not agreed to upfront, I might then ask if and how she would finish a BBBJ for me. CIM? CIM+Swallow? Run across the room with an umbrella and jump behind the couch? If her answer is acceptable, I might still take a NO BBFS+CIP girl for that.

But my asking for an upfront agreement for BBFS+CIP or BBBJ+CIM+Swallow will typically move me to remain at 2,500 baht for Short Time and not haggle for the next 10 minutes to get it down to 2,000.

I suppose if I am really attracted to and aroused by the girl I would even agree to her first wish quote if that's what it takes for her to agree upfront to my first wish level of sexual pleasure with her.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Tvataham274;2710864]If you are BBFSing that often, how often do you catch anything? Are you on PreP? Or self treat with antibiotics?[/QUOTE]This brings up an interesting point for those who do BB anything.

From what I've read, chances of getting HIV are small for those who do not allow anything to be inserted into themselves (needles or penis); I suspect that is most of us. Thailand also has a massive HIV treatment system, after identification of HIV, the patients are treated and medicated for life. They get quarterly medical checkups for their HIV. They have good success at bringing CD4 levels up to safe levels. The amount of HIV in their systems becomes so low that it cannot be detected and BB sex becomes safe. I don't think HIV is a big concern for straight punters who do not share needles. Is it 100% safe? No.

I worry more about other viruses than HIV.

Bacterial infections are a completely different thing. They grow quickly and can spread quickly. I once read an internet article that described contents of a police station "rape kit". One item was a single 250 MG dose of Azithromycin (one sixth of a Z-pak). I wonder if taken after BBFS that would be sufficient to prevent bacterial infections from multiplying. I've been unable to find that article recently, so I cannot reread it.

[QUOTE=Tvataham274;2710864]If you are BBFSing that often, how often do you catch anything? Are you on PreP? Or self treat with antibiotics?[/QUOTE]I have been mongering and bareback fucking hundreds of regular girls and thousands of P4 P girls since I was 19 years old, 50 years ago now. In all that time I have only caught a dose of trichomoniasis from a university girlfriend when I was in my early 20's. Took some prescribed pills for 5-6 days, so did she, and it was gone.

Other than that, I have not caught anything sexually that has exhibited symptoms, shown up in a lab test or infected any of my partners so as to hear about it from them.

Got a vasectomy decades ago and never impregnated a girl. As far as I know, that is.

I did get some abrasions on the skin of my dick 3-4 years ago from an overly aggressive cowgirl rider. I wasn't sure if that was all it was so, for the first time I did take some over-the-counter antibiotics. But the rough spots were gone by the next day after simply applying some regular moisturizing lotion from Foodland Market. Ordinary Nivea Lotion. So I think it was only abrasions as I suspected.

I do routinely get tested for HIV and Syphilis at Thai Red Cross in Bangkok every month or two in order to have a results document to show any partner or potential partner who wants to see it. Takes about an hour, 200 baht per test, 400 baht total. Been doing that every month or two for the almost 10 years I have lived here and it has always turned up Normal / Negative / Non-Reactive. I also got the 3-shot vaccination for HPV there several years ago since I do a lot of DATY.

Almost every time I get tested a counselor gives me the results privately in an office and asks if I use condoms, do I have a girlfriend, multiple partners and so on. I always tell the man or woman counselor the truth; No and Many. Not once in all these years has a counselor then recommended, suggested or even hinted I ought to consider taking PrEP. Yet I know they have it there, sell it there and might even give it away for free under certain circumstances. I don't take it.

Take that for whatever it's worth. I hope that helps. As always, YMMV.

[QUOTE=HorseTrader;2710914]This brings up an interesting point for those who do BB anything.

From what I've read, chances of getting HIV are small for those who do not allow anything to be inserted into themselves (needles or penis); I suspect that is most of us. Thailand also has a massive HIV treatment system, after identification of HIV, the patients are treated and medicated for life. They get quarterly medical checkups for their HIV. They have good success at bringing CD4 levels up to safe levels. The amount of HIV in their systems becomes so low that it cannot be detected and BB sex becomes safe. I don't think HIV is a big concern for straight punters who do not share needles. Is it 100% safe? No.

I worry more about other viruses than HIV.

Bacterial infections are a completely different thing. They grow quickly and can spread quickly. I once read an internet article that described contents of a police station "rape kit". One item was a single 250 MG dose of Azithromycin (one sixth of a Z-pak). I wonder if taken after BBFS that would be sufficient to prevent bacterial infections from multiplying. I've been unable to find that article recently, so I cannot reread it.[/QUOTE]If you BB anything regularly then chances are you are going to catch something. Standard dosing for a runny dick is:

Doxycycline 100 MG. Twice daily for seven days.

Azithromycin 1000 - as a single dose, or can split into 2 doses.

All taken on an empty stomach which is slightly unpleasant, but not too bad. Everything is available without prescription at most independant pharmacys.

[QUOTE=HorseTrader;2710725]300 USD for overnight? 10,000 baht? Are you kidding?[/QUOTE]Yes, I was kidding. Just another way to say 'RTFF'.

[QUOTE=MaxBkk;2710947]If you BB anything regularly then chances are you are going to catch something. Standard dosing for a runny dick is:

Doxycycline 100 MG. Twice daily for seven days.

Azithromycin 1000 - as a single dose, or can split into 2 doses.

All taken on an empty stomach which is slightly unpleasant, but not too bad. Everything is available without prescription at most independant pharmacys.[/QUOTE]Chances of catching HIV via vaginal sex is almost 0:

[URL]https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/chances-of-getting-hiv#chances-of-contracting-hiv[/URL]

[QUOTE]
receptive penile-vaginal intercourse: 0.08%
insertive penile-vaginal intercourse: 0.04%
[/QUOTE]During my 2 month stay in Pattaya, I BB'd regularly. I got some good advice from a fellow ISG member I met there to take a piss after going BB. I got tested when I got back in the US. To my surprise, I didn't have chlamydia nor gonorrhea. I was surprised because I thought I noticed white cloudy discharge. But I got the swab test and it came back negative. Those tests are 99% accurate.

Went to use the ATM today and every so often you get a machine that asks if you want their rate or to continue without using their well conversion. Always go the no conversion route. It told me my total would be $609 usd with their conversion but I selected without. I then went into my bank account and the deduction was $574. Easy to lose $34 if you don't pay pay attention.

[QUOTE=SinfullyKorean;2711129]Chances of catching HIV via vaginal sex is almost 0:

[URL]https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/chances-of-getting-hiv#chances-of-contracting-hiv[/URL]

During my 2 month stay in Pattaya, I BB'd regularly. I got some good advice from a fellow ISG member I met there to take a piss after going BB. I got tested when I got back in the US. To my surprise, I didn't have chlamydia nor gonorrhea. I was surprised because I thought I noticed white cloudy discharge. But I got the swab test and it came back negative. Those tests are 99% accurate.[/QUOTE]Good to hear about your test results.

Also, it should be mentioned those "0. 08%" and "0. 04%" chances of contracting HIV through receptive and insertive penile-vaginal sex, respectively, as cited in your link are "Per 10,000 exposures" estimates with 1 exposure meaning fucking an HIV-Postive person.

Moreover, with the HIV control drugs easily available today, a person who previously tested positive for HIV but whose drug regime has lowered the viral level to a point where it no longer shows up in a routine test would not realistically be among those "Per 10,000 exposures" sexual partners.

Giving or receiving Oral Sex, receptive or insertive, provides so LOW a chance of contracting HIV per 10,000 exposures they don't even warrant a fraction of a percentage estimate on that link.

I was in Phuket right before COVID shut down the bars. Does it cost roughly the same to eat out at the less expensive Thai cafes? Are the street food vendors as plentiful as they were? Thanks for any info.

[QUOTE=Breadman;2711159]Went to use the ATM today and every so often you get a machine that asks if you want their rate or to continue without using their well conversion. Always go the no conversion route. It told me my total would be $609 usd with their conversion but I selected without. I then went into my bank account and the deduction was $574. Easy to lose $34 if you don't pay pay attention.[/QUOTE]You mean you selected WITH conversion instead of without. I hate it when they prompt that question. I always second guess myself when I'm choosing the "without conversion" option.

[QUOTE=SinfullyKorean;2711129]I got tested when I got back in the US. To my surprise, I didn't have chlamydia nor gonorrhea. I was surprised because I thought I noticed white cloudy discharge. But I got the swab test and it came back negative. Those tests are 99% accurate.[/QUOTE]I had white discharge on the penis February of this year in Rawai - Phuket. I was tested twice, once with urine and once by taking a sample directly from the losses. Both times the tests came back negative. Yet I'm sure it was gonococcus, I've had it before, I know what it is.
I was cured by taking 2 types of antibiotics, oral and sting treatment for a horse.
I think that in Rawai they must see quite a lot of these illnesses and they know how to cure them.

Read in a scientific journal: "A sperm has a maximum lifespan of 2 days, but the most vigorous ones can sometimes survive up to 4 to 5 days in the vagina of the woman. ".

Good luck to all our BBFS.

[QUOTE=Horatio;2712077]I was in Phuket right before COVID shut down the bars. Does it cost roughly the same to eat out at the less expensive Thai cafes? Are the street food vendors as plentiful as they were? Thanks for any info.[/QUOTE]In Bangkok, food costs have increased significantly, maybe 50% compared to 2019. I suspect it's similar elsewhere, not sure about the specific spots in Phuket that you have in mind, it's a big island.

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;2713047]In Bangkok, food costs have increased significantly, maybe 50% compared to 2019. I suspect it's similar elsewhere, not sure about the specific spots in Phuket that you have in mind, it's a big island.[/QUOTE]Food costs in Patong and Koh Samui have also increased, but not 50% increase. Half of my favorite restaurants have closed. A friend tells me that street food in Aonang has nearly doubled, he lived there until May. I felt smaller Aonang restaurant increases when I was there in April 2022.

As of April, Patong still has plenty of street food, but not as much as early 2020. Still a good cluster of vendors at the north end of the beach. I forgot the name of the market that is a bit south of OTOP, but that had nearly everything open. Perhaps 30% to 50% fewer food carts scattered around Patong. I found myself walking further for the particular street food item that I wanted at that moment.

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;2713047]In Bangkok, food costs have increased significantly, maybe 50% compared to 2019. I suspect it's similar elsewhere, not sure about the specific spots in Phuket that you have in mind, it's a big island.[/QUOTE]A 10% to maybe 25% if you are going to tourist traps. I know if a noodle soup for lunch went from 35 THB to even 45 THB that's only a 28.6% increase. But high % of increases is common when going from a very low price. But a coke zero at 7/11 has only gone from 13 THB to 15 or maybe 17 THB & at 17 THB that is a 30% increase. And the big BUT is in 2019 32.5 THB = $1, today 35.43 , I just looked it up. 9% decrease. So a 13 THB coke in 2019 cost $. 40 , today a 17 THB one costs $. 48. Only a 20 % increase. And I really think this 17 THB is the higher end of pricing. Maybe really 15 THB, My point 50% is BS, unless you don't know where to shop.

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;2713047]In Bangkok, food costs have increased significantly, maybe 50% compared to 2019. I suspect it's similar elsewhere, not sure about the specific spots in Phuket that you have in mind, it's a big island.[/QUOTE]Just like Horse Trader already said, I have noticed some small increases in BKK and Pattaya, but definitely not 50%. Not even in the tourist traps.

A tall Americano at Starbucks has gone up from 105 to 115 baht, which makes it slightly more expensive than in my home country, the Netherlands, where it is EUR 2.95.

Has anyone ever thought about buying gold in Thailand? I watched a you tube video or two, and it seems like if you buy the baht gold ingots you pay very little markup 100-200 baht versus the premiums over the actual asking price you pay if buying gold from some of the websites in the USA? Can you buy in dollars or credit card so as not to lose on the exchange rate? Anyone know of a good source of info on the matter? I imagine if you bought in dollars it would have to be pristine absolutely perfect $20's? Thanks for any info on the matter. Does Thailand do silver? I really hate paying the premium on silver in the USA.

Hey,

I'm arriving BKK mid September and wonder whether should I go to Pattaya, for example? Or another place? Obviously I'm looking for better quality in service / looks / variety. It's monsoon peak so its even more complex, since I think it might be less of a deal in BKK.

Thanks in advance.

[QUOTE=TooDirty;2717639]Has anyone ever thought about buying gold in Thailand? I watched a you tube video or two, and it seems like if you buy the baht gold ingots you pay very little markup 100-200 baht versus the premiums over the actual asking price you pay if buying gold from some of the websites in the USA? Can you buy in dollars or credit card so as not to lose on the exchange rate? Anyone know of a good source of info on the matter? I imagine if you bought in dollars it would have to be pristine absolutely perfect $20's? Thanks for any info on the matter. Does Thailand do silver? I really hate paying the premium on silver in the USA.[/QUOTE]This is Thailand. They use baht, not dollars. I doubt anyone will take a credit card for buying gold unless they are also adding the fee that the credit card company is going to charge them. They also would not want to risk you canceling the charge.

If you go to the gold shops then they charge you spot price per gram plus 400 baht commission. If you go to a jewelry store or gem shop then you better look up your prices first. There are 1 and 5 baht weight gold bars that come in 96.5% and 99% purity.

My jeweler is making some 18 K stuff for me. They always only charge me the price they get the material for then they add labor which is really cheap. The other day the price for 1 gram was 1718 baht. I went shopping the gem shops on Beach Road for an 18 K chain to go with my pendant. Honest wanted 2600 baht / gram. He swore there could not be a cheaper price. Or that like many ISG posters swear about hookers, if there is a cheaper price then it is inferior. World wanted 2800 baht / gram and I think another shop (Star?) wanted 2400 baht / gram.

The next day I ran over to my other jeweler in Jomtien to see if she had anything. She was not there, but her workers were charging me 2250 baht / gram. I sent her a message in Line and she came to the shop. She let me have it for 1900 baht / gram.

Spot price of silver is 22 baht / gram. I do not know who would want to buy, carry around, and store $10,000 or 35 weight pounds worth of that.

[QUOTE=SarhaOtzar;2718252]Hey,

I'm arriving BKK mid September and wonder whether should I go to Pattaya, for example? Or another place? Obviously I'm looking for better quality in service / looks / variety. It's monsoon peak so its even more complex, since I think it might be less of a deal in BKK.

Thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]Pattaya is slightly cooler, being next to the beach. But the difference is negligible. I think BKK is better for looks and Pattaya is better for service. But if you're only spending 7 days, I don't think you can go wrong in either. Either way, you won't have time to find some of the best talents in the local clubs. So you'll probably stick to some of the mongering staples like Soi 6, WS, or Beach Street in Pattaya or Nana, Soi Cowboy, and Thermae in BKK. Pattaya will be significantly cheaper. But if you're only staying for 7 days, I don't think you should be worrying so much about the price.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2718439]This is Thailand. They use baht, not dollars.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the reply, it was informative.

I only consider credit card because I often get 0% interest offers for 18 months, but figured I'd have to weigh that against a 3% markup.

And yes carrying 35 lbs of silver isn't something you'd want to do in a zombie apocalypse.

Hi.

Anyone know where I can get a Testosterone injection in Pattaya.

I understand the cost is 8000 baht.

I am staying in Soi Diana. So getting there from my hotel would be helpful.

Thanks.

TC.

In my research and planning I've been trawling the Thai Friendly app.

It's pretty exhausting especially for the larger cities like bkk and Pattaya.

Was wondering if we can share on here recommended girls?

If so I'd be interested in getting TF names, especially if large chested and slimish, tall or short.

[QUOTE=Tcvve;2720508]Hi.

Anyone know where I can get a Testosterone injection in Pattaya.

I understand the cost is 8000 baht.

I am staying in Soi Diana. So getting there from my hotel would be helpful.

Thanks.

TC.[/QUOTE]There is a pharmacy on Beach Road very close to Tim's Bar / Tahitian Queen gogo where you can buy the test vials and syringes at a reasonable price. I'm sure the pharmacist would jab you for a tip if you aren't comfortable doing it yourself.

Note that I visited this pharmacy preCovid. Can't verify it still exists.

[QUOTE=Tcvve;2720508]Hi.

Anyone know where I can get a Testosterone injection in Pattaya.

I understand the cost is 8000 baht.

I am staying in Soi Diana. So getting there from my hotel would be helpful.

Thanks.

TC.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=HardDrive;2720636]There is a pharmacy on Beach Road very close to Tim's Bar / Tahitian Queen gogo where you can buy the test vials and syringes at a reasonable price. I'm sure the pharmacist would jab you for a tip if you aren't comfortable doing it yourself.

Note that I visited this pharmacy preCovid. Can't verify it still exists.[/QUOTE]Testosterone is not something to be played with unless you have proper medical supervision and testing. At a minimum, get your testosterone level checked in advance and learn what the numbers mean. If you continue to use it, other things become a concern.

For self administration, there are expensive daily gels, which are very simple. You can also get vials of testosterone and syringes for bi-weekly self injection. The urologist may also inject some longer life testosterone or maybe give you implants that last about 90 days.

That 8000 baht price tag sounds like implanted pellets. The self injected testosterone from a vial should be much less expensive (maybe 1500 baht for a 6-month supply).

I noticed there are escorts in smooci with a tag: COF (cum on face). Did anyone try it?

Also, I have high velocity shots, will it be a problem?

Any suggestions on how to aim will be appreciated. Can't find any instructions on the internet.

I'm not into that kind of stuff, but there is a clinic? On the Corner of Pattaya Klang and 3rd Road down from Big see Extra, you can take a Songthaw on Soi Buakhao to Pattaya Klang for 10 baht.

[QUOTE=SarhaOtzar;2720889]I noticed there are escorts in smooci with a tag: COF (cum on face). Did anyone try it?

Also, I have high velocity shots, will it be a problem?

Any suggestions on how to aim will be appreciated. Can't find any instructions on the internet.[/QUOTE]Haha can't be real. Anyways, if a girl is advertising COF, that means you can cum on her face, but you'll probably be asked to aim for her mouth. Not because she doesn't do it, but because if you nut all over her face she has to redo her makeup, and thai girls don't like to have to do that, takes them a lot of time.

[QUOTE=GrapeMan;2721483]Haha can't be real. Anyways, if a girl is advertising COF, that means you can cum on her face, but you'll probably be asked to aim for her mouth. Not because she doesn't do it, but because if you nut all over her face she has to redo her makeup, and thai girls don't like to have to do that, takes them a lot of time.[/QUOTE]Noted to myself hehe. Just curiosity though. I don't think I'll do it, ever. Better experience other things like 3 sm maybe.

A question for senior members who know Thailand very well.

I have an upcoming week only in beautiful Thailand.

Previously been to Banglok many times, Koh Samui, Phuket many times, Pattaya several times etc. Never been to Hua Hin or other islands.

I have only 1 week and fly into Bangkok where I have one business meeting. So that ensures one night in town and I fly out of BKK so that leaves 5 other nights. What would senior guys recommend? I wanted to go to both Pattaya and Hua Hin but they stopped the ferry so a long trip from one to the other. Would you guys do more nights in BKK or all 5 in either of Huan Hin or Pattaya or a mix? Want to avoid loads of flights.

[QUOTE=PayForIt;2726694]I wanted to go to both Pattaya and Hua Hin but they stopped the ferry so a long trip from one to the other. Would you guys do more nights in BKK or all 5 in either of Huan Hin or Pattaya or a mix? Want to avoid loads of flights.[/QUOTE]Ain't shit in Hua Hin. I certainly would not waste it there. I don't think there are any flights to avoid. I think the drive from Pattaya to Hua Hin was like 5 hours and cost me 2500 baht in a private car.

[QUOTE=PayForIt;2726694]A question for senior members who know Thailand very well.

I have an upcoming week only in beautiful Thailand.

Previously been to Banglok many times, Koh Samui, Phuket many times, Pattaya several times etc. Never been to Hua Hin or other islands.

I have only 1 week and fly into Bangkok where I have one business meeting. So that ensures one night in town and I fly out of BKK so that leaves 5 other nights. What would senior guys recommend? I wanted to go to both Pattaya and Hua Hin but they stopped the ferry so a long trip from one to the other. Would you guys do more nights in BKK or all 5 in either of Huan Hin or Pattaya or a mix? Want to avoid loads of flights.[/QUOTE]The difference between Hua Hin and Pattaya are like night and day. Hua Hin is much more laid back and quiet. There is a night live scene and plenty of bars to hang out in. In May I had the same plans as you and chose to go to Hua Hin first. Never made it to Pattaya. I liked Hua HIn and decided to stay there. But that was me. I am a 67 year old man who has had a very stressful couple of years. I found plenty of companionship in Hua Hin and enjoyed the peace and quiet. If you want peace and quiet then go to Hua Hin. If you want lots of nightlife and an endless selection of women then go to Pattaya. The trip to Hua Hin is about 4 hours by car or bus. Once there you are looking at an 8 hour trip to Pattaya.

FYI.

[URL]https://www.bangkokpost.com/thailand/general/2358831/consumption-of-cannabis-drink-leads-to-arrest-at-malaysian-border[/URL]

[QUOTE=AggieDad1;2726751]... I am a 67 year old man who has had a very stressful couple of years. I found plenty of companionship in Hua Hin and enjoyed the peace and quiet….[/QUOTE]I am a handful or years behind you. Same story. Since March 2020 I never missed a day of work and reported to the office every day. Understaffed and lots to BUT I got shit done and now it is decompression time in Thailand for two weeks. Currently in Samui with a nice girl. Just give me peace and quiet and an Isan girl. Life is good!

P.S. Always admired Jackie Sherrill.

[QUOTE=AggieDad1;2726751]The difference between Hua Hin and Pattaya are like night and day. Hua Hin is much more laid back and quiet. There is a night live scene and plenty of bars to hang out in. In May I had the same plans as you and chose to go to Hua Hin first. Never made it to Pattaya. I liked Hua HIn and decided to stay there. But that was me. I am a 67 year old man who has had a very stressful couple of years. I found plenty of companionship in Hua Hin and enjoyed the peace and quiet. If you want peace and quiet then go to Hua Hin. If you want lots of nightlife and an endless selection of women then go to Pattaya. The trip to Hua Hin is about 4 hours by car or bus. Once there you are looking at an 8 hour trip to Pattaya.[/QUOTE]This is really informative thanks. Obviously a different take to Mr Enternational who doesn't rate Hua Hin. I have done Pattaya before but oddly didn't really like Walking street much. Not sure why as I like Phuket / Bangla Rd and Koh Samui but then in BKK I prefer Soi Cowboy, Therme and even Hilary (pool bar) to Nana. I just wanted to try somewhere new but from BKK without a flight the options are not great. Last time I did this I ended up flying all over (Phnom Penh / HCMC / KL / Sing) and felt exhausted and wondered if I should just have picked one or two places. A hint that I am getting older! I found myself using the soapies in Pattaya more than the nightlife albeit with one unforgettable night. I think a few days on the coast chilled out sounds really nice but the whole reason for seeking advice was to ask you guys on the ground and for Mr E (clearly one of the most senior and respected posters in the Thai forums) to take the view that Hua Hin has little to offer, is a worry.

The ferry would have made my mind up to go to both. I don't want to waste an entire day travelling in a car (be it 5 hours as Mr E suggests, or 8 in your experience). Wondering if I could get a private taxi boat but then equally don't want to risk some dodgy boat cutting out in the middle of the ocean! It's not about the cost for me. It's about the time. There are no direct flights.

Which leads me to a final question if you both don't mind: leaving aside Pattaya and Hua Hin completely, are there any other destinations you would have suggested to go to instead of either? Thanks for the help. Greatly appreciated.

[QUOTE=PayForIt;2726904]This is really informative thanks. Obviously a different take to Mr Enternational who doesn't rate Hua Hin. I have done Pattaya before but oddly didn't really like Walking street much. Not sure why as I like Phuket / Bangla Rd and Koh Samui but then in BKK I prefer Soi Cowboy, Therme and even Hilary (pool bar) to Nana. I just wanted to try somewhere new but from BKK without a flight the options are not great. Last time I did this I ended up flying all over (Phnom Penh / HCMC / KL / Sing) and felt exhausted and wondered if I should just have picked one or two places. A hint that I am getting older! I found myself using the soapies in Pattaya more than the nightlife albeit with one unforgettable night. I think a few days on the coast chilled out sounds really nice but the whole reason for seeking advice was to ask you guys on the ground and for Mr E (clearly one of the most senior and respected posters in the Thai forums) to take the view that Hua Hin has little to offer, is a worry.

The ferry would have made my mind up to go to both. I don't want to waste an entire day travelling in a car (be it 5 hours as Mr E suggests, or 8 in your experience). Wondering if I could get a private taxi boat but then equally don't want to risk some dodgy boat cutting out in the middle of the ocean! It's not about the cost for me. It's about the time. There are no direct flights.

Which leads me to a final question if you both don't mind: leaving aside Pattaya and Hua Hin completely, are there any other destinations you would have suggested to go to instead of either? Thanks for the help. Greatly appreciated.[/QUOTE]I have been through Hua Hin a few times and there really isn't much there. Pattaya and Bangkok have such a huge variety Hua Hin really doesn't compare and as you said it is a bit of a hike there and not much in between. I personally would not like to get there via water taxi, the chance of being ill is high. A big ferry would be fine but as you said you would lose a day.

Apart from Pattaya and Bangkok I would suggest Phuket. The Island is beautiful and there are plenty of options.

I was in Udon Thani recently, and was struck by the number of elderly Farangs accompanied by much younger Thai ladies.

Since I am a firm believer in the 3 day rule, I can't imagine living with a Thai lady who is only in it for money. Actually, I did for a couple of months last year, during Covid. I kicked her out for whining about her Thai boyfriend all the time.

The exception is travel, I will go with a Thai lady abroad for a while. Being away from Thailand changes their perspective.

[QUOTE=PayForIt;2726694]A question for senior members who know Thailand very well.

I have an upcoming week only in beautiful Thailand.

Previously been to Banglok many times, Koh Samui, Phuket many times, Pattaya several times etc. Never been to Hua Hin or other islands.

I have only 1 week and fly into Bangkok where I have one business meeting. So that ensures one night in town and I fly out of BKK so that leaves 5 other nights. What would senior guys recommend? I wanted to go to both Pattaya and Hua Hin but they stopped the ferry so a long trip from one to the other. Would you guys do more nights in BKK or all 5 in either of Huan Hin or Pattaya or a mix? Want to avoid loads of flights.[/QUOTE]Hua Hin is excellent and worth the effort.

You won't find gogos or soapies.

You will find great small bar and massage areas, plus a hidden away late night area.

I live in Phuket, and love it, I am happy visiting Bangkok, and detest Pattaya.

Yet I am comfortable and relaxed whenever I am in Hua Hin.

[QUOTE=PayForIt;2726904]I think a few days on the coast chilled out sounds really nice but the whole reason for seeking advice was to ask you guys on the ground and for Mr E (clearly one of the most senior and respected posters in the Thai forums) to take the view that Hua Hin has little to offer, is a worry.[/QUOTE]I went with my girl because I wanted beaches. Maybe I was expecting too much. Also keep in mind that I did rent a car when we were there so I drove all around the place. My main reason was to go to the beach on the military base in Prachuap Khiri Khan that was supposed to be so good. Different strokes for different folks and you won't know if you never go. I noticed a world of difference from the people you see in Pattaya and the Thai tourists I saw in Hua Hin. None of those people had tattoos!

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2727017]I went with my girl because I wanted beaches. Maybe I was expecting too much. Also keep in mind that I did rent a car when we were there so I drove all around the place. My main reason was to go to the beach on the military base in Prachuap Khiri Khan that was supposed to be so good.[/QUOTE]I thought about going to that military beach made somewhat famous by Joe, the Youtube vlogger. But on closer viewing it doesn't seem like anything special. I would think a drive 1 hour from Pattaya would get you a nicer beach. I've thought about Koh Chang this August or September but I was led to believe the island pretty much closed down due to rainy season. Ay thoughts on Koh Chang during rainy season?

Just a quick note of appreciation to all who responded to my request. A very mixed bag of responses with some saying Hua Hin is really worth the effort whilst others saying not worth it at all. As Mr E says, if you don't try you won't know. I a likely to be joined on the business trip by one colleague so will feed back with him and see what we decide to do. As he is in his 30's my guess is he will want the razz of Pattaya more than the tranquil Hua Hin but who knows. Interesting (and sensible) feedback on not taking a private water taxi! Cannot thank the responders enough for the valuable contributions.

[QUOTE=ThaiGoodTimes;2726987]Hua Hin is excellent and worth the effort.

You won't find gogos or soapies.

You will find great small bar and massage areas, plus a hidden away late night area.

I live in Phuket, and love it, I am happy visiting Bangkok, and detest Pattaya.

Yet I am comfortable and relaxed whenever I am in Hua Hin.[/QUOTE]Can you share why you don't like Pattaya? Too budy / crowded compared to Hua Hin?

First post after joining. Am planning for 30 or 40 days in Thailand Jan / Feb. Been researching a lot and would like any thoughts people might add. Thinking about BKK for a week or so, Pattaya for a week or, Phuket for a couple then back to Pattaya / BKK before heading back. Quit drink a ways back and the idea of go go bars doesn't trip my trigger, too noisy. I'm 66 so I wonder how big a factor that is with the ladies (I work out so pretty fit)? Was looking at the Aspira One Hotel in Suttisan? For a base camp to start. Right at a subway stop. Plan to both chase tail and sightsee. Is there a better area than that to start? Been spending hours looking at hotels in these spots. Does a guy need to book them now to be sure he gets what he wants or can I do that once I arrive. Hate to be tied down if a place is great. Having retired a bachelor I'm looking for a place to get out of the MT winters with reasonable costs. The ladies are a nice side benefit.

Spent time in BKK and Phuket long ago. Was in the Mississippi Queen bar on Pat Pong (IIRC) on New Years Eve 1977 and spent two weeks on Nang Hahn? Beach in Phuket staying in a bamboo thatch hut with a sand floor. Think there were only a couple resorts back then on the island, lots of hippie types from Oz and Europe. It was a blast. Glad to be on board and plan to share what fun I can find there on the forum.

[QUOTE=Utente1391;2727128]Can you share why you don't like Pattaya? Too budy / crowded compared to Hua Hin?[/QUOTE]I don't know if you will understand this unless you've seen a lot of Thailand, away from the tourist traps even.

I mean by that, away from Bangkok, Pattaya, and even in Phuket.

I have traveled extensively, in Thailand, all of Isaan, up north and down south, seen the normal life of Thais you might say.

I didn't like the Thais attitude towards you in Pattaya.

They, and I mean girls, had become hardened, almost non Thai in cultural personality.

Way less real smiles, fun, and engagement.

Great Thai people, working girls, and others, are still there, but you have to work harder to break through their in place defenses.

In Hua Hin, I find the smiles are still genuinely there.

Maybe because most working girls there still live in communal "workplace" settings, so they still have linkages, not isolation.

[QUOTE=BigSkyNomad;2727226]I'm 66 so I wonder how big a factor that is with the ladies (I work out so pretty fit)? [/QUOTE]Of course not, they're professionals. Why would hookers care how fit you are? If anything, a few girls might avoid young guys since they prefer not to get rogered too hard for too long.

If you're looking for civilians, be forewarned that Farang are far less popular than 10-20 years ago (let alone back in 1977!) and lower your expectations. At your age, you might find your choices limited, but still more abundant than back home. ThaiFriendly is a decent place to look for civilians, mixed in with a few freelancers.

[QUOTE=BigSkyNomad;2727226]Was looking at the Aspira One Hotel in Suttisan? For a base camp to start. Right at a subway stop. Plan to both chase tail and sightsee. Is there a better area than that to start? [/QUOTE]Way too far from the action. Only good if you don't mind using short time hotels. If you want to take girls from Sukhumvit, don't be more than 4-5 stops from Nana BTS or Asoke MRT station or a 10-15 minute taxi ride away.

[QUOTE=BigSkyNomad;2727226]Does a guy need to book them now to be sure he gets what he wants or can I do that once I arrive. [/QUOTE]Best to book a hotel for 2-3 days at first, see if you like the place and the neighborhood, then extend or move on. Occupancy is generally low, and unlikely to skyrocket this year.

[QUOTE=ThaiGoodTimes;2727242]I don't know if you will understand this unless you've seen a lot of Thailand, away from the tourist traps even.

I mean by that, away from Bangkok, Pattaya, and even in Phuket.

I have traveled extensively, in Thailand, all of Isaan, up north and down south, seen the normal life of Thais you might say.

I didn't like the Thais attitude towards you in Pattaya.

They, and I mean girls, had become hardened, almost non Thai in cultural personality.

Way less real smiles, fun, and engagement.

Great Thai people, working girls, and others, are still there, but you have to work harder to break through their in place defenses.

In Hua Hin, I find the smiles are still genuinely there.

Maybe because most working girls there still live in communal "workplace" settings, so they still have linkages, not isolation.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the reply, would you have some suggestions for smaller places to visit away from the beaten path that still offer some possibilities mongering wise like hua hin? I'm heading to LOS for 30+days in October and might consider to change places if I get tired of pattaya after 2/3 weeks.

Today, I am performing a very difficult maneuver: I am going to the village with a bargirl. This is a classic ritual, if you barfine a lady twice, she will offer to take you to her village. Some Farangs believe this is a preliminary to marriage, or otherwise means they are very special.

The twist here is that I am going to two different villages with two different ladies today. Don't try this at home.

Actually, I am in the village for two days, I am staying in a rather low rent "resort". I had a third lady from a different village sleep with me last night. She was as hot as a firecracker, apparently it's not so easy for bargirls to hook up with a local guy when they come back to the village. If you ever lived in a small town, you would understand. She couldn't get enough, until I passed out.

Fun in Isaan.

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;2727423]Of course not, they're professionals. Why would hookers care how fit you are? If anything, a few girls might avoid young guys since they prefer not to get rogered too hard for too long.

If you're looking for civilians, be forewarned that Farang are far less popular than 10-20 years ago (let alone back in 1977!) and lower your expectations. At your age, you might find your choices limited, but still more abundant than back home. ThaiFriendly is a decent place to look for civilians, mixed in with a few freelancers.

Way too far from the action. Only good if you don't mind using short time hotels. If you want to take girls from Sukhumvit, don't be more than 4-5 stops from Nana BTS or Asoke MRT station or a 10-15 minute taxi ride away.

Best to book a hotel for 2-3 days at first, see if you like the place and the neighborhood, then extend or move on. Occupancy is generally low, and unlikely to skyrocket this year.[/QUOTE]Thanks for your assistance. Asoke seems centrally located from my research, close to the subway and light rail. Anyone have suggestions on moderately priced (30 to 50 bucks) lodging in the area? How is getting around via subway and light rail? I'm leery of cabs due to stories about ripoffs.

[QUOTE=BigSkyNomad;2728940]Thanks for your assistance. Asoke seems centrally located from my research, close to the subway and light rail. Anyone have suggestions on moderately priced (30 to 50 bucks) lodging in the area? How is getting around via subway and light rail? I'm leery of cabs due to stories about ripoffs.[/QUOTE]If only there were a topic here about "Bangkok Hotels".

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2728966]If only there were a topic here about "Bangkok Hotels".[/QUOTE]Red Planet. Only drawback I see is no mini Refrigerator.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2728573]Today, I am performing a very difficult maneuver: I am going to the village with a bargirl. This is a classic ritual, if you barfine a lady twice, she will offer to take you to her village. Some Farangs believe this is a preliminary to marriage, or otherwise means they are very special.

The twist here is that I am going to two different villages with two different ladies today. Don't try this at home.

Actually, I am in the village for two days, I am staying in a rather low rent "resort". I had a third lady from a different village sleep with me last night. She was as hot as a firecracker, apparently it's not so easy for bargirls to hook up with a local guy when they come back to the village. If you ever lived in a small town, you would understand. She couldn't get enough, until I passed out.

Fun in Isaan.[/QUOTE]I love this post.

As was just suggested, you need to check the Bangkok Hotels section. Also, get your Ipad out and enter Asoke BTS, then zoom out to search some of the many hotels available. You might find more than a few for $50. I would not necessarily recommend going for $30, but that's just me.

Look at Soi 18 - a little quieter than being right on Sukhumvit. Looks like there are a few choices on Soi 14, which would be even closer to Asoke. But maybe not as quiet.

How is BTS and MRT? Amazing, and cheap. Recommended!!

[QUOTE=BigSkyNomad;2728940]Thanks for your assistance. Asoke seems centrally located from my research, close to the subway and light rail. Anyone have suggestions on moderately priced (30 to 50 bucks) lodging in the area? How is getting around via subway and light rail? I'm leery of cabs due to stories about ripoffs.[/QUOTE]Asoke is close to the action and great for transportation, with both BTS and MRT. As for hotels, looking at sites like Agoda, [URL]Booking.com[/URL] or Google hotels would serve you better than random advice from someone here.

As for taxis, it's easy to avoid the ripoffs. When entering the cab (before you sit, with the door open), state your destination and say "meter". If they refuse or offer you a fixed fare, try another passing cab, perhaps a bit further down the road. Don't bother with taxis waiting around.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2728573]Today, I am performing a very difficult maneuver: I am going to the village with a bargirl. This is a classic ritual, if you barfine a lady twice, she will offer to take you to her village. Some Farangs believe this is a preliminary to marriage, or otherwise means they are very special.

The twist here is that I am going to two different villages with two different ladies today. Don't try this at home.

Actually, I am in the village for two days, I am staying in a rather low rent "resort". I had a third lady from a different village sleep with me last night. She was as hot as a firecracker, apparently it's not so easy for bargirls to hook up with a local guy when they come back to the village. If you ever lived in a small town, you would understand. She couldn't get enough, until I passed out..[/QUOTE]Life is so much fun.

I hope you keep living it for a long time longer.

Be careful tho if they say they're just going to feed the ducks.

[QUOTE=Utente1391;2727447]Thanks for the reply, would you have some suggestions for smaller places to visit away from the beaten path that still offer some possibilities mongering wise like hua hin? I'm heading to LOS for 30+days in October and might consider to change places if I get tired of pattaya after 2/3 weeks.[/QUOTE]Sorry for the delay in answering, but I had missed seeing your reply.

Four weeks in Pattaya sends shivers of dread down my spine.

If you like it, no problem, but you will likely very much end up doing the same day in and day out LOL.

If you need to change for a week, then.

I would definitely recommend seeing Hua Hin, probably for 3-4 days to see if you like it.

As I am a strong advocate of it's style of more personable and friendly (as in less games) Thai mongering.

I would also recommend Rawai area of Phuket, which I will admit is my home base by choice.

It has the advantage that there is a lot of action, albeit spread out.

And many things to do to take a break from mongering.

Plus you can head easily into Patong for more mainstream hardcore action as an adjunct, or if you find Rawai not to your liking.

In the past I would have also suggested Koh Samui, but sadly that mongering scene is in very slow recovery.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2728966]If only there were a topic here about "Bangkok Hotels".[/QUOTE]Apologies, still learning my way around. Thanks to those who have indulged my rookieness.

[QUOTE=PapaeNoel;2729225]As was just suggested, you need to check the Bangkok Hotels section. Also, get your Ipad out and enter Asoke BTS, then zoom out to search some of the many hotels available. You might find more than a few for $50. I would not necessarily recommend going for $30, but that's just me.

Look at Soi 18 - a little quieter than being right on Sukhumvit. Looks like there are a few choices on Soi 14, which would be even closer to Asoke. But maybe not as quiet.

How is BTS and MRT? Amazing, and cheap. Recommended!![/QUOTE]Appreciate the assistance and apologies for the wrong forum inquiry. I've been scouring the travel sites for a while, seems like they like to airbrush up the lower priced ones. Looks like you can find newer, decent digs in the 40 to 50 range. Also been studying maps to get the lay of the town. Thanks again.

[QUOTE=XXL;2732413]Am I the only one who feels uneasy about being in a bus on the elevated highway around Bangkok? The parapet walls on either side would be high enough to prevent a swerving car from toppling over. A bus would most likely fall down the 20-meter drop and kill everyone. A bus on those highways is as dangerous as a bus in the Chilean Andes.[/QUOTE]Try not to think about it. The fatality rate in vehicle accidents is very high in Thailand, along with the murder rate and suicide rate. Best to just think about how tight that girl you will be with tonight is, and not the many ways you will meet a sudden death in Thailand. 5555.

[QUOTE=AggieDad1;2732512]Try not to think about it. The fatality rate in vehicle accidents is very high in Thailand, along with the murder rate and suicide rate. Best to just think about how tight that girl you will be with tonight is, and not the many ways you will meet a sudden death in Thailand. 5555.[/QUOTE]You forgot the HIV rate.

[QUOTE=RickRock;2733246]You forgot the HIV rate.[/QUOTE][URL]https://www.cdc.gov/hiv/risk/estimates/riskbehaviors.html[/URL]

Simple said. If you fuck someone with hiv (anal sex) there is a change of 11/10. 000 (that's 0,0011%) to get HIV (highest possible score for straight guys).

Population with HIV in thailand is estimated at 1%.

So simple math. Yes there is a risk. But being hit by a motorbike is more likely to happen.

[QUOTE=MartinFlevo;2733300][URL]https://www.cdc.gov/hiv/risk/estimates/riskbehaviors.html[/URL]

Simple said. If you fuck someone with hiv (anal sex) there is a change of 11/10. 000 (that's 0,0011%) to get HIV (highest possible score for straight guys).

Population with HIV in thailand is estimated at 1%.

So simple math. Yes there is a risk. But being hit by a motorbike is more likely to happen.[/QUOTE]Thailand has the highest HIV rate in Asia, by far.

[URL]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_HIV/AIDS_adult_prevalence_rate[/URL]

1. 1% prevalence means approximately 1 out of 90 people have it.

That's one out of every 90 Thais. Including old people, young people, police, teachers, university professors.

When you look into prostitutes as a segment of the population, the percentage is much higher.

This scientific peer-reviewed study found prevalence of 20.2 percent among female prostitutes in Bangkok. [URL]https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4935540/[/URL].

There were higher rates in "non venue" prostitutes, which means freelancers. Venue based workers had a 2. 5 percent prevalence.

Thailand has a high HIV rate. HIV is concentrated in sex workers.

Heterosexuals can and do get HIV infections. It's not such "simple math" because there are things like menstruation, blood, HPV, HSV and other factors that can raise the chance of infection several times over.

This is all undisputed fact that anyone with an elementary education can understand.

Thailand also has one of the highest road death rates in the world. Second on earth last time I checked.

And one of the highest murder rates in Asia. Higher than Myanmar and Bangladesh even. Over 8 times higher than Japan, South Korea, Singapore.

It's a pretty terrible place overall. A real third world hell hole. That's one reason so much of the population ends up doing prostitution. Well educated and adjusted rich kids from healthy societies don't often end up turning tricks to foreign pensioners.

Enjoy your time in the LOS.

[QUOTE=RickRock;2734096]Thailand has the highest HIV rate in Asia, by far.

[URL]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_HIV/AIDS_adult_prevalence_rate[/URL]

1. 1% prevalence means approximately 1 out of 90 people have it.

That's one out of every 90 Thais. Including old people, young people, police, teachers, university professors.

This is all undisputed fact that anyone with an elementary education can understand..[/QUOTE]Except when you pay more attention and do your research before babbling, you realize the data of 1. 1% is ages 15-49. That's what footnotes are for. Common sense tells you 450,000 in a country close to 70,000,000 is NOT 1.1%. So it's not one out of every 90 Thais. Feel free to apologize to the Kingdom with the capital known to locals as the City of Angels.

[QUOTE=RickRock;2734096]
This scientific peer-reviewed study found prevalence of 20.2 percent among female prostitutes in Bangkok. [URL]https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4935540/[/URL][/QUOTE]Thanks for posting this. Surprisingly high figures there. That study is 15 years old though, are there any newer similar studies with fresher figures? Could the payment for taking the tests (400 baht) and recruitment bonuses offered for bringing in more subjects (50 baht) have skewed the sample somewhat?

[QUOTE=RickRock;2734096]Thailand has the highest HIV rate in Asia, by far.

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This is all undisputed fact that anyone with an elementary education can understand.

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[/QUOTE]I have a bit more than an elementary education, but I need you to explain something to me. How does your posted information account for the many Thai citizens who have HIV but get the proper treatment and their levels are so low that they cannot transmit HIV to another person? Does the 1.1% include those people as having HIV or not? I'm sure you are aware that the Thai medical system includes a large program to provide regularly scheduled lifetime treatment for HIV patients at very little cost to the patient.

[QUOTE=PuteNut;2734119]Thanks for posting this. Surprisingly high figures there. That study is 15 years old though, are there any newer similar studies with fresher figures? Could the payment for taking the tests (400 baht) and recruitment bonuses offered for bringing in more subjects (50 baht) have skewed the sample somewhat?[/QUOTE]So this old chestnut has been trotted out again, so so so funny still as it is a totally irrelevant and outdated survey.

It has absolutely 100% skewed results and factors, due to its small, non random sampling, targeted survey population of low price non venue street workers.

In other words those that primarily service the local male low income Thai and Burmese population, not local expats or tourist punters.

Not to mention that it is as old as a century egg (as pointed out above).

Furthermore, it even says that other surveys had found results at the time of just 2. 5% in venue based sex workers.

This survey has no relevance whatsoever for punters punting in Bangkok today.

Unless possibly if they're picking up ultra low price street walkers way down Soi Nana.

Here is the studies summary and terms of reference.

The pattern of sex work in Thailand has shifted substantially over the last two decades from direct commercial establishments to indirect venues and non-venue-based settings. This respondent-driven sampling survey was conducted in Bangkok in 2007 among female sex workers (FSW) in non-venue-based settings to pilot a new approach to surveillance among this hidden population. Fifteen initial participants recruited 707 consenting participants who completed a behavioural questionnaire, and provided oral fluid for HIV testing, and urine for sexually transmitted infection (STI) testing. Overall HIV prevalence was 20.2% (95% confidence interval CI 16.3–24.7). Three-quarters of women were street-based (75.8%, 95% CI 69.9–81.1) who had an especially high HIV prevalence (22.7%, 95% CI 18.2–28.4); about 10 times higher than that found in routine sentinel surveillance among venue-based FSW (2. 5% STI prevalence (Chlamydia trachomatis and Neisseria gonorrhoeae) was 8. 7% (95% CI 6. 4–10.8) and 1. 0% (95% CI 0. 2–1. 9), respectively. Lower price per sex act and a current STI infection were independently associated with HIV infection (P < 0. 05). High HIV prevalence found among FSW participating in the survey, particularly non-venue-based FSW, identifies need for further prevention efforts. In addition, it identifies a higher-risk segment of FSW not reached through routine sentinel surveillance but accessible through this survey method.

Can the HIV talk be moved to the lounge: [URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?3663-Thailand-Lounge-and-Chat-area[/URL].

Or to the general HIV section [URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?1077-The-Truth-about-AIDS[/URL].

[QUOTE=Oneminuteboy;2734405]Can the HIV talk be moved to the lounge: [URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?3663-Thailand-Lounge-and-Chat-area[/URL].

Or to the general HIV section [URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?1077-The-Truth-about-AIDS[/URL].[/QUOTE]Yes, let's move it out of sight, out of mind.

Rumours around that VOA is offered for 30 days instead of 15 . Confirmations anyone? What about waiting times at Bkk main airport compared to the ones in Chiangmai or Phuket?

[QUOTE=Bugzy69;2734419]Rumours around that VOA is offered for 30 days instead of 15 . Confirmations anyone? What about waiting times at Bkk main airport compared to the ones in Chiangmai or Phuket?[/QUOTE]Google is your friend: [URL]https://www.bangkokpost.com/thailand/general/2372603/visas-extended-to-boost-tourism[/URL].

[QUOTE=Bugzy69;2734419]Rumours around that VOA is offered for 30 days instead of 15 . Confirmations anyone? What about waiting times at Bkk main airport compared to the ones in Chiangmai or Phuket?[/QUOTE]Meeting was the 19th, 15 day visa now 30 days, 30 days now 45 days BUT, starts October 1st! To end of the year Only!

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;2734687]Meeting was the 19th, 15 day visa now 30 days, 30 days now 45 days BUT, starts October 1st! To end of the year Only![/QUOTE]The first sentence of the article says:

"The Centre for Covid-19 Situation Administration (CCSA) has approved longer visas for foreign visitors to the country from Oct 1 until March 31".

Not sure where you got that end of year only bit.

SL.

[QUOTE=Sunlover2;2734733]The first sentence of the article says:

"The Centre for Covid-19 Situation Administration (CCSA) has approved longer visas for foreign visitors to the country from Oct 1 until March 31".

Not sure where you got that end of year only bit.[/QUOTE]End of the Thai year!

[QUOTE=Sunlover2;2734581]Google is your friend: [URL]https://www.bangkokpost.com/thailand/general/2372603/visas-extended-to-boost-tourism[/URL].[/QUOTE]Visa on arrival by air has always been 30 days. Arrival by land was 15 days. For US citizens at least. Now it seems that both have been increased by 15 days.

[QUOTE=JimmyBoy99;2734762]Arrival by land was 15 days. For US citizens at least.[/QUOTE]No, by land it has also been 30 days for a few decades, except for a brief interval when they had it at 15, but quickly reverted back.

The 15 days refer to Visa On Arrival, which applies to the Chinese, Indians and a few other nationalities. Not to be confused with the visa-exempt 30 day stamp.

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;2734792]No, by land it has also been 30 days for a few decades, except for a brief interval when they had it at 15, but quickly reverted back.

The 15 days refer to Visa On Arrival, which applies to the Chinese, Indians and a few other nationalities. Not to be confused with the visa-exempt 30 day stamp.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the correction.

My country is on that list too, so its a 30 day stamp. On previous trips I always bought visa tru our consulate here in Malta, 60 day stay and a fee of 35 euros but local office closed during covid. Presently to obtain a visa one have to send passport and all documents with a courier to the Greek embassy at Athens and all this shit plus a staggering 125 euros fee.

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;2734792]No, by land it has also been 30 days for a few decades, except for a brief interval when they had it at 15, but quickly reverted back.

The 15 days refer to Visa On Arrival, which applies to the Chinese, Indians and a few other nationalities. Not to be confused with the visa-exempt 30 day stamp.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=JimmyBoy99;2734762]Visa on arrival by air has always been 30 days. Arrival by land was 15 days. For US citizens at least. Now it seems that both have been increased by 15 days.[/QUOTE]Wondering if I land in Thailand Sept. 5 and stay until Oct. 9 if my 30 day visa I got when landing, automatic turns into 45 day visa on Oct. 1 , any idea! Or when leaving I have to pay fine per each extra day I stay? Any information will help! Thanks.

There are different requirements depending on your country of citizenship and country of residence, perhaps other factors too. Check the Thai E-Visa website to see what applies in your situation.

[URL]https://www.thaievisa.go.th/[/URL]

As of 12 hours ago, that website does not reflect the expected changes described in recent posts. I have no idea when the changes will be posted in the Royal Gazette.

[QUOTE=RacShack;2734903]Wondering if I land in Thailand Sept. 5 and stay until Oct. 9 if my 30 day visa I got when landing, automatic turns into 45 day visa on Oct. 1 , any idea! Or when leaving I have to pay fine per each extra day I stay? Any information will help! Thanks.[/QUOTE]Arrivals on or after October 1 will get the 45 days. You however can get the E Visa 60 days now or pay 1900 baht to get an extension of an extra 30 days when on the ground.

[URL]https://www.thaievisa.go.th/[/URL]

[QUOTE=RacShack;2734903]Wondering if I land in Thailand Sept. 5 and stay until Oct. 9 if my 30 day visa I got when landing, automatic turns into 45 day visa on Oct. 1 , any idea! Or when leaving I have to pay fine per each extra day I stay? Any information will help! Thanks.[/QUOTE]I sincerely doubt you will be given the extra 15 days unless you get lucky and the immigration officer is not paying attention.

I have been warned not to overstay because immigration will look at you more closely on future trips. I don't know if that is accurate or not. I don't recall anybody here mentioning problems with overstays besides the cost.

The fee to extend is B1900 unless you have a visa agency do it for you. They're charging about B2000-B2500 on top of the government fee of B1900 for a total of about B4000-B4500 to do it for you.

[QUOTE=RacShack;2734903]Wondering if I land in Thailand Sept. 5 and stay until Oct. 9 if my 30 day visa I got when landing, automatic turns into 45 day visa on Oct. 1 , any idea! Or when leaving I have to pay fine per each extra day I stay? Any information will help! Thanks.[/QUOTE]Nope you have to apply for the 45 day Visa before you arrive in Thailand while you are still OUTSIDE of Thailand. Not sure what they mean by this since it has yet to be published. I'm in your boat too with my arrival in Thailand for September. I will delay to October if they change the entry rules to my benefit.

I wouldn't recommend knowingly overstaying and paying a fine. Pretty sure they keep a record of this crap. I'll be living in Bangkok this time around. See you if you're up in BKK.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2735178]Nope you have to apply for the 45 day Visa before you arrive in Thailand while you are still OUTSIDE of Thailand. Not sure what they mean by this since it has yet to be published. I'm in your boat too with my arrival in Thailand for September. I will delay to October if they change the entry rules to my benefit.

I wouldn't recommend knowingly overstaying and paying a fine. Pretty sure they keep a record of this crap. I'll be living in Bangkok this time around. See you if you're up in BKK.[/QUOTE]I'm in your boat, I'm waiting to see what the new visa rules are.

Overstays in Thailand are a total nono, especially if you are traveling back and forth.

From the Bangkok Thread.

Here is my experience with the above doing research and experimenting years back. I know of know ATM offer by Thailand to give what the International rate that might be posted like Bloomberg.

If for example, Bloomberg has it listed at 36.00 using an ATM, cards like Charlies Schwab, Fidelity, Chased, Wells, etc. Will give you that rate, it is usually lower in the range of 35.40-50, at an exchange booth like in Pattaya T. T. Which general giving the best rate it might be at 35.65-70.

For 10 years I used a number of times the ATM for my living expenses, the majority with Charles Schwab, Credit Union, and Wells, only CS, reimbursed and the other two have large balances majority use Aeon ATMs due to the lower fee of 150, plus a 1% charge on the other end in the USA.

Five years ago I started to use Wise, after researching all other transfer options for larger amounts for major purchases but to make things flow better and faster plan ahead and kept each transfer to 10,000 to my Thai Bank account with Bangkok Bank.

Two years ago I woke up and when it came to using Wise, not sure why it took me so long. With Wise rate offered for example if I saw it on Bloomberg in the morning at 36.00 I log on to Wise and start my transfer that is what I was getting 36,00 with their fee, it was still lower by half by the time I paid the 150 plus the other 1% back home. Normally, I would take a 500 USD withdrawal in baht to not exceed the limit to be safe 15,000 baht, my bank in the USA Would charge me like $4. 90.

Since using Wise monthly and forwarding my pension each month to my Thai Bank Bangkok Bank, with the max rate of exchange being provided by Wise, I'm coming out ahead over 10,000 baht a month compare to using the ATM method. I've had family and friends switch majority was having their S. S. Pension sent to the and. Why. H. Q Bangkok Bank then ACH forward to their Bangkok bank. They all thought they were doing good until I got them on Wise.

There is a bit of a hassle with Wise due to their security measures, you set up your account whenever you log they at times want to send you a numeric code to enter your account make sure it is texted to a phone number you can access at all times. I have a Thai number and a USA I register it with the Thai since I live here the majority of the year. Not sure if you can register your email address?

Last, I regularly use the ACH option, and if you are using it for immigration purposes for one retirement O, each month when they ask you for the reason you scroll down to end " living expenses " when the money arrives in your book it comes over as FTT which satisfies Immigration.

Since reading all this ATM stuff and I wrote this about ATM a few years back and it was a Warning!

There have been times I use a specific card on a Thai ATM, after it charges you 220, the next screen gives you a breakdown of the conversion! This isn't what is offered on the International market THIS IS THE BANK ADDITION CHARGES BY OFFERING A MUCH LOWER RATE! You have a choice of pushing YES OR NO, most think to get the money you must push YES! That isn't the case you can push NO, then you get something closer to the market rate and still get the money you requested!

The majority of the time when I need to use my Charles Schwab or even Wells, the message isn't ever shown it just goes to the market rate. But Monday, I was a bit short on cash to pick up my truck at the dealership so I went next door to the 7/11, but it didn't have a Bangkok Bank ATM, only Siam so I had to use my CS card. After the 220 charge the message of conversion show up to my surprise so after going over the fine print the rate given was 35.75, I said no way that is what I saw on Bloomberg this morning. The catch Siam Commercial got a bit slick IMO, there was a notation of a charge of 5% addition for the conversion that would have lowered the 35.75 ALOT!

So beware, if you don't have a Thai Bank account, a two-week millionaire who doesn't care or have the time to think of such things LBM understands go on with your life. But if you do there above is the information.

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;2735552]Five years ago I started to use Wise, after researching all other transfer options for larger amounts [/QUOTE]How long does the transfer usually take?

For the past several years since 2016 I have been applying in the US through the Thai consulate for a 60 day visa stay to cover the winter months from Jan to end of Feb. However, I like to stay in Thailand for 90 days taking me to the end of March so I request a 30 day extension via their immigration office, which is located outside of Bangkok. The cost is 1900 bt for the extension and about $45 USD for the 60 day tourist visa. It's a bit of a pain having to travel to the outskirts of Bangkok to apply for the extra time but that's the only option for a 90 day stay (without leaving the country) and returning for 30 days.

I don't see what the big deal about the 45 day Visa on arrival. If you want to stay more time, then you have to make the trek out to their suburban office for 30 more days for 1900 bt but, of course, that gives you two and a half months, not three. Not sure, how Thai authorities view a second request for another 30 days but I have heard in the past they took a dim view of it.

Stickman has suggested in recent columns that they should allow six months VOA but doubt that will ever happen. Their attitude regarding farangs remain the same.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2735604]How long does the transfer usually take?[/QUOTE]Once your set up account I noticed small amount like 2-3,000 if you do it morning by 4 pm should have it don't do weekends when This banks are closed.

I've in many cases completed the transaction and gotten the money in my account in 20 minutes I though no way? So I went to my bank ATM check it was there. I checked my USA Account they haven't even requested it.

You can track the transaction although not exact but best to plan ahead.

I know a few guys here do it on their phones regularly that get it within minutes not sure how their accounts are set up. Wise have bank accounts and ATM cards I'm not sure how that words.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2735604]How long does the transfer usually take?[/QUOTE]I think it depends on which country you are transferring money from and which country you are transferring money to. Or from which bank? Not sure.

Anyway, my experience with Wise is very similar (good) but also a bit different in a couple of smallish details than was posted previously and I suspect that is because I transfer money from a Bank of America account in the USA to my Bangkok Bank account in Thailand.

I will now go into more detail here than most want to know or read about this but some of it might be useful for USA expats living in Thailand on Long Stay visas who make regular money transfers from their USA bank account to their Thailand bank account as I do. So here goes:

See, Wise has funds and procedures set up in each of those particular countries ready to make a deposit happen in Thailand literally within seconds, often not even a full minute. That's because they aren't really pulling money out of the USA account to move it into a Thailand account (as a procedure, I mean. Of course, it is never done literally and physically). Wise already has an account full of funds in Thailand and a secure and reliable withdrawal procedure set up with USA / Bank of America. So all they're doing is making sure I've got the amount stated in my USA account, that they've "written a valid check for it" and then they will just make a simple domestic transfer from one bank in Thailand (theirs) to another bank in Thailand (mine).

It happens as fast as one of our girlfriends gets the 200 baht she pestered us for to top up her phone from our, say, Bangkok Bank account to her, say, Kasikorn Bank account. Really, within a few seconds she has it in her account, right? Same with Wise to us in this example.

And that is also why we might look at our USA Bank of America account mobile app or online banking site and see the money hasn't even been taken out of that account yet. But Wise has "written a valid check for it", they know we are good for the money and they will get it soon enough, usually within 1-2 days. That is the way it works from my USA account to my Thailand account, that is. It might be different from and to other countries or banks.

Another difference is in my experience I must choose "Funds for long stay in Thailand" as the reason for the transfer if I want the record on my Bangkok Bank statements to show the all-important FTT or Foreign Transfer designation in order to satisfy the monthly Foreign Transfer minimum with Immigration and to maintain my retirement visa requirements (for those of us who chose the monthly transfer option vs a large lump sum deposit option for that purpose).

That money must be a genuine Foreign Transfer. And when I choose "Funds for long stay in Thailand" I will not receive the money within seconds. No, in that case Wise is going through a more typical international transfer procedure from one country to another, not a simple domestic transfer within the same country. Consequently, I will receive the money in my Bangkok Bank account the afternoon of the next business day. The important thing being, and Wise understands this, that it will then be considered and properly identified on my Bangkok Bank statement record as a true FTT or Foreign Transfer.

My choosing "General living expenses" or anything else as the reason for the transfer will not do it for me. Yes, I will then get the money in my Thai bank account within seconds vs the afternoon of the next business day. But it will only go on record as a Transfer From One Account To Another. Which is not enough info for Immigration. As far as they know I just pulled it out of one Thai bank account and put it into another Thai bank account. Which, in fact, is exactly what Wise did in order to get it to me within seconds.

But that kind of transfer is not what Immigration is looking for to justify the Long Stay visa ink stamp I want in my passport. They want to see money from outside of Thailand being brought into and spent in Thailand.

[QUOTE=Tomasb;2735795]I don't see what the big deal about the 45 day Visa on arrival.[/QUOTE]In my case: the hotel I stay at in Bangkok offers a 10% discount for 15+ day stays, and a 20% discount for 30+ day stays. I used to have to get creative with my entries and departures to achieve the 30 day mark. No longer the case it seems because I would certainly take advantage of the longer stay opportunity.

[QUOTE=Tomasb;2735795]Stickman has suggested in recent columns that they should allow six months VOA but doubt that will ever happen. Their attitude regarding farangs remain the same.[/QUOTE]True this.

SL.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2735604]How long does the transfer usually take?[/QUOTE]Just don't do it while the bank you are taking the money from or the bank you are transferring the money to are closed. It could take 2 days over a weekend. Otherwise it will take seconds. May be longer for a new user. I've never transferred more than 50k baht at a time. The fees on Wise are nominal for what you are transferring. The exchange rates are the true rates.

Plan on entering with (60 days tourist visa at BKK + 30 extension) + one day border run to Cambodia for another (45 days visa exemption (Oct 1) + 30 days extension) + another one day border run Cambodia (45 days visa exemption + 30 days extension) = 240 days.

So 240 days total to fuck 300+ different girls. Will Thailand allow this for an 8 month stay? It's only 3 official entry stamps (1 tourist visa + 2 being land border) in one calendar year.

[QUOTE=ElMexicant;2736477]Plan on entering with (60 days tourist visa at BKK + 30 extension) + one day border run to Cambodia for another (45 days visa exemption (Oct 1) + 30 days extension) + another one day border run Cambodia (45 days visa exemption + 30 days extension) = 240 days.

So 240 days total to fuck 300+ different girls. Will Thailand allow this for an 8 month stay? It's only 3 official entry stamps (1 tourist visa + 2 being land border) in one calendar year.[/QUOTE]I am looking forward to reading your 300 reports.

[QUOTE=ElMexicant;2736477]Plan on entering with (60 days tourist visa at BKK + 30 extension) + one day border run to Cambodia for another (45 days visa exemption (Oct 1) + 30 days extension) + another one day border run Cambodia (45 days visa exemption + 30 days extension) = 240 days.

So 240 days total to fuck 300+ different girls. Will Thailand allow this for an 8 month stay? It's only 3 official entry stamps (1 tourist visa + 2 being land border) in one calendar year.[/QUOTE]Border runs via land crossings may not give you 45 additional days. Flying into BKK from a nearby country.

May be the way to do what you want. Check on how long an entry visa you will get when entering Thailand by land.

[QUOTE=Allover;2736591]Border runs via land crossings may not give you 45 additional days. Flying into BKK from a nearby country.

May be the way to do what you want. Check on how long an entry visa you will get when entering Thailand by land.[/QUOTE]I am going from this below quote. Visa exemption by land is currently 30 days. But the word is on October 1, all visa exemptions will be changed to 45 days. I didn't read anything that would exclude land crossings.

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;2734792]No, by land it has also been 30 days for a few decades, except for a brief interval when they had it at 15, but quickly reverted back.

The 15 days refer to Visa On Arrival, which applies to the Chinese, Indians and a few other nationalities. Not to be confused with the visa-exempt 30 day stamp.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=ElMexicant;2736477]Plan on entering with (60 days tourist visa at BKK + 30 extension) + one day border run to Cambodia for another (45 days visa exemption (Oct 1) + 30 days extension) + another one day border run Cambodia (45 days visa exemption + 30 days extension) = 240 days.
...Will Thailand allow this for an 8 month stay? It's only 3 official entry stamps (1 tourist visa + 2 being land border) in one calendar year.[/QUOTE]Be aware of the little known regulation of maximum 180 days of tourist visa within a rolling 12 months interval. Basically, you can't stay more than 6 months per year with tourist visa, so get other types, such as business, work, investment, education, volunteer, religion, marriage, family, retirement, or elite.

Now, you can try your luck and hope that the inbound Immigration Officers don't examine your entry and exit stamps carefully and calculate the total stays. Nowadays with computerized recording, there may be an internal algorithm for automated flagging. There is a possibility that they may not count the first 60-days, if applied outside of Thailand and paid for, unlike the visa free ones.

On your estimated itinerary, there will be 6 stamps: 1 initial tourist visa, 2 visa exemptions, and 3 extension of stays. By the way, are you counting the costs associated with acquiring the extensions, I. E. Taxi / skytrain to Bangkok Immigration Bureau and 2000 BT fee per extension? (And, yes, self acquisition at Chang Watthana is cheaper and easier with online appointment than visa service agencies and without having to give up your passport to local agents). Before Covid pandemic, I'd just hop around Southeast Asia with standard 30-day visa exemption stamp and not bother with extension of stays. YMMV.

Seeko.

[QUOTE=Seeko;2736796]Be aware of the little known regulation of maximum 180 days of tourist visa within a rolling 12 months interval. Basically, you can't stay more than 6 months per year with tourist visa, so get other types, such as business, work, investment, education, volunteer, religion, marriage, family, retirement, or elite.

Now, you can try your luck and hope that the inbound Immigration Officers don't examine your entry and exit stamps carefully and calculate the total stays. Nowadays with computerized recording, there may be an internal algorithm for automated flagging. There is a possibility that they may not count the first 60-days, if applied outside of Thailand and paid for, unlike the visa free ones.

On your estimated itinerary, there will be 6 stamps: 1 initial tourist visa, 2 visa exemptions, and 3 extension of stays. By the way, are you counting the costs associated with acquiring the extensions, I. E. Taxi / skytrain to Bangkok Immigration Bureau and 2000 BT fee per extension? (And, yes, self acquisition at Chang Watthana is cheaper and easier with online appointment than visa service agencies and without having to give up your passport to local agents). Before Covid pandemic, I'd just hop around Southeast Asia with standard 30-day visa exemption stamp and not bother with extension of stays. YMMV..[/QUOTE]Interesting. But I am going by this. They only mention a limit of 2 land entry per calendar year. By air its unlimited. If using border run agents, those are about 2000-2500 including your visa for Cambodia and your visa exemption entry stamp back into Thailand. Those are done by "greasing" the officers. The 90 days max per 6 months has been thrown out supposedly.

[URL]https://www.thaiembassy.com/thailand-visa/thailand-visa-latest-update[/URL]

[QUOTE=Seeko;2736796]Be aware of the little known regulation of maximum 180 days of tourist visa within a rolling 12 months interval. Basically, you can't stay more than 6 months per year with tourist visa, so get other types, such as business, work, investment, education, volunteer, religion, marriage, family, retirement, or elite.
[/QUOTE]There is no official maximum amount of days per year a tourist can stay in Thailand on a tourist visa as stated under the immigration act.

What you refer to above was certain offices like Bangkok and Phuket were denying entry to some people that were staying a lot of time in Thailand on tourist visas. The risk of being denied entry kicked in when someone stayed more that 18 months over a 2 year period.

This was happening from say 2015 to when covid started. Interestingly it was only certain entry points that were doing this. There were zero reports of Chiang Mai denying anyone entry no matter how long they had stayed in Thailand on tourist visas.

When someone was denied entry the passport was stamped "does not have the ability to stay in Thailand". The exact meaning was never explained by Immigration officials however it was often translated 1 of 2 ways 1) The person entering does not have means to stay in thailand 2) The person does not have the appropriate visa to stay in Thailand.

What will happen now is unclear. There are still a number of people that have stayed throughout the pandemic on covid extensions. They entered on a tourist visa and just kept extending it for years. Covid extensions are schedulaed to end in the next few months.

It should also be noted that many people confuse Tourist Visas with Visas on Arrivals and Visa Exemptions on arrivals. They are all different and affect how and how long you can ultimately stay in Thailand.

[QUOTE=Seeko;2736796]Be aware of the little known regulation of maximum 180 days of tourist visa within a rolling 12 months interval. Basically, you can't stay more than 6 months per year with tourist visa, so get other types, such as business, work, investment, education, volunteer, religion, marriage, family, retirement, or elite.
[/QUOTE]This is factually incorrect. It is not stated anywhere within the Immigration Act.

[QUOTE=Seeko;2736796]Be aware of the little known regulation of maximum 180 days of tourist visa within a rolling 12 months interval. Basically, you can't stay more than 6 months per year with tourist visa, [/QUOTE]Very little known since folks were staying in Thailand for years on tourist visas and making visa runs every so often. So widely done that they even built businesses around the visa runs.

[QUOTE=Seeko;2736796]Be aware of the little known regulation of maximum 180 days of tourist visa within a rolling 12 months interval.[/QUOTE]No such regulation. It's not little-known, but non-existent.

Some people online have hypothesized about this being a guideline. However, there is no such law, rule or advisory guideline for immigration officers. You might have a problem at 4 months, or you might not have it at 8 months. There's no clear rule.

All we know is that with too many tourist visas (or visa-free entries), you'll eventually be denied entry.

Educated guesses as to roughly what the cutoff is can be useful, but stating that it's an actual rule is misleading and harmful.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2736895]Very little known since folks were staying in Thailand for years on tourist visas and making visa runs every so often. So widely done that they even built businesses around the visa runs.[/QUOTE]The Visa Run businesses were mainly setup for those working in Thailand on one year Non-be visas for smaller capital companies.

On those visas they had to leave country every 90 days and get stamped back in.

Think of chefs, scuba diving instructors, other small businesses (budget hotels) that set up their own low capital shelf companies with accountants.

I am coming down to Bkk for the first time. Would be coming in with my elderly parents who want to tour the islands and I would be spending some time in BKK for about 4-5 days. Total trip duration is 20+ days. Would appreciate a little help in knowing about the currency exchange process. Also what places would be good to visit during this time, especially for healthy elderly parents who are pretty fit and love sight seeing. Also me and my brother both in 40's would like to spend some time during nights visiting bars and having fun in general. Any pointers for first time travelers would be appreciated. Thanks.

[QUOTE=BackStreetBozo;2738567]I am coming down to Bkk for the first time. Would be coming in with my elderly parents who want to tour the islands and I would be spending some time in BKK for about 4-5 days. Total trip duration is 20+ days. Would appreciate a little help in knowing about the currency exchange process. Also what places would be good to visit during this time, especially for healthy elderly parents who are pretty fit and love sight seeing. Also me and my brother both in 40's would like to spend some time during nights visiting bars and having fun in general. Any pointers for first time travelers would be appreciated. Thanks.[/QUOTE]Sounds like you want others to plan your trip for you. Perhaps you should hire a[blue][Deleted by Admin][/blue] travel agent.

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[QUOTE=BackStreetBozo;2738567] me and my brother both in 40's would like to spend some time during nights visiting bars and having fun in general. Any pointers [/QUOTE]I can't answer any of your first questions since I have not done any tourist activities in Bangkok other than night markets and shopping malls. This may not be the best forum to ask for that stuff anyways since this is a sex board. Many travel boards out there for these answers.

As for night life it all depends on your budget but you can use the search function in the Bangkok Reports thread for Soi Cowboy, Nana Plaza, Patpong, Thermae, Thaniya Road, and review the massage threads. Your stay is very short so no need to look further than this.

I met a guy who started his own business along with a buddy. Buddy did all of the paperwork, they rented an office and bought office equipment and will hire the needed amount of Thais to work in their company. That does absolutely nothing except give them a visa to live in Thailand. He said it was cheaper than the golden visas in the long run.

You don't say from where you are comin g down.

1. Currency: easy to change at airport and booths all over the place, best done in modest enough amounts for safety.

2. Location: Probably Sukhumvit given your parents' age. Good shopping in the malls of European and Japanese brands.

3. Bangkok has places like the great temple etc, easy to get to by taxi, which is better than public transport with aged parents. Trips to eg the river Kwai (boring) easy to get with travel agents all over the place and brochures at hotel front desks etc (+ commission).

4. Massages: Check with front desk you are not sending your mother for a rub and tug.

5. Check out this new thing called the Internet [URL]https://www.bing.com/search?q=bangkok[/URL]+best+attracrtions&cvid=06 ba35 a0 a4 dd45848 e0 b8 a0694 c5 a0 ce&aqs=edge. 69 i57.5615 j0 j1&pglt=43&FORM=ANSPA1&PC=U531.

6. Basics are land, immigration, get to hotel, have a plan.

[QUOTE=BackStreetBozo;2738567]I am coming down to Bkk for the first time. Would be coming in with my elderly parents who want to tour the islands and I would be spending some time in BKK for about 4-5 days. Total trip duration is 20+ days. Would appreciate a little help in knowing about the currency exchange process. Also what places would be good to visit during this time, especially for healthy elderly parents who are pretty fit and love sight seeing. Also me and my brother both in 40's would like to spend some time during nights visiting bars and having fun in general. Any pointers for first time travelers would be appreciated. Thanks.[/QUOTE]

Is the 45 day Visa Exemption (up from 30 days) official yet?

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2738895]Is the 45 day Visa Exemption (up from 30 days) official yet?[/QUOTE]I have the same question. The only thing I can add is that as of 10 hours ago the Thailand E-Visa webpage still says a visa is required for stays longer that 30 days.

My flight schedule has me in Thailand for 44 days. I’ll likely get the E-Visa because that extends me to 60 days, just in case I decide to stay longer. In February the E-Visa cost 40 USD. The February E-Visa headache was the requirement for detailed travel information that was not required for pre-COVID visas. My travel plans are to travel wherever I want at that moment, no fixed plans.

One thing I want to add is how Thailand counts days. They do not count 24-hour days, they count calendar days. For example, if you arrive at 23:00 on Thursday and depart at 01:00 on Friday, Thailand counts those 2 hours as 2 days.

[QUOTE=HorseTrader;2738917]I have the same question. The only thing I can add is that as of 10 hours ago the Thailand E-Visa webpage still says a visa is required for stays longer that 30 days.

My flight schedule has me in Thailand for 44 days. Ill likely get the E-Visa because that extends me to 60 days, just in case I decide to stay longer. In February the E-Visa cost 40 USD. The February E-Visa headache was the requirement for detailed travel information that was not required for pre-COVID visas. My travel plans are to travel wherever I want at that moment, no fixed plans.

One thing I want to add is how Thailand counts days. They do not count 24-hour days, they count calendar days. For example, if you arrive at 23:00 on Thursday and depart at 01:00 on Friday, Thailand counts those 2 hours as 2 days.[/QUOTE]As far as I know, the 45-day exemption comes into effect on October 1. I would assume that if you enter Thailand before that date it may not take effect (I could be wrong though). If you land on October 1st or later, you are good for 45 days though.

[QUOTE=HorseTrader;2738917]One thing I want to add is how Thailand counts days. They do not count 24-hour days, they count calendar days. For example, if you arrive at 23:00 on Thursday and depart at 01:00 on Friday, Thailand counts those 2 hours as 2 days.[/QUOTE]Another way to think of it is that the day you land counts as day ONE, not day ZERO. Even if you don't get through immigration until 11:45 pm, that still counts as day ONE.

This caught me out once and I went one day over the 30 days allowed for visa-exempt visitors. I hired one of those "premium services" to "escort" me through immigration. I also paid for a "porter" to handle my luggage. When I reached immigration my guide (who was an attractive young woman in a sharp uniform) explained to the agent that I had miscounted the days. I stood off to the side looking chagrined with my head down. After about 90 seconds, the agent said go ahead. No fine. No fuss. I noticed that under the exit stamp in my passport he'd handwritten my outgoing flight information.

You can use this to your advantage by carefully scheduling your flights. I like to arrive around dawn, which means my first day is about 18 hours long. On my way home I schedule a flight for just after midnight on the THIRTY-FIRST day. So long as I clear outbound immigration before midnight, they don't care that it's another two or three hours before my flight actually takes off.

QUESTION FOR THE EXPERTS: Suppose my flight touches down at 9:00 p.m. Is it possible to delay going to immigration until just after midnight, thereby "gaining" a day? If so, what's a good place to kill time? Or are the authorities wise to this and therefore on the lookout for people hanging around the arrival gates?

[QUOTE=Bunky;2739330]Suppose my flight touches down at 9:00 p.m. Is it possible to delay going to immigration until just after midnight, thereby "gaining" a day? If so, what's a good place to kill time? Or are the authorities wise to this and therefore on the lookout for people hanging around the arrival gates?[/QUOTE]Why not just go to immigration and get an extension instead of purposely wasting 3 hours of your life doing nothing in order to gain a few extra hours? Is there a reason you are timing your trips for exactly the given 30 days?

[QUOTE=Bunky;2739330]Another way to think of it is that the day you land counts as day ONE, not day ZERO. Even if you don't get through immigration until 11:45 pm, that still counts as day ONE.

QUESTION FOR THE EXPERTS: Suppose my flight touches down at 9:00 p.m. Is it possible to delay going to immigration until just after midnight, thereby "gaining" a day? If so, what's a good place to kill time? Or are the authorities wise to this and therefore on the lookout for people hanging around the arrival gates?[/QUOTE]I touched on this subject last week:

[QUOTE=Sunlover2;2735920]In my case: the hotel I stay at in Bangkok offers a 10% discount for 15+ day stays, and a 20% discount for 30+ day stays. I used to have to get creative with my entries and departures to achieve the 30 day mark. No longer the case it seems because I would certainly take advantage of the longer stay opportunity.
SL.[/QUOTE]IMO it depends on how much of a stickler the immigration officer is. On the immigration form you had to fill out and present upon arrival at BKK one of the fields was 'Vessel Number' and I assume they have your flight information in their system already. Being TIT the only consistency is inconsistency. I avoided the issue by booking a flight with a scheduled arrival after midnight.

To my knowledge there is really no place to hang out on the arrivals level now that the smoking rooms are closed (LOL) but you *might* be able to talk your way to the departure level under the guise of visiting an airline club to freshen up. I have read pre-CoVid reports of passengers traveling on premium tickets being able to accomplish that. Works best with carry-on bags though, because if you don't collect your checked luggage timely there is additional potential for mayhem.

But at that point you are stringing 'maybe's' together so realistically it makes the most sense to plan to arrive after midnight if possible.

SL.

Thanks to Mr. Sunlover for his helpful analysis. I had not considered the checked baggage issue he spotted, and I agree with him that letting your bags go unchecked for several hours is asking for trouble. The airlines are supposed to collect unclaimed bags and store them. But you never know if they'll be diligent about that -- especially when they are so short of staff. It also seems to me that having an unclaimed bag going round and round on the carousel all by itself would tempt the larcenous. I also think Mr. Sunlover is wise to speculate that when you present yourself to the immigration officer he probably knows what flight you were on, and if you've delayed submitting for inspection he might get suspicious.

So thanks again to Mr. Sunlover for weighing in. I really appreciate it.

Bunky

This is a new one for me: an older bargirl brought her son to Pattaya to take him to her favorite bars. So, he could hook up with a bargirl and make some money. Presumably his mom knows which bargirls have big money and long for a young Thai man.

[QUOTE=Bunky;2739330]QUESTION FOR THE EXPERTS: Suppose my flight touches down at 9:00 p.m. Is it possible to delay going to immigration until just after midnight, thereby "gaining" a day? If so, what's a good place to kill time? Or are the authorities wise to this and therefore on the lookout for people hanging around the arrival gates?[/QUOTE]In theory, that would probably work, if you can waste so much time in arrivals.

Note that arrivals are basically a long funnel towards immigration. No shops, no ATMs, nothing, just a long corridor and occasional toilets. You might indeed draw some attention and be questioned.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2739344]Why not just go to immigration and get an extension instead of purposely wasting 3 hours of your life doing nothing in order to gain a few extra hours? Is there a reason you are timing your trips for exactly the given 30 days?[/QUOTE]This might help:

Starting October 1, 2022, Thailand CCSA has announced that the Visa Exemption stay period will be extended from 30 days to 45 days. This change is currently in effect until 31st March 2023. [URL]https://www.nationthailand.com/in-focus/national/40019124[/URL].

I have arrived at BKK at 23.30 and walked very slowly to Immigration to get stamped in after midnight.

But, you don't want to leave your suitcase on the carousel very long.

[QUOTE=Downandup;2740197]This might help:

Starting October 1, 2022, Thailand CCSA has announced that the Visa Exemption stay period will be extended from 30 days to 45 days. This change is currently in effect until 31st March 2023. [URL]https://www.nationthailand.com/in-focus/national/40019124[/URL].[/QUOTE]That link was published on August 22, it was just a proposal and nothing official: "The move proposed by the Tourism and Sports Ministry aims to. ".

Until it is official, those of us who want to stay in LOS longer then the standard 15 or 30 days should be prepared to get an E-Visa prior to travel.

Hi all, heading off to LOS for the first time in 3 years next month. Just booked.

I am thinking of getting out of Pattaya for a few days to a week, to go to Issan somewhere.

For a mix of mongering nightlife and just in general, which city is worth going to?

Khon Khaen? Surat Thani? Or somewhere else?

[QUOTE=Lanthano;2740901]Hi all, heading off to LOS for the first time in 3 years next month. Just booked.

I am thinking of getting out of Pattaya for a few days to a week, to go to Issan somewhere.

For a mix of mongering nightlife and just in general, which city is worth going to?

Khon Khaen? Surat Thani? Or somewhere else?[/QUOTE]I'm going to piggy back onto your post. I'll be headed there in a month and wanted to check out something new. Done bkk, patts, Phuket, chiang Mai, koh samet and koh samui. Anything else that is interesting that I should hit up?

[QUOTE=HorseTrader;2740399]That link was published on August 22, it was just a proposal and nothing official: "The move proposed by the Tourism and Sports Ministry aims to. ".

Until it is official, those of us who want to stay in LOS longer then the standard 15 or 30 days should be prepared to get an E-Visa prior to travel.[/QUOTE]That link is one of many. You have to wait until the change is published in the Royal Gazette and that often seems to happen only a few days before it becomes effective which also means that it could not happen.

Observations about Thai ladies:

Ladies over 30 will go to the toilet in front of me. I don't know why.

Ladies over 30 will walk around the room naked. Not so much for ladies over 40.

Most ladies want you to cum as soon as possible. Likewise, most ladies will try to get you to cum without intercourse. The big win is if you cum while they are putting on the condom, they will tell their friends about that.

If a lady taps you repeatedly, that means she doesn't want to fuck. Don't ask me why.

Many ladies have digestive problems. When they wake up in the morning, they go back and forth to the toilet for the first few hours.

Ladies generally have more customers and money than they will admit. I have seen ladies complain on Facebook about not being laid for a long time, an hour after going with me. Likewise, I have had ladies plead poverty just before going home to their village, and then staying in their village for several weeks.

A new scam: the "send me 100 baht" message. A lady will accumulate a few thousand Facebook friends, and then send them all the same message asking for 100 baht. Anyone who responds gets put on the "send me 500 baht" list.

Ladies don't know how to replace toilet paper on the roll. Never seen one do it.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2744715]Observations about Thai ladies:

Ladies over 30 will go to the toilet in front of me. I don't know why.

[B]I love this about Thai girls. I also love hearing/seeing them wash themselves with the hose thing. Even mid20s girls will piss in front of me. We should all embrace this![/B]

Ladies over 30 will walk around the room naked. Not so much for ladies over 40.

[B] I’ve never and never will be with a lady over 40 ;-) [/B]

Most ladies want you to cum as soon as possible.

[B] I’ve had a few like this. Really pisses me off which inspires me to jackhammer them for another hour. [/B]

Likewise, most ladies will try to get you to cum without intercourse. The big win is if you cum while they are putting on the condom, they will tell their friends about that..[/QUOTE]Please see my responses in BOLD above.

With the 45 day Visa Exemption finally official what exactly is the process? I have never entered Thailand with no Visa in hand before.

What do I need to show?

Passport.
Hotel accommodation for 1 night sufficient?
Flight out of Thailand within 45 days.

Anything else?

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2744715]Observations about Thai ladies:

Ladies don't know how to replace toilet paper on the roll. Never seen one do it.[/QUOTE]Are you watching when the ladies are doing their business? Or else are you a toilet expert? LOL.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2746036]With the 45 day Visa Exemption finally official what exactly is the process? I have never entered Thailand with no Visa in hand before.

What do I need to show?

Passport.
Hotel accommodation for 1 night sufficient?
Flight out of Thailand within 45 days.

Anything else?[/QUOTE]I think that's it. Basically it's the same as it used to be before covid, I expect that on arrival one of those entry cards will need to be filled out with those details.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2746036]With the 45 day Visa Exemption finally official what exactly is the process? I have never entered Thailand with no Visa in hand before.

What do I need to show?

Passport.
Hotel accommodation for 1 night sufficient?
Flight out of Thailand within 45 days.

Anything else?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Downandup;2746099]I think that's it. Basically it's the same as it used to be before covid, I expect that on arrival one of those entry cards will need to be filled out with those details.[/QUOTE]All you need is your passport and your boarding pass. Nothing to fill out. Less information required than pre-Covid.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2746036]With the 45 day Visa Exemption finally official what exactly is the process? I have never entered Thailand with no Visa in hand before.

What do I need to show?

Passport.
Hotel accommodationist vacc for 1 night sufficient?
Flight out of Thailand within 45 days.

Anything else?[/QUOTE]Same as before but the stamp in your passport will be valid 45 days. No need of hotel booking.

Covid vaccination certificate at departure check in.

They might ask you where you go in Thailand and how long you stay. Mere formality.

No more immigration card / form to be filled.

I am on travel for 10 days away from Thailand, and I get requests from ladies on Messenger to chat. You never want to talk to ladies on social media unless it's about logistics (what time you will meet, should they bring a friend, etc). Thai ladies will talk about nothing for a few minutes, and then switch to talking about their poverty. Their mother is sick, their moto is broken, you know the drill.

I try to cut them off as quickly as possible.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2746823]You never want to talk to ladies on social media unless it's about logistics (what time you will meet, should they bring a friend, etc). Thai ladies will talk about nothing for a few minutes, and then switch to talking about their poverty. Their mother is sick, their moto is broken, you know the drill.[/QUOTE]I must be doing something right. I never get chicks trying to tell me their problems. All they want from me is to know when I am coming.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2746871]I must be doing something right. I never get chicks trying to tell me their problems. All they want from me is to know when I am coming.[/QUOTE]If you just talk with them about logistics, you are okay. It's when they want to engage in idle chat that they maneuver towards poverty stories. I had a lady for an all nighter a couple of weeks ago who gave me plenty of poverty stories. The next day, she went home to her village for two weeks, ie had no earnings for 2 weeks, no problem.

I suspect that there are a lot more loons out there sending cash to ladies than I know about.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2746823]I am on travel for 10 days away from Thailand, and I get requests from ladies on Messenger to chat. You never want to talk to ladies on social media unless it's about logistics (what time you will meet, should they bring a friend, etc). Thai ladies will talk about nothing for a few minutes, and then switch to talking about their poverty. Their mother is sick, their moto is broken, you know the drill.

I try to cut them off as quickly as possible.[/QUOTE]Yeah 100%. Just end it. I still think its rough that guys get sucked into the thai working girls acting like they care and want to talk to the farang and don't just see them as a mark to get their money. Heads up guys, she doesn't care about you she wants your money and an AC room for the night.

Thai GF. My rule of thumb is if she's not living with you permanently she isn't your GF.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2746922]Thai GF. My rule of thumb is if she's not living with you permanently she isn't your GF.[/QUOTE]If you are giving her money, she's not your GF.

She gives her money to her boyfriend.

[QUOTE=GrapeMan;2746901]Heads up guys, she doesn't care about you she wants your money and an AC room for the night.[/QUOTE]This is probably why about 50% of my late night ST girls want to turn the session into LT without mention of extra money. I've seen a couple of bar girls' rooms in Samui, they were real shit holes with just blankets and pillows on the floor for sleeping. Staying LT offers AC, nice bed, nice bathroom, toiletries, shower, and breakfast.

Been checking prices to bkk for last few weeks and prices just keeps slowly going up. Should I just buy tix now? Not likely price coming back down? About 1400 for me ATM.

[QUOTE=Lcale1982;2747169]Been checking prices to bkk for last few weeks and prices just keeps slowly going up. Should I just buy tix now? Not likely price coming back down? About 1400 for me ATM.[/QUOTE]Murphy"s Law #6. If you buy your tickets now the price will drop tomorrow, if you wait the price will continue to increase. My advice would be to buy tickets that are fully refundable and if the ticket price drops you can get a refund and rebuy at the lower price. Second option is buy your ticket and never ever look at the price of tickets again, until you are ready to make your next trip.

[QUOTE=Lcale1982;2747169]Been checking prices to bkk for last few weeks and prices just keeps slowly going up. Should I just buy tix now? Not likely price coming back down? About 1400 for me ATM.[/QUOTE]Best is to check on [URL]kiwi.com[/URL] with flexible DATES. It can save you a lof of money if you fly a day earlier and / or leave a day later / sooner. Flexibility is key these days.

[QUOTE=GrapeMan;2746901]Yeah 100%. Just end it. I still think its rough that guys get sucked into the thai working girls acting like they care and want to talk to the farang and don't just see them as a mark to get their money. Heads up guys, she doesn't care about you she wants your money and an AC room for the night.[/QUOTE]A Thai lady just reminded me that not all extended conversations on social media end up with poverty stories.

Her third sentence was about her sick mother.

Nobody has commented that the Thai baht has dropped below 37 to the dollar.

That means that a standard Short Time is going to set you back $26.

Does fiwfan not have a selection for Pattaya? I used the chrome translation but don't see a province selection for Pattaya. Thanks.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2747691]Nobody has commented that the Thai baht has dropped below 37 to the dollar.
That means that a standard Short Time is going to set you back $26.[/QUOTE]That is still much better than it was in 2019, right before Covid. The Baht was 33 to the euro back then. Don't know what is was to the dollar, but it was much lower than 37.

[QUOTE=Mogwai;2751700]That is still much better than it was in 2019, right before Covid. The Baht was 33 to the euro back then. Don't know what is was to the dollar, but it was much lower than 37.[/QUOTE]The baht dropped below 30 to the dollar just before Covid. That was painful.

[QUOTE=Lcale1982;2750034]Does fiwfan not have a selection for Pattaya? I used the chrome translation but don't see a province selection for Pattaya. Thanks.[/QUOTE]You have to put Chomburi and come out some girls from Pattaya.

Just curious, but I have another "conference" coming up next year but now I'm relatively newly wed. (no judgements on this posts please). So here is my question:

Does anyone have experience using a VPN to mask location? I have NordVPN on my phone and I think I could log into a US server, but would it show my location as the city of the server? Does anyone here have experience "going on a business trip" but actually skipping over to Thailand for a week or so? Are you successful at concealing your location or any serious questions?

I already have pictures at a local conference event planned right before my trip that I will use as "cover" for me. I'm just going to pack the same clothes that I have in the pictures I will take. I've done similar before but never overseas.

Does anyone have luck with it? Or is there a high level senior member that hears about guys trying it all the time and always failing?

I have android, my wife has iphone so I don't have to worry about the iphone location sharing stuff. I don't use snapchat or instagram. We mostly use facebook messenger to talk because that's what we used when we were dating, but if she "insists" I use some location so she can just see where I am, I don't want to outright refuse. Just trying to cover all the bases I can.

PM me if you want to join in.

[QUOTE=KyCuriosity;2757611]Just curious, but I have another "conference" coming up next year but now I'm relatively newly wed. (no judgements on this posts please). So here is my question:

Does anyone have experience using a VPN to mask location? I have NordVPN on my phone and I think I could log into a US server, but would it show my location as the city of the server? Does anyone here have experience "going on a business trip" but actually skipping over to Thailand for a week or so? Are you successful at concealing your location or any serious questions?
[/QUOTE]There is already a high level of thought gone in to this judging from the above. If you google how to fake / spoof your GPS location you will find various apps that can help trick your phone. I have used some to change my location when using skout / Tinder. I'd do some research download one or two and try a few dummy runs before you leave home. When abroad I'd leave my 'Normal' phone in the safe in the hotel with spoof GPS and buy a cheap burner and sim for all local comms.

Also don't forget to use android / google settings to turn off location access for absolutely everything (or completely) except the apps you choose.

[QUOTE=Mackapaka;2758816]There is already a high level of thought gone in to this judging from the above. If you google how to fake / spoof your GPS location you will find various apps that can help trick your phone. I have used some to change my location when using skout / Tinder. I'd do some research download one or two and try a few dummy runs before you leave home. When abroad I'd leave my 'Normal' phone in the safe in the hotel with spoof GPS and buy a cheap burner and sim for all local comms.

Also don't forget to use android / google settings to turn off location access for absolutely everything (or completely) except the apps you choose.[/QUOTE]Interested in your approach. I am going for a REAL CONFERENCE in March 2023 at BKK. I want to use my I phone 13 for reaching out to escorts / freelancers and sideline girls. I am there for 5 days. Do I need a another phone for 5 days OR can I put a second SIM in I-Phone 13?. Thanks.

Never used Thai Friendly but I know others on here have. A couple of weeks ago I was sitting in a bar in Hua Hin and was talking to a lady who uses Thai Friendly. It was hilarious as she showed me on her phone some of the profiles guys put up, and then told stories of some of the losers she has had dealings with. She is not a freelancer but is looking for a sugar daddy.

[QUOTE=Jayagopal50;2758913]Interested in your approach. I am going for a REAL CONFERENCE in March 2023 at BKK. I want to use my I phone 13 for reaching out to escorts / freelancers and sideline girls. I am there for 5 days. Do I need a another phone for 5 days OR can I put a second SIM in I-Phone 13?. Thanks.[/QUOTE]I always use a second local SIM when I'm in Thailand. No problem at all. I have an Android phone, but I don't think that makes any difference.

[QUOTE=Jayagopal50;2758913]Interested in your approach. I am going for a REAL CONFERENCE in March 2023 at BKK. I want to use my I phone 13 for reaching out to escorts / freelancers and sideline girls. I am there for 5 days. Do I need a another phone for 5 days OR can I put a second SIM in I-Phone 13?. Thanks.[/QUOTE]Your iPhone 13 has one eSIM and one slot for a Physical SIM. If your current line isn't on your eSIM have it switched by your provider before you go then once you arrive in Thailand you can buy a local SIM for the physical slot and have both lines active at once, switching out the physical SIM when in different countries, etc.

Full lunar eclipse in Thailand.

Pattaya.

Bolt. This has been my main source of transportation since I have arrived to Thailand. A short ride from say LK Metro to Kinnaree will run 50-60 baht. A longer run from Terminal 21 to Jomtien will cost 80-100 baht, depending on the negligible price surge. Average wait time is around 1-6 minutes. Add a few minutes to your wait time from what you see in the Bolt app. Lots of drivers haven't seemed to figure out what the blue location dot on their map means. If you hire a cheaper male driver almost always expect a call from a male driver who does not speak English trying to get you to walk somewhere so he doesn't have to drive as far to get to you. That is one of the reasons I usually always try getting the more expensive lady drivers. If nothing else they speak English. Do expect the lady drivers to have much smaller cars though so don't request one if you have luggage. Men usually drive Hilux and Fortuner so just request Economy and not Comfort or Luxury and you will likely get to sit in a truck. If your luck is bad you will get a normal taxi with a low class taxi driver! Comfort and Luxury are around double the price. Bolt is the way to go in Pattaya especially if you don't want to arrive at a club sticky and sweaty.

Grab. I gave up using Grab after the first few days. Not once was a normal Grab Car even cheaper than a Luxury Bolt vehicle. If I am doing something wrong with Grab let me know.

Regular taxi. So happy I didn't have to deal with these idiots this trip.

Baht bus. Took a handful of times usually along Soi Buakhao heading to Walking Street or Central. The majority of men do not wear masks and yes there are a ton of people coughing these days in Pattaya, including myself. Most women continue wearing masks. Still great value at only 10 baht but there are places like Kinnaree or some of the outer G clubs where it makes no sense to take a baht bus over a Bolt these days.

Bangkok. Only spent 5 days here over the past 4+ weeks so my experience is limited.

Bolt. Either there is extremely high demand or very few Bolt drivers in the BKK Sukhumvit area. Wait time is usually 10 minutes to infinity. Prices the same as Pattaya. In order to take Bolt I always paid double for the Luxury or Comfort vehicles rather than wait.

Grab. See Pattaya above. Limited availability like Bolt too.

Regular taxis. Tried 3 times when we couldn't find a Bolt. Not once would a taxi turn on their meter. Wasn't there a recent law saying drivers would be penalized harshly for not using meters?

BTS / MRT. This really is the way to get around BKK. Most things are within walking distance or a short Bolt ride from BTS.

Tuk tuk. Since I had a visitor with me in BKK she wanted to use a tuk tuk. For fun I would let her try negotiating a price. She was always quoted 200 baht no matter how short the travel distance was. I would grab her and start walking away. Then I would hear the driver yelling 150. As we kept walking we heard a 100. Normally I would still negotiate more but she wanted to shoot YouTube videos of her riding in a tuk tuk we agreed to 100. Apologies for overpaying guys.

All in all Bolt is a Godsend. Finally Thailand has a very cheap means of comfortable transportation like Grab in other SEA countries.

Hope that is helpful for those coming to Thailand over the next couple of months.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2759782]Pattaya.

Bolt. This has been my main source of transportation since I have arrived to Thailand. A short ride from say LK Metro to Kinnaree will run 50-60 baht. A longer run from Terminal 21 to Jomtien will cost 80-100 baht, depending on the negligible price surge. Average wait time is around 1-6 minutes. Add a few minutes to your wait time from what you see in the Bolt app. Lots of drivers haven't seemed to figure out what the blue location dot on their map means. If you hire a cheaper male driver almost always expect a call from a male driver who does not speak English trying to get you to walk somewhere so he doesn't have to drive as far to get to you. That is one of the reasons I usually always try getting the more expensive lady drivers. If nothing else they speak English. Do expect the lady drivers to have much smaller cars though so don't request one if you have luggage. Men usually drive Hilux and Fortuner so just request Economy and not Comfort or Luxury and you will likely get to sit in a truck. If your luck is bad you will get a normal taxi with a low class taxi driver! Comfort and Luxury are around double the price. Bolt is the way to go in Pattaya especially if you don't want to arrive at a club sticky and sweaty.

Grab. I gave up using Grab after the first few days. Not once was a normal Grab Car even cheaper than a Luxury Bolt vehicle. If I am doing something wrong with Grab let me know..[/QUOTE]InDriver app is the best to use in Phuket.

It also says InDriver is available in Pattaya and Bangkok.

But I've never tried it there.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2759782]Pattaya.

Bolt. This has been my main source of transportation since I have arrived to Thailand. A short ride from say LK Metro to Kinnaree will run 50-60 baht. A longer run from Terminal 21 to Jomtien will cost 80-100 baht, depending on the negligible price surge. Average wait time is around 1-6 minutes. Add a few minutes to your wait time from what you see in the Bolt app. Lots of drivers haven't seemed to figure out what the blue location dot on their map means. If you hire a cheaper male driver almost always expect a call from a male driver who does not speak English trying to get you to walk somewhere so he doesn't have to drive as far to get to you. That is one of the reasons I usually always try getting the more expensive lady drivers. If nothing else they speak English. Do expect the lady drivers to have much smaller cars though so don't request one if you have luggage. Men usually drive Hilux and Fortuner so just request Economy and not Comfort or Luxury and you will likely get to sit in a truck. If your luck is bad you will get a normal taxi with a low class taxi driver! Comfort and Luxury are around double the price. Bolt is the way to go in Pattaya especially if you don't want to arrive at a club sticky and sweaty.

Grab. I gave up using Grab after the first few days. Not once was a normal Grab Car even cheaper than a Luxury Bolt vehicle. If I am doing something wrong with Grab let me know...[/QUOTE]Bolt is awesome, especially in Pattaya, so convenient with rides always available on a dime.

Baht bus is of course the best value and fun as well.

Bangkok also has MuvMi but I gave up trying pretty quickly when I couldn't figure out how to get from one zone to another. It may work for a short ride from Cowboy to NEP though assuming they are in the same MuvMi zone.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2759782]Pattaya.

Grab. I gave up using Grab after the first few days. Not once was a normal Grab Car even cheaper than a Luxury Bolt vehicle. If I am doing something wrong with Grab let me know.

[/QUOTE]Have you linked a credit card with Grab pay? I have noticed that a friend of mine has difficulty hailing Grab's whilst I can get one within a miniute even when standing right next to him. The only difference is that I've been able to link a credit card and he hasn't.

A lot of the times, drivers don't keep enough cash / change on them, so they might have the option to filter out rides paying in cash.

Only cash for me with Grab in Thailand. Bolt too. I figured this was a Thai thing since Thailand is really still a cash society once you leave the shopping malls.

[QUOTE=Mackapaka;2758816]There is already a high level of thought gone in to this judging from the above. If you google how to fake / spoof your GPS location you will find various apps that can help trick your phone. I have used some to change my location when using skout / Tinder. I'd do some research download one or two and try a few dummy runs before you leave home. When abroad I'd leave my 'Normal' phone in the safe in the hotel with spoof GPS and buy a cheap burner and sim for all local comms.

Also don't forget to use android / google settings to turn off location access for absolutely everything (or completely) except the apps you choose.[/QUOTE]I did download an app literally called "Fake GPS". It was the most popular in the app store with highest ratings. I have been playing around with it. I set it to Pattaya and I searched near by me. It showed me all the people using telegram in pattaya close to my pin drop. It's an easy app to use, but not sure if it's good for snapchat or other apps yet.

Thanks for reaffirming the GPS thing for me. Fairly easy to use so far.

[QUOTE=TheNileRiva;2760176]Have you linked a credit card with Grab pay? I have noticed that a friend of mine has difficulty hailing Grab's whilst I can get one within a miniute even when standing right next to him. The only difference is that I've been able to link a credit card and he hasn't.

A lot of the times, drivers don't keep enough cash / change on them, so they might have the option to filter out rides paying in cash.[/QUOTE]They can all accept payment with a QR code, if your banking app supports payment via QR code.

The issue of Bolt vs Grab is that Bolt rides can take much longer to arrive and be less reliable to actually show up. You'll get canceled on a Bolt a lot or it will take 20 minutes to arrive, but it will often be half or 2/3's the price of a Grab. Grab is much faster and more reliable, you pay for the premium of reliability and time. In BKK a meter taxi going locally will be roughly the same price as a Bolt, assuming a taxi will take you on a meter.

Bolt you also can pay cash or card, Grab is credit card, although I don't really care either way, but some people may.

[QUOTE=GrapeMan;2761427]The issue of Bolt vs Grab is that Bolt rides can take much longer to arrive and be less reliable to actually show up. You'll get canceled on a Bolt a lot or it will take 20 minutes to arrive, but it will often be half or 2/3's the price of a Grab. Grab is much faster and more reliable, you pay for the premium of reliability and time. In BKK a meter taxi going locally will be roughly the same price as a Bolt, assuming a taxi will take you on a meter.

Bolt you also can pay cash or card, Grab is credit card, although I don't really care either way, but some people may.[/QUOTE]This information is valid for Bangkok but totally inaccurate for Pattaya. Since this is a general Thailand thread I think it's important to point out the difference. Bolt is much better and cheaper in Pattaya than Grab but as you stated Grab is much better in Bangkok than Bolt because of the reasons you stated.

Hi gang,

As far as I can tell, Thailand only allows bringing in 30 days worth of prescription medication (in my case, I'm talking about diabetes & heart medicine).

I was hoping to take advantage of the fact that they're handing out 45-day visas now (and this trip I'the part of a longer tour through Asia, so I'm planning on having 60-90 day supply).

I've been doing some research on the subject and I've written to the Embassy asking for guidance, but considering the average age of a lot of travelers to Thailand, I figured that my situation cannot be that unique and was hoping that others would share their experiences with this issue.

I plan on speaking to my doctor next week about providing me a letter that summarizes my ailments and medication list. Any other steps that you all recommend?

Thanks and best regards.

[QUOTE=PublicInterest;2764784]As far as I can tell, Thailand only allows bringing in 30 days worth of prescription medication (in my case, I'm talking about diabetes & heart medicine).

I was hoping to take advantage of the fact that they're handing out 45-day visas now (and this trip I'the part of a longer tour through Asia, so I'm planning on having 60-90 day supply).

I've been doing some research on the subject and I've written to the Embassy asking for guidance, but considering the average age of a lot of travelers to Thailand, I figured that my situation cannot be that unique and was hoping that others would share their experiences with this issue.

I plan on speaking to my doctor next week about providing me a letter that summarizes my ailments and medication list. Any other steps that you all recommend?[/QUOTE]Dude you are wasting your time. Nobody checks that kind of shit. You should probably even buy a lottery ticket if anybody asks you to put your bag through the machine.

[QUOTE=PublicInterest;2764784]Hi gang,

As far as I can tell, Thailand only allows bringing in 30 days worth of prescription medication (in my case, I'm talking about diabetes & heart medicine).

I was hoping to take advantage of the fact that they're handing out 45-day visas now (and this trip I'the part of a longer tour through Asia, so I'm planning on having 60-90 day supply).

I've been doing some research on the subject and I've written to the Embassy asking for guidance, but considering the average age of a lot of travelers to Thailand, I figured that my situation cannot be that unique and was hoping that others would share their experiences with this issue.

I plan on speaking to my doctor next week about providing me a letter that summarizes my ailments and medication list. Any other steps that you all recommend?

Thanks and best regards.[/QUOTE]MY experience: I arrived 3 weeks ago, 90+ day supply of 4 medications, literally a box full. Arrived late night for what that is worth. Going through customs, I used the green line. X-ray is not mandatory. Wasn't stopped, given a cursory glance. Might not be PC, but I think it depends on your color, nationality, and where you're coming from. In numerous trips to Thailand over the years, only been stopped once. I do hold my passport in my hand, clearly visible.

My OPINION: with doctor's letter (I didn't bother) and onward travel proof, you should be OK.

[QUOTE=PublicInterest;2764784]Hi gang,

As far as I can tell, Thailand only allows bringing in 30 days worth of prescription medication (in my case, I'm talking about diabetes & heart medicine).

I was hoping to take advantage of the fact that they're handing out 45-day visas now (and this trip I'the part of a longer tour through Asia, so I'm planning on having 60-90 day supply).

I've been doing some research on the subject and I've written to the Embassy asking for guidance, but considering the average age of a lot of travelers to Thailand, I figured that my situation cannot be that unique and was hoping that others would share their experiences with this issue.[/QUOTE]Don't worry about it.

[QUOTE=PublicInterest;2764784]Hi gang,

As far as I can tell, Thailand only allows bringing in 30 days worth of prescription medication (in my case, I'm talking about diabetes & heart medicine).

I was hoping to take advantage of the fact that they're handing out 45-day visas now (and this trip I'the part of a longer tour through Asia, so I'm planning on having 60-90 day supply).

I've been doing some research on the subject and I've written to the Embassy asking for guidance, but considering the average age of a lot of travelers to Thailand, I figured that my situation cannot be that unique and was hoping that others would share their experiences with this issue.

I plan on speaking to my doctor next week about providing me a letter that summarizes my ailments and medication list. Any other steps that you all recommend?

Thanks and best regards.[/QUOTE]Came through BKK in mid October with my meds in 90 day supply bottles. No body asked or checked anything but my passport. I think a key factor is don't look like a bum.

I tried to get a ride on Bolt tonight in Pattaya and was shocked that prices have tripled. I took the baht bus instead.

[QUOTE=PublicInterest;2764784]Hi gang,

As far as I can tell, Thailand only allows bringing in 30 days worth of prescription medication (in my case, I'm talking about diabetes & heart medicine).

I was hoping to take advantage of the fact that they're handing out 45-day visas now (and this trip I'the part of a longer tour through Asia, so I'm planning on having 60-90 day supply).

I've been doing some research on the subject and I've written to the Embassy asking for guidance, but considering the average age of a lot of travelers to Thailand, I figured that my situation cannot be that unique and was hoping that others would share their experiences with this issue.

I plan on speaking to my doctor next week about providing me a letter that summarizes my ailments and medication list. Any other steps that you all recommend?

Thanks and best regards.[/QUOTE]I arrived with 60 days of my meds, some in the original oversized RX bottles and others repackaged (and hand labeled) to save space. The written prescriptions were also in my bag. When I opened my bags they each contained a security card that said my bag had been inspected. No problem for me, nobody even verbally told me that the inspection took place.

My prescriptions are all oral and topical. I might worry if I had to bring an injectable prescription.

[QUOTE=PublicInterest;2764784]Hi gang,

As far as I can tell, Thailand only allows bringing in 30 days worth of prescription medication (in my case, I'm talking about diabetes & heart medicine).

I was hoping to take advantage of the fact that they're handing out 45-day visas now (and this trip I'the part of a longer tour through Asia, so I'm planning on having 60-90 day supply).

I've been doing some research on the subject and I've written to the Embassy asking for guidance, but considering the average age of a lot of travelers to Thailand, I figured that my situation cannot be that unique and was hoping that others would share their experiences with this issue.

I plan on speaking to my doctor next week about providing me a letter that summarizes my ailments and medication list. Any other steps that you all recommend?

Thanks and best regards.[/QUOTE]Thailand and basically any other country almost never will check and even if they do they won't do anything. Prescription meds are always fine. Have zero concerns, just show up.

[QUOTE=PublicInterest;2764784]As far as I can tell, Thailand only allows bringing in 30 days worth of prescription medication (in my case, I'm talking about diabetes & heart medicine). I was hoping to take advantage of the fact that they're handing out 45-day visas now (and this trip is part of a longer tour through Asia, so I'm planning on having 60-90 day supply).[/QUOTE]As others have noted, it's rare for Thai Customs officers at BKK to search the luggage of incoming passengers. Moreover, anecdotal evidence suggests they are even less inclined to search when the passenger is an older gent who looks "respectable. " (Recognizing of course the prejudices and assumptions built into that adjective.)

It's also important to note the odds are very good that he can purchase whatever meds he needs in Thailand. Most pharmacies, especially those in Bangkok and Pattaya, stock the usual meds that are often prescribed for chronic conditions like diabetes and cardiac conditions. If Mr. Interest is really worried about carrying enough meds to last 60-90 days, he could hedge his bets by packing a 30-day supply and the buying what he needs once he arrives. Depending on the cost of prescription meds and the insurance coverage in his home country, he may even save some money.

Bunky

[QUOTE=Bunky;2765353]As others have noted, it's rare for Thai Customs officers at BKK to search the luggage of incoming passengers. Moreover, anecdotal evidence suggests they are even less inclined to search when the passenger is an older gent who looks "respectable. " (Recognizing of course the prejudices and assumptions built into that adjective.)

It's also important to note the odds are very good that he can purchase whatever meds he needs in Thailand. Most pharmacies, especially those in Bangkok and Pattaya, stock the usual meds that are often prescribed for chronic conditions like diabetes and cardiac conditions. If Mr. Interest is really worried about carrying enough meds to last 60-90 days, he could hedge his bets by packing a 30-day supply and the buying what he needs once he arrives. Depending on the cost of prescription meds and the insurance coverage in his home country, he may even save some money.

Bunky[/QUOTE]They rarely inspect the luggage of older tourists, and don't care about prescription meds.

And you can buy most prescription meds at most larger pharmacies.

[QUOTE=PublicInterest;2764784]Hi gang,

As far as I can tell, Thailand only allows bringing in 30 days worth of prescription medication (in my case, I'm talking about diabetes & heart medicine).

I was hoping to take advantage of the fact that they're handing out 45-day visas now (and this trip I'the part of a longer tour through Asia, so I'm planning on having 60-90 day supply).

I've been doing some research on the subject and I've written to the Embassy asking for guidance, but considering the average age of a lot of travelers to Thailand, I figured that my situation cannot be that unique and was hoping that others would share their experiences with this issue.

I plan on speaking to my doctor next week about providing me a letter that summarizes my ailments and medication list. Any other steps that you all recommend?

Thanks and best regards.[/QUOTE]I just carry my "my Chart" printout of my drugs, and a 90 day supply and never had a hassle. If you are a cardiac patient and are in need, I highly recommend Dr. Jiranut at BNH or Dr. Wascin Buddari. They fixed me up and even my local USA docs said they did a great charge (unlike my Cambodian tooth, which my dentist laughed at).

After an excruciating 22 hour flight I reached BkK and by the time I came I reached hotel near nana, it was 3 am.

Had couple of drinks (that I got from Airport).

Slept till 1:30 pm and headed out at 2:30 pm.

Was a tiring flight and got an amazing aroma Thai Message at Bai Po.

600 TB and she surely removed couple of knots.

Went to Soi Cowboy at 7:30 pm. Probably was too early, chicks were 6-7.

Hit Nana at 10 pm and bar fined a sexy chick from Mandarin Bar around 12 am.

Paid 4. 5 K TB including Bar fine. (Obviously was a rip off as I am an 'Indian' American).

This chick came and we had amazing fun for about 30 minutes. Including RIM, BBBJ, and hell even she was ready to do without cover.

Better sense prevailed and I used see but couldn't finish in her. So finally I asked her to blow me and did CIM.

After this (12:45 am) she complained of headache, and said wanted to sleep. Probably an usual trick of theirs and I let her sleep and even gave her a Tylenol 😂.

She popped it in and probably felt better and said I will go pick up few things from Bar and come back for sure and will stay till 6.

She gave me line ID and left. I was counting on her to come back (rookie mistake).

She later texts me and says mamasan said only 3 hours and that she finished it. What a BS and I fell for it.

Obviously no response after that. Lesson learnt the hard way.

Girl said she was 24. She looked like one. Probably k would rate 7-8.

Fit body but boobs were a little saggy. I could sense baby damage but she had a huge tattoo there.

I met another chick later and she said I just complain to mamasan tomorrow. But not sure if it is a wise idea.

Will call it a day!

[QUOTE=HolsterMike;2765659]After an excruciating 22 hour flight I reached BkK and by the time I came I reached hotel near nana, it was 3 am.

Had couple of drinks (that I got from Airport).

Slept till 1:30 pm and headed out at 2:30 pm.

Was a tiring flight and got an amazing aroma Thai Message at Bai Po.

600 TB and she surely removed couple of knots.

Went to Soi Cowboy at 7:30 pm. Probably was too early, chicks were 6-7.

Hit Nana at 10 pm and bar fined a sexy chick from Mandarin Bar around 12 am.

Paid 4. 5 K TB including Bar fine. (Obviously was a rip off as I am an 'Indian' American).

This chick came and we had amazing fun for about 30 minutes. Including RIM, BBBJ, and hell even she was ready to do without cover.

Better sense prevailed and I used see but couldn't finish in her. So finally I asked her to blow me and did CIM.

After this (12:45 am) she complained of headache, and said wanted to sleep. Probably an usual trick of theirs and I let her sleep and even gave her a Tylenol.

She popped it in and probably felt better and said I will go pick up few things from Bar and come back for sure and will stay till 6.

She gave me line ID and left. I was counting on her to come back (rookie mistake).

She later texts me and says mamasan said only 3 hours and that she finished it. What a BS and I fell for it [/QUOTE]If she was a REAL 7. 5 and you got her for 4. 5 including barfine you got a Steal of the Centurion.

You did good getting 30 minutes. Hahaha.

[QUOTE=HolsterMike;2765659]After an excruciating 22 hour flight I reached BkK and by the time I came I reached hotel near nana, it was 3 am.

Had couple of drinks (that I got from Airport).

Slept till 1:30 pm and headed out at 2:30 pm.

Was a tiring flight and got an amazing aroma Thai Message at Bai Po.

600 TB and she surely removed couple of knots.

Went to Soi Cowboy at 7:30 pm. Probably was too early, chicks were 6-7.

Hit Nana at 10 pm and bar fined a sexy chick from Mandarin Bar around 12 am.

Paid 4. 5 K TB including Bar fine. (Obviously was a rip off as I am an 'Indian' American).

This chick came and we had amazing fun for about 30 minutes. Including RIM, BBBJ, and hell even she was ready to do without cover.

Better sense prevailed and I used see but couldn't finish in her. So finally I asked her to blow me and did CIM.

After this (12:45 am) she complained of headache, and said wanted to sleep. Probably an usual trick of theirs and I let her sleep and even gave her a Tylenol 😂.

She popped it in and probably felt better and said I will go pick up few things from Bar and come back for sure and will stay till 6.

She gave me line ID and left. I was counting on her to come back (rookie mistake).

She later texts me and says mamasan said only 3 hours and that she finished it. What a BS and I fell for it.

Obviously no response after that. Lesson learnt the hard way.

Girl said she was 24. She looked like one. Probably k would rate 7-8.

Fit body but boobs were a little saggy. I could sense baby damage but she had a huge tattoo there.

I met another chick later and she said I just complain to mamasan tomorrow. But not sure if it is a wise idea.

Will call it a day![/QUOTE]Short time is the key to fun adventures.

You arent an Indian American, or an Indian. Use that American passport, that's your ticket. You might get overcharged over that, but that's because you are "rich".

That 22 hours sounds like Atlanta to BKK via Korea. Thats a rough 15 hour pop to Seoul. THen you get in at 1 am. Then you screw around getting out of the airport. Don't see a bed till dawn, uggg.

[QUOTE=HolsterMike;2765659]Hit Nana at 10 pm and bar fined a sexy chick from Mandarin Bar around 12 am.
Paid 4. 5 K TB including Bar fine. (Obviously was a rip off as I am an 'Indian' American).
This chick came and we had amazing fun for about 30 minutes. Including RIM, BBBJ, and hell even she was ready to do without cover.
Better sense prevailed and I used see but couldn't finish in her. So finally I asked her to blow me and did CIM.
After this (12:45 am) she complained of headache, and said wanted to sleep. Probably an usual trick of theirs and I let her sleep and even gave her a Tylenol 😂.
She popped it in and probably felt better and said I will go pick up few things from Bar and come back for sure and will stay till 6.
She gave me line ID and left. I was counting on her to come back (rookie mistake).
She later texts me and says mamasan said only 3 hours and that she finished it. What a BS and I fell for it.
Obviously no response after that. Lesson learnt the hard way.
[s]...[/s]
I met another chick later and she said I just complain to mamasan tomorrow. But not sure if it is a wise idea.[/QUOTE]I'd consider it as a lesson learned. I know I had to, and unfortunately, would have to relearn when I got complacent. Given it seems that the going rates are 3 k ST, 5 K LT, 4. 5 K including bar fine doesn't seem that over the top. Consider it an educational fee.

MY advice: chat with the girl to check her attitude, then ask for her [I]menu[/I], or just tell her YOUR job requirements; specify ST / LT [B]INCLUDING[/B] time of departure; and price. You might throw in your hotel (though that's a trade off): wallet size vs her safety. FINALLY, add it's pay [B]AFTER[/B]. If she mentions concerns about payment, well, trust is a TWO way street. A girl who wants to be paid BEFORE sets off my "Danger Will Robinson" alerts. Not saying it can't work, but gives her the control. Having said THAT, I always pay what was agreed to if time of service adhered to, regardless of quality of service. Otherwise, pay after doesn't work. Poor quality guarantees no repeats, quality generates repeat business.

Wg [I]translations[/I].

[I]Where you come from?[/I] = How much can I charge, and how safe are you.

[I]How long you stay BKK?[/I] = Can I charge you the tourist price or the local price.

[I]What's your name?[/I] = Have to call you something.

[I]Where you stay?[/I] = wallet size, safety, travel time / cost.

[I]I have a headache, I'm sick, etc[/I] = The job is finished and I want to leave.

[I]I'll be back[/I] = Unless she's Arnold, she won't.

Hey guys def want to take a trip to here but am struggling to pick which area is better?

I see some prefer Pattaya other Bangkok. Which do why'all recommend? I'm not necessarily a first timer when it comes to mongering so I'm not an easy target or a simp.

Are the girls / massages / hotels better in one city vs the other?

When you guys fly in does Pattaya have their own airport bc I know the 2 are about 2 hrs apart. Just trying to gather some general info as I plan for this trip. I'm quite thorough and try to be as organized and safe as possible.

[QUOTE=HolsterMike;2765659]After an excruciating 22 hour flight I reached BkK and by the time I came I reached hotel near nana, it was 3 am.

Had couple of drinks (that I got from Airport).

Slept till 1:30 pm and headed out at 2:30 pm.

Was a tiring flight and got an amazing aroma Thai Message at Bai Po.

600 TB and she surely removed couple of knots.

Went to Soi Cowboy at 7:30 pm. Probably was too early, chicks were 6-7.

Hit Nana at 10 pm and bar fined a sexy chick from Mandarin Bar around 12 am.

Paid 4. 5 K TB including Bar fine. (Obviously was a rip off as I am an 'Indian' American).

This chick came and we had amazing fun for about 30 minutes. Including RIM, BBBJ, and hell even she was ready to do without cover.

Better sense prevailed and I used see but couldn't finish in her. So finally I asked her to blow me and did CIM.

After this (12:45 am) she complained of headache, and said wanted to sleep. Probably an usual trick of theirs and I let her sleep and even gave her a Tylenol.[/QUOTE]Regards price. 4. 500 k including Barfine isn't a ripoff considering it's Long Time.

I'm telling you all don't pay no attention to the guy who is quoting outrageous Cheap price.

4,500 is actually a bargain. Assuming girl is a 5 or 6. Hahahaha.

[QUOTE=Nyezhov;2765846]Short time is the key to fun adventures.

You arent an Indian American, or an Indian. Use that American passport, that's your ticket. You might get overcharged over that, but that's because you are "rich".

That 22 hours sounds like Atlanta to BKK via Korea. Thats a rough 15 hour pop to Seoul. THen you get in at 1 am. Then you screw around getting out of the airport. Don't see a bed till dawn, uggg.[/QUOTE]This is why I am developing cold feet. Too long flights for too few freelancers and massage shops.

May be I will wait till snowwhite is open again.

[QUOTE=Oterri;2782498]This is why I am developing cold feet. Too long flights for too few freelancers and massage shops.

May be I will wait till snowwhite is open again.[/QUOTE]My experience in Nov-Dec last year, plenty of massage shops open, though I will say, at a couple I repeat weekly. But also tried some new ones based on [B]Newton York[/B]'s FR's (see ROD's), and I certainly found plenty to keep me [I]entertained[/I]. I am hopeful about Snow White, but won't hold my breath, given the failed example of the reincarnated Annie's. Yes, prices are up, the dollar is down, the Bier Garden is a shell. Yes, it is a long ride (mine isn't quite that long), but, believe me, it was good to be back and [I]reconnect[/I] with old friends, plus make some new ones. It's Thailand.

[QUOTE=YounGun3393;2782234]Hey guys def want to take a trip to here but am struggling to pick which area is better?

I see some prefer Pattaya other Bangkok. Which do why'all recommend? I'm not necessarily a first timer when it comes to mongering so I'm not an easy target or a simp.

Are the girls / massages / hotels better in one city vs the other?...[/QUOTE]Each place has its own charm. I prefer Pattaya, but I always spend time in both places.

[QUOTE=11Bravo;2765882]Wg [I]translations[/I].

[I]Where you come from?[/I] = How much can I charge, and how safe are you.

[I]How long you stay BKK?[/I] = Can I charge you the tourist price or the local price.

[I]What's your name?[/I] = Have to call you something.

[I]Where you stay?[/I] = wallet size, safety, travel time / cost.

[I]I have a headache, I'm sick, etc[/I] = The job is finished and I want to leave.

[I]I'll be back[/I] = Unless she's Arnold, she won't.[/QUOTE]Good translations, they are spot on.

[QUOTE=ChaChumplin;2782433]Regards price. 4. 500 k including Barfine isn't a ripoff considering it's Long Time.

I'm telling you all don't pay no attention to the guy who is quoting outrageous Cheap price.

4,500 is actually a bargain. Assuming girl is a 5 or 6. Hahahaha.[/QUOTE]You're saying 4500 for a girl with saggy tits and baby damage hidden behind a huge tattoo is good price?

[QUOTE=Paolo99;2782635]You're saying 4500 for a girl with saggy tits and baby damage hidden behind a huge tattoo is good price?[/QUOTE]I'm glad you brought this up. Hahahaha.

Just generically Speaking. Yes he got a good deal. Assuming he got a Fair Type girl.

Fair being what's left over after the Hottie s all decline Long Time.

Remember many a times actual condition of body is hard to judge.

P.S. What I'm concerned about is he rating girl 7/8 knowing she had sags and baby damage. Hahahaha. Hahahaha.

[QUOTE=YounGun3393;2782234]Hey guys def want to take a trip to here but am struggling to pick which area is better?

I see some prefer Pattaya other Bangkok. Which do why'all recommend? I'm not necessarily a first timer when it comes to mongering so I'm not an easy target or a simp.

Are the girls / massages / hotels better in one city vs the other?

When you guys fly in does Pattaya have their own airport bc I know the 2 are about 2 hrs apart. Just trying to gather some general info as I plan for this trip. I'm quite thorough and try to be as organized and safe as possible.[/QUOTE]Regarding girls. Pattaya is nice for a lot of beer bars and go go. BF at Pattaya was alot more than the ones i checked out at BK tho 1500 compared to 700. There were more options at P go go, BK ones i went to all seem pretty dead. Also plenty on TF but not much on Fiwfans. I hit up TF a lot in pattaya for the cheaper rates but of course most photo are P.S. Specially if he looks really hot and fair skin. If you see avg lookign gal on TF they will more likely match the pic. Guess you can try asking for video too before booking a session. BK was hard to find freelancer on TF but plenty of options on Fiwfans and again beware of photoshop so you won't get exactly what's on the pic. Thermae at BK you can see what you're getting but service probably won't compare especially if this is just their side gig. I prefer BK but all depends on what you want / like.

I don't really care for massage, all the hotels I stayed at this year at a few bugs both in BK and Pattaya. Some also got loud specially with workers and their clients LOL.

I spent most of November and December touring Thailand, about half time doing "polite" activities and half-time mongering. I won't state specific names for 2 reasons: first you will never find the same girl and second I don't remember most of their names. Unless otherwise stated, I did BBBJ and BBFSCIP, I'm getting too old to consistently succeed with a cover. I had a vasectomy so I won't be leaving any babies behind. Because of BB, I made sure to use the toilet and shower immediately after my sessions, probably not perfectly safe but that's what I did.

This report covers almost 2 months, so I'll be brief on each topic.

SUKHUMVIT SOI 7/1 BJ BARS.

Twice I was desperate and settled at these places. Waste of time and money. Can't remember names of places I visited, I think one was Wood bar. Bottom feeder girls. I guess I was a bottom feeder those nights.

SUKHUMVIT FREELANCERS.

There were usually plenty available in the evening and quality was same as in prior years, some good, some bad. Too many ladyboys for my taste. Usually able to find at least one girl that tickled my fancy, but never did I find a super hottie. I had one night where we struggled to find an available short term hotel room, eventually ended up paying 600 baht at Miami on Soi 13. Girls were typically asking for 1000-1500 ST covered or 1500-2000 uncovered. As best I can remember, I had 3 sessions with freelancers, none were terrible and none were spectacular.

SUKHUMVIT BAR GIRLS.

There were some cuties in the new tiny bars on Soi 7, but I didn't have enough time to explore these options. I didn't see anything of interest in the larger beer bars, typically walked in and back out.

SOI 3 FREELANCERS.

These girls seem to be mentally different from those on Sukhumvit between Nana and Asoke BTS. Maybe calmer, less aggressive, perhaps luck of the draw or just my imagination. Had 4 sessions and 2 were worth repeating, including a deaf girl who didn't look too good but was a great performer. One girl was agreeable on the street but changed the price and ground rules in the room, but she eventually completed the task at agreed price but then complained (I won't go back to her, ever). One girl had her pussy covered in little bumps and I didn't want to touch it more than I already had. Ended the session, took shower, paid, and left.

SUKHUMVIT SOI 24 MASSAGE SHOPS.

Some of the best lookers were available here. I did 2 fully covered sessions and both were bland. I can't remember which shops I used; they all seem the same to me. I paid about 1800 baht for 45 minutes each time; maybe it was a little more, I don't remember. About 10 months ago Pink massage had a girl who gave me a spectacular 45 minutes, the shop now has a different name but she was still available. I foolishly went elsewhere. PM if you want that girl's name, I've given her name in the past and received positive reviews.

NANA PLAZA.

Perhaps my favorite place in Thailand is Nana Plaza. I've read many complaints about the girls being less attractive than in the past, but most of the go go bars will have at least one girl that has the right look for me. Most of the big bars were too crowded and noisy for me, so I gravitated to the small bars and watched 2 or 3 dance sets before I bought any lady drinks. Before offering lady drink I always asked if she did bar fines (all said yes) and then I held up 1 finger to waitress and said 1 drink. Often waitress would say something like "can she have blah blah blah" and I would again hold up 1 finger and say "1 drink". I suspect they were going to bill 2 drinks for a rum and coke (or whatever). I bar fined 2 girls, one from Mandarin (3rd floor with entrance on 2nd floor at top of escalator) and Random (2nd floor to the left of the wide stairs). In both cases I did short time and enjoyed my sessions. I think both bar fines were 800, drinks for both about 400, and her fee was 3000. I tend to tip mamas about 200 baht, she is the one who I want to like me. I had one girl who claimed she was 21, that this was her first night working in bar, and I was her first ever boom-boom customer. Yea, sure, whatever you say. She sure knew the routine well for me being her first boom-boom customer ever (get dressed, walk directly to ST hotel, check in here, find the room there, etc); it seemed to me like she had done it many times.

HUA HIN.

Soi Bintabaht had about 5 girls for every customer at 10 PM, none of them looked great, just a few looked doable. One bar had girls outside holding signs saying something like "Fuck tonight, pay tomorrow"; that gave me a chuckle. I had one drink with one of the better-looking girls on the soi and ended up doing a bar fine. The barmaid / mamasan wanted 600 bar fine and I said "this is just short time" and she dropped it to 300 baht. Can't remember, but I think I gave her 2000 for BBFSCIP plus another 300 for the hotel room. Only one of the Hua Hin girls looked great, she was a massage girl on Poonsuk Road (what a great name for a road!). No full service available but I got an excellent BBBJCIM, paid about 1000 baht and it was well worth it. If she worked at Nana Plaza, she would have been the best looker in most of the bars.

I hired a tuktuk to give me a tour and walked a single pass through Soi 80 and Soi 94. As weak as Bintabaht and Poonsuk are, Sois 80 and 94 are smaller and weaker.

THAI TRAVELER PLACES.

I spent some time in places where few farang visit. Very few options in terms of street freelancers or girl bars. I did have one session in a no-sex massage place that was quite nice. I think I paid 2000 for a wonderful massage plus BBFSCIP. I won't be spending much future time in these areas unless I bring my own girl.

PATPONG and THANIYA ROAD.

Very different areas but very close together. Thaniya road had lots of true hotties sitting outside, presumably trying to draw attention for karaoke. One group seemed to be eyeballing me, but then I realized I was in their direct line of sight with a group of young, well dressed, Asian men. I walked that area 2 or 3 passes and it didn't seem they were interested in me.

I walked in and out of most of the Patpong bars and didn't see anything worth my time. Walked in and out of some upper floor massage places. Did have one drink in one bar (maybe it was King's Castle 2?) and watched the show. One girl latched onto me and wouldn't leave for the longest time. After carefully checking out the available girls, I didn't buy any lady drinks. That was the bar with the best-looking girls in Patpong on that night. The low point of the night was when I went to a massage shop and mamasan offered 200 baht for 60-minute oil massage, I accepted but the massage girl refused to use oil at the 200-baht price, she wanted 300 baht to use oil. Too bad, she was about the best-looking girl in all of Patpong and I would have tipped high for the right services. I got dressed and walked out. She was not as hot as the better Thaniya Road girls.

LAMAI BEACH KOH SAMUI.

Lamai Beach is a small area with lots of girl bars and some special service massage places. Most massage places have nothing but old women to service you, I don't even go into those places. But at the north end of town is a cluster of about 5 massage places with some cute girls. I had 2 massages, both with pretty girls under 25. One provided BBFSCIP but the other provided only HJ. If I recall, the massage plus BBFSCIP was 2000 and the massage plus HJ was 500 or 1000.

The Lamai girl bars are in the center of town and a large cluster to the south. All girl bars in Lamai are tiny, no more than about 15 seats. None of the bars were loaded with hotties, perhaps 1 in 20 girls looked good enough to work at Nana Plaza, but there were often more than 100 girls to assess. It takes some looking, but I always found someone doable and CFS was available for 1000 and BBFSCIP for 1500. I had services that were good enough so I was happy to give 1500 plus 500 tip. As a group, the Lamai girls had the most enjoyable personalities I've met in Thailand. Very relaxed. I had about 6 sessions (4 different girls) and all of them wanted to spend the night with me in my hotel. I'm not into LT with professionals so I sent them away after the main event. I had one girl 3 times and wish I had more nights with her. Three of the girls that I bar fined could have been bottom level Nana Plaza girls, one would have been mid-level at Nana.

CHAWENG KOH SAMUI.

Reports have indicated that there were more pretty girls in Chaweng than Lamai, in my eye the group was no different than Lamai in appearance. The bars are very different than Lamai, much larger. I spent a few hours in the Green Mango area and bought only 1 or 2 lady drinks and did zero bar fines.

[QUOTE=HorseTrader;2785294]
SOI 3 FREELANCERS.

These girls seem to be mentally different from those on Sukhumvit between Nana and Asoke BTS. ….[/QUOTE]Sorry, Soi 4, not Soi 3. Hope I didn't send any newbies to the wrong side of Sukhumvit.

[QUOTE=HorseTrader;2785294]I spent most of November and December touring Thailand, about half time doing "polite" activities and half-time mongering. I won't state specific names for 2 reasons: first you will never find the same girl and second I don't remember most of their names. Unless otherwise stated, I did BBBJ and BBFSCIP, I'm getting too old to consistently succeed with a cover. I had a vasectomy so I won't be leaving any babies behind. Because of BB, I made sure to use the toilet and shower immediately after my sessions, probably not perfectly safe but that's what I did.

This report covers almost 2 months, so I'll be brief on each topic.

LAMAI BEACH KOH SAMUI.

Lamai Beach is a small area with lots of girl bars and some special service massage places. Most massage places have nothing but old women to service you, I don't even go into those places. But at the north end of town is a cluster of about 5 massage places with some cute girls. I had 2 massages, both with pretty girls under 25. One provided BBFSCIP but the other provided only HJ. If I recall, the massage plus BBFSCIP was 2000 and the massage plus HJ was 500 or 1000.

The Lamai girl bars are in the center of town and a large cluster to the south. All girl bars in Lamai are tiny, no more than about 15 seats. None of the bars were loaded with hotties, perhaps 1 in 20 girls looked good enough to work at Nana Plaza, but there were often more than 100 girls to assess. It takes some looking, but I always found someone doable and CFS was available for 1000 and BBFSCIP for 1500. I had services that were good enough so I was happy to give 1500 plus 500 tip. As a group, the Lamai girls had the most enjoyable personalities I've met in Thailand. Very relaxed. I had about 6 sessions (4 different girls) and all of them wanted to spend the night with me in my hotel. I'm not into LT with professionals so I sent them away after the main event. I had one girl 3 times and wish I had more nights with her. Three of the girls that I bar fined could have been bottom level Nana Plaza girls, one would have been mid-level at Nana.
…
CHAWENG KOH SAMUI.

Reports have indicated that there were more pretty girls in Chaweng than Lamai, in my eye the group was no different than Lamai in appearance. The bars are very different than Lamai, much larger. I spent a few hours in the Green Mango area and bought only 1 or 2 lady drinks and did zero bar fines.[/QUOTE]The girls that offered BBFSCIP, did they offer this service only because you've had a vasectomy?

[QUOTE=Vendelo;2788525]The girls that offered BBFSCIP, did they offer this service only because you've had a vasectomy?[/QUOTE]Usually it isn't even mentioned. If she is hesitant but still shows interest, I tell her I've had a vasectomy, but that is unlikely to be understood.

[QUOTE=HorseTrader;2788551]Usually it isn't even mentioned. If she is hesitant but still shows interest, I tell her I've had a vasectomy, but that is unlikely to be understood.[/QUOTE]I tell them I have been "cut" and pantomime a "scissor snip" at my cock.

Then add can not make a baby.

Most of them understand that and then accept it as a greenlight for BB and sometimes BBCIP.

Is there anyway to get lineups for girls in soapies like you can for other clubs?

Will arrive in May to Jomtien / Pattaya, can anyone tell me if the American Streaming Apps like Prime, Paramount +, HBO etc. Work in Thailand? I will have good Wi-Fi, I have used Amazon Music successfully with my Alexa device- it is not without 'breakups" in the audio, but still worth listening to rather than Issan music 555, any information will be appreciated. Cheers.

[QUOTE=GuyBrusg1957;2788959]Is there anyway to get lineups for girls in soapies like you can for other clubs?[/QUOTE]Lineups? They all are already there in front of you staring you in the face.

[QUOTE=StLouisMo2010;2789511]Will arrive in May to Jomtien / Pattaya, can anyone tell me if the American Streaming Apps like Prime, Paramount +, HBO etc. Work in Thailand? I will have good Wi-Fi, I have used Amazon Music successfully with my Alexa device- it is not without 'breakups" in the audio, but still worth listening to rather than Issan music 555, any information will be appreciated. Cheers.[/QUOTE]At least some of them work in Thailand, can't say about all of them. I've watched movies on NetFlix and maybe on Amazon Prime. However, there is some programming that isn't available in Thailand. For example, in December I wanted to watch a football game that was available in USA on fubo, but it was blocked in Thailand on fubo.

[QUOTE=HorseTrader;2789528]At least some of them work in Thailand, can't say about all of them. I've watched movies on NetFlix and maybe on Amazon Prime. However, there is some programming that isn't available in Thailand. For example, in December I wanted to watch a football game that was available in USA on fubo, but it was blocked in Thailand on fubo.[/QUOTE]Use a VPN.

[QUOTE=StLouisMo2010;2789511]Will arrive in May to Jomtien / Pattaya, can anyone tell me if the American Streaming Apps like Prime, Paramount +, HBO etc. Work in Thailand? I will have good Wi-Fi, I have used Amazon Music successfully with my Alexa device- it is not without 'breakups" in the audio, but still worth listening to rather than Issan music 555, any information will be appreciated. Cheers.[/QUOTE]Paramount and Peacock for certain are blocked and Netflix will show the offerings for the area you are logged onto in my experience. Much of the ESPN+ content is blocked outside the USA.

I use a SurfShark VPN or Hide My Ass and both do a good job, although sometimes you will need to look around for the server that works. I have a couple of times where I got a message that said "We have detected you are using a VPN so please disable to try again. I switched servers once or twice and it seemed to work okay. My question is where is this good wifi you speak of?

Sky.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2789515]Lineups? They all are already there in front of you staring you in the face.[/QUOTE]Whoops, I meant online.

What city has the best looking girls. Just based off looks. I originally thought Bangkok, but my friends say Pattaya and Phuket. I've never been there but see more venues and places in bkk. I'm going to Thailand soon. I get mixed answers so I thought why not ask the pros.

[QUOTE=StLouisMo2010;2789511]Will arrive in May to Jomtien / Pattaya, can anyone tell me if the American Streaming Apps like Prime, Paramount +, HBO etc. Work in Thailand? I will have good Wi-Fi, I have used Amazon Music successfully with my Alexa device- it is not without 'breakups" in the audio, but still worth listening to rather than Issan music 555, any information will be appreciated. Cheers.[/QUOTE]VPN then use an app that allows access to the newsgroups. Easynews is a good example. There are several out there. You can find anything period in multiple languages and format sizes, current episodes, movies, sports ect. . Best of all no commercials at all. This approach may or may no be legal depending on location. Use a VPN.

Just my. 02.

Guido88.

Hi Guys,

Regarding Koh Samui.

Am I right to think I can take a girl to any hotel (I like 5 star accommodation) however if it's not girl friendly they will ask for a joiner fee? Or is it some of them will outright refuse my company for the night.

Thanks in advance.

Red.

For you guys even thinking about "retiring" an older bargirl, and then settling down in Pattaya:

It is very common for Thai women to hit peak horniness around age 40. I know lots of older bargirls who crave young guys to satisfy their needs. The problem is that not long after they hit age 40, their sex drive almost completely shuts down. The classic scenario is for some foreigner to settle down with an older bargirl, who then stops fucking. So, the guy is stuck with a Thai wife who is not interested in sex. Which is why there are so many bars east of Sukhumvit Road, this is where most Farangs settle.

This isn't to say that the older married Thai lady has zero sex drive, but she needs her Thai boyfriend to make her horny. So, when her Farang husband is hitting the bars, she gets a quickie from her Thai man.

Yeah, the sex drive of older Thai ladies can be very strong: one lady I went with literally could not get enough. Too much for me. She ended up working cashier in a boy bar, so she had easy access to young guys.

[QUOTE=Carlotx;2790254]What city has the best looking girls. Just based off looks. I originally thought Bangkok, but my friends say Pattaya and Phuket. I've never been there but see more venues and places in bkk. I'm going to Thailand soon. I get mixed answers so I thought why not ask the pros.[/QUOTE]Bangkok. Pattaya at least prior to the pandemic wasn't bad and has some cool spots but Bangkok just so big with everything.

I've never been to Phuket but I have not heard of anything good post pandemic. At all.

[QUOTE=RedHawk;2791001]Hi Guys,

Regarding Koh Samui.

Am I right to think I can take a girl to any hotel (I like 5 star accommodation) however if it's not girl friendly they will ask for a joiner fee? Or is it some of them will outright refuse my company for the night.

Thanks in advance.

Red.[/QUOTE]Any hotel is girl friendly in Thailand regardless any star. Joiner fee may adopted if the room is booked for single occupancy. Just book a double room, no one will eye whom with you or whom is not.

[QUOTE=RedHawk;2791001]Hi Guys,

Regarding Koh Samui.

Am I right to think I can take a girl to any hotel (I like 5 star accommodation) however if it's not girl friendly they will ask for a joiner fee? Or is it some of them will outright refuse my company for the night.

Thanks in advance.

Red.[/QUOTE]Book for 2 persons.

[QUOTE=StLouisMo2010;2789511]Will arrive in May to Jomtien / Pattaya, can anyone tell me if the American Streaming Apps like Prime, Paramount +, HBO etc. Work in Thailand? I will have good Wi-Fi, I have used Amazon Music successfully with my Alexa device- it is not without 'breakups" in the audio, but still worth listening to rather than Issan music 555, any information will be appreciated. Cheers.[/QUOTE]Hre's a hint: if you have a Thai lady in your room, try playing Isaan music.

[QUOTE=RedHawk;2791001]Hi Guys,

Regarding Koh Samui.

Am I right to think I can take a girl to any hotel (I like 5 star accommodation) however if it's not girl friendly they will ask for a joiner fee? Or is it some of them will outright refuse my company for the night.

Thanks in advance.

Red.[/QUOTE]I didn't stay at any 5 star hotels but most of the hotels did mention a joiner fee in the fine print and some had signs at the front desk. I booked my rooms for two people and none of the hotels I stayed at in BKK or Pattaya seems to enforce the joiner fee.

[QUOTE=Lcale1982;2791359]I didn't stay at any 5 star hotels but most of the hotels did mention a joiner fee in the fine print and some had signs at the front desk. I booked my rooms for two people and none of the hotels I stayed at in BKK or Pattaya seems to enforce the joiner fee.[/QUOTE]If you booked for two, the joiner fee applies for a possible 3rd guest in the room, be it ST or LT.

[QUOTE=GuyBrusg1957;2791278]Bangkok. Pattaya at least prior to the pandemic wasn't bad and has some cool spots but Bangkok just so big with everything.

I've never been to Phuket but I have not heard of anything good post pandemic. At all.[/QUOTE]Hahahaha, you must be deaf then.

So many of the stunning Thai women headed to Phuket from Bangkok and Pattaya when covid hit as it was for a long time the only place open to tourism.

Even post pandemic a lot of those women have stayed and are now based in Phuket.

Just search the social media feeds of the cool hip places in Phuket, nightclubs, beach clubs, be seen places and you will see them.

Personally I don't and never will chase them as their rates are out of proportion with any value criteria.

But notwithstanding that, they are there for those with the cash to splash, and with the style and flair to interest them.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2791188].....The problem is that not long after they hit age 40, their sex drive almost completely shuts down......This isn't to say that the older married Thai lady has zero sex drive, but she needs her Thai boyfriend to make her horny. So, when her Farang husband is hitting the bars, she gets a quickie from her Thai man.....the sex drive of older Thai ladies can be very strong: one lady I went with literally could not get enough. Too much for me. She ended up working cashier in a boy bar, so she had easy access to young guys.[/QUOTE]I'm getting 3 things from your post:

1. Some Thai ladies over 40 have no sex drive;.

2. Some older Thai ladies prefer Thai man to farang; and

3. Some older Thai ladies have a very strong sex drive.

On some FIWFANS there is reference to an up charge for size above 53 or 54. It's not centimeters obviously so what unit of measurement is being referenced.

[QUOTE=PilotPete;2796253]On some FIWFANS there is reference to an up charge for size above 53 or 54. It's not centimeters obviously so what unit of measurement is being referenced.[/QUOTE]It is the diameter of the condom in millimeters. For the most part, when chicks talk about the size of a guys dick, they are talking in diameter, not length.

[QUOTE=PilotPete;2796253]On some FIWFANS there is reference to an up charge for size above 53 or 54. It's not centimeters obviously so what unit of measurement is being referenced.[/QUOTE]Likely is related to condom size. If I recall, condom size is half the circumference in mm before it is stretched. Lay condom out and measure the width in mm, if I recall, that is the condom size. I’m too lazy to look it up now.

[QUOTE=PilotPete;2796253]On some FIWFANS there is reference to an up charge for size above 53 or 54. It's not centimeters obviously so what unit of measurement is being referenced.[/QUOTE]Age or penis size? But then in which units?

[QUOTE=PilotPete;2796253]On some FIWFANS there is reference to an up charge for size above 53 or 54. It's not centimeters obviously so what unit of measurement is being referenced.[/QUOTE]It is indeed related to the size of the condom. Japanese condoms quote their size. Regular is 54 mm and large is 58 mm. So basically if you ask for a large one, you'll be slapped the large penis size. Which I assume no guy will complain about.

[URL]https://www.condomjungle.com/blog/condom-size-chart/[/URL]

Quote:

What size condom do I need?

There is a simple way to find out what size condom you need by gauging your manhood in a snap.

All that you need is a toilet paper roll.

Got it?

Drum roll, please.

Here we go.

Slip the toilet paper roll onto your penis (I assume fully erect):

What size condom do I need?

(A) If there’s extra room you most likely need - Small (S) A.K.A. Snugger Fit
(B) If the fit is just about right, you should start with - Medium (M) A.K.A. Standard or Regular
(C) If it’s too tight or you can’t even come close to putting it on, you need to look at - Large (L) or Extra Large (XL) or XXL

A: 52 or less
B: approx 54
B: more than 54

...Now please excuse me I need to find a toilet paper roll

[QUOTE=MvuLane;2796290]
What size condom do I need?
There is a simple way to find out what size condom you need by gauging your manhood in a snap.
All that you need is a toilet paper roll.
Got it?
Drum roll, please.
Here we go.
Slip the toilet paper roll onto your penis (I assume fully erect):
What size condom do I need?

(A) If theres extra room you most likely need - Small (S) A.K.A. Snugger Fit
(B) If the fit is just about right, you should start with - Medium (M) A.K.A. Standard or Regular
(C) If its too tight or you cant even come close to putting it on, you need to look at - Large (L) or Extra Large (XL) or XXL

A: 52 or less
B: approx 54
B: more than 54
[/QUOTE]I'm wondering if all toilet paper rolls in the world have the same diameter.
Probably not, so I might have a micro penis in the USA, and a giant cock in Japan, LOL.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2796021]I'm getting 3 things from your post:

1. Some Thai ladies over 40 have no sex drive;.

2. Some older Thai ladies prefer Thai man to farang; and

3. Some older Thai ladies have a very strong sex drive.[/QUOTE]Sex drive in relation to Farang husband = 0.

Sex drive in relation to Thai boyfriend = 100.

That's what keep bars in the Darkside open, frustrated Farangs have to barfine ladies in bars, while their Thai wives go see their kik.

[QUOTE=Carlotx;2790254]What city has the best looking girls. Just based off looks. I originally thought Bangkok, but my friends say Pattaya and Phuket. I've never been there but see more venues and places in bkk. I'm going to Thailand soon. I get mixed answers so I thought why not ask the pros.[/QUOTE](I assume we are talking about working girls here) -IMO Bangkok and Phuket- but I prefer Pattaya because it's much better value + user friendly. Phuket, especially, is a ripoff.

[QUOTE=AggieDad1;2758963]Never used Thai Friendly but I know others on here have. A couple of weeks ago I was sitting in a bar in Hua Hin and was talking to a lady who uses Thai Friendly. It was hilarious as she showed me on her phone some of the profiles guys put up, and then told stories of some of the losers she has had dealings with. She is not a freelancer but is looking for a sugar daddy.[/QUOTE]ThaiFriendly has really changed the game- in many ways for the better. It puts more power in the hands of the girl because it makes freelancing easier and makes the girls less dependent on the bars / mamasans. If you dislike bars and want to cut to the chase- it give you better options as well. The downside is that now bargirls are more likely to not go with customers and act like drink-queens.

Howdy folks. I have just a general vague question. On making a rough outline of my second trip, I am musing on the part of staying in BKK for a day or two to test the waters.

What I really want to do is a genuine nuru massage, with oil on an inflated mat. However, I'm unsure of if the 'nuru massage' places in BKK are just another name for the same kind of soapies in Pattaya.

Do any of the nuru places in BKK actually use oil for the nuru? Do they have the main course on the mat with the oil, or is it just another term for a soapy massage?

Currently I have on my list, Tulip massage, Annies massage (those two as they have dedicated threads here), but also Heaven Nuru and Doki Doki.

I'd rather not complicate my trip with a stop in BKK if what they have can be gotten at one of the Honey massages in Pattaya.

[QUOTE=Tvataham274;2799759]Howdy folks. I have just a general vague question. On making a rough outline of my second trip, I am musing on the part of staying in BKK for a day or two to test the waters.

What I really want to do is a genuine nuru massage, with oil on an inflated mat. However, I'm unsure of if the 'nuru massage' places in BKK are just another name for the same kind of soapies in Pattaya.
[/QUOTE]I went to a nuru chick in Peru. I waited for the nuru but it never happened. Or so I thought. At the end I questioned the chick about the gel (as I had read on this site, but now you are saying oil.) She said all nuru means is body to body. She did it with baby powder. So I guess nuru (body to body) can be done with soap, lotion, powder, oil, gel, nothing, or anything.

Predicting things go according to election polls, what will a new Pheu Thai party formed government mean for the sex industry in Thailand? Is this a good or bad thing?

As for Nuru, Mr. E is correct. In Japan, all Nuru means is body to body with some sort of lubricant whether it be powder, oil, soap, etc.

Ah, I see. Thanks for clarifying Gents. Now the only thing I need to look at is which, if any places in BKK do the sexy time with the body to body time. My two visits to Honey2 were, unremarkable to say the least, in retrospect.

[QUOTE=Tvataham274;2799759]Howdy folks. I have just a general vague question. On making a rough outline of my second trip, I am musing on the part of staying in BKK for a day or two to test the waters.

What I really want to do is a genuine nuru massage, with oil on an inflated mat. However, I'm unsure of if the 'nuru massage' places in BKK are just another name for the same kind of soapies in Pattaya.

Do any of the nuru places in BKK actually use oil for the nuru? Do they have the main course on the mat with the oil, or is it just another term for a soapy massage?

Currently I have on my list, Tulip massage, Annies massage (those two as they have dedicated threads here), but also Heaven Nuru and Doki Doki.

I'd rather not complicate my trip with a stop in BKK if what they have can be gotten at one of the Honey massages in Pattaya.[/QUOTE]A genuine Nuru massage is most definitely not just another name for a soapy massage. For a start they don't use oil; a genuine Nuru place will use a specific Nuru gel from Japan (made from a Japanese seaweed). The lady will cover you and herself with the Nuru gel and then use her body to massage every inch (literally) of you. This usually involves a catbath and rimming. The main course can then be had on the mat or move to the bed, up to you. It is more expensive than a normal 'oily' or 'soapy' massage and is not to everyone's taste, but in Bangkok among the well known places are Soap / Mitu, Kokoro, and Doki Doki.

In Suvarnaphumi airport now. The traffic is unbelievable, the lines are much longer than before Covid.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2797215]Sex drive in relation to Farang husband = 0.

Sex drive in relation to Thai boyfriend = 100.

That's what keep bars in the Darkside open, frustrated Farangs have to barfine ladies in bars, while their Thai wives go see their kik.[/QUOTE]I'm a Farang with a MILF / mature fetish sometimes. I text random Thai women 45+ on Thaifriendly if they want to have fun. There's always 1-2 that are keen to meet. Some more if I would be ok meeting at my place or a hotel (these days I prefer to go to their place which many simply don't have). I'm talking about pure sex dates here, no money exchanged. The few times I take them to a hotel I would pay the 400 Baht for the hotel.

Some of them are super horny. Some of them didn't have sex for years and are pretty inexperienced (had a Thai husband their whole life, got divorced and stayed single or hoping for a while, and are now hitting the dating apps).

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2801375]In Suvarnaphumi airport now. The traffic is unbelievable, the lines are much longer than before Covid.[/QUOTE]We get it, Thailand and Pattaya are packed with tourists.

[QUOTE=Amnesia;2801786]I'm a Farang with a MILF / mature fetish sometimes. I text random Thai women 45+ on Thaifriendly if they want to have fun. There's always 1-2 that are keen to meet. Some more if I would be ok meeting at my place or a hotel (these days I prefer to go to their place which many simply don't have). I'm talking about pure sex dates here, no money exchanged. The few times I take them to a hotel I would pay the 400 Baht for the hotel.

Some of them are super horny. Some of them didn't have sex for years and are pretty inexperienced (had a Thai husband their whole life, got divorced and stayed single or hoping for a while, and are now hitting the dating apps).[/QUOTE]Yep.

Older Thai ladies will play the odds, hoping to catch a Farang husband.

Their horniness disappears 5 minutes after marriage starts. Except when they have a chance to spend time with their kik.

Some guys like to bar fine ladies for a week or more. It's not recommended, but it is done. There are a lot of traps if you go with a lady for 3+ days, mostly from the lady not being able to live with a stranger for very long.

One downside is caused by the extended families in Thailand. The longer you go with a lady, the greater the chance a family member will go to the hospital and / or die. Which means the lady will be on the telephone constantly discussing the incident and the funeral.

In my situation, it was a 13 year old cousin killed driving a motorcycle in Bangkok.

I have had ladies lose relatives via automotive suicide and the usual old age diseases.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2802461]Some guys like to bar fine ladies for a week or more. It's not recommended, but it is done. There are a lot of traps if you go with a lady for 3+ days, mostly from the lady not being able to live with a stranger for very long.

One downside is caused by the extended families in Thailand. The longer you go with a lady, the greater the chance a family member will go to the hospital and / or die. Which means the lady will be on the telephone constantly discussing the incident and the funeral.

In my situation, it was a 13 year old cousin killed driving a motorcycle in Bangkok.

I have had ladies lose relatives via automotive suicide and the usual old age diseases.[/QUOTE]Good summary. I also learned to avoid oldest sisters with no brothers. If mom and dad are dead then they run the family. The family drama is multiplied.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2791188]... It is very common for Thai women to hit peak horniness around age 40...[/QUOTE]In my experience, peak horniness for women is around age 19. Many women also have another top as they approach menopause (larger share of male hormones + a feeling that time is running out) and then it drops off. In addition, the excitement of any sexual relationship starts declining pretty fast. It is always more exciting to have sex with new people, both for men and women. To me it sounds like it is a mixture of these things you are picking up, rather than something specific to Thai women.

[QUOTE=Amnesia;2801786]I'm a Farang with a MILF / mature fetish sometimes. I text random Thai women 45+ on Thaifriendly if they want to have fun. There's always 1-2 that are keen to meet. Some more if I would be ok meeting at my place or a hotel (these days I prefer to go to their place which many simply don't have). I'm talking about pure sex dates here, no money exchanged. The few times I take them to a hotel I would pay the 400 Baht for the hotel.

Some of them are super horny. Some of them didn't have sex for years and are pretty inexperienced (had a Thai husband their whole life, got divorced and stayed single or hoping for a while, and are now hitting the dating apps).[/QUOTE]This is a really interesting post. Unusual to hear about this demographic of women and the fact that it's not P4 P. Are you able to find any ladies that still have decent physiques?

I always wonder how men in SEA can get aroused for older ladies knowing that it's so easy to find a younger women working girl, but many seem to find the arousal. Married men will say that it's also about feelings for the lady- but that doesn't seem to be the case here. Tell us more.

[QUOTE=Cucumber;2802615]In my experience, peak horniness for women is around age 19. Many women also have another top as they approach menopause (larger share of male hormones + a feeling that time is running out) and then it drops off. In addition, the excitement of any sexual relationship starts declining pretty fast. It is always more exciting to have sex with new people, both for men and women. To me it sounds like it is a mixture of these things you are picking up, rather than something specific to Thai women.[/QUOTE]Don't confuse capability with horniness for a 19 year old. The younger ladies work Soi 6 in Pattaya because they can take 5 customers a day, every day. Even if an older woman could attract that many customers, she can't handle them, day in, day out.

If you observe younger women carefully, you will find that the clitorus is not fully developed in many. Touching the clit results in a ticklish feeling. This also means that they don't cum. When they get older, then the clit develops, and what was once a job becomes an adventure.

[QUOTE=RakSopheni;2802628]This is a really interesting post. Unusual to hear about this demographic of women and the fact that it's not P4 P. Are you able to find any ladies that still have decent physiques?

I always wonder how men in SEA can get aroused for older ladies knowing that it's so easy to find a younger women working girl, but many seem to find the arousal. Married men will say that it's also about feelings for the lady- but that doesn't seem to be the case here. Tell us more.[/QUOTE]I have run into a couple of attractive mamasans in their 40's who normally go with very young guys (one has 2 Farang 30 years olds).

The problem is that their sexual appetites are similar to Farang women: they want to cum, which means they finish first. So, their Farang boyfriends have to go for a long time. Or, in the case of young Thai men, fuck once, finish, reload, do again until the lady finishes.

I didn't sign up for that.

But, most older Thai ladies are very happy to have you cum quickly so they can think about how they are going to spend the money you give them.

The down side of most older Thai ladies is zero muscle tone. They may have a nice looking assessment, but it almost feels like jello. One lady I know went from a firm ass at age 35 to jello at age 40.

I returned to Thailand from Vietnam yesterday.

Suvarnaphumi Immigration was not crowded at all.

So, the big crush the other day was people leaving Thailand, but not so many entering Thailand now.

Does anyone know if the 45 day Visa on Arrival that was set to expire today, March 31 was extended to the end of 2023 as promised?

[QUOTE=RakSopheni;2803287]Does anyone know if the 45 day Visa on Arrival that was set to expire today, March 31 was extended to the end of 2023 as promised?[/QUOTE]Per TheThaiger, no decision has been made as of a couple days ago. See 7:08 of the linked video.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tEMWlleRNQQ[/URL]

I don't think there was ever any promise to extend it, it was just a proposal by TAT.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2799803]Predicting things go according to election polls, what will a new Pheu Thai party formed government mean for the sex industry in Thailand? Is this a good or bad thing?[/QUOTE]The military won't allow them to form a government, even if they win.

If they Pheu Thai do get power again, recall that it's Thaksin who started the first major crackdown on nightlife, back around 2002 or so. Limiting hours on bars, closing almost all the brothels up north (there were hundreds), all that jazz. He's very anti-nightlife, and those policies tend to be popular with most Thais, so others sometimes copy them too. So, no good news expected on that front. Sex industry is in decline and has lost most of its clout over the politicians over the years, so it doesn't make too much sense for any political option to support them.

[QUOTE=RakSopheni;2803287]Does anyone know if the 45 day Visa on Arrival that was set to expire today, March 31 was extended to the end of 2023 as promised?[/QUOTE]45 days is no more. 30 days only moving forward. You can still extend your 30 days to 60 days.

Can I go to the immigration office and get another 30 days after the 60? Are visa runs still a thing? Thanks for a why answers.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2803594]45 days is no more. 30 days only moving forward. You can still extend your 30 days to 60 days.[/QUOTE]

I am confused as well. I am an American but I think you have to get a Tourist E-Visa with single entries if you want to stay longer than 30 days. How strict is Thailand with Visa requirements? I don't know the hotels and exact flights I will be using.

I (city boy) travel with a friend (country boy). We are both disillusioned with the Dominican Republic at this point and want a new destination. We arrive BKK in mid-November about midnight and plan to stay in Bangkok for a few days before heading to Pattaya. He plans to have a female meet him in Bangkok for a couple of the days (he's been writing her for years online). Currently the plan includes staying in BKK for four days (including the first late night arrival) followed by a trip to Pattaya for six days (short trip but we both work). For those who have traveled to Thailand, would you recommend the split of time? Thanks for your input.

[QUOTE=WanderingMan;2804267]I (city boy) travel with a friend (country boy). We are both disillusioned with the Dominican Republic at this point and want a new destination. We arrive BKK in mid-November about midnight and plan to stay in Bangkok for a few days before heading to Pattaya. He plans to have a female meet him in Bangkok for a couple of the days (he's been writing her for years online). Currently the plan includes staying in BKK for four days (including the first late night arrival) followed by a trip to Pattaya for six days (short trip but we both work). For those who have traveled to Thailand, would you recommend the split of time? Thanks for your input.[/QUOTE]I suspect that you two are going to split. He will stay with his new found girlfriend and you will discover LOS all alone.

3+1 night in bkk are sufficient to get a feeling and 6 nights in Pattaya will be a good immersion. The other way around if you look at the "tourist stuff", ie daytime activities to do some sightseeing.

[QUOTE=BionicMan;2804273]I suspect that you two are going to split. He will stay with his new found girlfriend and you will discover LOS all alone.

3+1 night in bkk are sufficient to get a feeling and 6 nights in Pattaya will be a good immersion. The other way around if you look at the "tourist stuff", ie daytime activities to do some sightseeing.[/QUOTE]Thank you for your comments. He is flying her into BKK and out a couple days later from Cebu, PI. He simply didn't want to fly to BKK and then visit the PI at a later time, so killing two birds with one stone. If he does choose to stay with her and extend her flight back to the PI, great. It isn't planned that way though. That said, we all know what can happen to the best laid plans. Thanks again.

[QUOTE=GuyBrusg1957;2804257]I am confused as well. I am an American but I think you have to get a Tourist E-Visa with single entries if you want to stay longer than 30 days. How strict is Thailand with Visa requirements? I don't know the hotels and exact flights I will be using.[/QUOTE]You don't need an e-visa. As an American you get an automatic 30 day exemption extendable to 60 days. Then just do a visa run and come right back in for another 30. This article explains how to do it in Pattaya: [URL]https://pattayasanook.com/extending-thai-tourist-visa-pattaya-jomtien/[/URL].

For any Visa questions you really should go to one of the Visa forums like Thaiger Talk or Asean Now rather than obtain your information from a sex board. It's not something you want to get wrong. Ask any question on either of these 2 forums and you will get an accurate reply within a day. The Moderators on these board are active and always correct. I only trust their answers and not the other yahoos on the board. Same goes for all online boards. Learn who knows what they are actually talking about.

This would be a good current thread to ask the questions that have been asked below. [URL]https://aseannow.com/topic/1291077-thailand-reverses-visa-policy-for-tourists-from-60-countries/?utm_campaign=NL&utm_medium=email&utm_source=NL[/URL].

[QUOTE=RakSopheni;2804288]You don't need an e-visa. As an American you get an automatic 30 day exemption extendable to 60 days. Then just do a visa run and come right back in for another 30. This article explains how to do it in Pattaya: [URL]https://pattayasanook.com/extending-thai-tourist-visa-pattaya-jomtien/[/URL].[/QUOTE]E-Visa is pretty easy to get and it only costs about $40 USD. That avoids the headaches of your first 30 day extension.

[QUOTE=HorseTrader;2804505]E-Visa is pretty easy to get and it only costs about $40 USD. That avoids the headaches of your first 30 day extension.[/QUOTE]I went ahead and got (applied) for one. Wasn't too difficult. The most annoying thing was making all the jpgs and pdfs of scanned pages of my passport travel over the last year and the uploading of all proofs of booking. If you're good with that's stuff should go quick.

[QUOTE=RakSopheni;2804587]I went ahead and got (applied) for one. Wasn't too difficult. The most annoying thing was making all the jpgs and pdfs of scanned pages of my passport travel over the last year and the uploading of all proofs of booking. If you're good with that's stuff should go quick.[/QUOTE]I've gotten 3 E-Visas and there has only been one problem. You need to take a selfie and I consistently get an automated warning that says it appears there is more than one person in the picture. I'd retake the picture many times with different shirt and totally bland background and I still get the same automated warning. I submit that picture and visa gets approved without problem.

I definitely encourage using the E-Visa for those staying longer than 30 days.

Is anyone here using the Thailand Elite Visa? Just want to know how smooth it is entering and exiting Thailand as often as you want. Do you really get priority with zero wait time or questions? I'm considering just doing that.

If so and you don't want others to know you can PM me.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2803594]45 days is no more. 30 days only moving forward. You can still extend your 30 days to 60 days.[/QUOTE]That's a pity. Was hoping they'd extend so I would not have to spend half a day at that mall in Bangkok again this summer, though it does make it extra tempting to spend some days eating sushi in Japan and reset the Thai-counter at the same time.

A tip for others doing the extension: there's a more than decent gym on the same floor with reasonable day-pass prices.

For those guys with girlfriends back in Pattaya, remember that even if you send them money, they still look for men, whether a Farang boyfriend or Thai boy.

My rule is not fuck bargirls who have a real Farang boyfriend. It takes a lot of Tequila for a lady to be able to give a truthful answer. If they admit that their Farang is just a customer, they get fucked.

I had a silicon enhanced MILF over last night, she has a real boyfriend. You can tell when a lady has a real committment to her boyfriend, but once the tequila hit, it was full time complaints about her boyfriend and how she wants to leave him. But, I still didn't fuck her, even after she told me she wanted to go to Singapore with me.

I'm on my 3rd set of antibiotics in about 12 months, and while previous were a precaution recommended by doc after seeing negative results from urine tests, this time nicely positive for both gonorrhea and clam. Less than fantastic times right now, but looking back at all the barebacks I'd say worth it.

But for real gents. How do you manage and / or protect from this (I'm in BKK but applicable in general, hence posting in General)? Both can be transmitted through blowjobs too, even if I wear a hoodie for the FS. Always a hoodie? No BJs? Life without BJs or CBJs. I think I prefer occasional antibios.

Heard an old folks tale of peeing and washing up with soap shortly after the deed and well. It's an old folks tale, reconfirming here.

[QUOTE=ZenMinded1;2805325]

Heard an old folks tale of peeing and washing up with soap shortly after the deed and well. It's an old folks tale, reconfirming here.[/QUOTE]With PREP and a doctor able to write a script for antibiotics, this is the way. There's a reason that nature wants you to flush the pipes after the waterworks.

[QUOTE=ZenMinded1;2805325]Heard an old folks tale of peeing and washing up with soap shortly after the deed and well. It's an old folks tale, reconfirming here.[/QUOTE]I just finished several weeks mongering in Thailand and that is what I did after many BBFS sessions. About midway through my trip I had some penis pain which was likely due to too much rough sex with girl on top and insufficient hardness. No dripping and no pain while urinating. Nevertheless, I took 1000 MG of Azithromycin and abstained for about 36 hours and the pain disappeared. Upon my return home I had extensive STD testing and everything was negative.

I certainly don't know how effective the "wash and pee" routine is, but it worked for me.

Rather I should say, the piss and wipe should be done for no reason other than to clean yourself.

When you shit, you wipe. Do you need to wipe? Technically speaking, no, you don't. But you are overall much cleaner and healthier if you do wipe (and later shower) than if you don't.

[QUOTE=ZenMinded1;2805325]I'm on my 3rd set of antibiotics in about 12 months, and while previous were a precaution recommended by doc after seeing negative results from urine tests, this time nicely positive for both gonorrhea and clam.

But for real gents. How do you manage and / or protect from this (I'm in BKK but applicable in general, hence posting in General)? [/QUOTE]The real question is where are you getting these infected chicks from?

Going to want to be careful with antibiotics. After a while it won't work and you will need to rotate to others. After a while you run out of antibiotics that work. Shots and IV work better than oral, but no worries looks like you are headed there anyway. Stay safe.

[QUOTE=ZenMinded1;2805325]I'm on my 3rd set of antibiotics in about 12 months, and while previous were a precaution recommended by doc after seeing negative results from urine tests, this time nicely positive for both gonorrhea and clam. Less than fantastic times right now, but looking back at all the barebacks I'd say worth it.

But for real gents. How do you manage and / or protect from this (I'm in BKK but applicable in general, hence posting in General)? Both can be transmitted through blowjobs too, even if I wear a hoodie for the FS. Always a hoodie? No BJs? Life without BJs or CBJs. I think I prefer occasional antibios.

Heard an old folks tale of peeing and washing up with soap shortly after the deed and well. It's an old folks tale, reconfirming here.[/QUOTE]Yeah I sure hope you're jesting about it being worth it. 3rd set of antibiotics in a year is past insanity. But to help answer your question here's some of things I do to help avoid future craping out on your dick. Because as you know we all put our dick on the line and roll the dice when smashing new pussy BUT you should ALWAYS be hedging your bet for a great outcome and watching the percentages.

Lets talk Hedging Your Bet for a Great Outcome which is NO std!!

Ima be a little graphic like my man Kevin Samuels but it needs to addressed. 1st cleanliness is paramount. Especially BEFORE sex. So wash your ass. No seriously get in your ass and get those dingle berries out of it. Soap up and around you private areas extensively and if you're uncircumcised, pull your foreskin back and clean it throughly. Because if you do not then bacteria will build up from within. The reason why you should be clean down there before sex is because it helps mitagate any bacteria and dirt on your end which helps.

Next up I highly recommend that you do NOT do what the pornstars do and shave all your pubic hair that makes you look like a 5 yr kid, rocking a care bear lunch box. Having pubic hair is actually protection for your private area so I suggest keeping it nice and neat but do NOT shave it all off. Also be aware of when you're doing your man-scaping. When you're using clippers to keep the balls nice and smooth so the ladies don't cough up a hairball while she's licking them, you may incidentally have made a small cut on your self. Nothing major but it broke the skin barrier, which will cause you to bleed easy and be more easily acceptable to dieases. My advice is if you're about to go Caligula and have your fun with the hunnys and you need a shape up down there, that atleast 3 days PRIOR you do your manscaping. That way any small knicks from it should be healed up by then.

Now the aftermath. You found a new hunny dip and you went raw dogg and busted deep in the pussy. AMAZING feeling aint it. That "Kenja taimu" as my Japanese brothers would call it, aka that post nut clarity. Feels so good that you want to take a quick nap. And this is where hedging your bet for a great outcome will be critical. DO NOT lay and fall asleep into the pussy afterwards. I repeat DO NOT lay and fall asleep into the pussy. You could be lying in a cess pool of vineral dieases and not even know it. So immediately after you've achieved your Kenja taimu, get your ass up, take a piss (that does helps ALOT) and get into the shower. Fuck a bird bath like some of theses ladies do, you get your grown ass in the shower and "extensively" wash your private areas again. After you dry off get some "rubbing alcohol" and splash on your dick and private areas. Yeah I know it going to sting and sounds crazy but my great uncle that was slanging dick before both of us was born put me on game in using rubbing alcohol afterwards and I got to say it helped as I dodge more bullets then Neo in the Matrix. So yeah buy some rubbing alcohol and some flushable wipeits.

Cool, so now your privates are fresh and clean again which increases your odds of not getting infected. So now you finally take that nap. Next thing you know the hunny dip wakes up ol king cobra with him in her mouth then proceeds to put on her cowgirl hat and ride you like a wild stallion. YEE-HAW!! Great times indeed. So what do you do afterwards. Thats right, you go and wash your private areas extensively again. EVERYTIME you fuck this NEW chick, that you do NOT know, RAW dog, you go and wash up afterwards. And yes you put on that rubbing alcohol in the end. Now I know what you're saying, this is alot just to increase your odds of NOT getting infected because nothings guaranteed. But I invite you to hold your dick as you read this and take a hard look at him. We only get one so cherish it more then gold, diamonds and pearls. Its the architect of starting wars and creating familys. So look at it and make the commitment in taking care of your manhood proper and I guarantee youll land on lucky 7 more times then craping out.

P.S. Was going to write another segment on "watching the percentages with the ladies" and what you should bring at a BJ bar / casas etc but got tired of writing. If you, or anybody else want me to break it down more then just let me know.

Peace.

All about regular showering pre and post action. Good thing is Thai gals are generally the same. And the tip on post Bush trim is very very important; those tiny nicks are tiny doors just waiting for a bug to crawl in.

I'm loathe to slather rubbing alcohol on my block and tackle. I use sanitary wipes that became popular during the pandemic.

Any thoughts on the utility of post DATY mouthwash? Makes the mouth feel fresh but I doubt that it really kills off any chlamydia or herpes Ickes.

[QUOTE=CoolieHigh;2805719]Yeah I sure hope you're jesting about it being worth it. 3rd set of antibiotics in a year is past insanity. But to help answer your question here's some of things I do to help avoid future craping out on your dick. Because as you know we all put our dick on the line and roll the dice when smashing new pussy BUT you should ALWAYS be hedging your bet for a great outcome and watching the percentages.

Lets talk Hedging Your Bet for a Great Outcome which is NO std!!

Ima be a little graphic like my man Kevin Samuels but it needs to addressed. 1st cleanliness is paramount. Especially BEFORE sex. So wash your ass. No seriously get in your ass and get those dingle berries out of it. Soap up and around you private areas extensively and if you're uncircumcised, pull your foreskin back and clean it throughly. Because if you do not then bacteria will build up from within. The reason why you should be clean down there before sex is because it helps mitagate any bacteria and dirt on your end which helps.

Next up I highly recommend that you do NOT do what the pornstars do and shave all your pubic hair that makes you look like a 5 yr kid, rocking a care bear lunch box. Having pubic hair is actually protection for your private area so I suggest keeping it nice and neat but do NOT shave it all off. Also be aware of when you're doing your man-scaping. When you're using clippers to keep the balls nice and smooth so the ladies don't cough up a hairball while she's licking them, you may incidentally have made a small cut on your self. Nothing major but it broke the skin barrier, which will cause you to bleed easy and be more easily acceptable to dieases. My advice is if you're about to go Caligula and have your fun with the hunnys and you need a shape up down there, that atleast 3 days PRIOR you do your manscaping. That way any small knicks from it should be healed up by then.

Now the aftermath. You found a new hunny dip and you went raw dogg and busted deep in the pussy. AMAZING feeling aint it. That "Kenja taimu" as my Japanese brothers would call it, aka that post nut clarity. Feels so good that you want to take a quick nap. And this is where hedging your bet for a great outcome will be critical. DO NOT lay and fall asleep into the pussy afterwards. I repeat DO NOT lay and fall asleep into the pussy. You could be lying in a cess pool of vineral dieases and not even know it. So immediately after you've achieved your Kenja taimu, get your ass up, take a piss (that does helps ALOT) and get into the shower. Fuck a bird bath like some of theses ladies do, you get your grown ass in the shower and "extensively" wash your private areas again. After you dry off get some "rubbing alcohol" and splash on your dick and private areas. Yeah I know it going to sting and sounds crazy but my great uncle that was slanging dick before both of us was born put me on game in using rubbing alcohol afterwards and I got to say it helped as I dodge more bullets then Neo in the Matrix. So yeah buy some rubbing alcohol and some flushable wipeits.

Cool, so now your privates are fresh and clean again which increases your odds of not getting infected. So now you finally take that nap. Next thing you know the hunny dip wakes up ol king cobra with him in her mouth then proceeds to put on her cowgirl hat and ride you like a wild stallion. YEE-HAW!! Great times indeed. So what do you do afterwards. Thats right, you go and wash your private areas extensively again. EVERYTIME you fuck this NEW chick, that you do NOT know, RAW dog, you go and wash up afterwards. And yes you put on that rubbing alcohol in the end. Now I know what you're saying, this is alot just to increase your odds of NOT getting infected because nothings guaranteed. But I invite you to hold your dick as you read this and take a hard look at him. We only get one so cherish it more then gold, diamonds and pearls. Its the architect of starting wars and creating familys. So look at it and make the commitment in taking care of your manhood proper and I guarantee youll land on lucky 7 more times then craping out.

P.S. Was going to write another segment on "watching the percentages with the ladies" and what you should bring at a BJ bar / casas etc but got tired of writing. If you, or anybody else want me to break it down more then just let me know.

Peace.[/QUOTE]

Well thanks gents, this certainly got some attention.

When I monger I monger. If a girl is ok raw, I go in raw, if she says ok cum inside I cum inside. Never forcing anything, always wondering a bit on what i'm doing is smart - of course it's fucking stupid and risky, that's part of why i like doing it, breaking all the rules. It goes without much talk between me and the lady that what we're doing is non-repeatable, I'm perfectly aware of all the risks, pickup chicks from gogos, street, fiwfans, wherever (of course. Not all want to go raw). I do pee and wash off after but something certainly walked in OR was there for a longer time and now got active as my immunity system dropped due to unrelated issue.

The rubbing alcohol thing is interesting, thanks for that, as is PREP. But it seems to me that this remains one of the side-effects of mongering, so what to do. Yes keen to hear about what to bring to BJ bars and what to do for DATY as I'm a big fan of both.

Last night banged a Tanzanian picked up on soi 4, in her room, still on antibios but interestingly this one only wanted kissing on the lips and CBJ and CFS which was perfectly fine for me in this particular instance (yes yes... i hear the OH NOOOOs from you but hey... sometimes a man wants a tequila bottle and sometimes just an orange juice, no?)

Thankfully, age is catching up with me. As my sex drive slowly decreases my enjoyment of just sitting in a bar sipping my drink while a nice lady plays with my privates over clothes keeps increasing.

[QUOTE=ZenMinded1;2805744]
The rubbing alcohol thing is interesting, thanks for that, as is PREP. But it seems to me that this remains one of the side-effects of mongering, so what to do. Yes keen to hear about what to bring to BJ bars and what to do for DATY as I'm a big fan of both.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Chacal60;2805739]I'm loathe to slather rubbing alcohol on my block and tackle. I use sanitary wipes that became popular during the pandemic.

Any thoughts on the utility of post DATY mouthwash? Makes the mouth feel fresh but I doubt that it really kills off any chlamydia or herpes Ickes.[/QUOTE]Think about it gents, when you scrape a knee as a child what did your mom probably do, she put some alcohol on the area to make sure it didn't get "infected". I know it sounds crazy and it does sting like a moutha but I rather deal with that sting then that sting of when you can hardly pee because you now got the clap.

In regards to DATY using mouthwash as well as literally cleaning your lips and mustache and beard area of the face with soap afterwards is good as well but to be honest the best strategy in doing DATY is by watching the percentages. So what do I mean by that. The greater the chance a female is out there fucking any and every guy the greater the chance she picks up something and possibly pass it on to you. So a freelancing chick, bar girls there chance of fucking alot dudes are VERY high so because of that I'm NOT dining on southern cuisine (DATY) with those chicks until they get tested. And even then I'm still cautious because they have such a high body count. And before a man still takes that risk because he enjoys DATY and pleasing a women ask yourself, would you kiss a female at a BJ bar. Oooh HELL NO. So yeah don't do it.

Now females that are semi-pro that may work but is down to make money on the side is a judgment call. How she carries herself as a women, does she take pride in her looks and how she smell down there is a big indicator on if you should DATY or not. I know we all know this but SMELL is a huge indicator. If the pussy don't smell right abort going down on her. Matter of fact abort the whole raw dog operation as well. If you have to hold your nose while you're hitting it from the back that's a NO bueno.

And finally non-pros. They traditionally have the lowest probabilitiy so odds are in your favor but I still think you should make the judgment call with her like you would with semi-pros. The sure best way though to be in the clear is to just get her quickly tested. Pay the 40-60 dollar fee, youll get her results back in a couple days max and you can go scuba diving in the pussy for as long as you want. Side-note: when asking for a girl to get tested be prepared for her to return the same sentiment with her asking you to get tested as well.

In regards to BJ bar or casas where you can have sex at you should bring a small bottle of rubbing alcohol and some wipeits. Ooh and order a bottle of water alongside with your beer to help flush out your system. So after you skeet skeet in a girls mouth go to the bathroom and pee and then take the rubbing alcohol and splash it on your dick. Again I know its going to sting but man up. Then pour some alcohol on the wipeits and clean your shaft and private areas. If you plan to chill at the bar afterwards I recommend you drink another bottle of water to help flush out your system again. Now when you get home do NOT go to sleep. I don't care how drunk you are, hop in the shower real quick and put soap to your dick and private areas and you should be good to go.

BTW in regards to DATY if you accidentally bit your lip or have a small tear in your mouth wait until that heals before giving a lady pleasure.

True words of both wisdom, and common sense. Well said.

Honestly, should be common sense. Cleaning yourself promotes health. If it smells bad, don't lick it and don't put your dick in it.

[QUOTE=Tvataham274;2806056]True words of both wisdom, and common sense. Well said.

Honestly, should be common sense. Cleaning yourself promotes health. If it smells bad, don't lick it and don't put your dick in it.[/QUOTE]So true. If you don't do the sniff test before DATY you could be making a mistake. I was in a local massage joint yesterday (USA) and girl wanted me to DATY. I did the finger test / sniff and did not pass the so just stuck with happy ending.

Thai General Election is on May 14th, understand alcohol is banned from night of 13th until polls close on night of 14th?

I've also seen that there may be an early election day on 7th and same rules will apply with alcohol being banned from night of 6th?

6th is right in middle of my upcoming trip, might not be end of world as it gives me a nice break from boozing, but I'the prefer option. Anyone know if this is correct? Aware things can change often.

Apologies if this has already been asked, did a search but couldn't find anything relevant.

[QUOTE=Muttley81;2806652]Thai General Election is on May 14th, understand alcohol is banned from night of 13th until polls close on night of 14th?

I've also seen that there may be an early election day on 7th and same rules will apply with alcohol being banned from night of 6th?

6th is right in middle of my upcoming trip, might not be end of world as it gives me a nice break from boozing, but I'the prefer option. Anyone know if this is correct? Aware things can change often.

Apologies if this has already been asked, did a search but couldn't find anything relevant.[/QUOTE]No drinking may mean no beer goggles and better performance.

Teltel.

[QUOTE=Muttley81;2806652]Thai General Election is on May 14th, understand alcohol is banned from night of 13th until polls close on night of 14th?

I've also seen that there may be an early election day on 7th and same rules will apply with alcohol being banned from night of 6th?

6th is right in middle of my upcoming trip, might not be end of world as it gives me a nice break from boozing, but I'the prefer option. Anyone know if this is correct? Aware things can change often.

Apologies if this has already been asked, did a search but couldn't find anything relevant.[/QUOTE]Don't know the dates specifically but yeah this makes sense, some elections and certain holidays, no booze is supposed to be sold. Some places will just outright ignore the ban, others won't. I've always been able to find booze during dry days without much issue.

I try not to appear on photos that bargirls post on Facebook. Or in their video chats with other people.

And I advise bargirls to be careful what they post, if they have Farang sponsors. But most tell me their sponsor does not play Facebook, or they block him.

One lady who has a full time Farang customer posts photos of me on Facebook 2 or 3 times a week. She insists he never sees.

But I know some ladies who have lost sponsors due to careless posting. I certainly don't want to be the cause of a lady losing a sponsor.

[QUOTE=CoolieHigh;2805850]Think about it gents, when you scrape a knee as a child what did your mom probably do, she put some alcohol on the area to make sure it didn't get "infected". I know it sounds crazy and it does sting like a moutha but I rather deal with that sting then that sting of when you can hardly pee because you now got the clap.

In regards to DATY using mouthwash as well as literally cleaning your lips and mustache and beard area of the face with soap afterwards is good as well but to be honest the best strategy in doing DATY is by watching the percentages. So what do I mean by that. The greater the chance a female is out there fucking any and every guy the greater the chance she picks up something and possibly pass it on to you. So a freelancing chick, bar girls there chance of fucking alot dudes are VERY high so because of that I'm NOT dining on southern cuisine (DATY) with those chicks until they get tested. And even then I'm still cautious because they have such a high body count. And before a man still takes that risk because he enjoys DATY and pleasing a women ask yourself, would you kiss a female at a BJ bar. Oooh HELL NO. So yeah don't do it..[/QUOTE]Would you say hand sanitizer is a viable rubbing alcohol substitute? Especially when you're not at your hotel and at a BJ bar or what have you.

[QUOTE=CaliGuy33;2807680]Would you say hand sanitizer is a viable rubbing alcohol substitute? Especially when you're not at your hotel and at a BJ bar or what have you.[/QUOTE]Naw I wouldn't recommend using hand sanitzer at all. Rubbing alcohol is used for "cleaning" and "disinfection" while hand sanitizes are used primarily for killing just microbes on hand.

[QUOTE=CoolieHigh;2808492]Naw I wouldn't recommend using hand sanitzer at all. Rubbing alcohol is used for "cleaning" and "disinfection" while hand sanitizes are used primarily for killing just microbes on hand.[/QUOTE]I would agree but for different reasons. Rubbing alcohol is usually 70% isopropyl alcohol and the rest is distilled water. The hand sanitizer I have is 70% Ethyl alcohol and a whole list of other ingredients. The other added ingredients are mainly added to combat the drying effect alcohol has on the skin. But some have added perfumes to make it smell nice. So I would not put hand sanitizer on a sensitive area of the body or use it to treat a wound. You can always whisky or Tequila. They are mostly Ethyl alcohol and water.

I gather Thailand's become rather pricey post-covid? Any other places people are going in preference to get more bang for their buck?

[QUOTE=AddictedToWomen;2814455]I gather Thailand's become rather pricey post-covid? Any other places people are going in preference to get more bang for their buck?[/QUOTE]How did you gather that? The only thing pricey is the gogo bars. And to me those have always been pricey. If you are not a gogo bar person then it is the same as it ever was. Except I used to be able to get chicks on Soi 6 for 700 plus the room; now they want 1000 plus the room. Still no problem fucking chicks in massage parlors for 500 or having them come over all night for 1000.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2814464]How did you gather that? The only thing pricey is the gogo bars. And to me those have always been pricey. If you are not a gogo bar person then it is the same as it ever was. Except I used to be able to get chicks on Soi 6 for 700 plus the room; now they want 1000 plus the room. Still no problem fucking chicks in massage parlors for 500 or having them come over all night for 1000.[/QUOTE]Can you be a bit more specific on where in soi 6 and which massage parlors?

I got BBFS just yesterday for 1 k but that was Chiang Mai. In BKK across town I never got shop+BJ for less than 1 k, let alone FS.

[QUOTE=ZenMinded1;2814508]Can you be a bit more specific on where in soi 6 and which massage parlors?.[/QUOTE]Pattaya. No specific place. Soi 6 there are tons of fuck bars and throughout the city there are tons of massage places. Pick your poison.

I told my friend I doubt it but he was wondering if they ladies take crypto currencies. Trying to find a way to spend his crypto without Uncle Sam finding out LOL.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2814532]Pattaya. No specific place. Soi 6 there are tons of fuck bars and throughout the city there are tons of massage places. Pick your poison.[/QUOTE]Ayyy okay I was thinking soi 6 sukhumvit Bangkok Thanks!

[QUOTE=AddictedToWomen;2814455]I gather Thailand's become rather pricey post-covid? Any other places people are going in preference to get more bang for their buck?[/QUOTE]Prices aren't substantially different, things have gone up a little due to inflation and the general increase you'd see in other big cities in the world and tourist destinations.

The baht has also been on a rebound right now, stabilizing again around 34-35 baht per $1 USD, so tourists have a little more money right now, but not enough to change too much on the ground. Thai sex businesses have little understanding or concepts behind pricing, they just kinda decide a price and like, that's the price, its not well thought out.

Apparently all alcohol serving places close at midnight tonight? Was told this in Soi Cowboy last night, where mamasan said to make sure I come early tonight for a good pick. She was saying it's Buddha birthday or something. Can anyone here validate this?

[QUOTE=Lcale1982;2814690]I told my friend I doubt it but he was wondering if they ladies take crypto currencies. Trying to find a way to spend his crypto without Uncle Sam finding out LOL.[/QUOTE]Not a chance.

[QUOTE=Lcale1982;2814690]I told my friend I doubt it but he was wondering if they ladies take crypto currencies. Trying to find a way to spend his crypto without Uncle Sam finding out LOL.[/QUOTE]He's a tax cheat? Tell him we have enough wackos and scammers here, find a better place to infect.

[QUOTE=ZenMinded1;2814508]Can you be a bit more specific on where in soi 6 and which massage parlors?

I got BBFS just yesterday for 1 k but that was Chiang Mai. In BKK across town I never got shop+BJ for less than 1 k, let alone FS.[/QUOTE]Are you ok with girls with wide heavy arms and legs. Old with odd teeth missing, etc.

Don't fall for his prices. His girls are not that in Demand.

Hello,

I saw some posts in the forums for how you should NOT use the ATM machines and instead should change cash.

There was even an advice of not using the change booths on the 2nd floor of BKK airport, preferring the ones on the Train Link floor (underground).

My findings as of 2023-06-20 are as follows:

1. My comparison is based on HKD (Hong Kong Dollars).

2. The rate on the 2nd floor of BKK airport was 3. 95 . This was both before immigration and after immigration.

3. The rate on the Train Link floor was 3. 98 .

4. When using the ATM in Pattaya (TTB machine on the street), there was an extra charge of 220 Baht. This could be significant if you only withdraw small amounts, but I have withdrawn THB 20,000 and then it's not very significant.

5. I was charged HKD 4650.05 by my Hong Kong bank, based on the bank transaction record.

6. The actual exchange for the transaction was therefore 4. 35 .

7. The "effective" exchange rate for the entire transaction (Paid HKD 4650.05; received THB 20,000) was therefore 4. 30 .

8. For reference, the posted average exchange rate between THB and HKD for the date of ATM withdrawal was 4. 45 .

I believe the ATM option was still much better in my case.

Please consider the above if you need cash.

[QUOTE=UnLe70;2828906]Hello,

I saw some posts in the forums for how you should NOT use the ATM machines and instead should change cash.

There was even an advice of not using the change booths on the 2nd floor of BKK airport, preferring the ones on the Train Link floor (underground).

My findings as of 2023-06-20 are as follows:

1. My comparison is based on HKD (Hong Kong Dollars).

2. The rate on the 2nd floor of BKK airport was 3. 95 . This was both before immigration and after immigration.

3. The rate on the Train Link floor was 3. 98 .

4. When using the ATM in Pattaya (TTB machine on the street), there was an extra charge of 220 Baht. This could be significant if you only withdraw small amounts, but I have withdrawn THB 20,000 and then it's not very significant.

5. I was charged HKD 4650.05 by my Hong Kong bank, based on the bank transaction record.

6. The actual exchange for the transaction was therefore 4. 35 .

7. The "effective" exchange rate for the entire transaction (Paid HKD 4650.05; received THB 20,000) was therefore 4. 30 .

8. For reference, the posted average exchange rate between THB and HKD for the date of ATM withdrawal was 4. 45 .

I believe the ATM option was still much better in my case.

Please consider the above if you need cash.[/QUOTE]Looks like you got your change at the airport? I feel like that's the worst place to get it. It's the first booth youll see and easiest access so they don't need competitive rates.

My trip was in Jan of 2023. I went to like 8 different ATMs at Bangkok to see if it did give better rate than those booth. Like he mentioned, they all seem to charge the 220 flat fee. Some though will charge a percentage fee so watch out for those ATMs. The first one I went to I got a little better rate than those booths all around Bangkok. But all the others was a lot worse rate then the booths, and I'm not even taking into account the flat fee since I get reimbursed for that. I was always google the rate at the time I took money out from ATM to compare. Base off of per $100 US the fee came out to as low as 8 baht but mostly in the 30's baht per $100 US I exchanged. Don't recall the exact rate at booth but I believe it was around 12 baht fee per 100 $ based off of the exchange rate I'd see on google. It's very minor difference but from my short experiment I'm sticking to booths, unless I'm out of US 100's and need more cash.

The "baht fee" is what I'm calling the difference in the exchange rate I see on google than what I receive. So if google has it at $100 US to 3400 baht and I got back 3380, the baht fee would be 20 bhat per 100.

Also if you're at a place that takes credit card. I always got exact rate or even better (compared to google) at time of purchase. Did that like at more expensive restaurants and other activities, like bowlling, watching movie. Of course use a CC that doesn't have foreign transaction fee.

Charles schwab reimburse ATM fees, not sure if people outside of the States can make an acct with them or not. They could be other banks that has this same offer with reimbursement for fees.

TLDR: use the booth to exchange, CC for places that accept them, and last resort ATM and hopefully you have one that reimburse ATM fees.

[QUOTE=Lcale1982;2829174]
Charles schwab reimburse ATM fees, not sure if people outside of the States can make an acct with them or not. They could be other banks that has this same offer with reimbursement for fees.[/QUOTE]Fidelity does the same thing and they also provide a good exchange rate.

A few times I've looked at the cash exchange rates posted and then did my Fidelity ATM withdraw. The next day I would check my Fidelity online statement and Fidelity has always given me a better overall exchange rate than the cash exchange booths.

[QUOTE=HorseTrader;2829184]Fidelity does the same thing and they also provide a good exchange rate.

A few times I've looked at the cash exchange rates posted and then did my Fidelity ATM withdraw. The next day I would check my Fidelity online statement and Fidelity has always given me a better overall exchange rate than the cash exchange booths.[/QUOTE]Exactly right.

[QUOTE=HorseTrader;2829184]Fidelity does the same thing and they also provide a good exchange rate.

A few times I've looked at the cash exchange rates posted and then did my Fidelity ATM withdraw. The next day I would check my Fidelity online statement and Fidelity has always given me a better overall exchange rate than the cash exchange booths.[/QUOTE]Ahh nice, guess your Banks card is another variable to consider, didn't seem worth it with Schwab.

[QUOTE=Lcale1982;2829293]Ahh nice, guess your Banks card is another variable to consider, didn't seem worth it with Schwab.[/QUOTE]Why do you say it did not seem worth it with Schwab? You absolutely do not have to pay anything and get the best rate plus you get interest on your account. So hell, they are paying you to use it! I have had Schwab for years and it is definitely worth it. I used to bring money to exchange and deposit it into my Thai account. I do not even bring cash anymore. I just withdraw it from Krungsri or TMB (can withdraw 30,000 baht at a time with them) and deposit it into my Kasikorn (used to have the most ATMs, but after covid you can hardly find one) account. Before Schwab I had HSBC because they had machines in a lot of countries so I did not have to pay a fee.

[QUOTE=Lcale1982;2829174]Looks like you got your change at the airport? I feel like that's the worst place to get it. It's the first booth youll see and easiest access so they don't need competitive rates.

My trip was in Jan of 2023. I went to like 8 different ATMs at Bangkok to see if it did give better rate than those booth. Like he mentioned, they all seem to charge the 220 flat fee. Some though will charge a percentage fee so watch out for those ATMs. The first one I went to I got a little better rate than those booths all around Bangkok. But all the others was a lot worse rate then the booths, and I'm not even taking into account the flat fee since I get reimbursed for that. I was always google the rate at the time I took money out from ATM to compare. Base off of per $100 US the fee came out to as low as 8 baht but mostly in the 30's baht per $100 US I exchanged. Don't recall the exact rate at booth but I believe it was around 12 baht fee per 100 $ based off of the exchange rate I'd see on google. It's very minor difference but from my short experiment I'm sticking to booths, unless I'm out of US 100's and need more cash.

The "baht fee" is what I'm calling the difference in the exchange rate I see on google than what I receive. So if google has it at $100 US to 3400 baht and I got back 3380, the baht fee would be 20 bhat per 100.


Also if you're at a place that takes credit card. I always got exact rate or even better (compared to google) at time of purchase. Did that like at more expensive restaurants and other activities, like bowlling, watching movie. Of course use a CC that doesn't have foreign transaction fee.

Charles schwab reimburse ATM fees, not sure if people outside of the States can make an acct with them or not. They could be other banks that has this same offer with reimbursement for fees.

TLDR: use the booth to exchange, CC for places that accept them, and last resort ATM and hopefully you have one that reimburse ATM fees.[/QUOTE]Not so sure in Bangkok but Casino's have the best exchange rates. Agree with CC with no foreign fees, always charge in local currency. F you are an "accredited investor" then Schwab, Fidelity, VAnguard, Etrade no charges at all.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2829302].. You absolutely do not have to pay anything and get the best rate plus you get interest on your account. So hell, they are paying you to use it! I have had Schwab for years and it is definitely worth it.[/QUOTE]We have established that Fidelity and Schwab return the 220 baht ATM fees and give good exchange rates. Are there any others? I know that Wells Fargo, PNC, and M&T do not give a sweet deal. Discover Bank ATM cards are not even usable in Thailand.

[QUOTE=HorseTrader;2829404]We have established that Fidelity and Schwab return the 220 baht ATM fees and give good exchange rates. Are there any others? I know that Wells Fargo, PNC, and M&T do not give a sweet deal. Discover Bank ATM cards are not even usable in Thailand.[/QUOTE]No idea. I think before someone said TD Ameritrade but they changed the policy.

[QUOTE=HorseTrader;2829404]We have established that Fidelity and Schwab return the 220 baht ATM fees and give good exchange rates. Are there any others? I know that Wells Fargo, PNC, and M&T do not give a sweet deal. Discover Bank ATM cards are not even usable in Thailand.[/QUOTE]These are the only two I am aware of. Schwab has been a mainstay for years now and I have always used them for my travels.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2829302]Why do you say it did not seem worth it with Schwab? You absolutely do not have to pay anything and get the best rate plus you get interest on your account. So hell, they are paying you to use it! I have had Schwab for years and it is definitely worth it. I used to bring money to exchange and deposit it into my Thai account. I do not even bring cash anymore. I just withdraw it from Krungsri or TMB (can withdraw 30,000 baht at a time with them) and deposit it into my Kasikorn (used to have the most ATMs, but after covid you can hardly find one) account. Before Schwab I had HSBC because they had machines in a lot of countries so I did not have to pay a fee.[/QUOTE]So from my experience I got better rate at the booth compared to ATM, that's what I meant, but yea definitely better than the other ATM cards that don't reimburse. ID save like 1 us dollar per 100 exchanged with the booths so very minimal difference.

[QUOTE=Lcale1982;2829447]So from my experience I got better rate at the booth compared to ATM, that's what I meant, but yea definitely better than the other ATM cards that don't reimburse. ID save like 1 us dollar per 100 exchanged with the booths so very minimal difference.[/QUOTE]A better rate than them is 1 in a 100 exchange places.

[QUOTE=TConor;2829470]A better rate than them is 1 in a 100 exchange places.[/QUOTE]LOL, its easy to see which booth are the best rates and yea I just go to those. They're all over the place in patt / bkk. That tiny saving probably wont matter to most and no hassle of carrying around so much cash to exchange. I still have it on hand if i do end up using all my cash. Just giving my 2 cents, no need try to start a troll war lol

[QUOTE=HorseTrader;2829404]We have established that Fidelity and Schwab return the 220 baht ATM fees and give good exchange rates. Are there any others? I know that Wells Fargo, PNC, and M&T do not give a sweet deal. Discover Bank ATM cards are not even usable in Thailand.[/QUOTE]Fidelity, Schwab, Vanguard, Etrade, Interactive Brokers, and on are all brokerage accounts. They don't charge fees of any kind. Heck, I transferred 20 G US $ into my "Nieces" account overseas and zero charges.

Hi.

Anybody know of a Taxi service from Bangkok Airport to Pattaya for 1000 Bht.

If Yes please supply the link.

I tried Nams Taxi Lady drivers. They now want 1200 Bht.

Thanks.

TC.

[QUOTE=Tcvve;2829634]Anybody know of a Taxi service from Bangkok airport to Pattaya for 1,000 baht? I tried Nams Taxi. They now want 1,200.[/QUOTE]At 34.5 baht to the USA This lad is worried about $5.80. Perhaps the Bell Bus is more his style. The one-way fare from BKK to Pattaya is 300.

[URL]https://belltravelservice.com/shared-transfer/[/URL]

Bunky

[QUOTE=Bunky;2829650]At 34.5 baht to the USA This lad is worried about $5.80. Perhaps the Bell Bus is more his style. The one-way fare from BKK to Pattaya is 300.

[URL]https://belltravelservice.com/shared-transfer/[/URL]

Bunky[/QUOTE]LOL, awesome reply.

I take the 180 baht bus if I remember correctly. If I was taking a taxi I would not balk at 200 baht difference. Either be a cheap charlie and take the bus like me or be a VIP guy and take a taxi.

[QUOTE=Bunky;2829650]At 34.5 baht to the USA This lad is worried about $5.80. Perhaps the Bell Bus is more his style. The one-way fare from BKK to Pattaya is 300.

[URL]https://belltravelservice.com/shared-transfer/[/URL]

Bunky[/QUOTE]Bell travel doesn't leave at 2: am.

Will be for the very first time in Thailand (BKK) next month for a short 5 day stay and looking forward to fun times ahead & will report back on the BKK thread. Now the problem is I have a very sensitive stomach that gives trouble frequently. (Probably Indigestion / Gastritis or GERD to be specific). The doctor is not able to find out the exact cause of this nuisance. I'm guessing more on the terms of "Functional Dyspepsia".

With that in mind, I will have to limit my consumption of alcohol & fizzy drinks to zero as alcohol aggravates all gastric related issues. Can I sit at a bar & order a coconut water or fruit juice without offending staff? No problem with me buying lady drinks (alcohol) for a girl I like or even offering the mamasan a drink occasionally.

I'm already having a small about of indigestion at the moment and I'm a bit worried that drinking alcohol in BKK will further aggravate things.

[QUOTE=Tcvve;2829634]Anybody know of a Taxi service from Bangkok Airport to Pattaya for 1000 Bht.[/QUOTE]Dude just go upstairs to the 4th floor and go outside and cross over to the other side and tell the driver 1000. I have done this literally 100 times. I do not know why people keep obsessing over these taxi services or paying more than 1000.

[QUOTE=VickyCooper;2829666]Can I sit at a bar & order a coconut water or fruit juice without offending staff? No problem with me buying lady drinks (alcohol) for a girl I like or even offering the mamasan a drink occasionally..[/QUOTE]You can sit and buy anything you want. Sometimes I do not buy anything at all. Most of the time lady drink is not alcohol though. It will be watered down apple juice or may have just a drop of alcohol. But it will not be a normal drink as if you were buying it for yourself. When she gets it taste it to see.

[QUOTE=VickyCooper;2829666]Will be for the very first time in Thailand (BKK) next month for a short 5 day stay and looking forward to fun times ahead & will report back on the BKK thread. Now the problem is I have a very sensitive stomach that gives trouble frequently. (Probably Indigestion / Gastritis or GERD to be specific). The doctor is not able to find out the exact cause of this nuisance. I'm guessing more on the terms of "Functional Dyspepsia".

With that in mind, I will have to limit my consumption of alcohol & fizzy drinks to zero as alcohol aggravates all gastric related issues. Can I sit at a bar & order a coconut water or fruit juice without offending staff? No problem with me buying lady drinks (alcohol) for a girl I like or even offering the mamasan a drink occasionally.

I'm already having a small about of indigestion at the moment and I'm a bit worried that drinking alcohol in BKK will further aggravate things.[/QUOTE]Well yeah dude, they don't care what you drink as long as you do. Higher profit margins in soda and juice, have at it.

[QUOTE=VickyCooper;2829666]... Now the problem is I have a very sensitive stomach that gives trouble frequently. (Probably Indigestion / Gastritis or GERD to be specific). The doctor is not able to find out the exact cause of this nuisance. I'm guessing more on the terms of "Functional Dyspepsia".

With that in mind, I will have to limit my consumption of alcohol & fizzy drinks to zero as alcohol aggravates all gastric related issues. Can I sit at a bar & order a coconut water or fruit juice without offending staff? No problem with me buying lady drinks (alcohol) for a girl I like or even offering the mamasan a drink occasionally.

I'm already having a small about of indigestion at the moment and I'm a bit worried that drinking alcohol in BKK will further aggravate things.[/QUOTE]Have you tried stopping to drink ice-cold drinks? If I spend a few days drinking ice-cold drinks I get stomach ache with cramps and even diarrhea. The symptoms come up all at once after a few days.

[QUOTE=VickyCooper;2829666]... Now the problem is I have a very sensitive stomach that gives trouble frequently. (Probably Indigestion / Gastritis or GERD to be specific). The doctor is not able to find out the exact cause of this nuisance. I'm guessing more on the terms of "Functional Dyspepsia".

With that in mind, I will have to limit my consumption of alcohol & fizzy drinks to zero as alcohol aggravates all gastric related issues. Can I sit at a bar & order a coconut water or fruit juice without offending staff? No problem with me buying lady drinks (alcohol) for a girl I like or even offering the mamasan a drink occasionally.

I'm already having a small about of indigestion at the moment and I'm a bit worried that drinking alcohol in BKK will further aggravate things.[/QUOTE]Have you tried not drinking ice-cold drinks any more? If I spend a few days drinking ice-cold drinks I get stomach ache with cramps and even diarrhea. The symptoms have no precursors, they come up all of a sudden after a few days.

[QUOTE=XXL;2829829]If I spend a few days drinking ice-cold drinks I get stomach ache with cramps and even diarrhea. The symptoms come up all at once after a few days.[/QUOTE]The ice is made from Thai water that is likely contaminated or worse. If you don't drink water from a Thai tap don't get drinks with ice in them.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2829832]The ice is made from Thai water that is likely contaminated or worse. If you don't drink water from a Thai tap don't get drinks with ice in them.[/QUOTE]On principle it should not be contaminated being the ice factory made and not home made (from the tap). So it should respond to certain standards.

But we also know the "standards " in Thailand are very flexible and anyone can set a factory in the back yard.

The cold chain (in food) is also over broken. That's a fact. The reason why I don't eat from stalls, not because I am picky.

Our western body is not suited to many things off tropical countries, and there is also people weaker than others. Another fact we can't control ourselves.

Add the heat / humidity factors that might hurt some.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2829675]Dude just go upstairs to the 4th floor and go outside and cross over to the other side and tell the driver 1000. I have done this literally 100 times. I do not know why people keep obsessing over these taxi services or paying more than 1000.[/QUOTE]Well, at the same token I can't understand the obsession of saving 200 baht for 1-2-3 week holiday as a plus difference when ordering a dedicated car service for a 120 km ride. Cars and drivers not comparable with the city taxis. One has spent quite some money in flight ticket, hotel, plus the expected entertainment and food expenditures and 200 baht are a nuisance? A deal breaker?

Oh well, each one his own, of course.

Vietnam finally switching back to pre-COVID 90 day eVisa on August 15. They made it even better saying it's multi entry now. Guess I'll move home base from Japan / Korea to Vietnam soon. I've personally been waiting for 1 of the SEA countries (not Malaysia) to reinstate a 90 day Visa.

Why is this news in the Thailand thread? I believe Thailand needs to react quickly to lengthening their Visa to at least 45 days or Vietnam will dominate tourism in SEA.

[QUOTE=BionicMan;2829862]Well, at the same token I can't understand the obsession of saving 200 baht for 1-2-3 week holiday as a plus difference when ordering a dedicated car service for a 120 km ride. Cars and drivers not comparable with the city taxis. One has spent quite some money in flight ticket, hotel, plus the expected entertainment and food expenditures and 200 baht are a nuisance? A deal breaker?

Oh well, each one his own, of course.[/QUOTE]What does one have to do with the other? You are saying if 2 pretty much identical apples are next to each other but one costs $6 more than the other, then I should just buy the more expensive apple since I paid $1 million for my house.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2829878]Vietnam finally switching back to pre-COVID 90 day eVisa on August 15. They made it even better saying it's multi entry now. Guess I'll move home base from Japan / Korea to Vietnam soon. I've personally been waiting for 1 of the SEA countries (not Malaysia) to reinstate a 90 day Visa.

Why is this news in the Thailand thread? I believe Thailand needs to react quickly to lengthening their Visa to at least 45 days or Vietnam will dominate tourism in SEA.[/QUOTE]I agree, should be 45-60 days on arrival for most passports, at least western countries.

[QUOTE=BionicMan;2829861]On principle it should not be contaminated being the ice factory made and not home made (from the tap). So it should respond to certain standards.

But we also know the "standards " in Thailand are very flexible and anyone can set a factory in the back yard.

The cold chain (in food) is also over broken. That's a fact. The reason why I don't eat from stalls, not because I am picky.

Our western body is not suited to many things off tropical countries, and there is also people weaker than others. Another fact we can't control ourselves.

Add the heat / humidity factors that might hurt some.[/QUOTE]The ice in Thailand is safe to consume. It's all from filtered water from factories.

For those with sensitive stomachs and food poisoning concerns, only eat at restaurants and malls and mall food courts. That's what I try to do. The outdoor food stalls are a risk.

I ate from a turkish kebab stall at Tree Town in Pattaya last year and got the worst food poisoning of my life. I couldn't move for two days. My next trip I plan to only eat at the malls and hotel. Conveniently, malls are everywhere in Bangkok and Pattaya.

[QUOTE=BionicMan;2829862]Well, at the same token I can't understand the obsession of saving 200 baht for 1-2-3 week holiday as a plus difference when ordering a dedicated car service for a 120 km ride. Cars and drivers not comparable with the city taxis. One has spent quite some money in flight ticket, hotel, plus the expected entertainment and food expenditures and 200 baht are a nuisance? A deal breaker?

Oh well, each one his own, of course.[/QUOTE]Its not an obsession, its reality. The cost is 1000 baht. Why pay more? For a privately owned Toyota vis a vis one with colours? If I want a Benz, Ill call for one.

Its more about value for money, paying the fair price, viz: Its meter 250 B from my door to the corner of Suk and Soi 3 on a Sunday afternoon no traffic. Pus tip, no tolls.

So if someone tells me 300 B back at 0300 I'm not going to argue. 500? Next.

One early am, I flag down a cab. He tells me 500. OK, no thanks. Wait, 400! 300 I say, he says OK. Hmmmmm, that was easy. Off we go. Conversation: Are you finish tonight? Yes go home. Lightbulb goes off in my head. Where you live? *well its across the road from my condo*. Paid for going home! Fair price for going home! Two winners.

[QUOTE=BionicMan;2829861]On principle it should not be contaminated being the ice factory made and not home made (from the tap). So it should respond to certain standards.

But we also know the "standards " in Thailand are very flexible and anyone can set a factory in the back yard.

The cold chain (in food) is also over broken. That's a fact. The reason why I don't eat from stalls, not because I am picky.

Our western body is not suited to many things off tropical countries, and there is also people weaker than others. Another fact we can't control ourselves.

Add the heat / humidity factors that might hurt some.[/QUOTE]The ice in a decent venue is fine, otherwise the Thais would be sick too.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2829878]Why is this news in the Thailand thread? I believe Thailand needs to react quickly to lengthening their Visa to at least 45 days or Vietnam will dominate tourism in SEA.[/QUOTE]Thailand's evisa is already 2 plus 1 month, but I don't know if there is still the multi-entry (it was available only for some countries pre-covid).

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2829878]Vietnam finally switching back to pre-COVID 90 day eVisa on August 15. They made it even better saying it's multi entry now. Guess I'll move home base from Japan / Korea to Vietnam soon. I've personally been waiting for 1 of the SEA countries (not Malaysia) to reinstate a 90 day Visa.

Why is this news in the Thailand thread? I believe Thailand needs to react quickly to lengthening their Visa to at least 45 days or Vietnam will dominate tourism in SEA.[/QUOTE]I think Vietnam will not dominate, because the majority of the tourists have to get back to work after a couple of weeks, and therefore cannot take a 45 days vacation.

[QUOTE=CaliGuy33;2829908]The ice in Thailand is safe to consume. It's all from filtered water from factories.

For those with sensitive stomachs and food poisoning concerns, only eat at restaurants and malls and mall food courts. That's what I try to do. The outdoor food stalls are a risk.

I ate from a turkish kebab stall at Tree Town in Pattaya last year and got the worst food poisoning of my life. I couldn't move for two days. My next trip I plan to only eat at the malls and hotel. Conveniently, malls are everywhere in Bangkok and Pattaya.[/QUOTE]I stick to American chain restaurants or higher end restaurants. I leaned my lesson onetime eating at night market stalls, which led to me being out of commission for days.

How reliable is Cebu Air flying out of Bangkok to Manila? Would you recommend a different airline.

Thanks for the response.

[QUOTE=HornDog3;2830218]How reliable is Cebu Air flying out of Bangkok to Manila? Would you recommend a different airline..[/QUOTE]Never had a problem. They keep writing to me saying my points are about to expire.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2829675]Dude just go upstairs to the 4th floor and go outside and cross over to the other side and tell the driver 1000. I have done this literally 100 times. I do not know why people keep obsessing over these taxi services or paying more than 1000.[/QUOTE]Yeah I'm pretty much on the same point. A regular taxi will generally not give much of a shit and take the fare. Same goes for leaving from Bangkok city proper.

[QUOTE=CaliGuy33;2829908]The ice in Thailand is safe to consume. It's all from filtered water from factories.

For those with sensitive stomachs and food poisoning concerns, only eat at restaurants and malls and mall food courts. That's what I try to do. The outdoor food stalls are a risk.

I ate from a turkish kebab stall at Tree Town in Pattaya last year and got the worst food poisoning of my life. I couldn't move for two days. My next trip I plan to only eat at the malls and hotel. Conveniently, malls are everywhere in Bangkok and Pattaya.[/QUOTE]Just stick with the ice with holes in it and you will be fine.

So the IRS tells me someone may have used my social security number to acquire employment, and they say I might want to put a fraud alert on my credit. I looked around and couldn't find any good info on how that might effect me once I'm overseas such as banking, wire transfers, buying a condo, etc. Anyone had any experience with this? I wouldn't want to make it impossible to access my bank accounts.

On another note I once tried a wire transfer to Thailand from my current bank and had some major issues. My bank actually ran the wire transfer via Bank of America instead of themselves. Is there a specific bank in the US that someone recommends if moving overseas? Does anyone use Charles Schwab in that regard? I already know they are good for reimbursing ATM fees.

[QUOTE=TooDirty;2830761]So the IRS tells me someone may have used my social security number to acquire employment, and they say I might want to put a fraud alert on my credit. I looked around and couldn't find any good info on how that might effect me once I'm overseas such as banking, wire transfers, buying a condo, etc. Anyone had any experience with this? I wouldn't want to make it impossible to access my bank accounts.

On another note I once tried a wire transfer to Thailand from my current bank and had some major issues. My bank actually ran the wire transfer via Bank of America instead of themselves. Is there a specific bank in the US that someone recommends if moving overseas? Does anyone use Charles Schwab in that regard? I already know they are good for reimbursing ATM fees.[/QUOTE]For fraud and stuff, many banks and credit cards allow you to do a travel notification, which is exactly to prevent issues from popping up while traveling abroad. Some have sunset this and just take a look at the chargers, others you can do it online or with a call. Your bank may vary, but generally you can get this all settled before you go, or if a card gets blocked, a quick call or customer support can resolve it, its frustrating, but just takes a short time to resolve.

[QUOTE=TooDirty;2830761]So the IRS tells me someone may have used my social security number to acquire employment, and they say I might want to put a fraud alert on my credit. I looked around and couldn't find any good info on how that might effect me once I'm overseas such as banking, wire transfers, buying a condo, etc. Anyone had any experience with this? I wouldn't want to make it impossible to access my bank accounts.

On another note I once tried a wire transfer to Thailand from my current bank and had some major issues. My bank actually ran the wire transfer via Bank of America instead of themselves. Is there a specific bank in the US that someone recommends if moving overseas? Does anyone use Charles Schwab in that regard? I already know they are good for reimbursing ATM fees.[/QUOTE]It only stops someone from opening credit in your name. If you are at the store and want to apply for a card then you simply go online and turn the block off. Get approved then turn the block back on. Has nothing to do with you traveling, only with new credit.

I use Schwab. Simply take money out the machine. You do not need a transfer. You can call them to raise your daily withdrawal limit temporarily (24 hours) or permanently.

[QUOTE=TooDirty;2830761]So the IRS tells me someone may have used my social security number to acquire employment, and they say I might want to put a fraud alert on my credit. I looked around and couldn't find any good info on how that might effect me once I'm overseas such as banking, wire transfers, buying a condo, etc. Anyone had any experience with this? I wouldn't want to make it impossible to access my bank accounts.

On another note I once tried a wire transfer to Thailand from my current bank and had some major issues. My bank actually ran the wire transfer via Bank of America instead of themselves. Is there a specific bank in the US that someone recommends if moving overseas? Does anyone use Charles Schwab in that regard? I already know they are good for reimbursing ATM fees.[/QUOTE]This is why Banks are criminal, they will charge a transaction fee to transfer internationally or even domestic. Schwab and other brokerage accounts wave this fee (at least for me) but you'll need to check with them first. However, It may take up to 1 day for the transfer.

Ripple, the company and XRP the token will eliminate all the reason you mentioned above. Blockchain technology in money transfer solutions. Transfer done within seconds (like sending an e-mail) and only cents for any denomination of $ transfers. The US is desperately trying to stall this technology until the Banks run by Wall Street figure out how they can control the trillions of dollars lost daily (like 12 trillion per day) from this ultimate tech that will dominate how money is settled worldwide instantly.

[QUOTE=GrapeMan;2830814]Your bank may vary, but generally you can get this all settled before you go, or if a card gets blocked, a quick call or customer support can resolve it, its frustrating, but just takes a short time to resolve.[/QUOTE]I was forced to cancel one of my cards while in Thailand about 8 months ago. Cancellation was quick and easy, just one call. Getting the replacement card while in Thailand took many calls and 4 days. Dealing with USA banks for card cancellation is a 24/7 thing, but I could only deal with card replacement problems during USA business hours. After 4 days waiting for my replacement card, I still had activation and password problems which required USA telephone support (several issues) plus internet access (set new password).

Recommend that none of us travel to Thailand without backup financial arrangements (e.g., 2+ ATM cards, 2+ credit cards, cash).

[QUOTE=TooDirty;2830761]So the IRS tells me someone may have used my social security number to acquire employment, and they say I might want to put a fraud alert on my credit. I looked around and couldn't find any good info on how that might effect me once I'm overseas such as banking, wire transfers, buying a condo, etc. Anyone had any experience with this? I wouldn't want to make it impossible to access my bank accounts.

On another note I once tried a wire transfer to Thailand from my current bank and had some major issues. My bank actually ran the wire transfer via Bank of America instead of themselves. Is there a specific bank in the US that someone recommends if moving overseas? Does anyone use Charles Schwab in that regard? I already know they are good for reimbursing ATM fees.[/QUOTE]I have been here for close to twenty years now Pattaya. I have a number of banking accounts as a backup in case something happens I try to cover everything so I have access to my money in case something happens. I also have a Charles Schwab investment account with a checking that provides me with an ATM card my Social Security goes into that account. Yes, they provide ATM charges back but it has been some time since the last few years don't do withdraws out of Thai ATMs any longer prior I mainly use Aeon and there is only one place in Pattaya that has a branch of the machine.

ATM's here normally charge you 150-220 baht for the use.

I believe by today's techno standard you can go online to your bank or credit union and put a notification on your credit card that you are traveling and unblock your card for a certain period. I started to do this years ago after I got stuck in Hong Kong on standby tired of waiting I was able to get a seat on Air Asia back to Bangkok, but when processing my credit card it was rejected there was a block lesson learned. Not as easy just to pick up your phone unless you prepared your phone for travel plus some banks if not all you call then you have to push a number of buttons wait and wait to actually get a person.

A few years ago I signed up for a service called Wise! If interested you will need to take the time to learn and figure it out for yourself but I've found so far it is the best way to get your money if you have a Thai bank Account! There are a number of banks that won't allow you to exceed 50,000 baht at a time I have a number of accounts with Bangkok Bank that do allow.

Wise gives you the best rate by far any service I have used if the international market rate is 35.10 that is what you are going to get, minus the ACH debit card fee which is lower than what you pay using an ATM machine plus a far greater exchange rate far greater if Charles Schwab refunded me the fee. Today I wired my pension and my S. S. Deposited into Charles Schwab checking plan ahead depending on the amount it might take 24 hours into your Thai account. I figure out that if you do like 1000.00 USA Within a 24 period just after you click submit you get a notice on your phone it is already in your account even before they have taken it from your account in the USA.

Timing is everything when home for larger amounts I've done large amounts like $30,000 USA Plus to my Thai accounts, I log on and make the request not using ACH, but another method choice is they have a HQ branch of Wells Fargo in New York, I get their account number to have my bank wire the money to their account reference number and one they get it the money is in your Thai bank account.

In comparison, when I see over each month used to take it out of the ATM, but now because of getting a better higher rate, I getting a few Thousand baht more each month. Many retirees doing Immigration O, monthly method use Wise once a month to show the transfer of 40,000 or 60,000 baht. Once your account is set up they will ask why you sending money just click " living expenses "

Good luck.

Eating at modern malls with more international operating vendors their standard of hygiene is much better than Thai market or cart food although many try their best. I live with Thais shop and eat regularly at Thai places I don't think a lot of hygiene if I did I would go hungry you do the best you can and go with those who you haven't gotten sick. I eat a lot of salads out of experience best to get it from places like Foodland, Tops, or a major market that has a salad bar. I have seen stuff at markets and homes of Thais who I thought did a good job of hygiene come away shaking my head.

No matter where you eat in my opinion in Thailand there are rats and mice everywhere even in the 5-star restaurant or hotels you can agree or disagree won't change what I've seen.

When it comes to Ice, no matter where you eat it is delivered in a side cart back of a small covered truck seldom clean, and the workers handling bagging have no gloves. As far as I know, I've not ever been sick I've been to their factories, that sell volume Ice, and local bottled water just enjoy you don't want to know less you know the better. Prior to Covid, I was on Beach Road, a well know hotel middle of beach row that had one of the best buffets all of a sudden table next to me an Australian family wife jumps up screaming "That's it I'm not eating here " if you can't eat there where are you going to eat. As she was reaching for salt and pepper she ended up stroking the back of Micky mouse LOL, so use to it like many we just keep eating.

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;2830930]Eating at modern malls with more international operating vendors their standard of hygiene is much better than Thai market or cart food although many try their best. I live with Thais shop and eat regularly at Thai places I don't think a lot of hygiene if I did I would go hungry you do the best you can and go with those who you haven't gotten sick. I eat a lot of salads out of experience best to get it from places like Foodland, Tops, or a major market that has a salad bar. I have seen stuff at markets and homes of Thais who I thought did a good job of hygiene come away shaking my head.

No matter where you eat in my opinion in Thailand there are rats and mice everywhere even in the 5-star restaurant or hotels you can agree or disagree won't change what I've seen.

When it comes to Ice, no matter where you eat it is delivered in a side cart back of a small covered truck seldom clean, and the workers handling bagging have no gloves. As far as I know, I've not ever been sick I've been to their factories, that sell volume Ice, and local bottled water just enjoy you don't want to know less you know the better. Prior to Covid, I was on Beach Road, a well know hotel middle of beach row that had one of the best buffets all of a sudden table next to me an Australian family wife jumps up screaming "That's it I'm not eating here " if you can't eat there where are you going to eat. As she was reaching for salt and pepper she ended up stroking the back of Micky mouse LOL, so use to it like many we just keep eating.[/QUOTE]Roti lady' prepare s her Food on the Floor.

[QUOTE=ChanChalupa;2830950]Roti lady' prepare s her Food on the Floor.[/QUOTE]This is very common and when they do you would be lucky if it is done on tile floors! The majority of the floors being used to prepare food in your normal countertop have just as much bacteria as the bathroom. The sponge or towel they use to clean the countertop or floor I put a good amount of money that my boxers are cleaner? 555 LOL.

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;2830926]
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A few years ago I signed up for a service called Wise! If interested you will need to take the time to learn and figure it out for yourself but I've found so far it is the best way to get your money if you have a Thai bank Account! There are a number of banks that won't allow you to exceed 50,000 baht at a time I have a number of accounts with Bangkok Bank that do allow.

Wise gives you the best rate by far any service I have used if the international market rate is 35.10 that is what you are going to get, minus the ACH debit card fee which is lower than what you pay using an ATM machine plus a far greater exchange rate far greater if Charles Schwab refunded me the fee. Today I wired my pension and my S. S. Deposited into Charles Schwab checking plan ahead depending on the amount it might take 24 hours into your Thai account. I figure out that if you do like 1000.00 USA Within a 24 period just after you click submit you get a notice on your phone it is already in your account even before they have taken it from your account in the USA.

Timing is everything when home for larger amounts I've done large amounts like $30,000 USA Plus to my Thai accounts, I log on and make the request not using ACH, but another method choice is they have a HQ branch of Wells Fargo in New York, I get their account number to have my bank wire the money to their account reference number and one they get it the money is in your Thai bank account.

In comparison, when I see over each month used to take it out of the ATM, but now because of getting a better higher rate, I getting a few Thousand baht more each month. [b]Many retirees doing Immigration O, monthly method use Wise once a month to show the transfer of 40,000 or 60,000 baht. Once your account is set up they will ask why you sending money just click " living expenses "[/b]

Good luck.[/QUOTE]Hmm. I use Wise for that purpose. But the only option that puts the critical "Foreign Transfer" code into my Thai bank's statements, which is what Immigration wants to see, is the "Funds for long stay in Thailand" option. All of the other options for why I am making the transfer, including "General living expenses" only show up on my Thai bank statements as a "Transfer from another bank", which counts for nothing to Immigration in terms of proof that I made a Foreign Transfer.

Different policies at different Thai banks? Maybe.

[QUOTE=ChanChalupa;2830950]Roti lady' prepare s her Food on the Floor.[/QUOTE]Does she still actually work or still living off all the cash, iPhones, and cars she gets for free from guys trying to impress her, not to mention her YouTube money.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2831362]Does she still actually work or still living off all the cash, iPhones, and cars she gets for free from guys trying to impress her, not to mention her YouTube money.[/QUOTE]I'm just surmiseing. I bet most of the money is going to her Handlers.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2831299]...the only option that puts the critical "Foreign Transfer" code into my Thai bank's statements, which is what Immigration wants to see, is the "Funds for long stay in Thailand" option.[/QUOTE]FTT, FTF code? Can't remember exactly. I'm on the road at the moment, so no bankbook in hand but you're absolutely correct. This is the code that Immigration wants to see and the "Funds for long stay in Thailand" is the only way to guarantee it. The problem is the banks are actually collections of banks. One will do the international transfer under a name *not* on your bank book, then they'll do an internal transfer to your named bank. And it shows in your bankbook as a domestic transfer. Immigration no likee.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2831299]Different policies at different Thai banks? Maybe.[/QUOTE]I know the "Funds for long term stay. " thing started with Bangkok Bank / Wise. That's all I've ever used. (Two years. So far so good.) I'd be highly suspect of other banks. BKB seems to have a knack for finding ways to work with / around the rules.

Thanks for all the feedback regarding money matters guys.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2831362]Does she still actually work or still living off all the cash, iPhones, and cars she gets for free from guys trying to impress her, not to mention her YouTube money.[/QUOTE]I am kind of in love with Puy from afar. That whole work ethic thing is just attractive as hell, not to mention she's easy on the eyes and her voice isn't terrible. Looking forward to buying a banana pancake from her someday. Jack Johnson should go over there and record a music video with her. Mike Rowe should pay her a visit too as she is everything he is all about. Somebody should design a way she could better transport her cart with her scooter.

[QUOTE=HorseTrader;2830856]I was forced to cancel one of my cards while in Thailand about 8 months ago. Cancellation was quick and easy, just one call. Getting the replacement card while in Thailand took many calls and 4 days. Dealing with USA banks for card cancellation is a 24/7 thing, but I could only deal with card replacement problems during USA business hours. After 4 days waiting for my replacement card, I still had activation and password problems which required USA telephone support (several issues) plus internet access (set new password).

Recommend that none of us travel to Thailand without backup financial arrangements (e.g., 2+ ATM cards, 2+ credit cards, cash).[/QUOTE]I don't understand why anyone living in Thailand doesn't have a Thai account and a Wise account to transfer funds. Solves all the problems continually bitched about.

Wise also gives you a Visa Debit that is accepted everywhere in Thailand. Great conversion rates.

Agree with Nyezhov. Anyone who travels needs to get a Wise card and load your baht up before you leave home. If anything were to ever happen I can guarantee you Wise would be much less hassle than dealing with a bank. Also agree anyone who goes to Thailand regularly should get a Thai bank account. I understand they are more difficult to get now so not sure this remains an option.

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;2830926] Many retirees doing Immigration O, monthly method use Wise once a month to show the transfer of 40,000 or 60,000 baht. Once your account is set up they will ask why you sending money just click " living expenses "[/QUOTE]I haven't begun the Retirement Visa process yet but isn't it just much simpler to keep 800 k baht in your bank account than to deal with all this monthly deposit stuff? Pretty sure anyone who has really retired should have 800 k baht that they can leave in a bank.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2831690]Agree with Nyezhov. Anyone who travels needs to get a Wise card and load your baht up before you leave home. If anything were to ever happen I can guarantee you Wise would be much less hassle than dealing with a bank. Also agree anyone who goes to Thailand regularly should get a Thai bank account. I understand they are more difficult to get now so not sure this remains an option.[/QUOTE]I got mine years ago by showing them my lease and 90 day Visa. Krungsri in The EmQuartier (3rd floor ish, I always get lost LOL), at Phrom Pong, BKK. I guarantee you that there are Banks in Pattaya that will open an accout for for falang.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2831691]Pretty sure anyone who has really retired should have 800 k baht that they can leave in a bank.[/QUOTE]Yeah. But would they want to leave it in a Thai bank is the question.

[QUOTE=Nyezhov;2831629]I don't understand why anyone living in Thailand doesn't have a Thai account and a Wise account to transfer funds. Solves all the problems continually bitched about.

Wise also gives you a Visa Debit that is accepted everywhere in Thailand. Great conversion rates.[/QUOTE]Yep, that is exactly what I do.

But most posters here are just visiting.