Bangkok Reports

[QUOTE=Samata61;1128748]I was in seventh heaven: 9 girls (not counting the coyote) in 5 days between Macau and BKK but deep in thought that I should be taking Viagra or Cialis in my next mongering trip since I had a hard time keeping up with the girls the last couple of nights.[/QUOTE]Great reports and good to see someone coming here and not nickeling and diming. Good that you put your fun as a priority.

The only thing I would say is that unless you are old. Stay off the Enhancers like Viagra or Cialis.

Take these and you should be fine:

Max for Men made by Country Life (multi vitamin)

Odorless Garlic 1000 mg by spring valley but could be by any Brand.

Ogoplex extract pur every day

Semenax every day

Calcium 600 mg with vitamin D every day

Prostate wellness by urinozinc

After a diet of these, you'll go 5 times a day. And naturally.

went to cowboy a few nights back with a mate. shocking how crowded it was. 25th of the month is when most people get paid, so pretty much all the go-gos were crowded beyond belief. #73 in shark is quite a cutie and has made my list of girls to fuck in the low season. finally made our way to the cocktail club. it's a fairly small and shady dive between long gun and cactus. there are 1 or 2 lookers; the rest are all skanks. anyway i took a girl to the toilet where she proceed to give me a bbbj. one of the worst ever. she was using her teeth too much and i was afraid of having a repeat of what happened to me at [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url] a few months back (torn frenulum). i stopped her and offered her 700 baht for a fuck in the stall. bent her over and plunged in. not bad and a first for me.

i do not remember her name but i will be sure to get it and here is why. this morning (tuesday) i woke up and went to the toilet and had a very very slight burning sensation when i pissed. it did not hurt too bad unlike the last time i had this but it was still uncomfortable enough to get me worried. later in the day i went to the toilet again and noticed an ever so slight cloudy discharge. maybe i was imagining things. but as i write this now it still feels uncomfortable and definitely not normal. probably chlamydia. i didn't bother going to the doc. went straight to the pharmacy across from nana plaza (apparently they see this shit all the time). she gave me a box of azithromycin. told me to take 4 pills (1g) tonight and the other 2 tomorrow and it should clear up in a week. last time i had this infection i waited a few days before getting the meds and it burned like fire whenever i pissed. i did not want to wait this time.

in the meantime, i need to think of an excuse to tell my girlfriend why i can't have sex with her for a week.

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy; 1128781]Great reports and good to see someone coming here and not nickeling and diming. Good that you put your fun as a priority.

The only thing I would say is that unless you are old. Stay off the Enhancers like Viagra or Cialis.

Take these and you should be fine:

Max for Men made by Country Life (multi vitamin)

Odorless Garlic 1000 mg by spring valley but could be by any Brand.

Ogoplex extract pur every day

Semenax every day

Calcium 600 mg with vitamin D every day

Prostate wellness by urinozinc

After a diet of these, you'll go 5 times a day. And naturally. [/QUOTE]I am sure this is all fine, but just a comment about your "all natural" conclusion.

"Natural" products can be damned dangerous, if used at the wrong doses and too often. For instance, in your list, Calcium and even more Vit D can create severe damages if taken at too high doses too often.

It is a common belief that if something is "natural" it's safe. Well, most dangerous poisons are natural: arsenic, digitaline, mushrooms etc. And often far less studied than drugs.

I personally feel safer to use Cilais or viagra, which have been tested on thousands of men under strict conditions, whose side eefects are well documented, whose drug interactions are well known, and whose conditions of production and sale are strictly controlled, than using untested products produced by unknown companies, which are not monitored by health authorities.

Just another point of view.

"She looks like a buffalo. Waste of camera equipment".

I found her kinda cute and young looking in the face, with lovely arms. Certainly wouldn't kick her out of bed or the room, and for 1000B ST I'd love to do bad things with her, to quote from the theme song to the Tru Blood tv series. Not sure if she'd be up to it, but if so I could add her to the list of P4P TGs I've recieved the pleasure of knowing in bed.

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy; 1128587]Oh boy, these younger girls are really Naughty! I am in the last phase of "closing" the deal with a Student From TAGGED. We did the Message, Chat and now the CamChat so they see I am real and I see they are the girl from the pictures.

The girl is very naughty and she wants only 1 thing from me: SEX. The thing she hinted was that her friend wanted to watch us do it. (as exciting as it may sound, I am not sure I am up for that yet). I don't want the whole school to be showing up at my door. And any angry Wannabe boyfriend.

I guess the 25 yo+ are much Safer.

Chatted with a girl that sells condos last night and she wanted to sell me one. When I asked her if I would get her as a signing bonus, she said that I could get her even if I don't sign. I can't wait to go visiting apartments with her LOL[/QUOTE]Well you could charge tickets to the show LOL.

[QUOTE=Samata61; 1128748]Left to the hotel slept for about an hour then went to Tilac arriving around 9:30. The scene was vastly different than Baccara with 90% Farang customers and I felt more comfortable. Lots of girls dancing and sitting everywhere but the level of the talent appeared to be a little less than Baccara. There were a couple of 8, a few 7, and some real dogs. A girl sitting at the bar playing a game with an old Farang (65) caught my eye but she appeared to be with him so I continued to watch the dancers to try to make my selection. I made eye contact with the girl sitting at the bar and she smiled widely and motioned if I want her to come over which I immediately accepted. Gift (her name) was supper nice and we hit it off right away; she asked for 4000 LT, we agreed on 3000, and she would have taken less as she was completely into me.

It was still early, coyote dancers were on the stage, and I was enjoying the show so we decided to stay in the bar and have a few drinks. It was a great decision since I was talking to the coyotes, other girls, customers, and really had a blast of an evening. I had gotten really friendly with one of the coyote girls who was a perfect 10 and not an once of fat on her body. The 3 of us agreed to have lunch the next day and since I did not have my cell with me, Gift took her number.

We arrived to the hotel around 1:00 and went into action immediately. The girls was supper Horney; she explained that she has been away for a year taking care of her sick mother and I was her first customer since she came back 2 days ago. Everything was on the menu; started with DFK, Deep Throat BBBJ, DATY, and it was the sweetest tasting pussy and she came wildly. We proceeded to fuck and despite being very wet she was so tight that I had problem fucking her in every position as she was in obvious pain but would not stop or complain. We finished around 2 and while laying in each others arms, she received a disturbing phone call and explained that she must leave which was a great disappointment especially since she would not tell me what is the matter. She was supper apologetics and told me I can give her what ever I want; I gave her 2000 and let her go. It was probably a good thing since I was tiered and can use some undisturbed shuteye. [/QUOTE]'We arrived to the hotel around 1:00 and went into action immediately. The girls was supper Horney; she explained that she has been away for a year taking care of her sick mother and I was her first customer since she came back 2 days ago'

In bargirl translation, I was sponsored by farang man for one year. LOL

Arrived around 19:30, a bit jaded due to the travel. Staying at the Westin Grand, very girl friendly and good rooms also is in an ideal location. Paid a visit to a couple of bars on soi 7/1 nothing much happening not many farangs around, bar girls very quiet. Tried the beer garden on soi 7 this was very busy and quite a few ladies inside prowling, spent sometime talking with Nam who was quite pretty. The problem with Nam was she was too switched on, she had spent time in the middle east and talked how the market had been spoiled for her by the Chinese, she wouldn't discuss price but I got the feeling she was looking at 2000baht minimum. I headed back to the hotel alone and was called by a couple of street urchins sat on the wall outside the hotel, both were good looking and friendly, took what appeared to be the eldest of the 2 back to my room, I would guess she was around 25 and a cracking body on her, damage was a 1000baht and she gave me a really good massage also.

May the force be with you.

[QUOTE=Jerboa;1128907]Well you could charge tickets to the show LOL.[/QUOTE]I told her I wasn't feeling it. She was way too pushy so I directed her to my colleague (he's a horndog and would fuck pretty much anything with a pulse)

As I wal walking to work this morning, I could not help but notice 3 girls with outfits very close to those of a uni student, and then started thinking. These Thai girls are about 25 and could still pass for Students.

I think there is something with these Asian ladies where they could easily pass for 5 or 10 years younger than they really are.

I tried to smile at them but they just smiled back and went back to chatting, I sensed they were not open for me to interrupt so I left.

There is something about these ladies, they always want to have fun and not be bored. They could do anything, even cleaning as long as it is "Sanook".

My point? Damn these petite asian girls look really young. Or younger than their age.

The latest on my Craigslist encounters.

SHE = Chinese / Thai.

Mid 30's.

Good education (Graduate.)

Great job.

Wealthy family.

Lives at home.

Single, no children.

Nice body, sexy smile.

Has car, money and friends.

Had been exchanging emails, photos and calls with her for a while before I came to BKK.

Arranged to meet at my hotel.

She arrived at the arranged time, looked GREAT.

Small talk in the bar for a few minutes.

One drink together, did not want to eat. Did not want to go out!

Me: "Where we go?"

She: "We go your room!"

Me: "OK."

So. 2 1/2 hours of hot sweaty screwing later she has to shower and go (some family thing going on!).

Offered her some money for her taxi but she would not accept anything.

Now she did not respond to my email and did not answer my call!

I FEEL USED!

I now believe she used my body JUST FOR SEX!

Or, am I being too sensitive? LOL.

Sometimes Thailand is good and sometimes it is EFFIN MARVELOUS!

Enjoy.

Hotman

In Bangkok right now. I've been to the banks reported to open accounts without a work permit, and got declined.

I've been to 2 Bangkok Bank agencies. 2 Siam Commercial Bank agencies, and one K-Bank (5 tries total). All said they couldn't open an account without a work permit.

I made an effort to look clean-cut (dress shirt, clean jeans, leather shoes etc) and I have about 4K USD to deposit. I have no idea why this is so hard. I mean, what could possibly go wrong for them? I'm DEPOSITING money, not taking a loan.

Anyway, any pointer as to what to do here? I've read that if declined, one should just try another agency, but this seems harder than previously reported. I might try a few more agencies this afternoon.

[QUOTE=Jerboa; 1128909]'We arrived to the hotel around 1:00 and went into action immediately. The girls was supper Horney; she explained that she has been away for a year taking care of her sick mother and I was her first customer since she came back 2 days ago'

In bargirl translation, I was sponsored by farang man for one year. LOL[/QUOTE]Good point. LOL.

The good thing is she was almost out of action for 1 year and supper horney.

What are the best places in Bangkok to pick up liberated normal girls, non-working ones?

[quote=going low;1129075]what are the best places in bangkok to pick up liberated normal girls, non-working ones?[/quote]tll, dia, rca, mbk, bkk, rtf

[QUOTE=Chill Out;1129046]In Bangkok right now. I've been to the banks reported to open accounts without a work permit, and got declined... any pointer as to what to do here?[/QUOTE]Go to Thai Immigration; get a residence certificate with your photo, etc.

Go back to the bank and you will probably be successful.

Also give K Bank or Kasikorn? Green sign and logo. In Pattaya, Inside Carrefour branch, they told me to just bring Passport and a receipt from hotel staying and they will open the account. I passed this on to a friend and was able to open with those items.

Like most things here it is inconsistent. But give them a try in Bangkok.

LBM

[QUOTE=Chill Out;1129046]...I've been to 2 Bangkok Bank agencies. 2 Siam Commercial Bank agencies, and one K-Bank (5 tries total). All said they couldn't open an account without a work permit....[/QUOTE]In Bangkok Bank it is next to impossible, but I have opened an account in Kasikorn Bank last year without issues on a tourist entry stamp. The only thing I needed was an address. Even a hotel should work, unless they have changed the rules.

[QUOTE=Chill Out; 1129046]In Bangkok right now. I've been to the banks reported to open accounts without a work permit, and got declined.

I've been to 2 Bangkok Bank agencies. 2 Siam Commercial Bank agencies, and one K-Bank (5 tries total). All said they couldn't open an account without a work permit.

I made an effort to look clean-cut (dress shirt, clean jeans, leather shoes etc) and I have about 4K USD to deposit. I have no idea why this is so hard. I mean, what could possibly go wrong for them? I'm DEPOSITING money, not taking a loan.

Anyway, any pointer as to what to do here? I've read that if declined, one should just try another agency, but this seems harder than previously reported. I might try a few more agencies this afternoon. [/QUOTE]Are you a resident? Do you have a work Permit? If not then it will be very difficult or almost impossible.

I think the only chance you have (assuming you are a tourist) is to go to a NON-Thai bank. Like Citibank for example.

I have many Accounts in Thai Banks, have been working here for Years and make a very High Salary. But these fuckers still won't give me a credit card. They prefer to give it to Somying or Somchai who will spend the money they don't have.

Citibank was the only bank to not deny me a credit card. (Amex as well of course)

The last day was a bit of a bummer as I wanted to have at least two shots and still reach airport at 6 am.

Did not start that well. Victoria massage soi 39 had no one available till 2 pm, did not find Koop and ice at angelmassage. Nothing new at mango or SW so waited for grace at Victoria. Even though she is not really my idea of beauty but her service level and dedication to the job blew me off. What a storm she creates by her out of this world attention to your needs. No wonder why she often gets 500 bahts tip, I was no exception either.

Later in the evening went to kannadiga massage or something like that bang opp citadines 23 hotel.

Selected the only good looking girl paid 2000 all inclusive. For FS but as I was getting sleepy and a bit worried about getting up early in the morning, the last session was forgettable one although the girl tried pretty hard. Unfortunately she too was not upto my idea of beauty so walked away after 30 mins without a shot.

Overall I am very impressed with scene in BKK, mp scene that is. Did not have time to check out the bars and go go places.

One thing I really lament, though, is the fact that I did not get straight answer to simple question as to where to go for freelancers in sukhumvit 23 area. I was basically flying through continents every 72 hours and hence could not reasearch.

Will some kind hearted gfntleman please point me in right direction which hopefully I will be able to use during my next visit.

And finally Kan@mango was the best one I had out of 4.

Thanks to everyone who responded to my queries.

Cheers

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy; 1128963]As I wal walking to work this morning, I could not help but notice 3 girls with outfits very close to those of a uni student, and then started thinking. These Thai girls are about 25 and could still pass for Students.

I think there is something with these Asian ladies where they could easily pass for 5 or 10 years younger than they really are.

There is something about these ladies, they always want to have fun and not be bored. They could do anything, even cleaning as long as it is "Sanook".

My point? Damn these petite asian girls look really young. Or younger than their age. [/QUOTE]Very true! The most dangerous thing is the other way round, as a "too young" can also pass by a bit older, ie above legal age.

I think a lot has to do with the skin, being smooth, usual petit body frame (of a teenager) and there you go. I had a 50year old who could easily pass for 40 if not a bit less.

Still it comes a point when age takes over and the usual normal signs do come out for them too.

Very interesting anyhow as this can be observed quite broadly in the whole Asian worlxcwith few exceptions.

Unless things have radically changed I have opened up a KTB account in Exchange Tower at Asoke and up in Nongbulampoo, I have opened a Kasikorn account in the same two places two. And all with a passport, NO work permit, tourist visa.

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy; 1129109]Are you a resident? Do you have a work Permit? If not then it will be very difficult or almost impossible.

I think the only chance you have (assuming you are a tourist) is to go to a NON-Thai bank. Like Citibank for example.

I have many Accounts in Thai Banks, have been working here for Years and make a very High Salary. But these fuckers still won't give me a credit card. They prefer to give it to Somying or Somchai who will spend the money they don't have.

Citibank was the only bank to not deny me a credit card. (Amex as well of course) [/QUOTE]

sounds like duan (cocktail club). had a similar 'problem'

[quote=mangofan; 1128785]went to cowboy a few nights back with a mate. shocking how crowded it was. 25th of the month is when most people get paid, so pretty much all the go-gos were crowded beyond belief. #73 in shark is quite a cutie and has made my list of girls to fuck in the low season. finally made our way to the cocktail club. it's a fairly small and shady dive between long gun and cactus. there are 1 or 2 lookers; the rest are all skanks. anyway i took a girl to the toilet where she proceed to give me a bbbj. one of the worst ever. she was using her teeth too much and i was afraid of having a repeat of what happened to me at [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url] a few months back (torn frenulum). i stopped her and offered her 700 baht for a fuck in the stall. bent her over and plunged in. not bad and a first for me.

i do not remember her name but i will be sure to get it and here is why. this morning (tuesday) i woke up and went to the toilet and had a very very slight burning sensation when i pissed.

snipped. [/quote]

Yesterday I found a Kasikorn agency that got me a bank account. It's in the Interchange building, next to the Asok sky train station.

I didn't have a work permit, didn't even buy a SIM card yet so no phone number. I gave them my hotel number and address, even though I'm checking out today. No questions were asked. They are very accommodating.

They also have an exchange service with pretty good rates I think. I'm no expert, in any case it was better than the airport where I changed 200 USD on day 1. When you change thousands of USD, good rates make quite a difference. I compared what I would have gotten with the airport rate, and the difference was nearly 8, 000 baths. All that for a seemingly small 3 decimal points difference in buying rate.

Anyway, the whole process (account creation, currency exchange, depositing the money, getting the card, changing the pin) took around 40 mins.

Once you are done in Asok, you are near the MRT exchange, the Asok sky train being connected to Sukhumvit MRT station. You can go from there to the Ratchada soapies, which is exactly what I did. More on that later.

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Exact address:

Kbank branch Sukhumvit 23.

Interchange Building, Floor G.

399 Sukhumvit road Klongtoeynua Wattana.

Directions: Take the sky train, exit at Asok station. As you get out, take a look at the major intersection, you should see a big building with 'Interchange' on it. Not to be confused with the 'Exchange' building which is right opposite; Jgm005 mentioned opening a KTB bank account in that building, so you might try that if Kasikorn fails you for whatever reason.

Today is errands day for me before I leave to Samui.

I badly scratched my glasses yesterday and need to change the lenses. I need a place where they can check my eyesight (in a serious, medical fashion, not by some clueless 19 year old sales clerck) and then make quality lenses in an hour or so. I'm leaving BKK tonight so this is urgent, please reply ASAP if you have any recommendation.

Also wouldn't mind getting my teeth whitened. Searching for that here turns up surprisingly little info (and the little there is, is 2-3 years old). Any recommendations?

Day 1.

I arrive in Bangkok around 11 PM from the airport. I'm staying in Hotel Solo, recommended in the hotel thread. It's within 5 mins walking from Nana, my usual hunting ground. The hotel proves to be OK for the price. The wotif deal is gone so I'm paying 2, 200 a night. Not exactly cheap for Thailand. But the room does look fresh and stylish, the beddings are great, it's a classy mid-range place. I'm only supposed to stay one night before moving on to Samui.

One thing to note about Solo: it's not a mongers hotel, though it is girl friendly. There are couples, groups of girls travelling together, etc. These people are in the lobby checking their laptop in the evening. So if you are bit shy to take girls back to your room, keep that in mind.

Anyway, after checking in, I go straight to Nana and go check Rainbow 2. I take a quick decision since it's late, and I go for a little Asian Julia Roberts type (number 59 I think). Bleached hair, very cute face, nice body. She actually looks very much like my favorite girl from my last trip, in the same bar, but it turns out it's not her. Anyway, we go to the short time hotel and take care of business. Quite nicely so. Total damage: 2, 600 baths.

As soon as I'm done with her, I go nurse a beer at Rainbow 4 on the second floor. I love to see all those cute girls dance. Again it's late, around 1AM by now, so I have to take a decision quickly. I invite a girl over, she is hot, but it turns out she has braces, so I politely send her back. I invite another girl over, and the same thing happens; braces! Damn. I send her back as well.

A girl who was dancing in front of me comes down and sits down next to me, uninvited. I'm not too keen on that – I like to choose. She has an awesome tattoo on her back, but otherwise isn't my type. I politely tell her so within 2 mins in order not to waste her time and mine.

I see a third girl I like, and this one doesn't have braces. Game on. Short time hotel. Happy. Total damage: 2, 600 (+300 for hotel).

As her shift is over by the time we are done, I invite her to eat at the little street restaurant outside Nana. We talk. Nice girl. Plans to open a restaurant with her savings. Is careful with her money. She says she earns 160, 000 baths a month. If true, not too shabby.

[QUOTE=Chill Out; 1129310]Today is errands day for me before I leave to Samui.

I badly scratched my glasses yesterday and need to change the lenses. I need a place where they can check my eyesight (in a serious, medical fashion, not by some clueless 19 year old sales clerck) and then make quality lenses in an hour or so. I'm leaving BKK tonight so this is urgent, please reply ASAP if you have any recommendation.

Also wouldn't mind getting my teeth whitened. Searching for that here turns up surprisingly little info (and the little there is, is 2-3 years old). Any recommendations? [/QUOTE]I've had many prescription glasses made at St. Moritz, accross from the Landmark Hotel on Suk. Your situation is urgent so you may not be able but their prices for me have been somewhat negotiable.

@Rjsss212: Thanks! Do they have the medical examination + the fast manufacturing of lenses that I need?

How much did you pay for yours?

[QUOTE=Bionicman; 1129240]Very true! The most dangerous thing is the other way round, as a "too young" can also pass by a bit older, ie above legal age.

I think a lot has to do with the skin, being smooth, usual petit body frame (of a teenager) and there you go. I had a 50year old who could easily pass for 40 if not a bit less.

Still it comes a point when age takes over and the usual normal signs do come out for them too.

Very interesting anyhow as this can be observed quite broadly in the whole Asian worlxcwith few exceptions. [/QUOTE]The one give-away in Asia is the skin on the throat. They can delay / hide signs of aging almost anywhere, but that part tells it all. One large wrinkle=less than 25 years old. And then simply add one every three years or so. Accurate to within +-10, and you can make it to 5% with some practice!

[QUOTE=Chill Out; 1129324]@Rjsss212: Thanks! Do they have the medical examination + the fast manufacturing of lenses that I need?

How much did you pay for yours? [/QUOTE]Never had an exam so I don't know but they probably have some arrangement. I had sunglasses made with the prescription taken from my lenses. First pair 3500BHT next few 2700BHT for high index (high index by Thai standards not American, just a little thicker) and I usually stay for a month so never asked about rush but worth a try.

There is no question that the Bangkok monger landscape is changing. I much prefer the internet for freebies (but that in itself has become a huge pain in the ass given the total unreliability of the average Thai girl) and can't remember the last time I bothered going to a gogo bar. Gogo bars don't even cross my mind anymore. They are just off the radar completely. Shocking attitudes and prices are carzy when you count the all in cost. Best bet is massage parlours by far.

It is easy to say and it is probably true that it is not the scene that has changed but my attitude towards it. But one thing that has DEFINITELY changed in the last 5 years is the "pickiness" of the girls. There is nothing I hate more than the hooker that won't seem to go with anyone no matter who they are. They hang out in the hooker hang outs looking like hookers and then when anyone approaches them (Caucasion Or Asian) they give them a look of disgust! What is with that? That for me has been the change for the worst. The pickiness of the girls and it is getting worse all the time.

Just my two cents worth.

[QUOTE=Bowerboy; 1129515]There is nothing I hate more than the hooker that won't seem to go with anyone no matter who they are. They hang out in the hooker hang outs looking like hookers and then when anyone approaches them (Caucasion Or Asian) they give them a look of disgust! What is with that? That for me has been the change for the worst. The pickiness of the girls and it is getting worse all the time.

Just my two cents worth. [/QUOTE]Well, depends on your looks, but girls usually are more keen on attitude and Smile, but depending on where you hang out, you might just not be the right nationality.

Certain places (GoGos, Freelancers hangouts) are known for their girls liking short-dicks and high prices.

[QUOTE=Bowerboy;1129515]It is easy to say and it is probably true that it is not the scene that has changed but my attitude towards it. But one thing that has DEFINITELY changed in the last 5 years is the "pickiness" of the girls. There is nothing I hate more than the hooker that won't seem to go with anyone no matter who they are. They hang out in the hooker hang outs looking like hookers and then when anyone approaches them (Caucasion Or Asian) they give them a look of disgust! What is with that? That for me has been the change for the worst. The pickiness of the girls and it is getting worse all the time.[/QUOTE]I haven't noticed this changing in the SW scene, although I usually leave it to the TG to make the first move with a word or a smile. If they are avoiding eye contact, then why bother. OTOH if she is really smoking or I'm drunk, then I might try it anyway. In a bar this could be done by offering the lady a drink, either directly or through the waitress.

[QUOTE=Chill Out; 1129310]Today is errands day for me before I leave to Samui.

I badly scratched my glasses yesterday and need to change the lenses. I need a place where they can check my eyesight (in a serious, medical fashion, not by some clueless 19 year old sales clerck) and then make quality lenses in an hour or so. I'm leaving BKK tonight so this is urgent, please reply ASAP if you have any recommendation.

Also wouldn't mind getting my teeth whitened. Searching for that here turns up surprisingly little info (and the little there is, is 2-3 years old). Any recommendations?[/QUOTE]I paid 8000bt for my teeth whitenning, including cold light treatment, mould, and 2 further home applications. I got the cool light, not the laser whitening. When I compared costs, it was about 2000bt more in the Sukh area than put by the On Nut BTS area. I can't remember the dentist office name, but be prepared for the full attention of a dentist plus 2 assistants. Professional work at about 2/3 of the cost. Just get out of the tourist zone is my advice. Then again, probably same day or next day service in the tourist zone but I had to wait about week to find an appointment for me. It was strange, the dentist hours worked seemed to be half what they work in the USA.

[QUOTE=Chill Out;1129304]Yesterday I found a Kasikorn agency that got me a bank account. It's in the Interchange building, next to the Asok sky train station.[/QUOTE]Can I ask you and some of the others who don't live in Thailand but have bank accounts. Why?

[QUOTE=Pita123;1129622]Can I ask you and some of the others who don't live in Thailand but have bank accounts. Why?[/QUOTE]For me, I live here part time. For the most part if I am not here when my rent is due then it is much easier and cheaper to do a wire transfer to my landlord from a Thai bank versus paying over half the value of my rent in international transfer fees alone. I actually use the same bank that he does. In addition, those 150 baht ATM fees add up when you don't have a Thai bank. Also, I don't have to worry about bringing cash back and forth. I just make one big deposit and it will last me several months.

Hi all.

Every massage in Thailand. Even at the places that separate you with a curtain. Seems to have lots of upper thigh work! How do you know if you can take it further. And how do you?

Thanks a million!

S

[QUOTE=Pita123;1129622]Can I ask you and some of the others who don't live in Thailand but have bank accounts. Why?[/QUOTE]And for regular visitors It would make sense to get a Thai bank account, easy to deposit and as MrE says save on the robbing 150b fee.

[QUOTE=Pita123;1129622]Can I ask you and some of the others who don't live in Thailand but have bank accounts. Why?[/QUOTE]For staying several months to half a year it is mainly a matter of security via spreading one's eggs amongst a number of baskets. Adding one or more bank accounts helps me with this objective. The ATM card is also quite convenient and without any service charges, except perhaps a one time annual fee. If staying only a few days, though, it wouldn't be worth the trouble to have bank accounts, with finances already distributed between hotel and room safety boxes and on one's person when going out.

[QUOTE=Bowerboy;1129515]It is easy to say and it is probably true that it is not the scene that has changed .[/QUOTE]Alas poor urich if only this was true.

But it's not.

To with:

The number of goods looking freelancers is down about 80%

The number of good looking dancers is down only a little less.

Instead of hot young thai girls, the streets are full of: arabs, indians, west nigerians, euro families w / kids in tow, west nigerian hookers (ouch!) and more ladyboys than even christo the artist could conjure up.

Farang cruise the scene in cars like it's race night in modesto.

And, worst of all, single farang women, more and more every day, sometimes w / attitude, strut around like this too is their home

Truth is the BKK mongering scene is in it's death knell, going the way of sing, korea and HK; money / economic growth does that I guess. I mean, why would the hottest women in the world go w / us unless they HAD to to eat?

But like bogie in "Casablanca" who got paris back, I'll always have Bangkok / Pattaya 99-04 when it was, well, unspeakably good.

[QUOTE=Jerboa;1129651]And for regular visitors It would make sense to get a Thai bank account, easy to deposit and as MrE says save on the robbing 150b fee.[/QUOTE]True. I still have a Bank Account in the USA. I don't live there anymore but I keep it just in case and I have enough there for the account to stay open for 10 years.

In Thailand, you have to understand, historically I am sure they used to think that "Farangs have money so no big deal to open Bank account for them" but they must have been really fucked along the way by some nasty assholes. Hence, the lack of Trust.

To get my Credit card (and from Citibank) I had to fill up 50 pages of info on myself and my financial status (I have quite some cash) but they still called my company 3 times to prove I was working there, and that my salary was true. They also called my Boss and asked if I was doing a good job or he intended to let me leave soon.

They are Over cautious.

I remember in the States, I was walking in a Mall and this guy walked up to me, gave me a Big Flashlight and told me it was mine for free if I fill up this credit card request. I did and that was that. Easy PEasy.

[QUOTE=Sashainuk; 1129647]Hi all.

Every massage in Thailand. Even at the places that separate you with a curtain. Seems to have lots of upper thigh work! How do you know if you can take it further. And how do you?

S[/QUOTE]Ask them, you'll either get a yes or a no.

Yah, the Thai bank accounts will allow transfer between customer accounts. Pretty cool feature when I first tried it. I finally figured out, yes my bar girl from Udon was really sending money to her family with her bank card. I too could pay rent with giving cash to the landlord. Got to love those ATMs that let you make cash deposits!

I visit about once a year for about four month. Got on bank account at Bank of Bangkok. The bank card is a debit Visa so it was given to me the same day I opened the account. If you have lots of cash, then this is all you really need. It appears the "credit" portion is what is the hang up. Maybe ask for the Visa debit card, my name isn't on it. It sy valued customer but clearly marked as a Visa. Added bonus was the ability to load it with credit for the BTS.

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy; 1129729]True. I still have a Bank Account in the USA. I don't live there anymore but I keep it just in case and I have enough there for the account to stay open for 10 years.

In Thailand, you have to understand, historically I am sure they used to think that "Farangs have money so no big deal to open Bank account for them" but they must have been really fucked along the way by some nasty assholes. Hence, the lack of Trust.

To get my Credit card (and from Citibank) I had to fill up 50 pages of info on myself and my financial status (I have quite some cash) but they still called my company 3 times to prove I was working there, and that my salary was true. They also called my Boss and asked if I was doing a good job or he intended to let me leave soon.

They are Over cautious.

I remember in the States, I was walking in a Mall and this guy walked up to me, gave me a Big Flashlight and told me it was mine for free if I fill up this credit card request. I did and that was that. Easy PEasy. [/QUOTE]

Hey guys,

I've been reading your reports for years and I finally made it to BKK. Well had a good time and a little time. Then ended up asking a tourist out! Haha. Let's just say she wasn't too happy. LOL.

Well guys I am going to use all your info and take full advatnge of the life here!

[QUOTE=Hotman 666; 1129020]Now she did not respond to my email and did not answer my call!

I FEEL USED!

I now believe she used my body JUST FOR SEX!

Or, am I being too sensitive? LOL.

Sometimes Thailand is good and sometimes it is EFFIN MARVELOUS!

Enjoy.

Hotman[/QUOTE]I take back ALL I SAID about the "femail monger" in BKK only wanting me for my body!

She emailed me with her appologies (some family crisis) but wants to meet me in UK when she comes later this year.

Hmmmmmm, Who am I to argue. Let's face it I am just her "Sex Toy."

Anyway, good enough for me, my faith in human nature is restored!

Enjoy,

Hotman.

[QUOTE=Bowerboy; 1129515]. And can't remember the last time I bothered going to a gogo bar. Gogo bars don't even cross my mind anymore. They are just off the radar completely. Shocking attitudes and prices are carzy when you count the all in cost. Best bet is massage parlours by far.

It is easy to say and it is probably true that it is not the scene that has changed but my attitude towards it. But one thing that has DEFINITELY changed in the last 5 years is the "pickiness" of the girls. . [/QUOTE]Sure, MPs can be good for a short session. Some of us want to take a girl early in the evening, have sex, then late dinner, more sex late, a nude girl in the bed all night, wake up with a stiffy and immediately put it to good use in the morning.

Some gogo girls can be very good for this, and the barfine is typically less than the MP takeout fee. Its true you can make private arrangements, but then have to wait till girl finishes work and it gets unreliable. The best gogo girls are still very worthwhile. I have a very special hot girl or two from Cowboy that I take regularly, and have a fantastic time.

I pay a little extra to cover the girls wear and tear from multiple extended sex sessions, enough to be fair. Its only a very small ppercentage of gogo girls that are really good, and often are relatively newcomers who have not got too jaded.

Hot girls have a right to be picky! Many Thai girls are only part time or borderline prostitutes, especially in pick-up joints. They don't just fuck anybody. They have self respect. They want to find guy they they really fancy, enjoy the sex immensely, and yet make some money as well. She gets her orgasms and cash too. It makes sense. Why take any guy when she get close to her spec?

If the guy is really nice, has the right attitude, etc, he may score one of these girls. Then again he may not. I recall the odd rejection at the Thermae, for no apparent reason. Like Nic says, some girls are looking for something else, e. G. Japanese, or young dudes.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1130195]Hot girls have a right to be picky! Many Thai girls are only part time or borderline prostitutes, especially in pick-up joints. They don't just fuck anybody. They have self respect. They want to find guy they they really fancy, enjoy the sex immensely, and yet make some money as well. She gets her orgasms and cash too. It makes sense. Why take any guy when she get close to her spec?[/QUOTE]Agree, many girls in Thermae or even Gullivers (especially at times where one has to pay the bills) are not Pros or Prostitutes per se. They are office workers or single mums just wanting to make a few extra baht for the month passed or the month to come. They do not like to have sex for money but no other choice for them to get quick money.

I remember a girl I met at Thermae, she was cute-is and her english was good, she tole me she had to pay 4, 000 every month to a loan shark for money her brother took. The brother took off and now poor little sister had to pay.

She did not feel sorry for herself and just was doing what she had to do. She said she was only doing this 2 nights per month and 1 ST per night. And, she refused me. So I am not sure what her deal was but good luck to her.

[QUOTE=Jerboa; 1128909]'We arrived to the hotel around 1:00 and went into action immediately. The girls was supper Horney; she explained that she has been away for a year taking care of her sick mother and I was her first customer since she came back 2 days ago'

In bargirl translation, I was sponsored by farang man for one year. LOL[/QUOTE]So you ended up paying 2000bht for a short time encounter. She NEVER planned on staying the night and giving you any service in the morning. When the cell phone goes off like that it is a pre planned call.

I tell them 3000 long time and if you leave early half of that, but if you give good service I will tip you good, but it's STUPID to pay 4000bht in Thailand

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy;1130219]many girls in Thermae or even Gullivers...are not Pros or Prostitutes[/QUOTE]I guess I can stop listening; I have now heard EVERYTHING.

In point of fact, the soi 5 / thermae girls are among the most hardened working girls there are (but when they TELL you they just do it to pay the rent, why let facts get in the way?)

[QUOTE=Sashainuk; 1129647]Hi all.

Every massage in Thailand. Even at the places that separate you with a curtain. Seems to have lots of upper thigh work! How do you know if you can take it further. And how do you?

Thanks a million!

S[/QUOTE]When MP girls sitting outside and welcome or pull you in you, maily in Pattaya & Phuket, be shure extras are on the menu.

Easy to know or feel it most of the time, if the hands are coming to close with more than accidently touching your balls or Willy, the girl will look in your eyes to see what the reaction is, just keep eye contact, smile and make a little remark.

In street MP's where the 1 hour price is like 200 or 300bt be sure you can have a HJ extra mainly from the older providers but not always from the very young girls. Removing your towel for what ever the reason you come up with helps also to give them girl message.

John Euro

Dear All,

Its been quite a while have not visited Bangkok, I admit I am totally out of the present market situation over there.

So, need all of you my kind hearted Brothers to refresh me some updated infos:

1) How much is the present Bar fine charges at NANA ENTERTAIMENT PLAZA, How much is the ST and LT.

2) In my pass visit, It seems that NEP girls hasitating to go for LT, they prefer ST, probably I am not handsome or young enough for them or perhaps there is something I don't. Know how to persuade them. I think $$$ is the best persuation stuff for them?

3) I will be staying at Majestic grande for 3 nights, I wonder aside from NEP where else can I go? I wish to go to PATTAYA but my scheduels can not permit me to do so. Since I will be there for Business and 2nd by pleassure. By the way, In Majestic grande, they don't. Charge me extra for the girls I bought in last time. Are they still do probono in this time?

4) I have try Eden girl before but take out. But I observed their girls are more older and not as sexy as those gogo girls in NEP. I did not try their 3P's I wonder if I can try it this time.

Cheers,

MD

After a not so good "massage" experience in the afternoon I go to Soi Cowboy (Sukhumvit Soi 21). I was here three years ago and I'm very exited. I Arrive a bit late around 10:30, and the street is choked with people, a cosmopolitan crowd. Using both WFG-forum and this site: [url]http://www.bangkokbargirls.info/faqs.asp#question5[/url] I'm ready for it. First I walk up and down the street looking for "Long Gun / Lucky start", but I can't find it. Anybody know how? I then go into Suzie Wong. WOW: The soapy show is on! Beautiful naked girls washing themselves with soapy bubbles. I place myself by the stage so I can look up on their pussies from below. (Neck problems!) Interesting differences: some outward pussies, some inward. All guests in the bars are now totally focused on the stage. Recommended! Then it's the body paint, self-glowing art, beautiful. At the other side I see a few couples (all-western) watching the shows, even the women seems interested. Hmm, they must be German. Back to the "dancers": should I choose one of them? No, they are to pretty and satisfied with being performers on stage to be good in bed (also probably expensive). This according to the "most beautiful girl- lousy sex theory". So I think, but later this will seem to not be so correct. Then the shows are over and it's back to normal "dancing" for the girls on stage. One of them catches my attention, she smiles at me and seems very nice. (To my experience this is an important sign when you choose a girl.) She is also beautiful, and just to my taste: quite small and slim with thin upper thighs (good for a DATY). So then it's no doubt, no reason to wait, I call here down at once. She runs down to me quickly and is overexcited. In fact I think it's the best first expression I've had with any bar-girl ever. She is from the North-east (close to Chiang May) and 23 years old. Face 8 and body 9? Unfortunately I don't remember her name. I buy her LD, we cuddle for I while, she give these very good dfk, it makes so happy I laugh. Never experienced that before, very nice! I ask about price: she says 2000 for LT. According to this: [url]http://www.bangkokbargirls.info/faqs.asp#question7[/url] That seems like very reasonably, and I concur. The drink price is 150 (both for customer and LD) , and bf is 600. We go back to my hotel: She's excellent in bed: dfk, DATY, BBBJ. 69, then all different positions. But not greek: when I touch here here anus she says: "oh no!" (her English is almost incomprehensible, BTW). Anyway, we have two sessions and she leaves 6 in the morning. A great experience!

[QUOTE=John Traveller; 1130639]Using both WFG-forum and this site:

[url]http://www.bangkokbargirls.info/faqs.asp#question5[/url]

I'm ready for it. [/quote]If I were you, I would delete these, I am not sure the admin (who pays for the Servers of ISG) will approve of advertizing other forums.

[QUOTE=John Traveller;1130639]She is from the North-east (close to Chiang May) and 23 years old. Face 8 and body 9? Unfortunately I don't remember her name. I buy her LD, we cuddle for I while, she give these very good dfk, it makes so happy I laugh. Never experienced that before, very nice! I ask about price: she says 2000 for LT.[/QUOTE]For a 23 years old with a Face=9 & Body=9, 2000LT is a great Price. Well done.

They usually ask for that price for ST.

[QUOTE=Macho Dik;1130573]1) How much is the present Bar fine charges at NANA ENTERTAIMENT PLAZA, How much is the ST and LT.[/quote]Generally around 600 for barfine. ST 1500. LT more variable, but I'd say 2500-3000.

[quote]2) In my pass visit, It seems that NEP girls hasitating to go for LT, they prefer ST, probably I am not handsome or young enough for them or perhaps there is something I don't. Know how to persuade them. I think $$$ is the best persuation stuff for them?[/quote]If they don't want LT, don't take them LT. You won't get very good service if they don't really want to be there.

[quote]3) I will be staying at Majestic grande for 3 nights, I wonder aside from NEP where else can I go? I wish to go to PATTAYA but my scheduels can not permit me to do so. Since I will be there for Business and 2nd by pleassure. By the way, In Majestic grande, they don't. Charge me extra for the girls I bought in last time. Are they still do probono in this time?[/quote]No girl fee at majestic. Besides NEP try Soi Cowboy and some massage parlours on Ratchada.

[QUOTE=Evianist; 1130696]Generally around 600 for barfine. ST 1500. LT more variable, but I'd say 2500-3000.

If they don't want LT, don't take them LT. You won't get very good service if they don't really want to be there.

No girl fee at majestic. Besides NEP try Soi Cowboy and some massage parlours on Ratchada. [/QUOTE]Hello, there. Dumb question, but the 600 is for the barfine which goes to the bar itself, and the ST and LT fee goes to the girl? So the total damage is 2100 for ST and between 3100-3600 for LT?

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy;1130219]She did not feel sorry for herself and just was doing what she had to do. She said she was only doing this 2 nights per month and 1 ST per night. And, she refused me. So I am not sure what her deal was but good luck to her.[/QUOTE]She knew she'd fall in love with you.

[QUOTE=Pita123;1130729]She knew she'd fall in love with you.[/QUOTE]Nah, she was a little bitchy now that I think of it.

And talking about love, I have the 3 freebies lined up for this week. Should be interesting. I'll take pics and send them to you

John Euro,

[QUOTE=John Euro; 1130545]When MP girls sitting outside and welcome or pull you in you, maily in Pattaya & Phuket, be shure extras are on the menu.

Easy to know or feel it most of the time, if the hands are coming to close with more than accidently touching your balls or Willy, the girl will look in your eyes to see what the reaction is, just keep eye contact, smile and make a little remark.

In street MP's where the 1 hour price is like 200 or 300bt be sure you can have a HJ extra mainly from the older providers but not always from the very young girls. Removing your towel for what ever the reason you come up with helps also to give them girl message. [/QUOTE]Thanks very much, that's great!

S

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy; 1130739]Nah, she was a little bitchy now that I think of it.

And talking about love, I have the 3 freebies lined up for this week. Should be interesting. I'll take pics and send them to you[/QUOTE]You really don't want to make my exile period easy, eh? .

Managed to get in a little bit of everything while in BKK.

#1 Bo from Mango via outcall. Got along well, great skills, first oily in a hotel room for me. 3500+500 tip.

#2 Visit to Livingstones. Nice enough place, but dead that night, and I ended up just chatting with a girl that did not really push the right buttons. Plus 700BF at 1am seemed too steep for a girl I wasn't into, so went home alone.

#3 Eden Club. Almost walked out as the selection of 4 was nothing to write home about. French owner was friendly though and persuaded me to stick around for 30minutes. 10 gals did come down finally, and I found 2 that were attractive enough (did not like the "let her pick her friend" choice and opted for an alternative, which they seemed fine with). PSE, but a bit too scripted in some ways. After about 60min they asked if I was ready for a shower. Could have gone a 3rd round, but wasn't going to push it on them. Problem with 2 girls is they chat in Thai whenever not involved in sex, and it gets boring. 3600+200 tip.

#4 Great 2hr Thai massage in afternoon. Woman (33) spoke some English and we got along well. I invited her out when she got off at midnight. Bite to eat and some live music, then took her back to my room and crashed. AM sex, breakfast and goodbye. 2000B. Probably the best experience overall. She is a professional masseuse, but had enough skills in bed that got me thinking she may be a part-time hooker too, though at no point did she suggest hooking up during the massage.

#5 Walking around Patpong. Tons of girls, some of whom were tempting. Curious as to why no one talks about them here on the forum.

#6 Walked around Soi 33. Looked pretty upscale and pricey. Checked out Londoner's Bar with their all night 2-for-1 and live music. No obvious pros, but a fun place to take a girl, no doubt.

#7 Walked near Nana plaza, but never made it inside. That and Soi Cowboy will have to wait.

[QUOTE=Asian Travels;1130837]Problem with 2 girls is they chat in Thai whenever not involved in sex, and it gets boring.[/QUOTE]It's not boring when you can understand Thai. Because you are most probably the subject of their discussion. It goes from "I don't want to suck him" to "he's dirty","I want that he finish quick, I don't like him". Or stuff like that.

[QUOTE=Asian Travels; 1130837]Managed to get in a little bit of everything while in BKK.

#5 Walking around Patpong. Tons of girls, some of whom were tempting. Curious as to why no one talks about them here on the forum. [/QUOTE]Good point.

There don't seem to be many reports on Patpong, all concentrated on NEP and Soi Cowboy + assorted MP's.

Strange.

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy;1130848]It's not boring when you can understand Thai. Because you are most probably the subject of their discussion. It goes from "I don't want to suck him" to "he's dirty","I want that he finish quick, I don't like him". Or stuff like that.[/QUOTE]Granted I don't understand Thai, but even if I did I am pretty sure the chat about which whitening cream they preferred would not get me hard.

The only gogo giirls I take are ones that are recommended by friends who for whatever reason still seem to like gogo bars even though they have been in Thailand for years. It is a foolproof method and cost effective and very rarely disappointing. My friends are old pro's and have the girls all negotiated down to 2, 000THB for long time so I simply piggy back off that pricing too (to be honest I don't know exactly how they get the girls down to that price but all these guys have extremely high standards and don't go for less than the superstars).

I don't frequent the bars much these days as personally I think referals from friends and internet dating is by far the way to go (not withstanding the fact that the internet is purely a numbers game and can be a pain sometimes due to unreliability inherent in Thai's).

Mate you are living in a dream world with a quote like this "They don't just fuck anybody. They have self respect. They want to find the guy they they really fancy, enjoy the sex immensely, and yet make some money as well. She gets her orgasms and cash too. It makes sense. Why take any guy when she get close to her spec?".

Although to be fair I am so far removed from the bar scene in Thailand that you may well be right. I wouldn't really know anymore.

[QUOTE=Syzygies; 1130195]Sure, MPs can be good for a short session. Some of us want to take a girl early in the evening, have sex, then late dinner, more sex late, a nude girl in the bed all night, wake up with a stiffy and immediately put it to good use in the morning.

Some gogo girls can be very good for this, and the barfine is typically less than the MP takeout fee. Its true you can make private arrangements, but then have to wait till girl finishes work and it gets unreliable. The best gogo girls are still very worthwhile. I have a very special hot girl or two from Cowboy that I take regularly, and have a fantastic time.

I pay a little extra to cover the girls wear and tear from multiple extended sex sessions, enough to be fair. Its only a very small ppercentage of gogo girls that are really good, and often are relatively newcomers who have not got too jaded.

Hot girls have a right to be picky! Many Thai girls are only part time or borderline prostitutes, especially in pick-up joints. They don't just fuck anybody. They have self respect. They want to find guy they they really fancy, enjoy the sex immensely, and yet make some money as well. She gets her orgasms and cash too. It makes sense. Why take any guy when she get close to her spec?

If the guy is really nice, has the right attitude, etc, he may score one of these girls. Then again he may not. I recall the odd rejection at the Thermae, for no apparent reason. Like Nic says, some girls are looking for something else, e. G. Japanese, or young dudes. [/QUOTE]

I hate to do this but this statement is so incredibly wrong and so utterly unfair to millions and millions of Thai people."They don't just fuck anybody. They have self respect". No, you are absolutely wrong. Take a walk along Silom Road at lunch time or Wireless Road or Sathorn Road and see the 1, 000's of female office workers. Take a look at the girls working behind the counters of 7/11's and thousands of others in menial jobs who would NEVER DREAM of going to a nightclub and having sex with a stranger for money. Those girls are happy to live within their means. The girls you are referring to have no self respect and are selling their bodies to pay for the blackberry or the Ipad or the nose job or the skin whitening treatment or the drugs for the Thai boyfriend or the motorcycle for the disrespectful and cheap family. Thailand is FULL of women and people who are disgusted by girls selling their bodies to acheive some material object. This is the real Thailand and these are the Thai people you need to know and be associated with. People who come to Thailand and think the way you do are the kind of people who make genuine Thais resentful of foreigners. Your statement is very very wrong on many levels and it is wrong to leave it unchallenged.

If a girl wants to sell her body for a BB or a nose job then to be perfectly clear I am paying her to please me and to leave when I want her to leave. I save my respect for the genuine Thai girls who I am more than happy to devote my time to pleasing. Of course this reflects in my attitude and body language I am sure which is why I can't be bothered with the bar scene anymore. I know what I want and where to get it and how to get it in the most straightforward way here in Bangkok. To be fair though I think you need to live and work here to appreciate the difference and also to be faor some guys who have been here for a long time still don't get it. Just my opinion but a working girl is a working girl and a "real' girl is real girl. Two completely different creatures.

[QUOTE=Bowerboy;1131004]I hate to do this but this statement is so incredibly wrong and so utterly unfair to millions and millions of Thai people."They don't just fuck anybody. They have self respect". No, you are absolutely wrong. Take a walk along Silom Road at lunch time or Wireless Road or Sathorn Road and see the 1, 000's of female office workers. Take a look at the girls working behind the counters of 7/11's and thousands of others in menial jobs who would NEVER DREAM of going to a nightclub and having sex with a stranger for money....Just my opinion but a working girl is a working girl and a "real' girl is real girl. Two completely different creatures.[/QUOTE]

Not sure I agree with you. You have more of a western conception of prostitution, which I don't think Thai people share. I've met many bargirls who fit Szyzgies description. They're doing it for the money, yes, but if they can get the money and also have a genuinely nice time and some sex they legitimately enjoy, then it's a double win for them. Many of them will happily go for a lower price with a guy they like over a much higher price with a creepy pushy guy.

And I really haven't found many people who are outright disgusted by the bargirl scene. What I've found more is curiosity. I've even taken "real" thai girls to gogo bars before because they were so interested to know what it's like inside, and could never go alone. Many of them don't like trashy low class bargirls, but in regards to the actual act of selling sex, they're not horrified by it like western women are.

[QUOTE=Bowerboy; 1131004]This is the real Thailand and these are the Thai people you need to know and be associated with. People who come to Thailand and think the way you do are the kind of people who make genuine Thais resentful of foreigners. Your statement is very very wrong on many levels and it is wrong to leave it unchallenged.

I save my respect for the genuine Thai girls.

Just my opinion but a working girl is a working girl and a "real' girl is real girl. Two completely different creatures. [/QUOTE]Well, up to a point.

Most of the girls I know are working hard to support their families or saving for the future. OK, I don't doubt some are cashing in on their good looks and willingness to oblige, then spending the money on a fake iPhone. But there is a continuous spectrum between hard-core hookers, free-lancers, part-time bar-girls, massage girls, hairdressers happy to earn some extra cash, college students, women looking for a husband, party girls, etc, right through to execs in big corporates. Not sure you can say: she's a "working girl" and she's a "real girl"?

Without knowing their story and circumstances I am happy to show them all some respect.

Yes. Why not show them all some respect? I never understand that 'I don't respect working girls' BS. After all, if they are so despicable, and you are their client, what does that make you? It seems to me these girls just didn't want to earn 200 USD a month at 7/11 and they took the other best option available to them. I'd probably do the same in their situation. And maybe so would you.

A little off topic, but can someone fill me in on the precise details of thai romantic relationships, or point me somewhere that can. Giks, mia nois, what you can expect from thai women and what they will expect / tolerate. All that stuff. Can be private message if you prefer.

[QUOTE=Evianist;1131068]A little off topic, but can someone fill me in on the precise details of thai romantic relationships, or point me somewhere that can. Giks, mia nois, what you can expect from thai women and what they will expect / tolerate. All that stuff. Can be private message if you prefer.[/QUOTE]Go to the ISG thread titled "Thai Women. Opinions and Advice". There is a ton of info and opinions there that will tell you everything you'ld ever want to know and a lot of stuff you wish you didn't. Posts by OTH {Old Thai Hand} are especially interesting. BTW, not sure if he still posts here under that username or another or if he is still even in LOS.

[QUOTE=Evianist;1131068]A little off topic, but can someone fill me in on the precise details of thai romantic relationships, or point me somewhere that can. Giks, mia nois, what you can expect from thai women and what they will expect / tolerate. All that stuff. Can be private message if you prefer.[/QUOTE]Now let me see. If you have a Mia Noi, a Fan, a Gik, what you can for sure count on is that you will get headaches. Thai girls are MASTERS at playing games and trying to fuck with your head. They will have their friends "hit" on you to see if you are faithful, they will have their friends ask you to do things to see if you are Jai-dee they will have their friends follow you, they will go to your place and pay the security to watch the videotapes and see if you go home alone or not. Well, it's a long and Rocky road. Oh, did I say they are extremely jealous?

I even had to kick out a Gik because she said she loved me and was not ok for me to see other people (and she was in a relationship with some German Guy).

For me, I like the games, but you have to be strong minded and ready because they will try and make your head spin.

I agree that there are plenty of working girls that are absolutely lovely with a heart of gold but there are an EVER INCREASING amount that are stone cold bitches.

When you say "most of the girls I know". How many of those would be bar girls and how many would be so called office girls or girls from a corporate environment? Big difference.

[QUOTE=Mouse1; 1131023]Well, up to a point.

Most of the girls I know are working hard to support their families or saving for the future. OK, I don't doubt some are cashing in on their good looks and willingness to oblige, then spending the money on a fake iPhone. But there is a continuous spectrum between hard-core hookers, free-lancers, part-time bar-girls, massage girls, hairdressers happy to earn some extra cash, college students, women looking for a husband, party girls, etc, right through to execs in big corporates. Not sure you can say: she's a "working girl" and she's a "real girl"?

Without knowing their story and circumstances I am happy to show them all some respect. [/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Bowerboy;1131198]I agree that there are plenty of working girls that are absolutely lovely with a heart of gold but there are an EVER INCREASING amount that are stone cold bitches.[/QUOTE]I think behind the facade of ALL these girls is always a Little thai girl with Dreams of something else than selling her ass for money. They all (in my opinion) started for some reason (love of sex, looking for husband, need money to buy stuff, single mums needing extra cash.) and the girls turn to Stone Cold Bitches for a reason: She got fucked over a few times by some customers, their friends introduce them to Alcohol and Drugs.

The Story that I found quite disturbing (and I am sure many have these type stories) was a girl in Thermae who was young, no kids but was forced to sell herself to pay back a loan Shark. Brother did not pay his debt and disappeared. Her family was poor and could not come up with the money so as she was the youngest, she was doing what she had to do.

A lot of people come in here and whine about the girls trying to be tricky, lazy, not liking us or being too cautious.

Well let me tell you this, more often than not, WE are the reason why they act like this.

I have heard so many stories about guys:

- being violent.

- Being Aggressive.

- Having 1 more guy waiting in the Room.

- Trying to force them to do things they don't want.

- Agreeing to a price, then paying less or not at all.

The one they hate the most is guys ordering the girls to go to their rooms. And then no-show, not be there, not answer the phone. One time a girl told me a guy wanted her to meet him at the Airport and then go to the hotel together. She took a taxi there and waited 2 hours. The guy did not show up. She messaged him and he said he was tired and went to the hotel alone to sleep. She had spent close to 800 thb Taxi.

So not she does not trust people and asks for money before she does anything. And guys will be saying "is she crazy? To ask for money upfront?"

There are things for us that are "little" but that make a big difference for some of the girls who are Poor and do this to help their children or Families.

One girl said her mum needed Blood Dialysis and Change every month so she would sleep for money to pay the hospital.

There are Sick and Crazy people out there, some of them read the Forum, silently and then go on to take advantage of these girls. These are the guys that we do not see or hear about but they are here and read the Forum.

So next time you are with a girl and she is asking for money upfront or does not trust you or dismisses you because of your nationality or ethnic background. There could be a more complicated story behind.

[quote=nicfrenchy; 1131223]a lot of people come in here and whine about the girls trying to be tricky, lazy, not liking us or being too cautious.

[/quote]so true. i think it is important to understand one thing. it is that those girls are humans in the first place. hence they deserve to be treated so i. e. with respect as one should show to any alive human being by default regardless of anything (unless that human is acting aggressively or disrespectfully himself). only then comes "prostitute", or "non-pro" or "office worker" or whatever. i hate people who show arrogance or disrespect to others (regardless of who they are) owing to their actual (or even presumed) social status. people who act disrespectfully towards others for no reason are what i would call bad-mannered or simply a "wankers". what is even more sad is that some people may know how to be polite and act so when surrounded by their family, friends and co-workers while turn into unmannered and filthy animals when not being seen by their peers. this is a problem of human's inner culture and there is nothing in the world i hate more than such double-faced individuals.

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy;1131217]The Story that I found quite disturbing (and I am sure many have these type stories) was a girl in Thermae who was young, no kids but was forced to sell herself to pay back a loan Shark. Brother did not pay his debt and disappeared. Her family was poor and could not come up with the money so as she was the youngest, she was doing what she had to do.[/QUOTE]You're right and that's part of tough thing to accept here, that a family member can do something that ultimately screws up another member as a result. Why does it always seem to be the guys who mess up and the women who suffer for it? I know of too many families where the guys live the Thai stereotype of sitting and drinking most of day while their wives support them. How far should family loyalty go?

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy;1131193]Now let me see. If you have a Mia Noi, a Fan, a Gik, what you can for sure count on is that you will get headaches. Thai girls are MASTERS at playing games and trying to fuck with your head.[/QUOTE]That's true. If you stay here long enough you will eventually run into the exception- you get lucky enough to meet one yourself or get to know one through a buddy. The thing is, they really do prove the rule. Arguing with guys who don't realize that is like arguing with someone who thinks that because he knows someone who won $10K in the lottery (don't we all?) , he can, too. Yeah, sure, it's possible. . .

I agree with you Mouse. They all have a story. And it is that story and the telling of it that puts them on one side of the line or the other. I'm over the sick buffalo needing a heart transplant but I do feel for the girls who have some genuine stories to tell and deserve a night, albeit brief, of respect and tenderness. I guess that makes me one sick puppy and I don't regret it.

[QUOTE=Mouse1; 1131023]Well, up to a point.

Most of the girls I know are working hard to support their families or saving for the future. OK, I don't doubt some are cashing in on their good looks and willingness to oblige, then spending the money on a fake iPhone. But there is a continuous spectrum between hard-core hookers, free-lancers, part-time bar-girls, massage girls, hairdressers happy to earn some extra cash, college students, women looking for a husband, party girls, etc, right through to execs in big corporates. Not sure you can say: she's a "working girl" and she's a "real girl"?

Without knowing their story and circumstances I am happy to show them all some respect. [/QUOTE]

I don't want to sound like a wanker but this is my profile just so that it is clear and to provide context.

I am 39 years old, run 10km every day day in Lumpini Park. 181 cms tall. 75 kgs. I dress fashionably and stylishly at all times and it is apparent from my appearance that I have money and am not an English teacher. I work for a multinational and am here on an expat package and have been here on and off for 7 years and speak some Thai. 85% of girls I meet on the internet are very happy to be with me as are girls that I meet casually. I am not ugly but neither am I handsome. In terms of facial appearance I am slightly above average but body wise I am in absolute top shape. I don't need to go with working girls or bar girls and I much prefer the raw sexuality of a girl that is with you purely for the pleasure with no financial incentive, however if a girl of exceptional quality catches my eye then I am interested to ask and happy to pay. By exceptional quality I mean girls of the same quality as the girl in the attached pics. She is a Penthouse Model that I met at Starbucks a few years back. Exactly the kind of girl who is now harder to find and a lot more picky which is basically what I am talking about (paid her 1, 500THB for long time and we saw each other quite often).

I always act respectfully to all people including working girls at all times. You would soon come unstuck in Thailand if you didn't. Just because I don't respect them doesn't mean I don't treat them with respect. I don't respect my boss for example but I treat him with the utmost respect. It is a big difference. In defence of the girls I respect them for whatever money they can get from a guy and the more stupid the guy and the more he is willing to spend on her then more power to the girl.

About Respect.

1. My girlfriend works for Bangkok Bank in a good position. Her family are farmers and she is from Roi Et. Her parents relocated to Rayong so they could work 18 hours a day in a factory to put their 2 daughters through university. They are great girls and both have great jobs and are moving quickly up the ladder through hard work and determination. They both now own condos in Bangkok and live within their means and help support their parents as needed which is rare. The parents would rather their children are happy and can take care of themselves until such time as they really need help when they retire. That is self respect and I respect that.

2. The woman in the condo opposite mine is from Ubon and her parents are dirt poor and she is as dark skinned as coal. Up until 8 years ago she spoke not a word of English and had a low level office job. She scrimped and saved and starved herself to learn and study English which she now speaks fluently. Never sold her body or even thought of any such thing. Today she is the manager of one division of a multinational insurance company and makes 200, 000THB per month. That is self respect and I respect that.

3. A friend from Sisaket who had the bravery to disown her family as they constantly bled her dry. Worked 3 jobs to save enough money to buy dresses in bulk and then sell them on to buyers in Thailand. Now has a very successful business and her own condo and car and takes regular overseas vacations. Never sold her body to do it and was brave enough to confront reality. That is self respect and I respect that.

All of the above girls come from dirt poor backgrounds but rose above adversity through hard work, determination and self respect. There are thousands of Thais like this including all the girls in our office who don't own BB's or ipads or expensive clothes and don't have nose jobs. They live within their means and are nice 'normal' girls just like anywhere else in the world.

The girls selling their bodies are brought up with an inherent lack of self belief and lack of self respect and their families are happy for them to sell their bodies so that brother Somchai can have a new motorcycle, the family can have a new TV or worst of all the family back in Nakon Nowehere can have a nice shiny 4 wheel drive in the driveway to show face even though no one in the family can drive it. If you spend your whole holiday in the tourist areas of Bangkok then these are mostly the people and children of these families that you meet. I feel sorry for the girls as they are part of a system that breeds lack of self respect for material gain. In retrospect it may be fair to say it is not that I don't have respect for the girl but for the system they come from. The vast majority of Thais are hard working people who want the best for their children and are prepared to work hard to give them the best. I regret to say that the girls you see in bars and freelancer joints come from lazy families who are happy for their daughters to sell their soul in the belief that it is for the better good (giving the family honour and face through material belongings). It is a great shame for Thailand and upsets many Thais that it is this section of Thai society that many foreigners base their judgements on.

Again without meaning to sound like a wanker, I don't think you can truly understand Thailand until you work here every day amongst every day Thai people instead of having only exposure to this minority section of Thais that care only about material goods and are happy for their daughters to sell their souls.

So don't get confused into thinking they are turning you down out of self respect or because they want wonderful sex! They are waiting for a guy who will come quickly, not be too vigorous and will pay the most and hopefully have a small penis! They didn't used to do that :)

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My flight to Bangkok arrives at 11:45 pm. Considering I might end up with bullshit delays and holdups and not able to get to some fun spots before they close I'm wondering where to hook up with girls after the clubs close? I considered escorts but their prices are f*ing rediculous! Any suggestions?

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy; 1130656]If I were you, I would delete these, I am not sure the admin (who pays for the Servers of ISG) will approve of advertizing other forums.

For a 23 years old with a Face=9 & Body=9, 2000LT is a great Price. Well done.

They usually ask for that price for ST. [/QUOTE]First part: Well, I just wanted to recommend a site, we all use lots of differnet sources when finfing info on the web, but maybe it's against some guidelines, so ok. But: HOW do you edit earlier posts?

Second part: Thanks, NF. Sometimes one is lucky and meet the right one, then both the service, attitude and price is good because she wants to go with you. And opposite: Bad-attitude-girls will give bad service and inflated prices at the same time.

BTW: I wrote Face=8. Also, this is in my opinion, rating will allways be a bit sujective, even if I try to follow a common standard.

For my second and third (last) evenings on Soi Cowboy I look into different bars. As my memory is a bit faint, there may be some small errors here, also for some of the bars I just look onto them quickly. In general I like Soi Cowboy, even though I have some negative comments also.

OVERVIEW:

Lucky Star / Long Gun: disappointing after the the reviews I've read beforehand, boring show and unpretty girls. But I may have been unlucky with the timing.

Rawhide: ok, but nothing special.

Five Star and Apache: small places, ok. Outside one of them a girl is desperate to get me in. A bit annoying when they grab your arm and hold it.

Deja Vu: now it's getting better: a bigger place with more girls to choose from, but I am not very impressed.

Tilac: a large place, mixed quality. Some nice girls her.

Kiss: this place looks good at first. Only beautiful girls and easy to find a place to sit. But: after a while I get the impression that the girls here are uptight, none of them looks at me, and I cannot see any other customer with a girl. All this a sign of bad attitude, but I might be wrong. Correct me then! Also they have these irritating blinking light.

After Skool: few girls and none of them interesting.

Suzie Wong: the best. All beautiful girls and they seem nice too. Excellent nude shows.

Dollhouse: Ok, some good-looking ones.

Shark: This place gave me a good first impression. Beautiful girls and (opposite of Kiss) they make eye-contact with you from stage, good! But after a while I notice a couple of things; many of the girls have large stretch-marks on their bellies. Also some of them gets too pushy. «Buy me a drink! Barfine me! »

Baccara: This place is said to more expensive, lots of Japanese customer. Seems to be a good place with some hotties, but not really to justify a higher price level.

DAYS # 2

On my second night I go back to Suzie Wong since I found that place to be the best. I sit down, and of course, my girl from last night see me and rushes over. At first I am not sure if I want to go with her again, but I can't resist her. After all she is the best. Back at my hotel things repeat themselves from last night, but now it's even better. She goes totally rabbit when I DATY her and has the Falls of Niagara between her legs. Probably the most horny Pro-girl I have ever been with. BBBJ and FS is good too, but not the 69 because she goes wild and is not careful with her teeth so I stop her before any damage. She leaves early morning.

DAY # 3.

Third night I think that I should experience something new (later this turns out to be a bad idea) and I go to Shark. A girl named Leen (?) , # 72, interests me, she looks sweet, although she has stretch-marks on her belly, she is 23 years and from Isaan. She kiss me a bit but not much, still I take the chance to go with her. Against my better judgement. She won't go LT. (Hygiene test in the morning) But she will go ST (2 hours) for 2500, I say 1500, she says 2000. Ok. I don't buy her LD, a bit strange, it seems that she is in a hurry. Then the mamasan wants to know which hotel I stay at (this is unusual) , I show her the hotel card and she is satisfied. Back at the hotel room the girl gets impatient. 'I go after you have come, ok? ' I remind her that we said two hours. Ok, we start and it's totally terrible, so opposite from my experience last night. Only a few seconds kiss, a few seconds strange BBBJ, and then she wants the condom. In addition I discover that my dick is still sore from the session at a massage place earlier in the day. Suddenly I loose all libido. I tell her that she can go now if she wants to, if so I will give her 1000. She says 1500 and I concur, because now I just want to get rid of her. She says sorry and leaves. A bad experience but I should have known better. Beware of these peasant girls from Isaan!

[QUOTE=John Traveller; 1131365]For my second and third (last) evenings on Soi Cowboy I look into different bars. As my memory is a bit faint, there may be some small errors here, also for some of the bars I just look onto them quickly. In general I like Soi Cowboy, even though I have some negative comments also.

OVERVIEW:

Lucky Star / Long Gun: disappointing after the the reviews I've read beforehand, boring show and unpretty girls. But I may have been unlucky with the timing.

End quote/

I went to midnight cowboy, tilac and suzy wong.

First very disappointed with suzy wong the nght I was there. (two weeks ago now?)

Maybe just a bad night. Not much there and I usually find it very good.

Then went to midnight cowboy and yes wow. Some very hot and lively girls.

Are they on drugs? Lot of energy and very attentive. Even when I was with another girl.

One girl. The real skinny one was all over me and with her body and I love skinny girls.

She wanted 3100 baht to go upstairs for one or two hours. This was too much for me as I am spoiled.

By filipina girls.

My filipina girl that was with me said to take her and she will wait watching the girls. But the price seemed a little too high.

Most of the girls are aggressive to get drinks and go short time. Not sure if that is good or bad.

But I spent about 3000 baht just in the bar. And had a lot of fun. Feeling and playing with about three different girls.

Then we went to tilac. The girls are nice. I found one that was very nice and bought her a few drinks. By now I was too tried to take a girl home. She was willing to go with my filipina girl and I.

Had also went for one drink in rainbow at nana. I think it was rainbow three? I forget but the second floor up the staircase / girls wanted quick drinks and even quicker short time. One girl asked 3000 for short time. She said maybe one hour.

I declined.

On to Pattaya for more fun.

Bottom line I did not take a girl on this trip to Bangkok as they wanted money beyond what I thought was reasonable. (I know I am spoiled)

I do agree about suzy wong being one of the best places. But I had a night that was not very good there.

[QUOTE=Bowerboy;1131347]I don't want to sound like a wanker but this is my profile just so that it is clear and to provide context.[/QUOTE]Sounds like you have things set up nicely.

[QUOTE]By exceptional quality I mean girls of the same quality as the girl in the attached pics.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the pics. She is definitely a 4-star lady. I think I'll start going to Starbuck's for my morning coffee.

[QUOTE]I always act respectfully to all people including working girls at all times. You would soon come unstuck in Thailand if you didn't. Just because I don't respect them doesn't mean I don't treat them with respect. I don't respect my boss for example but I treat him with the utmost respect. It is a big difference. In defence of the girls I respect them for whatever money they can get from a guy and the more stupid the guy and the more he is willing to spend on her then more power to the girl.[/QUOTE]Good points. Treating people the "Thai way" definitely smooths things out as you move through life here as a foreigner.

[QUOTE]Again without meaning to sound like a wanker, I don't think you can truly understand Thailand until you work here every day amongst every day Thai people instead of having only exposure to this minority section of Thais that care only about material goods and are happy for their daughters to sell their souls.[/QUOTE]Agreed. But one aspect of rural Thai life is there is very little emphasis on education. Many kids stop going to school when they are about 12 years old. They are also not supervised much in the village as they grow up. It is safe in the village and it plays out like one big happy family. Ma & Pa are more than happy to ship these feral kids (boys and girls) off to work once they are old enough. Usually it is only the girls who send money home.

[QUOTE]So don't get confused into thinking they are turning you down out of self respect or because they want wonderful sex! They are waiting for a guy who will come quickly, not be too vigorous and will pay the most and hopefully have a small penis! They didn't used to do that :)[/QUOTE]It's a job, right? As long as you are considered a "customer" you will be treated like one. If for some reason you gain some other status, that is when the many relationship issues that Nic Frenchy wrote about below start to kick in.

My advice to mongers coming to Thailand on holiday is bring an open mind, a fairly large stack of cash, and no unrealistic expectations other than you are nothing more than a target for crafty working girls looking to maximize their baht. The smiles are fake, the moans are fake, and the potential for problems very real. But as Nic writes, if you take control of the situation you can still have a good time with great memories for your flight back to wherever.

[QUOTE=Asian Travels;1130837]#5 Walking around Patpong. Tons of girls, some of whom were tempting. Curious as to why no one talks about them here on the forum.[/QUOTE]All the info is here already, if you search. Very little that is new ever gets said about Cowboy or Nana anyway. Patpong is not bad, if you know what to expect. Fontok recently wrote a good perspective on it.

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy;1131223]Well let me tell you this, more often than not, WE are the reason why they act like this.[/QUOTE]Fully agree. I've seen far more bad behaviour from guys than from the girls.

[QUOTE=Rocksoff;1131404]All the info is here already, if you search. Very little that is new ever gets said about Cowboy or Nana anyway. Patpong is not bad, if you know what to expect. Fontok recently wrote a good perspective on it.[/QUOTE]I spent some time in and around Patpong last week.

It is still 'OK' (and rather near my hotel) but nowhere near as good as it used to be in its 'glory days' of perhaps 10/15 years ago, when it was ABSOLUTLY GREAT and, in my opinion THEN, the best of the 'big three' in BKK!

Yes, you can still find an interesting 'playmate' if you are lucky in many of the Go-go's. Also, Safari and some of the other bars are still reasonable for an early evening drink and the possibility of some good company SOMETIMES!

Also, we must not forget Star of Light which is a BKK institution in itself.

But, I am afraid that so much of the fun of Patpong has now disappeared together with the redevelopment and bar closures of recent years!

As it says in the song 'Fings Ain't Wot They Used T'Be! '

Oh well, perhaps I am getting old!

Enjoy,

Hotman

Many thanks for this gem of a report.

[QUOTE=John Traveller; 1131365]For my second and third (last) evenings on Soi Cowboy I look into different bars. As my memory is a bit faint, there may be some small errors here, also for some of the bars I just look onto them quickly. In general I like Soi Cowboy, even though I have some negative comments also.

OVERVIEW:

Lucky Star / Long Gun: disappointing after the the reviews I've read beforehand, boring show and unpretty girls. But I may have been unlucky with the timing.

Rawhide: ok, but nothing special.

Five Star and Apache: small places, ok. Outside one of them a girl is desperate to get me in. A bit annoying when they grab your arm and hold it.

Deja Vu: now it's getting better: a bigger place with more girls to choose from, but I am not very impressed.

Tilac: a large place, mixed quality. Some nice girls her.

Kiss: this place looks good at first. Only beautiful girls and easy to find a place to sit. But: after a while I get the impression that the girls here are uptight, none of them looks at me, and I cannot see any other customer with a girl. All this a sign of bad attitude, but I might be wrong. Correct me then! Also they have these irritating blinking light.

After Skool: few girls and none of them interesting.

Suzie Wong: the best. All beautiful girls and they seem nice too. Excellent nude shows.

Dollhouse: Ok, some good-looking ones.

Shark: This place gave me a good first impression. Beautiful girls and (opposite of Kiss) they make eye-contact with you from stage, good! But after a while I notice a couple of things; many of the girls have large stretch-marks on their bellies. Also some of them gets too pushy. «Buy me a drink! Barfine me! »

Baccara: This place is said to more expensive, lots of Japanese customer. Seems to be a good place with some hotties, but not really to justify a higher price level.

DAYS # 2

On my second night I go back to Suzie Wong since I found that place to be the best. I sit down, and of course, my girl from last night see me and rushes over. At first I am not sure if I want to go with her again, but I can't resist her. After all she is the best. Back at my hotel things repeat themselves from last night, but now it's even better. She goes totally rabbit when I DATY her and has the Falls of Niagara between her legs. Probably the most horny Pro-girl I have ever been with. BBBJ and FS is good too, but not the 69 because she goes wild and is not careful with her teeth so I stop her before any damage. She leaves early morning.

DAY # 3.

Third night I think that I should experience something new (later this turns out to be a bad idea) and I go to Shark. A girl named Leen (?) , # 72, interests me, she looks sweet, although she has stretch-marks on her belly, she is 23 years and from Isaan. She kiss me a bit but not much, still I take the chance to go with her. Against my better judgement. She won't go LT. (Hygiene test in the morning) But she will go ST (2 hours) for 2500, I say 1500, she says 2000. Ok. I don't buy her LD, a bit strange, it seems that she is in a hurry. Then the mamasan wants to know which hotel I stay at (this is unusual) , I show her the hotel card and she is satisfied. Back at the hotel room the girl gets impatient. 'I go after you have come, ok? ' I remind her that we said two hours. Ok, we start and it's totally terrible, so opposite from my experience last night. Only a few seconds kiss, a few seconds strange BBBJ, and then she wants the condom. In addition I discover that my dick is still sore from the session at a massage place earlier in the day. Suddenly I loose all libido. I tell her that she can go now if she wants to, if so I will give her 1000. She says 1500 and I concur, because now I just want to get rid of her. She says sorry and leaves. A bad experience but I should have known better. Beware of these peasant girls from Isaan! [/QUOTE]

I visited this area in a huff and am delighted with MPs. But is there more to it?

1. Are girls at gogo and other bars prettier than the ones at MP?

2. Where exactly can one plenty of freelancers around sukhumvit 23 area?

3. Do you recommend to fish for cuties in classifieds / escorts sites etc before coming over or is it just a waste of time?

4. Are we pestered to buydrinks for girls at go go bars?

5. Whats the deal with multi floors in go go bars? The higher the floor the prettier and more expensive the girl?

Will really appreciate some straight answers.

[QUOTE=Bowerboy;1131347]I don't want to sound like a wanker but this is my profile just so that it is clear and to provide context.----------------------[/QUOTE]Well said and agree with you. My experiences has been similar.

[QUOTE=Margaya; 1131442]I visited this area in a huff and am delighted with MPs. But is there more to it?

1. Are girls at gogo and other bars prettier than the ones at MP? [/QUOTE]Of course they are. Why else would they be there.

[QUOTE]2. Where exactly can one plenty of freelancers around sukhumvit 23 area?[/QUOTE]There are freelancers around there? Didn't know that? Plus I don't know if you have a can big enough, though.

[QUOTE]3. Do you recommend to fish for cuties in classifieds / escorts sites etc before coming over or is it just a waste of time?[/QUOTE]Fishing is for the lazies. Just point and shoot. Its faster and easier. .

[QUOTE]4. Are we pestered to buydrinks for girls at go go bars?[/QUOTE]You are going to a BAR. What else are you supposed to do?

[QUOTE]5. Whats the deal with multi floors in go go bars? The higher the floor the prettier and more expensive the girl?[/QUOTE]Absolutely.

[QUOTE]Will really appreciate some straight answers.[/QUOTE]Of course, these are straight answers. You wouldn't think these are gay answers, would you? .

[QUOTE=PinkPearl;1131550]Bowerboy, you sound like a clone or pupil of OTH {Old Thai Hand}[/QUOTE]Ah yes, how we all enjoyed those posts that basically said 'I get the hot straight girls while you tourists get the nasty old rent-a-skanks'.

Buddhism tells us that there's no buying or selling going on here, and nothing to do with souls. It's just short-term rental of certain body parts. And there's no magic line between good and bad girls. It's one long continuum. But there's got to be a better place to discuss it than here, clogging up the Bangkok forum.

OTH was a freak.

Check my posts PP, I am legit. If you know Thailand then you know the jist of what I am saying is spot on.

The fact is if you are young, clean, inshape and polite and have a good job and nice centrally located apartment you can have a different girl everyday for free via the internet and other usual means. The group of guys I know have at times been through periods of 2 or 3 different free girls per day almost every day for weeks on end. Its the reality, but that type of action by its nature is limited to guys that are living here (you can't meet a girl in Bangkok for a lunchtime tryst if you are living in Sweden and largely they are not interested in people passing through).

The ISG is awesome for information for other locations but as you can clearly see I rarely post on the Bangkok thread or read it. As with all forums it is interesting to see peoples replies to your comments which is why I posted what I posted.

Good luck anyway. Believe whatever makes you happy.

Anyway I am not going to be goaded into turning into another OTH! Over and definitely out.

Really. Where are all the hotties?

I mean I'm not paying $120 in one of these 5 star girl establishments in BKK. Where the taxi's punt you for a commission.

Its crazy. When in Bangla road, Patong, Phuket you can meet a bird in good shape for 1000 baht to go with you.

Besides all the expensive overpriced tourist catches.

Where to go for real hotties in BKK around 20-25 age?

Cheers

[QUOTE=Bowerboy;1131796]I am... young, clean, inshape and polite and have a good job...[/QUOTE][QUOTE=Bowerboy;1131808]Your profile would be... Fat, overweight, sweaty, poorly dressed, totally out of shape no success with women...[/QUOTE]Tick tick tick, BB. We were all young once, and never again. Just wait, you'll be old and unwanted soon. I suspect you'll be chagrined regarding your uncharitable critique of your elders. Time marches on, even for you super-men.

Bowerboy, I'm sure your contributions re getting free non P4P pussy in BKK will be of interest to some readers of ISG and entertaining to others like myself. Personally, while I spend 6 months at a time there, I am not in the least tempted to learn Thai or in ever working so hard to slip my weiner in a bun.

With regards to profiling me, I wouldn't quit your day job to become a pupil of Sherlock Holmes. You would seem to be in better company with OTH who once spoke of ST in the NCP being 2000 Baht! Clearly that was not his field of expertise.

Claiming to be an old uni prof he boasted of his many conquests of "good girls" in the capitol, as well as live in young hot TGF's. All at little or no cost to himself, of course!

Being what seemed to be an expert on the culture, he offered many posts about the women, politics, and living in LOS. He related issues he had with the people in the kingdom and why, and his disdain for many things Thai, especially his coworkers & "country bumpkins". IMO he was one of the few posters who ever submitted some decent looking photos. RIP, OTH, wherever you are.

Bowerboy, I'm sure your contributions re getting free non P4P pussy in BKK will be of interest to some readers of ISG and entertaining to others like myself. Personally, while I spend 6 months at a time there, I am not in the least tempted to learn Thai or in ever working so hard to slip my weiner in a bun.

With regards to profiling me, I wouldn't quit your day job to become a pupil of Sherlock Holmes. You would seem to be in better company with OTH who once spoke of ST in the NCP being 2000 Baht! Clearly that was not his field of expertise.

Claiming to be an old uni prof he boasted of his many conquests of "good girls" in the capitol, as well as live in young hot TGF's. All at little or no cost to himself, of course!

Being what seemed to be an expert on the culture, he offered many posts about the women, politics, and living in LOS. He related issues he had with the people in the kingdom and why, and his disdain for many things Thai, especially his coworkers & "country bumpkins". IMO he was one of the few posters who ever submitted some decent looking photos. RIP, OTH, wherever you are.

Opebo do you think that the fact that "you can have a different girl everyday for free via the internet and other usual means." is so nice? Are you sure that the girls are so happy with sex only? Are you sure that some of them don't get hurt when they realize they were just manipulated for sex? You seem to value yourself for seducing women, maybe because your are still young. Some people older than you can seduce women too, even young ones, but maybe they think that if you just want sex it's more honest to pay for it, nobody gets hurt I accept that some of the girls you meet on Internet just wanted sex with a farang, but as I tend to think that women are the same all over the world, don't tell me than none of them dreamed of more.

[QUOTE=Mystery77; 1131836]Really. Where are all the hotties?

I mean I'm not paying $120 in one of these 5 star girl establishments in BKK. Where the taxi's punt you for a commission.

Its crazy. When in Bangla road, Patong, Phuket you can meet a bird in good shape for 1000 baht to go with you.

Besides all the expensive overpriced tourist catches.

Where to go for real hotties in BKK around 20-25 age?

Cheers[/QUOTE]$120 is 3. 5k, it's not much but hey, put this back in context. What are you spending $120 on? 2 hours. 6 hours, a full day?

Don't get too hooked up on price and try to have a good time.

Yesterday I went and fucked an Airforce Gal, I went all the way to the Air Force Staff Compound and it only cost me 200thb (food & Condoms). She is young, stunning and horny.

The other day, I fucked a girl in a 5 star hotel, cost me about 6k (total with room, room service and condoms) , she was a non P4P and a fantastic fuck.

I don't really care about the costs are, it does even out at the end.

Just my opinion but, if you're coming to BKK on holiday, save as much as you can, come here and have a BLAST where you don't really have to watch what you're spending and living street food and cheap girls. There are a lot of experiences to be had here. But some of them cost money.

[QUOTE=Satyr23;1131354]My flight to Bangkok arrives at 11:45 pm. Considering I might end up with bullshit delays and holdups and not able to get to some fun spots before they close I'm wondering where to hook up with girls after the clubs close? I considered escorts but their prices are f*ing rediculous! Any suggestions?[/QUOTE]Climax, Insomnia

[QUOTE=Margaya;1131442]I visited this area in a huff and am delighted with MPs. But is there more to it?[/QUOTE]Well, there is puff.

[QUOTE=Margaya;1131442]1. Are girls at gogo and other bars prettier than the ones at MP?[/QUOTE]I find girls in uniforms hot. So if you find a Military Police girl, get some pics for us.

[QUOTE=Margaya;1131442]2. Where exactly can one plenty of freelancers around sukhumvit 23 area?[/QUOTE]Soi 7.

[QUOTE=Margaya;1131442]3. Do you recommend to fish for cuties in classifieds / escorts sites etc before coming over or is it just a waste of time?[/QUOTE]Nah, you'll need the paper edition of the Bangkok Tribune for that.

[QUOTE=Margaya;1131442]4. Are we pestered to buydrinks for girls at go go bars?[/QUOTE]No, but you are expected to ring the bell once an hour.

[QUOTE=Margaya;1131442]5. Whats the deal with multi floors in go go bars? The higher the floor the prettier and more expensive the girl?[/QUOTE]The hottest girls are too lazy to climb the stairs. They stay downstairs.

[QUOTE=Margaya;1131442]Will really appreciate some straight answers.[/QUOTE]You're very welcome.

[QUOTE=Bowerboy;1131796]Over and definitely out.[/QUOTE]Aww, don't take your balls and go home. Have a bite of lunch with me and the frog one day soon.

[QUOTE=Mystery77; 1131836]Really. Where are all the hotties?

I mean I'm not paying $120 in one of these 5 star girl establishments in BKK. Where the taxi's punt you for a commission.

Its crazy. When in Bangla road, Patong, Phuket you can meet a bird in good shape for 1000 baht to go with you.

Besides all the expensive overpriced tourist catches.

Where to go for real hotties in BKK around 20-25 age?

Cheers[/QUOTE]The road behind LaBelle between 9PM and 7AM.

[QUOTE=Pita123;1131909]The road behind LaBelle between 9PM and 7AM.[/QUOTE]What's that?

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy;1131875]Yesterday I went and fucked an Airforce Gal, I went all the way to the Air Force Staff Compound and it only cost me 200thb (food & Condoms). She is young, stunning and horny.[/QUOTE]Nice, did she wear her uniform? LOL.

[QUOTE=Der Tourist;1131951]What's that?[/QUOTE]Thanon Kamphaeng phet 7, a local FL area.

[QUOTE=Jerboa; 1131966]Nice, did she wear her uniform? LOL.

Thanon Kamphaeng phet 7, a local FL area. [/QUOTE]Is this it (via google)? [url]http://www.panoramio.com/photo/30269285[/url]

[QUOTE=Pita123;1131908]Aww, don't take your balls and go home. Have a bite of lunch with me and the frog one day soon.[/QUOTE]I'm wondering who that Frog could be.

[QUOTE=Jerboa;1131966]Nice, did she wear her uniform? LOL.[/QUOTE]No, she did not want to. But Man. I saw Other girls there in their White Uniforms and some girls are Stunning!

Girl was a young stunner but not that active in Bed (fine with me, I can be the do-er). Got 3 shots and left.

She sent me an sms that same day saying she wants to see me every week but I got to say, going to that Air Force compound was a bit intimidating because while I was waiting for her to come down, I saw a lot of Thai Army or Air force guys and they were shooting me pretty nasty looks.

I told that to the girl and she told me she did not care what other think and that other girls also have parties in their rooms.

I was her second Farang and she admitted she was completely hooked on white meat LOL.

Next time I see her, I'll book a hotel, no way I'm going back there again.

I have now been doing the non P4P for a while and sometimes gets me a little tired because these ladies really can't get enough of sex. It all starts with a Clear NSA (No Strings Attached) session but ends up with them begging for more.

Anyway, let me get to the point: In the last month or so I have seen quite a fair number of non P4P Ladies (mostly fished out of Internet sites) and in a few cases, I was their first Farang (some admitted after the facts).

Thai guys are very very sweet with the ladies, they joke, they tease, they are experts at being able to pull women as GF or Giks but even though they get a lot of girls, their Bedroom Prowesses are really poor.

A sex session with a Thai guy almost always consists of a BJ for him and a Fuck. Sex is over once the guy cums.

(which can explain why some ladies think the session is over as soon as the guy cums in our ST sessions?)

Guys don't really pay attention or care about the girl's orgasms.

That is where we excel, we might not be as smooth or "Paak Wan" as Thai guys but when it comes to the Bedroom, we are a whole lot better.

For Starters, Thai girls discover that Men can do Foreplay and get them to Cum even before the fucking starts. Then the kissing and fondling and caressing. Dick Size isn't important to most the girls, all they want is to be treated like a woman and for that reason, the ones that try a Farang for the first time realises what she has been missing all these years with Thai men.

The Air Force girl I fucked yesterday told me I was her second Farang and that she only started to even think about trying a white guy because her friend told her we are really nice and affectionate and good lovers (for the most part). Gave the girl 3 shots and she came about double that. She told me the Farang she had before had a small dick but he was doing wonders with his mouth and she loved it. She said Thai guys think it's dirty and will not go down on the girls.

So guys, seems we are not that bad after all and this is not even a question of money, These ladies just want to be serviced the same way their friends are. Thai girls talk and one Thai woman who has been nicely fucked by a Farang will tell all her lady friends (who will all be excited to try).

Damn, I love this country

[QUOTE=Pita123;1131902]Climax, Insomnia[/QUOTE]I been to Climax and there were very few girls that were good looking. If you want to hook up with hot girls at after hours club, hit Scratchdog at Winsdor Hotel

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy;1131995]I'm wondering who that Frog could be.[/QUOTE]He'll have to show up for lunch and find out.

[QUOTE=Tony Hoeprano;1132060]I been to Climax and there were very few girls that were good looking. If you want to hook up with hot girls at after hours club, hit Scratchdog at Winsdor Hotel[/QUOTE]He wanted to know where to find girls after hours. I hate Climax. The smoke disgusts me and I don't operate well in that environment. Scratchdog is apparently another spot, though I've never been there.

[QUOTE=Pita123;1132089]He wanted to know where to find girls after hours. I hate Climax. The smoke disgusts me and I don't operate well in that environment. Scratchdog is apparently another spot, though I've never been there.[/QUOTE]Wow, who whould have thunk that one could find Great looking gals at a place called ScratchDogs. Guess I'll just have to go check it out

[QUOTE=Kablunak;1131851]Opebo do you think that the fact that "you can have a different girl everyday for free via the internet and other usual means." is so nice? Are you sure that the girls are so happy with sex only? Are you sure that some of them don't get hurt when they realize they were just manipulated for sex? You seem to value yourself for seducing women, maybe because your are still young.[/QUOTE]Oh what a terrible injustice you do me sir. It was not I, Opebo, who said those things. It was Bowerboy. I was merely one of his interlocutors on those subjects, and in point of fact a very critical one.

My 'profile' is just the opposite of supermen like Bowerboy. I'm old, unfit, and quite poor.

[QUOTE=Opebo;1132129]My 'profile' is just the opposite of supermen like Bowerboy. I'm old, unfit, and quite poor.[/QUOTE]In Thailand, Looks and Age don't matter. The Girls will fuck you just the same.

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy;1132013]So guys, seems we are not that bad after all and this is not even a question of money, These ladies just want to be serviced the same way their friends are. Thai girls talk and one Thai woman who has been nicely fucked by a Farang will tell all her lady friends (who will all be excited to try).[/QUOTE]You are so right Nic,

Although only an occasional visitor to Thailand I have been lucky enough to be a Thai girls 'first Farrang' on several occasions. I also get (more than) my fair share of 'freebees' from non P4P girls and even a few free ones from Thai escorts who only work in K. L. Singapore, and H. K. But like to enjoy a nice meal, or some drinks with pleasant company when they are relaxing, off duty, back in BKK.

Several girls have told me that generally Europeans are MUCH more considerate lovers than the average Thai guy and confirm that many Thai guys do not enjoy giving oral.

As DATY is something that I, personally, LOVE I am happy to do this for 'ages' which drives many of the girls absolutely WILD!

There appreciation is shown virtually every time by them ensuring that I enjoy myself!

I do not claim to be anything special in the 'bedroom department' I am just an old, but enthusiastic, English guy with, I suppose, an average size dick and rather overweight but I always try to treat the girls well.

I'm now back in UK but on my most recent trip to Thailand in addition to the usual P4P in BKK and Pattaya I managed to enjoy two 'civilians' from Craigslist. Plus one sweet girl that I found working at a street stall with the 'Dr. Fish' and, in Singapore, a young Viet spinner who was visiting for the 1st time.

OK, there is no such thing as an absolute freebee and each of these cost me 'something! ' Either a few drinks, a meal or a little taxi money but the experience on each occasion was absolutely GREAT!

No question of 'You finished yet' or 'Have to go now' from any of them.

So, in my opinion being a European gentleman with the girls pays dividends time and time again.

I can recommend it, a LOT!

Enjoy,

Hotman

[QUOTE=Hotman 666; 1132177]Several girls have told me that generally Europeans are MUCH more considerate lovers than the average Thai guy and confirm that many Thai guys do not enjoy giving oral.

As DATY is something that I, personally, LOVE I am happy to do this for 'ages' which drives many of the girls absolutely WILD!

There appreciation is shown virtually every time by them ensuring that I enjoy myself! [/QUOTE]There is a downside to this. Because if you give the girls great pleasure (and don't forget that non P4P ladies are completely clueless about most things prostitutes are used to by being with Farangs so often) then they will not let you go easily.

As a Bangkok Resident, and being in the game of non P4P quite a bit now, I totally understand the saying "you pay the P4P girls to leave" because let me tell you, these non P4P are a nightmare.

They want you to call them, sms them, send them emails, messenger chats. It is horrible.

I fucked a young stunner yesterday (Air Force gal) and today got 42 sms from her! How fucking crazy is that? She wants me to go back and see her.

I am starting to wonder if I am not better ditching all these girls and going back to my easy peasy P4P life of massage and bars. Was so much easier.

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy; 1132204]There is a downside to this. Because if you give the girls great pleasure (and don't forget that non P4P ladies are completely clueless about most things prostitutes are used to by being with Farangs so often) then they will not let you go easily.

As a Bangkok Resident, and being in the game of non P4P quite a bit now, I totally understand the saying "you pay the P4P girls to leave" because let me tell you, these non P4P are a nightmare.

They want you to call them, sms them, send them emails, messenger chats. It is horrible.

I fucked a young stunner yesterday (Air Force gal) and today got 42 sms from her! How fucking crazy is that? She wants me to go back and see her.

I am starting to wonder if I am not better ditching all these girls and going back to my easy peasy P4P life of massage and bars. Was so much easier.[/QUOTE]This craziness does not surprise me since I learned years ago from reading this site, especially OTH's posts, what to expect from Thai females. Not that the men are any better.

IME such constant repetition of SMS messages is something I sometimes get from P4P girls. Most will let it go if you don't reply within a few attempts, but others will keep sending them unanswered for days even weeks. It quickly gets to the point of just clicking on "delete all" without even reading them.

In these cases, though, I doubt this stalking has anything to do with servicing them, since our sessions are geared the other way. After all I am paying. So no DATY, for example, although I like to kiss and think that I am quite accomplished in that department, even if I say so myself.

BTW re stalking, I told one of my regulars that I had a PI follow her around to see what she was doing. She looked at me with an expression of concern, like I was being serious.

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy; 1132204]There is a downside to this. Because if you give the girls great pleasure (and don't forget that non P4P ladies are completely clueless about most things prostitutes are used to by being with Farangs so often) then they will not let you go easily.

As a Bangkok Resident, and being in the game of non P4P quite a bit now, I totally understand the saying "you pay the P4P girls to leave" because let me tell you, these non P4P are a nightmare. [/QUOTE]Hmmmmmm,

Okay I see your point.

You are a resident and may have to put up with the hassles! I am just an occasional visitor so the WORST that I can get is a pile of 'miss you' emails.

I use a Thai SIM card and turn it off when I am not in Thailand. I never use messenger and rarely call the girls when outside Thailand. If I do call I make sure that they can not check the number I call from.

If their 'interest' in me drops off before my next visit then, so be it, I will just have to look for some new freebees for my next trip! (Of course I always mix some P4P in with my freebees.)

OK, I treat them well WHEN I AM WITH THEM but am not looking for any 'long term freebees' so I suppose that it is rather easier for me than for you (as a resident!)

Oh well, sometimes life aint easy (but SOMEONE has to do it!)

Enjoy,

Hotman.

I know for sure these posts of mine will get lost in this thread, but since ISG kind of helped me in Bangkok I know its my duty to post my experiences with thanks.

Because the information on Thailand on this site is very overwhelming, and therefore difficult to come to conclusions on I needed to get outside assistance to figure out what to do in Bangkok, by outside assistance I mean various other websites.

Anywho,

Down to business.

Decided I must do the iconic thai massage, so got one at the 5 star hotel I was staying at. My advice, never get on, thai massages do nothing but hurt the shit out of you. I needed a massage after being massaged. So broken bones and torn muscles I found reviews of some massage palours close to me. 3 really stuck out, and they are the most prominent on this website with threads dedicated to them.

First is Annie massage, secondly is tulip and lastly mango massage. I have a feeling tulips and mango's would have better women, but I wanted to go to what seemed to we a Bangkok institution.

I went to Annies. It is located just off surkumvit soi 2. As you walk down its on the left side of the road. There is a taxi stand right next to it who's drivers keep asking if you want massage. Just say thank you but no.

Get to annies, and walk straight up a flight of stairs. There is a bar down but have no clue what they offer. When I got up stood at the bar and ordered a beer. The woman then shouted somthing over the mic and all the ladies assembled into the 2 'fish bowls'. As I was drinking my beer the mamasan gave me a quick tour of one of the rooms. Satisfied I sat down and drank my beer. When I finished it I chose number 99.

A quick summary of how it works there. You get in, the ladies assemble in the fish bowls, basically behind a glass window. Seated. The window on the left has girls marked with the alphabet and are better looking, the girls in the window on the right are numbered, and are less good looking, but some of them are still quite nice. The lettered girls go at 2500bhat for 2 hours, and the numbered girls go at 1700 bhat for the 2 hours.

From what I have read, the alphabet girls though hotter do not necessarily give a good service, while the numbered girls are suppised to give a really good servicing. And god damn I can attest to that.

Anyway, as I said I chose girl number 99 she was good looking, small tight enough body, and seemed like fun. The alpha girls did not look better or more enthusiactic enough to justify the extra 700bhat.

So I chose the girl and she lead me to the room. Got there to find what seemed to be clean sheets on the bed, and a bathtub, shower and sink. Ok in my opinion though these facilities were good enough, and clean enough I think a renovation would put them high above their competition. Things seemed dated there.

Anyways she undressed me and filled up the bath with soapy warm water and told me to get in. She then stripped herself and fillowed me in. She staryed by soaping ym body and rinsing it off. Then she did a through cleaning of my undercarriage.

Once and she was clean she started rubbing herself against me, very slowly and very sensously. She kissed very passionatly. Then she rinsed the sop of my cock, and I was already rock hard, she started to blow me. Starting slow, and then moving in much deeper, maintaining eye contact and stroking my balls and playing with my ass a bit. This was all amazing. She then got up and did this thing which I can only describe as an ass massage. Basically supporting herself on her hands and feet, she rubbed ber butt cheeks and pussy all over my legs and chest. The first time I've experienced this, and have to say it was out of this world! Seriously out of this world! Her pussy seems to be moist as fuck! With such an amazing view. What an experience! Then she got back to sucking me off till I came.

Rested for a couple of minutes while she stroked my chest with one and and my spent balls with the other. Then got up and she soapped me up and rinsed me off again.

Stepped out of the bath and she dried me off.

I lay down on my stomach and she expertly gave me a massage, paying alot of attention to my ass and balls. Great massage.

Then I turnd around and she massaged my front, again paying attention to my balls. This went on for about 20 min, and I was ready for round 2 she then began her expert blowjob again. Lovely, deep throating me alot. Wonderful!

Then when I was rock hard again, she slipped on a condom.

Now for those of you who have never been to Thailand, I have a suggestion to make. Always carry your own condoms anywhere you go. Now I am not where close to being a well endowed guy. Infact I am rather small. But damn, these thai condoms are fucking ridiculous. When she slipped it on it felt like someone was chocking my cock, it was litereally very very painful! I tried to bear it for a while, while she bounced up and down on my cock, but, the pain was exceeding the pleasure, and luckily I had a condom in my wallet. Slipped on that badboy and was good to go!

The sex was amazing. She was nicely tight, and old enough to have good experience, and young enough to seill be very beautiful from some certain angles. Otherwise she was just pretty.

Sex in cowgirl, then doggy, then mish, and back to cowgirl.

This was such a definitly girlfriend experience, because she would always lean forward and try to kiss me, and not just kiss normally, but really kiss passionately. On the last bit of cowgirl before I came, she leaned forward and again while kissing me got very very enthusiastic about it all, and rode me very very quickly. Now I know these girls are working professionals and all that, and can probably even fake an orgasm better than they can swindle you of your money. But I seriously got the impression that she did have one. Breathing and contracting spasms and flushed face at the end all showed as signs. But then again you never know. After she 'came' she seriously attacked me with the kissing, even more vigorously then before. Lovely!

Then wen on with the up and down motion, and soon I was ready to blow my load. So I grabbed her nice little hips, and pumped her up and down. What a great feeling then I finally came.

We laid there resting a bit while she kissed me some more. Then we got up and went for another shower. Soap and rinse and dry.

I understand that 500 is what is part of the expected fee and not really a tip, so I gave her 1000, 500 for what was due and 500 for spectacular service. She seemed very happy with this.

Kissed me good bye, lead me the way out and I went back to my hotel completely satisfied.

That is a real thai massage.

Look our for part 2.

Stay safe and play safe.

Kkreeac

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy;1132151]In Thailand, Looks and Age don't matter. The Girls will fuck you just the same.[/QUOTE]While age and looks don't matter, self image does. If one feels they are a poor soul without a dime to their name a the a pitiful life the girls won be interested.

[QUOTE=Mystery77; 1131836]Really. Where are all the hotties?

I mean I'm not paying $120 in one of these 5 star girl establishments in BKK. Where the taxi's punt you for a commission.

Its crazy. When in Bangla road, Patong, Phuket you can meet a bird in good shape for 1000 baht to go with you.

Besides all the expensive overpriced tourist catches.

Where to go for real hotties in BKK around 20-25 age? [/QUOTE]

Price levels are generally related to the [B]concentrated number[/B] of hotties in a venue. If you're willing to spend the time, you can find an occasional 7-9 in a garbage dump (like Pattaya beach road). Some of us enjoy looking.

Some of the roads less traveled (by Farang) in Bangkok are:

Kamphaeng Phet 7 (dark street parallel to Phetchaburi road) from Rachada to Phet Uthai road (near former Siam hotel). Quite a few girls, not old, good looking, heavily pimped. 1500 asking price for Farang ST. 1200 accepted. If I'm to believe a taxi driver, it's 700-1000 for Thais.

Yaowarat area. Occasional amazing lookers on Maitri Chit road (one from Hualamphong to the traffic circle). Price for a ST with a decent looker (a few *amazing* white Chiang Mai girls with long toes) is 600-800 baht. Dogs are 300 or so.

Area east of Sanam Luang (Atsadang Road) and south of Rachadamnoen Klang. Very low end (a slum) , but 300 can get you laid (you can imagine customers are lowest end too). Decent lookers go for 500, but they all have some heavy mileage on them.

Note that these are non-Farang areas, so speaking Thai helps, negotiating may be useful (know the going rate), and service is far below Farang standards (that includes Pattaya beach road, which at 500b for 1-2h remains the best deal in the world).

"Where to go for real hotties in BKK around 20-25 age?"

Siam Paragon or NCP. Same same. Take your pick.

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy;1132151]In Thailand, Looks and Age don't matter. The Girls will fuck you just the same.[/QUOTE]Yes, but poverty repels. [i]"It is fatal to look hungry. It makes people want to kick you." [/i]

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp; 1132280]Price levels are generally related to the [B]concentrated number[/B] Of hotties in a venue. If you're willing to spend the time, you can find an occasional 7-9 in a garbage dump (like Pattaya beach road). Some of us enjoy looking.

Note that these are non-Farang areas, so speaking Thai helps, negotiating may be useful (know the going rate) , and service is far below Farang standards (that includes Pattaya beach road, which at 500b for 1-2h remains the best deal in the world). [/QUOTE]You will very occasionally find a 7/8 Pattaya Bush Babe available at between 2/300. And they do provide a Farang standard service. Looking is half the fun!

[QUOTE=Kkreeac; 1132244]I know for sure these posts of mine will get lost in this thread, but since ISG kind of helped me in Bangkok I know its my duty to post my experiences with thanks.

Because the information on Thailand on this site is very overwhelming, and therefore difficult to come to conclusions on I needed to get outside assistance to figure out what to do in Bangkok, by outside assistance I mean various other websites.

Stay safe and play safe.

Kkreeac[/QUOTE]Great report, no doubt.

Only one comment on the tip.

Annie's prices are full service and there is no need to pay any extra (as your 500) ,

Of course tips are welcome (anyone wishes to get a tip, even top bank managers are running after tips with their huge bonuses) and in tehre we come to your second 500B.

I do not disupute the amount fo tip (enough said here) , but the first 500 of your 1000 to the girl were not necessary.

[QUOTE=Kkreeac; 1132244]I know for sure these posts of mine will get lost in this thread, but since ISG kind of helped me in Bangkok I know its my duty to post my experiences with thanks.

Because the information on Thailand on this site is very overwhelming, and therefore difficult to come to conclusions on I needed to get outside assistance to figure out what to do in Bangkok, by outside assistance I mean various other websites. [/QUOTE]It was so overwhelming that you did not realise we have an Annies Thread.

Great report nonetheless. Well done.

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy;1132204]As a Bangkok Resident, and being in the game of non P4P quite a bit now, I totally understand the saying "you pay the P4P girls to leave" because let me tell you, these non P4P are a nightmare...I am starting to wonder if I am not better ditching all these girls and going back to my easy peasy P4P life of massage and bars. Was so much easier.[/QUOTE]By the time you're an old codger like me, Frenchy, you won't be wondering anymore. You'll stick mostly to P4P and appreciate the freedom. Freebies and "good girls" provide great excitement for a while but it soon becomes overwhelming. You can't just have as many as you want without stepping on some of them, and there are few things worse than an angry Thai girl bent on revenge.

Hi,

I'm from NYC and will be flying from JFK to BKK.

What is the best way to exchange currency for the value?

I did know, but decided to report it in the general Bangkok reports, because Bangkok beginners like myself have no clue what annies is, and would generally go straight to the Bangkok reports thread.

I'm sorry if this was not allowed though. Ill keep future reports in their relevant threads.

Bionicman, thanks for the info. I was a bit confused because it seemed like there was a different pay system for each different palour. Sorry if I ruined the standard pay for you guys. Though I do think she was definitly worth 1000 tip in anycase. One of the best experiences of my mongering life.

Stay safe and play safe.

Kkreeac.

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy; 1132366]It was so overwhelming that you did not realise we have an Annies Thread.

Great report nonetheless. Well done.[/QUOTE]

If it's true that "women always want more than just sex" and "they are hard wired to seek commitment or at least some form of support", if you are "leading a woman on with some kind of promise of love to get sex and you're not at all interested in going there, you are committing a despicable unethical act".

Stupid "idiotic society tells people that it's totally okay for a guy to use women for NSA sex. And even more stupid, that men should feel GUILTY for actually valuing and respecting a woman by paying her."

"Paying for play is the perfect answer that is GOOD for your karma. Your provider has learned to separate love from sex, and being valued with payment means she should not need to feel used. On the contrary, she should be feeling empowered and respected."

"Stop letting society tell you what to think."

Comments?

One of the best report I have seen in a long time and I hear you when you say that it probably won't be appreciated. There is more attention to bickering, arguing and posting irrelevant responses than to real reports but still one must do what is right. Many thanks.

[QUOTE=Kkreeac; 1132244]I know for sure these posts of mine will get lost in this thread, but since ISG kind of helped me in Bangkok I know its my duty to post my experiences with thanks.

Because the information on Thailand on this site is very overwhelming, and therefore difficult to come to conclusions on I needed to get outside assistance to figure out what to do in Bangkok, by outside assistance I mean various other websites.

Anywho,

Down to business.

Decided I must do the iconic thai massage, so got one at the 5 star hotel I was staying at. My advice, never get on, thai massages do nothing but hurt the shit out of you. I needed a massage after being massaged. So broken bones and torn muscles I found reviews of some massage palours close to me. 3 really stuck out, and they are the most prominent on this website with threads dedicated to them.

First is Annie massage, secondly is tulip and lastly mango massage. I have a feeling tulips and mango's would have better women, but I wanted to go to what seemed to we a Bangkok institution.

I went to Annies. It is located just off surkumvit soi 2. As you walk down its on the left side of the road. There is a taxi stand right next to it who's drivers keep asking if you want massage. Just say thank you but no.

Get to annies, and walk straight up a flight of stairs. There is a bar down but have no clue what they offer. When I got up stood at the bar and ordered a beer. The woman then shouted somthing over the mic and all the ladies assembled into the 2 'fish bowls'. As I was drinking my beer the mamasan gave me a quick tour of one of the rooms. Satisfied I sat down and drank my beer. When I finished it I chose number 99.

A quick summary of how it works there. You get in, the ladies assemble in the fish bowls, basically behind a glass window. Seated. The window on the left has girls marked with the alphabet and are better looking, the girls in the window on the right are numbered, and are less good looking, but some of them are still quite nice. The lettered girls go at 2500bhat for 2 hours, and the numbered girls go at 1700 bhat for the 2 hours.

From what I have read, the alphabet girls though hotter do not necessarily give a good service, while the numbered girls are suppised to give a really good servicing. And god damn I can attest to that.

Anyway, as I said I chose girl number 99 she was good looking, small tight enough body, and seemed like fun. The alpha girls did not look better or more enthusiactic enough to justify the extra 700bhat.

So I chose the girl and she lead me to the room. Got there to find what seemed to be clean sheets on the bed, and a bathtub, shower and sink. Ok in my opinion though these facilities were good enough, and clean enough I think a renovation would put them high above their competition. Things seemed dated there.

Anyways she undressed me and filled up the bath with soapy warm water and told me to get in. She then stripped herself and fillowed me in. She staryed by soaping ym body and rinsing it off. Then she did a through cleaning of my undercarriage.

Once and she was clean she started rubbing herself against me, very slowly and very sensously. She kissed very passionatly. Then she rinsed the sop of my cock, and I was already rock hard, she started to blow me. Starting slow, and then moving in much deeper, maintaining eye contact and stroking my balls and playing with my ass a bit. This was all amazing. She then got up and did this thing which I can only describe as an ass massage. Basically supporting herself on her hands and feet, she rubbed ber butt cheeks and pussy all over my legs and chest. The first time I've experienced this, and have to say it was out of this world! Seriously out of this world! Her pussy seems to be moist as fuck! With such an amazing view. What an experience! Then she got back to sucking me off till I came.

Rested for a couple of minutes while she stroked my chest with one and and my spent balls with the other. Then got up and she soapped me up and rinsed me off again.

Stepped out of the bath and she dried me off.

I lay down on my stomach and she expertly gave me a massage, paying alot of attention to my ass and balls. Great massage.

Then I turnd around and she massaged my front, again paying attention to my balls. This went on for about 20 min, and I was ready for round 2 she then began her expert blowjob again. Lovely, deep throating me alot. Wonderful!

Then when I was rock hard again, she slipped on a condom.

Now for those of you who have never been to Thailand, I have a suggestion to make. Always carry your own condoms anywhere you go. Now I am not where close to being a well endowed guy. Infact I am rather small. But damn, these thai condoms are fucking ridiculous. When she slipped it on it felt like someone was chocking my cock, it was litereally very very painful! I tried to bear it for a while, while she bounced up and down on my cock, but, the pain was exceeding the pleasure, and luckily I had a condom in my wallet. Slipped on that badboy and was good to go!

The sex was amazing. She was nicely tight, and old enough to have good experience, and young enough to seill be very beautiful from some certain angles. Otherwise she was just pretty.

Sex in cowgirl, then doggy, then mish, and back to cowgirl.

This was such a definitly girlfriend experience, because she would always lean forward and try to kiss me, and not just kiss normally, but really kiss passionately. On the last bit of cowgirl before I came, she leaned forward and again while kissing me got very very enthusiastic about it all, and rode me very very quickly. Now I know these girls are working professionals and all that, and can probably even fake an orgasm better than they can swindle you of your money. But I seriously got the impression that she did have one. Breathing and contracting spasms and flushed face at the end all showed as signs. But then again you never know. After she 'came' she seriously attacked me with the kissing, even more vigorously then before. Lovely!

Then wen on with the up and down motion, and soon I was ready to blow my load. So I grabbed her nice little hips, and pumped her up and down. What a great feeling then I finally came.

We laid there resting a bit while she kissed me some more. Then we got up and went for another shower. Soap and rinse and dry.

I understand that 500 is what is part of the expected fee and not really a tip, so I gave her 1000, 500 for what was due and 500 for spectacular service. She seemed very happy with this.

Kissed me good bye, lead me the way out and I went back to my hotel completely satisfied.

That is a real thai massage.

Look our for part 2.

Stay safe and play safe.

Kkreeac[/QUOTE]

Here is my comment. You have lost all perpsective on reality when it comes to women. Many women enjoy sex in the same NSA attached way that men do and with the gender imbalance in Thailand that effect is more pronounced. There is nothing wrong with paying for sex but don't kid yourself that it is normal. It is not, regardless of where you are. Dude seriously you need to reassess the way you view women. I can scarcely beliveve what you have written. Respect is taking a woman and making her feel like a princess for a night when she knows full well that you have no long term view (you need to make that clear from day one to be fair to the girl and to avoid the problems that Nic Frenchy earlier alluded to). Girls love this and it suits many of them very well. They don't want to marry a farang but want to enjoy feeling like a woman while they wait for Thai Mr Right. Man do Thailand a favour and get it out of your head that every girl here is a hooker, Please.

[QUOTE=PinkPearl; 1132574]If it's true that "women always want more than just sex" and "they are hard wired to seek commitment or at least some form of support", if you are "leading a woman on with some kind of promise of love to get sex and you're not at all interested in going there, you are committing a despicable unethical act".

Stupid "idiotic society tells people that it's totally okay for a guy to use women for NSA sex. And even more stupid, that men should feel GUILTY for actually valuing and respecting a woman by paying her."

"Paying for play is the perfect answer that is GOOD for your karma. Your provider has learned to separate love from sex, and being valued with payment means she should not need to feel used. On the contrary, she should be feeling empowered and respected."

"Stop letting society tell you what to think."

Comments? [/QUOTE]

Interesting to read the Annie's report below, as I've just got back to my hotel after a fairly [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url]-poor time there.

The approach. Stairs, drink, relaxed setting, checking out the ladies all in good time. Was excellent and really put me in the mood. I noticed a numbered girl who looked pretty nice and picked her, although to be fair when I mentioned to the mamasan that I wanted a good massage in addition to everything else, she'd recommended a couple of others. They weren't great lookers though, so I picked the neighbour mentioned above.

We went to the room, ran a bath and I made a real effort to engage in gentle banter, which was reciprocated to some extent. Actually, the bath and the atmos was very nice indeed; it was only when we got down to the sex about an hour in (I know, I'm a fan of the slow build-up) that the disappointments began to come.

It started with a request for a tip prior to blowing me. Yep, this was made somewhat in jest, but was repeated 4 or 5 times. Tiresome and unnecessary, really put me off. After a minute or so, she said she really wanted sex, so I obliged. A few mins of mish, a few doggy, then during a second session of mish she began to pull a pained face, saying she wanted me to come. WTF? I'm a mere 6 or so inches with a very average girth at best, and I really wasn't even nearly pounding away or anything.

So, all aspects of the sex had been disappointing at best, I was now quite to get things over and done with, and let her HJ me to finish (which she did very well, admittedly, but it's not exactly difficult). Then she just lay on her side, clutching her stomach and moaning now and then, interspersed with requests of me not to be angry. I wasn't. Just deflated and, quite frankly, bored. I left quickly.

I've only had about 4 soapy massage experiences and have to say that the best was. In contrast to all reports. In Patpong about 5 years ago. So friendly, so much fun, wonderful in bed.

I'll go back to Annie's again because it has a great reputation, was well-organised, up-front and clean. I probably picked a dud and am willing to try again, but I left very disappointed.

The most convenient way (although will probably get you a lousy exchange rate) is the bank exchange counters (Bangkok Bank, Kasikorn Bank, and I think another bank has a counter there) right when you pass immigration, before you get to the taxi touts. That way, you have money to pay the cab to your hotel. Another option is an ATM in the airport. The best rates are at Super Rich money exchange locations ([url]http://www.thebangkokshoppingguide.com/super_rich_money_exchange_bangkok[/url]). I'll be in Thailand next month and plan on just taking money out of the ATM. I don't have much time to waste trying to get the very best rate just to save a few baht.

[QUOTE=Azndevilus; 1132496]Hi,

I'm from NYC and will be flying from JFK to BKK.

What is the best way to exchange currency for the value? [/QUOTE]

Stayed at Hotel Nana last night. This place sucks. The front desk staff is really shitty. I usually stay at the Ibis or Grand Sukhumvit but it was my youngest brother's first time so I wanted him to have the Nana Experience. All the SWs in the car lot were asking 1000 ST. I found one older one who wanted 1000 LT. I told her I would be back later but when I went back she was gone. I ran into a girl who was actually a freebie for me a few years back because she couldn't take any more dick and just wanted to leave without money. She was so fine the first day that I would have married her. But after a few years she has gotten older and gone downhill. We will always have money but their looks will fade. Finally got a girl for 500 ST. She was pretty good.

[QUOTE=Bowerboy;1132625]Girls love this and it suits many of them very well. They don't want to marry a farang but want to enjoy feeling like a woman while they wait for Thai Mr Right.[/QUOTE]Absolutely!

All the non P4P girls I am chatting up (or banging already) know full well there is no future with me besides the sex. The issue is now, like last night, when 3 girls want to fuck on the same day! Not easy to always find excuses. P4P is easier in that aspect.

I was happy yesterday because I found a girl on Tagged who was looking for Frendship only. After a few messages, we upgraded to Msn, and after a lot of laughs we opened the Cams. She went wild. Gave me a stip and masturbation show. She said she had never done that before and was really turned on. She is contemplating the idea of calling in Sick today so that I can visit her room.

All she wants is sex. She has no BF, does not want a Farang, she just wants pleasure.

[QUOTE=Kkreeac;1132244]I understand that 500 is what is part of the expected fee and not really a tip, so I gave her 1000, 500 for what was due and 500 for spectacular service. She seemed very happy with this.[/QUOTE]I have also had mind-blowing experiences at Annies. I don't give big tips though, maybe 300 depending on the service. Last time I went, my favourite wasn't in the fishbowl as it was already quite late. Mamasan saw I wasn't biting and said there's still some more girls inside. We turned and there was my favourite coming down the corridor in her street clothes (denim shorts and t-shirt). When she saw me, her face lit up in a big smile and she ran to me and jumped into my arms. Seriously. I love to carry her around. And as regards enjoyment of sex, after getting my rocks off, she wouldn't rest before I'd done my duty by her as well, kissing and DATY and fingers.

"there is nothing wrong with paying for sex but don't kid yourself that it is normal. it is not, regardless of where you are. dude seriously you need to reassess the way you view women. i can scarcely beliveve what you have written. . . man do thailand a favour and get it out of your head that every girl here is a hooker, please."

bowerboy, you are certainly entitled to your opinion. however you seem to have overlooked that the post you were replying to was in quotes. it was not my opinion, but that of a farang female sp. hence the request for feeback or comments. also, sherlock, as to every tg being a hooker, who would be so ignorant as to think that?

regarding the paying for sex not being "normal", i don't know what you are trying to say. prostitution is one of the oldest professions in the world, dating back to ancient times.

"prostitution is historically and culturally ubiquitous, [8][9] with every culture adopting their own standards and attitudes."

[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/prostitution[/url]

"prostitution as a profession has been around as long as there's been a recorded history, in some cultures prostitutes were considered valuable important members of society who held places of authority and had influence on the society of their day and surprisingly it's not all that long ago either. in italy in the time of the medici's courtesans were highly respected and had to be very well educated and highly intelligent to make their mark. in a lot of cultures young men were taken to "courtesans" in order to be trained and enter their lives as men."

in thailand i've heard it is common for young men to lose their virginity with an experienced courtesan.

"thai society has its own unique set of often contradictory sexual mores. visiting a prostitute or a paid mistress is not an uncommon, though not necessarily acceptable behavior, for men. many thai women, for example, believe the existence of prostitution actively reduces the incidence of [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url]. [9] among many thai people, there is a general attitude that prostitution has always been, and will always be, a part of the social fabric of thailand. [9]

"according to a 1996 study, the sexual urge of men is perceived by both thai men and women as being very much stronger than the sexual urge of women. where women are thought to be able to exercise control over their desires, the sexual urge of men is seen to be "a basic physiological need or instinct". it is also thought by both thai men and women that men need "an occasional variation in partners". as female infidelity is strongly frowned upon in thai society, and, according to a 1993 survey, sexual relationships for single women also meets disapproval by a majority of the thai population, premarital sex, casual sex and extramarital sex with prostitutes is accepted, expected and sometimes even encouraged for thai men, the latter being perceived as less threatening to a marriage over lasting relationships with a so-called "minor wife". [15]

[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/prostitution_in_thailand[/url]

finally, a few more quotes & a wrap:

"but we all pay for it in a round about way don't we? whisk them off to a swanky restaurant followed by entry into a club and not even the slightest whiff of a blowjob at the end of it all? clearly not spent enough! or got to 'know them' well enough is the oft used euphemism. so it's a few more dates of much of the same and then, finally, it's sex without ties or, if you're really unlucky, on condition of a relationship so you get baggage thrown in to the mix as an added extra! that is, of course, hyperbolic but then again is it really when you strip it all down to the bare bones of human interaction?

"in the unpredictable and sometimes baron world of 'dating', where the paragons of virtue can look down their noses from up on high at their moral inferiors who use the services of working women, it's perfectly feasible to spend the best part of the price of a new television set and receive nothing more than an ego battering for your trouble. with a hooker you'd get a ride and she'd at least have the good manners to pretend to like you."

"then again, anyone here ever been married? wives, the most expensive working girls. and they don't even do the business most of the time! i know a guy who worked out his wife cost him on average over £2000 per lack-lustre shag. and that was not mentioning the emotional cost of losing your home, kids, etc."

"they checked various figures length of average married frequncy of sex during the relationship, cost of being married and cost of divorce. in short they came up with a figure of how much it cost a man to be married and how often he had sex with his wife. the final figure came out just under 300 dollars for each sex act.

"i used to bargain with my husband towards the end, he would nag me so much to have sex, so i would say ok if you help me hang the washing out after! not actually paying for it in monetary terms but he paid for it none the less!"

"my friend used to have to shag her husband before he would 'let' her go for a girly night out."

"we all pay for sex in one way or another, it may not always be the coin of the realm we part with, sometimes its a new washing machine, sometimes a three piece suite, sometimes it even costs us a little pride or dignity, but lets face it a shag is a shag so lets just hope that whatever you are paying you get value for, just imagine giving up something even if it is just your time and energy for a snide ride, eeeeeew."

"i've heard of women using sex as a weapon because that's what that actually is. so what would you say if he said "i'll let you have sex if you help me repair the car"? same thing ain't it?"

"i think paying for sex is rational. by paying for sex, i get to have sex with attractive, intelligent women who wouldn't let me buy them a drink in a bar. so, fantasy fulfilled, i get to "bonk" the cute ladies and it costs about what i would spend failing to get sex from a bitter pof date my age."

as a middle aged guy i can pay the young hottie to do it immediately without any significant blabbing, relationship entanglements or feeling i'm leading someone down a path for my own ends that i'll probably cut off.

personally i prefer to pay for sex to an sp because it's less expensive. also much more convenient, hassle free, anonymous, to the point and with the clear understanding of being truly nsa.

in the end, though, whether you pay for sex before the fact to an sp, or pay at another time, through time spent / dating, dining & wining, child or spousal support, etc, who doesn't pay for it? and if all or even most do pay, then paying is the norm, iow "normal".

Going to spend time at this hotel. Does anyone have any experience if it is GF?

Lex

[QUOTE=Lex460; 1132910]Going to spend time at this hotel. Does anyone have any experience if it is GF?

Lex[/QUOTE]Maybe you could find the answer here if you even bothered searching a little and instead of posting in the wrong thread

[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?1029-Bangkok-Hotels[/url]

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy; 1132738]I was happy yesterday because I found a girl on Tagged who was looking for Frendship only. After a few messages, we upgraded to Msn, and after a lot of laughs we opened the Cams. She went wild. Gave me a stip and masturbation show. She said she had never done that before and was really turned on. She is contemplating the idea of calling in Sick today so that I can visit her room.

All she wants is sex. She has no BF, does not want a Farang, she just wants pleasure. [/QUOTE]Funny idea of meaning of "Friendship Only".

[QUOTE=Attention; 1132641]Interesting to read the Annie's report below, as I've just got back to my hotel after a fairly [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url]-poor time there.

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It started with a request for a tip prior to blowing me. Yep, this was made somewhat in jest, but was repeated 4 or 5 times. Tiresome and unnecessary, really put me off. After a minute or so, she said she really wanted sex, so I obliged. A few mins of mish, a few doggy, then during a second session of mish she began to pull a pained face, saying she wanted me to come. WTF? I'm a mere 6 or so inches with a very average girth at best, and I really wasn't even nearly pounding away or anything. [/QUOTE]Its simple. The Annies price is not really "all inclusive" despite what they say. So, no tip, no service. You should have just answered "of course a nice tip" to alleviate her concerns, so that her mind could get back to service.

Girls don't want to have sex for just taxi money.

Its not really so much about the place, its more about the girl and the chemistry.

@nic: to avoid headaches you should be even more honest and tell them that not only is it just NSA sex, but you are having it with multiple girls. You will loose some who just can't accept it but some will be ok with it, and over time you'll get better at convincing them and you'll build a base of several girls who are perfectly fine with it. No more headaches or need for excuses.

[QUOTE=Lex460; 1132910]Going to spend time at this hotel. Does anyone have any experience if it is GF?

Lex[/QUOTE]Its totally girl friendly. I entered with three, even no check of ID. Great rooms especially the balconies are great for whatever you want to do.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1132935]Its simple. The Annies price is not really "all inclusive" despite what they say. So, no tip, no service.[/QUOTE]That's not been my experience at all.

[QUOTE=Chill Out;1132970]@nic: to avoid headaches you should be even more honest and tell them that not only is it just NSA sex, but you are having it with multiple girls. You will loose some who just can't accept it but some will be ok with it, and over time you'll get better at convincing them and you'll build a base of several girls who are perfectly fine with it. No more headaches or need for excuses.[/QUOTE]I doubt very many guys who enjoy the "hunt" as they often call it are upfront that they want NSA, let alone that they are doing it or want to do it with many women. Another point as food for thought on this subject that I was just reading is the following comment:

"I want to make a point about women who claim to want NSA sex because in my experience that's a lie too. They may claim to want just a romp in the sack but are really looking to trick a man into a relationship. Sometimes this tactic works, more often it does not, and either way brings on more heartache because it starts with a lie. Now that it's more socially acceptable for women to admit to being horny, NSA sex appears to be something younger women feel ok with asking for but I'm still convinced that it's just another (dishonest) avenue to the same goal. If there is an emotional connection and the sex is good, relationship is still the desired outcome. The exception would be married and bored or married and dissatified but even that will lead to a relationship. A different kind of relationship with different rules but a relationship just the same. I do not believe that women are (as a rule) able to overcome or ignore their most basic nature any more than a man is."

[quote=attention; 1132641]interesting to read the annie's report below, as i've just got back to my hotel after a fairly [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url]-poor time there.

.....
i'll go back to annie's again because it has a great reputation, was well-organised, up-front and clean. i probably picked a dud and am willing to try again, but i left very disappointed. [/quote]you should have posted this in the annie's section of this forum.

aye, who manages the place, would read it and might pm you.

honestly, despite what people say that annie's is not really all inclusive, it is meant to be all inclusive and the tip is really a tip to be given afterwards (they might ask you for it anyhow)

but in the middle of the action in an all inclusive soapee, well, this is far too much and kills the mood.
it should be reported to annie's management or the mama-san

[QUOTE=Chill Out;1132970]@nic: to avoid headaches you should be even more honest and tell them that not only is it just NSA sex, but you are having it with multiple girls. You will loose some who just can't accept it but some will be ok with it, and over time you'll get better at convincing them and you'll build a base of several girls who are perfectly fine with it. No more headaches or need for excuses.[/QUOTE]Trust me, they know there is no way anything beyond sex can be had. But how can I stop them from having feelings?

For a non P4P girl, as much as they want NSA sex, somehow, they will feel something. So now I limit to 2 sex sessions max per girl.

Finally broke my Bangkok cherry. I don't know how to explain to you guys how valuable this website and your inputs have been. Thanks to all for the posts and info. I read every post before I got here. I felt real good about how things work. I landed around 8am in BKK after a 20 hour flight from LAX. Got to the hotel and washed off the 20 hour travel funk. It was still early morning so I started walking. Wanted to get a feel for were everything is at. The sky train is cool and cheap for a day pass. Found Nana and cowboy, places were empty, but I expected that. Ate some lunch at a good open air food vendor on Soi 7, I think? As I sat there I see a lot of girls entering the Beer Garden across the street. This is where I will try out all that I learned. Well it works just like you guys have stated. Walk into the beer garden and there are like 20 girls and 15 or so guys. All the girls are making eye contact and waving, found that I had to look away to keep the lower rated 5-7 girls from coming over. Nursed a coke for about 20 minutes checking out the girls. I did not expect much in that it was 2pm or so. But then I found a very cute and my type across the room. My rating puts her at age=26, body=9, face=9, a cups, but I like that. Made eye contact, she waved, I waved her over. She came and sat down, I said Hi, she said Hi, and then I asked here if she wanted to go to my hotel. I was horny and got right to the point. She accepted very enthusiastically. I will most likely do it slower next time. We catch a taxi back to the hotel. Just a note, have a map of where your hotel is if you can. The taxi driver can drive around a bit acting like they don't know were it is. Maybe they don't, maybe they do, just know where you are at. So I failed that test, but it only cost me 80 when it should have been about 40, what every. Anyways, back at the hotel every thing that I read about. These girls are great actors and I love it. Shower, BBBJ, DATY, dfk. 69 and all that, true GFE. Went for about 40 minute's total. Just awesome! Total damage 2500 for ST, I know some may say this is more then I should of, but it felt right. Plus if you look at how much we pay in the US for crap service that is not bad. I walked her out after we were done. She would have stayed if I wanted, but I don't like, am not so good at, the small talk thing. Going to try and get better at that this trip because I want to have one lucky girl stay the night. She never asked for any money the whole time which I though was cool. Even as we got dressed and started to leave, not a word about money. I am looking forward to the next 9 nights in Bangkok. Thanks guys for all of your great wisdom. I know for a fact that I would have been way lost in this city without your info.

Thanks

[QUOTE=Duneslider6969;1133082]Went for about 40 minute's total. Just awesome! Total damage 2500 for ST, I know some may say this is more then I should of, but it felt right.[/QUOTE]Thanks for your first report.

I am not usually one to comment about pricing but as you are staying another 9 nights in Bangkok, better let you in on the price structure:

Freelancers: Beergarden, Gullivers, Thermae = 1, 000 thb short time (for me it is 2 hours and 2 shots + Photos)

Street Meat: 500thb Short time and you can promise another 500 as tips for spectacular service so that they do it good.

Oil Massage: Extras are 500 HJ. 1000 BJ. 1500 FS.

Soapy: Depending on the Shop.

GoGo Bars: 1500 to 2000 ST. 2000 to 3000 LT (depending on the bar and the girl)

Beer Bars: 1000 to 1500 ST. 1500 to 2000 LT.

For your Beergarden Girl, you paid her 2500 thb for 500thb worth and while I know this is still cheaper than the US, overpaying that much won't make you pass for a nice guy but rather a mug.

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy; 1133127]I am not usually one to comment about pricing but as you are staying another 9 nights in Bangkok, better let you in on the price structure:

Freelancers: Beergarden, Gullivers, Thermae = 1, 000 thb short time (for me it is 2 hours and 2 shots + Photos) [/QUOTE]IME in recent years they generally ask 1500-2000 ST at Thermae, as several other reports I've read indicate. One hour if you're lucky. Though if you can find an ugly overweight TG there, she might go for 1K.

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy;1133127]Street Meat: 500thb Short time and you can promise another 500 as tips for spectacular service so that they do it good.[/QUOTE]What is Street Meat? SWs at Nana Car Park were typicly 1000 baht from 2007-2010, and I read a report the other day that said it is still that way. No surprise there.

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy; 1133127]Oil Massage: Extras are 500 HJ. 1000 BJ. 1500 FS.

Soapy: Depending on the Shop.

GoGo Bars: 1500 to 2000 ST. 2000 to 3000 LT (depending on the bar and the girl)

Beer Bars: 1000 to 1500 ST. 1500 to 2000 LT. [/QUOTE]I won't comment on these as I never go there. Hopefully the info is more accurate than the above.

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy;1133127]For your Beergarden Girl, you paid her 2500 thb for 500thb worth and while I know this is still cheaper than the US, overpaying that much won't make you pass for a nice guy but rather a mug.[/QUOTE]The girl was a stunner in looks, so I'd say at least 1500 ST was reasonable, and extra for good service.

[QUOTE=PinkPearl; 1132992]I doubt very many guys who enjoy the "hunt" as they often call it are upfront that they want NSA, let alone that they are doing it or want to do it with many women. Another point as food for thought on this subject that I was just reading is the following comment:

"I want to make a point about women who claim to want NSA sex because in my experience that's a lie too. They may claim to want just a romp in the sack but are really looking to trick a man into a relationship. Sometimes this tactic works, more often it does not, and either way brings on more heartache because it starts with a lie. Now that it's more socially acceptable for women to admit to being horny, NSA sex appears to be something younger women feel ok with asking for but I'm still convinced that it's just another (dishonest) avenue to the same goal. If there is an emotional connection and the sex is good, relationship is still the desired outcome. The exception would be married and bored or married and dissatified but even that will lead to a relationship. A different kind of relationship with different rules but a relationship just the same. I do not believe that women are (as a rule) able to overcome or ignore their most basic nature any more than a man is."[/QUOTE]

The concept of NSA casual sex doesn't really exist in Thailand, because thai men who simply need to be satisfied on a purely physical level have plenty of brothels and massages available. If you seek this from non-P4P thai women, they'll often say something like "What, you want free sex from me?" The theory is that if you just want sex, you should pay for it. Regular Thai women who have sex under the guise of NSA are giving you a free sample to test in the hopes that you'll get hooked and she'll end up with a boyfriend of some sort, which eventually happens if you mess around enough, whether you want it or not, since every man has his emotional weak points and gets lonely at times.

Thai women have sex for money or for romance. Sometimes for both, but very rarely for neither.

If you treat them really well and respectfully and manage to part ways with them smiling in spite of the fact that they failed to land a boyfriend, you'll survive, but fail to do this a couple times and you can land yourself in some trouble.

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy;1133127]GoGo Bars: 1500 to 2000 ST. 2000 to 3000 LT (depending on the bar and the girl)[/QUOTE]ST=1000-2500 depending on the conditions

[QUOTE=PinkPearl;1132992]I doubt very many guys who enjoy the "hunt" as they often call it are upfront that they want NSA, let alone that they are doing it or want to do it with many women. "[/QUOTE]Who cares what very many guys do? Not many guys have much clue how to make things happen. The advice came from my direct experience. It works, if you can make it work. I think Nic has some game, just food for thought for him to consider. I used to do it the way he does it now, ie multiple girls, lying to all of them. Too complicated and not necessary IMO.

I ended up going to Siam Paragon for the teeth whitening and the glasses. I knew I would pay more but also that it would be good and quick. Case in point, I walked in the Britesmile office and was getting work done within 2 minutes – with no appointment. Both the whitening and the glasses were done in 2 hours. Whitening was 13, 500. I recommend these guys for the excellent service, if price is of no concern.

(Sorry for the long report. It was an eventful day.)

After taking care of my bank account opening, I decide to broaden my horizons beyond Nana and check some MP for the first time (been in Asia for 10 years, but haven't mongered for long).

From my research in this forum. 2 names often popped up for the MP with the hottest girls: Amsterdam and Nataree. Believe it or not, I like hot girls, so those are on my list for the day. I'll give detailed directions since those were missing when I researched.

To go to Amsterdam, you take the MRT to Phra Ram 9. Take exit 3 at that station, you'll get out in front of Mercure hotel (or Grand Mercure? Something like that). Behind you is a big field in construction. When you face the Mercure hotel with the construction behind you, Amsterdam is that big European style building across the street to your left. As you approach you will see a big Amsterdam sign on the roof. You really can't miss it.

I get in Amsterdam at 4 PM. I thought I had read that it was fine, recommended even, to go to those places early. Well it's not. At 4 PM, there is about 20 girls. 15 are in the front row, they are the cheapest, which isn't saying much, because Amsterdam is crazy pricey. These front row girls are 3, 500 or so. Most of them look horrible – there is maybe 1 or 2 I would do for free, but not for 3, 500 or even for 2, 000. They are several levels below Nana girls.

In the back they have their 'models' girls. Only about 3 or 4 at that hour. Only one of them actually looks, somewhat, like a model. Tall, quite beautiful, but not quite magazine cover material. She is 5, 200 baths. I almost go for it, but the day is young, and I would like more choice. The mamasan promises me more 'models' soon but after 15 mins and nothing happening, I decide to head out and go check Nataree.

To get to Nataree, you take the MRT to Huai Kwhang. Nataree is across the Swiss Hotel Concorde, so don't take the exit 2 'Concorde'; take exit 3 'Emerald hotel' and walk straight for about 100 meters. There is a big Nataree sign; you can't miss it.

I get in Nataree at 5 PM. Again, I'm disappointed by what I see. There is maybe 10 girls in the fishbowl and 30 girls outside of it. None of them really stands out as a stunner. I actually ask if they have a different floor for 'model' types, or if this is it. Well, this it it. Ok then.

I sit down and get a beer, scanning the room. After a while, I decide to go for a cute little girl outside the fishbowl. She is cute, but maybe an 8. Not a girl you would do a you-turn for in the street, which is what I'm after. Her body will also prove to be skinnier than I like (and I do like skinny!). That's another problem with MP: you don't get to see the bodies before you make a choice, compared to the go-go bars. Also, I don't know if a gym membership is compulsory in Nana, but most of the girls there have really toned, athletic bodies – not so much here in Nataree.

Anyway, we have fun, and I leave around 6:30. A bit more girls are present when I leave, and I notice 2 stunners in the fishbowl. Oh well.

I head back to the Amsterdam area. I eat at some small street stalls I spotted earlier, and get a one hour foot massage. I need some time to recover and I'm enjoying the rest.

I'm back inside Amsterdam at 8:45 PM. Double the amount of girls now, around 40. Girls in the front row still look horrible. There are more mid-level girls (in the 4000 bath range) in the back, around 10 – there were none at 4 PM.

There are now around 10 'models' on the side. Of the 'models', I only find one really attractive – not the same as

Before, a new one. She is 5, 600, very tall, beautiful face. The other ones are nothing special and way, WAY overpriced at 5, 000+ baths. A 2, 000 Nana girl is cuter. Their top girl (6, 200 baths!) has fucked up teeth and way too much make-up on. I wouldn't do her for free. WTF?

I find more attractive girls in the 4000 range than at their top level. But in the end, remembering the stunners I saw in Nataree, I decide none of them is worth paying that much, and I head back to Nataree.

At Nataree, I'm actually disappointed when I take a longer, closer look at the 'stunners' I though I had seen earlier. They really aren't that stunning. I get a beer, look around some more, nothing really motivating. I get out to go back to Amsterdam (I know, I know. I'm in research and discovery mode.)

Outside of Nataree, I'm stopped by a tout. I know the rules, but this one is actually very nice and entertaining. He sells me on this Cupidity (or Cupidy?) MP. Unfortunately for him, I don't find any of the 30 girls on his flyer attractive. He then tries to sell me on G1, saying it's full of hot girls. I pass since I don't have time to waste on uncertain leads today. (Anyone knows about these places?)

Back to Amsterdam at 10:20. Massive change of scene in the last hour and a half. At this point there is only 7 or 8 girls left. All the girls are gone working. Lesson learned, the right time to go to Amsterdam seems to be around 7-8 PM.

I leave and go to Nana, where I know I can find something good. Somehow, when the Rainbow bars were 2 third empty yesterday (Tuesday) , they are now packed wall-to-wall with customers (Wednesday). WTF?

I find a cute 19 year old in Rainbow 3, and make my first costly mistake. The mamasan asks me to pay in advance, and I agree (I'm a bit drunk and tired at this point, I wouldn't do that otherwise). In the short time hotel, the girls turns out to be aloof and uncooperative. I'm also tired, and can't finish. After a while, we give up. At that point, I only want to pay her 1, 000 instead of 2, 000, since she didn't really do a good job. I give her 1000 and leave. Of course, I had already paid the mamasan, so I ended up tipping an extra 1000 to possibly the worst performer I've ever had. I only realize this the next day. *Facepalm*

I still want more fun so I immediately head to Rainbow 4.

I sit down there and get a beer. After a while I motion to a girl but she nods she doesn't want to come down for me. The same thing happens with the next girl. WTF? Both of them were the hottest in there IMO. I'm told a bit later, by another girl, that these two only do Japanese. Ok then. First time this happens to me in Rainbow.

After a few minutes a girl comes and sits on my lap enthusiastically. I usually go for looks not enthusiasm, and I've never gone for a girl who choose me before. I like to choose myself. But this one looks quite nice, she is fun and happy, and seems to like me a lot. I decide to go for it. Since it's around 1 AM now and I need to leave my room at 6 AM, I negotiate 3, 000 LT. She agrees easily.

In the room, this girl turns out to be the best P4P performer I've ever had. I'm a bit tired (I've had 5 girls in the last 24 hours) and after a while of nice sex, I start doubting that I can finish. I tell her that we should just give up. Most P4P girls would agree in a heartbeat, or even suggest it before you do, but not this one. She fucks my brains out and then sucks me until I eventually, to my own surprise, manage to come in her mouth. It took a long time to get there and I'm really amazed and grateful at how hard she worked at it. She is also really nice to have around before, during and after.

We fall asleep and wake up at 6 as I have a plane to take. I give her 3, 500, ie a 500 tip for the hard work and the excellent attitude. I would have given her a 1, 000 tip but we only had sex once and she only stayed a couple of hours, so I figure this is more than enough already.

Any respected poster here wants this girl's reference, PM me. No barebackers, sorry. Also, keep in mind that she choose me in the bar, and later told me she fancied me as soon as I come in. I can't guarantee she would be as nice to you. But I think this one is a real pro so I would bet on it. Treat her nice, guys.

Day 2 damage: 3 girls, lots of drinks, and about 15, 000 baths spent in less than 10 hours. Happy to go to Samui so I can chill for a while.

What I learned (or re-learned) :

-Don't get too drunk. It clouds your judgment, makes you take stupid decisions, and it gets expensive.

-Nurse your drinks. In Nana staff very aggressively pushes for you to buy drinks as soon as you don't have one. No matter how many you consumed before. They actually gesture as if they are going to kick you out (though they don't actually do it). Get a big beer and nurse that until you are ready to go (unless you really want to spend and get drunk of course: whatever floats your boat).

-Never pay in advance. I knew that already, and got screwed for forgetting this rule.

-If you think you see a stunner and plan to come back for her, make sure you REALLY take a hard look and actually like her, even if your balls are empty and you are just leaving for now. A passing glance might make for a wrong impression and a disappointing return trip.

Question for when I return: WHERE ARE THE HOTTIES? Nataree and Amsterdam, while having some OK girls, were a disappointment after the built-up expectations from reading the reports here. I will give Amsterdam another chance. But where else? Poseidon? Where is the real SMOKING HOT stuff these days?

[QUOTE=Chill Out;1133291]I used to do it the way he does it now, ie multiple girls, lying to all of them. Too complicated and not necessary IMO.[/QUOTE]That's true. But in my defense, I always use the same Lie so very easy to remember hehehehehe. It is indeed complicated anytime you touch the non-pro scene and no matter how clear you are about No strings sex, if the girl is fucked good and respected, she won't let you go easily.

P4P is really good for a Hassle Free life. Done it for 6 years already so I change it a little with a lot of non P4P this year. But I'll eventually go back to the simpleness of P4P.

[QUOTE=Evianist; 1133150]If you seek this from non-P4P thai women, they'll often say something like "What, you want free sex from me?" The theory is that if you just want sex, you should pay for it. Regular Thai women who have sex under the guise of NSA are giving you a free sample to test in the hopes that you'll get hooked and she'll end up with a boyfriend of some sort, which eventually happens if you mess around enough, whether you want it or not, since every man has his emotional weak points and gets lonely at times.

Thai women have sex for money or for romance. Sometimes for both, but very rarely for neither. [/QUOTE]I find that in general any place you go women just want you to be honest. Sure you will lose a few, but you will be surprised at the things most women will accept if you tell the truth.

As for what Evianist is saying I have a short story. My ex girlfriend from about 3 years back is a real estate agent in Pattaya. She has a car. Her family has multiple houses. Her brother is an engineer. She comes from a decent background. She has never said anything to me about money. But a few weeks ago I found myself trying to go out with her again. She asked if I was going to give her money. I was like huh? She said that I give the girls in the discos money so why shouldn't she have some too. She said she is tired of trying hard in life and it not paying off, so if I wanted to be with her I would have to give her money. I laughed it off but I will never admit that I have ever given anyone money. Nope. I am not rich. I live in a simple room and do not have money to throw around like that. So it's love me or leave me.

[QUOTE=Azndevilus; 1132496]I'm from NYC and will be flying from JFK to BKK.

What is the best way to exchange currency for the value?[/QUOTE]I bring cash, keep it in the room safe, and exchange it as necessary at the money changers. This could be at bank booths, Superrich, or the independents found around town. Bring new and pristine $100 USD bills (and show them first) to expedite the transaction.

If you do ATM withdrawals at Thai owned banks you will be charged 150b ($5) per transaction, so you would want to take out as much as possible each time. This is not convenient though if at the end of the trip you are trying to have a minimum amount of baht remaining.

One away around the fee would be to have an account at a foreign bank that has physical branches in Bangkok. I have done this with HSBC, but they only have one location in Bangkok (near Lumpini Park) so this is more of an emergency backup scheme.

The exchange rate at the airport is poor compared to what you can get in town. For that reason, when you arrive, you should only exchange enough for initial ground transportation. $20 should cover the cost of a taxi from the airport to most Bangkok hotels.

SunLover

How do you guys think the disaster in Japan will affect the market in Thailand? Do you think there will be any japaneese mongers coming to BKK for some time?

From what I have read here the flights from japan to BKK has been filled up by mongers every weekend and that prices have rised because of that.

I think about the poor girls who will see their income disappear or get lower. And maybe good times for the rest of the mongers as / if prices falls.

[QUOTE=Dextro Sol; 1133405]How do you guys think the disaster in Japan will affect the market in Thailand? Do you think there will be any japaneese mongers coming to BKK for some time?

From what I have read here the flights from japan to BKK has been filled up by mongers every weekend and that prices have rised because of that.

I think about the poor girls who will see their income disappear or get lower. And maybe good times for the rest of the mongers as / if prices falls. [/QUOTE]Don't believe everything you read.

[QUOTE=Duneslider6969;1133082]awesome! Total damage 2500 for ST, I know some may say this is more then I should of, but it felt right. Plus if you look at how much we pay in the US for crap service that is not bad. I walked her out after we were done.[/QUOTE]Your not In Kansas anymore Dorothy, you can't compare the crap mongering In the US to BKK, you say you spent a lot of time reading this board, well why not use the Info? 2500b Is to much for a Beergarden FL, you could of got ST with her for 1kb-1.5kb, It will be an expensive 9 days for you If you carry on overpaying.

[QUOTE=Chill Out; 1133299]Outside of Nataree, I'm stopped by a tout. I know the rules, but this one is actually very nice and entertaining. He sells me on this Cupidity (or Cupidy?) MP. Unfortunately for him, I don't find any of the 30 girls on his flyer attractive. He then tries to sell me on G1, saying it's full of hot girls. I pass since I don't have time to waste on uncertain leads today. (Anyone knows about these places?)

The mamasan asks me to pay in advance, and I agree (I'm a bit drunk and tired at this point, I wouldn't do that otherwise). In the short time hotel, the girls turns out to be aloof and uncooperative. I'm also tired, and can't finish. After a while, we give up. At that point, I only want to pay her 1, 000 instead of 2, 000, since she didn't really do a good job. I give her 1000 and leave. Of course, I had already paid the mamasan, so I ended up tipping an extra 1000 to possibly the worst performer I've ever had. I only realize this the next day. *Facepalm*

Question for when I return: WHERE ARE THE HOTTIES? Nataree and Amsterdam, while having some OK girls, were a disappointment after the built-up expectations from reading the reports here. I will give Amsterdam another chance. But where else? Poseidon? Where is the real SMOKING HOT stuff these days? [/QUOTE]The tout outside Nataree would of taken you to Cupidy or J1, not G1, these two offer commission to touts, so you would of paid something like 3k-3. 5k rather than 1800b at Cupidy.

4pm Is still early for most MPs, Including Amsterdam, you just had to time It right to find the girl your looking for, why didn't you try the other MPs along Ratchada like Emmanuelle and Posiedon etc?

The paying In advance malarky Is getting more common In gogos, my guess Is that the mamasan knew the girl was a champion Starfish, so there Is no way you'd be happy to pay after LOL.

Yes some of the girls In the J-bars like Rainbow will only go with Japs, as they pay big baht and finish quick.

[QUOTE=Dextro Sol; 1133405]How do you guys think the disaster in Japan will affect the market in Thailand? Do you think there will be any japaneese mongers coming to BKK for some time?

From what I have read here the flights from japan to BKK has been filled up by mongers every weekend and that prices have rised because of that.

I think about the poor girls who will see their income disappear or get lower. And maybe good times for the rest of the mongers as / if prices falls. [/QUOTE]It should definitely affect tourism from Japan. There was an article in Bangkok Post about that and it does make sense. They will have more important stuff over the next few months than mongering. Coincidentally I'll be in BKK at the end of April which should be the "peak" time of the clean-up and sorting out in Japan after all that mess. Cynical it may sound, I guess it's going to be good for us over the next few months in a sense of decreased tourist inflow from Japan which, hopefully, means less crowded bars and less attitude from the girls. So no "she only does Japanese" as happened to Chill Out and some others in Nana and soi Cowboy.

But that will be a temporary thing (3-5 months or so perhaps) after which things will come back to "normal". Japan is a country and society where people are well prepared (mentally and in material terms) for stuff like that and a few months later it will be going as if nothing happened.

First off, Thank for the Great Post.

[QUOTE=Chill Out;1133299]In the back they have their 'models' girls. Only about 3 or 4 at that hour. Only one of them actually looks, somewhat, like a model. Tall, quite beautiful, but not quite magazine cover material. She is 5, 200 baths. I almost go for it, but the day is young, and I would like more choice. The mamasan promises me more 'models' soon but after 15 mins and nothing happening, I decide to head out and go check Nataree.[/quote]Mistake #1, if you really like a Girl, and still want to check out Nataree, why not book her? Tell Papa you want to take her and will be back in one hour, give him 1, 000 Deposit and tip him 100.

Then if you find something else, all you lost is a mere 1, 100 thb. And knowing you can afford 5, 200 for a girl, then it won't be a huge loss.

(that's what I would have done)

[quote]I get in Nataree at 5 PM. Again, I'm disappointed by what I see. There is maybe 10 girls in the fishbowl and 30 girls outside of it. None of them really stands out as a stunner. I actually ask if they have a different floor for 'model' types, or if this is it. Well, this it it. Ok then.[/quote]Not all sideliners at Nataree are Pros, some are student who want a new iphone or bag and need quick cash. They are not the Stunners you see in GoGos but people like their "innocent" approach to prostitution (if there is such a thing). Nataree is better on Weekends and a Saturday or Sunday@3pm, there can be about 60 girls in there.

[quote]Anyway, we have fun, and I leave around 6:30. A bit more girls are present when I leave, and I notice 2 stunners in the fishbowl. Oh well.[/quote]And you didn't take them? Why?

[quote]I'm back inside Amsterdam at 8:45 PM. Double the amount of girls now, around 40. Girls in the front row still look horrible. There are more mid-level girls (in the 4000 bath range) in the back, around 10 – there were none at 4 PM.

There are now around 10 'models' on the side. Of the 'models', I only find one really attractive – not the same as

Before, a new one. She is 5, 600, very tall, beautiful face. The other ones are nothing special and way, WAY overpriced at 5, 000+ baths. A 2, 000 Nana girl is cuter. Their top girl (6, 200 baths!) has fucked up teeth and way too much make-up on. I wouldn't do her for free. WTF? [/quote]Criteria for Models and Prices is based on Asian Taste, not Farang.

[quote]Outside of Nataree, I'm stopped by a tout. I know the rules, but this one is actually very nice and entertaining. He sells me on this Cupidity (or Cupidy?) MP. Unfortunately for him, I don't find any of the 30 girls on his flyer attractive. He then tries to sell me on G1, saying it's full of hot girls. I pass since I don't have time to waste on uncertain leads today. (Anyone knows about these places?)[/quote]Cupidy is for Arabs, old Thais and dumb Farangs. They have mostly overweight uglies there in the FB. And Touts love to promote this place because Cupidy gives 500 baht to any driver that brings in Customers.

The Other place was J-one, another bad place IMHO.

AND. The ladies on the Flyers are not only heavily photoshopped, they don't work in these places at all.

[quote]After a few minutes a girl comes and sits on my lap enthusiastically. I usually go for looks not enthusiasm, and I've never gone for a girl who choose me before. I like to choose myself. But this one looks quite nice, she is fun and happy, and seems to like me a lot.[/QUOTE]Always go for the girls that choose you, they will surely perform better than the Stunners (who usually do 3 or 4 ST in one night). Obvously, the girl has to appeal to you but Enthusiasm is good.

[QUOTE=Der Tourist;1133491]Cynical it may sound, I guess it's going to be good for us over the next few months in a sense of decreased tourist inflow from Japan which, hopefully, means less crowded bars and less attitude from the girls. So no "she only does Japanese" as happened to Chill Out and some others in Nana and soi Cowboy.[/QUOTE]Lately, it's been very quiet on Soi Thaniya in Silom Sala Daeng. Maybe some of the Japanese only clubs will change their "admission policy?" Personally, I won't hold my breath for that one.

In any event, thanks to Mother Nature's wrath, there will be many baht hungry ladies eagerly waiting for you.

[QUOTE=Chill Out;1133299]After a while I motion to a girl but she nods she doesn't want to come down for me. The same thing happens with the next girl. WTF? Both of them were the hottest in there IMO. I'm told a bit later, by another girl, that these two only do Japanese. Ok then. First time this happens to me in Rainbow.[/QUOTE]Next time, Here's what you do. Tell the waitress to go see that girl and tell her you are ready to pay 10, 000 LT. The girl will then happily Join you. Buy her a drink and make her laugh. Then ask her where she is From. She will say "Roi-et" (or some other province) and they you say "oh, sorry, I don't take ladies from Roi-et", bye.

I think that should give her a good taste of her own medicine.

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy;1133503]Next time, Here's what you do. Tell the waitress to go see that girl and tell her you are ready to pay 10, 000 LT. The girl will then happily Join you. Buy her a drink and make her laugh. Then ask her where she is From. She will say "Roi-et" (or some other province) and they you say "oh, sorry, I don't take ladies from Roi-et", bye. I think that should give her a good taste of her own medicine.[/QUOTE]You might have to run quickly before the claws come out, though!

[QUOTE=Chill Out; 1133299] (We fall asleep and wake up at 6 as I have a plane to take. I give her 3, 500, ie a 500 tip for the hard work and the excellent attitude. I would have given her a 1, 000 tip but we only had sex once and she only stayed a couple of hours, so I figure this is more than enough already.

Question for when I return: WHERE ARE THE HOTTIES? Nataree and Amsterdam, while having some OK girls, were a disappointment after the built-up expectations from reading the reports here. I will give Amsterdam another chance. But where else? Poseidon? Where is the real SMOKING HOT stuff these days? [/QUOTE]Well Chill Out, with respect to your list of lessons learned, you left out the most important: Never pay over 1000 Baht. Just kidding. Great report. As far as Smoking Hot goes, I agree they're few and far between, and I hope someone answers your question, I'd like to know too. On two recent trips to Bangkok, I saw several in CM2, but they were quoting high prices and were on the cold side. Rainbow 4 had one or two. I didn't spot any at Poseidon the one time I visited.

Originally Posted by Kablunak

Opebo do you think that the fact that "you can have a different girl everyday for free via the internet and other usual means." is so nice? Are you sure that the girls are so happy with sex only? Are you sure that some of them don't get hurt when they realize they were just manipulated for sex? You seem to value yourself for seducing women, maybe because your are still young.

Oh what a terrible injustice you do me sir. It was not I, Opebo, who said those things. It was Bowerboy. I was merely one of his interlocutors on those subjects, and in point of fact a very critical one.

My 'profile' is just the opposite of supermen like Bowerboy. I'm old, unfit, and quite poor.

Sir, very sorry for my mistake, I realized it too late. We do agree on Bowerboy comments, who may be more complex that what he reveals about himself. Member of the NonSuperman club too, but still having fun.

I don't think Thailand really has a lot of physically "hot" girls like we understand the term in the west. Definitely not in the P4P scene anyways. It's a lot of 6s and 7s. Probably the hottest I've seen have been at freelancer nightclub type places. And amongst civilians, I do see some hot girls at Paragon or just randomly around the city.

The reason why thai girls are great is more their attitude and personality. If you want stunningly hot, I'd go to south america or eastern europe.

[QUOTE=Fon Tok; 1133497]Lately, it's been very quiet on Soi Thaniya in Silom Sala Daeng. Maybe some of the Japanese only clubs will change their "admission policy?" Personally, I won't hold my breath for that one.

In any event, thanks to Mother Nature's wrath, there will be many baht hungry ladies eagerly waiting for you. [/QUOTE]Your photo's are lookin' better and better, Fon Tok.

I've always been a face man.

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy; 1133503]Next time, Here's what you do. Tell the waitress to go see that girl and tell her you are ready to pay 10, 000 LT. The girl will then happily Join you. Buy her a drink and make her laugh. Then ask her where she is From. She will say "Roi-et" (or some other province) and they you say "oh, sorry, I don't take ladies from Roi-et", bye.

I think that should give her a good taste of her own medicine. [/QUOTE]Yer vicious, Frenchy.

And brilliant!

[QUOTE=Evianist; 1133548]I don't think Thailand really has a lot of physically "hot" girls like we understand the term in the west. Definitely not in the P4P scene anyways. It's a lot of 6s and 7s. Probably the hottest I've seen have been at freelancer nightclub type places. And amongst civilians, I do see some hot girls at Paragon or just randomly around the city.

The reason why thai girls are great is more their attitude and personality. If you want stunningly hot, I'd go to south america or eastern europe.[/QUOTE]How hot a guy thinks a girl is is quite a subjective thing. You may think those at afterdark dot com are all 6's and 7's at best, while another guy will see 5 max and still another guy will see a number of 8's and 9's.

[url]http://www.afterdarkasia.com/Home/Magazine[/url]

A lot of men prefer the wild big booty busty Brazilian type of woman over the small slim spinner Siam sweeties. Actually, though, one can find both body types and everything inbeween at either location.

Personally I think the Hong Kong ladies at sex 141 dot com may be the hottest I've ever seen anywhere. But I've noticed some Brazilian sites that had some stunners too. Someday I hope to visit both countries.

[QUOTE=Chill Out;1133299]Question for when I return: WHERE ARE THE HOTTIES? Nataree and Amsterdam, while having some OK girls, were a disappointment after the built-up expectations from reading the reports here. I will give Amsterdam another chance. But where else? Poseidon? Where is the real SMOKING HOT stuff these days?[/QUOTE]Nice report Chill Out! On the second to last day of my trip, I find myself wondering the same thing: where are the 9's and 10's? Or shit, even the 8's seem to be in short supply.

What I really want now is to just find the smoking hot chicks. You know the kind you see at import tuner car shows and shit- whatever the cost! I've already wasted several days sifting for diamonds among the garbage, now I just want to throw money at the problem. Please no lectures on prices, if you know where these chicks are, even if its one of these JP clip joints, or some overpriced escort service, let me know and I'll come with the bangin trip report. Rainbow 4 was unimpressive (and girls bitchy) , Baccara was probly the best so far but I'm still not wow'd by anything I've seen here thus far.

Grateful in advance!

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy;1133495]Not all sideliners at Nataree are Pros[/QUOTE]You didn't actually write this, did you?

Be VERY careful of NF's "advise"; he cost you big money

[QUOTE=Xion149;1133638]What I really want now is to just find the smoking hot chicks. You know the kind you see at import tuner car shows and shit- whatever the cost! I've already wasted several days sifting for diamonds among the garbage, now I just want to throw money at the problem.[/QUOTE]Ok, well like everything in life, there is always a product available that fits your requirements if you know who to talk to to guide you in the right direction.

I see you want to throw money at this so you are not stingy or cheap, and I would guess that you are not staying at the Citadines Class hotel either? 5 star hotel?

Well in this case, Approach your concierge. Yes, the man with the keys and knowledge od what's what and who's who. Ask him politely that you would like a girl sent to your room that is no less than a 10/10. Be precise that money is no object because many of these girls only go with Asians (mostly Japanese or Korean Hi-class businessmen). The man will most likely show you pictures of girls that are either models of magazines, moror shows, Pritties (expats will know) , and even a few second rate actresses.

You can choose the girl you like and let the concierge do the rest.

I have no idea what the cost will be but My guess is over 10k (without the Tip for our concierge)

You can express your concerns about the pics being photoshopped and the concierge will let you know the details of the girls.

Good Luck and have fun.

PS: Beware. The models and stunners here are almost always chosen to fit Asian Criterias (Slim, Young, White, and very pretty)

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy;1133648]Well in this case, Approach your concierge. Yes, the man with the keys and knowledge od what's what and who's who. Ask him politely that you would like a girl sent to your room that is no less than a 10/10. Be precise that money is no object because many of these girls only go with Asians (mostly Japanese or Korean Hi-class businessmen). The man will most likely show you pictures of girls that are either models of magazines, moror shows, Pritties (expats will know) , and even a few second rate actresses.[/QUOTE]

These girls are going to be hot according to Thai aesthetics, not western.

I recently went with a thai girl to what was supposedly a beauty contest and sat there in horror at what thais consider beautiful. All the actresses on tv and models that thais fawn over are also major yawns. It's just far, far away from my own opinion. The problem starts first and foremost with how they do their makeup, and then continues to most everything else.

Americans, Europeans and Latinas tend to agree on beauty more often than not. It's only Africans and Asians who seem to be off on their own tangents.

It's a shame really, because I can envision many thai girls I see being really gorgeous if they only knew how to do it correctly (for me).

[QUOTE=Xion149; 1133638]Nice report Chill Out! On the second to last day of my trip, I find myself wondering the same thing: where are the 9's and 10's? Or shit, even the 8's seem to be in short supply.

What I really want now is to just find the smoking hot chicks. You know the kind you see at import tuner car shows and shit- whatever the cost! I've already wasted several days sifting for diamonds among the garbage, now I just want to throw money at the problem. Please no lectures on prices, if you know where these chicks are, even if its one of these JP clip joints, or some overpriced escort service, let me know and I'll come with the bangin trip report. Rainbow 4 was unimpressive (and girls bitchy) , Baccara was probly the best so far but I'm still not wow'd by anything I've seen here thus far.

Grateful in advance! [/QUOTE]Girls working as models not necessarily are available for P4P.

True that anywhere in the world some do, but you cannot take it as a rule, so the hunt is hard and the prices are high, even if the lattest is of less significant importance for you

[QUOTE=Jerboa;1133481]Your not In Kansas anymore Dorothy, you can't compare the crap mongering In the US to BKK, you say you spent a lot of time reading this board, well why not use the Info? 2500b Is to much for a Beergarden FL, you could of got ST with her for 1kb-1.5kb, It will be an expensive 9 days for you If you carry on overpaying.[/QUOTE]You are right. As I have had time to process it and going back and reading some posts again. I now see that I was caught up in the moment, like the newbie I am. But I am easing back on the overpay deal and going to fine tune.

[QUOTE=Xion149;1133638]What I really want now is to just find the smoking hot chicks. You know the kind you see at import tuner car shows and shit- whatever the cost! I've already wasted several days sifting for diamonds among the garbage, now I just want to throw money at the problem.[/QUOTE]You need a rich Thai Bangkokian to introduce you to the scene where extremely gorgeous girls are available only through specialized pimps. Price range from 15k +. This scene is not available for any tourist coming into BKK for vacation, you need a connection.

Go hang with the rich thais and you will find what you're looking for.

[quote=jerboa;1133483]the paying in advance malarky is getting more common in gogos, my guess is that the mamasan knew the girl was a champion starfish, so there is no way you'd be happy to pay after lol.[/quote]very possible. or maybe because it was rainbow 3, which is just near the st hotel. the mamasan told me,"you pay 2, 900 for the girl, the barfine and the hotel together". first time this has been proposed to me but it also was my first time in the third rainbow. being drunk, i thought "hey awesome, this will save me the 2 mins of paying at the hotel".

[quote=nicfrenchy;1133495]mistake #1, if you really like a girl, and still want to check out nataree, why not book her?[/quote]i didn't know that was an option. thanks for the tip. i don't think i would ever do that though. i like to keep my options open, and i wouldn't like the feeling of wasting 1, 000 baths on nothing, if i got tied up somewhere else.

[quote=nicfrenchy;1133495]not all sideliners at nataree are pros, some are student who want a new iphone or bag and need quick cash. they are not the stunners you see in gogos but people like their "innocent" approach to prostitution[/quote]interesting. didn't know that.

[quote=nicfrenchy;1133495]and you didn't take them? why?[/quote]i'm not 18 anymore. i'm 35. at this point i prefer some time between rounds. especially when i pay. i want to be enjoying, not struggling to finish etc.

[quote=nicfrenchy;1133495]cupidy is for arabs, old thais and dumb farangs. they have mostly overweight uglies there in the fb. and touts love to promote this place because cupidy gives 500 baht to any driver that brings in customers.[/quote]well, glad i remember the rule: never follow touts (no matter how nice).

[quote=nicfrenchy;1133495]always go for the girls that choose you, they will surely perform better than the stunners[/quote]true. i've read that wisdom before, and i'm slowly getting there, not quite totally yet. there was a girl totally going for me at nataree with crazy enthusiasm, but i passed for a girl marginally better looking. in hindsight, most likely a mistake.

[quote=nicfrenchy;1133495]you say "oh, sorry, i don't take ladies from roi-et", bye.[/quote]hehe that would be a riot! i don't take it personally when the girls reject me though. it's just annoying to make a decision and then have to be back at square one. hopefully this is not a habit that will spread too much.

[quote=tiny 12;1133536]on two recent trips to bangkok, i saw several in cm2, but they were quoting high prices[/quote]thanks tiny. i will have to take a look at cm2. can anyone confirm that hotties are there?

[quote=xion149;1133638]i've already wasted several days sifting for diamonds among the garbage, now i just want to throw money at the problem.[/quote]i get ya, i kind of feel the same way, though it's a pitty it would get down to this. you would think it wouldn't be that hard to find really hot girls in bkk.

[quote=bionicman;1133664]girls working as models not necessarily are available for p4p.[/quote]it's just a figure of speech. it means "model quality". some bars use that terminology too. obviously it doesn't mean they are models for real.

Well back to business.

I'm trying to recall all this from memory as it was a couple of weeks ago, but if you bare with me ill get it all out somehow.

I believe it was Friday the 25th of feb, I know this because I had a very important meeting at 9pm. So because I needed to be sharp for this decided not to venture out into the day for any thing aside from a good lunch at some crepe restaurant where the waiters all dress up as mimes. Nice food. The greek salad is to die for.

Any way. Work got over at 10pm so decided to make my first trip to soi cowboy. Did a bit of research and found a site called bang*girls. This though evidently dated gave me an overview of what I wanted to know. Which was basically a review of all the bars in sio cowboy and nana plaza. I decided to on this first day go to the best recommended ones at soi cowboy.

First one I entered was baccara. Wow. This is what I'm talking about. It was the first on on the strip, and the closest one to my hotel and the first on I entered. I thought that is this is the begining of things I want to move to BKK. Short description.

Large ground floor, ladies dance on a stage in short skirts and bikini tops or similar. Mirrors on the side of the stage which angle to look up the skirts of the girls dancing. Girls are pretty cute. Not stunners but cute none the less. Look up and is the glass ceiling which doubles as the dancing stage for the girls on the second floor. Again you look through the glass ceiling and get to look up their skirts. Which is sometimes not needed seeing as they dance naked quite often aswell. Any way I spend a grand total of 3 minutes downstairs, because I am told I can smoke upstairs. So make my way up and realise is much nicer here anyway. I sit at the bar and order a beer. The girls upstairs are in school girls uniforms, and sometimes go fully clothed, sometimes topless and sometimes fully naked, depending on the shift. There are also girls dressed somewhat elegantly (for working girls) working the room, not going up on stage. I drink more beer. I am officially in love with this place!

Have a couple more beers, and its 11. So decided I got to find out what else soi cowboy has to offer. So I make my rounds of a fe other places in no particular order. See a live stage show in a couple of places. Nice. One which stood out was suzie wongs. (I'm really sorry I remember all the names of the places, but don't remember which one was which. After a few places met an oldtimer who has been there for ages, I talk with him outside afterskool. He tell me when I go to the toiled not to touch anything. Because that bar is known as the specialty in-house handjob bar. And people use the bathroom to wipe themselves off.

He takes me on a mini tour of the bars he likes, and somewhere we get lost. I'm a bit drunk, averaging 3 beers each place I go, and when you add 6-8 places you'll understand why. Anyway I fumble into one bar which I really liked, low level stage, but very very long. And bright colours. Probably the most colourful brightest bar in the place, I want to say shark but I'm not sure. They also have ping pong balls you can throw at the girls aswell. A girl from the stage sits next to me, and asks for a drink very sweetly. I oblige. And she is tall skinny, and has a very very big smile, a kind of girl I find would be fun on a night out in a club. Any who have a couple more drinks with her and then she ask if I'm interested in taking a girl. I said yes I'm interested in taking her. She then says no no, she doesn't go home with anyone. I'm confused. And to be honest, a little ticked off, she shows me a couple of other girls who are ready to go, but in my annoyed drunking state say I'm not interested and walk out. Head back to baccara, this is my home. Go upstairs and see some women, but the place is dwindling out, its about 2:30 already. I'm glad, because in the state I was, I'd probably take a girl back to my hotel and forget not being able to perform, I would have just passed out. Which according to my prediction was right, at closing time I left baccara, stumbled to my hotel and went straight to sleep.

Day 3

I wake up feeling fresh, I get some stuff I need to get done in the afternoon, and relax the rest of the day walking around surkumvit. Bloody hot and humid though. Get back to the hotel at around 7. I relax a bit and then go and meet a friend for dinner in the arab area.

The place we were at had to my middle eastern working ladies, which my friend told me were from iran, come to BKK to service the middle eastern men. I think this is ridiculous, because there they can get all the women they want and I know I've spent alot of time in the middle east. Why come to BKK to do what you can do back home. Anyway.

After dinner we say good bye and I walk all the way back to soi cowboy. This time I make a pledge to myself that I won't get as drunk as I was the last night, and work my way across the bars from the ashoke road side. Again frequent a few of the bars, and finally decide to hit baccara.

Get there and happy as usuall, second floor, order my beer and watch the show, meanwhile chatting to some other visitors. I like this place because I until then had not had to many women pestering me. Then it happened. A girl, probably a 6 in my book came and sat next to me and asked me for a drink. I know this is stupid, but for some reason I can never say no, no matter how uninterested I am in the girl. She gets a drink. Meanwhile I am still watching the show as she is trying to warm up to me. But I'm not giving her anything. But she still perceveres. I am still watching the stage show, and notice this one girl, short, large fake tita and big smile, again like the previous one someone who you would have a great time taking to a club or anywhere. Anyway she is also occupied by this other guy. Then I see what bewilders me. The same girls I saw the last night I was there when I fell in love, this cute looking, very japanese face. Except now there are 2 of her! I flipped out! Cute innocent but fun looking japanese twins. I'm ready to pounce but then notice that again if you snooze you loose, one of them is sitting with this one japanese guy and the other is hovering around alone. The one with the jap guy leaves. And I want them both or nothing you can't break up a set, its just not right. So I give up of that and say tomorrow ill come in and get them both nice and early. Its getting later and this one I'm with is still putting in so much effort, so I decide that she would be a good experience even though she is not that good looking. So I start paying attention to her, she seems alot happier. She then asks if I'm interested in taking her I say yes, she says she want 3000 for the night, I laugh it off and say no way. Then counter with 1000. She tell me not to be so ovbious and loud with my counter offer, which I didn't think I was. Anyway I pay the barfine. Of 5 or 600 bhat I forgot what it was, she goes and changes and we leave. The 3 minute walk back to the hotel she does nothing but complain. Her heels are really high and she can't walk. My thought are why then change at the bar. The point of changing is to get into somthing a little less slutty and being able to get where your going. Any way we get to the hotel and breeze past reception. They couldn't care less. Get to the room and was suprised. Not pleasently,

She takes off her clothes, and needless to say I was very disappointed. Any way got to get the stuff done, so I go in for a shower and she joins me for a but, then we towel off and get into bed. And the action starts. First cowgirl, then mish, then some doggy. She blows me for a while. And she was acting like a dead fish throughout. Not the same girl from the bar at all. Very disappointing session and when I finally cum, I go for a shower and she starts asking me if she can go. This is all maybe about 40 minutes since we've entered the room. Normally I'd expect her to stay at least a couple of hours. But since I was not happy with her at all I said yes she could go. So I handed her 1100, and she said thank you and left. I was relieved when the door shut behind her. I decided to watch a little tv and pass out.

I guess I underpaid for the girl, but I got under service. I always generally overpay, and ensure a big tip if service is good, which I did with this one, but service was just flat out bad, hence the small tip.

This is a very big contrast to the experience I had the next night.

Stay safe and play safe.

Kkreeac

"And I want them both or nothing you can't break up a set, its just not right"

Ahahah. Isn't it funny how greedy BKK can make one become?

Another excellent report. Thanks again.

[QUOTE=Chill Out; 1133299] (Sorry for the long report. It was an eventful day.)

After taking care of my bank account opening, I decide to broaden my horizons beyond Nana and check some MP for the first time (been in Asia for 10 years, but haven't mongered for long).

From my research in this forum. 2 names often popped up for the MP with the hottest girls: Amsterdam and Nataree. Believe it or not, I like hot girls, so those are on my list for the day. I'll give detailed directions since those were missing when I researched.

To go to Amsterdam, you take the MRT to Phra Ram 9. Take exit 3 at that station, you'll get out in front of Mercure hotel (or Grand Mercure? Something like that). Behind you is a big field in construction. When you face the Mercure hotel with the construction behind you, Amsterdam is that big European style building across the street to your left. As you approach you will see a big Amsterdam sign on the roof. You really can't miss it.

I get in Amsterdam at 4 PM. I thought I had read that it was fine, recommended even, to go to those places early. Well it's not. At 4 PM, there is about 20 girls. 15 are in the front row, they are the cheapest, which isn't saying much, because Amsterdam is crazy pricey. These front row girls are 3, 500 or so. Most of them look horrible – there is maybe 1 or 2 I would do for free, but not for 3, 500 or even for 2, 000. They are several levels below Nana girls.

In the back they have their 'models' girls. Only about 3 or 4 at that hour. Only one of them actually looks, somewhat, like a model. Tall, quite beautiful, but not quite magazine cover material. She is 5, 200 baths. I almost go for it, but the day is young, and I would like more choice. The mamasan promises me more 'models' soon but after 15 mins and nothing happening, I decide to head out and go check Nataree.

To get to Nataree, you take the MRT to Huai Kwhang. Nataree is across the Swiss Hotel Concorde, so don't take the exit 2 'Concorde'; take exit 3 'Emerald hotel' and walk straight for about 100 meters. There is a big Nataree sign; you can't miss it.

I get in Nataree at 5 PM. Again, I'm disappointed by what I see. There is maybe 10 girls in the fishbowl and 30 girls outside of it. None of them really stands out as a stunner. I actually ask if they have a different floor for 'model' types, or if this is it. Well, this it it. Ok then.

I sit down and get a beer, scanning the room. After a while, I decide to go for a cute little girl outside the fishbowl. She is cute, but maybe an 8. Not a girl you would do a you-turn for in the street, which is what I'm after. Her body will also prove to be skinnier than I like (and I do like skinny!). That's another problem with MP: you don't get to see the bodies before you make a choice, compared to the go-go bars. Also, I don't know if a gym membership is compulsory in Nana, but most of the girls there have really toned, athletic bodies – not so much here in Nataree.

Anyway, we have fun, and I leave around 6:30. A bit more girls are present when I leave, and I notice 2 stunners in the fishbowl. Oh well.

I head back to the Amsterdam area. I eat at some small street stalls I spotted earlier, and get a one hour foot massage. I need some time to recover and I'm enjoying the rest.

I'm back inside Amsterdam at 8:45 PM. Double the amount of girls now, around 40. Girls in the front row still look horrible. There are more mid-level girls (in the 4000 bath range) in the back, around 10 – there were none at 4 PM.

There are now around 10 'models' on the side. Of the 'models', I only find one really attractive – not the same as

Before, a new one. She is 5, 600, very tall, beautiful face. The other ones are nothing special and way, WAY overpriced at 5, 000+ baths. A 2, 000 Nana girl is cuter. Their top girl (6, 200 baths!) has fucked up teeth and way too much make-up on. I wouldn't do her for free. WTF?

I find more attractive girls in the 4000 range than at their top level. But in the end, remembering the stunners I saw in Nataree, I decide none of them is worth paying that much, and I head back to Nataree.

At Nataree, I'm actually disappointed when I take a longer, closer look at the 'stunners' I though I had seen earlier. They really aren't that stunning. I get a beer, look around some more, nothing really motivating. I get out to go back to Amsterdam (I know, I know. I'm in research and discovery mode.)

Outside of Nataree, I'm stopped by a tout. I know the rules, but this one is actually very nice and entertaining. He sells me on this Cupidity (or Cupidy?) MP. Unfortunately for him, I don't find any of the 30 girls on his flyer attractive. He then tries to sell me on G1, saying it's full of hot girls. I pass since I don't have time to waste on uncertain leads today. (Anyone knows about these places?)

Back to Amsterdam at 10:20. Massive change of scene in the last hour and a half. At this point there is only 7 or 8 girls left. All the girls are gone working. Lesson learned, the right time to go to Amsterdam seems to be around 7-8 PM.

I leave and go to Nana, where I know I can find something good. Somehow, when the Rainbow bars were 2 third empty yesterday (Tuesday) , they are now packed wall-to-wall with customers (Wednesday). WTF?

I find a cute 19 year old in Rainbow 3, and make my first costly mistake. The mamasan asks me to pay in advance, and I agree (I'm a bit drunk and tired at this point, I wouldn't do that otherwise). In the short time hotel, the girls turns out to be aloof and uncooperative. I'm also tired, and can't finish. After a while, we give up. At that point, I only want to pay her 1, 000 instead of 2, 000, since she didn't really do a good job. I give her 1000 and leave. Of course, I had already paid the mamasan, so I ended up tipping an extra 1000 to possibly the worst performer I've ever had. I only realize this the next day. *Facepalm*

I still want more fun so I immediately head to Rainbow 4.

I sit down there and get a beer. After a while I motion to a girl but she nods she doesn't want to come down for me. The same thing happens with the next girl. WTF? Both of them were the hottest in there IMO. I'm told a bit later, by another girl, that these two only do Japanese. Ok then. First time this happens to me in Rainbow.

After a few minutes a girl comes and sits on my lap enthusiastically. I usually go for looks not enthusiasm, and I've never gone for a girl who choose me before. I like to choose myself. But this one looks quite nice, she is fun and happy, and seems to like me a lot. I decide to go for it. Since it's around 1 AM now and I need to leave my room at 6 AM, I negotiate 3, 000 LT. She agrees easily.

In the room, this girl turns out to be the best P4P performer I've ever had. I'm a bit tired (I've had 5 girls in the last 24 hours) and after a while of nice sex, I start doubting that I can finish. I tell her that we should just give up. Most P4P girls would agree in a heartbeat, or even suggest it before you do, but not this one. She fucks my brains out and then sucks me until I eventually, to my own surprise, manage to come in her mouth. It took a long time to get there and I'm really amazed and grateful at how hard she worked at it. She is also really nice to have around before, during and after.

We fall asleep and wake up at 6 as I have a plane to take. I give her 3, 500, ie a 500 tip for the hard work and the excellent attitude. I would have given her a 1, 000 tip but we only had sex once and she only stayed a couple of hours, so I figure this is more than enough already.

Any respected poster here wants this girl's reference, PM me. No barebackers, sorry. Also, keep in mind that she choose me in the bar, and later told me she fancied me as soon as I come in. I can't guarantee she would be as nice to you. But I think this one is a real pro so I would bet on it. Treat her nice, guys.

Day 2 damage: 3 girls, lots of drinks, and about 15, 000 baths spent in less than 10 hours. Happy to go to Samui so I can chill for a while.

What I learned (or re-learned) :

-Don't get too drunk. It clouds your judgment, makes you take stupid decisions, and it gets expensive.

-Nurse your drinks. In Nana staff very aggressively pushes for you to buy drinks as soon as you don't have one. No matter how many you consumed before. They actually gesture as if they are going to kick you out (though they don't actually do it). Get a big beer and nurse that until you are ready to go (unless you really want to spend and get drunk of course: whatever floats your boat).

-Never pay in advance. I knew that already, and got screwed for forgetting this rule.

-If you think you see a stunner and plan to come back for her, make sure you REALLY take a hard look and actually like her, even if your balls are empty and you are just leaving for now. A passing glance might make for a wrong impression and a disappointing return trip.

Question for when I return: WHERE ARE THE HOTTIES? Nataree and Amsterdam, while having some OK girls, were a disappointment after the built-up expectations from reading the reports here. I will give Amsterdam another chance. But where else? Poseidon? Where is the real SMOKING HOT stuff these days? [/QUOTE]

I'm sorry this may all be a drag to everyone to read, but I need to bust these reports out so I feel that I have honord my commitment to ISG.

Final day in Bangkok, I meet up with a friend for lunch at paragon in siam. All I can say is WOW! The ladies who walk around there leave you walking around with a semi stiffy in your pants. Amazing. I think the next time in I'm Bangkok I'm going to try my hand at chatting up a normal girl and seeing how things go from there.

Anyway after lunch I went to one of the bars outside nana and had a couple of drinks. Still about 5 in the afternoon. I forgot what the name is the place was. But it was next to one called stumble inn. Which I personally feel is the greatest name for a bar anywhere! Any way, so I'm sitting on one of the stool at one of the high tables, just observing the scene. I love to watch things going on around me. Get approached by many ladies, but show my disinterest politely and they see it and smilingly head in other directions. I spot this one girl who really does it for me, she kind of reminds me of this girl I know back home, whom I'm kind of, but not having a scene with. Same look, figure, secretary glasses, attitude, the works. She comes over and asks for a drink. And like I said in my previous post, I always oblige. She is quite chatty and a real sweetheart. She calls over a friend, whom has a body to die for and is very playfully touchy. I made it clear from the onset that I'm only there for a couple of drinks and didn't want to take up their time unecessarily. But they sit with me for a good long time telling me about how things work and everything. And they're not knocking back their drinks so they can squeeze me either. The playful one touching me throughout, and the other I'm engages in conversation with, very good english. Anyway I was very tempted to take her, but 2 things were stopping me. Firstly I was planning on hitting bacarra and claiming my twins before anyone else stole them away from me, and secondly she looked just way too much like this girl I know back home, and that kind of made it a bit weird.

After a good 2 hours together they wished me good bye and good luck with everything and said they enjoyed my company. Whether its true or not I'm not sure, but I did enjoy theirs.

Get back to my hotel and freshen up. And because I hadn't hit nana plaza yet I decided that I should atleast pay it a visit. So from the site I mentioned in my previous report, I chose the best rated bars and there were 6 of them. I said I would go to each of them and have 2 beers, and spend 20 minutes, and unless somthing spectacular was to hit me, I would then make my way to baccara. Go I get there by 9, and the place is already buzzing.

I enter PlaySkool. For some reason I really liked this bar, and this of the smaller bars in nana plaza, it has the nicer of the women. Had my 2 beers and 20 min and didn't want to leave but I said I had to stick to the plan.

Then went looking for carousel. But for some reason I couldn't find it at all. So I went to g spot. Not it is supposidly the biggest bar in nana plaza. But I thought the whole place was crap. I do realise I went early. All the women on stage were far too overweight, and older. Not the regular go go dancer type of girls your used to, and they were not even doing the Bangkok shuffle. Just standing around naked. I did however see a girl I liked, I would rate her as slightly older, not old though, and she was pulling some very very sexy dance moves. And had a great smile. She is easily recognisable because of her tattoos along her back. Actually it looked like one huge tattoo. After my 2 beers and 20 minutes I left that place and headed to voodoo. Sat there for 1 beer and 15 min. Nothing special, stuck my head behing the curtains for a few other places. Then headed to angel which. 20 min 2 beers, I liked the place, but nothing great.

Then I headed to Rainbow 4. It to me though not as nice is what I would compare as the baccara of NANA plaza. There were so many girls, and there were so many that were hot. On one stage there were a few dancing topless, and on the bigger stage there were alot just shuffling around.

The non topless stage had women whom where far better looking than the topless stage. And while I sat there for a good 45 minutes, I got to see about 3 rotations, in 2 of the rotations I saw 3 women whom made my heart weak. I seriously could have proposed to them there.

When I say they were women, I mean they were not girls, they may be the same age as the girls, but they looked beautiful, like women. I don't know if I'm explaining it correctly. Or if you get what I mean.

They were women.

Anyway this threw me of balance, but made me change my mind in going to soi cowboy for the twins. I was staying here with them. Then after the first show the 2 girls got off the stage, and went straight to get dressed and left with a customer sitting not to far away from me. I guess we both have the same taste in women. Any way 2 out of 3 gone. As the 3rd girl in the other rotation was dancing I decided she would be an amazing experience, but was my least favorite of the 3 and would not compare to the experience of the Japanese twins. Even if the twins were to be bad service stab me and steal all my money and run away, it would have still been worth it. So I decided to head to rainbow 2.

Went down to the ground floor and into rainbow 2, was disappointed. Nothing much to see so 2 beers and 20 minutes and I was out.

Feeling great I hopped into an honest taxi and went to soi cowboy. At soi cowboi again I decided to go to a few bars, briefly and then head to baccara for the majority of the night. I think it was around 11 or 11:30 at this time.

I managed to get a good seat at baccara, and looked for my twins. Only one was to be found. So I called her over and had a quick drink with her and asked her where her sister was. She had not come into work that day. FUCK! I think the gods are against me!

Anyway had a pleasent chat with her and then she went on her way. I was then just interested in watching the show. The guy sitting next to me was malaysian and really enjoying himself and we got to chatting, and he was with 3 women at one point. 2 women I would not look at twice. And one of them. I think was the best looking in the place. And whom I decided since the first day I went to bacara got drunk and went home with no one I would take at some point. But I guess he hot there before me. She was really stunning, and the right sort of look and attitude. To me an 11 out of 10 and I personally feel that I am picky when I rate women.

Anyway I told him he had stolen the girl I wanted, and he promptly offered her to me. To which I declined.

Then the girl I was with the previous night whom was a 6 and bad service came over to me again, and had a drink. I was polite and nice and friendly, but made sure she would get the idea that I was not repeat business for her. Then after 2 drinks she kissed me and left. I was still talking to the guy next to me. Vary nice guy, we exchanged numbers and all. Then he sent 2 of the girls he was with to change, including the one I was crazy about and when they came back he asked me if I wanted to join him for some pool and going to a regular club. That was not my scene. So I graciously declined. He then got the 11/10 bombshell to get a friend for me. She did, and brought me a lady whom I would rate as the next best thing to her in the club. Mind you these were girls who were not dancers, just ones working the room in elegant clothing. Well this replacement I would rate as face wise as a 9 out of 10, and body as an 8. Again she had the womanly looks and figure that I like. I love skinny girls, but then when they have a beautiful face I feel that their body should be proportionate. Which hers was. Not chubby in anyway, but just the right amount everywhere.

I decided then that she is the one I wanted to take. So we sat had a couple of drink and fooled around. Then I bid farewell to my malaysian friend. And had a couple more drinks.

Finally at about 2 we left, after she went to change and bar fine ofcourse.

We pleasantly walked back to the hotel. Passed the reception who wished us goodnight is a completely non judgmental way, and into the room. I sat her down while I did 2 minutes of work regarding my flight and everything. Then we went and showered together. She was very close to me and everything. Then we got out of the bathroom, and she asked me how much I was going to pay her. Now normally I don't like this at this point, but since we had never discussed this it was well in her right to do so, and she did it very classily, not pussy, and asked me for 4000, I said that was too much, and 1500 was good with 1000 for a good service. She was very happy with that, and I have a feeling she could normally command at least 2000 on a regular basis. Mind you this is for st. We got into the groove, she was very very affectionate, deep kissing, and holding tight, and I went down for a munch, she had a very sweet tasting pussy, and very neatly kept, I think I was going crazy, then I came up and she went down for a BBBJ, very sensual and very slow and very nice, with alot of touching and all. Then on with the condom and straight into cowgirl. What a view. What a view, she was really beautiful she would lean forward every so often to hold me and kiss me. True girlfriend experience, the very definition of it. Then mish, she seemed to be enjoying this throughly what a beautiful smile on her face, and these lovely soft moans, but then again you never know. We stayed like this for a while with her scratching my back a little, and then it was too much for me to handle and I came. And collapsed next to her.

Then we spooned for a little while. Actually a long while, and as I was getting hard again she could feel me stabbing her back so she turned around and kissed me deeply some more, rubbing her pussy against my cock. This was literaly driving me wild, and then I went down on her for another meal, which she seemed to be loving, and before I knew it I was licking her ass, this really did it for her I think because her moaning grew louder and then she turned around, basically laying flat on her stomach. While licking her ass my finger began to explore, very slowly and gently putting pressure on her cute little ass, and when I slowly put the tip of my finger in her ass, she moved her butt up a bit to take in just a little more, all the while I was keeping my finger lubricated and back to licking her pussy. From doing this I could feel myself build up more and more. After about 5 minutes of this she had taken in almost my full finger, and I was almost going to cum. I don't know why, but the whole situation was turning me on crazily. Then I have a feeling she came, because after the moans stopped there was the shortness of breath and spasm happening. Lovely. She jumped up and grabbed me and basically ate my face. Any way after another time of kissing she put a condom on me and got into doggy for some loving penetration. What a feeling this was, she was reaching underneath and massaging my balls as we were doing this, then she pushed me over onto my back and climbed aboard, this was amazing because I am very visual, and loved the look of her. Finally after some time of this I came like a fire hose. She lay on top of me with me still inside her, for a little while, then as I got soft, pulled me out, and I took the condom off and tossed it into the bin, we both jumped into the quick shower. It had been about 3 hours by now, and I guess short time was over, so I though she was going to leave. Then after the shower and dried off, she jumped back into the bed, and made me snuggle up close to her, and fell asleep, as did I. Now normally I can never sleep with anyone, even at times when I have a girlfriend, but I slept like a baby. Then a couple hours later at about 9 my alarm went off. I had a flight to catch soon, she woke up with my alarm, and cuddled even tighter, and with a hand reached down and started stroking my cock, to get him up. Then when I got up and realised what time it was I frantically jumped out of bed. She seemed sad. I said I couldn't play as I had to rush. I jumped into the shower and shaved, and everything, got changed and packed and got ready to go. I guess she fell asleep while I was showering. When I was ready I went back into the bed and gently woke her up. She got dressed, and I called for a taxi to come down and take her home. When the receptionist asked me where I wanted the taxi to go I said I had no idea it was for a friend she giggled very sweetly, and said she'd have the taxi ready.

Now comes to money. I was blown away by that night instead of st she was with me a good 8 hours I gave her the 2500 as promised plus all the other bhat I had on me except for my taxi fare of 500 to the airport plus a little bit. So in total I ended up giving her 4500. Which I think she wholheartidly deserved. Plus I had an expensive bottle of vodka lying in the fridge which I gave her aswell seeing as I couldn't take it on the flight with my anyway.

I sorry if I fuck up the rates. But on this occasion I don't care.

She jumped on me and kissed me gratefully and we walked down together and into our separate taxis and back off to our separate lives.

What an experience.

Thank god I don't live in BKK.

In conclusion, there are some experiences to be had in Bangkok which can't be had anywhere else in the world.

My personal advice is, stick to baccara, and be proactive, don't let the fish come to you. Go early and always be nice.

Hopefully a visit to Pattaya will also be on the cards next time.

Till my next trip.

Stay safe and play safe.

Kkreeac.

I'm sorry this report was so damn long!

Chill Out,

Your are so right. The amount I live and spend with in london, I'm sure I can come to BKK and live more like a god than a king! It some times makes me cry! Haha.

But I know its not good for me!

But damn its fun!

[QUOTE=Chill Out; 1133699]"And I want them both or nothing you can't break up a set, its just not right"

Ahahah. Isn't it funny how greedy BKK can make one become?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Margaya;1133729]Another excellent report. Thanks again.[/QUOTE]

You quoted 6 pages of text to add one line. You can snip a bit if you like. :)

Slim

[QUOTE=Kkreeac; 1133747]ISo in total I ended up giving her 4500.

I sorry if I fuck up the rates. But on this occasion I don't care.

Thank god I don't live in BKK.[/QUOTE]W / you overpaying by a factor of 2 1/2 or so, us locals are thankful you don't live here also.

It seems that that Midnite / Sahara / Kiss / etc group has raised their alcohol prices. A Singha is now 180 Baht. $6 is US prices. Ouch! Plus the talent and show at Midnite last nite was marginal. Midnite wasn't that crowded; I hope that people don't come so the bars will lower their prices.

I am not whining. I'm bitching.

What $30 buys you in Soi Cowboy: 5 beers.

What $30 buys you in Phnom Penh: 5 beers (5x$2) plus a girl ($20).

I'm starting to be priced out of the Thailand market.

Yes I know that it's no big deal if you come here for a brief time (it's still a lot cheaper than the US) , but if you travel a lot or live here, it gets expensive.

Yes I know that I can buy a beer at 7-11 and drink it on the street and get a streetwalker between 500 to 1000 Baht, but I don't want to do that. It sucks not to be rich!

[QUOTE=GreenBud; 1134015]I'm starting to be priced out of the Thailand market.

Yes I know that it's no big deal if you come here for a brief time (it's still a lot cheaper than the US) , but if you travel a lot or live here, it gets expensive.

Yes I know that I can buy a beer at 7-11 and drink it on the street and get a streetwalker between 500 to 1000 Baht, but I don't want to do that. It sucks not to be rich! [/QUOTE]

Bangkok definitely isn't headed in a good direction. Might not be long until it's Singapore.

Best to start thinking about other places that might be better.

When I visited Indonesia I was really surprised by how genuinely friendly and interested the women were, without having a hidden agenda ("buy me a condo/motorbike/car/buffalo/iphone/etc"), and I remember thinking this is what Thailand must have been like before it got overcrowded with the wrong kind of tourists.

[QUOTE=GreenBud; 1134015]It seems that that Midnite / Sahara / Kiss / etc group has raised their alcohol prices. A Singha is now 180 Baht. $6 is US prices. Ouch! Plus the talent and show at Midnite last nite was marginal. Midnite wasn't that crowded; I hope that people don't come so the bars will lower their prices.

I am not whining. I'm bitching.

What $30 buys you in Soi Cowboy: 5 beers.

What $30 buys you in Phnom Penh: 5 beers (5x$2) plus a girl ($20).

I'm starting to be priced out of the Thailand market.

Yes I know that it's no big deal if you come here for a brief time (it's still a lot cheaper than the US) , but if you travel a lot or live here, it gets expensive.

Yes I know that I can buy a beer at 7-11 and drink it on the street and get a streetwalker between 500 to 1000 Baht, but I don't want to do that. It sucks not to be rich! [/QUOTE]Agreed! Beers are expensive and other drinks as well. And they are WEAK WEAK WEAK. We shall how the bars do during low season this year.

[QUOTE=Evianist; 1133651]These girls are going to be hot according to Thai aesthetics, not western.

I recently went with a thai girl to what was supposedly a beauty contest and sat there in horror at what thais consider beautiful. All the actresses on tv and models that thais fawn over are also major yawns. It's just far, far away from my own opinion. The problem starts first and foremost with how they do their makeup, and then continues to most everything else.

Americans, Europeans and Latinas tend to agree on beauty more often than not. It's only Africans and Asians who seem to be off on their own tangents.

It's a shame really, because I can envision many thai girls I see being really gorgeous if they only knew how to do it correctly (for me).[/QUOTE]If true it makes me wonder how they view looks in farang men and women. With the same Asian viewpoint? One thing I know for a certainty, P4P TGs love the white skin. But without pics to explain your viewpoint, it is going to be.

Next to impossible for anyone to grasp your view. Additionally I've seen quite a number of hot TGs on TV in BKK in the news, soaps, etc, in music CDs, and on a Thai Maxim contest DVD.

I've been mongering in Thailand and on this forum for years but I hardly ever write anything. As I just had (like 30minutes ago) an AMAZING experience I decided I'd share it with you guys. I felt the need to tell somebody.

Soi Cowboy. Suzie Wongs.

Lesbian Show girl named Gata (pronounced "Ga. Thai")

She was one of the only girls with fake tits but definitely one of the best 3 at the bar. I bar fined her and took her upstairs.

2000Bht For Girl.

600bht barfine.

400bht for hotel as my hotel is upscale and I didn't want to deal with the looks I might get.

She was sooo soft spoken and seemed like a REAL thai girl. She would make an amazing GFE for somebody I'm sure. Another girl in the bar told me she had been working at Suzie Wong's for a long time.

I just finished washing my mouth out like crazy because I'm worried that I licked her pussy. I NEVER lick a working girls pussy. EVER. Out of a LOT of girls. But I was drunk and figured that since the other girls in the lesbian show did it. They should probably know whether or not it's good.

And it sure was, good lord. Amazing body, beautiful face. Restored my faith in Thai women after being harassed by tonnes of 5's and 6's in Phuket.

I wouldn't be giving this report if I was still working in BKK, but as I'm just traveling through I thought I might stop leeching from this forum and give something back. I'm probably up around 40-70 Thai women banged and she's in the top 3 for sure.

Other Notes:

I'm in my 29 and I'm good looking, jacked on roids and probably threw around too much money. I don't think that would change anything though, but I'm not sure. Thought I'd mention it in case it factors in somehow.

Good luck guys! Send me a message if you take her and thank me.

Hi guys. Quick question if I may. Does anyone know an independant escort called Apple?

Her site has only positive reviews. Guess I want balanced veiws on her. Thanks in advance.

[QUOTE=Evianist; 1134022]Bangkok definitely isn't headed in a good direction. Might not be long until it's Singapore.

Best to start thinking about other places that might be better.

When I visited Indonesia I was really surprised by how genuinely friendly and interested the women were, without having a hidden agenda ("buy me a condo / motorbike / car / buffalo / iphone / etc") , and I remember thinking this is what Thailand must have been like before it got overcrowded with the wrong kind of tourists. [/QUOTE]I tend to agree. I used to split my time between BKK / Pattaya but thinking of less time in these places and adding Cambodia or the Philippines for a change and new adventure.

[QUOTE=PinkPearl; 1134066]If true it makes me wonder how they view looks in farang men and women. With the same Asian viewpoint? One thing I know for a certainty, P4P TGs love the white skin. But without pics to explain your viewpoint, it is going to be.

Next to impossible for anyone to grasp your view. Additionally I've seen quite a number of hot TGs on TV in BKK in the news, soaps, etc, in music CDs, and on a Thai Maxim contest DVD. [/QUOTE]

Here's a couple examples. I wouldn't pay to have sex with either of these girls. I wouldn't even bother looking at them if I passed them on the street. But Thai people apparently think they're models.

[QUOTE=Evianist;1134227]Here's a couple examples. I wouldn't pay to have sex with either of these girls. I wouldn't even bother looking at them if I passed them on the street. But Thai people apparently think they're models.[/QUOTE]In all fairness, I think these girls would say the exact same thing about you. They would not look at you in a million years, they'd have sex with you because you pay them but they don't even want to do it, they have to.

The difference being that Evianist isn't on the cover of GQ (to the best of my knowledge).

[QUOTE=Evianist; 1134227]Here's a couple examples. I wouldn't pay to have sex with either of these girls. I wouldn't even bother looking at them if I passed them on the street. But Thai people apparently think they're models. [/QUOTE.

Evianist,

Everything is subjective, we can go on and on with our opinions and ratings as to what is what? And you are entitled to your opinion but you are telling me that if and when you are in Thailand and based on what one is seeing everyday and everywhere if you saw these two that was pointed out that they wouldn't stand out?

If that is the case, you need to get your eyes checked. IMHO. I would agree I wouldn't pay to have sex with either of these girls only because I couldn't afford it or ever qualify to me on GQ or any other magazine.

LBM

[QUOTE=Evianist;1134227]Here's a couple examples. I wouldn't pay to have sex with either of these girls. I wouldn't even bother looking at them if I passed them on the street. But Thai people apparently think they're models.[/QUOTE]Most, if not all, Thai women would say both of these ladies are "suai mak mak." They would happily change their noses, breasts and skin color to be just like them.

If you don't understand and believe this then you've not been paying attention while living here in Thailand. That is why it does not make sense to you.

[QUOTE=Fon Tok; 1134270]Most, if not all, Thai women would say both of these ladies are "suai mak mak." They would happily change their noses, breasts and skin color to be just like them.

If you don't understand and believe this then you've not been paying attention while living here in Thailand. That is why it does not make sense to you. [/QUOTE]I think you misunderstood. Yes I know Thai people think those girls are beautiful.

I, however, have no interest in them.

The aesthetic preference for thai people, which is on display in both photos I posted, seems to be to have bleached white, sickly looking skin, a tall sturdy body, and androgynous features that are a mixture of japanese and farang looks.

In actuality thais have tan skin, exotic eyes and features and beautiful petite bodies (especially their legs). It's these features they should embrace and accentuate, rather than trying so hard to be things they're not (pale foreigners).

Attached is more of the look I wish they would go for (although the girl isn't thai, I'm aware). It's kind of annoying when you move halfway around the world and are eager to meet exotic women, only to find a large percentage of them trying their hardest not to look exotic.

[QUOTE=Evianist;1134278]Attached is more of the look I wish they would go for (although the girl isn't thai, I'm aware). It's kind of annoying when you move halfway around the world and are eager to meet exotic women, only to find a large percentage of them trying their hardest not to look exotic.[/QUOTE]They certainly ought to be more considerate of your tastes.

[QUOTE=Pita123;1134289]They certainly ought to be more considerate of your tastes.[/QUOTE]Yeah I wish they would be.

Good places always get spoilt by those who throw money around.

Politics is corrupt due to it worldwide.

Good mongering places get ruined by it worldwide.

I remember having a whale of a time in Wanchai in the late 80's, it was reasonable prices and great fun. Soon got messed up early into the 90's.

[QUOTE=Evianist; 1134022]Bangkok definitely isn't headed in a good direction. Might not be long until it's Singapore.

Best to start thinking about other places that might be better.

When I visited Indonesia I was really surprised by how genuinely friendly and interested the women were, without having a hidden agenda ("buy me a condo / motorbike / car / buffalo / iphone / etc") , and I remember thinking this is what Thailand must have been like before it got overcrowded with the wrong kind of tourists. [/QUOTE]

"Attached is more of the look I wish they would go for (although the girl isn't thai, I'm aware). It's kind of annoying when you move halfway around the world and are eager to meet exotic women, only to find a large percentage of them trying their hardest not to look exotic." {EVIANIST}

I'd have to concur that this last pic is preferable to the other two as far as the face is concerned. Of course the third one only gave us the face. The first two would not be my type as they are too fat, at least in the legs, so I'd likely pass them by if I saw them going for 1000 Baht in the Nana parking lot area, or even for free. They aren't in the same leaque, according to my taste, as many HKG ladies at sex 141 dot com or even some TGs in afterdark dot com.

But to each their own. If we all wanted the same type of girls, LOS might not be the paradise it is. So, with that in mind, it's always good to see what is presented as "hot","perfect 10" and "stunner" in the photo section! I seldom have the nerve to even look there anymore, especially if I'm eating lunch;

Evanist,

In all due respect I think your perpective is all wrong although both sets of picture you provided of girls are all beyond the scope of 10'S IMHO.

Without you knowing them just because their skin color is darker doesn't mean either set is less / more of a Thai than the other. When I was growing up I though every girl in Hawaii should look like the pictures or movies in post cards etc. Very exotic but when I went to Hawaii on my first trip to stay with my cousins they all had white skin and didn't or rarely went to the beach because they didn't want to get dark but if you told them they weren't Hawaiian?

You just have a preference for darker skin for me I'm consistent. I like both sets and can't afford either and neither would give me a second look!

LBM

[QUOTE=Hatguy; 1134163]Hi guys. Quick question if I may. Does anyone know an independant escort called Apple?

Her site has only positive reviews. Guess I want balanced veiws on her. Thanks in advance. [/QUOTE]Are you talking about this girl? I don't see any reviews, so you may be referring to another "apple". Bangkok is a big city and there may be quite a few escorts with that name, so it might help you if you indicate what the site is. W w w dot apple, for example.

[url]http://bangkok-escorts.com/girls/apple_01.html[/url]

[QUOTE=Evianist;1134278]I think you misunderstood. Yes I know Thai people think those girls are beautiful. -- I, however, have no interest in them. -- The aesthetic preference for thai people, which is on display in both photos I posted, seems to be to have bleached white, sickly looking skin, a tall sturdy body, and androgynous features that are a mixture of japanese and farang looks. -- In actuality thais have tan skin, exotic eyes and features and beautiful petite bodies (especially their legs). It's these features they should embrace and accentuate, rather than trying so hard to be things they're not (pale foreigners). -- Attached is more of the look I wish they would go for (although the girl isn't thai, I'm aware). It's kind of annoying when you move halfway around the world and are eager to meet exotic women, only to find a large percentage of them trying their hardest not to look exotic.[/QUOTE]Evianist: So, you would like your ideal Thai woman to look like an exotic woman from another country? Isn't this the same as Thai people wanting their women to look like Koreans & Japanese (ie, fixed noses, white skin & big boobs)?

The part that is missing in this discussion is that Thailand is controlled by people of Chinese heritage primarily centered in Bangkok. This group controls the money, the military, the media; while some members control the supply of illicit goods, (eg, women, fake goods, yaba, etc.), delivered to the Thai market (and beyond).

The "farang" market is provided with the leftovers. In the case of the skin trade, this means dark Isaan women, who do not look particularly beautiful to most. Fortunately, they can be very sweet women with voracious sexual appetites!

Personally, it's the fake noses that bother me the most. Two of my sweet, young favorites, one at Tulip and one at Suzie Wong, recently had their noses and chins fixed. It's just not the same for me anymore.

However, for some strange reason, I am more than happy to handle a nice set of enhanced "nom yai."

[QUOTE=Hatguy; 1134163]Hi guys. Quick question if I may. Does anyone know an independant escort called Apple?

Her site has only positive reviews. Guess I want balanced veiws on her. Thanks in advance. [/QUOTE]I was with an "Apple" in Thailand recently, can you send me the link and I'll verify if they are the same.

[QUOTE=Fon Tok;1134331]Evianist: So, you would like your ideal Thai woman to look like an exotic woman from another country? Isn't this the same as Thai people wanting their women to look like Koreans & Japanese (ie, fixed noses, white skin & big boobs)?[/quote]

No, it's different. I want Thai women to look like Thai women (which is exotic to me) , not like Japanese-farangs.

Imagine many farang girls decided they were going to get eyelid surgery to give them more Asian eyes, get their tits removed, pile on brown colored makeup and basically try to look like Thai women. Do you think the outcome would be attractive? That's basically the equivalent to what many Thai women do.

[quote]Personally, it's the fake noses that bother me the most. Two of my sweet, young favorites, one at Tulip and one at Suzie Wong, recently had their noses and chins fixed. It's just not the same for me anymore.

However, for some strange reason, I am more than happy to handle a nice set of enhanced "nom yai."[/QUOTE]Not into fake noses, chins or tits.

[QUOTE=Evianist; 1134278]I think you misunderstood. Yes I know Thai people think those girls are beautiful.

I, however, have no interest in them.

Attached is more of the look I wish they would go for (although the girl isn't thai, I'm aware). It's kind of annoying when you move halfway around the world and are eager to meet exotic women, only to find a large percentage of them trying their hardest not to look exotic. [/QUOTE]Evianist, I completely understand and agree with your tastes.

I end up wondering how much of it is about "opposites attract".

I myself would (and have) burn to a crisp long before I got any kind of tan. But it's not just about the tan is it? It's those distinctly Asian features as well. Not some hybrid watered down version. That will NOT feed my Yellow Fever.

And you did not even mention the ridiculous things they do to their naturally amazing hair!

[QUOTE=Evianist;1134227]Here's a couple examples. I wouldn't pay to have sex with either of these girls. I wouldn't even bother looking at them if I passed them on the street. But Thai people apparently think they're models.[/QUOTE]To each his own taste. But I would bet that many guys on this forum would not let such girl pass withotut trying their luck.

[QUOTE=Fon Tok;1134331]Evianist: So, you would like your ideal Thai woman to look like an exotic woman from another country? Isn't this the same as Thai people wanting their women to look like Koreans & Japanese (ie, fixed noses, white skin & big boobs)?[/QUOTE]*kaching*

[QUOTE=Fon Tok; 1134331]Personally, it's the fake noses that bother me the most. Two of my sweet, young favorites, one at Tulip and one at Suzie Wong, recently had their noses and chins fixed. It's just not the same for me anymore.

However, for some strange reason, I am more than happy to handle a nice set of enhanced "nom yai."[/QUOTE]Yeah, I typically don't see girls again once they've had their boobs done. Noses and chins also bother me. I think my ex had her nose done. Much less attractive now IMO

[QUOTE=Pita123;1134489]Yeah, I typically don't see girls again once they've had their boobs done. Noses and chins also bother me. I think my ex had her nose done. Much less attractive now IMO[/QUOTE]I dumped a girl after she changed her hair to black from red.

Day 1.

Got in Bangkok late, went straight to an Asian KTV, got very drunk pass out.

Day2.

Wake up naked at my friend's guest room's bath tub. Don't know what happen and don't want to find out. Got dress and tell my friend I already made plan to go Pattaya. He offer to have his driver take me there but I tell him no. Because I'm not really going down to Pattaya. I'm just saying that so I won't spend my rest of time in Bangkok crazy drunk in KTV club. Anyway he still asks his driver to drop me off at the bus station and I took the BTS to nana station. Check into dynasty Grande about 1pm. This is my first staying there must say it very nice hotel for under 2000BT a night. Went down to their gym and swimming pool for few hours, try to get a oil massage at the hotel massage shop down stair, but they said oil massage are offer after 7:30pm. Had no idea why? Got back in the room about 4pm. Call room service asks for some ice and a very pretty girl brought it to me. But for some reason they charge 33BT for ice. This is the first time I've been charge for ice in a hotel. I was going to tip her 50, now I change my mind and gave her 20. Anyway got my vodka and redbull out, made myself a super size cup. Getting ready for a big night at NaNa plaza. At some point I fell asleep. Woke up at 11pm. SH*T! This is not part of my plan. I jump out of the bed got dress, went to NaNa my original plan was going to every bar there and have one or two beer. Since its already late. I skip the plan went straight to rainbow4. Sat down order a beer. About 15 girls on each stage. Some girls are topless some are not. 10 min later a girl onstage wants to know if she and the girl dance next to her can come seat with me. Of course my answer is yes. They came down sat next to me one on each side. Offer them both each a lady drink. Both of their name start with P. So I call them big P and little p. We gogo bar chat about 5 min, P suggest move the Party to my room because the drink at rainbow4 are expensive. Since I'm already behind the schedule so I told them yes and bar fine them both. Paid the bill wait for ladies change cloth, off we go. Back to the hotel room. Walking out from nana sandwich in by two hogties I'm pimping like a rap star.

[QUOTE=Jackal; 1134560]Day 1.

Got in Bangkok late, went straight to an Asian KTV, got very drunk pass out.

Day2.

Wake up naked at my friend's guest room's bath tub. Don't know what happen and don't want to find out.[/QUOTE]Great report! And as long as you did not wake up on Day2 with a sore asshole (or anything else). The night probably went very well for you! Keep up the good work!

Thanks

[QUOTE=Jackal; 1134560]Day 1.

Got in Bangkok late, went straight to an Asian KTV, got very drunk pass out.

Day2.

Wake up naked at my friend's guest room's bath tub. Don't know what happen and don't want to find out.[/QUOTE]Great report! And as long as you did not wake up on Day2 with a sore asshole (or anything else). The night probably went very well for you! Keep up the good work! Thanks for the report!

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1134599]All you need to be aware of is that it's a MAN with long hair and makeup.[/QUOTE]HAH! That's hilarious!

[QUOTE=Fon Tok;1134331]. . . this means dark Isaan women . . . . "[/QUOTE]To me. The darker tan / brown asian women (Thai, Laos, Khmer, Burmese, or Filipino) in general are amazing, and beautiful. IMOHP. Just a personal preference.

[quote=mr enternational;1134599]all you need to be aware of is that it's a man with long hair and makeup.[/quote]fantastic! almost peed myself

I followed all of the directions posted here in getting to my hotel. Due to BS delays I was late getting in though. Taxi was super fast. Ended up only paying 475 to my hotel. Windsor Suites. This place kinda gets a bum rap. Yes you have to pay 1000 if someone stays over but if you are like me and want to get a good nights sleep after a long flight its fine.

So I called these people on a whim; [url]http://www.dhm33.com/show_gallery.php?id=269&tb=ladies[/url]

They had no one that could come round at 7 am so they outsourced it to the girl I'm just about to report on.

Her name was KY (yeh Haha) and the place she is from is called DAW massage. She was fat butted. And was dissappointed to start with. But this girl was WAY into fucking the living daylights out of me. It was hardcore. Like 6 times in 2 hours. Needless to say I'm buggered!

Then I went off to Finnegans bar and had lunch there. Food was damn good. Back tomorrow. They had a St PATS event today. Kinda good fun. I ended up with a staff shirt of theirs!

When was paying my bill I asked the top lady about a goood massage place and she pointed me in the direction of a few. So I went looking. One girl caught my eye. Not because she was HAWT but because she was a COUGAR from hell! She offered me a special massage but I said I'd prefer not to as I was buggered. Then she put my head in between her tits and the old feelings kicked in. Anyway, long story short, she came back to my hotel and did me a lot. Because she turned me on so much I asked her to meet me for beers later. I paid 1000 then and she said it was fine. She came for beers and we ended back at the hotel and she did me twice and let me do her arse as well. Really good for 1000. I promised another 500 but have not delivered on it.

And thats just day one! Hatguy

Pepper and I got out of the room a little before 8 pm. It's been wicked cold in BKK (low 60s). We'd gotten a bite for lunch and some provisions at Foodland around noon but generally we had spent the day surfing, exercising, eating, sleeping and watching TV.

We ran into Smiles up at the corner eating Thai food. We watched and tried to engage as 8 or 10 gals made their way to the Plaza for their night's work. A few of them were hot.

I got a phone number at the Wall from a fresh face. Bangkok girl. She said she was living up on Ladprao w / her mom and a couple of younger brothers. Great long legs, really cute, wearing those fake big eyes. Maybe a Thermae girl I thought willing to actually bang the white man. Maybe, I'll find out in a day or so. She started at 1, 500 but agreed to 1, 000. I filed that info.

Smiles and I walked through 3 go gos. 2 Rainbows and a Mercury. Really quiet in the Plaza customer wise. Hopefully, finally, high season is winding down. It was a big one. And maybe all of the yippun who would normally be in town have stopped spending money on hoes and returned to the motherland to clear the rubble and radioactive debris. Fair amount of girls on stage and milling about in those bars, a couple of them doable.

We hit the street and I headed back down the soi home. I had telecommunicated w / CRP (Chiang Rai Princess) earlier in the day and she was scheduled for her usual 11 pm arrival. St. Paddy's Day or not, the street, for the first time since October maybe, was quiet. Low season is going to be good.

Made it home w / time to spare to shower, shave, do 10 push ups and make a cup of hot tea. CRP called from the taxi as I have asked / trained her to do which gives me time wet down my cowlick and take my pill.

She knocked and came in. She's so hot. 41 kilos with white skin, the ass of a 12 year old boy, super long straight black hair and legs until Tuesday. She was freezing and I handed her the hot tea which she sipped as she sat down. Soon we switched to Heineken. I like to watch her drink as she uses 2 hands, yippun hostess style.

Meeting CRP last August was one of the best days of my life. She's a 7, maybe a 7 1/2, and there are no 10s.

We commenced our 32nd session together. I like what I like and she knows and does what I like. She (again) put on the cosplay / uniform I keep in the room w / out a blink. I finished strong, really strong. The whole thing was 45 minutes from beginning to end. But what a 45 minutes. You know, the kind you live for.

I evidently have been reading too much ISG Bangkok because I gave her a 500 baht tip. Never see her on the street anymore, thoughts of exiting "the business" may have entered her mind and while she will disappear some day I want to keep her coming back as long as possible. Said I'd call her Sunday or Monday and we touched cheeks French style.

Day 2204 now. Unlike other numbers I've gotten, that one for the Latprao girl I met actually works. When she got my call at the Wall, she asked me how to spell my name. So I'm in there. Well, maybe anyway.

I haven't been to Bangers since the Japan earthquake struck. Does anybody have any info on how our Japanese monger brothers are reacting to this? I understand they are the first to cancel if there is a problem, but maybe they want to get out of Japan until the crisis is over. Most of my Bangkok girlfriends are Japanese style and they fill their FB with "Pray for Japan" type messages, not clear to me what the impact is on the business. Are there a lot of Japanese on the ground now?

Anyone had a chance to scope out Thaniya recently? I'm curious if and how the Japan crisis has affected the businesses there.

"In recent history, whenever Japan has faced a crisis, or any other nation wide problem. They don't pack their bags and leave the country. They have too much pride for that. They repriate.

"Not only themselves, but their money as well. That's why the Yen is rising sharply right now, they're selling their overseas investments because they need the money at home to rebuild.

On the way back to hotel room we stop at 7/11 for some Thai whisky ice and condoms.

When we go back to the hotel, the girls went to the front desk to sign the guess book and gave the front desk clerk their I'd. Now we have a problem now. I guess girl friendly hotel no mean they are 'girls' friendly.

They want 500baht per girl if you going to bring more then one girl. How about I don't bring any girl back tomorrow, can you just forget about charging me the extra 500 tonight I ask? Of course the clerk she says no.

Not want to waste anymore time, I tell her charge it to my room account, me and the girls now continue to go up to my room.

Ok happy time now officially start now!

P went to bathroom first and p is making drinks ready for all of us. About 5min later P came out with just a towel around her.

She came sit on my lap and we start drinking and joking, I put my hand inside her towel moving my hand all up and down making sure I'm getting my money worth it. Hehehe.

Now p ask to go to the bathroom. After p is gone, P pulls my shorts off and went down on me right on the couch. I let her do all the work. I just lay back and drink my whisky. While getting a great BBBJ from P. After about a good 5or6min I pull P put to the couch start banging her doggy style. We change a few other pose and I came not too long after. Yes of course I have a condom on.

P got up gave me a kiss and went to the bathroom. Now p is looking at me by the bed with a silly smile on her face and I told her I going to join P in the shower I want her to come join us too. And she agreed!

[QUOTE=Dad Fun 555;1135064]I haven't been to Bangers since the Japan earthquake struck. Does anybody have any info on how our Japanese monger brothers are reacting to this? I understand they are the first to cancel if there is a problem, but maybe they want to get out of Japan until the crisis is over. Most of my Bangkok girlfriends are Japanese style and they fill their FB with "Pray for Japan" type messages, not clear to me what the impact is on the business. Are there a lot of Japanese on the ground now?[/QUOTE]Unfortunately, seeing how bad the situation is getting, even in Tokyo. We're likely to see more of the Short-dicks than we really want. But who cares.

[QUOTE=Dad Fun 555;1135064]I haven't been to Bangers since the Japan earthquake struck. Does anybody have any info on how our Japanese monger brothers are reacting to this? I understand they are the first to cancel if there is a problem, but maybe they want to get out of Japan until the crisis is over. Most of my Bangkok girlfriends are Japanese style and they fill their FB with "Pray for Japan" type messages, not clear to me what the impact is on the business. Are there a lot of Japanese on the ground now?[/QUOTE]There should definitely be some decrease in tourists over the next few months. It is unlikely though that those who booked their trips (and most of them come from Tokyo, Osaka and other large centers which were relatively unaffected by the quake and cunami) would cancel them. So I doubt there will be an immediate result. I gues it will take a month or two for thigs to get visible on the surface in relation to Japanese presence in BKK. Anyway it should be safe to say that there [i]definitely[/i] Will be some decrease of tourism from Japan in the short term (I. E. 3-6 months or so).

Ok, I found some news source

[quote]TJTA said the association had expected 1.4 million Japanese tourists to enter the country this year but now indicate the number of arrivals will be reduced to 1.2 million due to the Japan crisis.

Nearly one million Japanese --980,000-- visited Thailand last year, the second biggest group following Chinese travellers. (MCOT online news)[/quote]
Source: [url]http://www.mcot.net/cfcustom/cache_page/182509.html[/url]

So all in all they still seem to predict [i]higher[/i] number of Jap tourists than last year. Let's all hope this won't happen. :)

[QUOTE=PinkPearl; 1135130]"In recent history, whenever Japan has faced a crisis, or any other nation wide problem. They don't pack their bags and leave the country. They have too much pride for that. They repriate.

"Not only themselves, but their money as well. That's why the Yen is rising sharply right now, they're selling their overseas investments because they need the money at home to rebuild.[/QUOTE]Very true. A lot of hotels are now reporting mass cancellations from Japanese. They will all now want to stay home and help.

Very proud race of people.

[QUOTE=Der Tourist; 1135282]There should definitely be some decrease in tourists over the next few months. It is unlikely though that those who booked their trips (and most of them come from Tokyo, Osaka and other large centers which were relatively unaffected by the quake and cunami) would cancel them. So I doubt there will be an immediate result. I gues it will take a month or two for thigs to get visible on the surface in relation to Japanese presence in BKK. Anyway it should be safe to say that there [i]definitely[/i] Will be some decrease of tourism from Japan in the short term (I. E. 3-6 months or so).

Ok, I found some news source.

Source:

[url]http://www.mcot.net/cfcustom/cache_page/182509.html[/url]

So all in all they still seem to predict [i]higher[/i] Number of Jap tourists than last year. Let's all hope this won't happen. . [/QUOTE]You are right, the prediction of reduction is not that huge considering what is happening now in the country of rising sun

[QUOTE=Bionicman;1135338]You are right, the prediction of reduction is not that huge considering what is happening now in the country of rising sun[/QUOTE]The drop may be more significant in the short term (say, over the next 2-3 months) but perhaps at the year end or so there may be a surge in inbound tourism from Japan because after starting to feel stable and confident the Jap tourists may start booking holidays more intensively due to a "backlog" of holidays they didn't take or cancelled. So I guess we must take advantage over that short period which should be the next few months and show those arrogant girls who are the real bosses.... at least until the Japs with their short dicks and big wallets come back :). I'm saying the last remark with a pinch of humor though. I respect Japan and don't mean to diminish its people even if their mongers are a bit of a pain to us.

I think we have a thread for Politics, tourism and all that shit about the short-dicks most tourists here don't give a shit about.

If you want to have an intelligent discussion, you need to go to the expat section, This section is for the general Public who just wants to read about where's the best ST and LT Place, and the latest prices.

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy;1135478]the general Public who just wants to read about where's the best ST and LT Place, and the latest prices.[/QUOTE]Like post # 13142, in this thread.

Pinkpearl, on ignore.

[QUOTE=Der Tourist;1135415]show those arrogant girls who are the real bosses[/QUOTE]Good luck w / that.

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy; 1135478]I think we have a thread for Politics, tourism and all that shit about the short-dicks most tourists here don't give a shit about.

If you want to have an intelligent discussion, you need to go to the expat section, This section is for the general Public who just wants to read about where's the best ST and LT Place, and the latest prices. [/QUOTE]Seems like this thread is more about Japan than BKK. Please leave your silly complexes at home and just enjoy what BKK has to offer, regardless of who else may compete. If you cannot afford a Rolls-Royce, just be happy with a BMW, instead of moaning about those who can afford the RR.

Got in around 930 pm and BREEZED through customs on Friday night. Was checked in and showered and ready to roll by midnight. Went to suzie wongs. Some decent looking women. 1 rotation only. Its okay. Went to Baccara, picked a cute girl with lights skin and wide hips. There was other better looking women there but this one caught my attention. Notheing REALLY special about her, it just kinda happened. I barfine her and didn't really negotiate the fee except that it was to be short time, just felt like having fun and her English was better than most girls there. We went to climax first. 200 baht entry fee and comes with a drink voucher. A bit pricey for the place if you ask me, but whatever. It was also pretty dark in there and I couldn't see the other girls very well. Wouldn't go back again. We go to my hotel after, and stop to chat and have a drink at the bar outside. She's getting drunk. 1st time I had a WG who did that. We talk for while and she's cool. Went to the room. Not a bad time at all. No anal, but I was fine with that. She stayed with me for a long about 3 or 4 hours total. Then she says she has to go home and do a report for school. I was fine with that because I wanted to sleep, but then she asks if I would like to come home with her. WTF? I didn't suspect she had any evil intentions because she was a sweetheart and we made plans to go to the movies the next day as friends. She even offered that if I paid her the short time rate the next night, she would pay her own barfine with it then she would spend the whole night with me. Not too bad a deal. She actually said she didn't want to leave me but had to go and offered to take me with her. Well. Normally I would have gone just for the fun of it, but I didn't feel like getting dressed and making the trip and junk. Cut her loose and agree that if I call or email her the next day, we would go see a movie or kareoke.

Didn't call her because wanted to try another girl. But she's definitely girlfriend material. Oh, by the way, her name is Vee or Vy or Vi or something.

Pink.

Went to mangos, snow white, angel massage to try to find the girls I researched. They were either busy or not in. Go figure. I go check out pink and the same. But I see one girl who looks okay and ask the cashier if she's good service and english level."oh yeah, she's good servce! But little english." Whatever, I go with it. Girl comes out, WTF? She looks nothing like her picture. A fuckin 5 AT BEST. Okay, let's see how good the service is. (Sigh) I'm not even going to waste my time reporting on it. Worst BBJ ever. There were times my tip was in her mouth and I didn't even realize it. She tried, but to no avail. She felt bad. Left her 600 baht because she actually tried and never rushed me.

Total damage: 600 baht at front desk. 600 to the girl. She had no complaints and said thank you.

Wouldn't go back, except. I did see some cuties on the way out who were smiling. Hmmm. We'll see what happens.

Drinks throughout theday. Blah, blah, blah, kill time.

Walked through patpong. Too early, like 630. Girls don't start showing up for work until about 7 or 8 maybe? More drinking. Head to Nana plaza at around 8 or so.

Rainbo 4.

Went STRAIGHT for rainbow 4 after seeing the reviews of this place. Som VERY nice looking women and some decent onse. Left stage is topless (girls are a tad bit rougher but STILL good looking on average) and right stage is top and bottom. I watch this one chick, I believe her name is New and her number is 003 or 3. Totally up my alley. She's 21 but she looks like she's just out of high school the way she's dressed, and the way her hair and makeup is done. Looks 90% japanese. She's rocking the light skin tone and she has the face of an angel. I buy her a drink and she sits with me. Her english sucks and it doesn't take too long before she says "Barfine short time?"

Now at this point I normally apply my past mistakes and say no. I had a girl in Pattaya a long time ago who was gorgeous from Superbaby. Talked business right away and I caved because I wanted her. Worst experience. SO nowadays I try to get to know a girl first and see how friendly she is.

Being that New couldn't speak english, there's no way of really gettin to know how friendly she is. But I HAD to have her. I HAD to find out. Fuck it. I go with her. It was early and she KNOWS she can charge top dollar. Fuck. Damm you penis. Damn you to hell. The experience was not bad. CBJ (typical for a girl like her) , didn't try for anal since I was too busy enjoying her and I figured she wouldn't have gone for it anyway, multiple positions and even an instance where she rode me in a POV fashion and I could see EVERTHING. I ask her to blow me so I can cum, and she obliges politely. GOD it was nice to watchI was satisfied overall because I was expecting a bad time I. One thing though, she could have been a little bit more giving in the nonsex-related service department. Such as, washing me down instead of handing the soap to me and having me do it myself, taking the condom off of my shaft after I blew my load, you know. Things like that. Still she's a sweety and the type of girl that if we were dating I would intentionally get her pregnant and keep her for myself forever. There was few of those girls in rainbow 4.

Total damage for New: 2000 bah short timet. 600 barfine. 300 for room on third floor. Maybe I overpaid,

To be continued.

Dear fellow hobbyists,

First of all, I did a search on 'Russians' but only found some postings of '09. '10. Was wondering if anyone has some updated information on where to go for Russians / Uzbeks / Ukrainian girls. I visited BKK 2 years ago, and only met up with one Uzbek girls in CM2. Is CM2 still hot at the moment, or did the scene move to a different location? More interested in (kind of) freelance girls, than the more organized options.

Thanks for letting me know, any input is appreciated!

Take care guys.

Vogel

Anglewitch.

Was skeptical aout this place, but tried it anyway. DEFINITELY MY KIND OF PLACE. If you're into rock music like: Ramstein, Aerosmith, metallica, and 80's and 90's rock music, then this is the place for you. The girls were very goodlooking in my opinion. 8's 9's, but possibly no perfect 10's. The rotation is as follows: a round of regular dance girls (about 20 or more that Saturday night) , then the show which consists of decent lookin gals. The show was great in eyes because it takes away from the same old boring dance the regulars do when they're on stage. A mix of different genres (thai songs, rock, soft pop,) along with choreographed dances, some with girls being oiled up, soaped up, an S&M version, and sometimes they'll have a tourist on stage. Don't know how to get that honor, but I'd sure like to find out. I don't think the Show girls are bar fineable until maybe the end of the night because it seems like they HAVE to be ther for rotations.

All in all, I would give the place a 9 and will definitely have to go back.

Lastly, suzie wongs at midnight was very slow compared to Friday night midnight. Like 7 girls dancing. Pretty empty.

Went to tilac bar at 2 just before closing. Will NOT go back. The hot dancers with no numbers are not barfinable. Fucking tease because I SO wanted them. Than the rest of the girls were may 5's and 6's at best. I repeat. AT BEST! Maybe there's hotter women in the earlier hours.

Sunday, went to Annies (refer to thread for review). About to go to star of light and see what happens.

Stay thirsty my friend.

[QUOTE=Muse Fan; 1135671]Pink.

Rainbo 4.

Went STRAIGHT for rainbow 4 after seeing the reviews of this place. Som VERY nice looking women and some decent onse. Left stage is topless (girls are a tad bit rougher but STILL good looking on average) and right stage is top and bottom. I watch this one chick, I believe her name is New and her number is 003 or 3. Totally up my alley. She's 21 but she looks like she's just out of high school the way she's dressed, and the way her hair and makeup is done. Looks 90% japanese. She's rocking the light skin tone and she has the face of an angel. I buy her a drink and she sits with me. Her english sucks and it doesn't take too long before she says "Barfine short time?"[/QUOTE]One thing I forgot. I took a pic of her so I could share it and let others appreciate her bueauty. (or not, whatever). Look out for it in the photos section. I'll post it when I can.

[QUOTE=Vogel09; 1135674]Dear fellow hobbyists,

First of all, I did a search on 'Russians' but only found some postings of '09. '10. Was wondering if anyone has some updated information on where to go for Russians / Uzbeks / Ukrainian girls. I visited BKK 2 years ago, and only met up with one Uzbek girls in CM2. Is CM2 still hot at the moment, or did the scene move to a different location? More interested in (kind of) freelance girls, than the more organized options.

Thanks for letting me know, any input is appreciated!

Take care guys.

Vogel[/QUOTE]Did you go thru Foreign Sex Workers in Thailand thread? And still not find anything worthwhile?

First post after having been longtime lurking this site. Bear with me guys.

I've used a lot of valuable information on this site when traveling different Asian countries.

Thank you!

In a couple of weeks I'll make another visit to BKK and look forward visiting some of my regular places.

After my visit which is essentially business related, I'm also planning to have a short holiday at a relaxing / luxury beach resort in Thailand.

I'd love to find a girl companion to join me for this short trip.

Does anyone have some experience with escort girls / bar girls / freelancers that are up for that?

I'll have 3 nights in BKK to venture out and I'll be checking out the bars at Nana and Soi Cowboy for quality material as well as Spasso'sand Q Bar which I found had some real stunners last time I went there. But wondering if I should maybe better focus on an escort agency girl for the holiday trip? Any ideas?

I've been using Tagged also for a while now, but not a lot of success.

I'm typically more attracted to a younger, J-girl style, model type (tall, fair skin, stylish, but. Also slutty when needed).

Any advise or sharing experience would be great!

I'm not a big writer, but will make an effort to share my stories in future as well.

[QUOTE=Raven70; 1135779]After my visit which is essentially business related, I'm also planning to have a short holiday at a relaxing / luxury beach resort in Thailand.

I'd love to find a girl companion to join me for this short trip.

Does anyone have some experience with escort girls / bar girls / freelancers that are up for that? [/quote]As long as you pay them, most should be up for it.

[quote]I've been using Tagged also for a while now, but not a lot of success.[/quote]Obviously, girls on tagged are not so much into tourists... in fact, if you're looking for Young, Tall Fair Skin.. you can already forget it... they're even hard for expats to grab (but not impossible)

[QUOTE=Muse Fan; 1135678]Anglewitch.

Along with choreographed dances, some with girls being oiled up, soaped up, an S&M version, and sometimes they'll have a tourist on stage. Don't know how to get that honor, but I'd sure like to find out. I don't think the Show girls are bar fineable until maybe the end of the night because it seems like they HAVE to be ther for rotations. [/QUOTE]

They try to get me to go up on stage for that every time I go in there but I always say no. Just ask one of the waitresses / mamasans when the shows start and they'll let you go up no problem. But be careful, some of the show dancers in that section look a lot like ladyboys to me.

[quote]After my visit which is essentially business related, I'm also planning to have a short holiday at a relaxing / luxury beach resort in Thailand.

I'd love to find a girl companion to join me for this short trip.

Does anyone have some experience with escort girls / bar girls / freelancers that are up for that? [/quote]Just ask around to all the girls you meet. A good portion of them will be happy to go if you seem like a decent guy and you get along well.

[QUOTE=Vogel09; 1135674]Dear fellow hobbyists,

First of all, I did a search on 'Russians' but only found some postings of '09. '10. Was wondering if anyone has some updated information on where to go for Russians / Uzbeks / Ukrainian girls. I visited BKK 2 years ago, and only met up with one Uzbek girls in CM2. Is CM2 still hot at the moment, or did the scene move to a different location? More interested in (kind of) freelance girls, than the more organized options.

Thanks for letting me know, any input is appreciated!

Take care guys.

Vogel[/QUOTE]Your search wasn't to good then, you must of missed the 'Foreign sex workers thread then.

[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?3187-Foreign-Sex-Workers-in-Thailand[/url]

[QUOTE=Muse Fan; 1135678]Anglewitch.

Went to tilac bar at 2 just before closing. Will NOT go back. The hot dancers with no numbers are not barfinable. Fucking tease because I SO wanted them. Than the rest of the girls were may 5's and 6's at best. I repeat. AT BEST! Maybe there's hotter women in the earlier hours.

Stay thirsty my friend. [/QUOTE]Try to date one of the Dancers either after they finish their shift or the next day. Ask for her phone number and if it is the correct number then she likes you you might be pleasantly surprised.

TILAC has all kinds of pretty girls early but as with every place they also have some dogs.

Have fun.

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy;1135837]Obviously, girls on tagged are not so much into tourists... in fact, if you're looking for Young, Tall Fair Skin.. you can already forget it... they're even hard for expats to grab (but not impossible)[/QUOTE]I think you'll find that your miles will vary greatly. My last time in Bangkok saw me get two freebie girls off Tagged. I've got one DEFINITELY up for freebie action on my next return, as she usually will open up her webcam on masturbate for me when I'm skype.

I loved that website.

[QUOTE=Mealticket;1134930]Smiles and I walked through 3 go gos. 2 Rainbows and a Mercury. Really quiet in the Plaza customer wise. Hopefully, finally, high season is winding down. It was a big one.[/QUOTE]For the first time since I saw it, NEP is undergoing improvements. 2 new gogos (DC10 and Billboard). DC10 is interesting, retro themed down to the shoes of the dancers. Unfortunately some of the dancers look almost old enough to be the real thing. Billboard is big and shiny.

Earlier I noticed the price of my G&T at Kiss (Soi Cowboy). Did I really just pay 180 for a plain smallish G&T? That's more expensive than a lady drink. Almost as much as a "coyote" drink.

[QUOTE=Muse Fan;1135665]Went to Baccara, picked a cute girl with lights skin and wide hips.[/QUOTE]That reminds me, last time I was at Baccara it seemed like two thirds of the girls upstairs have big hard fake boobs. Not what I go there for.

[QUOTE=Rocksoff;1136153]That reminds me, last time I was at Baccara it seemed like two thirds of the girls upstairs have big hard fake boobs. Not what I go there for.[/QUOTE]I did go upstairs with my girl just to see what it was like. There was a girl working a japanese guy right next to where I was sitting. I couldn't help but keep admiring har breast. It looked like the buttons from her shirt were going to pop off at any second. They were probably fake of course. But added on to her young looks, full lips and sexy eyes, I couldn't help but appreciate them.

The same went for a few of the girls there, so I would agree with you.

I'd consider myself a bit of an adventurer, so I go check out star of light. As advised by a post, I sit down at cleo bar nextdoor and have a beer while I scope out the ladies sitting outside. Total letdown. I didn't really go in expecting much but I had to take a look. Eventually, a lady who looks semi ok comes outside from the place and sits with the other girls. I go and we walk inside. The place is Ridiculously small. About the size of a department store bathroom, OR smaller. Its 80 baht for a drink, same as cleos. 700 Baht for a blowjob. Not even worth it for the quality of girls. I just had my beer and got out. Wouldn't go back or recommend.

[QUOTE=Evianist;1134227]Here's a couple examples. I wouldn't pay to have sex with either of these girls. I wouldn't even bother looking at them if I passed them on the street. But Thai people apparently think they're models.[/QUOTE]Agree to more than 100 percent. I am coming to Thailand to find, to see the real, true Thai kind of women. Not looking or turning my head for some post-operated "want-to-be-a-model" women. No way.

Also can't understand any foreigners that come to Thailand and go for those "Russkias" or "Blackies". No way. Why don't they travel to Russia, Africa or look for them in the red light districts at home?

Sorry for my direct and open, but honest words here.

Maa Paa

[QUOTE=Maa Paa; 1136493].

Also can't understand any foreigners that come to Thailand and go for those "Russkias" or "Blackies". No way. Why don't they travel to Russia, Africa or look for them in the red light districts at home?

Sorry for my direct and open, but honest words here.

Maa Paa[/QUOTE]Because they can't always go to those countries. Not everyone is as privileged as you, MP.

I for one would look at it another way. If SOL had the same layout as any of the other GoGo's, there is no way you would get drinks and BBBJ's at the same price. I like the fact that it's small and personal. I like how they turn down the lights just before the deed and I like the fact that you can get a BBBJ or even a BBBJ and lay without leaving your seat. To top it off, the hours are amazing and the services are conistently good for BBBJ's. It's not for everyone but my recommendation is just go with the flow and let the girls do their thing. I'm sure you will be a believer after your first service there.

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy;1135837]in fact, if you're looking for Young, Tall Fair Skin.. you can already forget it... they're even hard for expats to grab (but not impossible)[/QUOTE]I agree. Those types are pretty much into Thai guys only.

[QUOTE=Samata61;1136067]Try to date one of the Dancers either after they finish their shift or the next day. Ask for her phone number and if it is the correct number then she likes you you might be pleasantly surprised.[/QUOTE]Please elaborate! Are you saying the you successfully fucked a coyote girl at soi cowboy? And you had to take her on a date? Did you pay her also?

Sounds like way too much work. I want to fuck them in their little coyote uniforms right then and there when I'm horny. I hate that fucking non-barfineable bait and switch concept.

[QUOTE=Red Square;1136130]I think you'll find that your miles will vary greatly. My last time in Bangkok saw me get two freebie girls off Tagged.[/QUOTE]Nic is referring to cream of the crop Thais: Young, slender, white skinned beauties. How old were your scores, what provinces were they from, and how light were their skins?

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy;1135837]As long as you pay them, most should be up for it. Obviously, girls on tagged are not so much into tourists... in fact, if you're looking for Young, Tall Fair Skin.. you can already forget it... they're even hard for expats to grab (but not impossible)[/QUOTE][QUOTE=Amjeck;1136606]I agree. Those types are pretty much into Thai guys only.[/QUOTE]Hi Guys, thanks for the responses.

So proper model type girls seem to be difficult to score it seems.

What about the scene at Q Bar or Spasso's? Or are there any reliable escort agencies worth checking out?

I RTFF regarding agencies, but not very positive news over there.

Anyways, I'm not about to give up.

I'll be in BKK in about a month, if anyone feels like having a drink drop me a PM.

[QUOTE=Maa Paa; 1136493]Also can't understand any foreigners that come to Thailand and go for those "Russkias" or "Blackies". No way. Why don't they travel to Russia, Africa or look for them in the red light districts at home?

Sorry for my direct and open, but honest words here.

Maa Paa[/QUOTE]That was a pretty stupid thing to say, seriously.

Not every Foreigner in Thailand is a tourist like you, and some people fancy a change from time to time.

Also shoes you have no clue what is going on. Russian (more like uzbeks actually) cater mostly to Arabs, who come to Thailand on a medical Holiday. They stay at the grace hotel and go to Bumrungrad.

Suggest you head to ez Massage. They had tonne of gals available. This is the web link if I am not wrong.

[url]http://www.ezmassagebkk.com/[/url]

You may look for Ben. He is my friend in Singapore. Just say you are mr Ah SAN friend from Singapore.

[QUOTE=Raven70; 1136620]Hi Guys, thanks for the responses.

So proper model type girls seem to be difficult to score it seems.

What about the scene at Q Bar or Spasso's? Or are there any reliable escort agencies worth checking out?

I RTFF regarding agencies, but not very positive news over there.

Anyways, I'm not about to give up.

I'll be in BKK in about a month, if anyone feels like having a drink drop me a PM. [/QUOTE]

I thought I'd share a story the cougar I reported on told me.

Yardpet is a massage joint only really. Its kinda old inside but the massage is good. Ladies are all older there.

Anyway, so the story goes that my masseur had a woman from Dubai come in with her husband. Hubby was in a separate booth and during the massage she took the hand of my cougar and put it on her pussy lips. My cougar oblidged and massaged her clit to completion!

I thought that was too strange to be a lie. So I asked if this woman client ever came back. It turns out she did. Apparently wanting to have my cougar lick her out. She wouldn't do it though!

Hatguy

[QUOTE=Duniawala;1136529]Because they can't always go to those countries. Not everyone is as privileged as you, MP.[/QUOTE]Totally missunderstanding. Or maybe just a try to get some reaction from me.

I have never been to Russia or Africa and I have to work for my salery. I never regarded myself as privileged in any sense.

Maa Paa

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy; 1136631]That was a pretty stupid thing to say, seriously.

Not every Foreigner in Thailand is a tourist like you, and some people fancy a change from time to time.

Also shoes you have no clue what is going on. Russian (more like uzbeks actually) cater mostly to Arabs, who come to Thailand on a medical Holiday. They stay at the grace hotel and go to Bumrungrad. [/QUOTE]Maybe it was stupid to write this. But I am not stupid.

I guess, you are the most expirenced expat in the forum, know all and everything and never write anything stupid. Ok, good.

But I am not here as a tourist to spend some weeks of fun. I am living in Thailand like you (I guess). Maybe, you are the lucky man who does not have to work for his money. But I have to.

Maa Paa

[QUOTE=Maa Paa; 1136493]Agree to more than 100 percent. I am coming to Thailand to find, to see the real, true Thai kind of women. Not looking or turning my head for some post-operated "want-to-be-a-model" women. No way.

Also can't understand any foreigners that come to Thailand and go for those "Russkias" or "Blackies". No way. Why don't they travel to Russia, Africa or look for them in the red light districts at home?

Sorry for my direct and open, but honest words here.

Maa Paa[/QUOTE]Take into account people traveling in certain aras do not travel in otehrs, but fancy a try.

There is people traveling for business which never go in Eastern Europe,

There is people who do not like to go in certain countries.

There is people maybe saying "what the hell, such a braeutiful country to visit like Thailand and you spend your days and night bedding girls in filthy hotel not seeing the light the of the day"

Each one his own.

Never be so judgeful!

Ever read a book about Thai history?

For hundreds of years boats from all over the world have traveled up the Chao Phraya River to Bangkok to buy and sell just about everything, including women. Now, in comparison, there are jumbo jetliners making non-stop flights to every corner of the planet in very little time and for very little money.

Bangkok is a crossroads of the earth. People come here to spend money, make money, have fun, and get their rocks off. People from everywhere. Not just Europeans and North Americans, but Japanese, Russians, Arabs & Africans, too.

There are thousands of women, right here right now, waiting for a man to come and spend some money and time with them. Most, with the exception of a few princesses, could not care where you are from.

IMHO, the discussion lately about who is fcuking who, dick size and skin color is very narrow minded. There is plenty to go around for everyone here in Bangkok. If you don't like something why not keep it to your self, and come up with something positive instead to share on this forum?

See the woman with the ample ass in the attached picture? She works at a famous Patpong bar and would love to have someone come in and pay her barfine and spend some money on her. Simple really.

[QUOTE=Bionicman;1136665]...... Each one his own. Never be so judgeful![/QUOTE]Thanks for reminding me. Really. That's what my parents taught me. All people are different, like different things, behave in different ways and so on. Never judge in general.

Ok, let's break it down to this and I will stop talking about this. Thanks again.

Maa Paa

[QUOTE=Maa Paa;1136649]Maybe it was stupid to write this. But I am not stupid.[/quote]Read my post again, I never said you were stupid, I said that what you wrote was stupid.

[quote]But I am not here as a tourist to spend some weeks of fun. I am living in Thailand like you (I guess). Maybe, you are the lucky man who does not have to work for his money. But I have to.[/QUOTE]Your reaction to the whole Russian-African girls was a reaction I would have expected from a tourist but not an expat. I have been here for 6 years, get a good salary but I have to work hard for it, just like everyone else.

Anyway, people like Different things, African, Russian, Asians. Slim, Fat, with boobs, with big Ass. As long as there is a demand, there will be a supply.

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy;1136720]Read my post again, I never said you were stupid, I said that what you wrote was stupid. ....... Anyway, people like Different things, African, Russian, Asians. Slim, Fat, with boobs, with big Ass. As long as there is a demand, there will be a supply.[/QUOTE]Ok, I will relax and cool down, you are right. You just refered to my words and not to me. Sorry.

And your last sentence (demand / supply) is absolutely true, yes. That's economy / business.

I hope to be free in April. I miss BKK, would like to spend 4 or at least 3 weeks there.

Maa Paa

i had made a fleeting report of my time in bkk but here's a more comprehensive report. as i arrived bloody early i was surprised when the hotel just allowed me to check in. i was pretty horny so i called one place and as i reported earlier they outsourced it to another place which had someone available. the large butted girl. she had worked all night apparently and was as tired as i was but still put in a stellar performance. blow job for a bit uncovered then onto missionary and i couldn't take it so i came. after which she was not satisfied so we went again. barely came again but was good.

the girl kinda didn't want to go. she was very funny and laughed all the time. not on drugs. just very cheerful and it was exactly what i needed after all the stress of the last few weeks. i was trying to do some work after that but she wanted me in bed with her. we then went into the shower for a bit more fun. i swore that she would want to leave after that but she didn't. i told her to stay if she wanted to and she did. instead of 2 hours i got about 3. and yes she fucked me twice more.

finally she said she had to go. i went over to her purse and put the money in. she thanked me. it seems that thai don't like to handle it directly much the same way as japanese. finally a cuddle and she was out the door.

i laid in bed exhausted and had a little bit of a sleep. then got up and looked at the map. wondered where the hell the dubliners was but couldn't find it for the life of me. asked a few people. no idea. so i went to finnegans. love that place. the staff were great. it was st patricks day and i had completely forgotten but they reminded me. pretty soon were laughing and talking. i ate lunch and shook off the last of my tiredness. after that i spoke to the manager as i previously posted. she suggested i go down to a certain street and look for a massage there. i had planned to have one then go sleep until later.

for some reason yardpet massage attracted me and i was led upstairs into a floor with no one else there. here we go i thought! as i have written the lady followed me back to my hotel and it got interesting because i said to her that if she wasn't comfortable we neednt do the deed. she went off into the bathroom and came back wrapped in my two last towels. i peeled them off while kissing her to discover a hot body. she looked a little old in the face but the body was so beautiful that i was hooked instantly. we had a few goes and she took the rest of the day off from work. staying with me until about 8pm when we went down to the bar for a drink in the hotel. she had never had a drink in the hotel before. we had a great time there and then i told her i needed some sleep and off she went. we had made promises for the next day and i was planning on keeping them.

just so hot!

so the next day rolls around and off i go for some breakfast then on to see her again. she comes back and we had lots of fun. i decided to test the hotel. she stays over and we walk out in the morning. not a thing said. security was right there.

by this stage i'm ready for something different. a mate of mine wants to meet so we head for some beer and billiards at the dubliners. he tells me we should go down and check out snow white so we did. but the talent was lacking in a big way so we bailed. next was apple and ann. as soon as i saw her i knew i had to try her. what a stunner. see my other report! she was dynamite in bed. fucking awesome!

after this i was completely shagged but we were on a mission. a mission from god! haha! off we went to finnegans for some beer and food. i know! i'm an irishman at heart! then when it got a bit past six we headed off to patpong.

i've got to say this but it was boring there. we sat in one of the beer bars on the street killing bugs and being attacked by hawkers. we realized it was crap and needed to get to nana plaza. rainbow 4 was ok for a while. but after my mate went upstairs a guy came and sat at my table. he had a drink and a new bill was put on the table next to mine. then soon after he left and sat elsewhere. the worst had happened. the bills were round the wrong way. i noticed it but not the waitress. they wanted me to pay for a lady drink i didn't order. it pissed me off and i paid for my beer only and left. i guess they worked it out and nothing more was said.

we then went to angelwitch. omg! that place is the best i have ever seen! i love metal and hard rock. pretty soon they played enter sandman loud and i got pumped up! yee haa! got one girl to come over and sit which had a really nice body but she wasn't into me. so off she went. another one came over which i liked and she seemed more into me but the price was wrong so i left it. can't remember what she wanted but it was a bit much.

after a couple of hours we moved on to soi cowboy to suzie wongs. we ordered some hot chips and sat down to enjoy their dancers. totally crap dancers but the hot chips had an interesting affect. girls were coming over asking for a chip or two. it was a great ice breaker! after a while i found one of the girls i liked and she came over. lady drink then almost instantly she was back up on the stage dancing. i fed her the odd chip and she came back down and sat on my lap. decided to take her upstairs and we had a good quick bonk. couldn't finish but was very enjoyable.

that's about it for my time. hatguy

[QUOTE=Hatguy;1136749]I had made a fleeting report of my time in BKK but here's a more comprehensive report.[/QUOTE]Great Report! .

[QUOTE=Maa Paa; 1136735]Ok, I will relax and cool down, you are right. You just refered to my words and not to me. Sorry.

Maa Paa[/QUOTE]Don't worry, it's cool. Where do you live? I thought you lived in Bangkok?

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy;1136787]Don't worry, it's cool. Where do you live? I thought you lived in Bangkok?[/QUOTE]No, I would prefer to stay much closer to BKK but I had to start working about 700 km from there.

Mukdhan province. Deep Isaan province. A small village 50 km from Mukdahan town.

Hope to be in BKK in April. Ready to meet up. If possible.

Maa Paa

[QUOTE=Bionicman;1136665]Never be so judgeful![/QUOTE]Nah, go ahead and judge all you want

Your right about guys coming to BKK and banging west nigerians and uzbecks.

These chix are dogs, he says howling at the moon and crossing the street when a liberian in a dress 4 sizes too small reaches out and tries to grab him.

I think it's funny when the nana hotel won't let 'them in.

Plus, they're paying for this privilege, top dollar I hear.

The only upside, and it's a good one, is it leaves more hot, young, thin thai chix for moi.

BTW, did I say thin?

[QUOTE=Beach Boiii; 1136632]Suggest you head to ez Massage. They had tonne of gals available. This is the web link if I am not wrong.

[url]http://www.ezmassagebkk.com/[/url]

You may look for Ben. He is my friend in Singapore. Just say you are mr Ah SAN friend from Singapore. [/QUOTE]Look at their price list. What the hell do you get with each. All too confusing. Inclusive, extras.

The evening starts with me going to Soi Cowboy to find my favourite girl from several times before, but then they say she is on holiday. Arghh!

So I go to check out Nana Entertainment Plaza, which I haven't been to before. I arrive there at 9 and stays until 11. Being used to Cowboy, I don't find the place so nice. Really I prefer a street instead of a multiple store bolding. And taking an elevator? Anyway I check out the following places on street level: Pretty Girls, Rainbow1, Rainbow2, Playskool. On 2nd floor: Rainbow3, Rainbow4, Spankys, AngelWitch, GSpot. On 3rd floor: Billboard (name?). These are the places I found to most promising after researching on the web. For most of them I just take a quick look, they all seem ok, but none seems especially interesting, (am I spoiled?) At this time none have nude dancers and only two (Rainbow1 and AfterSkool) have topless dancers. Disappointing! But of course, there are beautiful ladies around, so I decide to check out some places further.

Afterskool: A girl at the stage smiles at me, and she is pretty so I invite her down. But then she' s not so interesting (or interested?) after all and she wants 2000 ST, and 3000 LT. Too much for her! I say no, and she goes up on stage again without finishing her LD. Spankys: When I try to look into Spankys one more time, the doorgirl says "no, not for you, you look inside three times!" LOL! Billboard: I look at the show for I while, but don't take any girls, all the good ones (just a few) are already taken.

Rainbow 3: all the Rainbow bars have beautiful slim girls with a lot of Japs spoiling them. (one more meltdown, please!). I sit down and then I choose a girl which is both absolutely gorgeous and seems to be interested. (I don't remember her name, she has a bit dark skin colour and comes from near Pattaya.) She kisses a bit, FK, but not

DFK. (a sign?) Also here expensive. 600 BF and 2000 ST or 4000 LT. I take her for the ST, she says 3 hours. Off we go, but out on the street she wants to buy new shoes! She pays herself of course but annoying to wait. Back in my hotel room she wants a beer from the minibar. Ok. This girl is somewhat nice and friendly, but still a bit rude. We shower and go to bed, and now she seems to be in hurry, something I don't like. Question: What do you guys do when the girls starts to try to finish as soon as possible? Very short dfk, then some BBBJ, but she's not that good at it. She hurries to start FS, even though I say wait. Well, she is really sexy and has this really tight pussy, so I don't last long. I go out to the bathroom to remove the condom, and then, WHAT? The condom is broken. (First time this has happen to me.) At the same time I hear her scream: "the condom!" She rushes out to the bathroom and showers herself in the pussy. Then she gets nervous and tells she is afraid of getting pregnant + sti's. I say I'm sorry and try to comfort her and tell her I have vasectomy and that I tested negative on sti's on a check-up just two weeks ago. It doesn't help much, and she leaves to go to find a pharmacy. What a downturn: with this sexy woman I could had gone on all night, but now this: a broken condom and she runs away! What was the reason for this: 1 she stretched the condom before putting it on. 2 she was dry. Why can't these hurry-hurry girls understand that it is better for their own safety to take time and do some foreplay! After she left I found her g-string with her number on, # 38. She forgot it, and since I'm no fetishist I will go back to the bar and give it to her.

Question for those of You who prefer Nana: What's better with Nana compare to Cowboy?

It is very common. Most of the time it is because some asian girls have very tight pussies. Working girls get dry very fast although initially they tend to be wet. I guess it is because they have frequent sex and not horny or they have lost interest. Generally with these girls second time around is better than first time. ST is not enough to develop a chemistry for her to be interested. If the girl is pretty and has a good body it is good to take LT. Ofcourse the benefit is not guaranteed but IMHO the girls tend to relax and have better sex.

Many of these girls the vagina has not been opened fully and for some reason condom break happens. Have not experienced with older girls.

[QUOTE=John Traveller;1136862]Question: What do you guys do when the girls starts to try to finish as soon as possible?[/QUOTE]I'm certainly not an experienced traveler, but I have a growing collection of experiences here in the states. A lot of bad experiences "growing up", you might say. But it's been getting better as I've matured. Frankly, you get sick of the bull shit. Don't pay up front. Show her the money. But you paid for three hours; she gets paid (or doesn't) on the way out the door. I heard it mentioned before,"You don't pay a working girl to fuck you. You pay her to leave." And it was an awakening. Be confident and assertive in what you want. Take it. Be realistic too. This isn't a "romantic encounter" for her. She doesn't really want to be with you. You're using her for your own enjoyment. She will try to finish you off and get out the door if you let her. But by being confident and assertive, you can enjoy your time and you can make her enjoy it despite herself. Whether you're aware of it or not, there is a psychological power struggle going on here. Her sex has power over you. Your money has power over her. Which is stronger? Which is going to win? Work the girl. Don't let her work you. You're not here to bust a nut. You could have done that yourself. Your not even here to have sex. You could easily do that with some old, fat ***** for free. Your here to enjoy the body and beauty of a young, sexy woman. Stay focused. Personally, I don't even like to fuck clam so tight if its dry. You *must* juice it up and in a lot of cases open it up too. Spread that shit out. Dine. Use a toy. Open her up good. Get it juicy. Force her if you have to. Whatever she says / complains, just ignore her. She can enjoy it, or she can endure it. Who cares? Her pussy will respond. Do what ever you want. You're the one paying for it. Feel the power. Enjoy.

[QUOTE=John Traveller; 1136862]We shower and go to bed, and now she seems to be in hurry, something I don't like.

Question: What do you guys do when the girls starts to try to finish as soon as possible? [/QUOTE]Very simple: tell her to go slow and to continue Blowing you. If she says no, kick her out the room. If she asks for Taxi-money, tell her she will get her 300 thb cut from the 600 thb Barfine you paid. Be Firm. You pay = You decide.

These girls would never behave like that with a Thai guy. They play with the niceness of the white Buffalo.

Be nice if she is nice, be an asshole if she is rude or try to take advantage. It's a money game anyway.

[QUOTE=John Traveller;1136862]Question for those of You who prefer Nana: What's better with Nana compare to Cowboy?[/QUOTE]

No coyotes and drink wh0res. Less touristy. The girls are mostly looking for you to take them out, as opposed to Cowboy girls who just stare at themselves in the mirrors while they're dancing.

Most of my favorite girls have come from Nana.

If you want to see some shows and have a fun night out, go to Cowboy. If you want to take girls home, go to Nana.

[QUOTE=Triple Stacks;1136879]I'm certainly not an experienced traveler, but I have a growing collection of experiences here in the states. A lot of bad experiences "growing up", you might say. But it's been getting better as I've matured. Frankly, you get sick of the bull shit. Don't pay up front. Show her the money. But you paid for three hours; she gets paid (or doesn't) on the way out the door. I heard it mentioned before,"You don't pay a working girl to fuck you. You pay her to leave." And it was an awakening. Be confident and assertive in what you want. Take it. Be realistic too. This isn't a "romantic encounter" for her. She doesn't really want to be with you. You're using her for your own enjoyment. She will try to finish you off and get out the door if you let her. But by being confident and assertive, you can enjoy your time and you can make her enjoy it despite herself. Whether you're aware of it or not, there is a psychological power struggle going on here. Her sex has power over you. Your money has power over her. Which is stronger? Which is going to win? Work the girl. Don't let her work you. You're not here to bust a nut. You could have done that yourself. Your not even here to have sex. You could easily do that with some old, fat ***** for free. Your here to enjoy the body and beauty of a young, sexy woman. Stay focused. Personally, I don't even like to fuck clam so tight if its dry. You *must* juice it up and in a lot of cases open it up too. Spread that shit out. Dine. Use a toy. Open her up good. Get it juicy. Force her if you have to. Whatever she says / complains, just ignore her. She can enjoy it, or she can endure it. Who cares? Her pussy will respond. Do what ever you want. You're the one paying for it. Feel the power. Enjoy.[/QUOTE]Very well said

[QUOTE=John Traveller;1136862]a broken condom and she runs away! What was the reason for this: 1 she stretched the condom before putting it on. 2 she was dry.[/quote]Always Carry a tube of KY with you. Seriously. And if the girl is young and Tight, use the KY.

I know our Ego would prefer that we make the girl be juices on her own but the lass is a prostitute that goes through 4 to 5 johns a day. At some point, she ain't going to be horny anymore.

[quote]Why can't these hurry-hurry girls understand that it is better for their own safety to take time and do some foreplay![/QUOTE]They don't give a shit about Foreplay. Foreplay takes time and time is money. They are not your Girlfriend, they are there for the cash and the less time they spend with you, the more time they have to go back for another ST. And make more money

To avoid condom breakage :

-never use the small thai-sized condoms. This is probably the worst mistake, they are way too small and a disaster waiting to happen. Bring your own condoms or, in Thailand, buy the blue Durex package that says 56 mm on it. They work good for me and I'm not small so unless you are spectacularly endowed they should work for you.

-bring your own lubricant and use it. Sometimes the girl doesn't have her own.

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy; 1136885]Very simple: tell her to go slow and to continue Blowing you. If she says no, kick her out the room. If she asks for Taxi-money, tell her she will get her 300 thb cut from the 600 thb Barfine you paid. Be Firm. You pay = You decide.

These girls would never behave like that with a Thai guy. They play with the niceness of the white Buffalo.

Be nice if she is nice, be an asshole if she is rude or try to take advantage. It's a money game anyway. [/QUOTE]Agree!

Being firm and fair is always good with the stuck up cunts that now permeate Nana and Cowboy. Keep in mind that these girls are completely spoiled by tourists (mostly docile japs) who give in to all their bullshit.

Thais will never respect you if you're nice. They only respect authoritative power. Show them that you are fair and don't tolerate any shit. And never forget, that it is you that has the money that they need!

I've not been back to Thailand for five years and was wondering what the current cost is for a girl? I used to go down soi cowboy a lot & would be going back there?

Also what about Pattaya just now & what about the most important thing. Beer prices?

Thanks in advance.

(I would also like to say last time I was there I lived with the same girl for 1 year, this time I want to have a new girl every night! I'm only there for one week)

[QUOTE=Triple Stacks;1136879]..... Force her if you have to. Whatever she says / complains, just ignore her. She can enjoy it, or she can endure it. Who cares? Her pussy will respond. Do what ever you want. You're the one paying for it. Feel the power. Enjoy.[/QUOTE]First part of your post was ok. You are right.

But the last few sentences? Would it be fun for you if somebody forces you to "enjoy, to "endure" a toy or finally a big dick in your ass? Can you imagine this? I know, some men like it. But for those who don't it's a "no go".

You can force her because you are stronger, sure. And you don't care about her feelings, about her screams, tears or injuries, right?

You're the man to be aware of as a bargirl in Thailand or everywhere else in the world.

I have been to Thailand nearly 20 times. And not only to visit the temples.

Sure, some women left me before "the end". So what? I didn't care. It was my fault to choose her! But never ever a reason to force her to do anything.

Maa Paa

[QUOTE=Spider916;1110019]Tookta is only working in Dollhouse when she feels like it. She does not need the salary as she has a few sponsors and always gets barfined when she turns up for work. Usually I just phone her or facebook her and most of the time she shows up on the agreed time, but not always. Her looks are perfect, especially the nomms but her performance is often lackluster.[/QUOTE]Nice pics Spider! Do you have any topless pictures of this girl to share? How old is she?

-Keppana

[quote=maa paa; 1137118]first part of your post was ok. you are right.

but the last few sentences? would it be fun for you if somebody forces you to "enjoy, to "endure" a toy or finally a big dick in your ass? can you imagine this? i know, some men like it. but for those who don't it's a "no go".

you can force her because you are stronger, sure. and you don't care about her feelings, about her screams, tears or injuries, right?

you're the man to be aware of as a bargirl in thailand or everywhere else in the world.

i have been to thailand nearly 20 times. and not only to visit the temples.

sure, some women left me before "the end". so what? i didn't care. it was my fault to choose her! but never ever a reason to force her to do anything.

maa paa[/quote]quite right. i would go even further:

forcing any human being into any sexual activity that he or she does not want is: [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url]. whether you paid for it before or not is irrelevant. try this argument ("i paid her for anal but then she refused, so i forced myself in") in front of any tribunal in the world, and see how good it will be received.

more than once did i discover, not necessarily in thailand, but even in london, that my provider, whose mama san had promised this and that, was not at all prepared for it. i found a terrified little thing looking at me apprehensively. should i have forced myself on her? or bitterly complained to the mama-san, so that she would get beaten after i left? no, i let her do what she was prepared to do, said thank you and left peacefully.

come on, there are enough willing providers so that we don't have to force anyone. for your own sake as much as your provider's, when it happens, say ok, send her back with a smile, but don't play the machist. mongering is not a 100% safe game, we get ripped off occasionnally, not a big deal compared to the thousand times we get what want.

[quote=dreams; 1137152]quite right. i would go even further:

forcing any human being into any sexual activity that he or she does not want is: [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url]. whether you paid for it before or not is irrelevant. try this argument ("i paid her for anal but then she refused, so i forced myself in") in front of any tribunal in the world, and see how good it will be received. [/quote]i don't think the op meant "force her" in a negative or brutal way, i think he just meant that sometimes you get that "unsure resistance" from a girl but she isn't really saying no. so you kind of push your way in.

i remember a lady from angel (soi 24/1) who did not want me to daty. she said no and put her hand on her pussy. i removed her hand and started to lick her. she tried closing her legs but to no avail. once she "came" she gave me a great dfk and a thank you.

[quote=nicfrenchy;1137171]... i remember a lady from angel (soi 24/1) who did not want me to daty. she said no and put her hand on her pussy. i removed her hand and started to lick her. she tried closing her legs but to no avail. once she "came" she gave me a great dfk and a thank you.[/quote]is that like [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url] with mitigating circumstances? :d

[quote=daddy07;1137177]is that like [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url] with mitigating circumstances? :d[/quote]maybe she did not want to have to tip me for working on her.

I used to know some women who would say no evertime you tried something. So kept trying just the same. After a while I asked them should I stop and they still said no. Depends on the meaning of no I guess.

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy;1137171]...... I remember a lady from ANGEL (soi 24/1) who did not want me to DATY. She said no and put her hand on her pussy. I removed her hand and started to lick her. She tried closing her legs but to no avail. Once she "came" she gave me a Great DFK and a Thank you.[/QUOTE]Just licking is another thing: I also like to play it this way. And have got some experiences like you. First resistance, then let me go and do it. And later even happy about it, yes.

But licking a woman is different from streching a woman's pussy, forcing your dick into her small pussy or ass!

Totally different, sorry.

Maa Paa

[quote=dreams; 1137152]quite right. i would go even further:

forcing any human being into any sexual activity that he or she does not want is: [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url]. whether you paid for it before or not is irrelevant. try this argument ("i paid her for anal but then she refused, so i forced myself in") in front of any tribunal in the world, and see how good it will be received.

more than once did i discover, not necessarily in thailand, but even in london, that my provider, whose mama san had promised this and that, was not at all prepared for it. i found a terrified little thing looking at me apprehensively. should i have forced myself on her? or bitterly complained to the mama-san, so that she would get beaten after i left? no, i let her do what she was prepared to do, said thank you and left peacefully.

come on, there are enough willing providers so that we don't have to force anyone. for your own sake as much as your provider's, when it happens, say ok, send her back with a smile, but don't play the machist. mongering is not a 100% safe game, we get ripped off occasionnally, not a big deal compared to the thousand times we get what want. [/quote]thanks for your post.

while writing mine the word "[url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url]" came to my mind. but i didn't use it to avoid too strong reactions here.

maa paa

[QUOTE=Dreams; 1137152]More than once did I discover, not necessarily in Thailand, but even in London, that my provider, whose Mama san had promised this and that, was NOT at all prepared for it. I found a terrified little thing looking at me apprehensively. Should I have forced myself on her? Or bitterly complained to the mama-san, so that she would get beaten after I left? No, I let her do what she was prepared to do, said thank you and left peacefully.

Come on, there are enough willing providers so that we don't have to force anyone. For your own sake as much as your provider's, when it happens, say Ok, send her back with a smile, but don't play the machist. Mongering is not a 100% safe game, we get ripped off occasionnally, not a big deal compared to the thousand times we get what want. [/QUOTE]Big difference between a scared girl who's new to the game and doesn't know what she's doing and a cunning professional who's being shitty and trying to limit the sexual activities to 5 minutes or less so she can get back to work.

With the first case, obviously you let it slide, try to make her feel safe and comfortable and take what you can get. Getting pushy or forcing her to do anything would be very dickheaded of you.

With the latter, it might be more appropriate to suggest a reduction in your agreed upon fee. If she refuses and is intent on you finishing, tell her ok, ask for a HJ to finish you off and then at the last minute change the angle so you "accidentally" mess up her hair and makeup, making her rush back to work a little bit more difficiult.

[quote=maa paa; 1137209]thanks for your post.

while writing mine the word "[url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url]" came to my mind. but i didn't use it to avoid too strong reactions here.

maa paa[/quote]so far, not too many strong reactions. i think most people agree. and probably very few would actually behave as suggested. it's one thing to brag on an anonymous forum, and another one to act in real life.

[QUOTE=Evianist; 1137223]Big difference between a scared girl who's new to the game and doesn't know what she's doing and a cunning professional who's being shitty and trying to limit the sexual activities to 5 minutes or less so she can get back to work.

With the first case, obviously you let it slide, try to make her feel safe and comfortable and take what you can get. Getting pushy or forcing her to do anything would be very dickheaded of you.

With the latter, it might be more appropriate to suggest a reduction in your agreed upon fee. If she refuses and is intent on you finishing, tell her ok, ask for a HJ to finish you off and then at the last minute change the angle so you "accidentally" mess up her hair and makeup, making her rush back to work a little bit more difficiult. [/QUOTE]Good to read that you actually agree with me: never force yourself (sexually) on anybody. As far as your other suggestions are concerned, I would not behave like this, personally, but to each his own.

[QUOTE=Dreams;1137225]Good to read that you actually agree with me: never force yourself (sexually) on anybody. As far as your other suggestions are concerned, I would not behave like this, personally, but to each his own.[/QUOTE]If a hardened pro demands you finish after 5 minutes, you just say "ok" and hand over the money?

[QUOTE=Evianist;1137231]If a hardened pro demands you finish after 5 minutes, you just say "ok" and hand over the money?[/QUOTE]Never said that. Will politely say that if not willing to perform, she must go and I may give her some taxi money. After all, when you buy something, or a life Insurance, as a consumer, you have the right to withdraw without cost within the next 15 days. If she finally finds you unappetising, she can withdraw, but, of course you don't pay her. But I would not do what you suggested, such as shootuing on her hair etc.

I wouldn't say this is a massage place so I'm posting it here.

After reading the posts I had to see how it was for myself. I wasn't expecting anything attractive or anything. I walk in at about 930 on a Tuesday night. It's a bar. About 13 stools and 10 of them are occupied with european or western men. I sit at the end. I didn't see anything else so I'm thinking my there is a placed called 'Eden's' and I walked in here by accident. I order a beer to see what happesn. The manager, Mickey, comes over and asks myself and the 2 gents next to me if if's our first time. They say yes and I nod. Although, I read up on their site of how it works and what to expect, it felt good for Mickey to give us rundown as a refresher for my memory. Made me feel right at home and didn't rush us. Told us to let us know when we wanted a lineup. Eventually I call for one, there's about 5 girls on the right with 3 on the left. A waitress makes a recommendation on the right which just so happened to be the once I planned on selecting. Her name is 'Qatay' or 'katay' or something. Now for a lady at this establishment, she's NOT BAD AT ALL. Nice boobs, no scars on her legs, her face is quite alright. Then I choose the best lookin. Grandma. From the left just to throw some anal into the mix. Her name's Kip. Fuck it, let's just keep calling her grandma.

The room's not bad. Big mirrors. Big bed. Not run down. A porno on the tube. I ask for them to wear japanese schoolgirl uniforms and they happily oblige. We start off with a shower. I lay on the bed and watch them get dressed. Qatay has a nice body. Tight, with NO stretch marks. She may have been mid 30's but she was turning me on. Gramms on the other hand. Ehhhhhh not so much. Whatever. Katay is making me feel VERY comfortable. She didn't rush me. She even said things like,"that's fine sir, we have plenty of time, would you like more?" She's exactly what I want in a thai hooker. Polite, giving, enthusiastic, english speaking (more than well enough to understand my requests) , and decent looking. She gave what I thought was a great BBBJ but after watching her some more I realized it was more of lubed up hand job with some mouth action. No matter because it felt Great! She knew how to get me hot.

The rest of the details are for me to know, but if you like to try it all like me and visit this place, I'll leave you with this info so you know.

1. Get Qatay. This is the most important one. She's might be busy, but be patient and it'll pay off. She's worth it.

2. Anything goes here at this place so think of whatever fantasies, positions, acts that tickle your fancy and memorize them or write them down because you don't want to forget to ask Qatay for them. You can get as creative if you want. She's very obediant and after talking she said there's not much she's ever said no to.

3. Total damage is 3600 for the session which may seem steep, but you get as many pops as you can handle in that time and you are getting the opportunity to fulfill ALL of you fantasies at once. Sure, the gals are not the best, but if you want a porn experience with young hot college sluts then lets face it, you might have to pay ALOT more for that.

Honestly, I'd come back just to vist Qatay again. I still get hard when I think of her.

One thing Qatay mentioned (while we were having an intermission which I suggested) was that the French are the most creative customers of hers. She mentioned something about hurting her so I was thinkin. S&M maybe? She didn't look sad or anything and said she still politely does what she's told. The way it was talking it was pretty much like she was making casual conversation so it didn't seem like she was bothered by any of it.

Hey nice frenchy, is it true the french are the kinkiest? I would've pegged the Germans first. I don't know, I could just see Ramstein standing nude wearing a leather mask while whipping a naked girl wearing a ball gag and chain leash before I see a frenchman doing it. I only get my information from TV though. LOL.

Have fun fellas

[QUOTE=Muse Fan;1137239]is it true the french are the kinkiest? I would've pegged the Germans first. I don't know, I could just see Ramstein standing nude wearing a leather mask while whipping a naked girl wearing a ball gag and chain leash before I see a frenchman doing it. I only get my information from TV though. LOL[/QUOTE]The word sadism comes from the Marquis de Sade, who was french. The word masochism also comes from a french writer (Sascher-Masoch).

[QUOTE=Muse Fan;1137239]Hey nice frenchy, is it true the french are the kinkiest?[/QUOTE]Well, I'm not so sure as I have not (yet) had sex with a French dude. LOL.

But I can say this: French guys are usually well equipped in the "Johnson" Department (from what I have heard) and when you have a big one, certain positions might hurt the lady.

I remember a girl from ANGEL Massage who told me that due to my size, certain positions did hurt and I had to be gentle (can't ram it in hard). But she showed me a few positions where it was ok for me and for her to go hard at it without hurting her.

On the "Creative" side of the French, I am not so sure what she meant. I am myself a pretty normal guy and don't try to re-create the Kama Sutra everytime I fuck.

All in all, I think the French are not really different than the Germans or the Brits. I believe we have just as many sickos as anyone else.

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy; 1137400]Well, I'm not so sure as I have not (yet) had sex with a French dude. LOL.

But I can say this: French guys are usually well equipped in the "Johnson" Department (from what I have heard) and when you have a big one, certain positions might hurt the lady.

I remember a girl from ANGEL Massage who told me that due to my size, certain positions did hurt and I had to be gentle (can't ram it in hard). But she showed me a few positions where it was ok for me and for her to go hard at it without hurting her.

On the "Creative" side of the French, I am not so sure what she meant. I am myself a pretty normal guy and don't try to re-create the Kama Sutra everytime I fuck.

All in all, I think the French are not really different than the Germans or the Brits. I believe we have just as many sickos as anyone else. [/QUOTE]On a personal note when they complain about size, I switch to the scissor position it compensates for length.

LBM

[QUOTE=Evianist;1137284]The word sadism comes from the Marquis de Sade, who was french. The word masochism also comes from a french writer (Sascher-Masoch).[/QUOTE]Sacher-Masoch was Austrian

[QUOTE=Hermescali;1137456]Sacher-Masoch was Austrian[/QUOTE]You're right. From what I can tell, the French, Germans / Austrians, and Japanese seem to be world leaders in perversion.

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy;1137400]Well, I'm not so sure as I have not (yet) had sex with a French dude. LOL. All in all, I think the French are not really different than the Germans or the Brits. I believe we have just as many sickos as anyone else.[/QUOTE]The ladies tell me that French men (farangset) are handsome, but "kee neow."

I have been chatting with this girl for a while and I can say she is someone very interesting and fun to chat with, We started with just the regular Message on Tagged for a few days until she felt interested and intrigued enough to want to chat with me more. We exchanged MSN.

From then on, we would chat the whole day about funny stuff and Food and in the evening, she would be ok to do some kinky stuff on cam.

Last night she send me this message: "Baby, my period come soon, I am very horny, I want you"

I wasn't really expecting that. We joked many times about me sneaking into her apartment and joining her while she is under the shower.

I replied to her MSN that it was a bit Late but that I was willing to wake up early and see her.

She asked me to go to 7/11 and get some snack and chocolate before coming to see her, and she said to call her from the Taxi.

I get 2 packs of condoms, fruits, snacks, drinks and grab a Taxi. I call her and then pass the Phone to the Taxi driver for her to tell him how to get to her place.

Once I arrive there the building looks very clean and a security guard opens the door for me. He is surprised to see me but still lets me through as he sees I bring Food and Beverages.

He smiles at me and I nicely offer him a bag of chips, he is a bit surprised and accepts it with a Big Wai and a smile.

Up I go to the Apartment. The Room is quite small, about 30sqm and there is no kitchen, just a bed, a cabinet, a small CRT TV and bathroom (wall shower hose).

Lady opens the door and we are both all smiles, she takes the bags and looks inside. She tells me she is hungry and ask me what I want to do. I did not come all this way to watch her eat so I tell her I want to see the bathroom, she smiles and says "you want shower?"."ok" I reply and go in the bathroom. She has prepared a towel for me and I have a "Cold water" shower.

She is on the bed waiting and looking at me, coming out wrapped in a towel. I lay beside her and she does not move an inch. Cool, I'll take the lead.

I lean over to kiss her and she is a bit "Cold", I think she is a bit apprehensive and turns her head the other way when I try to kiss her lips. Fair enough, I can't expect her to be all in love from the start.

I go down slowly kissing and softly licking her while gradually removing her night-gown. Her eyes are closed and I hear her moaning softly: she is enjoying.

After I go way down to her sweet spot, she transforms, she grabs my hair and pushes towards her pussy.

I make her cum and she is all changed, Big smile, hungry eye. She wants to take care of me now.

She seems quite surprised and happy with Johnson's Size, she is stroking it and staring. I will learn later that she had 3 BF before and all were Thai-Chinese and quite small in the Pecker department. Anyway, sex was Great (Blow job was horrible though).

After sex, we showered together and had a second round in her bathroom.

We lay in bed trying to talk but her English isn't great and she does write and understands better when chatting. She told me she lives with a lady friend (they share the Room) and her friend go away to PAttaya to see her Boyfriend (a thai guy). They each pay 1, 500 per month for Rent (No A / C).

After talking I get horny again and she is happy, she asks me to DATY Again, she says "I love you do for me". She tells me she is super Horny before and after her Period.

We have sex a third time and she can't take anymore. She falls asleep.

I am in her apartment as I write this report. I am not sure if I should wait till she wakes up for another round or just leave?

Life is hard in Thailand.

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy; 1137479]I have been chatting with this girl for a while and I can say she is someone very interesting and fun to chat with, We started with just the regular Message on Tagged for a few days until she felt interested and intrigued enough to want to chat with me more. We exchanged MSN.

Life is hard in Thailand. [/QUOTE]How much time do you invest on average to bang one girl? Also, what is your "conversion" ratio?

[QUOTE=Amjeck;1137481]How much time do you invest on average to bang one girl? Also, what is your "conversion" ratio?[/QUOTE]I never really count, but at the moment there are about 20 girls I am chatting up (off and on) , but not all are ok to meet only for a fuck. That is why I prefer to spend more time chatting and be sure rather than meeting them for dates and wasting my time.

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy;1137490]I never really count, but at the moment there are about 20 girls I am chatting up (off and on) , but not all are ok to meet only for a fuck. That is why I prefer to spend more time chatting and be sure rather than meeting them for dates and wasting my time.[/QUOTE]I consider the chatting to be the bigger waste of time. A lot of girls just like having guys give them attention online. I try to skip ahead to meeting as quickly as possible, because if they're willing to meet then you end up sleeping together before long.

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy;1137490]I never really count, but at the moment there are about 20 girls I am chatting up (off and on) , but not all are ok to meet only for a fuck. That is why I prefer to spend more time chatting and be sure rather than meeting them for dates and wasting my time.[/QUOTE]I know you have a great job that pays big money and all that, but do you ever have time for work, Frenchy? .

[QUOTE=Daddy07;1137507]I know you have a great job that pays big money and all that, but do you ever have time for work, Frenchy? .[/QUOTE]I have a Big team under me so I delegate a lot. But I still have big risks. I have Msn on my phone so it is always easy to Chat "on the Go" and also a lot in evenings.

As opposed to Evianist, I am not meeting any girl until I am sure we will meet for sex. My Staff have enough stories of them going to fancy restaurants and Clubs with Farangs just to get free meals and drinks. And never actually get laid.

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy;1137513]As opposed to Evianist, I am not meeting any girl until I am sure we will meet for sex.[/QUOTE]Every farang on every thai dating site is trying to do the same thing. And many of them are offering money, gifts and vacations. Logging endless hours on MSN and camfrog having inane flirty conversations is something I can't personally stomach, so I'd rather just ask them to meet and see what happens. But it sounds like you're enjoying yourself, so whatever works for you.

[quote]My Staff have enough stories of them going to fancy restaurants and Clubs with Farangs just to get free meals and drinks. And never actually get laid.[/quote]That was rampant where I lived back home. Can't imagine guys going that route here when they could walk down the street and pop into a massage parlour, but given some of the fees guys have reported that they willingly paid, I'm sure it happens.

I couldn't stomach the hours of chatting either. I guess we are not as dedicated to pussy as Nic is!

What about meeting girls in the streets etc? It shouldn't be that hard and I think that's what I would do if I were an expat in BKK. Right now I'm banging a waitress from a restaurant I hang out in, it was quite likely the easiest sex I've ever had. Just a few jokes here and there was all it took. And no, I'm not paying or gifting her anything. In my limited experience with normal thai girls, they don't seem very hard to crack.

[QUOTE=Chill Out;1137586]In my limited experience with normal thai girls, they don't seem very hard to crack.[/QUOTE]That's true if you aim for the lower Class (waitresses, shop attendants) or middle class (office) girls, but once you start to tap into the upper middle class and / or the young, white, pretty girls, then it's difficult because you have to really get into their heads. These style of ladies are looking for Rich thai Guys and not Farangs. Sure they are Crackable, but it takes time and Patience. And a lot of perseverance (many will refuse).

Street random girls (check) , waitresses (check) , Shop Attendants (check) , Hairdressers (Check) , Office Gal (check) , Manager (check) , Banker (check) , Student (check) , Air Force (Check). Getting boring now unless I go for the more difficult girls. These ones won't meet you at all unless you really take the time first.

Once I bed the girl I am after now (been 2 months.) then I will be back to P4P. It's less headaches.

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy;1137591]once you start to tap into the upper middle class and / or the young, white, pretty girls, then it's difficult because you have to really get into their heads. These style of ladies are looking for Rich thai Guys and not Farangs. Sure they are Crackable, but it takes time and Patience. And a lot of perseverance (many will refuse)...Getting boring now unless I go for the more difficult girls. These ones won't meet you at all unless you really take the time first.[/QUOTE]

From what you've said, you're getting all your girls from tagged dot com. This is where the highest level, difficult to crack, upper class thai women hang out?

[QUOTE=Evianist;1137594]From what you've said, you're getting all your girls from tagged dot com. This is where the highest level, difficult to crack, upper class thai women hang out?[/QUOTE]Because you think I will lay all the details of my life on a sex forum? Hahahahaha

Those who met and know me are aware. As far as ISG is concerned, let's stick to ST and LT Prices.

I have 3 preset message templates. 1st Message, Reply to First Message, Third Message.

If I haven't got the phone number and agreement to meet for coffee by message 3 then I abandon that prospect (there is a right way to ask for the phone number and a wrong way. I am not giving up all my secrets)!

I never talk about sex or anything remotely like that in the messages.

I tell them I don't have time to msn or chat but much prefer to meet in person (there is a right way to ask and a wrong way. I am not giving up all my secrets)!

Arrange to meet for coffee (never lunch or dinner, too big a commitment and too expensive and no easy bail out)

Choose a cheap coffee shop very close (3 minutes walk) to your apartment (Starbucks too expensive if pursuing many leads).

Never think about sex on the first date (unless it is blindingly obvious). Meet for coffee only and be super nice and super polite (I used to aim for sex on first date but the strike rate is low compared to the long term benefits of the patient approach. Aiming for sex on first date is for amateurs and everyone is trying that. Possible 5 years ago but game has changed now).

Tell them you have a really nice apartment and would love to show them your place next time you meet.

Send a thank you sms and other occasional sms messages (but not too many, just have a nice day and so on to stay on the radar).

Next date tell them you are feeling very lazy but would love to see them and invite them to your apartment (there is a right way to ask them to your apartment and a wrong way. I am not giving up all my secrets)!

If they come then its game on (always assume they will be late for all dates by the way, which is why it's important the coffee shop you meet at be near your place. Only stop what you are doing and proceed to rendevous when they have confirmed their arrival).

I have a large sofa with an additional small one seater. When they come to your apartment ensure the one seater is full of cushions so they can't sit there (they will be isolated and you can't get them out of that seat).

Once they are sat on the sofa, you sit on the one seater and they start to relax. Put on music make them laugh a bit talk for a while and so on.

Get up and get them a drink or go to the toilet and then sit on the sofa next to them and hold their hand.

If they don't object out then its game on! If they object then apologise and be super polite and move back to your seat (they love this as they know they are safe in your hands and these are the ones that crop up later as referenced below).

The approximate stats.

Send 20 messages.

Get 10 replies.

From those replies get 6 numbers.

From those 6 numbers meet 4.

2 will come to your apartment.

You will bang 1 that comes to your apartment (but many more later as per below).

Now here is the interesting part and the BEAUTY of Thailand and Thai girls. The above may all sound like a lot of effort but there is a compounding effect that kicks in around the 6 to 8 week mark assuming you have been disciplined in sending 10 to 20 messages per day.

What happens is that you never come on or off a Thai girls radar you simply move up and down their priority list. All of a sudden you will start getting random calls at all hours from girls you met weeks ago that now want to meet and when you tell them fine but only for sex they always agree (that's why they are calling you anyway).

It is more or less a pure numbers game and if you religiously follow the discipline of sending messages every day then in 6 to 8 weeks you will be banging more Thai girls (and I mean office workers and so called real girls) than you know what to do with. Your head will be spinning and you can have sex two to three times a day with different girls. I cannot stress enough that this will NOT happen straight away. It takes discipline and perseverance but the dividends are phenomenal. You simply will not be able to keep up after the 6 to 8 week mark. Fortunately many people haven't worked this out and give up in the first week after not getting laid.

Surprisingly (or actually no surprise at all) the BEST online hunting hours are Monday to Friday from 9am to 5pm (although 3pm to 5pm is prime time). Office girls busy in the office!

I am only interested in so called 'office' or 'real' girls (I call them civilians) and here are some tips for identifying non real girls:

Works in Salon.

Can play pool

Knows Gullivers on Soi 5

No Job.

Have Own Business – Question Mark.

Knows Q Bar and Spassos.

Knows Climax in Soi 11.

Under no circumstances do I pay any of the girls and I beleive they would be offended if I did. If they look like the type who want payment or commitment I abandon that prospect.

Hope this helps. Be warned you will need spreadsheets and detailed descriptions on your phone as things spiral out of control (I am 100% serious about that).

Happy Hunting

Having arrived the day before with my Singaporean colleague, we met Thai clients for "lunch". They had meetings til 1, and then we went to their choice of lunch spot. La Belle.

Rather more upscale than places like Utopia. No fishbowl or sideline, just a stack of "lips"-shaped couches for the girls to sit on. It was pretty dead when we arrived at 130, so we had snacks and drinks and chatted with the mammi while one of the clients got his VIP card for this year (he paid for that on his own, but :lunch: was on us. I've got to say that the prices ("S" at 2900Bht, and up past 5K for "L" and special girls) are out of my "own pocket"'s league with all the adds. The place doesn't (from discussions in Thai between mammi and our clients, and my colleague (who speaks more THai than I do). That their prices are high enough that they don't see the need for a farang charge. YMMV if you show up not speaking any Thai.

Anyway, after about 15 girls got out of the locker room, we made our choices. I went with #S19. Patt. Who looked very much like a Japanese girl. Tiny, with more boob than I expected from seeing her upon the lip-couches.

The set up at La Belle is pretty typical. Elevator up to the rooms, room has a tub (big new 4 seat jacuzzi) , a separate steam shower, bed, and enough room for a 3person couch and TV. After a little messing about on the couch, she helped me undress, and we went thru the traditional scrubbing (Dettol in the water, don't get it in your eyes) , mouthwash, etc. Turns out that she's the resident "Kawaii-girl" (gets a lot of Japanese clients) , speaks Japanese (as do I). We went to the bed, where she expressed concern at the size of Herr Shwantz, and then proceeded to give me a three-axis deepthroat CBJ with Axels, Sitz spins, and tilt-and-whirls that gave the lie bigtime to her concerns. She wasn't keen on DATY, but did respond well to thumb and finger work as we went through having her lower lips swallow me, as well. Between cowgirl, mish, reverse cowgirl, sitting, standing, doggie, doggie yoga, and back to cowgirl after another round of CBJ, she was successful in dragging a full load out of me (vitamin L gives me a headache, but tends to leave me unlikely to pop until very very late in the game, and I was out of C.) I'd call her an 8. 5 for looks (very pretty face (chang Mai girl, but looks Japanese) , flawless skin and breasts, cute butt (a little scarring) , and long, curled hair). Call it 8 for service (she was up for plenty, tried hard, was funny, got into the moment) , and 8. 5 for skillsets. Didn't try backdoor, tho she was likely up for it with a little prep, but the CBJ was about the best I've gotten. That I can remember, and she was tight and acrobatic, (and light enough to played as a spinner, never a bad thing as far as I'm concerned.

Phone rang as we were cleaning up. Got dressed, got digits (she has a blackberry. LOL). Went down, and with traffic at a BKK late afternoon standard jam, walked a block or so to the subway, and thence to BTS and my hotel.

I'd go back. On an expense account, but otherwise. Not my price range, tho the talent did seem to match the priciness.

(Side note. Saw a girl there sitting in the lounge area (waiting for a guy who arrived just before we went upstairs, and never got off his phone, as far as I could see) who looked like an A-Pop star (big hair, black miniskirt, and a 10K$ Bell&Ross watch). I'd hazard that she was one of the "specials" and was clearly pre-booked. Youch.)

@Nic: fair enough. Quite comparable to my situation in China.

@Bowerboy: in your opinion, how do you explain the initial lukewarm interest then the interested messages a few weeks later? I imagine you talk to the girls about it; what's the explanation?

@OC ass man: so is La Belle an afternoon place? Do you have to have lunch there or can you just roll in and get a girl?

[QUOTE=Chill Out;1138089]@OC ass man: so is La Belle an afternoon place? Do you have to have lunch there or can you just roll in and get a girl?[/QUOTE]It's a Soapy, not a restaurant.

[url]http://www.labelle-entertainment.com/[/url]

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy;1136885]These girls would never behave like that with a Thai guy. They play with the niceness of the white Buffalo.[/QUOTE]This is so true!

I usually go out with a Thai crew and the way my Thai mates treat their "date"du jour is bordering on the inhumane. Going ST / LT with most farang is a holiday compared to working a Thai crowd.

I am always respectful, clean and polite with my girls but if I get the odd bad apple and she's trying to screw me I have to change gears quickly and get into asshole mode or lose control over the situation and be taken advantage of. I took some Thai guys into a busy bar in Soi Cowboy several times and they were just astonished by the stupidity of some of the things they saw.

[QUOTE=Evianist; 1136887]No coyotes and drink wh0res. Less touristy. The girls are mostly looking for you to take them out, as opposed to Cowboy girls who just stare at themselves in the mirrors while they're dancing.

Most of my favorite girls have come from Nana.

If you want to see some shows and have a fun night out, go to Cowboy. If you want to take girls home, go to Nana. [/QUOTE]Coyote are fun!

Though not the Soi Cowboy concept of coyote. In Soi Cowboy they totally perverted the coyote concept.

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy; 1137171]I don't think the OP meant "Force Her" in a negative or Brutal Way, I think he just meant that sometimes you get that "unsure resistance" from a girl but she isn't really saying no. So you kind of push your way in.

I remember a lady from ANGEL (soi 24/1) who did not want me to DATY. She said no and put her hand on her pussy. I removed her hand and started to lick her. She tried closing her legs but to no avail. Once she "came" she gave me a Great DFK and a Thank you. [/QUOTE]"No means yes but well, sometimes no means NO!" was a difficult concept for me to grasp when I first got exposed to Asia. Especially with a barfine where I really have no idea how to read the girl but after a while I boiled it down to this:

"Unsure Resistance" is best responded to with "Playful assertiveness".

[QUOTE=Bowerboy; 1137906]I have 3 preset message templates. 1st Message, Reply to First Message, Third Message.

If I haven't got the phone number and agreement to meet for coffee by message 3 then I abandon that prospect (there is a right way to ask for the phone number and a wrong way. I am not giving up all my secrets)!

I never talk about sex or anything remotely like that in the messages.

I tell them I don't have time to msn or chat but much prefer to meet in person (there is a right way to ask and a wrong way. I am not giving up all my secrets)!

Arrange to meet for coffee (never lunch or dinner, too big a commitment and too expensive and no easy bail out)

Choose a cheap coffee shop very close (3 minutes walk) to your apartment (Starbucks too expensive if pursuing many leads).

Never think about sex on the first date (unless it is blindingly obvious). Meet for coffee only and be super nice and super polite (I used to aim for sex on first date but the strike rate is low compared to the long term benefits of the patient approach. Aiming for sex on first date is for amateurs and everyone is trying that. Possible 5 years ago but game has changed now). [/QUOTE]You seem to know what you're doing bowerboy. I imagine you end up with as many girls as you can handle.

I don't work with as many girls simultaneously as you do, but my approach is more or less the same. Trying to minimize MSN chatting, and not bringing up sex constantly seems to be the key.

I had a couple girls who were hesitant and weren't warming up, even after a couple meetings. Then I kind of pulled back and waited and after a couple weeks something changed and we soon slept together. Oddly enough, these types ended up being the most passionate and sexual in bed, whereas the ones I slept with the first night sometimes ended up being a little boring.

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy;1137171]I don't think the OP meant "Force Her" in a negative or Brutal Way, I think he just meant that sometimes you get that "unsure resistance" from a girl but she isn't really saying no. So you kind of push your way in.[/QUOTE]I prefer the word "coax" for this approach.

Hi Chill Out.

Thai Girls are something of a mystery really. I guess its part of the magic and allure. I just think its a case that it may not be the right time for them on the first meeting for various reasons (another guy they are interested in, recently broken heart and not quite ready and so on and so on) As mentioned you just move up and down their priority list depending on their personal circumstances.

One extremely important thing is the feeling of being safe and secure. This is huge for the Thai girls. If they feel horny and do want no strings attached then they want it to be with someone they feel safe and secure with. You have to clearly demonstrate that you understand that no means no and that you are not pushy and super respectful. This will take you very very far with a lot of Thai girls.

Another weird thing is the "loyalty" that gets built up. Its extraordinary and I can't really understand it. I met a stewardess from Bangkok Airways (on a flight not online). We met a couple times and enede up in bed but she made it very very clear that she didn't want a farang boyfriend and was waiting for Thai Mr Right. She found him and he was a Pilot on Bangkok Airways. But even so she would still come and stay with me perhaps once a month and I never really understood why. It was almost like a loyalty thing or bacause she felt comfortable and so why not. It stopped after about a year and she is married now but I have countless other stories like this. I am an average looking guy and I assume average in bed but I know for sure that girls feel extremely secure and comfortable when I meet them and I think this plays a huge part although I don't completely understand it.

[QUOTE=Chill Out; 1137963]@Nic: fair enough. Quite comparable to my situation in China.

@Bowerboy: in your opinion, how do you explain the initial lukewarm interest then the interested messages a few weeks later? I imagine you talk to the girls about it; what's the explanation? [/QUOTE]

Agree completely. Each to their own but I absolutely refuse to chat on MSN. I just don't have time for it and if they want to endlessly chat on MSN then chances are they just online to flirt and play games. Most girls will give you their number if you explain your situation and ask politely (I am so sorry to be impolite and I hope you don't mind me asking but would it be ok with you if I took your phone number. I am sorry to ask but it is very difficult for me to chat on MSN as it is blocked in our office. I hope you don't mind and I apologise again for asking something like this so soon but I am very interested to meet you and see if we have a nice connection, don't worry I am a very nice guy I promise, you will see). Some of this does tie in with the first email template though which helps a lot.

[QUOTE=CoyoteLover;1138160]I usually go out with a Thai crew and the way my Thai mates treat their "date"du jour is bordering on the inhumane. Going ST / LT with most farang is a holiday compared to working a Thai crowd.[/QUOTE]I would like to hear more about this (from you and others if they have anecdotes). What exactly have you witnessed?

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy; 1138122]It's a Soapy, not a restaurant.

[url]http://www.labelle-entertainment.com/[/url][/QUOTE]Mssr Nic has the right of it. They have food, but it's a Soapy. This was "Lunch", not Lunch.

Have had some bad moments at soy cowboy. First impression has been that girls are much more beautiful, cute and young then at nana. Started to chat with one, had a couple of drinks with her (lady drink of course) and it was really nice. When I wanted to go with her she said that this is impossible, cause she is not for take away, only for customers amusement in the bar. This happened to me at 2 different places.

Afterwards I asked in 3 other bars the mamasan in the begining, and yes, it was always the same. Girls in one uniform are not for take away, girls in another uniform are therefore. Unfortunately in my eyes the no-go-girls have been by far much more atractive.

In nana, as far as I know, girls are in general not as pretty. Therefore everyone is for take away menue. So I prefer that place in future cause it is really stupid if you think "thats the one". And then it is not.

[QUOTE=Bowerboy;1138255]Some of this does tie in with the first email template though which helps a lot.[/QUOTE]How's your template look?

When things go wrong with your evening in Thailand, all is not lost.

Had an evening available for mongering. Started out with a quick bite at Quenn Vistoria Pub near Soi Cowboy and enjoying watching the English get trashed by Sri Lanka in the cricket. Had already called to my favourite bargirl at Dollshouse, but got the bad news that she was busy today. So what to do? Maybe get a girl or two from Suzie Wong.

Sat with a regular girl at SW for a while and let her dance once and do her "aap-naam" soap-sudsing show. Hostess/waitress "Or" and two mamasans had suggested a couple of girls as real goers, by customer reports. Was pondering over whether to take a 2nd girl as well but decided not to. Just was about to pay the bar fine, when some other guy walks in a bar fines her immediately. Slow on the draw can be deadly. I had already invested in a few drinks and so was slightly pissed off. Paid the bill and left.

Thought I would check out the Baccara hostesses that wear black. Went with a good one once before. Most of the hot hostesses seem to have been taken already by 11Pm on a Saturday. So went inside for a quick drink to see if any known girls were still there. Not really.

Spotted a girl sitting in the corner who looked quite pretty to me and slim how I like them. Called her over, and she seemed real friendly and bubbly despite looking very shy in the corner before. Turned out she was a newbie (just 1 month) age 25. She had to go dance, and I immediately thought she was much prettier / sexier the girls doing the special show just before.

So this time got her bar fined quickly before anything futher could go wrong. Turned out to be incredibly good fun in bed. Better than a GFE. Squirmed around while doing DATY but she never wanted me to stop. So gave her more DATY later. Had no baby and body was very nice with maybe smallish apple bottom and well shaped near to B cups.

Her blow job was veeeerrrrry slow (just as slow as Tulip Dao) which is how I like it. It never ceases to amaze me how few girls are capable of slow BBBJ.

She was not able to stay all night but more than happy to give me a second round before she left. Money had not been discussed, but she had assessed right that I am not a stingy type. I got a 2nd shot not long after the first, which is normal for many guys, but rare for me. So she was just that hot.

As its very normal for me to not discuss money with the girl, I thought I would ask her if she doesn't discuss the price with every customer. Turns out it depends on the style of the customer or his nationality to some extent. Some countries have a reputation as stingy, she hears from other girls. So mostly with western Farangs she doesn't discuss the price. She said she has had only one non-Farang customer, Japanese and did check the price with him, as Japanese were a somewhat unknown quantity to her. She is a picky with her customers too she said. They must smell nice for example and seem very clean.

We joked around and had a lot of fun. She doesn't like overly serious customers.

Guys, rule No. 1: Don't ask the girl why such a nice girl is doing this job, and wanting money for sex? The girl doesn't ask you why you are so hard up that you would pay to go with bar-girls that you consider to be low-class.

Anyway, she indicated that any customers who ask too many questions will get knocked back. She has to earn money but wants a fun time as well.

For really Thai horny girls, the opportunity to get sex with nice Farangs and get paid for it as well, can be good. She tells me she is done with Thai men, lives with mom now, and just wants to have fun with no BF, or maybe a really nice Farang BF one day.

So my evening turned from nearly ruined to gold, as she may be just about to take over the "Favourite Bar-girl on Cowboy" title. Oh shit, forgot to get her phone number. Will have to fix that in a hurry. There are still really super bar-girls around, so go-gos are not yet a total bore for me.

[QUOTE=CoyoteLover;1138165]"Unsure Resistance" is best responded to with "Playful assertiveness".[/QUOTE]. And a few tequilas (leg openers) are occasionally needed to get her in a hot for it mood. Occasionally, not so often.

[QUOTE=Muse Fan;1137239]1. Get Qatay. This is the most important one. She's might be busy, but be patient and it'll pay off. She's worth it.[/QUOTE]When I saw this name, I was confused for a second as it looks similar to Katoey (lady-boy) , but then realised that it would be Gra-dtaai (rabbit). Just in case anyone else was confused and thought it might sound like Katy / Katie.

Went to this place a few weeks back in Washington Square. It is grundgy and dirty inside. Sat down in a booth and 2 girls sat next to me. Both ordered drinks. Within a minute, one had my dick in her mouth. She sucked for a good five minutes while the other one gave me a back rub. Then, the 2nd girl took over. She was better. She also pulled her pants down and rubber her pussy on my dick. She then went down for the finish and I blew in her mouth.

There is really no charge for the BBBJ. They charge you for the drinks and you tip.

Total with tip was 850 Baht.

[QUOTE=Bowerboy;1138255]Most girls will give you their number if you explain your situation and ask politely (I am so sorry to be impolite and I hope you don't mind me asking but would it be ok with you if I took your phone number. I am sorry to ask but it is very difficult for me to chat on MSN as it is blocked in our office. I hope you don't mind and I apologise again for asking something like this so soon but I am very interested to meet you and see if we have a nice connection, don't worry I am a very nice guy I promise, you will see). Some of this does tie in with the first email template though which helps a lot.[/QUOTE]Wow, you certainly know how to beg. . In my experience, saying Sorry to a woman without having done anything wrong isn't the thing to do.

Your modus operandi seems to be cam frog screen shots and endless chat on msn. Mine is get the number and meet asap. It works, beleive me.

Two options. Be ultra polite and show that you understand the Thai way of asking (and build trust and sense of security from the very start) or chat for weeks on msn. I'll take the Thai way anyday.

Show us some more camfrog screenshots and I'll show you some pics of real girls in my bed, not on my computer screen;)

Good luck with the online alter ego by the way.

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy;1138489]Wow, you certainly know how to beg. . In my experience, saying Sorry to a woman without having done anything wrong isn't the thing to do.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Bowerboy; 1138499]Your modus operandi seems to be cam frog screen shots and endless chat on msn. Mine is get the number and meet asap. It works, beleive me.

Two options. Be ultra polite and show that you understand the Thai way of asking (and build trust and sense of security from the very start) or chat for weeks on msn. I'll take the Thai way anyday.

Show us some more camfrog screenshots and I'll show you some pics of real girls in my bed, not on my computer screen.

Good luck with the online alter ego by the way. [/QUOTE]Haven't used Camfrog in a While. I have now switched to Tagged and am Quite successful there.

In the end, it all depends on what type of girl you are targeting, if it is the regular Waitresses, office lady, store sales then for me it's not that interesting anymore as I've been doing them already.

The hard part is to get the really cute, White, young girls that all the thais go after. Now these girls are not really the type to go with Farangs in the first place and they are hit-on and asked for numbers by a lot of guys on a daily basis (same approach as Yours).

What works for me is not to be Apologetic but direct and funny and also mysterious (girls get hooked on that).

Contact them for a day or two, and then Stop completely. After a few days she will complain why you don't write to her? (your Average Bozo will send 10 messages a day or call many times).

For me, being distant works really well because they are the ones chasing and offering their number. They don't understand why a guy would not answer their massage or return their phone call.

But I have to say, doing the non-P4P has a huge downside. The girls can't get enough of you and they are difficult to get rid of.

While it was fun for a while, I have now decided to stop it completely and go back to P4P only, a lot less headaches.

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy;1138531]..... But I have to say, doing the non-P4P has a huge downside. The girls can't get enough of you and they are difficult to get rid of. ......[/QUOTE]Don't have that much experience about non-p4p women.

But especially the one from Nikhom (30 km from my actual place) is exactly that kind of woman. In her early 30's, I was the first man for her, she knows that there is another woman around (sometimes). But she loves me, wants to meet me even when I am sickwants to come with me to BKK in April.

I start to miss my freedom. Not yet bored of her, no. But it should stay up to my schedule, up to me.

Maa Paa

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1138407]Sat with a regular girl at SW for a while and let her dance once and do her "aap-naam" soap-sudsing show. Hostess/waitress "Or" and two mamasans had suggested a couple of girls as real goers, by customer reports. Was pondering over whether to take a 2nd girl as well but decided not to. Just was about to pay the bar fine, when some other guy walks in a bar fines her immediately. Slow on the draw can be deadly. I had already invested in a few drinks and so was slightly pissed off. Paid the bill and left.[/QUOTE]Gee, hope I'm not the guy that made you take your ball and go across the soi. Is this the girl?

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If yes, thanks for the leg openers.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1138407]Thought I would check out the Baccara hostesses that wear black. Went with a good one once before. Most of the hot hostesses seem to have been taken already by 11Pm on a Saturday.[/QUOTE]Like this one?

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If so, thanks for supporting her.

[QUOTE=Pita123; 1138598]Gee, hope I'm not the guy that made you take your ball and go across the soi. Is this the girl?

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If yes, thanks for the leg openers.

Like this one?

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If so, thanks for supporting her. [/QUOTE]Pita,

No and No are the answers.

The 1st pic was under consideration as a possible 2nd girl to add to the other one. I saw this girl pictured later outside going into another bar, maybe with you (not so sure) , about the time I was taking my Baccara girl away.

I recognise the Baccara hostess pictured, but haven't been with her yet. She wasn't there when I entered Baccara.

But it will be hard to go past my newbie that was such fun.

[QUOTE=Syzygies; 1138607]Pita,

No and No are the answers.

The 1st pic was under consideration as a possible 2nd girl to add to the other one. I saw this girl pictured later outside going into another bar, maybe with you (not so sure) , about the time I was taking my Baccara girl away.

I recognise the Baccara hostess pictured, but haven't been with her yet. She wasn't there when I entered Baccara.

But it will be hard to go past my newbie that was such fun. [/QUOTE]Yeah that was me and Fon Tok taking her, and a few others in tow, into the other bar. You shoulda said Hi. .

I had a similar experience to yours both at Long Gun and Shark earlier in the week. Chatting up some girls when *bam* they were BFed out from under me. Annoying.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1138607]I recognise the Baccara hostess pictured, but haven't been with her yet. She wasn't there when I entered Baccara.[/QUOTE]She gained 10kg and perhaps had a nose job since this pic was taken.

[QUOTE=Luvpuss; 1138434]Went to this place a few weeks back in Washington Square. It is grundgy and dirty inside. Sat down in a booth and 2 girls sat next to me. Both ordered drinks. Within a minute, one had my dick in her mouth. She sucked for a good five minutes while the other one gave me a back rub. Then, the 2nd girl took over. She was better. She also pulled her pants down and rubber her pussy on my dick. She then went down for the finish and I blew in her mouth.

There is really no charge for the BBBJ. They charge you for the drinks and you tip.

Total with tip was 850 Baht. [/QUOTE]Please allow three questions:

1) What time of the day was it?

2) Would hou have the chance to get an uncovered full service after several minutes of BBBJ?

3) Do you recommend to visit that place if you want to do "naughty" things?

Thanks for response.

FV

the [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901][CodeWord901][/url] bj-bar is found by going down soi 8, and then turn right at the second sub-soi. lots of girls sitting outside (none are "[url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url]" btw).

i arrive there at 3 pm, inside i take a drink at the bar and they tell me the prices. 700 for bj and 1000 for fs."choose girl!" i say. a woman says: " i choose you!". still i go out to look at the girls outside again. none of them are especially attractive (in this kind of place the technique is the most important) , but i choose the one i like best. then we go upstairs and behind a curtain. i take off all my clothes (don't know if that's necessary, but.) now i sit on the couch, and the girl kneel on the floor and starts bbbj. the experience isn't exactly sensual, the girl doesn't touch more than my dick, and the way i'm sitting i can't touch her much either. and how is the technique? well, it's just the normal bj, not dt or anything special. she doesn't care with my balls either. but she keeps going at a steady space without stopping, so i come after a while (it helps to think about fs, lol.) she spits out into some tissue and dries me off with a towel. then she leaves and i relax alone. i go downstairs and pay at the bar. 700 for the bj + 75 for the coke, and then i hit the street. it's all over in not so many minutes.

this place is not very busy, but i see some customers arriving and leaving. i cannot really recommend it. if you like it fast and simple, maybe. but it's a much better idea to take an hour at an oily massage and get a bj there for 1400.

Recently enjoyed one of my best sessions ever. Akane offer a set menu, and do not offer full service, which suits me both on grounds of age and guilt. While perhaps originally catering for a mainly Japanese clientele they now have many farang customers too. They advertise massage and oral at B1560 for 1. 5 hrs, but from my experience this is akin to advertising a 12 course banquet as a bite to eat. The girl I saw (An Ri) was pretty, petite, chirpy and talented. Of course it always helps if you click with a girl, but only rarely does this happen. It did for me on this occasion.

The session started with an extended, gentle, warm water wash on a stool designed for cleaning of one's intimate areas, followed by a back massage. I was then asked to kneel on all fours for extended oral from behind and below and, after turning over, more conventionally. I was encouraged to enjoy 2 shots, which I had thought was long beyond me within the space of 40 mins without the use of chemical assistance, but not on this occasion. The room and bathroom were very clean and comfortable. Great girl, great service, cannot recommend highly enough if you are looking for something other than full service. This was at Soi 33, although Akane also have a similar place at Chitlom.

From my experience most other MPs are considerably less clean, offer and expect customers to want FS, and are then far less focussed on and skilled in the giving of pleasure. Are there other recommended similar clean, non-FS parlours in Bangkok and also HK and Singapore?

[quote=john traveller;1138686]i come after a while (it helps to think about fs, lol.)[/quote]fs is available@[url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url]. for a mere 1, 100 thb (in the curtained booth) or for 1500 thb (in a private room upstairs)

next time, don't think about fs, just ask the girl and she'll happily drop her panties for you to fuck her.

[quote=john traveller; 1138686]the [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901][CodeWord901][/url] bj-bar is found by going down soi 8, and then turn right at the second sub-soi. lots of girls sitting outside (none are "[url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url]" btw).

i arrive there at 3 pm, inside i take a drink at the bar and they tell me the prices. 700 for bj and 1000 for fs."choose girl!" i say. a woman says: " i choose you!". still i go out to look at the girls outside again. none of them are especially attractive (in this kind of place the technique is the most important) , but i choose the one i like best. then we go upstairs and behind a curtain. i take off all my clothes (don't know if that's necessary, but.) now i sit on the couch, and the girl kneel on the floor and starts bbbj. the experience isn't exactly sensual, the girl doesn't touch more than my dick, and the way i'm sitting i can't touch her much either. and how is the technique? well, it's just the normal bj, not dt or anything special. she doesn't care with my balls either. but she keeps going at a steady space without stopping, so i come after a while (it helps to think about fs, lol.) she spits out into some tissue and dries me off with a towel. then she leaves and i relax alone. i go downstairs and pay at the bar. 700 for the bj + 75 for the coke, and then i hit the street. it's all over in not so many minutes.

this place is not very busy, but i see some customers arriving and leaving. i cannot really recommend it. if you like it fast and simple, maybe. but it's a much better idea to take an hour at an oily massage and get a bj there for 1400. [/quote]hi,

if you prefer a more challenging, stimulating blow. event you should consider sol in patpong ii.

you will find no beauties but experienced technique. and the thrilling fact that you will be served in the public of the bar.

go and enjoy.

fv

[QUOTE=Luvpuss;1138434]Total with tip was 850 Baht.[/QUOTE]Heh, that's quite a few drinks at WC.

[QUOTE=FlyingVisitor;1138626]2) Would hou have the chance to get an uncovered full service after several minutes of BBBJ?[/QUOTE]They look like they've handled whole platoons uncovered. My nerve failed me.

[QUOTE=FlyingVisitor;1138626]3) Do you recommend to visit that place if you want to do "naughty" things?[/QUOTE]Especially if you're a gerontophile.

[quote=john traveller; 1138686]the [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901][CodeWord901][/url] bj-bar is found by going down soi 8, and then turn right at the second sub-soi. lots of girls sitting outside (none are "[url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url]" btw).

i arrive there at 3 pm, inside i take a drink at the bar and they tell me the prices. 700 for bj and 1000 for fs."choose girl!" i say. a woman says: " i choose you!". still i go out to look at the girls outside again. none of them are especially attractive (in this kind of place the technique is the most important) , but i choose the one i like best. then we go upstairs and behind a curtain. i take off all my clothes (don't know if that's necessary, but.) now i sit on the couch, and the girl kneel on the floor and starts bbbj. the experience isn't exactly sensual, the girl doesn't touch more than my dick, and the way i'm sitting i can't touch her much either. and how is the technique? well, it's just the normal bj, not dt or anything special. she doesn't care with my balls either. but she keeps going at a steady space without stopping, so i come after a while (it helps to think about fs, lol.) she spits out into some tissue and dries me off with a towel. then she leaves and i relax alone. i go downstairs and pay at the bar. 700 for the bj + 75 for the coke, and then i hit the street. it's all over in not so many minutes.

this place is not very busy, but i see some customers arriving and leaving. i cannot really recommend it. if you like it fast and simple, maybe. but it's a much better idea to take an hour at an oily massage and get a bj there for 1400.[/quote]i always get them to strip with fiv, ass play, tit suck.

but, you must be a cheap charlie. you didn't even leave a tip? (not even 100 baht) that is bad manners dude. don't expect much next time.

[QUOTE=FlyingVisitor; 1138626]Please allow three questions:

1) What time of the day was it?

2) Would hou have the chance to get an uncovered full service after several minutes of BBBJ?

3) Do you recommend to visit that place if you want to do "naughty" things?

Thanks for response.

FV[/QUOTE]It was the afternoon.

My experience is that BBFS is available if you want. Of course, you can really get that anywhere in Bangkok from my experience.

Pay enough and they will be as naughty as you want.

[QUOTE=Rocksoff;1138817]Heh, that's quite a few drinks at WC.[/QUOTE]Yeah. I am not a cheap Charlie like some. If I get 2 girls to suck my dick, rub my cock against their pussy, and blow in their mouth, I leave a nice tip.

agreed that star of light is much much better than [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901][CodeWord901][/url]'s.

star of light is much more raw and spontaneous. [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url] is a bit clinical for my liking.

star of light they just start blowing you as soon as you sit down. no wipe down or anything! i wouldn't want to be the girl but hey it makes for something a lot more spontaneous and raunchy in my opinion.

[quote=bowerboy; 1138987]agreed that star of light is much much better than [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901][CodeWord901][/url]'s.

star of light is much more raw and spontaneous. [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url] is a bit clinical for my liking.

star of light they just start blowing you as soon as you sit down. no wipe down or anything! i wouldn't want to be the girl but hey it makes for something a lot more spontaneous and raunchy in my opinion. [/quote]apparently not everyone agrees. different styles suit different customers.

i talked to the owner of [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url] and he believes his business model works very well. there is no hanky panky allowed downstairs at all. not really sure why. even the owner's mother was sitting there having a drink. upstairs, some customers need their privacy. sol has a problem for me in that they try to rush you. you only get sex in public for a limited time. for those who normally go to the back room at sol (which is terrible) , i think [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url] could be a better option. if at sol, i prefer to play up in the main bar area.

[QUOTE=Pita123;1138613]She gained 10kg and perhaps had a nose job since this pic was taken.[/QUOTE]I think I still would have recognised her, after last seeing her just a few weeks ago. One hostess did come up to me in the bar, that I didn't recognise. I trust it did not resemble her at all.

I reckon she was BFed already that night. I asked my Bacarra girl where all the hostesses in black were. She replied that most were BFed, and grabbing customers more skillfuly than the dancing girls.

[QUOTE=Syzygies; 1139003]I think I still would have recognised her, after last seeing her just a few weeks ago. One hostess did come up to me in the bar, that I didn't recognise. I trust it did not resemble her at all.

I reckon she was BFed already that night. I asked my Bacarra girl where all the hostesses in black were. She replied that most were BFed, and grabbing customers more skillfuly than the dancing girls. [/QUOTE]I'm sure you'd still have recognized her. The weight gain is in the past year or so.

[quote=luvpuss;1138952]yeah. i am not a cheap charlie like some. if i get 2 girls to suck my dick, rub my cock against their pussy, and blow in their mouth, i leave a nice tip.[/quote]it's easy to take two girls at [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901][CodeWord901][/url]'s?

and get them to do raunchy stuff like at sol?

at sol, a second girl showed up just seconds after the first had started her bjob on me, and she was very welcome and skilled. much better than the [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901][CodeWord901][/url] girls i tried.

but this never happened at [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901][CodeWord901][/url]'s (have been three times only!.).

do you just pick two? or pick one and let her chose her accomplice? actually i usually find it difficult to pick a single cute one, but anyway.

i know everything is possible in los, but sometimes p4p girls like to stick to protocol (like the girls at rural karaokes won't even speak to farangs. ime)

[quote=crazykf; 1139071]it's easy to take two girls at [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901][CodeWord901][/url]'s?

and get them to do raunchy stuff like at sol?

at sol, a second girl showed up just seconds after the first had started her bjob on me, and she was very welcome and skilled. much better than the [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901][CodeWord901][/url] girls i tried.

b.

i only can repeat: go to sol and you will find the best of that category.

select one girl only. the second one will follow spontaneously when you are blown by number 1.

number 2 then will stand over you and offer her pussy to lick it.

this is the moment when girl number 1 gets up from the floor and will sit on your lap to complete with full service (of course uncovered if you don't like to disturb your feelings by any interruption).

enjoy.

fv

[QUOTE=FlyingVisitor;1139090]This is the moment when girl number 1 gets up from the floor and will sit on your lap to complete with full service (of course uncovered if you don't like to disturb your feelings by any interruption).[/QUOTE]Have you tried every SOL Girl? How many times have you been to SOL?

You are making a very dangerous assumption here about a popular place (SOL) regularily offering uncovered Full Service.

I have been to SOL a whole lot of times and 100% of the times, FS was Covered.

i thought [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url] was overated, a bit like going to a london walkup.

going back to thailand in a few months i think for the first time in 5 years, looking forward to it. just considering whether to head to pattaya instead of bangkok where i normally go.

is soi cowboy still good? i prefered that to nana plaza, used to always drink in cowboy 2, i stupidily shacked up with the same girl every night. this time i'm going to spread the love.

longgun gave a good show when i was there too?

[quote=nicfrenchy; 1139150]have you tried every sol girl? how many times have you been to sol?

you are making a very dangerous assumption here about a popular place (sol) regularily offering uncovered full service.

i have been to sol a whole lot of times and 100% of the times, fs was covered. [/quote]i have ben to bkk 6 times. don't know about sol, but just about every place i have been to will bbfs.

kangeroo bar, [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901][CodeWord901][/url]'s, wash. square bars. i have been offered bbfs in all these places. in kangeroo bar, the girl pulled her skirt up and climbed on within 30 secs. of us going behind the curtain.

also, many mp's will bbfs.

from my experience, i don't doubt the dude is telling the truth.

[QUOTE=Germanboy 2; 1138327]. Started to chat with one, had a couple of drinks with her (lady drink of course) and it was really nice. When I wanted to go with her she said that this is impossible, cause she is not for take away, only for customers amusement in the bar. This happened to me at 2 different places.

Afterwards I asked in 3 other bars the mamasan in the begining, and yes, it was always the same. Girls in one uniform are not for take away, girls in another uniform are therefore. Unfortunately in my eyes the no-go-girls have been by far much more atractive. [/QUOTE]Yes, a number of bars in Cowboy (e. G. Tilac, Deja Vu) now have coyote dancers who only dance and don't go out with customers. And they are usually much better-looking (younger / classier) than the working-girls who will go with customers. These coyote girls aren't 'working girls'; just regular girls studying in college or working day jobs. I've often seen punters trying to get them to agree to barfine, but they don't. Apparently it's a rule. They're not supposed to compete with the 'working girls' who depend on barfines, etc. For a living.

But I see a couple of guys in Tilac who seem to know these coyote dancers *very* well. Not sure how they managed it. Asked one of they but they weren't saying!

[QUOTE=Jed Wordsmith;1139353]But I see a couple of guys in Tilac who seem to know these coyote dancers *very* well. Not sure how they managed it. Asked one of they but they weren't saying![/QUOTE]Some guys are just very attractive to Thai women. They, (the women), seem to have a second sense about this.

This has less to do about how a guy looks or how old he is, but about his demeanor, willingness to share (not only baht), and his overall sense of "sanuck."

These guys literally have women "wanting" to go with them! Amazing Thailand!

[QUOTE=Jed Wordsmith;1139353]Yes, a number of bars in Cowboy (e. G. Tilac, Deja Vu) now have coyote dancers who only dance and don't go out with customers. And they are usually much better-looking (younger / classier) than the working-girls who will go with customers. ![/QUOTE]Deja Vu has had coyote dancers for a long time. They are MUCH hotter than the dogs you can barfine. As for Tilac, they introduced the coyotes a few months ago (at least that's when I first saw them). Fortunately there are hot girls all over Tilac, but man, some of those Coyotes are really hot.

[QUOTE=Jed Wordsmith;1139353]But I see a couple of guys in Tilac who seem to know these coyote dancers *very* well. Not sure how they managed it. Asked one of they but they weren't saying![/QUOTE]Some Coyotes might be willing to go with customers on the sly after work finished as long as not seen. Expect to be high priced.

I mean for sure the Coyote girls will be thinking "why should they earn less money per month than the lower class bar-girls?"

[QUOTE=Fon Tok; 1139383]Some guys are just very attractive to Thai women. They, (the women) , seem to have a second sense about this.

This has less to do about how a guy looks or how old he is, but about his demeanor, willingness to share (not only baht) , and his overall sense of "sanuck."

These guys literally have women "wanting" to go with them! Amazing Thailand! [/QUOTE]Some guys, eh? I think being around for long stretches at a time has a good deal to do with getting into a relaxed enough mode for the ladies to feel safe around some guys and turn them into giks or whatever.

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[QUOTE=Mangofan;1139385]Deja Vu has had coyote dancers for a long time. They are MUCH hotter than the dogs you can barfine. As for Tilac, they introduced the coyotes a few months ago (at least that's when I first saw them). Fortunately there are hot girls all over Tilac, but man, some of those Coyotes are really hot.[/QUOTE]Been at least a year for Tilac. Regardless, once a place introduces Coyotes I typically stay away. They realize that their BFs are not attractive enough to bring in the customers. Tilac is different in that they don't seem to show any skin there. Blech!

[QUOTE=Pita123;1139511]Tilac is different in that they don't seem to show any skin there. Blech![/QUOTE]I'd take a Tilac girl not showing over the horribly enhanced boobs of the upstairs Baccara girls. Or the nasty ass tatoos of the Dollhouse girls any day of the Week

[QUOTE=Jed Wordsmith;1139353]But I see a couple of guys in Tilac who seem to know these coyote dancers *very* well. Not sure how they managed it. Asked one of they but they weren't saying![/QUOTE]

According to Stickman, Tilac apparently has a crowd of regulars that are there every night. I'd imagine you'd get to know everyone very well.

I don't find their coyotes to be too attractive myself. Don't find any of their others girls to be lookers either, to be honest, but maybe I haven't been there early enough in the night. Whenever I've been it's a bunch of real nasty looking girls with major attitude problems.

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy;1139521]I'd take a Tilac girl not showing over the horribly enhanced boobs of the upstairs Baccara girls. Or the nasty ass tatoos of the Dollhouse girls any day of the Week[/QUOTE]At least there you know what you are getting. At Tilac you won't find out about the nasty ass tattoo on her flabby tit until you get her home.

[QUOTE=Fon Tok; 1139383]Some guys are just very attractive to Thai women. They, (the women) , seem to have a second sense about this.

This has less to do about how a guy looks or how old he is, but about his demeanor, willingness to share (not only baht) , and his overall sense of "sanuck."

These guys literally have women "wanting" to go with them! Amazing Thailand! [/QUOTE]Yes It's a cross I have to bare LOL.

I have read some reports about cheap freelancers here and there, which are mainly dedicated to the local crowd and girls won't speak English, etc. However, what about the usual touristy spots such as near Nana hotel? Is it worth looking for hot chicks there? I remember a friend of mine once got a fairly hot chick just next to the entrance of NEP on the Nana Hotel side and she even let him do her up the ass. Is it a good place to look for freelancers and are there any other nearby spots (I. E. Around Sukhumvit) to look for freelancers on the streets once I'll have enough of Soi Cowboy, Nep and massage places I am going to try?

I well understand that perhaps it would be better to stick to traditional 'reliable' places where I know what to expect and not look for adventures on the street. But I just thought it would be a good idea to try everything since I'll be spending at least one week in Sukhumvit. And picking a girl directly from the street DOES turn me on in a way (not sure if this a perversion though). :)

[QUOTE=Der Tourist; 1139740]I have read some reports about cheap freelancers here and there, which are mainly dedicated to the local crowd and girls won't speak English, etc.[/QUOTE]Is there really no info on this topic in Der Forum? Walking from soi cowboy to the ramchit hotel after dark you can't spit without hitting a hooker.

[QUOTE=Der Tourist;1139740]Is it a good place to look for freelancers and are there any other nearby spots (I. E. Around Sukhumvit) to look for freelancers on the streets once I'll have enough of Soi Cowboy, Nep and massage places I am going to try?[/QUOTE]The Nana Hotel parking lot (NPL) has the best (quality / quantity) selection starting after dark on Thursday thru Saturday nights. Keep your LB radar on at all times though.

SunLover

[QUOTE=Der Tourist; 1139740]I have read some reports about cheap freelancers here and there, which are mainly dedicated to the local crowd and girls won't speak English, etc. However, what about the usual touristy spots such as near Nana hotel? Is it worth looking for hot chicks there? I remember a friend of mine once got a fairly hot chick just next to the entrance of NEP on the Nana Hotel side and she even let him do her up the ass. Is it a good place to look for freelancers and are there any other nearby spots (I. E. Around Sukhumvit) to look for freelancers on the streets once I'll have enough of Soi Cowboy, Nep and massage places I am going to try?

I well understand that perhaps it would be better to stick to traditional 'reliable' places where I know what to expect and not look for adventures on the street. But I just thought it would be a good idea to try everything since I'll be spending at least one week in Sukhumvit. And picking a girl directly from the street DOES turn me on in a way (not sure if this a perversion though). . [/QUOTE]Between Sukhumvit Soi 3 and 5 there are many FL's on the sidewalk most of the day. Many more at night.

Your friend picked up a FL right in front of the Nana Hotel. There are many of them on the sidewalk, especially in the evening.

It seems like a lot of dudes bad mouth the quality, but I have found some pretty decent girls in both these locations.

I have never paid more than 1000 bht. for ST. That is for full GFE for at least 1 1/2 hrs.

Also, there several ST hotels in the area for 300 bht. Just ask the girl.

Also, there are many FL's at Biergarten and several other bars. Or, just walk up and down Sukhumvit and you will see them wondering around.

[QUOTE=Der Tourist;1139740]I have read some reports about cheap freelancers here and there, which are mainly dedicated to the local crowd and girls won't speak English, etc. However, what about the usual touristy spots such as near Nana hotel? Is it worth looking for hot chicks there?...[/QUOTE]Yes, some gems can be found at night for instance on the Nana Hotel parking lot, near Robinson department store (between Soi 19 and Soi 15) , in front of and inside Thermae (between Soi 13 and Soi 15) , etc. Thermae is very Japanese-oriented nowadays, but a non-Japanese can still score there anyway. Biergarten (or Beer Garden) on Soi 7 is a renowned pick-up joint for freelancers (even in daytime) , as well as Gulliver's Tavern on Soi 5. Most of the girls that you notice waiting and making eye-contact during nighttime in the street between Asoke BTS Station and Nana Entertainment Plaza are freelancers. Many of them are not very attractive, but some really are. Going rate: 1000 baht ST per provider (sometimes, it's even cheaper than that, especially if you find two or three friends who are willing to go to your room for a threesome or a foursome, for instance) , and 1500-2000 baht LT. Very often, anal is on the menu even at this reasonable price.

[QUOTE=Luvpuss; 1139786]Between Sukhumvit Soi 3 and 5 there are many FL's on the sidewalk most of the day. Many more at night.

Your friend picked up a FL right in front of the Nana Hotel. There are many of them on the sidewalk, especially in the evening.

It seems like a lot of dudes bad mouth the quality, but I have found some pretty decent girls in both these locations.

I have never paid more than 1000 bht. For ST. That is for full GFE for at least 1 1/2 hrs.

Also, there several ST hotels in the area for 300 bht. Just ask the girl.

Also, there are many FL's at Biergarten and several other bars. Or, just walk up and down Sukhumvit and you will see them wondering around. [/QUOTE]Thanks for an advice, Luvpuss. I will pay some attention to looking at the sidewalk girls instead of just rushing to my destination. One thing which slightly (well, perhaps not so slightly in fact) annoys and embarrasses me is the picking process. I really like to have a very good look into what I'm taking and while in a go-go bar it's easy and discrete, on a street I may be akward and make me feel like an idiot. Or is it ok in such a place? I'm just not sure how best to act in such a situation because I know once I stop over to have a look they start "attacking" you and try to get the attention (including all fat and ugly ones).

Also, I wonder why those girls (and some of them ARE pretty and hot) would work on a street but not in a go-go or massage parlor? Before I used to think that some of them may be carrying some STDs which is the reason they may be unwelcome in such establishments. But I guess I might have been wrong. But still what is the reason for them to work on the street? Is it more profitable or efficient for them?

[QUOTE=Der Tourist;1139799]... Also, I wonder why those girls (and some of them ARE pretty and hot) would work on a street but not in a go-go or massage parlor? Before I used to think that some of them may be carrying some STDs which is the reason they may be unwelcome in such establishments. But I guess I might have been wrong. But still what is the reason for them to work on the street? Is it more profitable or efficient for them?[/QUOTE]

This has been discussed numerous times by several members, so, I will just quote Daddy07 from an earlier report in the "Pattaya Reports" thread:

[QUOTE=Daddy07;957051]
... There are loads of reasons why many cute girls don't want to work at a bar. They don't want a job requiring their presense in one spot 8 hours a day 6 or 7 days a week, and be docked pay for not showing up.

They don't want to be docked pay just because they didn't meet their quota of lady drinks and bar fines for that month.

They might have another day job or go to school so they only want to "work" part time and when they feel like it.

They might have a baby to take care of so can only "work" sporadically.

They might need only enough money to pay the rent, so they "work" only when the rent is due...[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Der Tourist;1139799]... One thing which slightly (well, perhaps not so slightly in fact) annoys and embarrasses me is the picking process. I really like to have a very good look into what I'm taking and while in a go-go bar it's easy and discrete, on a street I may be akward and make me feel like an idiot. Or is it ok in such a place? I'm just not sure how best to act in such a situation because I know once I stop over to have a look they start "attacking" you and try to get the attention (including all fat and ugly ones)...[/QUOTE]
With street walkers, of course, you won't be allowed to "check the goods" as well as in a go-go bar, but usually, these SWs are not as "aggressive" (in the commercial sense) as the go-go girls often are. The SWs are often more relaxed and you can quietly and discreetly discuss many specifics (services provided, etc.) with them and they won't be too insistent to go with you if you decide to not taking them even after speaking a few minutes with them. Frankly, most freelancers are very gentle and accommodating and you should not worry too much, provided that you act with a minimum of common sense, of course.

[QUOTE=Der Tourist;1139799]Also, I wonder why those girls (and some of them ARE pretty and hot) would work on a street but not in a go-go or massage parlor? Before I used to think that some of them may be carrying some STDs which is the reason they may be unwelcome in such establishments. But I guess I might have been wrong. But still what is the reason for them to work on the street? Is it more profitable or efficient for them?[/QUOTE]The FLs who stand on the street tend to be a bit rough looking and trashy for my tastes. The ones working in the discos and places like Gulliver's, Biergarten, etc tend to be a step up.

[QUOTE=Fon Tok; 1139383]Some guys are just very attractive to Thai women. They, (the women) , seem to have a second sense about this.

This has less to do about how a guy looks or how old he is, but about his demeanor, willingness to share (not only baht) , and his overall sense of "sanuck."

These guys literally have women "wanting" to go with them! Amazing Thailand! [/QUOTE]I really like that Mini-Cooper!

Just last night I was coming from the ATM, getting some cash for a quickie on Soi 6, off Sukhumvit / Siam Country as I was exiting the lot a girl on a new Fino with her boyfriend on the back? Stopped right in front of me and she was screaming in Thai for the " Fucker to get the hell off her bike " like a Thai he jumped off never said a word and pull out his phone to most likely call for a ride " I smiled at the excitement and look at him? Now I'm no spring chicken and have no hair and have come to terms with reality and inside I was saying to myself this guy is ugly and stupid looking and the girl was young and hot as I smiled at her at the light on Pattaya Klang. Aside from her bad temper I also wonder what this kid did to her? Most likely two time her but the way he look he should have consider it a miracle that he could land a looker like her?

Der Tourist, one major reason is the flexibilty not to be on contract to the employer to show up for work. That is the life of a Freelancer.

LBM

Since the discussion has transitioned to freelancers, I'll give my 2 satang. I know people who only go with freelancers. For the price, they really can't be beat. But protect yourself. I would advise wearing a condom even for BBBJ. Most freelancers, in my experience, are just doing it part time to earn a bit of cash. Some are office workers, bank tellers, etc. During the daytime and just want some extra money to pad their low salary. A few probably have stds but as long as you always protect yourself you should be fine.

Outside the Nana hotel is the best place to find them, but honestly they are riddled all along lower Sukhumvit. Late in the evening I can usually bargain them down to 700 baht and then 300 baht for the short time room. It's a good deal for both parties because they can get in and out quite quickly. If you want to take them back to your hotel, then 1000 baht is the norm. Most are a bit rough, but I have found some absolute gems in the market. Compared to the go-gos where you're going to pay 2, 000 baht ST + 600 baht barfine + 300 baht for drinks + 300 baht for short time room, the freelancer market is a bargain.

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy;1139521]I'd take a Tilac girl not showing over the horribly enhanced boobs of the upstairs Baccara girls. Or the nasty ass tatoos of the Dollhouse girls any day of the Week[/QUOTE]While Boob jobs and tatoos are common at many venues, its emotive over-generalisation. Both these venues have more natural girls as well. Strangely some guys like big silicones, but I will still happily go to Baccara to pick an unenhanced girl with no tatoos, and doesn't smoke as well. Have been to Tilac a couple of times, but was bored quite quickly each time. Yet to see what is good about Tilac. Didn't spot an exciting girl, to my taste.
P.S. I prefer girls to wear as little as possible so I can see exactly what I am getting. No suprises!

[QUOTE=Der Tourist; 1139799]Thanks for an advice, Luvpuss. I will pay some attention to looking at the sidewalk girls instead of just rushing to my destination. One thing which slightly (well, perhaps not so slightly in fact) annoys and embarrasses me is the picking process. I really like to have a very good look into what I'm taking and while in a go-go bar it's easy and discrete, on a street I may be akward and make me feel like an idiot. Or is it ok in such a place? I'm just not sure how best to act in such a situation because I know once I stop over to have a look they start "attacking" you and try to get the attention (including all fat and ugly ones).

Also, I wonder why those girls (and some of them ARE pretty and hot) would work on a street but not in a go-go or massage parlor? Before I used to think that some of them may be carrying some STDs which is the reason they may be unwelcome in such establishments. But I guess I might have been wrong. But still what is the reason for them to work on the street? Is it more profitable or efficient for them? [/QUOTE]How experienced are you in telling the difference between a woman and a man dressed as one or a woman formerly a man? It's pretty easy to be fooled, even experienced mongers have problems there. I get a little nervous when I see a hot looking woman acting fairly aggressively on the street. In front of Nana Plaza and the hotel and all along Sukhumvit, there is a lot of deception in regards to what you're looking at so try to learn about spotting such people. Not trying to scare you, but it's kind of hard to tell. I've been shocked by a long time monger friend of mine, who couldn't tell that was going on with a person in front of us. I didn't know at first myself but figured it out later as my spider senses started tingling.

In regards to picking up freelancers. I've kind of stayed away from the streets and seem to look more for them in discos and sometimes Gulliver and used to go to Beergarden. It's hard to hear and converse in the discos though. In regards to being able to see them in agogo bars, well yeah, you can see them and their bodies, but the lighting and other things are somewhat deceptive like makeup and supportive bras. What you might get after they change and get in natural light sometimes isn't as good as the fantasy under the florescent lighting in the bars.

[QUOTE=Key Master;1139901]How experienced are you in telling the difference between a woman and a man dressed as one or a woman formerly a man? It's pretty easy to be fooled, even experienced mongers have problems there. I get a little nervous when I see a hot looking woman acting fairly aggressively on the street. In front of Nana Plaza and the hotel and all along Sukhumvit, there is a lot of deception in regards to what you're looking at so try to learn about spotting such people. ................[/QUOTE]It never ceases to amaze me about all these people who are scared of picking up an LB. I never had a problem. When I am not sure, I Just ask. And they will tell you upfront. And if you are too shy to ask them, you deserve picking one up.

[QUOTE=Duniawala;1140023]It never ceases to amaze me about all these people who are scared of picking up an LB. I never had a problem. When I am not sure, I Just ask. And they will tell you upfront. And if you are too shy to ask them, you deserve picking one up.[/QUOTE]I must admit I AM scared of ladyboys. I guess I won't be as paranoid as before but I always have that "what if she's a LB?" thought. Anyway there is a positive side to it. If it happens that I'll take one to a hotel, at least I'll have a funny story to tell to everyone. .

[QUOTE=Der Tourist; 1139799]I really like to have a very good look on a street I may be akward and make me feel like an idiot. Or is it ok in such a place? I'm just not sure how best to act in such a situation because I know once I stop over to have a look they start "attacking" you and try to get the attention (including all fat and ugly ones).

? [/QUOTE]Just go and DO IT. After Thermae closes, tons of them are sitting out at the tables, having a drink or snack and relaxing. It doesn't get any more natural than just talking to a woman that interests you. If you're that afaid of getting "attacked" then nothing can help you.

[QUOTE=Golfinho;1140096]Just go and DO IT. After Thermae closes, tons of them are sitting out at the tables, having a drink or snack and relaxing. It doesn't get any more natural than just talking to a woman that interests you. If you're that afaid of getting "attacked" then nothing can help you.[/QUOTE]I will have to overcome it. If I won't do it in Bangkok then I guess I am completely hopeless. .

Anyway, I was wondering what is the best time to go there? Nep and Cowboy start at 8-9 ish while 10pm is the peak before hot girls start "disappearing" with customers. What is the "opening" time for freelancers in front of Nana Hotel and what is the "peak" time? I am not a late person and would definitely want to find my girl before midnight so that I can go to bed on time and not sleep all day the next day.

[QUOTE=Der Tourist;1140094]I must admit I AM scared of ladyboys. I guess I won't be as paranoid as before but I always have that "what if she's a LB?" thought. Anyway there is a positive side to it. If it happens that I'll take one to a hotel, at least I'll have a funny story to tell to everyone. .[/QUOTE]Why are you scared?

Most of the ones I have met will usually tell you if they are LB. Ask them.

I have spoken with dozens of LB. They actually are some of the funniest / friendliest people I have met in Thailand. They are human beings. Just treat them as such and you should not have a problem.

[QUOTE=Luvpuss; 1140124]Why are you scared?

Most of the ones I have met will usually tell you if they are LB. Ask them.

I have spoken with dozens of LB. They actually are some of the funniest / friendliest people I have met in Thailand. They are human beings. Just treat them as such and you should not have a problem. [/QUOTE]LOL, I don't mistreat LBs. Actually I even kissed one to a cheek once (and so he did to me) just for fun. I have absolutely no problem with them as they are just as much humans to me as anyone else. I am also a moral supporter of the LBGT movements and cannot stand homophobes and the likes. However when it comes to bed and having sex it is a whole different story. Just like I could not stand an idea of going to bed with another male, I could not stand an idea of doing the same with ladyboy. Just that, nothing more nothing less.

Anyway I will take the advice and will simply ask if I will have any doubts.

[QUOTE=Der Tourist;1140119]Anyway, I was wondering what is the best time to go there? Nep and Cowboy start at 8-9 ish while 10pm is the peak before hot girls start "disappearing" with customers. What is the "opening" time for freelancers in front of Nana Hotel and what is the "peak" time? I am not a late person and would definitely want to find my girl before midnight so that I can go to bed on time and not sleep all day the next day.[/QUOTE]I was there yesterday around 7pm and there were about 5 of them loitering around; 3 of them were definitely doable. I'd say 10-12 am is peak time, although you'll see freelancers out there all hours, sometimes after 3 am even.

It's not like it used to be. I remember at 2 am the bars would empty and Nana carpark and the sidewalks would be flooded with bargirls; you could pick up that go-go girl you had your eye on for 1, 000 baht with no barfine, but I believe those days are over.

[QUOTE=Mangofan;1140148]It's not like it used to be. I remember at 2 am the bars would empty and Nana carpark and the sidewalks would be flooded with bargirls; you could pick up that go-go girl you had your eye on for 1, 000 baht with no barfine, but I believe those days are over.[/QUOTE]I wonder if it ever was like that, because the Go-Go owners are not going to like their girls to Freelance and cut them out of the BF, maybe they "might" go to Climax etc but not just across the street.

BK

[QUOTE=Evianist; 1055559]After living here for 8 months, this is what has changed for me:

-Bargirls are only for sex. I'm a lot less inclined to give them my number or see them regularly than I was when I first got here. I don't even like to take them back to my condo anymore. It's not looked upon well by your neighbors.

-Gogos are now only an occasional pleasure. Once you know each one well enough that you know the best place to sit and where the bathroom is located, you feel less inclined to visit more than every week or two.

-Massage parlors are more functional when you just want to get laid. Less trouble, less attitude, nice and easy.

-There is a lot of free stuff to be had. Particularly if you are under 40 and reasonably personable. And sometimes it's very nice to not have to pay. Until you get a few girls with emotional issues, at which point you want to pay again.

-Finding a good girlfriend is not easy. Especially if you want one who already speaks decent English, she's obviously another (or many) farang's throwaway. Most will have major trust issues. Not that it was easy to find a good lady back home, but it's no easier here.

-I get anxious and homesick when I leave Thailand for more than a week, even if it's only to a nearby country. I don't get homesick for the west, but I do for Thailand. When I get back I feel much better.

-Having sex with thai girls is still wonderful. I don't expect this will change. [/QUOTE]Update at 15 months:

-I avoid dating Isaan girls. They're always a problem. All smiles and open legs at first, and then the demands come. I've never had a problem with non-Isaan girls.

-In regards to day-to-day convenience, having a thai girl live or travel with you is extremely helpful. But you have to make sure you're getting a fair deal. They'll run you dry if you let them.

-However, they'll let you fuck around a bit, as long as you're respectful and discreet. Thai girls are more inclined to let men act like men, as opposed to the West where women prefer eunuchs.

-I've only brought one bargirl back to my place in the past 6 months. I picked her up at her apartment and took her directly to my condo just to hang out for the night, and yet she still insisted on wearing high heels and slutty clothes so that anyone looking at her would know she's a bargirl in under 3 seconds. It's best to keep them away from where you live.

-Rarely get out to gogo bars now. Miss those days. But don't miss how much money I was blowing. Drink + Ladydrink + Barfine + ST / LT rate + tip, with a spoiled princess attitude thrown in? Fuck that. There are other options.

-Hanging out in Thai areas is more interesting to me. Trying thai sex joints is too. I can't deal with being around tourists. They act like *******es, spoil women for no reason and throw money around.

-Occasionally I want to sleep with a white girl. It's been a long time. They almost seem exotic. But I'm sure I would hate it if I did it.

-When I talk to people back home, I can't understand how their minds work anymore. They seem clueless, and obsessed with things that are completely inane. I don't understand why they don't leave their seemingly miserable lives and come here.

- It can be easy to have endless sex and not do much else with your time. I try to cut back on it. Coming from the west it's hard to say no, especially to the free stuff, but it's necessary as it can burn you out after a while.

-Still don't like to leave Thailand. This place has a weird hold on me.

[QUOTE=Evianist;1140316]... I avoid dating Isaan girls. They're always a problem. All smiles and open legs at first, and then the demands come. I've never had a problem with non-Isaan girls...[/QUOTE]
The problem is not from where (location) the girl comes from, but mostly from which social environment (class in the societal hierarchy). A middle-class Isaan girl would act very differently than a girl coming from a poor farmer family, for instance (as explained [url="http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?1031-Hatyai-Reports&p=1112624&viewfull=1#post1112624"]here[/url]). Many middle-class Isaan girls are quite decent companions.

[QUOTE=Goyave; 1140319]The problem is not from where (location) the girl comes from, but mostly from which social environment (class in the societal hierarchy). A middle-class Isaan girl would act very differently than a girl coming from a poor farmer family, for instance (as explained.

[url="http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?1031-Hatyai-Reports&p=1112624&viewfull=1#post1112624"]here[/url]

). Many middle-class Isaan girls are quite decent companions. [/QUOTE]Yes agreed. But given that Isaan is the poorest area of the country other than the hill tribes of the north, the majority of Isaan girls aren't from middle class families. They're from poor families and have parents who constantly demand money and want them to find a dumb rich farang. Dating them is thus unpleasant.

Avoiding them is just a shortcut. If I met one who was obviously well-raised and had a decent job, I would date her.

[QUOTE=Evianist; 1140316]When I talk to people back home, I can't understand how their minds work anymore. They seem clueless, and obsessed with things that are completely inane.

- It can be easy to have endless sex and not do much else with your time. [/QUOTE]I had to laugh. :)

[QUOTE=BKK Dreaming; 1140152]I wonder if it ever was like that, because the Go-Go owners are not going to like their girls to Freelance and cut them out of the BF, maybe they "might" go to Climax etc but not just across the street.

BK[/QUOTE]Yes It was like that. Couple of years ago when all the bars closed at 1am, you could wait outside by the Nana parking lot and there were loads of bargirls loitering waiting for one last customer, the bars owners have no say, as the BiB shut all the bars.

[QUOTE=Mouse1;1140393]I had to laugh. :)[/QUOTE]Same here. Ahaha. Though I also see Evianist's point.

[QUOTE=Jerboa;1140398]Yes It was like that. Couple of years ago when all the bars closed at 1am, you could wait outside by the Nana parking lot and there were loads of bargirls loitering waiting for one last customer, the bars owners have no say, as the BiB shut all the bars.[/QUOTE]What happens now when the bars close? The girls don't head out to the parking out lot anymore?

[QUOTE=Pro Fesseur;1139790]Yes, some gems can be found at night for instance on the Nana Hotel parking lot, near Robinson department store (between Soi 19 and Soi 15) , in front of and inside Thermae (between Soi 13 and Soi 15) , etc. Thermae is very Japanese-oriented nowadays, but a non-Japanese can still score there anyway. Biergarten (or Beer Garden) on Soi 7 is a renowned pick-up joint for freelancers (even in daytime) , as well as Gulliver's Tavern on Soi 5. Most of the girls that you notice waiting and making eye-contact during nighttime in the street between Asoke BTS Station and Nana Entertainment Plaza are freelancers. Many of them are not very attractive, but some really are. Going rate: 1000 baht ST per provider (sometimes, it's even cheaper than that, especially if you find two or three friends who are willing to go to your room for a threesome or a foursome, for instance) , and 1500-2000 baht LT. Very often, anal is on the menu even at this reasonable price.[/QUOTE]I would not be too optimistic about quality, and I get the feeling it's been declining over the years. There are a few gems but you need to be lucky. Sometimes there are a few at Nana parking lot (be careful, the most beautiful ones are ladyboys). I had a few great picks in Beer Garden some time ago but during the last two years I found nothing worth there (and rather old). Thermae has very pretty girls but the real pretty only go with Japanese and will not even look at you if you are farang. You can score there as a farang but only with the less pretty girls (who will probably expect a high price because it's Thermae). In discos and disco pubs, it's fun, but difficult to find a girl who is under 28 and has no child.

So it depends how picky you are. For 1000 ST no barfine no lady drink it's a good deal. And as mentioned the girls are usually very friendly. Personnaly, when I have enough money, I tend to use more expensive but higher quality options.

[QUOTE=El Frances; 1140702]I would not be too optimistic about quality, and I get the feeling it's been declining over the years. There are a few gems but you need to be lucky. Sometimes there are a few at Nana parking lot (be careful, the most beautiful ones are ladyboys). I had a few great picks in Beer Garden some time ago but during the last two years I found nothing worth there (and rather old). Thermae has very pretty girls but the real pretty only go with Japanese and will not even look at you if you are farang. You can score there as a farang but only with the less pretty girls (who will probably expect a high price because it's Thermae). In discos and disco pubs, it's fun, but difficult to find a girl who is under 28 and has no child.

So it depends how picky you are. For 1000 ST no barfine no lady drink it's a good deal. And as mentioned the girls are usually very friendly. Personnaly, when I have enough money, I tend to use more expensive but higher quality options. [/QUOTE]Judging by the pics posted, I would say there are many pretty girls at all the venues. .

[QUOTE=Duniawala;1140711]Judging by the pics posted, I would say there are many pretty girls at all the venues. .[/QUOTE]Your smiley wink went missing due to the automated forum softwhere to fix punctuation (or fuck it up).
The double dot at the end of your post shows you tried to put a smilie and was overridden.
You can however, edit your report after and put the wink back in like this: ;)

I was in Baccara and noticed the waitress speaking to 2 asian guys behind me in Thai. They answered in flawless Thai with no apparent accent as though they were born to it. Normally I can detect Thai with an accent spoken by Koreans and Japanese ("mai chat"). These two were just so perfect they really seemed like Thai although not particularly dark skinned.

There eyes were not real slanty like Chinese / Japanese. My Baccara girl later confirmed that they don't have Thai customers, so I suppose they could have been Korean or similar but rasied here since quite young. I was itching to ask them but thought I better mind my own business just a little. They had called over one of the not so pretty upstairs girls, so this struck me as not so Thai behaviour. I suppose its more likely they were from somewhere else but just spent many years here.

Of course my downstairs girl was way better, with looks a little like Katreeya English (I don't now how to spell that TV star name).

[QUOTE=Duniawala;1140711]Judging by the pics posted, I would say there are many pretty girls at all the venues. .[/QUOTE]
I just had a quick look at some pictures that you posted in the photo gallery, Duniawala.

For instance, those:
[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=3252[/url]
[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=5831[/url]
[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=3246[/url]
[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=3243[/url]

I don't want to offend you, mate, but you may very easily find girls that are much prettier (IMHO) than these women in all those venues mentioned earlier by Pro Fesseur. But it's just a matter of personal taste, I suppose.

[QUOTE]For instance, those:

[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=3252[/url]

[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=5831[/url]

[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=3246[/url]

[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=3243[/url][/QUOTE]

Jesus. Just...why?

[QUOTE=Kogal_Lover;1140501]What happens now when the bars close? The girls don't head out to the parking out lot anymore?[/QUOTE]Most of the Nana Plaza go-go bars close around 2 AM.

Several years ago, real girls use to hang outside of Nana Plaza after closing (some were freelancers, some were there after work from Nana). It was a neat scene. But now the street outside of Nana Plaza is full of ladyboys before and after closing. Not too many real girls hang around there; it is mostly ladyboys.

If you are not bi-sexual or gay, the ladyboys ruined the scene outside of Nana Plaza.

After closing between 2AM to 3AM, there seems to be a steady stream of girls walking out of Nana Plaza to Sukhumvit (probably to go eat or go home). You probably can pick them up at that time / location.

[QUOTE=Kogal_Lover;1140501]What happens now when the bars close? The girls don't head out to the parking out lot anymore?[/QUOTE]They are still around.

Some hang out "in" the carpark, as opposed to in front of the carpark (and Nana) and as mentioned, you will need to fight your way through LB's.

Some go into Nana Liquid, or up to Climax and Insomnia.

Others eat along the many stalls on Suk between Soi 3. 15.

[QUOTE=Syzygies; 1140731]I was in Baccara and noticed the waitress speaking to 2 asian guys behind me in Thai. They answered in flawless Thai with no apparent accent as though they were born to it. Normally I can detect Thai with an accent spoken by Koreans and Japanese ("mai chat"). These two were just so perfect they really seemed like Thai although not particularly dark skinned.

There eyes were not real slanty like Chinese / Japanese. My Baccara girl later confirmed that they don't have Thai customers, so I suppose they could have been Korean or similar but rasied here since quite young. I was itching to ask them but thought I better mind my own business just a little. They had called over one of the not so pretty upstairs girls, so this struck me as not so Thai behaviour. I suppose its more likely they were from somewhere else but just spent many years here.

Of course my downstairs girl was way better, with looks a little like Katreeya English (I don't now how to spell that TV star name). [/QUOTE]Sorry Can't help myself?

IT was probably a good idea that you didn't scratch that itch and mind your own business just a little since you might have slipped and ask them " Hey you speak great Thai are you Korean since your eyes aren't slanty like a Chinese or Japanese " Plus I don't think a particular person or race has a patent on picking not too pretty looking women.

Stay open and focus on the pussy and don't sterotype or generalise so much.

Enjoy yourself? LBM

Hello, Fellow Punters:

I have asked this question on the Pattaya board and did not get an answer so I thought I might try here. I was wondering if any of our more seasoned campaigners have heard of or know where one might find a mother / daughter team. Of appropriate age of course say the daughter is 20 something and the mother is 40 something? This has been something of a fantasy of mine and was interested in trying this the next time I am in the LOS.

Thanks,

JohnnieBravo

Here is a thread about "gang bang parties" organized by clubs in Germany; 10-15 guys can have an all-you-can-fuck session for a few hours with 5 or 6 girls : [url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?3195-Gangbang-Clubs[/url]

Is this kind of fun available in BKK (other than negotiating and arranging everything by yourself with friends, that is)?

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan; 1140869]Sorry Can't help myself?

IT was probably a good idea that you didn't scratch that itch and mind your own business just a little since you might have slipped and ask them " Hey you speak great Thai are you Korean since your eyes aren't slanty like a Chinese or Japanese " Plus I don't think a particular person or race has a patent on picking not too pretty looking women.

Stay open and focus on the pussy and don't sterotype or generalise so much.

Enjoy yourself? LBM[/QUOTE]Amusing. Sorry for my poor ability to describe appearance of different Asians. I have nothing against any of them having a good time a Baccara. It was merely my surprise at seeing what appeared to be Thai customers. BTW I prefer Asian girls, Thai or Japanese, less so Chinese, depending on face shape.

[QUOTE=Chill Out; 1140900]Here is a thread about "gang bang parties" organized by clubs in Germany; 10-15 guys can have an all-you-can-fuck session for a few hours with 5 or 6 girls :

[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?3195-Gangbang-Clubs[/url]

Is this kind of fun available in BKK (other than negotiating and arranging everything by yourself with friends, that is)? [/QUOTE]I've been to these German parties myself, and no afaik you won't find anything like this In BKK, the BiB just wouldn't allow clubs like this to operate.

[QUOTE=JohnnieBravo; 1140887]Hello, Fellow Punters:

I have asked this question on the Pattaya board and did not get an answer so I thought I might try here. I was wondering if any of our more seasoned campaigners have heard of or know where one might find a mother / daughter team. Of appropriate age of course say the daughter is 20 something and the mother is 40 something? This has been something of a fantasy of mine and was interested in trying this the next time I am in the LOS.

Thanks,

JohnnieBravo[/QUOTE]Look for it with ernest and conviction in Pattaya, and you will find it.

I know it exists on Soi 6. Just ask the girls. They've heard everything.

[QUOTE=Jerboa;1140912]I've been to these German parties myself, and no afaik you won't find anything like this In BKK, the BiB just wouldn't allow clubs like this to operate.[/QUOTE]Chill Out,

In Thailand, you arrange your own parties. I have partied with 3 girls without any other guys needed, but I have certainly heard of groups of mates organising bigger parties than this. Probably you may find that Thai girls don't have quite the stamina of East European girls working in Party-Treff that can do marathon fucking. That's why in the Thai parties you should have more girls than guys, ideally. Pick up a group of girls from Suzi-Wong in Soi Cowboy that do the lesbian shows or similar sexy shows.

I assume that part of your thrill is to watch others fucking and be watched. You might try the "Star of Light" bar in Patpong 2 where fucking in the public bar area (not in private) is quite possible, however extended time fucking is difficult unless you keep paying more money.

[QUOTE=El Frances; 1140702]I would not be too optimistic about quality, and I get the feeling it's been declining over the years. There are a few gems but you need to be lucky. Sometimes there are a few at Nana parking lot (be careful, the most beautiful ones are ladyboys). I had a few great picks in Beer Garden some time ago but during the last two years I found nothing worth there (and rather old). Thermae has very pretty girls but the real pretty only go with Japanese and will not even look at you if you are farang. You can score there as a farang but only with the less pretty girls (who will probably expect a high price because it's Thermae). In discos and disco pubs, it's fun, but difficult to find a girl who is under 28 and has no child.

So it depends how picky you are. For 1000 ST no barfine no lady drink it's a good deal. And as mentioned the girls are usually very friendly. Personnaly, when I have enough money, I tend to use more expensive but higher quality options.[/QUOTE]I agree with most of what you wrote, El Frances. I never said that those gems were numerous nowadays, but they do exist. One has to be patient, maybe a bit lucky too, and it's worth visiting certain places several times and at different hours.

For instance, I visited the Biergarten a few months ago at 1pm. At that time of the day, only 8 or 9 girls were available there, most of them in their late twenties, early or mid-thirties and not very attractive. But among them, I found a rather cute 23-year-old (IMHO, her body deserves an 8. 5 out of 10 and her face a 7. 5 out of 10) , who agreed to spend some quality time with me at a ST hotel nearby for 1000 baht (+300 baht for the room) , and she was a rather decent performer (although, no anal sex with her). I found a 25-year-old 3-holer (for 1000 baht ST) later that day near Robinson (not a stunner, but a good 7/10 for her looks and 9/10 for her performance). Another day, I've been lucky too in front of Thermae and ended up with a very pretty 21-year-old girl for only 1200 baht ST (after a short haggling) including anal! I must say that her skin was a bit darker than what Asians usually prefer (so, that might explain my good luck?) , but she was a solid 8. 5/10 (at least, in my eyes).

[QUOTE=Duniawala;1140711]Judging by the pics posted, I would say there are many pretty girls at all the venues. .[/QUOTE]I said in my previous report that many of them are not very attractive, but some really are. During nighttime, if you are not lazy to walk a bit on Sukhumvit road and visit the above mentioned establishments, you will see many freelancers in a rather short time. Even if a rather high percentage of them are unattractive, you should eventually find at least one girl that is really pretty (and willing to go with you for a reasonable fee), usually in less than one hour (much more quickly if your standards are lower than mine).

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1140983]In Thailand, you arrange your own parties.[/QUOTE]I assumed so. Not living here permanently, I don't have enough friends at this point in the LOS to do it though. Maybe in the future.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1140983]You might try the "Star of Light" bar in Patpong 2[/QUOTE]I'll probably try SOL just for the hell of it since it's an institution in BKK; but with what I hear about how the girls look there, I doubt I'll be into it very much.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1140907]Amusing. Sorry for my poor ability to describe appearance of different Asians. I have nothing against any of them having a good time a Baccara. It was merely my surprise at seeing what appeared to be Thai customers. BTW I prefer Asian girls, Thai or Japanese, less so Chinese, depending on face shape.[/QUOTE]Good answer! I know we all look the same? I feel the same way about white folks I remember them by how big and fat they are?

Just last week at Baccara (Pattaya), one of the girls that ask you to buy ping pongs have ask me many times and most likely remember me since each request I politely say in Thai no thanks. This time she continue the conversation in Thai and ask me if I was Thai? Most likely because she was thinking I was cheap never buying any. I responded in Thai that I wasn't and that I was from the USA and Chinese American. She smiled and walked away I was thinking now I'm a C.C.?

LBM

I checked out Billboard, the new place in Nana where Carousel used to be.

It's the same design inside, except they installed a jacuzzi next to the back stage.

The owner is the guy who runs Angel Witch.

The girls were unattractive. I might have seen one or two who were possibly OK. Definitely the worst looking group of girls in Nana.

Nana was pretty quiet tonight. Looks like the high season is definitely over. Good riddance.

[QUOTE=Goyave; 1140768]I just had a quick look at some pictures that you posted in the photo gallery, Duniawala.

For instance, those:

[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=3252[/url]

[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=5831[/url]

[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=3246[/url]

[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=3243[/url]

I don't want to offend you, mate, but you may very easily find girls that are much prettier (IMHO) than these women in all those venues mentioned earlier by Pro Fesseur. But it's just a matter of personal taste, I suppose. [/QUOTE]Hey, no offense taken. Everyone is pretty when looking through with beer goggles (or in my case, whiskey goggles). But you got to admit, mine are in the ok category compared with what I see lately. Thanks for searching out the posts. They were quite a few years ago and brings back memories. :)

[QUOTE=Duniawala;1141141]... But you got to admit, mine are in the ok category compared with what I see lately...[/QUOTE]
Well, considering that nowadays, I prefer young (18-25 years old) slim girls with a fair skin, no stretch marks, no fake tits, no nose job, preferably no tattoos, no colored contact lenses, who have not dyed their hair and who don't dress like sluts, you might have already guessed that I very seldom find in the photo gallery girls that I would deem as attractive. But each to his own!

Think you have just described my ideal shag.

I'm in town in 3 weeks time. If you find her, don't forget to pass on the details

[QUOTE=Duniawala;1141141]mine are in the ok category[/QUOTE]I don't mean to attack you bro, but no. If you are into these chicks, more power to you. Everyone has his own fetishes and desires. But don't delude yourself that they are in the ok or mid-range category. They aren't.

[QUOTE=Chill Out;1141179]But don't delude yourself that they are in the ok or mid-range category. They aren't.[/QUOTE]Why try to apply your taste in girls to others? I know this is your personal opinion but is it enough to make it the benchmark of the Forum? I think we need to respect the fact that people here like different things, wether it be height, weight, skin color, nose, boobs.

While I also would not have chosen Duniawala's girls out of a lineup, I think it is very positive that we don't all go for the same girls. I don't even want to imagine 100 people in a bar all wanting the same girl. That would be a challenge LOL

[QUOTE=Chill Out;1141179]I don't mean to attack you bro, but no. If you are into these chicks, more power to you. Everyone has his own fetishes and desires. But don't delude yourself that they are in the ok or mid-range category. They aren't.[/QUOTE]What would you rather have a very pretty "starfish," or a modest looking woman who fucks your brains out?

In Thailand, often the best sex is with women who are not necessarily the youngest, or best looking. Sure,"eye candy" looks good, but often it cannot, or will not, perform. Some of my personal best experiences have been with older, average looking women; however, I've also had a lot of hot, sweet, young ones. Variety is nice. :)

Percentage wise, though, I think the older ladies do out perform the younger ones. Especially at some of the neighborhood massage shops in Bangkok. For lookers, though, there's plenty of young nymphos at the soapies, oilies, etc. There's not too many older ones in the go-go bars, (thankfully).

In the end, in terms of just looking at, and commenting about a photo, to each their own. If you are lucky enough to be here visiting Thailand, and the opportunity is literally in your lap and you are horny, I think most will take it.

Many of my best experiences have been with the 18-19 year olds who have only been working 2-3 weeks, don't speak much english and look over at the mamasan every few minutes for a prompt on what they should do next.

Often they're shy and don't give a blowjob and don't cum, but if you guide them they get very horny and the sex is very real. 6 months later and they'll be a polished professional and the magic is gone.

[QUOTE=Evianist;1141296]Many of my best experiences have been with the 18-19 year olds who have only been working 2-3 weeks, don't speak much english and look over at the mamasan every few minutes for a prompt on what they should do next. Often they're shy and don't give a blowjob and don't cum, but if you guide them they get very horny and the sex is very real. 6 months later and they'll be a polished professional and the magic is gone.[/QUOTE]How old are you? For some men, especially if they are over 40, women this young are, well, just too young. I have P4P girlfriends who refer to some of their customers as "grandfather."

Lust works both ways. Some guys speak of "pops" like they were downing cans of beer. For me, at least part of the time, it is more enjoyable to experience a woman's orgasm that to have one of my own. But, after thousands of "pops," maybe that is something that some older men enjoy more than younger ones? I don't remember as it's been a long time since I was young. ;)

[QUOTE=Fon Tok;1141300]How old are you? For some men, especially if they are over 40, women this young are, well, just too young. I have P4P girlfriends who refer to some of their customers as "grandfather."

Lust works both ways. Some guys speak of "pops" like they were downing cans of beer. For me, at least part of the time, it is more enjoyable to experience a woman's orgasm that to have one of my own. But, after thousands of "pops," maybe that is something that some older men enjoy more than younger ones? I don't remember as it's been a long time since I was young. ;)[/QUOTE]

I'm soon to be 30, so 18-19 year old girls still don't seem like daughters or granddaughters to me. I agree with you on older women though. I've had some wonderful nights with women in their 40s, even when I was in my mid 20s. However, I can't really justify doing P4P with a woman who's a decade older than me. I feel like they should pay me.

In regards to orgasms, yes it's great to give them too. Many young girls often just don't know how to cum yet unless you give them oral, and I'm not putting my tongue in a bargirl's business center. But they're great for GFE. Older women often cum like crazy.

I almost didn't post last time because I don't like to cause trouble. But I also don't like to see people being deluded, or to see inaccurate information in general.

First, I just think it helps to be realistic. For instance I tend to go for the hottest girls I can find, usually that means that :

* she knows her value.

* taking the price down by a lot isn't likely.

* you have to take her relatively quick before someone else does (happened to me yesterday again)

* better go early, before they are all taken.

* etc

So by knowing where your picks are on the food chain (ie being realistic) , you can take decisions and act accordingly. The opposite is also true. If you go for other kinds of girls, you could be acting differently, for example you could 'walk away' more often, use more leverage to pay less, show up late when they are worried about not finding a client, etc. Being realistic is helpful.

Second, I don't think it's fair, for forum readers who have never been to BKK and wonder if they should come, to describe these girls as "OK compared to a lot of others you see these days". It's not an accurate description of the market IMHO. A great majority of the girls available are cuter, pretty much in any venue, even in MPs that sell skills not looks.

Third, Nic, didn't I see you describe a girl as "horrendous" recently in the Photo thread? ;)

Just my 2 cents, no offense meant to anyone.

[QUOTE=Evianist;1141313]... I'm not putting my tongue in a bargirl's business center...[/QUOTE]Why not?

You put your dick there.

[QUOTE=Evianist; 1141313]In regards to orgasms. It's great to give them.

[QUOTE]you mean (to tell me) females can cum also?

Who knew?

[QUOTE=Chill Out;1141314]Third, Nic, didn't I see you describe a girl as "horrendous" recently in the Photo thread? ;)[/QUOTE]Yes, I said that LOL, but it was my opinion only.

You did not offend me, no worries, sometimes I just like to stir the pot a little.

[QUOTE=Daddy07; 1141377]Why not?

You put your dick there. [/QUOTE]

Covered in latex.

I'll do oral on a bargirl when they invent tongue condoms.

Tongue condoms? You meant that:

[url]http://std.about.com/od/prevention/ht/dentaldamhowto.htm[/url]

In the USA, some girls and SWs insist that you use one for DATY.

In my opinion, it is pitiful and degrading for someone to use one.

[QUOTE=Evianist; 1141415]Covered in latex.

I'll do oral on a bargirl when they invent tongue condoms. [/QUOTE]How about that?

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy;1141425]How about that?[/QUOTE]Looks OK as long as it's triple layered. Maybe some aluminum foil too.

wild country is an interesting place. there are only one or two younger girls in there. the rest of the women are older-30 years plus. it is very old inside no doubt and only has about six bar stools and four booths. most of the women sit at the last booth furthest from the front door. when you walk in if they don't know you they will descend on you like sharks. they want you to buy them drinks which i think are 80 baht a piece. they only get 20 baht of it. once you have bought them a drink they will calm down a little it. yes they will give you a bj in the booth or in a back storeroom. i've gotten enough bj's there while sitting on a case of heinekin! the bj's are 500 baht plus whatever you are drinking. no way i would do a bj there without a condom as the women do not clean up before or afterwards like sol or [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url]. but the ladies there are nice people. there is a bar next door where the ladies do the same things. most of the guys that go there are regulars and older-like 50 years plus. its a place to go once and thats it. but again after you buy the ladies one round of drinks they are nice and its just someplace to chill out.

[quote=flyingvisitor; 1138626]please allow three questions:

1) what time of the day was it?

2) would hou have the chance to get an uncovered full service after several minutes of bbbj?

3) do you recommend to visit that place if you want to do "naughty" things?

thanks for response.

fv[/quote]

Hi all,

I am old senior member, now having lost the senior level status, earlier I used to log on as Boy Toy, but have forgotten my password and I am unable to log on as BT anymore (any ideas as to how it can be done, I don't remember the e.mail I'd I used earlier when I created the user).

Anyways would like to share something I was ashamed to share since last year but having gone thru the experience would like to warn others, last year in April I was in suzie wong in Soi Cowboy, when I caught the fancy of a Bar girl, apparently it was the other way round one BG threw herself over me and stared to do every possible thing in the bar itself, bar fined her, she insisted we go to bar opposite of suzie wong, apparently owned by a farang where BJ's and HJ's are provided in the bar only, I am forgetting the name but I am sure all the experienced mongers will be able to recall which bar this was, anyway she was all over me again, according to her she found me to be very attractive, we were all over each other even in the bar, another man approached me and told me the girl was too hot, later he asked me if I was ok for a threesome, to which I quickly declined, we walked out of the bar and I headed to my hotel.

The action started as soon as we reached the room, now came the tricky part, she wanted the intercourse to be without protection, I insisted to wear a condom, after about 15 min, things were not going the way she wanted, she took the condom off my thing, put it in her without it, I was a no. Of drinks down and gave in, did it without any protection, came on her tits and not inside, to which she was surprised, somehow after this immediately I was not drunk anymore, the guilt conscious on me started to kill me inside.

I sent her back home, and started to do some research on the net, later found some preventive methods, went to Bumrungrad hospital the next day was prescribed PEP by a well english speaking doctor who was most understanding.

But the side effects killed me, the next few days were full of dizzy nights and strong headaches, some times they were unbearable, and the guilt conscious kept killing me inside, was in BKK for another 4 days, but all got ruined all my nights were full of headaches or dizziness, had no idea on what to do, could not consume alcohol. My once a year escapade into the land of smiles turned into a trip of frowns, reached back home, the PEP medication was to be followed for another 10 days, which I had to be careful of not anyone getting to know.

Today almost an year as passed all I want to tell my fellow mongers is too never give in to any such silliness which I have committed a small bit of carelessness can lead to a big fuck up and can ruin everything. Just be aware and careful, don't do what I have done.

Take care.

[QUOTE=Chill Out; 1141314]I almost didn't post last time because I don't like to cause trouble. But I also don't like to see people being deluded, or to see inaccurate information in general.

First, I just think it helps to be realistic. For instance I tend to go for the hottest girls I can find, usually that means that :

* she knows her value.

* taking the price down by a lot isn't likely.

* you have to take her relatively quick before someone else does (happened to me yesterday again)

* better go early, before they are all taken.

* etc

So by knowing where your picks are on the food chain (ie being realistic) , you can take decisions and act accordingly. The opposite is also true. If you go for other kinds of girls, you could be acting differently, for example you could 'walk away' more often, use more leverage to pay less, show up late when they are worried about not finding a client, etc. Being realistic is helpful.

Second, I don't think it's fair, for forum readers who have never been to BKK and wonder if they should come, to describe these girls as "OK compared to a lot of others you see these days". It's not an accurate description of the market IMHO. A great majority of the girls available are cuter, pretty much in any venue, even in MPs that sell skills not looks.

Third, Nic, didn't I see you describe a girl as "horrendous" recently in the Photo thread? .

Just my 2 cents, no offense meant to anyone. [/QUOTE]It's one thing to give your opinion, I. E "I find this girl horrendous" and another to pretend lecturing somebody about how bad is his own taste. That's the difference between you and Nic.

Hope you learn this soon, and from now on avoid judging other's tastes, activities etc.

Just let us know your own views, opinions, evlauations, that will be fine and enough.

[QUOTE=Chill Out; 1141042]I assumed so. Not living here permanently, I don't have enough friends at this point in the LOS to do it though. Maybe in the future.

I'll probably try SOL just for the hell of it since it's an institution in BKK; but with what I hear about how the girls look there, I doubt I'll be into it very much. [/QUOTE]Chill out,

Its not important to have other guys really. Just get a few girls as I recommended. You can find a few well above average looks and good bodies in Suzi Wong.

SOL is not a place I go often, and yes the standard of girl looks is lower (last time I was there). Can't expect super hot girls to work in low class wayward places.

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan; 1141083]Good answer! I know we all look the same? I feel the same way about white folks I remember them by how big and fat they are?

LBM[/QUOTE]Thais call me "Panda Bear" due to belly a bit big and blackish eye sockets. I am not offended at all.

I don't know the best way to say "taa yee" in English (perhaps "East Asian eyes" is better than my previous attempt).

[QUOTE=Pro Fesseur;1140992]I said in my previous report that many of them are not very attractive, but some really are. During nighttime, if you are not lazy to walk a bit on Sukhumvit road and visit the above mentioned establishments, you will see many freelancers in a rather short time. Even if a rather high percentage of them are unattractive, you should eventually find at least one girl that is really pretty (and willing to go with you for a reasonable fee), usually in less than one hour (much more quickly if your standards are lower than mine).[/QUOTE]You are right on. In my experience, the vast majority of freelancers are ordinary looking, but I have been shocked at meeting a stunning one on rare occasions. Even a pretty girl with normal job can be stuck for money and need to earn a bit extra on occasions.

In the old days, used to be able to find some pretty girls in Thermae doing a bit of casual money making. I was impressed that they would give many guys the big knock-back till they met a guy who was respectful and nice that had a reasonable appeal to them. Its not necessary for a pretty girl just to accept any old guy.

[QUOTE=Chill Out; 1141314]I almost didn't post last time because I don't like to cause trouble. But I also don't like to see people being deluded, or to see inaccurate information in general.

First, I just think it helps to be realistic. For instance I tend to go for the hottest girls I can find, usually that means that :

* she knows her value.

* taking the price down by a lot isn't likely.

* you have to take her relatively quick before someone else does (happened to me yesterday again)

* better go early, before they are all taken.

* etc

So by knowing where your picks are on the food chain (ie being realistic) , you can take decisions and act accordingly. The opposite is also true. If you go for other kinds of girls, you could be acting differently, for example you could 'walk away' more often, use more leverage to pay less, show up late when they are worried about not finding a client, etc. Being realistic is helpful. [/QUOTE]Yes I agree with most of this.

[QUOTE]Second, I don't think it's fair, for forum readers who have never been to BKK and wonder if they should come, to describe these girls as "OK compared to a lot of others you see these days". It's not an accurate description of the market IMHO. A great majority of the girls available are cuter, pretty much in any venue, even in MPs that sell skills not looks.[/QUOTE]Its not very clear what you are saying here.

I believe that Thais in general have above average looks compared to other asian countries, however there are still many girls with plain faces working in most P4P venues. Generally really stunning girls will be taken out of the game quickly by someone who wants to support them (but not always). The percentage of really pretty girls is not that high. Maybe its just that I am picky. Fortunately my plain Jane is someone else's cutie (as Nic points out). Some guys find nearly all very young girls at Nana Plaza to be very cute, where as youth is not the same as beauty to me.

[QUOTE=Evianist;1141431]Looks OK as long as it's triple layered. Maybe some aluminum foil too.[/QUOTE]
So, here's a new recipe suggestion for my fellow ISG gastronomes: "Minou en papillote" (= pussy cooked in a foil parcel). Just like a chef would do with salmon (the other pink meat)! :D

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1141489]... they would give many guys the big knock-back till they met a guy who was respectful and nice that had a reasonable appeal to them. Its not necessary for a pretty girl just to accept any old guy.[/QUOTE]
You too are right on here, Syzygies. The punter's attitude and manners matter much more than money for the prettiest ones. Those girls can earn enough money for their needs very easily, so, they usually favors mongers with whom they feel they may have a good time, (almost) regardless of how much they are going to be paid for their service.

[QUOTE=Dreams;1141477]It's one thing to give your opinion, I. E "I find this girl horrendous" and another to pretend lecturing somebody about how bad is his own taste. That's the difference between you and Nic.

Hope you learn this soon, and from now on avoid judging other's tastes, activities etc.

Just let us know your own views, opinions, evlauations, that will be fine and enough.[/QUOTE]

I have not gotten the impression that Chill Out was lecturing in his report Duniawala about how bad his taste is. Chill Out mostly gave his opinion about the average beauty of the providers available on the local P4P market. Duniawala's pictures are just a frame of reference here. By the way, earlier in this thread, Duniawala also gave (ironically) his opinion about the average beauty of the girls available in certain P4P venues, and this time, the frame of reference consisted in the pictures that were recently posted in the photo gallery. It's not much different, IMHO.

[QUOTE=Llantarnam;1141170]Think you have just described my ideal shag.

I'm in town in 3 weeks time. If you find her, don't forget to pass on the details[/QUOTE]
Girls of this kind are more frequently found in Thai-oriented venues. I'm based in Northeastern Thailand, but visit Bangkok on a regular basis. I will be there later this month (in a little bit more than two weeks) for a couple of days and will certainly post a field report if I find anything worth mentioning during my short stay in the capital city.

[QUOTE=Goyave;1141507]I have not gotten the impression that Chill Out was lecturing in his report Duniawala about how bad his taste is. Chill Out mostly gave his opinion about the average beauty of the providers available on the local P4P market. Duniawala's pictures are just a frame of reference here. By the way, earlier in this thread, Duniawala also gave (ironically) his opinion about the average beauty of the girls available in certain P4P venues, and this time, the frame of reference consisted in the pictures that were recently posted in the photo gallery. It's not much different, IMHO.[/QUOTE]. And, IMHO, I respectfully disgaree with your analysis. End of the story.

[QUOTE=Chill Out; 1141314]I almost didn't post last time because I don't like to cause trouble. But I also don't like to see people being deluded, or to see inaccurate information in general.

First, I just think it helps to be realistic. For instance I tend to go for the hottest girls I can find, usually that means that :

* she knows her value.

* taking the price down by a lot isn't likely.

* you have to take her relatively quick before someone else does (happened to me yesterday again)

* better go early, before they are all taken.

* etc

Just my 2 cents, no offense meant to anyone. [/QUOTE]Chill Out, you forgot the most important item in your list. The STARFISH factor (not shouting, just emphasizing).

In my experience of Thailand over the years, I have found that in a majority of of the "most hottest" looking girls rate low to average in the sex department. Yes, they are cool to take around, but at the end of the day the sex is what it all counts.

[QUOTE=Duniawala; 1141547]Chill Out, you forgot the most important item in your list. The STARFISH factor (not shouting, just emphasizing).

In my experience of Thailand over the years, I have found that in a majority of of the "most hottest" looking girls rate low to average in the sex department. Yes, they are cool to take around, but at the end of the day the sex is what it all counts. [/QUOTE]That Is true, but when you find a hot one who goes like a steam train makes It worth while, sometime I will go for performance over looks, but I don't fly 6, 000 miles to shag munters! :)

[QUOTE=Fon Tok; 1141300]How old are you? For some men, especially if they are over 40, women this young are, well, just too young. I have P4P girlfriends who refer to some of their customers as "grandfather."

Lust works both ways. Some guys speak of "pops" like they were downing cans of beer. For me, at least part of the time, it is more enjoyable to experience a woman's orgasm that to have one of my own. But, after thousands of "pops," maybe that is something that some older men enjoy more than younger ones? I don't remember as it's been a long time since I was young. . [/QUOTE]I am 55, and in no way do I consider barely legal P4P teens "too young!" And I don't care if they call me Grandfather!" And I'm contributing to their income! I treat them, and their older counterparts, with the utmost courtesy and respect. I do enjoy at least TRYING to get them off as well.

[QUOTE=Duniawala;1141547]In my experience of Thailand over the years, I have found that in a majority of of the "most hottest" looking girls rate low to average in the sex department. Yes, they are cool to take around, but at the end of the day the sex is what it all counts.[/QUOTE]If an ordinary looking girl is also crap in bed, you forget her real fast, like in 2 seconds, but if a hot girl (in appearance) is totally crap in bed, then it frustrates the hell out of you. I still am haunted by one tall and pretty girl with a perfect dream body (even natural C cups) who wouldn't do BJ, no DATY, no kissing, scared of my dick, and rather starfish with tense legs. Shit, I struggled to maintain an erection under these circumstances. She wanted me to be her "friend" (I don't need any more platonic girls thankyou). I guess she was interested only in young spunks with a six-pack body. Who knows? Its so confusing when I am used to a full blown GFE. She works outside a Soi Cowboy bar, so see her regularly as I go past.

Fortunately I end up with these nightmare girls only rarely. There are usually plenty of tell tail signs before you actually take her away. Haven't had such a disaster girl for over 2 years now. Well, at least I have forgotten any other disasters that weren't so stunning. I am more careful now. Its still possible though, for a cunning girl to really con you into thinking she will be good.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1141687]There are usually plenty of tell tail signs ...[/QUOTE]Fruedian slip there, I mean "Freudian". That damned auto spelling corrector is just doing a shitty job.

[quote=syzygies; 1141492]y.

its not very clear what you are saying here.

i believe that thais in general have above average looks compared to other asian countries, however there are still many girls with plain faces working in most p4p venues. [/quote]yes but we were not discussing just a 'plain faces' issue.... click on the pics we were talking about...

[quote=duniawala;1141547]chill out, you forgot the most important item in your list. the starfish factor (..) a majority of of the "most hottest" looking girls rate low to average in the sex department. yes, they are cool to take around, but at the end of the day the sex is what it all counts.[/quote]

i don't know. is sex all that counts? i guess for some people it is, but not for me. i was reading an old post the other day and the poster said it's the experience and enjoying a girl's body that counts (the look, the smell, the touch.) , not just getting off, which you could do with your hand. i quite agree with that. having a fun girl counts for me too.

i was in [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901][CodeWord901][/url] yesterday. i hear the ladies there are very skilled with their bjs. but as soon as i took a look at the team i was out of there quicker than you can take a breath. i know she is skilled, but do i want a 45 years old, ugly plump lady who looks like a lord of the rings extra anywhere near my tool? nope. not even with my eyes closed. not even if i was paid to do it.

also, if hotties can disappoint in bed, it doesn't mean your average old plump ugly lady will do a better job. does it? i guess their attitude is better. but you can screen attitude before you buy. nobody should take a girl who has a bad attitude, even if she is very hot.

anyway, i'm glad you are not pissed off by my previous comments, duniawala! it's nice to see people who can hear some disagreeing feedback and not go postal. we are all just shooting the shit here and sharing views.

[quote=syzygies;1141687]if an ordinary looking girl is also crap in bed, you forget her real fast, like in 2 seconds, but if a hot girl (in appearance) is totally crap in bed, then it frustrates the hell out of you.[/quote]i disagree. both frustrating, in one case though you have someone hot to look at. obviously starfish experiences should be avoided no matter what. and super hot with good service is what we should aim for. i had one such experience at amsterdam, i will post about it later. it doesn't come cheap however.

[QUOTE=Citizen; 1141459]Hi all,

I am old senior member, now having lost the senior level status, [/QUOTE]How can one lose a senior level status?

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy;1141789]How can one lose a senior level status?[/QUOTE]According to the FAQ you can lose it if you are too abusive or flagrantly break the rules. But in this guys case, it sounds like he just forgot his password and which e-mail account he registered with, so he can't log with his old username, which has senior level status.

[QUOTE=Tanglin;1141799]According to the FAQ you can lose it if you are too abusive or flagrantly break the rules. But in this guys case, it sounds like he just forgot his password and which e-mail account he registered with, so he can't log with his old username, which has senior level status.[/QUOTE]

It seems also that he has owned two accounts here for several years!
- Citizen's join date: February 7, 2004
- Boy Toy's join date: February 23, 2004

Anyone have a similar experience of me of having develop a friendship with a gogo girl after taking her out a few times. After three barfines and LT arrangements I have actually told a girl that I'm no longer interested in bf her anymore. We than just shared some drinks on my visits onward. Seem to understand and really are helpful in introducing me to other girls. The only thing is that the other girls are off side in that I can't bf in front of my friend.

[QUOTE=Goyave; 1141817]It seems also that he has owned two accounts here for several years!

- Citizen's join date: February 7, 2004.

- Boy Toy's join date: February 23, 2004[/QUOTE]Tanglin. You got that absolutely right.

Goyave. How did you get that info, even I was not aware that I have had both these accounts for all this while, any idea if I could know which e mail I'd I I used when I must have created the boy toy account, if I knew the e mail I'd I am sure I could retrieve the pass word.

Please help

[QUOTE=Orange Crust;1141914]The only thing is that the other girls are off side in that I can't bf in front of my friend.[/QUOTE]Why not? You would have a nice arrangement if you could. Does she imagine you won't bf anybody ever again? That would be kind of silly. You should get her to be more accepting, after all she is your friend, right?

[QUOTE=Chill Out;1142024]Why not? You would have a nice arrangement if you could. Does she imagine you won't bf anybody ever again? That would be kind of silly. You should get her to be more accepting, after all she is your friend, right?[/QUOTE]Agreed. If she's introducing you to her friends then there's no reason why you can't BF one of them. You could just tell her which one you like and ask her to arrange it. That usually works well because she'll make sure the other girl shows you a good time so you'll keep coming back.

Guys.

Just spent a week in Bangkok and wanted to say thanks for your reports.

They were a great help.

I will give a full report soon.

[QUOTE=Syzygies; 1140731]I was in Baccara and noticed the waitress speaking to 2 asian guys behind me in Thai. They answered in flawless Thai with no apparent accent as though they were born to it. Normally I can detect Thai with an accent spoken by Koreans and Japanese ("mai chat"). These two were just so perfect they really seemed like Thai although not particularly dark skinned.

There eyes were not real slanty like Chinese / Japanese. My Baccara girl later confirmed that they don't have Thai customers, so I suppose they could have been Korean or similar but rasied here since quite young. I was itching to ask them but thought I better mind my own business. [/QUOTE]If this was a couple of weeks ago then I think I saw the same guys. They're Thai, and managed to get in without the bouncers realizing. They also speak English with pretty strong American accents, which is probably why they were let in (their English was way better than most Thais so the bouncers thought they were foreign).

You really have to write those reports quickly. I haven't written them up for the last few days and it's all becoming a blur of drinks and girls already. Thank God I'm taking some notes on my phone once in a while.

[QUOTE=Jed Wordsmith;1142033]If They're Thai, and managed to get in without the bouncers realizing.[/QUOTE]Wait, are Thais actually forbidden to enter Baccara?

[QUOTE=Chill Out;1142037]Wait, are Thais actually forbidden to enter Baccara?[/QUOTE]Makes sense. Imagine some jealous Thai bf attacking the customer his gf is grinding.

very good advice. the tip doesn't have to be much at all, just a few baht, but it is appreciated and they will look out for you.

[quote=kaukaukane;903991]tip the security guards and befriend them early in your stay. have him check the id's and let you know if they are lb or ****.[/quote]

[QUOTE=Jed Wordsmith;1142033]If this was a couple of weeks ago then I think I saw the same guys. They're Thai, and managed to get in without the bouncers realizing. They also speak English with pretty strong American accents, which is probably why they were let in (their English was way better than most Thais so the bouncers thought they were foreign).[/QUOTE]Thanks, that makes sense and something I didn't think of. Thais that have been raised overseas are not exactly full Thai in behaviour and so may be interested in Baccara girls just like us. Their appearance was consistent with westernised Thais, but didn't look like "luuk Khreung" (half Thai). I can assure that they spoke Thai perfectly with no apparent accent to my ear and I have been speaking Thai for nearly 20 years, including with persons who speak Thai "mai chat" (not clearly) , like "Thai Yai" from Myanmar and Koreans living here. However a Thai person may be able to pick up that they potentially speak Thai slightly unusually, if not really living in Thailand all the time.

[QUOTE=Chill Out;1141773]I disagree. Both frustrating, in one case though you have someone hot to look at. Obviously starfish experiences should be avoided no matter what. And super hot with good service is what we should aim for. I had one such experience at Amsterdam, I will post about it later. It doesn't come cheap however.[/QUOTE]I would be real boring if we all agreed totally, no doubt.

"both frustrating". Well okay but for those of us that have been here for many years, its a waste of effort to be too concerned if a plain looking girl was crap in bed. I can just go out and find another replacement girl who will help me forget the first girl quickly (2 seconds was an exaggeration but honestly I have totally forgotten girls that I fucked only a short time ago if they were not memorable).

It can be a problem to me, having forgotten some crap girl, that if I went back to the same place, I could accidentally choose her a second time, then only remember her when her performance was equally bad as the first time. Very few girls really improve a lot. It happened to me once or twice that actually accidentally repeated with a really "un-sanook" girl. Embarrassing! :confused: Probably I should make short notes on every girl ever done, sorted by venue and date, so as not to make mistakes. I even have Thai girl phone numbers in my phone with a short name and I think "who the hell was that?" I forgot to specify where I met her and there are just too many with the same name. e.g. too many "Fon", "Noi", "Anne", "Nit", "Cherry", "Cat", "Aom", "Aor", etc.

Like you, I want to be with girls who look really special as well as having good skills.

damn, the blonde japanese girl with the big tits by the swimming pool this afternoon got me in the mood for a good blowjob. if you are her boyfriend, you are truly a lucky guy and i salute you. thankfully, i am in thailand and can get my urge taken care of without delay. field report of my visit to [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901][CodeWord901][/url]'s will follow in a couple of hours.

[QUOTE=Chill Out;1142037]Wait, are Thais actually forbidden to enter Baccara?[/QUOTE]I think it has something to do with not wanting to rip their own people off, but preferring to rip off farang.

[QUOTE=Chill Out;1142037]Wait, are Thais actually forbidden to enter Baccara?[/QUOTE]Yes, Thais are Forbidden in these places. Not only does the place not want trouble with a Thai BF adn customers, but the girls also don't want any Relative seeing she is a working girl.

Most prostitutes don't tell their families back home what it is exactly they do for a living.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1142117]I can assure that they spoke Thai perfectly with no apparent accent to my ear and I have been speaking Thai for nearly 20 years, including with persons who speak Thai "mai chat" (not clearly) , like "Thai Yai" from Myanmar and Koreans living here. However a Thai person may be able to pick up that they potentially speak Thai slightly unusually, if not really living in Thailand all the time.[/QUOTE]Some Cambodians speak Thai perfectly and can pass for Thais. When I went to Siem Reap, my Staff said that the Cambodian Staff spoke perfect Thai.

Does anyone know this girl? I met her in spicy a few times.

I have more if you are interested

[QUOTE=Chill Out;1142024]Why not? You would have a nice arrangement if you could. Does she imagine you won't bf anybody ever again? That would be kind of silly. You should get her to be more accepting, after all she is your friend, right?[/QUOTE]It's really amazing how much fun you can have in the back corner of a bar when the girls are not dancing and just hanging out waiting for customers. These girls are often just fun and kind girls. The dynamic does change though, the other girls kinda see you as being off-side. It's almost saving face for your friend that you previously barfined if you're not a butterfly in front of of her but all the sudden you are accepted as being a good guy by all of the girls. I've been invited to "non-farrang" afterhour bars for some great times. Once I was one of only two white guys in a bar. Respect your hosts and be nice. Never had a problem yet and had some of the most memorable times ever clubbing as a non-mongerer with pro's on their night off.

I'm longing for my next visit to the LOS.

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy; 1142201]Yes, Thais are Forbidden in these places. Not only does the place not want trouble with a Thai BF adn customers, but the girls also don't want any Relative seeing she is a working girl.

Most prostitutes don't tell their families back home what it is exactly they do for a living. [/QUOTE]That Is true, as we know most thai men wouldn't be seen dead In a farang gogo bar, as they like the lighter skinned girls.

I've just had 3 nights in Bangkok staying at the Ibis in Soi 4 (Nana) which I managed to get on a promotion of 3 nights for the price of 2, for myself and a wingman on his first visit, so excellent value at 1090 THB all in per night IMO.

Having refreshed at the hotel following the drive down from ROI ET we had our first beers in the Morning Night so the newbie could watch it all roll on past the bar. It was 75 THB for local beer in the afternoon but compared with our local price of 50 THB for a large bottle, somewhat of an eye opener for the wingman. He was more stunned later when in some places they charges 135/145 for a small one. A few regular girls in the bar and also a few new ones, we thought there was a reasonable selection overall.

Moved onto the Beer Garden, a place I had not been into for about 2 years, having heard it had picked up a bit recently. We were pleasantly surprised as it was quite full and in the area by the band stage there were a few nice lookers.

The newbie was keen to get going and it wasn't long before he had one lined up for the hotel session later on at 1000 THB for the night. I passed as it was too early for me to tow one around showing the newbie the rest of the bars.

I ended the evening with a cracker from Mandarin and there were a few to choose from in an excellent line up. 2000 THB for LT and was a good performer in all departments but no A. I had 3 pops during her presence in the bedroom and was more than satisfied.

The following lunchtime I gave the grand tour to Soi Cowboy, the bars in Soi 33 and 22 including Washington Sq and the MP's in the same places adding on Soi 26 and 24. I had a 2 hour session in Dream Heaven with 2 pops from a lithe 20 year old. My preferences in Angel, EZ, Mango and Snow White having been unavailable, always good to have a plan E!

The evening was spent touring NEP, Mandarin was good again, R4 plenty to choose from, as always. DC10 was just about OK but the Angel Witch was dreadful in terms of line up and had a very negative atmosphere. Spanky's however was just the opposite and more than made up for the time spent in Angel Witch. There was a positive response from the girls who really seemed to be enjoying themselves with plenty of customer interaction.

The newbie picked a FL from Soi 4 but said the following day it was not a good experience and booted her out after 1 round and about 45 minutes, he said he coughed up the 1000 just so she would go quickly and with no fuss. I picked one out of Liquid who was more up to the task and she performed more than satisfactorily.

Sunday afternoon started again at the Morning Night before venturing again to the Beer Garden, the wingman wanted to see if the Friday night girl was in again.

She was and he took her and her friend back for a night long 3 some for 1500 THB each and had a big smile on his face when we left the Ibis at 10am the next day.

I also took a very attractive girl from the Beer Garden, she didn't come in until around 7. 30pm and said that she didn't do more than one customer a day and the evening was the best time for her. We went to Bangkok Beat for a couple on the way back to the hotel and we both enjoyed the band. She was very good company and knew exactly or instinctively how to behave and provide a GFE.

She was a top performer and I came once in mish, once in doggie and twice with her doing a BBBJ in which she swallowed the lot. By far the best experience was the last and I would like to repeat again on my next visit in about 6 weeks, all thing being equal.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1142120]It can be a problem to me, having forgotten some crap girl, that if I went back to the same place, I could accidentally choose her a second time, then only remember her when her performance was equally bad as the first time. .[/QUOTE]LOL. Now THAT must be frustrating!

[QUOTE=Jerboa;1142289]. . . most thai men wouldn't be seen dead In a farang gogo bar, as they like the lighter skinned girls.[/QUOTE]The main reason you don't see many Thai men in farang go-gos is because they're not let in. The times I've managed to get Thai friends in with me, they've liked the girls just fine.

I've just finished a wonderful night with a pretty top-looking lady. Maybe a 9 with make-up on, an 8 in the morning without make-up IMO.

She came yesterday at 6 PM and stayed until 11AM today.

She gave me five (5) long and passionate sessions. It was such a GFE that I started to call her "girlfriend" as a joke.

I paid her the pre-agreed 4000; and a 1500 tip. I know, I know. Before you shout at me, keep in mind this girl works on the "model" floor of a high-class establishment where she charges 3500 for 90 minutes (one pop only). And this wasn't a 1AM to 6AM deal either.

This is far for my first such experience on this trip. The more experienced I get, the less I believe the "Yes but most hotties are starfish" stuff.

I did invest some efforts in making her feel comfortable, happy and excited (not money related; I didn't buy her anything and didn't even promise a tip ahead of time). You could say I made the GFE happen and you would be partly right. But nothing is stopping anyone from doing that with every hottie (dutifully pre-screened for attitude).

Bangkok Residents: do you know if gogos and MPs are closing for Songkran? If yes, what dates?

[QUOTE=Chill Out;1142474]Bangkok Residents: do you know if gogos and MPs are closing for Songkran? If yes, what dates?[/QUOTE]EZ massage for sure will be closed but I forget which dates. Maybe 15-19? I remember seeing a similar sign out in front of Mango.

[QUOTE=Juicyclamlover;1142401]I ended the evening with a cracker from Mandarin and there were a few to choose from in an excellent line up. 2000 THB for LT and was a good performer in all departments but no A.[/QUOTE]Age, body type, and face?

[QUOTE=Chill Out;1142474]Bangkok Residents: do you know if gogos and MPs are closing for Songkran? If yes, what dates?[/QUOTE]Tuesday to Friday? 12-15th?

That's less and less true. Nowadays it's not uncommon to see middle class Thais in some Gogos like RB4, the Arab Bars or Baccara, but they remain a tiny minority.

[QUOTE=Betong;1142425]The main reason you don't see many Thai men in farang go-gos is because they're not let in. The times I've managed to get Thai friends in with me, they've liked the girls just fine.[/QUOTE]

The thai guys I know generally avoid cowboy because it is seen as a farang spot. They prices are high for what you get (mostly isaan girls). They know better place to go for the types of girls they like.

I'm thinking to stay during Songkran in any case, sounds like a lot of fun. Is it actually, or is it more boring-annoying than it looks? I've obviously never done it. The only think I know about it is the water throwing stuff. It sounds awesome.

[QUOTE=Chill Out; 1142435]I've just finished a wonderful night with a pretty top-looking lady. Maybe a 9 with make-up on, an 8 in the morning without make-up IMO.

She came yesterday at 6 PM and stayed until 11AM today.

She gave me five (5) long and passionate sessions. It was such a GFE that I started to call her "girlfriend" as a joke.

I paid her the pre-agreed 4000; and a 1500 tip. I know, I know. Before you shout at me, keep in mind this girl works on the "model" floor of a high-class establishment where she charges 3500 for 90 minutes (one pop only). And this wasn't a 1AM to 6AM deal either.

This is far for my first such experience on this trip. The more experienced I get, the less I believe the "Yes but most hotties are starfish" stuff.

I did invest some efforts in making her feel comfortable, happy and excited (not money related; I didn't buy her anything and didn't even promise a tip ahead of time). You could say I made the GFE happen and you would be partly right. But nothing is stopping anyone from doing that with every hottie (dutifully pre-screened for attitude).[/QUOTE]Hi, I will be in BKK from 19th-21st April. SOunds you were lucky. Any pic available respect. Mobile to get in touc with her? What was the service like? Thanks for the help

[QUOTE=Chill Out;1142517]I'm thinking to stay during Songkran in any case, sounds like a lot of fun. Is it actually, or is it more boring-annoying than it looks? I've obviously never done it. The only think I know about it is the water throwing stuff. It sounds awesome.[/QUOTE]Yeah it's a lot of fun if you're not a tight-ass. Basically just a national water gun fight that goes on for several days.

[QUOTE=Chill Out;1142435]The more experienced I get, the less I believe the "Yes but most hotties are starfish" stuff.[/QUOTE]I agree, sort of. Hotties for looks can be hot in bed too, if the mood takes them, they like you, you are not stingy, etc. However as they get guys so easily, they don't necessarily try extra hard to please, as they just don't need to. So you require the good chemistry to be working nearly 100% for the real hotties.

While poor performances from hotties are not unusual, it doesn't have to be the norm. I have had the odd hottie as a regular who were super for me but not always the same for every guy. I have had the gone wrong experiences too. Go very carefully with hotties!

Maybe not "most" georgous girls are bad in bed, but they certainly can be. There definitely is a higher probability in my experience.

Ok, this is a question for the pros that get action at the bar in places like jungle jims, toy, etc. How do you keep the momasons at bay in these place to get the dances cuter girls (stage girls). I have everything done right at the bar but general the girl is not one of the dancer and the number of drinks to the momason and girl add up fast. I am not trying to be cheap but then I want to get the most for my money.

[QUOTE=Strikesfun;1142541]Ok, this is a question for the pros that get action at the bar in places like jungle jims, toy, etc. How do you keep the momasons at bay in these place to get the dances cuter girls (stage girls). I have everything done right at the bar but general the girl is not one of the dancer and the number of drinks to the momason and girl add up fast. I am not trying to be cheap but then I want to get the most for my money.[/QUOTE]You are just too soft. You need to ignore girls that you have not called over and refuse to buy them a drink. Don't allow them to give you a shoulder massage either or in anyway interfere with you. When you like a girl, you can tell a waitress or whoever to call her over to you, making sure that the staff understand which girl. Then you will be expected to at least buy her a drink. Us regulars have to ignore plenty of girl advances any time we go into a bar where we are not well known.

Remember the golden rule. An annoying girl won't go away if she is able to get drinks out of you.

If you get bored with a girl, just call over a replacement girl when the other one is away dancing or whatever. This will often signal a loss of interest in the first girl. Some guys just sit by themselves and refuse to buy drinks for anyone.

These ideas work in most sensible bars. I have experienced bars where the staff are a continual hassle like Rainbow 3 (I think) at Nana a few years back. If telling them to go away doesn't work, in the end you might have to find a more layed back bar. I haven't been to Jungle Jim's or Toy recently so I am not sure of the pressure level in there, but clearly you want to play up with a girl (s) of your choice.

You can't let them fob off the ugly girls on you. If you have an "easy" reputation already, then you will just have to work on being in a really bad mood and therefore very changed temperament.

Thought I would check out a couple of bars with Coyotes. Went to Sahara about 10PM. The Coyotes were really not that special. A couple of the nude dancers (wearing just belts) were okay but I didn't like the expressions on their faces.

Left Sahara and in due course came to Midnite just when the show was on. Immediate strong attraction to show dancer, quite slim with only A cups, but very sensuously dancing indeed. Face was rather cute too. So called her over for a drink. The Coyote girls started dancing and only one or two were as pretty as my show dancer Anna. Anna told me that she had told a fib to some other guy that I wanted to barfine her (whereas he didn't) and that's why she was sitting with me. The truth is I really did want to barfine her.

She indicated that we could go to a room upstairs but we couldn't go to my Hotel, since she is specifically employed to do special shows. I was worried that this might mean she wanted to do just a 15 minute quickie. She had indicated she wanted 2K. As she had started to kiss me DFK and no smoker breath, I decided to trust her and go with my thought that the sexiest dancers are likely to be hot in bed too.

Room turned out to be a large bedroom (not expected) and aircon had kept it quite cold. She went for her shower and I went for mine after that. Returning she was no where to be seen. At least till she appeared out of crouching position behind the door, Boo! Okay so she was a playful one. She lay on the bed face down her exquisite tush raised slightly. I touched her bottom and arsehole very lightly with tongue only and she started to move with it. Turned over for some DATY. She didn't seem that keen to do BJ so I started with Mish position as not yet super hard. Still plenty of GFE style kissing. Did some doggy to take in that superb arse. Back to Mish and she thought I was closing in on an orgasm, so she said "I don wan you cum yet". Ha Ha! Little did she know I had gone 2 hours with Mango Cherry earlier with a scoreline of 2-2. She put pillow under her bottom to help me probe deeper. The she asked me to lie down so she could do a very extended cowgirl. By end of this my dick was starting to flag as I didn't have movement control. Changed position again. We rested for 10 minutes, after I had got real hot and sweaty, as she had earlier switched off the aircon while I showered. Some chatting and kissing, and then started up again. This time she decided to sit on my face and squirmed around real hard against my lips and flicking tongue for a good 20-30 minutes. I was starting to realise now that this girl was a sex maniac.

She then wanted to sit on my cock and have me sitting as well, but I had to return to Mish as not yet hard enough. Later some more positions and some hard pounding making me think she was doing herself damage. After a good 2 hours of marathon sex I finally reached an orgasm, where she had had several despite no getting there so easily. She rested some more as her stomach was now hurting. She claimed was indigestion and period coming soon, but I suspected self inflicted damage from the cowgirl stuff. Eventually we had to return to the bar, as the mamasan would be wondering what happened to her. Sure enough, the mamasan asked if she had been "sleeping" up there.

We had some more fun back in the bar.

Here was a really pretty and hot girl who was also a good fuck and really into it long hard sex, with absolutely no concern for time passing, although I only ever got a cursory blow job out of her. Way different to what I was pessimistically expecting. She could easily have worked as a Coyote dancer as very pretty and good dancer with a hot body, but I expect she doesn't do that because she wants a real good fucking regularly.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1142661]Anna told me that she had told a fib to some other guy that I wanted to barfine her (whereas he didn't) and that's why she was sitting with me. The truth is I really did want to barfine her.-- Here was a really pretty and hot girl who was also a good fuck and really into it long hard sex, with absolutely no concern for time passing, although I only ever got a cursory blow job out of her. Way different to what I was pessimistically expecting. She could easily have worked as a Coyote dancer as very pretty and good dancer with a hot body, but I expect she doesn't do that because she wants a real good fucking regularly.[/QUOTE]Amazing Thailand. Nice report!

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1142661]Way different to what I was pessimistically expecting.[/QUOTE]It's interesting, that sometimes one can be too pessimistic and worry too much.

Not everyone here is trying to suck every bath out of you and rip you off like many people say. I've lived in Asia for a decade (and in other third world countries before) and it's an often repeated cliché, mostly by disgruntled or parroting expats, that all Thai-Chinese-Columbians-Namibians etc try to suck your last penny out of you. True sometimes, not true all the time, in my experience. One shouldn't get too cynical or one may miss out on fun experiences. The problem is it's such a common thing to discuss among expats that you start to believe it and repeat it. I too have my "they all try to rip you off" days and bar rants.

A couple of days ago I was invited to party in a disco by a WG with her other WG friends after their shift. "Yeah right, so I can pay for all the drinks, no thanks", I thought, and I passed. After meeting that girl again it's clear she just liked me and wanted to have a good time. I had dinner with her and she offered and insisted to pay the bill. Over 700 baths. Anyway, I was way off the mark with my pessimistic assumptions.

Sometimes it's good to just go for it. The most you can lose is a couple of hundred baths. Then you'll have a funny rip off report to write ;)

[QUOTE=Chill Out;1142735]insisted to pay the bill[/QUOTE]Wow, you let a thai girl pay

That's just wrong

[QUOTE=Strikesfun;1142541]Ok, this is a question for the pros that get action at the bar in places like jungle jims, toy, etc. How do you keep the momasons at bay in these place to get the dances cuter girls (stage girls). I have everything done right at the bar but general the girl is not one of the dancer and the number of drinks to the momason and girl add up fast. I am not trying to be cheap but then I want to get the most for my money.[/QUOTE]Hi,

Yes that isn't easy sometimes to keep away the vultures, they will come in numbers and get some drinks out of you. They of course make cash on the drinks or have a minimum Quota to obtain so they will be very aggressive.

Just politely say no. Tell them that if you see a lady you like, you will invite her and buy a drink.

After a few minutes of standing there with nothing, they will move on.

Also, ALWAYS pay your Bill as you go. I know many people will tell you that the bars are fair and all that, well it's ok if you trust them but I don't. I don't want to leave any temptation to anyone (waitresses, mamasans, Bartenders, Bargirls). I have seen girls come and slip their drink bill to the customers bill-holder, waitresses cheating customers on change (pretending he gave 500 instead of 1000) and mamasans never helping the poor client.

Be nice but firm about what you want, you are the customer and you are spending your money so don't let the girls dictate what you should do.

There is No "face" in this game, some girls are very sweet and will show you a good time. Just make sure it's the girl you want, YOU are the one to choose.

Have fun and play safe

Guys, will there be any action in the larger establishments like Colonze, La Belle, and similar during Songkran? Flying in to LOS early next week, and can't move the dates so kinda stuck with sitting out parts of this festival.

I'm not here to talk about recognising LBs as such, but more that LBs are creeping into Soi Cowboy. I hope it doesn't become like Nana Plaza and Pat Pong with loads of them.

Last night one Coyote dancer at Sahara looked a bit LB like with narrow hips and exaggerated movements (but probably wasn't). However Midnite had one LB without any doubt whatsoever. I recall a couple of LBs at Deja Vu in the past too.

Are other bars starting to accept LBs as dancers or bar-finable staff? I'm excluding the Suzi Wong LB mamasan.

[QUOTE=Syzygies; 1142816]I'm not here to talk about recognising LBs as such, but more that LBs are creeping into Soi Cowboy. I hope it doesn't become like Nana Plaza and Pat Pong with loads of them.

Last night one Coyote dancer at Sahara looked a bit LB like with narrow hips and exaggerated movements (but probably wasn't). However Midnite had one LB without any doubt whatsoever. I recall a couple of LBs at Deja Vu in the past too.

Are other bars starting to accept LBs as dancers or bar-finable staff? I'm excluding the Suzi Wong LB mamasan. [/QUOTE]IMO, ladyboys or post-op ex-guys have always been around in the go-go bars, at least in the past 15 years. I'm assuming most of them are post-op ex-guys; I've never checked; LOL! (Those types of surgeries are relatively inexpensive in Thailand).

A majority of go-go bars will have at least 1 ladyboy or post-op ex-guy. Some guys like those types of things.

Ya, I hope they don't "invade" like they did in Nana.

[QUOTE=Mealticket; 1142747]Wow, you let a thai girl pay

That's just wrong[/QUOTE]Is it? She didn't seem to think so. She offered to. It seemed to make her happy.

[QUOTE=GreenBud;1142843]A majority of go-go bars will have at least 1 ladyboy or post-op ex-guy. Some guys like those types of things.[/QUOTE]Traditionally Soi Cowboy did not have LBs. I have never seen one at Long Gun, Baccara, or Suzi Wong (excluding the mamasan). There are a few women who look like guys around though LOL.

[QUOTE=Chill Out;1142848]Is it? She didn't seem to think so. She offered to. It seemed to make her happy.[/QUOTE]I agree. I never seen or knew about a Thai person offering to pay or do something that they did not really desired to do. It is customary for westerns, not for them.

To the contrary I've seen Thai man women shelling out their money for whatever they got and not making a fuss about it.

[QUOTE=New Old Guy;1142856]I never seen or knew about a Thai person offering to...do something that they did not really desired to do.[/QUOTE]You may need to get out more often.

This is just crazy talk.

(if not for the baht) you (actually) think young, hot thai girls "desire" to do elderly, fat, unkempt, badly dressed farang?

[QUOTE=Duniawala;1141547]In my experience of Thailand over the years, I have found that in a majority of of the "most hottest" looking girls rate low to average in the sex department. Yes, they are cool to take around, but at the end of the day the sex is what it all counts.[/QUOTE]Telling very hot women "no" is one of the greatest pleasures a man can experience. I'm quite content with doing so unless they make me believe they're also going to give me a great time.

[QUOTE=Evianist;1143051]Telling very hot women "no" is one of the greatest pleasures a man can experience. I'm quite content with doing so unless they make me believe they're also going to give me a great time.[/QUOTE]

A few days ago I was in Bacarra and got a girl to sit next to me. The hottest girl I've seen in Bacarra so far. In the course of our short conversation, I mentioned I was staying at the GM and apparently she thought I was trying to impress her (I just meant to tell her I was staying very near). Though she was pleasant until then (and excellent English) , she looked at me with a smirk and said "I don't care what hotel you are staying at".

I blinked twice, smiled and said "I don't think I like your attitude. You can go now. Kap Kap." She was completely taken aback and asked me to repeat it. The look on her face was priceless. It doesn't seem like this happens to her too often.

If possible after that, get a hot girl from the same shop, treat her well, make her come and give her a nice tip. Bad-attitude-girl will hear about it the next day. LOL

[QUOTE=Chill Out;1143074]A few days ago I was in Bacarra and got a girl to sit next to me. The hottest girl I've seen in Bacarra so far. In the course of our short conversation, I mentioned I was staying at the GM and apparently she thought I was trying to impress her (I just meant to tell her I was staying very near). Though she was pleasant until then (and excellent English) , she looked at me with a smirk and said "I don't care what hotel you are staying at".[/QUOTE]Funny how the conversation goes wrong. I probably would not have said I was staying at GM unless asked, for fear of appearing to be showing off. However her answer was not a good way to create harmony unless she was clearly joking around. Anyway probably you were best to find someone else who could accept statements of fact at face value without incorrectly reading attitude into them. Nothing worse than a pairing with continual misunderstandings to follow, leading to a bad time. Many girls have a bad habit of reading in meaning that is just not there. I got divorced for exactly those reasons.

Meanwhile Evianist says that he got extra pleasure from rejecting the hot girl. I would never say it gave me a feeling of pleasure. I don't need to feel so smug. It would be just a calculated decision about maximising my chance of finding a good time.

Dropped by Thigh Bar, little spinner came to sit on my lap after I refused a number of girls, mamasan came to sit next to me, wrote down 3050 on a piece of paper. I pulled a face and shook my head. She wrote down 2550. I didn't look impressed. I said 2000 OK. She asked the girl, is 2000 OK? Girl said yes. She told me it's up to the girl. Includes barfine, room (across the soi in a ST hotel) , and the girl's money. Mamasan got a 100b tip, and girl got 200b for taxi afterwards (it was near closing time).

[QUOTE=Rocksoff;1143084]Dropped by Thigh Bar, little spinner came to sit on my lap after I refused a number of girls, mamasan came to sit next to me, wrote down 3050 on a piece of paper. I pulled a face and shook my head. She wrote down 2550. I didn't look impressed. I said 2000 OK. She asked the girl, is 2000 OK? Girl said yes. She told me it's up to the girl. Includes barfine, room (across the soi in a ST hotel) , and the girl's money. Mamasan got a 100b tip, and girl got 200b for taxi afterwards (it was near closing time).[/QUOTE]How did you find the quality of the ladies at this bar? Did you go to any other Patpong bars? Did the girl perform up to your expectation?

Enquiringly minds want to know?

Last year at about 1 am I think on the 3rd of may (approximately) , one night I was quite tired of looking for someone, all the good stuff was either gone or had been tried earlier, I ended up selecting one from Midnite, took her back to the hotel (which was a saviour) , she refused to shower together, in the taxi, her hands were pretty hard, I sent her for a shower in the bathroom and quickly called the night guard at the reception, and asked him if the one I had brought was a LB, he confirmed yes, he was, got quite angry, when he came out of the shower and saw me all clothed, got quite surprised and asked me what I was up-to, I told him I was not gay and was not interested, he said why, I told him you never disclosed you were an LB, did you, he said no, I asked him to leave politely, he asked for money, I gave him 500 B, as I didn't want any trouble, I was ok with calling the police if I had too, but nothing like that had to happen, as he left quite willingly, got quite relieved the moment he left, thanked the guard, asked him how he knew, he told me it was evident to him from the I-card, tipped him 100B, next few days kept tipping him daily and he would give his nod after having seen the I cards, I think this probably is the best way to find out before, al these women will hand over their I cards to the guard and of course if you are friendly enough with him, you can know beforehand, also you need to get them back to your hotel for this, short time rooms, will never give you this privilege.

Also one more dancer from midnite is definitely a LB, which is evident from his big posture and over aggressive behavior, got to be careful.

[QUOTE=Syzygies; 1142816]I'm not here to talk about recognising LBs as such, but more that LBs are creeping into Soi Cowboy. I hope it doesn't become like Nana Plaza and Pat Pong with loads of them.

Last night one Coyote dancer at Sahara looked a bit LB like with narrow hips and exaggerated movements (but probably wasn't). However Midnite had one LB without any doubt whatsoever. I recall a couple of LBs at Deja Vu in the past too.

Are other bars starting to accept LBs as dancers or bar-finable staff? I'm excluding the Suzi Wong LB mamasan.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Citizen;1143089]... asked him how he knew, he told me it was evident to him from the I-card...[/QUOTE]
You can as well check it yourself (as already explained in the "Identifying transvestites" thread).

Before the person's name, written in Thai, if you can find "นาย" (= "Mister"), then, you are dealing with someone who was born a male.

Following are the various cases:
Mister: นาย ("nai")
Miss: น.ส. (abbreviation for นางสาว "nang sao")
Mistress: นาง ("nang")

And with the most recent Thai ID cards, it's even easier as it is mentioned in Thai AND in English.

[QUOTE=Goyave; 1143118]
Mistress: &3609; &3634; &3591; ("nang") [/QUOTE]Goyave,

Mistress: นาง ("nang")

Freudian slip there, I'm sure you meant "Mrs." rather than "Mistress" LOL :D

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1143125]... Freudian slip there, I'm sure you meant "Mrs." rather than "Mistress" LOL :D[/QUOTE]

No Freudian slip here, as “Mrs” originated as a contraction of the honorific “Mistress”.
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mrs[/url].

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1142851]There are a few women who look like guys around though LOL.[/QUOTE]Those might be post-operation ex-guys.

[QUOTE=Citizen;1143089]I told him I was not gay and was not interested, he said why, I told him you never disclosed you were an LB, did you, he said no, I asked him to leave politely[/QUOTE]If you have any doubt, need to check in the bar. At least a post-op ex-guy is better than a ladyboy. IMO. Ignorance is bliss. LOL!

[QUOTE=GreenBud; 1143127]Those might be post-operation ex-guys.

If you have any doubt, need to check in the bar. At least a post-op ex-guy is better than a ladyboy. IMO. Ignorance is bliss. LOL! [/QUOTE]A post-op is still a ladyboy (dick or no more dick), but in Thailand politely referred to as a "she" when speaking English, even if the the Id card says "Mr.". A LB / Transsexual is someone who wants to be a woman but was born with a dick and no pussy. "Ex-guy" strongly suggests that something has changed dramatically (post-op as you said) but not a normally used term, I think. ;)

Mostly, I can tell the difference between butch girls or ugly girls and LBs. Not interested in either for sex (so no big deal).

[QUOTE=Goyave; 1143126]No Freudian slip here, as 'Mrs' originated as a contraction of the honorific 'Mistress'.

[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mrs[/url]

[/QUOTE]Okay I had never heard "mistress" used that way before. Its sounds ancient / archaic. You keyword was "originated" (in times long gone by). So forgive my ignorance.

[url]http://simple.wiktionary.org/wiki/mistress[/url]

lists only one meaning (no capital M) , so I guess the other meaning "Mrs." is obsolete.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1143134]Okay I had never heard "mistress" used that way before. Its sounds ancient / archaic. You keyword was "originated" (in times long gone by). So forgive my ignorance.

[url]http://simple.wiktionary.org/wiki/mistress[/url]

lists only one meaning (no capital M) , so I guess the other meaning "Mrs." is obsolete.[/QUOTE]

I probably should have written “Mrs.”, but I wanted to avoid using an abbreviation when the equivalent in Thai was not an abbreviation. As explained in Wikipedia, it is rare for Mrs to be written in a non-abbreviated form and it lacks a standard phonetic spelling (in literature it may appear as “missus” or “missis” or “Mis’ess”, etc.). Instead of choosing one among the numerous non-standard phonetic spellings, I just used the word that this abbreviation originally meant.

Actually, knowing the origin of this word, I initially thought that “missus” (for instance) was just a shortened or altered way of saying “mistress” (even for English native speakers), just like “ma'am” is sometimes used instead of “madam”, but I guess that it's a bit different nowadays for “Mrs.” (so, you can call me pedantic or archaic, I would not mind too much as a non-native English speaker, especially since I consider this matter totally unimportant!).

[QUOTE=Rocksoff;1143084]Dropped by Thigh Bar, little spinner came to sit on my lap after I refused a number of girls, mamasan came to sit next to me, wrote down 3050 on a piece of paper. I pulled a face and shook my head. She wrote down 2550. I didn't look impressed. I said 2000 OK. She asked the girl, is 2000 OK? Girl said yes. She told me it's up to the girl. Includes barfine, room (across the soi in a ST hotel) , and the girl's money. Mamasan got a 100b tip, and girl got 200b for taxi afterwards (it was near closing time).[/QUOTE]Do what you want, but 2300 for ST is twice what most pay.

[QUOTE=Chill Out;1143074]she looked at me with a smirk and said "I don't care what hotel you are staying at".[/QUOTE]Talk about mis-communication. Maybe she meant that she did not care if you were staying in a 5 star or a 2 star, that she would be ok to go with you anyway.

I guess you'll never know now.

[QUOTE=Evianist;1142522]Yeah it's a lot of fun if you're not a tight-ass. Basically just a national water gun fight that goes on for several days.[/QUOTE]
Well, Songkran is great fun for some people who are on holiday and have nothing more interesting to do, especially if they can celebrate it at one place without having to travel too much during this period. But for many residents, it's mostly a pain in their (according to you) "tight ass"!

For instance, I really hate driving during those holidays as it's even more dangerous than usually in Thailand and the Land of Smiles is certainly not renowned for its road safety records even in normal times (3516 road accidents, 361 deaths and 3803 injuries were reported last year during Songkran).

Of course, I too have had my share of fun in the past (including several freebies) and still spend occasionally some good moments with the locals during Songkran, but I could perfectly live without it (actually, I would be rather pleased if one day, it ceases to exist anymore).

At least, if it lasted only three days! Officially, it's only from April 13th till April 15th, but actually, it lasts much more than that. This year, I underwent my first water-splashing attack on April 6th while driving my car in a small village of Northeastern Thailand! I was so surprised that I could have had a bad reflex then, and could have provoked an accident with a motorbike arriving in the same area. And I can consider myself lucky because I was in my car and not riding my own motorbike this day (at least, I and my belongings did not get soaked like the other guy passing by at the same time)!

[QUOTE=Evianist;1143051]Telling very hot women "no" is one of the greatest pleasures a man can experience. I'm quite content with doing so unless they make me believe they're also going to give me a great time.[/QUOTE]True enough, I still have this memory of myself is my late 20s, dressed to kill, sitting in my brand new coupe at a traffic light downtown in a main European capital. To my right came a red convertible with three north Europeans girls, they giggled and tried to attract my attention over the course of two or three more lights. I never turned my head, but could see that they were gorgeous blondes. And kept a straight if not slightly annoyed face.

However, I didn't do that just to be a stuck-up jerk. I knew with absolute certainty that the actual chances of bedding that type of girls were very small, but the effort involved in just trying would have been huge. Since I couldn't tell them that, I traded futile flirtatiousness for indifferent attitude, that's the way things have to go sometime.

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy; 1143155]Talk about mis-communication. Maybe she meant that she did not care if you were staying in a 5 star or a 2 star, that she would be ok to go with you anyway.

I guess you'll never know now. [/QUOTE]Right, but he can still know as that was only few days ago and chances are that the girl still there. Even more interesting, if the hottie is willing to talk about the supposed misunderstanding and accept apologies, that's a real chance to judge her attitude and if she's completely dumb or not.

[QUOTE=Evianist;1143051]Telling very hot women "no" is one of the greatest pleasures a man can experience.[/QUOTE]I'd say it can be mildly satisfying at best, but usually not even that, unless you feel you have something to prove to someone you don't even know. In my experience the 'greatest pleasures' are the positive ones.

[QUOTE=Betong;1143174]I'd say it can be mildly satisfying at best, but usually not even that, unless you feel you have something to prove to someone you don't even know. In my experience the 'greatest pleasures' are the positive ones.[/QUOTE]Perhaps you're interpreting it incorrectly.

Being comfortable and confident with oneself to the point where you're capable of saying no when the offer isn't all that great, no matter how attractive the woman is, is where the pleasure comes in.

If a very beautiful woman approaches you with the implication being "I have no interest in you as a person. I want you to overpay for me to give you a disinterested starfish performance. And I want you to like it." and you're capable of smiling and saying "No thank you." then you're in a good place mentally.

The best times are always with the girls you connect with on a personal level. If a beautiful girl doesn't seem like she wants to have a good time with you, simply tell her no and move on to someone who does.

[QUOTE=Chill Out;1142435]... I paid her the pre-agreed 4000; and a 1500 tip. I know, I know. Before you shout at me, keep in mind this girl works on the "model" floor of a high-class establishment where she charges 3500 for 90 minutes (one pop only). And this wasn't a 1AM to 6AM deal either...[/QUOTE]
OK. So, as she's a "model", you might have taken at least one picture of her? Even one in full-clothes? At this price, I hope you did. Could you please post one (or more) in the photo gallery? Thanks in advance.

[QUOTE=Evianist;1143189]Being comfortable and confident with oneself to the point where you're capable of saying no when the offer isn't all that great, no matter how attractive the woman is, is where the pleasure comes in.[/QUOTE]You lost me, are we still talking about prostitutes here? Because if we are, then I don't understand at all what pleasure comes with saying no to a lady selling her body since it is not you she wants but what's inside your wallet. I am pretty sure she could not give a rat's ass about it since, if she's attractive, she'll always find someone.

[QUOTE=Goyave;1143163]Well, Songkran is great fun for some people who are on holiday and have nothing more interesting to do, especially if they can celebrate it at one place without having to travel too much during this period. But for many residents, it's mostly a pain in their (according to you) "tight ass"![/QUOTE]I fully agree, but I think you're wasting your breath. Let the tourists have their fun and go back to where they came from.

By the way, these are the same fuckers that will tell you they love Songkran and they complain that half the hooker places are closed or operate with less girls. Go figure.

Songkran is terrible. That's why I left just before it started. I don't want some stupid idiot spraying who knows what (toilet water, sewer water, swamp water) on me when I'm out and about. It could quickly escalate into a fight and that's not why I go to Bangkok. Songkran had nothing to do with soaking people and acting stupid. It's a New Year's celebration and it's supposed to be holy. That's definitely not what it is now.

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy; 1143212]I fully agree, but I think you're wasting your breath. Let the tourists have their fun and go back to where they came from.

By the way, these are the same fuckers that will tell you they love Songkran and they complain that half the hooker places are closed or operate with less girls. Go figure. [/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy;1143155]Talk about mis-communication. Maybe she meant that she did not care if you were staying in a 5 star or a 2 star, that she would be ok to go with you anyway.[/QUOTE]I doubt it. I'm pretty good at reading facial expressions and body language. She just had a bad attitude. Maybe she is a great person and was just having a bad day. Who knows. We'll see if I get a chance to talk to her again. As you know, sometimes by being firm (but polite) with a girl, you get her to mellow and she comes back to you the next time on more flexible terms, knowing you are not going to put up with any shit.

While we are on it: Bacarra! The second floor is supposed to have hot girls according to reports here. I was very underwhelmed but only went there once for 20 mins or so. Very short girls in japanese schoolgirl uniforms, nothing special really. I thought the girls on the first floor were hotter. Did I miss something?

The only girls I see worth mentioning in Bacarra are those, like the bad-attitude girl, who are not wearing the usual skimpy outfits but dresses. Mine was wearing a normal black cocktail dress. Her English was great for a WG. She did have a number and I'm pretty sure we discussed ST so she was barfinable. I only saw these girls walking around downstairs though. Do they show up in a line-up upstairs at some point?

[QUOTE=Goyave;1143198]OK. So, as she's a "model", you might have taken at least one picture of her? Even one in full-clothes? At this price, I hope you did. Could you please post one (or more) in the photo gallery? Thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]Yes, did. But I'm not sure I'll share any. I've spent a lot of time with her and we've become pretty close. As in, you-boyfriend-me-please-fuck-me-without-condom-you-no-pay-me-ka! close (I obviously keep the condom firmly on). So it would feel a bit like a betrayal to put her pics out there. I also don't want to get her in trouble since she is not supposed to do freelancing work outside her shop.

[QUOTE=Phuquer;1143214]Songkran is terrible. That's why I left just before it started. I don't want some stupid idiot spraying who knows what (toilet water, sewer water, swamp water) on me when I'm out and about. It could quickly escalate into a fight and that's not why I go to Bangkok. Songkran had nothing to do with soaking people and acting stupid. It's a New Year's celebration and it's supposed to be holy. That's definitely not what it is now.[/QUOTE]Welcome to Happy Water 2554!

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy]You lost me, are we still talking about prostitutes here? Because if we are, then I don't understand at all what pleasure comes with saying no to a lady selling her body since it is not you she wants but what's inside your wallet. I am pretty sure she could not give a rat's ass about it since, if she's attractive, she'll always find someone.[/QUOTE]How is it that guys continuously lose sight that these are hookers, floozies, bimbos, tramps, prostitutes, hoes, beotches, harlots, hustlers, ladies of the night, scarlet women, streetwalkers, working girls? These scenes illude more people than David Blaine and David Copperfield combined.

[QUOTE=Chill Out;1143274]Yes, did. But I'm not sure I'll share any. I've spent a lot of time with her and we've become pretty close. As in, you-boyfriend-me-please-fuck-me-without-condom-you-no-pay-me-ka! close So it would feel a bit like a betrayal to put her pics out there. I also don't want to get her in trouble since she is not supposed to do freelancing work outside her shop.[/QUOTE]If "you-no-pay-me-ka" then it's not considered freelancing is it? And who's to say the picture was taken while she was freelancing? I'm pretty anxious myself to see some of these 9s and 10s and models people always talk about but never show.

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1143279]I'm pretty anxious myself to see some of these 9s and 10s and models people always talk about but never show.[/QUOTE]I will do my best to post something. Unfortunately I don't really care for pics myself so I have taken almost no record of my trip so far (speaking of the WGs part of it). It only occurred to me 2-3 days ago that I should try to contribute something in the pic thread since I was being critical about some posters' pics, it would only be fair. I've since gotten pics of 2 girls but I still forget sometimes. I'll post a bigger set by the time I leave which unfortunately is soon.

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1143278]\How is it that guys continuously lose sight that these are hookers, etc?[/QUOTE]Because the little head is doing very little thinking. Thai working girls are masters at extracting cash once they know you've bitten their baited "hoy."

When you hear,"Teerak, can you help me?" It's probably a little beyond the time you should have moved on.

And for the supposed power play by saying "no," I say that most Thai women could give a shit as there is always another one coming their way and they know it. A hot working girl would forget this comment as soon as it left a monger's mouth.

[QUOTE=Evianist;1143189]The best times are always with the girls you connect with on a personal level. If a beautiful girl doesn't seem like she wants to have a good time with you, simply tell her no and move on to someone who does.[/QUOTE]Sentence edited below:

The best transactions are always with the working girls your wallet connects with purely on a business level. If a beautiful working girl doesn't seem like she wants to have a good time with you and your wallet, simply tell her I have no money and she will move on to someone who does have money.

[QUOTE=Luvpuss;1143151]Do what you want, but 2300 for ST is twice what most pay.[/QUOTE]Really? Including barfine and room? I don't think so.

Great to be back here surrounded by great people and huge amounts of fun. Many thanks to all of the contributors to the forum who keep this thread so up to date and entertaining.

Got in fairly late and went straight to Citadines on SOI 11. Nice room and great staff here.

Hurried down to SOL and got a really first class BBBJ from May. Not hurried and really expertly carried out. The only downside for some could be that she has really small boobs, for me not a problem. I would have considered taking FS, however wrong time of the month. I appreciated that she was honest and up front about that.

Feeling very satisified went over to Nana area for a beer at Alec's Bar to find that it is now called the cabin and Alec has gone sone months ago. Many of the previous team is still there and the new guy seems nice enough. Will definatley go back and try one of the ladies for a night of fun.

BB

[QUOTE=Boater Boy;1143473]I would have considered taking FS, however wrong time of the month. I appreciated that she was honest and up front about that.[/QUOTE]I don't think she had a choice. You would have known.

What amazes me is that some girls put sponges in their pussies and hope guys won't notice, but I think unless your dick is small, you will notice there is something in that pussy.

Let's just hope it's just a sponge and not razor blades, because then it won't be her blood on the sheets but yours.

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy; 1143478]I don't think she had a choice. You would have known.

What amazes me is that some girls put sponges in their pussies and hope guys won't notice, but I think unless your dick is small, you will notice there is something in that pussy.

Let's just hope it's just a sponge and not razor blades, because then it won't be her blood on the sheets but yours. [/QUOTE]Seems that you have sen too many "gore" horror movies. LOL

[QUOTE=Dreams;1143486]Seems that you have sen too many "gore" horror movies. LOL[/QUOTE]Yes, that is possible.

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1143279]If "you-no-pay-me-ka" then it's not considered freelancing is it? And who's to say the picture was taken while she was freelancing? I'm pretty anxious myself to see some of these 9s and 10s and models people always talk about but never show.[/QUOTE]There are plenty of 9's and 10's about. Trouble is they all advertise on web sites that charge 6k a pop.

If you're like me (midle aged and ugly) be thankful for what you can get.

[QUOTE=Evianist;1143189]Being comfortable and confident with oneself to the point where you're capable of saying no when the offer isn't all that great, no matter how attractive the woman is, is where the pleasure comes in.[/QUOTE]Agreeing with Betong,

I reckon Evianist would get great pleasure out of drinking "NoName" brand of coffee (yuck) because the price is so much lower than the Lavazza or whichever really nice coffee you like. Life is too short. I get pleasure out of a great time with the hottest girls I can find at the time, with a good attitude and good chemistry. They don't have to come at rock bottom prices. I am not retired and still work for good money.

The best girls are never going to price themselves real low. That wouyld be disrespecting their own quality. They just don't need to and would be more than happy with a "no deal". There is not a fixed price for all regardless of the standard, except maybe in places where super hotties don't exist!

Each to their own. I know some guys would be happy to just lie back, close their eyes (so they forget how plain looking she is) , and get blown. Could be an old fat hag at the BJ bar.

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy;1143478]What amazes me is that some girls put sponges in their pussies and hope guys won't notice, but I think unless your dick is small, you will notice there is something in that pussy.[/QUOTE]I agree but must consider that some pussies are extra deep and some sponges are smaller. Considering that girls have one maybe 20% of the time, and that it is reported so little, I guess many guys just don't know.
I prefer also girls that will tell "mee fai daeng" (have a red light).

I am embarassed to say that last night I failed to detect it but should have. Was a regular girl and I knew her period had finished 2-3 days ago, so all should have been well. I failed to put the finger deep in there (some girls won't let you but this one will) and so started fucking without checking. She felt smaller than usual which I put down to not having had sex lately. Also my feeling was down from usual and in the end she had cum a couple of times but I didn't get there (too much recent sex?).

Next morning I try again, but this time detect the sponge and get her to remove it. Now the feeling has returned, and I get the much deeper experience (even though she claimed the sponge was tiny) and I orgasm with no problems. For guys that don't cum quick, the absence of the sponge can make a big difference. Left a tiny bit of colour on the bedsheets.

For girls that don't speak English too well it may be handy to know the sponge is called "fong naam". "Chuay aow fong naam ork" means "please take the sponge out".

Syzig, I don't think Evianist was talking about price but about being able to say no to a girl with a bad attitude. Which, let's face it, is easier to do when you have 50 other girls eager to go with you a few steps away. There is some 'pleasure' or satisfaction involved in that. In real life you might put up with it (for a while at least) , in a gogo bar you don't have to. You have many options. It's part of the fun.

[QUOTE=Syzygies; 1143513]Agreeing with Betong,

I reckon Evianist would get great pleasure out of drinking "NoName" brand of coffee (yuck) because the price is so much lower than the Lavazza or whichever really nice coffee you like. Life is too short. I get pleasure out of a great time with the hottest girls I can find at the time, with a good attitude and good chemistry. They don't have to come at rock bottom prices. I am not retired and still work for good money.

The best girls are never going to price themselves real low. That wouyld be disrespecting their own quality. They just don't need to and would be more than happy with a "no deal". There is not a fixed price for all regardless of the standard, except maybe in places where super hotties don't exist!

Each to their own. I know some guys would be happy to just lie back, close their eyes (so they forget how plain looking she is) , and get blown. Could be an old fat hag at the BJ bar. [/QUOTE]I wasn't talking about price. Or even about prostitutes exclusively.

I know it's dangerous to call my post "first night" as I will probably be too lazy to write about the second night! Ah! Ah! Anyway, as usual I went for my first night (Saturday) to Bangkok Beat as it is a good place to have fun and they usually have a good band. I go there the first night (and maybe the second) because I could fuck any girl that night and the quality in this place is not so hight (rather old girls). The next nights I tend to get more picky and usually end up in a Gogo with a young cute girl.

Surprisingly, I found there a girl who was only 22, maybe the only one there (maybe I saw another one, so that makes two around that age). She was with another girl who's got picked up by a young (apparently not experienced) expat. His girl was about 30 and he told me he pays her 2500 LT. Gosh! If expats pay that price in Bangkok Beat, where the quality is not much better than in BG, I wonder how much newbie tourists would pay! Anyway, it had great time there! Of course because the expat sucker was paying her girl 2500, my cutie also asked this price, which I quickly got down to 2000, promising I would not tell the other guy. Great night with wet pussy and full GFE!

Tonight I will have a look at BG, then BBeat again and maybe Bamboo, and eventually end up in a Gogo if necessary.

[QUOTE=El Frances;1143600]She was with another girl who's got picked up by a young (apparently not experienced) expat. His girl was about 30 and he told me he pays her 2500 LT. Gosh! If expats pay that price in Bangkok Beat, where the quality is not much better than in BG, I wonder how much newbie tourists would pay![/QUOTE]Not all expats are experts in whoring. Maybe the Bar scene isn't his thing.

Hi, I'm planning a trip to Thailand sometime soon, have been RTFF, gone back over 20 pages. I have a few newbie questions some respectful memebrs could clarify:

1) How it works in Thailand seems to be get a GF hotel. (still need to read this section, advice welcome). Go to Soi Cowboy or Nana's and find a girl. The question is to do with prices because reports seem to vary a lot:

ST = 3 hours? Where you can cum a few times. Price = 1000B?

LT= whole night Price=1500B?

2) Does it cost anthing to enter the bars? Ie you can bar hop for free? Bar fine I gather is about 5-600B.

3) I heard reports about LB and ex-guys. Presumely if you pick someone from the gogo bars your safe.

In all, it costs 1500 including bar fine for 3 hours to bring your girl back to your hotel?

Thanks,

[QUOTE=Droplet;1143647]Hi, I'm planning a trip to Thailand sometime soon, have been RTFF, gone back over 20 pages. I have a few newbie questions some respectful memebrs could clarify:[/quote]I am far from being among the most experienced and respected members here but I think I should be able to answer your questions. I have been to Bangkok 4 times and have a little clue.

[quote]1) How it works in Thailand seems to be get a GF hotel. (still need to read this section, advice welcome). Go to Soi Cowboy or Nana's and find a girl. The question is to do with prices because reports seem to vary a lot:[/quote]I beg my pardon from those who will disagree but it much depends on [i]whose[/i] Report you're reading. There are two main kinds of mongers: those who count their money while looking for girls and those who aren't. I'm one who isn't (even though I am very far from being rich or even prosperous person even if I look and act like one while in Thailand). That much depends on your attitude and world-view. It depends on whether you want to get something here and now at any cost without worrying about every dollar you spend or whether you can go for a cheaper alternative and feel just as good while always staying within budget. It is up to you and not anyone else. So there is no "right" answer.

[quote]ST = 3 hours? Where you can cum a few times. Price = 1000B?[/quote]ST doesn't mean ANY amount of hours or times to cum (well, it means at least one cum I guess). It may be 15 minutes or it may be 3 hours. Depends on a girl and yourself. Although usually it would be something between 1 and 2 hours. Very much depends on the girl and if she likes you. Of course if she likes you she will stay longer. You, however, DO NOT have a right to keep her longer than she is willing to stay after you cum (unless agreed before. But I have never heard anyone doing that). It is a discreet situation based on common sense the basic of which is you take the girl to your hotel, you both take a shower, then some foreplay, kissing etc, fuck, cum, shower again and she goes. This is what you should expect. Anything less means not good while anything more you should consider yourself lucky. ST 1000-1500 in ordinary (I. E. Cheaper) bars while 2000 in Baccarra, Rainbow 4, Sharks and I think Tilac (never been to that one though). I know I know some mongers will say it's too expensive, that you're an idiot to pay so much, that they can get it for 100 baht long time but that's what I expect to pay for a hot girl in a good bar (I. E. One of the four I mentioned). So 1000-1500 in an ordinary bar and 2000 in one of the "elite" ones (I guess you may negotiate it 1500 though. But I never done that).

[quote]LT= whole night Price=1500B?[/quote]Yes, from a "cheap" bar. But even cheaper ones I think ask 2000 in Bangkok (perhaps cheaper in Pattaya or Phuket) From the expensive one it's a 4000 (that's what they usually ask anyway, and if they're really hot they won't go down). Many would agree to 3000 though. Then again, many won't go for LT at all, especially if it happens early (I. E. Before midnight or so) or if they don't like you. Sometime they agree to go LT after having ST. They change mind often those girls. And remember, NEVER pay BEFORE. Just after I. E. When she's leaving your room.

So all in all: cheap bar 1500LT while expensive "elite" bars 3000-4000LT.

[quote]2) Does it cost anthing to enter the bars? Ie you can bar hop for free? Bar fine I gather is about 5-600B.[/quote]No, it's all free to enter. Technically you don't even have to buy anything if want to just quickly have a look around. But being a respectful person I guess it's a good idea to order some drink straight away unless you really intend to leave immediately. Barfines are 500-600 and that is when you take the girl out. You should expect to buy a drink for the girl while she's sitting with you. They also get some commission from the drinks you buy them so they may get pushy. It is important to stay polite and discreet while not to waste too much money on buying them drinks.

[quote]3) I heard reports about LB and ex-guys. Presumely if you pick someone from the gogo bars your safe.[/quote]I always ask the mamasan. Although bars like Rainbow4 and Baccara, as far as I am aware don't have LBs anyway so if you go to those establishments you are pretty much safe.

[quote]In all, it costs 1500 including bar fine for 3 hours to bring your girl back to your hotel?[/quote]If you go to Rainbow4 and other bars I mentioned. Most definitely not. It will take as much as 3300 or so (including 2000 for the girl. 600 barfine, some 500-600 for drinks and a taxi ride). But for this money you're looking at the top bars and top girls. This is what I do anyway.

In cheaper places you possibly can make it with 1500 all inclusive but I would say 2000 to is more realistic.

The problem which we must not forget are drinks. They cost something like 200-300 baht each and going there you "immediately" buy two drinks which means 400-600 baht. Then if you buy another one or two you may end up spending a 1000 on drinks alone so it's good to keep this in mind and perhaps plan things in a way to minimize drinking.

Also my suggestions are based on my perception. Like I said, once I'm after girls I don't care much about money, I always want to get what I want here and now without any compromises, I like "hot" girls I. E. Young, skinny, well shaped body (I. E. Won't go for anything who is described as "not skinny, just normal" or "not one of those anorexic girls"). So I would guess I have a high standard based on my perception of beauty. If you are the same then I hope my advice may be of use. If not and you're pragmatic and open for experiments regarding looks, body shapes and sizes then just ignore my post. Cheers and have a good stay in LOS.

[QUOTE=Droplet; 1143647]ST = 3 hours? Where you can cum a few times. Price = 1000B?

LT= whole night Price=1500B?

In all, it costs 1500 including bar fine for 3 hours to bring your girl back to your hotel?

Thanks, [/QUOTE]Funny how a few cheapos can influence the newbies and lure them into Thinking BKK is a Cheap Paradise. Then the said Newbies arrive in NaNa and Cowboy and is in for a rude Awakening:

Drinks@150.

Barfines at 600 to 900 (Baccara early)

ST@2000 for 1 shot

LT@4000 and the girl tries to pull a "friend needs me so I leave after 3 hours" scam.

In my opinion, there is ST to be had in BKK for 1000 (even 300 if you want) but not in the bars. Go to BG7 or Nana Car Park.

If you are on a tight budget, I suggest you avoid Patpong, Cowboy, Nana.

Get your Drinks and Food@7/11 and pull girls from Beergarden or Nana Carpark or Sukh Streetwalkers.

[quote=nicfrenchy; 1143738]funny how a few cheapos can influence the newbies and lure them into thinking bkk is a cheap paradise. then the said newbies arrive in nana and cowboy and is in for a rude awakening:

in my opinion, there is st to be had in bkk for 1000 (even 300 if you want) but not in the bars. go to bg7 or nana car park. if you are on a tight budget, i suggest you avoid patpong, cowboy, nana. get your drinks and [email]food@7[/email]/11 and pull girls from beergarden or nana carpark or sukh streetwalkers. [/quote]don't forget the rep001tered beer bars (patpong 2, suk soi 22, along suk road, etc.). these are good places to drink and find hidden gems for less than "mainstream" prices.

[quote=fon tok;1143744]don't forget the rep001tered beer bars (patpong 2, suk soi 22, along suk road, etc.). these are good places to drink and find hidden gems for less than "mainstream" prices.[/quote]and makes you appreciate that tulip, mango, sw, etc are good value.

Well summed up, Der Tourist.

BKK is no longer cheap, in fact its become the most expensive of all South East Asian countries and one of the most expensive Asian countries.

When you consider short time in Hong Kong (via 141) or Singapore with the many China girls is cheaper than you get in BKK for similar quality you know Thailand has become expensive.

Cambodia and Burma is 600 Baht long time. Indonesia is 700 baht short time.

Compare that to Thaland where short time is, in general. 1500Baht to 2000Baht.

A minimal standard night out with food, drinks, barfine and gogo girl short time (1 shot) is 100US$ gone, then add your hotel on top and other activities / food for the actual spend per day and its approaching 200US$ to 250US$ or more per day for just normal living and 1 short time.

Drinks also keep going up and are a direct influence on your overall spending. Why is a beer twice the price in BKK as in Manila? Its pure greed of the bar owners as less spend money so they put the price up for those that are spending money to try to compensate and so get even less real spending customers and around and around it goes.

More and more girls are complaining less and less farang spending money and more and more are "cheap charlie" but the girls cannot appreciate that with the Thai baht appreciating near 50% in a few years Thailand no longer is cheap at all, and indeed, its becoming very expensive.

If you are on a tight budget, avoid Thailand all together, head for Cambodia or the Philippines. Simple as that.

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy; 1143738]Funny how a few cheapos can influence the newbies and lure them into Thinking BKK is a Cheap Paradise. Then the said Newbies arrive in NaNa and Cowboy and is in for a rude Awakening:

[email]Drinks@150.[/email]

Barfines at 600 to 900 (Baccara early)

[email]ST@2000[/email] For 1 shot

[email]LT@4000[/email] And the girl tries to pull a "friend needs me so I leave after 3 hours" scam.

In my opinion, there is ST to be had in BKK for 1000 (even 300 if you want) but not in the bars. Go to BG7 or Nana Car Park.

If you are on a tight budget, I suggest you avoid Patpong, Cowboy, Nana.

Get your Drinks and [email]Food@7[/email]/11 and pull girls from Beergarden or Nana Carpark or Sukh Streetwalkers. [/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy;1143738]Funny how a few cheapos can influence the newbies and lure them into Thinking BKK is a Cheap Paradise...[/QUOTE]
Since Thais (and certain foreigners who patronize the Thai-oriented establishments) are paying only 1500-1600 baht ST or 2000-2100 baht LT for (on average) much more attractive girls picked-up in the Thai go-go bars located in Bangkok (and much less for the local streetwalkers, of course), do you consider them as "cheapos"? That's already very good money for the locals in Thailand (the national average MONTHLY wage is below 9000 baht).

So, please, stop using this derogative term. If a clear deal is made with the provider beforehand (that means, agreeing on price and services to be provided), one might overpay, but never underpay. So, there are not many real "cheapos", but sure, overpayers are legion! That's why, despite what some ISG members say, that P4P in Bangkok is getting more and more expensive over the years, especially in the tourist-oriented places.

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy;1143738]Barfines at 600 to 900 (Baccara early)[/QUOTE]Barfine 900 in Baccarra? Ouch! .

Just to clarify, if you take a girl early (when exactly is that?) you pay 900? That is a little expensive if you ask me. Especially since I AM early and try to make it between 8 and 9 so that I can see the hotties even if I like to spend a while looking and choosing before deciding.

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy; 1143738]Funny how a few cheapos can influence the newbies and lure them into Thinking BKK is a Cheap Paradise. Then the said Newbies arrive in NaNa and Cowboy and is in for a rude Awakening:

In my opinion, there is ST to be had in BKK for 1000 (even 300 if you want) but not in the bars. Go to BG7 or Nana Car Park.

If you are on a tight budget, I suggest you avoid Patpong, Cowboy, Nana.

Get your Drinks and [email]Food@7[/email]/11 and pull girls from Beergarden or Nana Carpark or Sukh Streetwalkers. [/QUOTE]I think Droplet must have been reading my Chapter for Cheap Charlies. When I absolutely have to be in BKK, for me it's Nana Carpark or Suk SWs. And I get my food from the kebab guy, the street vendors, or Food Land.

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy; 1143738]Funny how a few cheapos can influence the newbies and lure them into Thinking BKK is a Cheap Paradise. Then the said Newbies arrive in NaNa and Cowboy and is in for a rude Awakening:

Barfines at 600 to 900 (Baccara early)

[email]ST@2000[/email] For 1 shot

[email]LT@4000[/email] And the girl tries to pull a "friend needs me so I leave after 3 hours" scam. [/QUOTE]

And yet you're not giving accurate prices either.

Barfine: Generally 600. Sometimes 500. Sahara is 700. Never heard of anyone paying 900 in BKK.

ST: The girl will say 2000. Then you say 1500. Then she says OK. If she doesn't like you she will demand the 2000. I have gotten 1000 before (her offer, not mine) , but it was in a less popular bar. You shouldn't expect to get 1000 ST.

LT: The girl will say 3000-4000. You should bargain to 2500-3000. Many girls won't want LT, especially if it's early. Many will try to leave after 3-4 hours and still expect a LT fee, which you should refuse and give her ST. Some, if they like you and / or are tired, will agree to a ST fee and then stay LT by their choice, in which case you should add a generous tip to a ST fee.

Freelancers: 1000 ST. 2000 LT. A bit higher if they're one of the better looking girls.

Streetwalkers/Carpark: They should pay you.

[QUOTE=Evianist; 1143785]Freelancers: 1000 ST. 2000 LT. A bit higher if they're one of the better looking girls.

Streetwalkers / Carpark: They should pay you. [/QUOTE]What's the difference? How do you think freelancers get to the discos except by walking the streets? :)

[QUOTE=Mouse1;1143805]What's the difference? How do you think freelancers get to the discos except by walking the streets? :)[/QUOTE]I guess I should have said streetstanders.

[QUOTE=Evianist;1143808]I guess I should have said streetstanders.[/QUOTE]But seriously, do you think that the car park girls are any less attractive than those in the BeerGarden, say? I would probably say they are a bit younger, but isn't it just the same set of girls moving from place to place as the evening moves on?

[QUOTE=Goyave;1143765]So, please, stop using this derogative term. If a clear deal is made with the provider beforehand (that means, agreeing on price and services to be provided), one might overpay, but never underpay. So, there are not many real "cheapos", but sure, overpayers are legion! That's why, despite what some ISG members say, that P4P in Bangkok is getting more and more expensive over the years, especially in the tourist-oriented places.[/QUOTE]Apologies about the poor choice of word. I wanted to stir the pot a little, not offend anyone.

Bangkok can be as expensive or as Cheap as you want it to be.

CHEAP OPTION: stay in a moderate hotel, use Streetwalkers and freelancers (500 1, 000 ST) or Chinatown ( 300 ST)

MODERATE OPTION: Stay in Moderate Hotel, use BG7, Small Beer Bars (1, 000 ST)

REGULAR OPTION: Stay in a 2, 500 thb hotel, use Nana or Cowboy or Any Oily or soapy (min 1, 500 ST + barfine or massage fee)

EXPENSIVE OPTION: Stay in a 4 star, use Nana or Cowboy, buy drinks, go to model class soapies.

VERY EXPENSIVE OPTION: Go to a G club, and spend 10, 000 thb, go home alone.

[QUOTE=Chill Out;1143530]Syzig, I don't think Evianist was talking about price but about being able to say no to a girl with a bad attitude. Which, let's face it, is easier to do when you have 50 other girls eager to go with you a few steps away. There is some 'pleasure' or satisfaction involved in that. In real life you might put up with it (for a while at least) , in a gogo bar you don't have to. You have many options. It's part of the fun.[/QUOTE]Chill out,

I don't disagree with you that a girl with a bad attitude should not be chosen. My argument was about expecting to pay more for top quality.

I have been known to misunderstand badly, so I went back to read Evian again. Quoting him:

<Evianist wrote>
[i]Being comfortable and confident with oneself to the point where you're capable of saying no when the offer isn't all that great, no matter how attractive the woman is, is where the pleasure comes in.

If a very beautiful woman approaches you with the implication being "I have no interest in you as a person. I want you to overpay for me to give you a disinterested starfish performance. And I want you to like it." and you're capable of smiling and saying "No thank you." then you're in a good place mentally. [/i]
<end of quote>

Clearly (I think) the offer is not good means she wants too much money. He then assumes she will be a starfish but this is estimation based on her style. Her implied "bad attitude" clearly commenced with a high price asked for up front or very early on.

Look some of these girls are pretty good at summing up the customer. Very few girls even discuss the price with me. Maybe only 10%. They have an instinct that I will not be stingy or difficult in any way from my style and attitude. They can probably assess that some guys are likely to be on the stingy side, and its worth checking money deal early on, to avoid the girl wasting a lot of her time.

I can see that girls who are looking for extreme prices would be forced to discuss it. E appeared to be looking for rock bottom prices from all girls regardless of quality. Some guy's extreme price is not so extreme to me. I have no problem going 50% above standard rates for extra quality. If the girl is really ordinary at a basic price, I would probably not be interested. Any guy can get plenty of sex here, but to me quality is more important than the lowest price.

Many of these girls are looking for a good time but have not lost sight of trying to make good money as well.

[QUOTE=Syzygies; 1143836]I don't disagree with you that a girl with a bad attitude should not be chosen. My argument was about expecting to pay more for top quality.

I have been known to misunderstand badly, so I went back to read Evian again. [/quote]

You're misunderstanding very badly and turning it into the same boring price argument. Not really worth discussing it.

[quote]They have an instinct that I will not be stingy or difficult in any way from my style and attitude.[/quote]Style and attitude? What, do you wear silk shirts and gold chains and carry a monocle? Do you wink at the girls and do finger guns?

I'd love to hear an elaboration on this.

Ok, cheers for all the prompt advice. Seems Thailand is expensive, will be looking at Phil / Cambodia. Wouldn't mind stay in BKK for a few days.

As you say budget mongering would be : ST=1500-2000B. + Hotel Honey (1000B a night).

I'm not into SW. I haven't been in S Asia so don't know the scene. More like semi-pros in other part of the world. My impression is that its more dangerous in Thailand as the girls fuck 100s of guys. I heard that all the girls in Go-go bars are checked once a week for HIV / AIDS. Is this true? (I assume its the same for Phil / Cambodia gogo bars too) I prefer to stay on the safe side when over there and avoid SWs or clubs.

[QUOTE=Droplet;1143885]Ok, cheers for all the prompt advice. Seems Thailand is expensive, will be looking at Phil / Cambodia. Wouldn't mind stay in BKK for a few days.

As you say budget mongering would be : ST=1500-2000B. + Hotel Honey (1000B a night).

I'm not into SW. I haven't been in S Asia so don't know the scene. More like semi-pros in other part of the world. My impression is that its more dangerous in Thailand as the girls fuck 100s of guys. I heard that all the girls in Go-go bars are checked once a week for HIV / AIDS. Is this true? (I assume its the same for Phil / Cambodia gogo bars too) I prefer to stay on the safe side when over there and avoid SWs or clubs.[/QUOTE]

The situation in the tourist-oriented P4P venues of Bangkok is not representative of what it is in Thailand as a whole. Actually, if you are a newbie in the Land of Smiles, and want to have more fucks for your bucks, you should consider spending (most of) your money in Pattaya instead of Bangkok. While Bangkok has more high-end venues, the average quality in most bars is similar in Pattaya, but for approximately half the Bangkok prices.

Thailand is not dangerous for people who have a minimum of common sense.

About the providers' health checks, you should not put too much trust in them (anywhere). Just protect YOURSELF and use condoms PROPERLY, and then, you should be safe.

Hey Rockefeller, whats your point?

Now I'm really not one to go back more than a page or 2 if I'm traveling or are too lazy to log on but in your post just a little over 3 hours earlier (too recent for even me to miss) you were a big spender "looking and acting" rich and "not worrying about ever dollar" but a 900BHT barfine makes you cringe? That's roughly 9 bucks more at today's rate! Dude, I don't care at all what you do with your money (unlike many others here) or how much you do or do not spend but make up your friggin mind!

[QUOTE=Der Tourist; 1143768]Barfine 900 in Baccarra? Ouch! .

Just to clarify, if you take a girl early (when exactly is that?) you pay 900? That is a little expensive if you ask me. Especially since I AM early and try to make it between 8 and 9 so that I can see the hotties even if I like to spend a while looking and choosing before deciding. [/QUOTE][/QUOTE]I beg my pardon from those who will disagree but it much depends on [i]whose[/i] Report you're reading. There are two main kinds of mongers: those who count their money while looking for girls and those who aren't. I'm one who isn't (even though I am very far from being rich or even prosperous person even if I look and act like one while in Thailand). That much depends on your attitude and world-view. It depends on whether you want to get something here and now at any cost without worrying about every dollar you spend or whether you can go for a cheaper alternative and feel just as good while always staying within budget. It is up to you and not anyone else. So there is no "right" answer. [/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Droplet;1143885]I heard that all the girls in Go-go bars are checked once a week for HIV / AIDS. Is this true?[/QUOTE]We have a Thread for this already, you should try reading it as there is a lot of info about STDs in Thailand

[QUOTE=Der Tourist; 1143768]Barfine 900 in Baccarra? Ouch! .

Just to clarify, if you take a girl early (when exactly is that?) you pay 900? That is a little expensive if you ask me. Especially since I AM early and try to make it between 8 and 9 so that I can see the hotties even if I like to spend a while looking and choosing before deciding. [/QUOTE]They usually discourage the best girls from leaving the bar early to attract punters during happy hour.

But, if 900 thb barfine scares you, then stay far away from soi 33 bars.

I have never paid a BF in BKK. Why?

There are plenty of FL's, SW's, MP girls who will give you great service for 2 hours for 1000.

900 BF. That is crazy.

But, let me guess. The bars test the girls. Sure they do.

[QUOTE=The Pro; 1143751]BKK is no longer cheap, in fact its become the most expensive of all South East Asian countries and one of the most expensive Asian countries.

When you consider short time in Hong Kong (via 141) or Singapore with the many China girls is cheaper than you get in BKK for similar quality you know Thailand has become expensive.





Yeah, if you way over pay.

Show me one example of a 141 or Sing. Girl who will go for 2 hours ST for the standard ST rate in BKK of about $30 US.

[QUOTE=Luvpuss;1143954]Show me one example of a 141 or Sing. Girl who will go for 2 hours ST for the standard ST rate in BKK of about $30 US.[/QUOTE]$30 = 900 thb. That's low.

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy;1143966]$30 = 900 thb. That's low.[/QUOTE]Ok. The rate changed some since the last time I checked. It is now $33 or 1000 B.

I have never paid more than 1000 B ST in BKK. Never.

HK and Singapore is much higher than that.

[QUOTE=Luvpuss;1143994]... I have never paid more than 1000 B ST in BKK. Never...[/QUOTE]

Of course, it is still possible to pay 1000 bath ST (and even less than that) in Bangkok, for instance with freelancers. But on average, the quality (beauty) of the providers is much lower than it used to be several years ago. It's now a known fact among the local girls that many foreigners are willing to pay quite expensive (by Thai standards) fees for below average and even very low quality.

I have not recently visited Hong Kong and Singapore. Maybe P4P is actually more expensive on average there, but if the quality of providers is much better for your bucks, then, you might have to pay eventually more in Bangkok (again, on average) to get similar quality.

Yes, some stunners can be had even in Bangkok for 1000 baht ST, but it requires much more efforts and time than in the past (as more and more not very attractive girls are on the tourist-oriented P4P market), and that's one of the reasons why many newbies, plus the misinformed and lazy punters, are paying much more than that (again, on average) nowadays.

[QUOTE=Goyave; 1144020]Of course, it is still possible to pay 1000 bath ST (and even less than that) in Bangkok, for instance with freelancers. But on average, the quality (beauty) of the providers is much lower than it used to be several years ago. It's now a known fact among the local girls that many foreigners are willing to pay quite expensive (by Thai standards) fees for below average and even very low quality.

I have not recently visited Hong Kong and Singapore. Maybe P4P is actually more expensive on average there, but if the quality of providers is much better for your bucks, then, you might have to pay eventually more in Bangkok (again, on average) to get similar quality.

Yes, some stunners can be had even in Bangkok for 1000 baht ST, but it requires more efforts and more time than in the past (as more and more not very attractive girls are on the tourist-oriented P4P market) , and that's one of the reasons why many newbies, plus the misinformed and lazy punters, are paying much more than that (again, on average) nowadays. [/QUOTE]Yes. You explained it well actually.

I have been to HK and Sing. recently. I liked them both alot. But the prices are much higher, even for SW's. Anyone can check the 141 sites for prices. The qual. is not better. Not even close to a ST cost in BKK. Sing. The same.

My main point was that BKK is not the most expensive place in Asian, maybe not even in Thailand. Some would say that Phuket may even be higher.

[QUOTE=Der Tourist;1143713]The problem which we must not forget are drinks. They cost something like 200-300 baht each[/QUOTE]Prices mostly OK, but I've never seen 200-300 baht drinks except in boy gogos.

In cowboy drinks are from 60 baht happy hour beers to 100-150 baht regular drinks. Midnite prices normal drinks at 180, lady drink still 150.

Girl drinks mostly 150, although I guess you can get ripped for a double drink if you aren't paying attention.

At some of the smaller bars, you and the lady both drink for 90 baht.

[QUOTE=Goyave;1143765]Since Thais (and certain foreigners who patronize the Thai-oriented establishments) are paying only 1500-1600 baht ST[/QUOTE]That's what I pay in Cowboy / Nana / Patpong. OK, excluding barfine, but at the Thai joints if you want to relax a bit, it's hard to avoid racking up 300 or 400 in drinks, girl sitting fees, ice, cold towels and other odds and ends. In the farang places it's more convenient to get a whisky and survey the talent in peace.

[QUOTE=Evianist;1143785]ST: The girl will say 2000. Then you say 1500. Then she says OK.[/QUOTE]Yup, exactly.

[QUOTE=Evianist;1143785]I have gotten 1000 before (her offer, not mine)[/QUOTE]I get 1000 offered now and then. A couple of times that I remember at Long Gun. Once was a girl wanting me to take her again, another one was just looking to close a deal late.

[QUOTE=Goyave;1144020]I have not recently visited Hong Kong and Singapore. Maybe P4P is actually more expensive on average there, but if the quality of providers is much better for your bucks[/QUOTE]In Singapore the quality is mostly a step down from Bangkok gogos, for S$100 to S$150 for an hour, and more or less no chance of meeting the girl "outside". That's budget, there are tons of much more expensive options.

[QUOTE=Rocksoff; 1144045]Prices mostly OK, but I've never seen 200-300 baht drinks except in boy gogos.

In cowboy drinks are from 60 baht happy hour beers to 100-150 baht regular drinks. Midnite prices normal drinks at 180, lady drink still 150.

Girl drinks mostly 150, although I guess you can get ripped for a double drink if you aren't paying attention.

At some of the smaller bars, you and the lady both drink for 90 baht. [/QUOTE]Sorry it was not my intention to misinform anyone. I think I remember now the drinks being 180. Of course I mean evening (I. E. Past 20:00) and bars like Rainbow 4 or Baccara. Still it adds up if you're not careful. .

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy; 1143947]They usually discourage the best girls from leaving the bar early to attract punters during happy hour.

But, if 900 thb barfine scares you, then stay far away from soi 33 bars. [/QUOTE]I guess there is no way I'd stay away from Soi Cowboy and Nana even if the barfine would be my own kidney. I have money to splash which was put away for exactly this purpose and it will be splashed to the penny. Only that it's good to get updated in order to avoid any surprises on the spot. If they would ask me a 900 thb barfine when I expect a 600 thb, I may think they're trying to scam me which is much worse than just paying extra. It makes me upset and feel humiliated. Now I know it's probably normal there and wouldn't mind much.

Also, sorry for being a pain but you didn't answer my question quite clearly. Is Baccara barfine always 900thb early and what exactly is "early"? I'll defintiely hit Baccara at least twice or so, so it'd be good to know the current price and situation.

[QUOTE=Der Tourist; 1144111]I guess there is no way I'd stay away from Soi Cowboy and Nana even if the barfine would be my own kidney. I have money to splash which was put away for exactly this purpose and it will be splashed to the penny. Only that it's good to get updated in order to avoid any surprises on the spot. If they would ask me a 900 thb barfine when I expect a 600 thb, I may think they're trying to scam me which is much worse than just paying extra. It makes me upset and feel humiliated. Now I know it's probably normal there and wouldn't mind much.

Also, sorry for being a pain but you didn't answer my question quite clearly. Is Baccara barfine always 900thb early and what exactly is "early"? I'll defintiely hit Baccara at least twice or so, so it'd be good to know the current price and situation. [/QUOTE]Mind if I ask why you go to these places and pay for drinks, BF, and higher rates for these girls. I know you are not alone, but what is the attraction for you?
I am sure you know there are lots of other options.

[QUOTE=Rocksoff;1144054]In Singapore the quality is mostly a step down from Bangkok gogos.[/QUOTE]Good point Rocksoff. But how does Singapore compare the Bangkok in terms of freelancers? I met a girl in Bangkok who also "works" in Singapore. Although she was stunning. She seemed to resent the Filipinas competing with her in Singapore. She said they were able to "go with man more" because the Filipina girls spoke english well.

[QUOTE=Droplet; 1143647]Hi, I'm planning a trip to Thailand sometime soon, have been RTFF, gone back over 20 pages. I have a few newbie questions some respectful memebrs could clarify:

1) How it works in Thailand seems to be get a GF hotel. (still need to read this section, advice welcome). Go to Soi Cowboy or Nana's and find a girl. The question is to do with prices because reports seem to vary a lot:

ST = 3 hours? Where you can cum a few times. Price = 1000B?

LT= whole night Price=1500B?

2) Does it cost anthing to enter the bars? Ie you can bar hop for free? Bar fine I gather is about 5-600B.

3) I heard reports about LB and ex-guys. Presumely if you pick someone from the gogo bars your safe.

In all, it costs 1500 including bar fine for 3 hours to bring your girl back to your hotel?

Thanks, [/QUOTE]About girl friendly hotels, I would recommend all of the recently built properties owned by compass hospitality, excellent value, no hassles getting the girl back home and and o charge, totally safe, and tip the night guard a small amount everyday and he will guard you against all LB's, I would recommend- admiral premier, legacy suites, kingston suites or any other newer ones from their web site, rooms are classy fit the budget, proximity close to sukhumvit, all is good.

[QUOTE=Luvpuss; 1144147]Mind if I ask why you go to these places and pay for drinks, BF, and higher rates for these girls. I know you are not alone, but what is the attraction for you?

I am sure you know there are lots of other options. [/QUOTE]I know there are other options and I will try them as well. I will be going to Nataree massage and perhaps try to find some sweet creature on the street near Nana hotel or elsewhere on the street. Each "option" of having hookers is exciting and attractive to me in its own way. And it has nothing to do with the price. It's all about psychological satisfaction. If I wanted to only get a hooker I would manage to find one here in London for £150-200 an hour and perhaps even get very decent service instead of spending £2000 for each of my trips to Asia (it is alot of money to me). And yet I do it and feel perhaps 100x more satisfied.

Different people are attracted and excited by very different things. Look at people's hobbies. Some people spend piles of cash on such hobbies as fishing. And to me it sounds like the most boring thing on earth. I love taking photos of buildings, cars and roads while my mother thinks it's only for mentaly unstable people. .

When it comes to sex, for instance, I love 69 and licking a pretty girls ass (even if she's a working girl). It is hugely satisfying to me. However, some people I know think it is disgusting because "so many other men sticked their dicks there". So it's all about person's personal perception and feelings rather than something objectively true.

Same with expensive go-go bars which are indeed an attraction in itself. To me (and I don't mean it has to be the same for all) It feels good to be in a place packed with 100+ girls in bikinis, among whom there are some very hot ones, and knowing that you'll be banging one of them tonight. It's a good feeling. It's like going to a meat shop while being very hungry and thinking of the steak or Schnitzel you will be making that night from one of those juicy slices of meat to satisfy your hungry stomach. . Therefore there is no such thing as "overpaying" for a go-go bar or any other kind of establishment as long as you genuinely enjoy it (unless, of course, there is some scam involved) and it provides you with a service of happiness.

And how many of us here have iPhones, Macs and other Apple devices? Well, in my opinion, those people overpay about 50-100%. Or are they? Depends how you look at it: just plain specs and comparisons or the whole "experience"? I used to discount the experience factor but I'm starting to understand how important it actually is. Perhaps more important than the technical factors.

Anyway, mind you, I travel to Asia once a year at best (and usually Thailand takes only 1/2 of the total time spent in this continent). If I did it more often (at least 2-3 times a year) or lived in the place, I would probably have a very different attitude and would be up for experimenting. For the time being, however, I need to get enough of the mainstream stuff before turning to the expert / underground / pro / you name it.

A lot of fun can be had in BKK and at different prices:

The low budget kind: 350 thb.

Go to chinatown and have FS for 300 thb from a street girl there, she will go to her place so no need to pay for ST Room. The extra 50 thb is for Condoms. However I guess they would not be mandatory.

The Expensive kind: 5, 500 thb.

3 or 4 drinks for you and your girl@a well known NEP or SC spot, Barfine, LT and drinks in the room.

The high Roller Kind: 13, 000 thb.

Go to a G Club with a Friend and order a couple botles, mixers and girls. With Lady drinks, will be about 9, 000 thb. The Girl fee will be about 4, 000 thb (and she will meet you somewhere because they are not allowed to leave with customers)

[QUOTE=Der Tourist; 1144163]I know there are other options and I will try them as well. I will be going to Nataree massage and perhaps try to find some sweet creature on the street near Nana hotel or elsewhere on the street. Each "option" of having hookers is exciting and attractive to me in its own way. And it has nothing to do with the price. It's all about psychological satisfaction. If I wanted to only get a hooker I would manage to find one here in London for £150-200 an hour and perhaps even get very decent service instead of spending £2000 for each of my trips to Asia (it is alot of money to me). And yet I do it and feel perhaps 100x more satisfied.

Different people are attracted and excited by very different things. Look at people's hobbies. Some people spend piles of cash on such hobbies as fishing. And to me it sounds like the most boring thing on earth. I love taking photos of buildings, cars and roads while my mother thinks it's only for mentaly unstable people. .

When it comes to sex, for instance, I love 69 and licking a pretty girls ass (even if she's a working girl). It is hugely satisfying to me. However, some people I know think it is disgusting because "so many other men sticked their dicks there". So it's all about person's personal perception and feelings rather than something objectively true.

Same with expensive go-go bars which are indeed an attraction in itself. To me (and I don't mean it has to be the same for all) It feels good to be in a place packed with 100+ girls in bikinis, among whom there are some very hot ones, and knowing that you'll be banging one of them tonight. It's a good feeling. It's like going to a meat shop while being very hungry and thinking of the steak or Schnitzel you will be making that night from one of those juicy slices of meat to satisfy your hungry stomach. . Therefore there is no such thing as "overpaying" for a go-go bar or any other kind of establishment as long as you genuinely enjoy it (unless, of course, there is some scam involved) and it provides you with a service of happiness.

And how many of us here have iPhones, Macs and other Apple devices? Well, in my opinion, those people overpay about 50-100. Or are they? Depends how you look at it: just plain specs and comparisons or the whole "experience"? I used to discount the experience factor but I'm starting to understand how important it actually is. Perhaps more important than the technical factors.

Anyway, mind you, I travel to Asia once a year at best (and usually Thailand takes only 1/2 of the total time spent in this continent). If I did it more often (at least 2-3 times a year) or lived in the place, I would probably have a very different attitude and would be up for experimenting. For the time being, however, I need to get enough of the mainstream stuff before turning to the expert / underground / pro / you name it. [/QUOTE]OK. You bring up some good points for you.

I just don't like the hustle of the gogo / bar scene. I have been to BKK 6 times now. I walked into one of them for 5 minutes once and realized it is not my scene. To each their own.

PS: I bet a lot of us like 69 and licking pussy/ass. A session would not be complete to me without it. :)

[QUOTE=Rocksoff;1144047]That's what I pay in Cowboy / Nana / Patpong. OK, excluding barfine, but at the Thai joints if you want to relax a bit, it's hard to avoid racking up 300 or 400 in drinks, girl sitting fees, ice, cold towels and other odds and ends. In the farang places it's more convenient to get a whisky and survey the talent in peace.[/QUOTE]In Thai go-go bars, the modus operandi is indeed different (and you have to make your choice early or almost immediately go to another establishment if you haven't seen someone attractive enough when you entered the place), but it's rather interesting (IMHO) for the punters who can speak at least some basic Thai and who know the ropes, especially if they want to pick up an attractive girl for a long-time session. You have to stay several hours with the girl before the sitting fees in the Thai go-go bars amount the average barfine that is charged by tourist-oriented establishments, and the drinks are much cheaper on average in the places patronized by the locals. Last but not least, on average again, the girls working in the Thai go-go bars are much more attractive (at least to my eyes and those of many long-term residents) than the girls that one can get usually in tourist-oriented places for the same (and often more than that) amount of money spent (although, the services provided are often better, again on average, with girls picked up in the tourist-oriented places).

But that was not my main point. Some people here were saying that one has to pay 4000 baht (not including the barfine and lady drinks) for a LT session with an attractive girl in Bangkok and implying that the punters who are paying less are "cheapos". Some ISG members wrote that people who are not willing to pay as much as them end up with "ugly girls". I'm tired of reading those ridiculous, derogative and (mostly) untrue statements (some people have, IMHO, a poor taste in girls, but quite often, it's not related with the amount of money spent). The locals pay much less than that for (on average) more attractive women. As foreigners, it's normal that we pay a bit more for similar quality as our girls usually can speak at least some basic English and above all, they often perform better (I would say that paying about 25% more than the locals is reasonable). But we should not pay twice as them or more, especially for girls that are much less attractive, older, fatter, have stretch marks, etc.

[QUOTE=Der Tourist;1144163]It feels good to be in a place packed with 100+ girls in bikinis, among whom there are some very hot ones, and knowing that you'll be banging one of them tonight.[/QUOTE]I can relate. To me go-gos are fun. It's part of the experience. I enjoy paying for my beer and looking at beautiful women and playing with them as they walk around.

[QUOTE=Goyave;1143765]Thais (and certain foreigners who patronize the Thai-oriented establishments) are paying only 1500-1600 baht ST or 2000-2100 baht LT for (on average) much more attractive girls picked-up in the Thai go-go bars located in Bangkok[/QUOTE]Where are those establishments? Why don't we hear about them more in this thread?

[QUOTE=Evianist;1143785]LT: The girl will say 3000-4000. You should bargain to 2500-3000.[/QUOTE]Have you managed to get that in the better bars eg Tilac, Shark, Bacara, the Rainbows etc?

[QUOTE=Chill Out;1144261]Have you managed to get that in the better bars eg Tilac, Shark, Bacara, the Rainbows etc?[/QUOTE]It can be had, depending on the time of night and wether the girl had a ST before or not already.

Best is not to discuss price (for me) , take them to the hotel and have sex. If they want to leave after ST, then give them 1500 and if they stay LT, then 3000. The Majority will be happy with that.

If you take very pretty girls and taje them out early, then they will not make enough money on the Drinks and tips (yes, many people do tip the girls) so she might be more expensive.

[QUOTE=Chill Out;1144261]Where are those establishments? Why don't we hear about them more in this thread?...[/QUOTE]
Search "Saphan Kwai" in this thread and you should find a few reports. Don't forget that you should speak at least some basic Thai (or be accompanied by someone who does) and know how to behave among the locals in places that are not tourist-oriented.

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy;1144263]... Best is not to discuss price (for me), take them to the hotel and have sex...[/QUOTE]
I ALWAYS agree on price and services that will be provided BEFOREHAND (when possible, of course). It avoids any misunderstanding and then you are more likely to pay a reasonable fee (and get what you pay for).

If you don't discuss the price beforehand, you might have a bad surprise at the end of the session with some girls who overestimate their own value (or who have their own idea of what the session should include or not and how long they must stay with you, etc.), unless, of course, you are willing to overpay every time (also to avoid drama), regardless of the quality of the session.

IMHO, it's more efficient to negotiate a reasonable fee beforehand and to explain that you might give a good tip at the end of the session, depending on the girl's performance.

I tend to agree on price beforehand too, but I assume Nic speaks from his long experience. There are many ways to go about it, I suppose. I would have thought that if you took a girl from one of those established places, where everyone knows the "usual" quote is around 4, 000 LT, and you don't discuss price at all, then the girl would feel like price was not an issue and then feel cheated if you offered 3, 000 in the morning. Doesn't that happen, Nic?

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy;1144263]The Majority will be happy with that.[/QUOTE]LOL! Any funny stories with the few girls that weren't happy.

I hate drama. That's why I usually negotiate acts and price beforehand.

[QUOTE=Der Tourist;1144163]Same with expensive go-go bars which are indeed an attraction in itself. To me (and I don't mean it has to be the same for all) It feels good to be in a place packed with 100+ girls in bikinis, among whom there are some very hot ones, and knowing that you'll be banging one of them tonight. It's a good feeling. It's like going to a meat shop while being very hungry and thinking of the steak or Schnitzel you will be making that night from one of those juicy slices of meat to satisfy your hungry stomach. .[/QUOTE]You are kind of a poet!

Yes, Songkran is here. Nana Plaza and environs are very wet. You have been warned.

(Great fun for the girls, and I'm happy to see everyone enjoying themselves. But what pleasure does a 30-something farang get from standing in the streeet with a giant water pistol squirting complete strangers? Back home someone would thump him).

[quote=mouse1; 1144338]yes, songkran is here. Nana plaza and environs are very wet. You have been warned.

(great fun for the girls, and i'm happy to see everyone enjoying themselves. But what pleasure does a 30-something farang get from standing in the streeet with a giant water pistol squirting complete strangers? Back home someone would thump him). [/quote]lets get ready to rummmmble!

[QUOTE=Goyave;1144268]IMHO, it's more efficient to negotiate a reasonable fee beforehand and to explain that you might give a good tip at the end of the session, depending on the girl's performance.[/QUOTE]I used to think and do the same, but then over the years I have changed. I do not discuss prices and just Go with the Flow. Sometimes discussing price just breaks the mood. I don't know how to explain that but if you go to a gogo and have great fun with a girl, then have to bicker for 20mn about the services she has to offer and how long she's going to stay. With the language barrier. Forget it.

No matter what you agree beforehand, if she wants to leave early, she will, if she does not want to do Anal anymore, she won't and there is nothing you can do about that. Except try to argue and then the drama will start.

For me, the best way is to Go with the Flow, you see the girl you like. You barfine her and then take her to the hotel. You may discuss ST or LT but Always better to do ST and if she's good, then ask her to stay the night.

If you negotiate LT and the girl sucks. You're fucked. Or you have to kick her out early.

My pricing is always 2, 000 ST and 3, 000 LT (I give less if the girls were Bad: 1, 500 ST and kick her out, No need for LT there.)

Girls are usually happy with that, no money is discussed, I put it in their purse or pants, they check it and kiss and leave.

But that's just me. Whatever works for you is good.

[QUOTE=Mouse1; 1144338]Yes, Songkran is here. Nana Plaza and environs are very wet. You have been warned.

(Great fun for the girls, and I'm happy to see everyone enjoying themselves. But what pleasure does a 30-something farang get from standing in the streeet with a giant water pistol squirting complete strangers? Back home someone would thump him). [/QUOTE]Fuck me, I'd thump him in BKK if the guy would spray me and I am in my suit. But I know better than to mix with the shit that happens in prostitute areas during songkran.

Have fun with the peasants, I'll be home and dry waiting for the madness to stop.

Oh, and by the way, already 40 people died today. Great way to start songkran eh?

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy;1144379]... Sometimes discussing price just breaks the mood. I don't know how to explain that but if you go to a gogo and have great fun with a girl, then have to bicker for 20mn about the services she has to offer and how long she's going to stay. With the language barrier. Forget it...[/QUOTE]
Discussion about the price should not be a problem (and it doesn't last more than 5 minutes usually), especially if you have a good chemistry with the girl. The language barrier is usually not an issue (as the working girls learn quite quickly the necessary P4P vocabulary), and if it is already an issue before making the deal, then, you might have other more serious misunderstandings later, so, it is probably wiser (IMHO) to reconsider your options, then.

I am not comfortable with "up to you" deals or unspecified fees. At the end of the day (or of the night!), it's a commercial transaction, and it's better (again, IMHO) when the deal is clear for both parties.

At least, that's how I see things and proceed, and yes, it works very well for me...

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy; 1144379]. But then over the years I have changed. I do not discuss prices and just Go with the Flow.

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My pricing is always 2, 000 ST and 3, 000 LT (I give less if the girls were Bad: 1, 500 ST and kick her out, No need for LT there.) Girls are usually happy with that, no money is discussed, . [/QUOTE]Nic,

I concur completely, except that I vary the payment a bit more depending on how hot, how good, how long, etc.

I. E. Try to be very fair and reward for doing great.

90% this procedure works great for me. When it wasn't great its usually just the girl is not skilled enough.

I mostly agree with you. My experience is just that it's mostly a myth that the local Thai places in Bangkok are much cheaper or have prettier girls than the farang-oriented places.

[QUOTE=Goyave;1144190]In Thai go-go bars, the modus operandi is indeed different (and you have to make your choice early or almost immediately go to another establishment if you haven't seen someone attractive enough when you entered the place),[/QUOTE]Yes. And it's much less convenient to get a quick overview.

[QUOTE=Goyave;1144190]but it's rather interesting (IMHO) for the punters who can speak at least some basic Thai and who know the ropes[/QUOTE]Absolutely.

[QUOTE=Goyave;1144190]and the drinks are much cheaper on average in the places patronized by the locals.[/QUOTE]Not really if you want to go to a few different bars. You can get a big beer for 120b or so, or you can get a bottle of whisky, I think the cheapest won't be less than 600b. So it's cheaper if you want to stay in one place and drink.

[QUOTE=Goyave;1144190]But that was not my main point. Some people here were saying that one has to pay 4000 baht (not including the barfine and lady drinks) for a LT session with an attractive girl in Bangkok and implying that the punters who are paying less are "cheapos". Some ISG members wrote that people who are not willing to pay as much as them end up with "ugly girls". I'm tired of reading those ridiculous, derogative and (mostly) untrue statements (some people have, IMHO, a poor taste in girls, but quite often, it's not related with the amount of money spent).[/QUOTE]With these sentiments I fully agree.

[QUOTE=Goyave;1144190]In Thai go-go bars, the modus operandi is indeed different (and you have to make your choice early or almost immediately go to another establishment if you haven't seen someone attractive enough when you entered the place), but it's rather interesting (IMHO) for the punters who can speak at least some basic Thai and who know the ropes, especially if they want to pick up an attractive girl for a long-time session.[/QUOTE]Why is it necessary to choose so quickly? I can speak Thai but I like to have time to observe before I decide if I like anyone enough. What if you choose and the chemistry is not good? I do speak Thai just fine.

[QUOTE=Llantarnam; 1143507]There are plenty of 9's and 10's about. Trouble is they all advertise on web sites that charge 6k a pop.

If you're like me (midle aged and ugly) be thankful for what you can get. [/QUOTE]Are you sure? Or just very good photoshop.

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy; 1143738]Funny how a few cheapos can influence the newbies and lure them into Thinking BKK is a Cheap Paradise. Then the said Newbies arrive in NaNa and Cowboy and is in for a rude Awakening:

[email]Drinks@150.[/email]

Barfines at 600 to 900 (Baccara early)

[email]ST@2000[/email] For 1 shot

[email]LT@4000[/email] And the girl tries to pull a "friend needs me so I leave after 3 hours" scam.

In my opinion, there is ST to be had in BKK for 1000 (even 300 if you want) but not in the bars. Go to BG7 or Nana Car Park.

If you are on a tight budget, I suggest you avoid Patpong, Cowboy, Nana.

Get your Drinks and [email]Food@7[/email]/11 and pull girls from Beergarden or Nana Carpark or Sukh Streetwalkers. [/QUOTE]Nic do you really pay 2k ST 4k LT, just seems overpriced to me.

[QUOTE=Goyave;1144190]Some people here were saying that one has to pay 4000 baht (not including the barfine and lady drinks) for a LT session with an attractive girl in Bangkok and implying that the punters who are paying less are "cheapos". Some ISG members wrote that people who are not willing to pay as much as them end up with "ugly girls". I'm tired of reading those ridiculous, derogative and (mostly) untrue statements (some people have, IMHO, a poor taste in girls, but quite often, it's not related with the amount of money spent). The locals pay much less than that for (on average) more attractive women. As foreigners, it's normal that we pay a bit more for similar quality as our girls usually can speak at least some basic English and above all, they often perform better (I would say that paying about 25% more than the locals is reasonable). But we should not pay twice as them or more, especially for girls that are much less attractive, older, fatter, have stretch marks, etc.[/QUOTE]Some of the implications you are reading in do not seem that logical. They seem rather extreme beyond the bounds.

Its fine if you get a good looking girl for a cheap price. I heard of girls going to discos in Ratchada to sell themselves for just 500 Baht. Doesn't mean you have to knock back a georgous girl, just because she was slightly dearer. You want the cheapest or you want the best, or a compromise?

There is obviously a great variation in what appeals to different guys. I see a lot of Farangs going with girls that don't appeal to me at all. Yes many many working girls look really plain / average. Very few are really pretty to stunning IMHO. Its not fair to call all the average/plain girls "ugly".

I admit to taking girls that are not quite magnficently pretty, if they have hotish bodies. Yes lots of punters are doing this and calling the girls very pretty. I am not so delusional that I don't know that my girl is not really stunning. Its hard to find the really pretty ones available at short notice. There are a fair number of girls with acceptable looks (not plain). Still many Farangs take the ones that are plain to my taste. Others have found super girls from somewhere.

Clearly evaluating looks is just a matter of opinion, but can anyone deny that there are lots of girls that are just average or not that interesting? They can't all be hot! I still think the super hot and pretty girls are unlikely to come at rock bottom prices. They would have to be dumb not to realise that they are in demand.

I do absolutely agree you can do better for price based on the location you go to find the girls. I go to Thai Soapies too, so I know what the Thai men are going for (and I don't always go for it too). Thais like fake looks more than I do.

Look I must be really picky, because I have been into many bars with Coyote dancers and found only a small percentage of these to be pretty. I appreciate that some guys out there are just not that fussy with face looks. I admit I often go with girls that look pleasant rather than really pretty, but I would take the really pretty one if one was available and reasonable chemistry. I got a quite pretty one in Midnite the other day and had a fantastic time. She wanted slightly more than average ST but no problem, as I considered she was definitely a cut well above the normal girls, and turned out to be really hot for it too.

Sorry if I am raving. To make my opinion real clear. I don't believe one price fits all. If I believe a girl is really special, I am prepared to pay a bit more. I am surprised that some would give up a super girl just because she wants a percentage more. I can see everyone has price limits based on what they can afford. I also do not take girls if I think the price is ridiculous and they are just not worth it.

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy; 1144379]I used to think and do the same, but then over the years I have changed. I do not discuss prices and just Go with the Flow. Sometimes discussing price just breaks the mood. I don't know how to explain that but if you go to a gogo and have great fun with a girl, then have to bicker for 20mn about the services she has to offer and how long she's going to stay. With the language barrier. Forget it.

No matter what you agree beforehand, if she wants to leave early, she will, if she does not want to do Anal anymore, she won't and there is nothing you can do about that. Except try to argue and then the drama will start.

For me, the best way is to Go with the Flow, you see the girl you like. You barfine her and then take her to the hotel. You may discuss ST or LT but Always better to do ST and if she's good, then ask her to stay the night.

If you negotiate LT and the girl sucks. You're fucked. Or you have to kick her out early.

My pricing is always 2, 000 ST and 3, 000 LT (I give less if the girls were Bad: 1, 500 ST and kick her out, No need for LT there.)

Girls are usually happy with that, no money is discussed, I put it in their purse or pants, they check it and kiss and leave.

But that's just me. Whatever works for you is good. [/QUOTE]Good point. I have always been told by friends and read online that one should arrange the price before going with the girl. So I did almost every time when in Bangkok or Phuket. However during my last time in 2009 once I simply forgot to do that with one Rainbow 4 girl. I thought shit what's now. And, well, nothing. Of course, I asked her at the end before she left my hotel room and the answer was "up to you" which means I gave her 2000 for ST.

I don't mind asking beforehead and many girls would just tell you the price anyway (sometimes they do it kind of automatically as a routine) but sometimes it may just feel a little uncomfortable if they don't say the price by their initiative. Especially if you're trying to play a nice guy. If you see that the girl is nice and she seems to like you then it's probably a good idea not to ask the price or at least not directly and just leave it for the best chance if not until the very end. Good point about the LT and negotiation. It's good not to get obliged to go LT because sometimes it may happen that you'll want to change your mind. And if you leave more leverage to yourself by not specifying that you want LT and the girl is good then you may have a better chance to make her stay LT and perhaps even get better service. Anyway, I think we completely agree on this topic. .

[QUOTE=Jerboa;1144482]Nic do you really pay 2k ST 4k LT, just seems overpriced to me.[/QUOTE]Yes I do if the girl performs well (and for me it's 2 shots) and LT is about 5 shots.

But I rarely go to the bars, I find them boring.

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy; 1144539]Yes I do if the girl performs well (and for me it's 2 shots) and LT is about 5 shots.

But I rarely go to the bars, I find them boring. [/QUOTE]Five shots in a night?

WTF are you eating man?

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy;1144539]Yes I do if the girl performs well (and for me it's 2 shots) and LT is about 5 shots.[/QUOTE]Remind me again who wrote this:

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy;1139517]Sorry but I am not a fan of fucking just for the sake of fucking. And Doing 4 shots in a row, the 4th shot is painful as very hard to cum and very little "Feeling".[/QUOTE]

Now that's what I call dedication to the hobby above and beyond. :)

[QUOTE=Luvpuss; 1144559]Five shots in a night?

WTF are you eating man? [/QUOTE]Not every night, but it's very possible.

I won't name names, but there is a Regular member here that can make that in a 2 hours session. And that I can't do.

I can do 3 in the evening and 2 in the morning. Then I have to rest for 3 days

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy; 1143821]Apologies about the poor choice of word. I wanted to stir the pot a little, not offend anyone.

Bangkok can be as expensive or as Cheap as you want it to be.

CHEAP OPTION: stay in a moderate hotel, use Streetwalkers and freelancers (500 1, 000 ST) or Chinatown (300 ST)

MODERATE OPTION: Stay in Moderate Hotel, use BG7, Small Beer Bars (1, 000 ST)

REGULAR OPTION: Stay in a 2, 500 thb hotel, use Nana or Cowboy or Any Oily or soapy (min 1, 500 ST + barfine or massage fee)

EXPENSIVE OPTION: Stay in a 4 star, use Nana or Cowboy, buy drinks, go to model class soapies.

VERY EXPENSIVE OPTION: Go to a G club, and spend 10, 000 thb, go home alone. [/QUOTE]Hi Nic,

Firstly thankyou for all of your informative quotes. I wanted to ask you a question that has bugged me for a few years.

I probably fall into the REGULAR / EXPENSIVE band here. I can easily see that some of the ladies, total stunners, can charge 3, 000 thb for LT and that if she is not quite such a beauty she may charge 2, 000 thb.

What does confuse me is the huge range of Barfines. I paid 500 thb a few days ago at The Cabin. On my first trip to BKK I paid 1, 500 (if I remember correctly) at Livingstones. And other bars have charges prices anywhere in between.

I tend to stay safe and only go to "nice" bars and in reality they are all pleasant places to spend a few hours.

So why the big difference, any ideas?

BB

[quote=jerboa; 1144482]are you sure? or just very good photoshop.

nic do you really pay 2k st 4k lt, just seems overpriced to me. [/quote]jerboa,

if you review his post he never said 4k lt, even if he did that is drop in the bucket for a guy that is living and bringing in six figures at month. from what i read this guy might be throwing his weight around but not the baht.

his style is sound for a guy in his position. i myself never bring up the topic of st / lt unless the girl does. i have so much time on my hand that i take things slower than a turtle. it isn't just chemistry but i interview them during the time i spend with them just through general conversation and not making a decision during the time they are [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord125][CodeWord125][/url] me in the chair. there are many times when we get back to the room i feel i'm [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord125][CodeWord125][/url] them and that isn't something i like to do. as some will attest it could take months before i decide to take them. now that's picky!

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy;1144379]I used to think and do the same, but then over the years I have changed. I do not discuss prices and just Go with the Flow. Sometimes discussing price just breaks the mood.[/QUOTE]I have learned to go with the flow as well. I won't talk about price unless the girl brings it up first. This has never failed me since I have taken on the philosophy. Afterwards they are always grateful for what I gave them, and I'm a Cheap Charlie. As for ST / LT, there is no need for discussion as well. My automatic default is ST during the day and up until 9pm and LT if I picked her up from 9pm to 6am (unless it's an SW with whom I usually only want one shot).

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1144622]I won't talk about price[/QUOTE]Interesting modus operundi considering your talking w / a saleswomen.

Ps just so everything else knows (especially you new bees) , this is EXTREMELY poor advice; ALWAYS agree upon "how much" before you begin the "walk of shame"

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;1144610]have so much time on my hand that I take things slower than a turtle. -- As some will attest it could take months before I decide to take them. Now that's picky![/QUOTE]You are a true man of leisure! That is the privilege of experience and living in Thailand. Well done! :)

[QUOTE=Mouse1;1144572]Remind me again who wrote this[/QUOTE]Missed the point of your post

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;1144610]I have so much time on my hand that I take things slower than a turtle.[/QUOTE]Careful, someone might barfine the girl before you do if you're too slow.

And if you wait for months. She might find a husband and leave the industry. Hehehe.

If money is no object, then Barfine the girl you like immediately. She will change and come with you. You can either ask her to stay in the bar until you come back for her, or she goes bar hopping with you. If you find a better one, tell the first one to go. She will happily return to her bar and get another customer.

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy; 1144578]Not every night, but it's very possible.

I won't name names, but there is a Regular member here that can make that in a 2 hours session. [/QUOTE]The girls call him the machine gun! Ah! Ah!

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy;1144637]Missed the point of your post[/QUOTE]Don't come over all Gallic now. My point wasn't very profound: in one post you say a typical LT for you involves 5 shots. In an earlier post you said the 4th shot and onwards is not very pleasurable. My offhand remark was that this shows great dedication.

Only my feeble English sense of humor, I'm afraid. No big deal, you don't need to laboriously explain that you were probably talking about different timeframes.

[QUOTE=Fon Tok;1144626]You are a true man of leisure! That is the privilege of experience and living in Thailand. Well done! :)[/QUOTE]Thanks! It isn't so must living in Thailand. I can tell you I have had my share of dry beef jerky! I have paid my dues and will continue to do so as long as I'm here! The truth hurts but it's part of life here! Now I practice mind over the little head and he doesn't like that I'm winning majority of the battles.

Enjoy! LBM

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy; 1144641]Careful, someone might barfine the girl before you do if you're too slow.

And if you wait for months. She might find a husband and leave the industry. Hehehe.

If money is no object, then Barfine the girl you like immediately. She will change and come with you. You can either ask her to stay in the bar until you come back for her, or she goes bar hopping with you. If you find a better one, tell the first one to go. She will happily return to her bar and get another customer. [/QUOTE]A. If she does I wish I had the opportunity to had wish her good luck. For it's easy come easy go and it's my lost but tommorrow there will be a new girl wearing or old number or sitting in her old stool.

B. I have lots of time but no patient for playing lots of game. I enjoy them treat them like they are my first love even give them oil massages but the last thing I'm going to do is go bar hopping with them I rather buy them a Thai meal give them a good buzz and then fuck them until their legs goes limp!

That's all folks! LBM

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;1144682]the last thing I'm going to do is go bar hopping with them I rather buy them a Thai meal give them a good buzz and then fuck them until their legs goes limp![/QUOTE]You might be missing out on something. Last time I took a girl bar hopping, I ended up in a threesome. But that's another story and that's not one I will share with everyone here.

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy;1144692]You might be missing out on something. Last time I took a girl bar hopping, I ended up in a threesome. But that's another story and that's not one I will share with everyone here.[/QUOTE]Why not? Did they take pictures of you? ;)

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy;1144692]You might be missing out on something. Last time I took a girl bar hopping, I ended up in a threesome. But that's another story and that's not one I will share with everyone here.[/QUOTE]Well Well, why bring it up? Since you did if you don't give me the story I will never know what I'm missing?

I got time and you can't go out the next few days so be my guess?

LBM

[QUOTE=Fon Tok;1144697]Why not? Did they take pictures of you? ;)[/QUOTE]No, that is a story I can only tell to people I have met (you being one of them) hehehe

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;1144732]I got time and you can't go out the next few days so be my guess?[/QUOTE]Well I was out, but not to areas where I run the risk of being wet.

Day 1: The party begins.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1144479]Why is it necessary to choose so quickly? I can speak Thai but I like to have time to observe before I decide if I like anyone enough. What if you choose and the chemistry is not good? I do speak Thai just fine.[/QUOTE]
Of course, it is possible to act slightly differently, but the common practice in the Thai-oriented places is that you first choose one or several girls who then, will entertain you, pour your drinks, etc. In those places, the owners don't earn much on drinks, but you are charged a (reasonable) "sitting fee" based on the time spent with the girl(s). So, that's why you are expected to choose (relatively) quickly at least one girl when you intend to stay some time in those places.

If there is no good chemistry with the girl you've chosen, it is, of course, still possible to change (or to get an additional girl), but it's not always the best thing to do (mostly because of the "face issue" in Thailand) as your "second choice" will know, well... that she was not your first selection (yes, [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Song_of_la_Palice"]Jacques de la Palice[/url] was a Frenchman too)! That's why it's often better (IMHO) to go to another place if there is no good chemistry with your first option.

[QUOTE=Rocksoff;1144477]... Not really if you want to go to a few different bars...[/QUOTE]

I agree with most of your points, Rocksoff, but drinks are objectively cheaper in Thai go-go bars: you can get (for instance) a large beer for less than what you usually pay for a small one in tourist-oriented places (on average).

IMHO, the girls are much more attractive (again, on average) in Thai establishments. It's, of course, a question of personal taste, but for me, I would say that most girls (about 85%) that I see in tourist-oriented places are unattractive, while most (about 70%) of those who work in Thai go-go bars are very cute. They are also (on average) younger, with a fairer skin, not fat, etc. I don't say that you can't find nice ones for a reasonable fee in tourist-oriented places, but it requires more time, more efforts and also more luck. But admittedly, the girls working on the tourist-oriented P4P market are usually better performers (again on average and IMHO).

It's true that the Thai go-go bars are not that interesting for those who are into bar-hopping (which is not my case). I'm not a heavy drinker (of alcoholic beverages) and I'd rather (carefully) choose one place to stay and find a pleasant companion there, preferably for a LT session later (starting not too much late).

For ST sessions, freelancers are much better value (IMHO), but it also requires more patience and "dedication" to find a decent one (then, I have to visit several places, but yet, I prefer going to several places where I can find freelancers instead of going to numerous tourist-oriented bars). As a long-term resident in the Land of Smiles, I don't like the tourist-oriented bars very much nowadays: they are very "un-Thai" if you understand what I mean here. Girls (not all of them, of course, but many) are often noisy, pushy, vulgar and not well-mannered there (that's true also for certain freelancers, but curiously, less often than with bar girls in my own experience). It's quite the opposite in Thai-oriented establishments.

[QUOTE=Fon Tok;1144770]Day 1: The party begins.[/QUOTE]For whatever reason; the girls look hotter when they are wet! Great pics!

I will be bringing my portable underwater camera with me on this trip!

[QUOTE=Der Tourist;1144529]And if you leave more leverage to yourself by not specifying that you want LT and the girl is good then you may have a better chance to make her stay LT and perhaps even get better service.[/QUOTE]If you have possible LT in your mind, why not tell her "I take you ST and if we have good fun together, we'll do LT". If you then treat her nice she is likely to go for LT and you'll also have a good initial ST session since she is motivated for you to go LT. If you don't like her that much during ST you can always say you are tired now to ask her to leave without making her lose face.

Hey guys, haven't seen any reports mentioning Cafe Thermae for a long time, maybe a year. (Course I may have missed them, but I tried a search and nada.) I always enjoyed that place. Is it still going?

Thanks

The p4p situation in Bangkok deteriorates a little more on every visit. It is over-hyped, over-commercialized and over-priced. Read this and weep for those that recall the glory years of the seventies, eighties and nineties. I hardly recognise the once notorious Thermae and Nana Plaza is a sad ghost of its former self with near empty bars and abysmal quality. Tell me its because of Songkran and its not like this all the time.

Nonetheless, this is Thailand and there is still plenty of fun to be had. Picked this 1000 baht ST Buriram 20 year old from Nana Car Park and she was quite good fun although she surprised me by turning down an extra 500 for a second pop. But I was kinda pissed so maybe she reckoned it would be too much like hard work.

Hope that Pattaya hasn't slid as much as Bangkok has but I fear the worst.

[QUOTE=Stew2; 1144964]Hey guys, haven't seen any reports mentioning Cafe Thermae for a long time, maybe a year. (Course I may have missed them, but I tried a search and nada.) I always enjoyed that place. Is it still going?

Thanks[/QUOTE]Was in there last night. It seems to have been taken over by East Asian clientele. One or two lookers but I think they are only interested in the 3-2-1 crowd. Sad to see this formerly great all night party venue brought down so low but I guess that it never recovered from the stricter licensing hours. I forget the number of times that I have staggered out of there (or its nastier, more atmospheric predecessor) at 7-8 in the morning.

[QUOTE=Chill Out;1144958]and you'll also have a good initial ST session since she is motivated for you to go LT[/QUOTE]More often than not, the girls do try to avoid LT. They like to go back to their daughters, boyfriends, families at night. Or, go in groups and party with the girls then buy themselves a young thai boy to fuck them.

[QUOTE=Cunning Stunt;1144965]Nonetheless, this is Thailand and there is still plenty of fun to be had. Picked this 1000 baht ST Buriram 20 year old from Nana Car Park and she was quite good fun although she surprised me by turning down an extra 500 for a second pop. But I was kinda pissed so maybe she reckoned it would be too much like hard work.[/QUOTE]Feel you pain, the ones dictating to men we've to be single shot guns are perhaps the worst ones. I always make it clear before, or no deal, but had one pretend not to understand the hand gesture of "two" and words boom-boom!