Giotto's Lodge in Bangkok

[QUOTE=Brain666]Hmm, something which should be monitored more if the new mamasan drives up the price.
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[/QUOTE]Brain666,

That's an interesting point - I am quite sure that she will try that. But as long as she is doing this realistically - she is even supported to do so by our management! This is NOT Soi Cowboy or Soi Nana!

Just read in another forum about a guy who was asked for THB 5,000.00 LT here in Soi 33. Don't want to forget the customers who come to the road for special girls and offer to buy Ferrari's and Condos, if the girls agree to marry them.

As you see the prices differ a lot :) !


Giotto

Just wonder. Why nobody tell Giotto? How good is cuisine. Went there. Great food. But never touched the girls at sports loundge. Spend a good time relaxing from a spress of stupid chineese people. Report follow later.

On my way back to US I decided to stop for a week of R&R in BKK. So I Came on Monday morning the 12th and checked in to the boutique hotel wth the African theme on Soi 33.

Checked in at about 8:30 am and tried to take a nap. After tossing and turning got up, showered and went down for breakfast. Dr. G was there drinking his 10th cup of coffee, sitting at a table with a lovely lady. Dr. G introduced her as his mother.

After a while I excused myself and took a short walk to Akane. My favorite Naomi was off that day, and had to make do with M and F. A good good cleaning shower, followed by a massage and fantastic BBJ followed for a happy, happy ending. What else can be better to start a day off. Cost: 1680 +300 tip.

Came back and met the new mamasan. Dr. G was gracious enough to introduce her. Convinced her for an afternoon lunch next day. But I had doubts. Took my leave and slept good for the next few hours.

Evening time. Went to the Sports Bar. The magnificent stable of Dr. G cannot be understated. Sure enough the Pesky one was back and massaging my shoulders. This time she introduced me to her friend Minh. I think it was the booze making the decision. Bar fined both of them.

Decided I was hungry and wanted to go out for dinner. Picked a cab and said I wanted to go to the night narket. What market? Heck if I could remember the name. The cab driver stopped at a seafood joint saying it was cheap and good. Cab driver rule number 103. Never trust a driver who says the food is cheap.

After dinner staggered back to the Livingstone's Lodge and into the room. Minh is not too good looking (average) but extremely attractive. And a smooth shaved pussy just begging for DATY. Oh well a rough night followed. Had a very good sleep till about 11 am. Took the ladies down for breakfast and bid them adieu. Damage: 2000 BF + 1500 Dinner + 5000 for the girls. Total 8,500 B for the night. man, that was a good chunk out of my budget. Decide to more sober that night and go easy.

Needless to say, mamasan never showed up. Wasn't too disappointed as 1. I wasn't really expecting her to show up and 2. Saved some money. I also found out that the next day was Dr. G's birthday, the Valentine's day.

Day 2 afternoon, went for my usual salon trip. Haircut, color, pedicure, manicure and a foot massage. Met a friend for lunch. Went and got something for G's birthday. Yakked for a while with G and his mom. She would be leaving that night for Germany.

Evening was more laid back. Shot some pool and BFd the Pesky one again. no dinner. Went to the room at about 1 am. and promptly went to sleep. Sleep was more important than fucking. However, made up for it the next morning.

Day 3. Bored. My Thai GF has gone to Malaysia to see her folks. Didn't want to go to Pattaya alone. So I did the next best thing. Called Thai and booked myself for the evening flight. Had one more 2 hr. oily massage. Came back, packed up and straight to the airport.

Sorry I missed the Valentines Party, Mr. G. Please do share some photos.

Till next time.

[QUOTE=Giotto]Brain666,

That's an interesting point - I am quite sure that she will try that. But as long as she is doing this realistically - she is even supported to do so by our management! This is NOT Soi Cowboy or Soi Nana!

Just read in another forum about a guy who was asked for THB 5,000.00 LT here in Soi 33. Don't want to forget the customers who come to the road for special girls and offer to buy Ferrari's and Condos, if the girls agree to marry them.

As you see the prices differ a lot :) !


Giotto[/QUOTE]

Nothing against a higher price Giotto, I am not cheep charly type,
however for me it needs to go along with a better experience to be justified and for sure doesn't go along with the location.

Beeing at Soi 33 instead of Soi Cowboy is not value added in my counter.
Value added is the type of women, how she looks, how she is around you, the service experience, the GFE level, Time spent together etc. This is what counts and I don't care if she comes from Livingstones, Nana or Beergarden ....
(Just to make my part clear: Take as a given that I am always nice to the girls I am with and get the extra 'service' and chemistry usually going along with this.)

However if your girls team gains reputation that the risk level in terms of bad experience is low, then its rather that we customers use the sports bar as a default for pickup then e.g. Nana, despite higher price level and barfine.
The same as Livingstones is my default for staying in Bangkok (alone), as your house and the concept is great.

Anyhow will visit your house as soon as I have a chance to come alone and have time to check the changes in the sports bar personally. (come tomorrow to Thailand, but with spouce)

greetings
Brain666

[QUOTE=Brain666]Nothing against a higher price Giotto, I am not cheep charly type,
however for me it needs to go along with a better experience to be justified and for sure doesn't go along with the location.

Beeing at Soi 33 instead of Soi Cowboy is not value added in my counter.
Value added is the type of women, how she looks, how she is around you, the service experience, the GFE level, Time spent together etc. This is what counts and I don't care if she comes from Livingstones, Nana or Beergarden ....
[/QUOTE]Brain666,

I basically agree. But:

Everybody defines a "better experience" differently. It's all about what specific expectation you have if you select a girl.

To optimize the "technique" aspect of a sexual experience it makes sense to look for somebody in massage parlours, Soi Cowboy, Soi Nana or the Sukhumvit area in general. Those girls have a higher milage and a lot more experience with farang customers.

We here in Livingstone's have no influence on what happens behind closed doors of a bedroom, and we also DO NOT WANT to get involved there. We can select girls which can entertain a man, can communicate, dance and make a man relax and smile - in our Sports Lounge or in the restaurant. We can teach them how to behave, how to dress, how to dance. That is what we can do - everything which comes afterwards is a very private event between those two, man and woman, and we don't want to get involved into that, under no circumstances.

I hope that clarifies the POV of Livingstone's Lodge's management.


Giotto

[QUOTE=Old Thai Hand]Hey G

Since you're running a "Parallel Universe" over here in which those who only rarely delve into the main Thai board seem to thrive and have a good time, I was wondering if you could start a Parallel Photo Gallery on which people could post decent pics without the smart-ass, manipulative editorializing of Cyberspace? (not to mention his gross, disgusting pics).

Just a thought. ;)[/QUOTE]Old Thai Hand,

though I admire your never ending fight for quality in the forum I consider it in this case to be appropriate to not get involved.

I don't want to get into the position as a photo gallery censor :) . I anyway do not post any pictures of girls.


Giotto

[QUOTE=Giotto]Brain666,

I basically agree. But:

Everybody defines a "better experience" differently. It's all about what specific expectation you have if you select a girl.

To optimize the "technique" aspect of a sexual experience it makes sense to look for somebody in massage parlours, Soi Cowboy, Soi Nana or the Sukhumvit area in general. Those girls have a higher milage and a lot more experience with farang customers.

We here in Livingstone's have no influence on what happens behind closed doors of a bedroom, and we also DO NOT WANT to get involved there. We can select girls which can entertain a man, can communicate, dance and make a man relax and smile - in our Sports Lounge or in the restaurant. We can teach them how to behave, how to dress, how to dance. That is what we can do - everything which comes afterwards is a very private event between those two, man and woman, and we don't want to get involved into that, under no circumstances.

I hope that clarifies the POV of Livingstone's Lodge's management.

Giotto[/QUOTE]For a guy whose native tongue is not English thats the perfect definition i experienced at your salubrious establishment. Right down to the dancing and this coming from a man born with two left feet. But heck it was enjoyable not like the drudgery back home Downunder. I have mailed Sonya some pics of our sanuk yai in Bangkok care of Livingstones. Could you make sure she gets them.

Choke dee

[QUOTE=Brain666]

Hmm, something which should be monitored more if the new mamasan drives up the price.
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[QUOTE=Giotto]

That's an interesting point - I am quite sure that she will try that. But as long as she is doing this realistically - she is even supported to do so by our management!

Giotto[/QUOTE]

"Realistically" is the key word. A certain balance has to be kept. If the girls ask for too much then clients will be put off and the girls will lose business. If the girls ask for too little then the place risks attracting the "cheap charlies" and other unfavorable sorts that will ruin the place for all of us.

I would suggest developing an "Idiot's Guide to Negotiating with Bargirls" instead of just accepting any price quoted. Brain666's numbers seem like a reasonable starting point for me, to be varied by such factors as chemistry, personality, physical, social and professional attractiveness.

Just wanted to add my comments to this interesting discussion.

Cheers,

F2

[QUOTE=Silly Fool]For a guy whose native tongue is not English thats the perfect definition i experienced at your salubrious establishment. Right down to the dancing and this coming from a man born with two left feet. But heck it was enjoyable not like the drudgery back home Downunder. I have mailed Sonya some pics of our sanuk yai in Bangkok care of Livingstones. Could you make sure she gets them.
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[/QUOTE]Silly Fool,

Thanks for your comment, I will take care that Sonya receives the pictures.

I remember you and Sonya, and that looked great for me. I am quite sure that you had a good time here in Bangkok. And that is what counts - for me.


Giotto

[QUOTE=SexWithSmile]Mr the President,

I request the approval to open a Livingstones branch in Jakarta.

It's a shithole currently under the water, but greeeaaatttt fun. We'll do a floating hotel, to be on the safe side.
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[/QUOTE]SexWithSmile,

Permission granted. Floating Livingstone's in Jakarta...

Come on, man, give us an overview about your experiences with a detailed comparision between Thai and Indonesian women!


Giotto

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy]I think this is exactly the type of behaviour that encourages the girls to try tricks on us. how can a bubbly BG before the barfine turn into a lady with stomach ache that can't fuck once you both have showered? because she knows she can get away with it.

[i](may happend in any bar in Bangkok, the persons in this dialogue are fictional)[/i]

Noi: Sawasdee Kha Tuk
Tuk: Sawasdee Kha Noi, Sabai dee mai Kha?
Noi: I very tired.... farang take me LT and make boom boom all night
Tuk: wow, me take Farang LT also but he let me go after ST
Noi: really? Farang come in my mouth, have sex many position, fuck my ass
Tuk: Fuck your ass?
Noi: Yes, now hurt a little bit, and tired, only sleep 2 hours
Tuk: Wow
Noi: And you?
Tuk: Farang stay in nice hotel, but I pretend I have pain in my stomach and cannot boom boom... he complain and I agree but after 15 second I tell him hurt too much... he finish Blowjob only
Noi: wow
Tuk: how much your farang pay you?
Noi: 2000, and you?
Tuk: 1500.
Noi: really?
Tuk: yes, next time make like me, farang will pay anyway!
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[/QUOTE]NicFrenchy,

I can basically follow your logic - and discussions and experiences like this will definitely start a negative spiral in the behavior of those girls...

But - the real problem already starts before.

If a customer gives a provider the feeling that he only wants sex, special techniques, 5 times in 5 hours the girls will respond with higher service prices and service avoidance/minimization. If a man treats a woman like an object he will be treated as a buyer of an object.

The recommendation I give to our guests is:

Invest something into this woman, this experience, make the girl feel good, sit together, talk, have some drinks, eat together, go out and dance ... treat the girl like a lady, better like a queen - and you will get it back later in that night - and much much more than that!

An experience from last night:

A customer comes in and asks for a girl which can provide some special service for him - hmmm, let's say very special service. The requested service would not hurt the girl, but in a way humuliate her.

I did not even want to listen to this shit - this kind of games is something a man can usually develop with a longtime girlfriend, or one can go to special places (Demonia, BarBar) here in Bangkok where a service providers can be found for that. To expect that a Thai bar girl (expecially in a non-hardcore establishment) would agree on such a deal is already quite unrealistic. If a girl could be found she would only do that for one reason: Money! Everybody should be aware of that.

I sometimes think that this easy availibility for woman here in Thailand makes a good number of men to mutate into monsters, and their desire to experience everything what they cannot experience at home wins against their good education and behavior. I personally hate it to treat women like objects, but many men do here in Thailand.

I hope that those who do will have the same experience the other way around one day - to be treated like an object!

For Livingstone's I luckily can intervene - and I will show those customers the door in the future. Respect for women is something which is requested here in this place!


Giotto

[QUOTE=Giotto]Silly Fool,

Thanks for your comment, I will take care that Sonya receives the pictures.

I remember you and Sonya, and that looked great for me. I am quite sure that you had a good time here in Bangkok. And that is what counts - for me.

Giotto[/QUOTE]I add my thanks with Too Jaded- what nice people populate Livingstones-meaning punters as well as staff. And the aharn Thai (Thai cuisine)-
dont get me started. Just thinking about the pla tawd (deep fried snapper) is making my stomach growl. I may even try some farang food when i return but your tawd man pla (deep fried fish cakes) will never be bettered. Number neung (number!) Kop kun marg (thank you very much).

SF

[QUOTE=Jeff46]Just wonder. Why nobody tell Giotto? How good is cuisine. Went there. Great food.[/QUOTE]Jeff46,

Yep! Why nobody tell me??? I think the food is OK, getting more and more stabile, after a lot of training has been done.

Jeff46, come up with your report, please!


Giotto

[QUOTE=Giotto]I personally hate to treat women like objects, but many men do here in Thailand...

I hope that those who do will have the same experience the other way around one day - to be treated like an object![/QUOTE]Happens to me all the time, and I can tell ya, it's no fun. :(

;)

Gentlemen,

Perhaps some of you could enlighten me? I am heading to Bangkok in March for the first time, and know little about the scale of the geograhy in the area. I have been reading the forums for a long while now, and am wondering about the location of Livingstones in relation to many of the well known mongering sites.

I am coming for a 6 or 7 nights and I want to see as much of the area as I can. Kinda like field research for future trips!

Does it take long to get from Livingstones to Nana, Beergarden and Soi Cowboy? Is it an easy walk, or is public transport the way to go? If so, how late at night does the transport system run?

Would you reccomend staying the whole week there, or splitting it with another establishment at the other end of Sukhumvit?

I love the sound of Livingstones, and it was foremost in my mind when I decided to take this holiday. Just wondering now about the logistics.

Hoping you can help,

W