Monterrey

You'd need to go to the more expensive MP's like the moderate priced Extravaganza or the fairly above average priced Versace and Regias to get what you are looking for.
This 3 MP's offer 1 hour services, all 3 are on the 800-1000 (1200) pesos average.
You need to ask openly while picking a girl in the lineup if they do "servicio extremo", for them the term means "anal".

Anyway, at the cheaper MP's that charge 120-150, 200 pesos you only need to tell them that you want 60 minutes, "servicio extremo", and they will acomodate, charging you acording to the time they serve.
Average is 20 minutes at these places, so 60 minutes will be around 550-600 pesos for an hour, plus extras, cause "servicio extremo" will cost you extra
But again, you have to tell them what you are looking for while picking the girl.
I know it's a little awkward, but it's the only wayt to get your money's worth.



[QUOTE=Faith Oneil]I've checked out several MP's in the last few weeks and my general experience was not too bad. Most of them are around 120 to 200 per 15 to 30min, 1 to 3 positions, nude or semi-nude, most include oral, some girls let you choose the position, some do not. So you can get something for 120 for sure and when you check around a little you even find some good looking girls. Later on weekends seems to be the best time, the MP's are full, while also some weekdays around midnight is a good choice. I've been around the central bus station where the most MP's and clubs, etc. Are. I went to another part of town, a few blocks east on Tapia but there the prices start at around 200, while it's easier to find a good looking girl there. I've talked to some girls in front of Bordels but I never tried it, they seem to offer the same for more money. Also I've been dragged into a club by some amazing looking girl, she was just, wow! But I've left right away as I didn't get the chance to even ask for more, they pulled a table in front of me and I saw I was supposed to spend some money first before I would get something, eventually. Anyways.

After a while I got annoyed by all this little restrictions and everything I would like to do with the girl in the MP's costs extra or she just doesn't do it at all. I've tried to find a girl who does do anal and I could maybe finger a little and stuff like this but I had no luck. Does anyone here have any idea if there are any MP's or other places where I could find a girl, not too expensive, that lets me do more. Like I pay for an hour and can have lots of fun without having her to tell me if I want to touch her naked tits I need to pay extra and stuff like this. Any idea? I don't like the escort stuff since it is too expensive. So, somewhere where I can go to and talk to the girl and she tells me how much and what I can do. Would be great if someone knows.[/QUOTE]

I would suggest that if you are going to attempt to obtain servicio extremo from the medium to lower level massage parlors, that you also stipulate that payment for said extras will be paid at the end of the session, once you're completely satisfied. Show them the money, so they will know you have it, and tell them you will not pay until after you're satisfied that they've delivered as promised. If they challenge your desire to pay COD for extras, then tell them you will go to the next place on the block.

Believe me, they will promise you the moon in some of the lower level and medium level massage parlors, and they will routinely attempt to bait and switch with respect to what is ultimately delivered unless you tie payment directly to performance. Agree to pay up front for servicio normal, but specifically explain your other expectations in advance, even for services that we would all expect to be included in servicio normal, such as removal of tops for example. Agree to only pay for extras after they've been delivered to your expectations. Show them the money, so they know you're for real, and stick to your guns.

If you are not fluent in Spanish, expect them to try taking advantage even more, using whatever bait and switch tactics they can to up-charge from their initial promises to you that they will indeed do servicio extremo, much less their delivering upon things that would normally be expected, like removal of tops, etc...

You would not typically have the same kind of bait and switch treatment from the high end massage parlors, but you will pay 6 to 10 times more for the privilege of having your expectations met with respect to what was promised.

To have any other expectation is only setting yourself up for a fleecing, and ultimate disappointment in the end. By your attempting to get these kinds of expectations met on the cheap in a mongering destination like Mexico, you you are playing the accomplice in your own potential disappointment. So, with all due respect, I encourage you to plan your strategy, stick to it, plan for the worst, and hope for the best. Because, to try to get a legitimate business ethic out Mexico's lower level massage parlor girls, you definitely have your work cut out for you.

[QUOTE=Faith Oneil]I've checked out several MP's in the last few weeks and my general experience was not too bad. Most of them are around 120 to 200 per 15 to 30min, 1 to 3 positions, nude or semi-nude, most include oral, some girls let you choose the position, some do not. So you can get something for 120 for sure and when you check around a little you even find some good looking girls. Later on weekends seems to be the best time, the MP's are full, while also some weekdays around midnight is a good choice. I've been around the central bus station where the most MP's and clubs, etc. Are. I went to another part of town, a few blocks east on Tapia but there the prices start at around 200, while it's easier to find a good looking girl there. I've talked to some girls in front of Bordels but I never tried it, they seem to offer the same for more money. Also I've been dragged into a club by some amazing looking girl, she was just, wow! But I've left right away as I didn't get the chance to even ask for more, they pulled a table in front of me and I saw I was supposed to spend some money first before I would get something, eventually. Anyways.

After a while I got annoyed by all this little restrictions and everything I would like to do with the girl in the MP's costs extra or she just doesn't do it at all. I've tried to find a girl who does do anal and I could maybe finger a little and stuff like this but I had no luck. Does anyone here have any idea if there are any MP's or other places where I could find a girl, not too expensive, that lets me do more. Like I pay for an hour and can have lots of fun without having her to tell me if I want to touch her naked tits I need to pay extra and stuff like this. Any idea? I don't like the escort stuff since it is too expensive. So, somewhere where I can go to and talk to the girl and she tells me how much and what I can do. Would be great if someone knows.[/QUOTE]

I was at infinto last night an found one of my girls...great time together...she didn't even ask for the $1,000 payment after the bar fine, but I payed her anyways. She stated that Infinito had been slow the past three weeks. Also very important! There has been a shoot-out in Infinito. One of the Dancers was shot, and also client. Be very careful when going to the downtown area where these bars are located. Another thing is Monterrey night life is dying; the Barrio Antiguo is dead compared to other times I've been there; I'd say about 70% decline. The reason for this is that the Cartel Del Golfo is on the offensive in coordination with the Mexican Police and Army against the Zetas. Amigiomio please do not try and down-play the real danger Monterrey is currently experiencing. The threat of being robbed, beaten or killed is real. Stay safe and use common sense when going to Monterrey and if you see anyone pull a gun out run!

I will just openly say: total BS.

Sorry to tell you but what you are posting is not true. I don't care what your GF told you, but that is a LIE.

If there is a shoot out at a club, the Army or Federal Police will shut it down TOTALLY, not just for a couple of day TOTALLY, like they did at Givenchy and then again it took them over a year to open it up again.

Come ON Marius, I still go to Infinito 3 - 4 times a week and this is the first time I hear this!!!!!!
If it had been true, you would have NEVER been at Infinito, NEVER taken your GF out cause it would have been shut totally down.

Coming back to Givenchy... you know what happened to Infinito when they shut Givenchy down???
And that was next door, not within Infinito
It almost killed Inifinito. It took them weeks to get back in shape, and Marius I was witness to that. I saw poor Infinito trying to survive with 10 girls, one stage and 5 customers.

Don't you think I would have noticed it????
My GFs wouldn't have told me about it???
Marius, do you have the monoply of truth with just one GF????

I will openly say again: your GF is pulling your leg.
Seems you still just don't understand the way the strip club girls think.

She's exagerating to get your attention.

By the way Marius, a couple of things.

1. Businesses are slow right now, because of the World Cup games are happening during morning and midday hours. Everyone's spent by the time night comes. No money to spend on SCs

2. I was there too on Saturday. I didn't notice business that slow, but the girls were complaining about the soccer games, taking business away from them.

3. Only the SCs that open early and cater lunch to customers like Prestige and Obsession are getting all the business.

4. And then again, only the House is getting all the money via food and booze... the girls, who cares (from the point of view of the House).

5. Soccer... get it? No you don't. I don't think you understand it.






[QUOTE=Marius 67]I was at infinto last night an found one of my girls...great time together...she didn't even ask for the $1,000 payment after the bar fine, but I payed her anyways. She stated that Infinito had been slow the past three weeks. Also very important! There has been a shoot-out in Infinito. One of the Dancers was shot, and also client. Be very careful when going to the downtown area where these bars are located. Another thing is Monterrey night life is dying; the Barrio Antiguo is dead compared to other times I've been there; I'd say about 70% decline. The reason for this is that the Cartel Del Golfo is on the offensive in coordination with the Mexican Police and Army against the Zetas. Amigiomio please do not try and down-play the real danger Monterrey is currently experiencing. The threat of being robbed, beaten or killed is real. Stay safe and use common sense when going to Monterrey and if you see anyone pull a gun out run![/QUOTE]

Monterreydude,

You're being a bit harsh on Marius, don't you think? Given the powder keg tension in the air in Monterrey, I don't think it's unreasonable to believe a chica when she tells such a story. Maybe it's complete BS, but its not unreasonable to think that it may be true and it's certainly not unreasonable to share this info with the other hobbyists on this board. If the cartel can kick down doors at the Holiday Inn and snatch people from their rooms with the police powerless to do anything, then a shooting at a bar is not beyond belief.

You may deny it in an effort to keep funneling people into Infinito (which is, IMO, not a place you want to find yourself in if you're new to the city, short on Spanish and looking to stay away from problems), but Monterrey is an explosion waiting to happen right now. The people are tense, the police are on edge and the killers do what they want, when they want with absolutely no fear.

I'm an American working in Monterrey and I've been living here for 6 years (and traveling here for 3 years before that) and I'm doing my best to get the hell out. With any luck, I'll wrap up my business by September and be off to another, safer part of Mexico where decapitations aren't a way of life.

I'm a long-time lurker on this forum and I do plan on adding some info and reports, but I think that anyone planning on coming down should take a good, long look and consider whether the fun outweighs the risks.

Anybody that tells you that Monterrey is not dangerous right now is lying to you. As a matter of fact, Monterrey (and the outlying area) just may be the most dangerous city in North America at this point.

Just because nothing has happened to you and you FEEL safe, that doesn't mean that you are. Dozens of Americans have been kidnapped in Monterrey over the last 3 years. Most of them probably felt safe, too.

My Point: Monterreydude, crime is out there and it's not unreasonable to sound the red alarm if you hear a report from someone working on the scene. Could we expect you to honestly tell us anything other than, "All is OK, come to Infinito" even if there were a real and present danger? It's simply not true that you'll be safe if you just stay away from the drug trade and mind your own business. The cartels are reaching out and bothering everyone or, at the very least, being completely oblivious to pedestrians who happen to be at the wrong place at the wrong time. Cruising the strip clubs at this time is, IMO, just thumbing your nose at the law of averages and flirting with real danger whether you care to admit it or not.

And what the hell does the World Cup have to do with the table dance clubs? LOL. I almost buy that for when Mexico is playing, but Slovenia-Algeria is keeping nobody away from the clubs.

I'm not wanting to start a fight, but I'm tired of watching you downplay the real threat here when I also live here and know the story.

[QUOTE=Monterreydude]I will just openly say: total BS.

Sorry to tell you but what you are posting is not true. I don't care what your GF told you, but that is a LIE.

If there is a shoot out at a club, the Army or Federal Police will shut it down TOTALLY, not just for a couple of day TOTALLY, like they did at Givenchy and then again it took them over a year to open it up again.

Come ON Marius, I still go to Infinito 3. 4 times a week and this is the first time I hear this!

If it had been true, you would have NEVER been at Infinito, NEVER taken your GF out cause it would have been shut totally down.

Coming back to Givenchy. You know what happened to Infinito when they shut Givenchy down?

And that was next door, not within Infinito

It almost killed Inifinito. It took them weeks to get back in shape, and Marius I was witness to that. I saw poor Infinito trying to survive with 10 girls, one stage and 5 customers.

Don't you think I would have noticed it?

My GFs wouldn't have told me about it?

Marius, do you have the monoply of truth with just one GF?

I will openly say again: your GF is pulling your leg.

Seems you still just don't understand the way the strip club girls think.

She's exagerating to get your attention.

By the way Marius, a couple of things.

1. Businesses are slow right now, because of the World Cup games are happening during morning and midday hours. Everyone's spent by the time night comes. No money to spend on SCs

2. I was there too on Saturday. I didn't notice business that slow, but the girls were complaining about the soccer games, taking business away from them.

3. Only the SCs that open early and cater lunch to customers like Prestige and Obsession are getting all the business.

4. And then again, only the House is getting all the money via food and booze... the girls, who cares (from the point of view of the House).

5. Soccer... get it? No you don't. I don't think you understand it.[/QUOTE]

monterreydude is completely correct. they would shut the place down, and there would likely be even a greater ripple effect to the other bars along villagran. the murders at givenchy were catestrophic for the bars there. so, were it true, there would be no el infinito. i had heard that the situation at givenchy was due to some rogue want-to-be's who themselves were targeted by the cartels for having brought them so much undue and unwanted negative publicity upon them.

you know, i have been hearing speculation from girls that such a thing is potentially "likely to occur" for probably over a year. and, a number of girls have even been so specific to have expressed concern that they might get caught in the crossfire.

they all feed off of each other with respect to their fears, and i believe they're hyping it up among themselves. plus, unless one's spanish is advanced enough to discern the slight differences in their pronunciation of the spanish, one could misinterpret the expression of their fears as fact.

perhaps she believes it could occur, versus it actually occurring. i've known several girls that have told me the same thing, but they expressed it as a fear, and not as an actual fact.

and, with respect to business being slow, it has been quite slow lately, with some girls choosing not to work. perhaps some girls are stirring the pot, planting the seeds of fear with their peers so they will stay home, thereby hoping to narrow the field of competition between them.

but, i do wonder if any of those people turned-up from the holiday inn incident? did the news media ever have a follow-up report on their disposition? that incident was definitely worrisome when i first heard about it, but on the other hand, it doesn't seem to be anything that's connected to the bars we frequent.



[quote=monterreydude]i will just openly say: total bs.

sorry to tell you but what you are posting is not true. i don't care what your gf told you, but that is a lie.

if there is a shoot out at a club, the army or federal police will shut it down totally, not just for a couple of day totally, like they did at givenchy and then again it took them over a year to open it up again.

come on marius, i still go to infinito 3 - 4 times a week and this is the first time i hear this!!!!!!
if it had been true, you would have never been at infinito, never taken your gf out cause it would have been shut totally down.

coming back to givenchy... you know what happened to infinito when they shut givenchy down???
and that was next door, not within infinito
it almost killed inifinito. it took them weeks to get back in shape, and marius i was witness to that. i saw poor infinito trying to survive with 10 girls, one stage and 5 customers.

don't you think i would have noticed it????
my gfs wouldn't have told me about it???
marius, do you have the monoply of truth with just one gf????

i will openly say again: your gf is pulling your leg.
seems you still just don't understand the way the strip club girls think.

she's exagerating to get your attention.

by the way marius, a couple of things.

1. businesses are slow right now, because of the world cup games are happening during morning and midday hours. everyone's spent by the time night comes. no money to spend on scs

2. i was there too on saturday. i didn't notice business that slow, but the girls were complaining about the soccer games, taking business away from them.

3. only the scs that open early and cater lunch to customers like prestige and obsession are getting all the business.

4. and then again, only the house is getting all the money via food and booze... the girls, who cares (from the point of view of the house).

5. soccer... get it? no you don't. i don't think you understand it.[/quote]

You guys are in denial about the whole shooting incident. It happend about three weeks ago at Infinito. Why would the girls lie about it, they are risking losing business by saying this. It seemed that everyone was on edge this past weekend in Monterrey. Also have you guys ever noticed the locals sporting Zeta Tatoos on their nicks and arms at the bars in El Centro; I'am not saying not to go, but use extreme caution. Stay safe! Thats all I'am saying. I would rather know what's going on than and be aware, instead of blindly venturing out and being clueless.

Reporting the hype, without substantiating that the incident actually occurred, only serves to escalate the hysteria, which only serves to exaggerate the dangers.

I agree that staying safe is good advice, but exaggerating the danger only serves to falsely label El Infinito as dangerous.

I have NEVER found it to be dangerous, not in over ten years of going there on a regular basis. I realize that things change, but lets not cast El Infinito as being a very dangerous place to go without having some substantiating facts on which to do so.

If the incident actually occurred, then there should be newspaper stories about it. Can anyone advise the date of the published newspaper stories about this incident actually occurring? And, if not, that means El Infinito is no more dangerous a place to go than El Oxxo with respect to violent acts.


[QUOTE=Marius 67]You guys are in denial about the whole shooting incident. It happend about three weeks ago at Infinito. Why would the girls lie about it, they are risking losing business by saying this. It seemed that everyone was on edge this past weekend in Monterrey. Also have you guys ever noticed the locals sporting Zeta Tatoos on their nicks and arms at the bars in El Centro; I'am not saying not to go, but use extreme caution. Stay safe! Thats all I'am saying. I would rather know what's going on than and be aware, instead of blindly venturing out and being clueless.[/QUOTE]

Denial?
You are the one that's on "denial".
Iam saying here as a fact that if there had been an instance of a shooting within the Infinito, the SC would have been CLOSED.
And I mean shut down and sealed up.
Cerrado, Infinito finito.
Not open as you stated, open on Saturday.
If it had been true, a girl and a customer shot... nobody would have been there, not even yours truely, nor yourself... cause the SC would have been closed by the Federal Police.

What part don't you get Marius???
Please point it out: The shooting incident? the closing deal thing????


Let's see what you are saying: Three weeks ago.
Ok 3 weeks ago there was a BRAWL at Infinito, and me and Doubt 98 were about to walk in when it happened.
Just a plain old brawl that happens all the time there.

"Why would the girls lie"
Nonononono.... you didn't say "girls", you said your GF told you about it after waiving here freebe and paying her.

"they are risking losing business by saying this"... they wouldn't be risking losing business... IT WOULD BE CLOSED!!!! as simple as that.




[QUOTE=Marius 67]You guys are in denial about the whole shooting incident. It happend about three weeks ago at Infinito. Why would the girls lie about it, they are risking losing business by saying this. It seemed that everyone was on edge this past weekend in Monterrey. Also have you guys ever noticed the locals sporting Zeta Tatoos on their nicks and arms at the bars in El Centro; I'am not saying not to go, but use extreme caution. Stay safe! Thats all I'am saying. I would rather know what's going on than and be aware, instead of blindly venturing out and being clueless.[/QUOTE]

Ok. All is Safe in Monterrey. Bring Cash. Go to Infinito. We get it.

My advice for all of those who plan on spending a considerable amount of time in Monterrey is to quickly establish contacts with some girls and do your business on the side with them.

If you're in town for a short time and don't plan on being a frequent visitor, avoid the strip clubs (especially the low-end local clubs infested with low and mid-level drug smugglers like Infinito). Go to the escorts or the high-end massage girls. The cost will be the same, the service probably better and you won't have to rub elbows with scumbag drug dealers and cartel enforcers.

As someone who actually lives in Monterrey and has no vested interest in sending you to Infinito, please listen to me and be careful. Being careful, of course, means that you shouldn't put yourself into dangerous situations. And entering a dark, poorly-policed cartel hang-out is NOT the definition of being careful.

You'll find the same advice from the State Dept. and I would trust in them more than in the word of two anonymous people on a message board.

To the rest of the hobbyists in Monterrey: Please don't let the badgering stop you. If you hear anything that could mean danger to us, post it here and let us know. The ISG is about sharing info and, more importantly, keeping eachother safe.

[QUOTE=Monterreydude]Denial?
You are the one that's on "denial".
Iam saying here as a fact that if there had been an instance of a shooting within the Infinito, the SC would have been CLOSED.
And I mean shut down and sealed up.
Cerrado, Infinito finito.
Not open as you stated, open on Saturday.
If it had been true, a girl and a customer shot... nobody would have been there, not even yours truely, nor yourself... cause the SC would have been closed by the Federal Police.

What part don't you get Marius???
Please point it out: The shooting incident? the closing deal thing????


Let's see what you are saying: Three weeks ago.
Ok 3 weeks ago there was a BRAWL at Infinito, and me and Doubt 98 were about to walk in when it happened.
Just a plain old brawl that happens all the time there.

"Why would the girls lie"
Nonononono.... you didn't say "girls", you said your GF told you about it after waiving here freebe and paying her.

"they are risking losing business by saying this"... they wouldn't be risking losing business... IT WOULD BE CLOSED!!!! as simple as that.[/QUOTE]

I don't care whether anybody goes to Monterrey or not, or whether anybody goes to El Infinito or not.

I have NO Vested interest in anybody coming to Monterrey, NO vested interest in El Infinito, or whether some want to frequent the high end massage parlors, or whether some want to go to the escort services. I could not care less.

The truth be known, I wish the most visitors would all stay the hell away. Frankly, the competition from the Gringo Class just serves to drive prices up, and the more Gringos are here, the less leverage I have. So, before you imply that we are trying to drum up business for El Infinito for some self serving purpose, realize that we are already here, already well entrenched, and we really don't need El Infinito, or any of the other bars, to be completely satiated 24 hours a day. And, realize too, they do not even pay taxi drivers to bring Gringo suckers to them, so they're certainly not going to pay us to defend them here.

I ask myself, why is there so much interest all of a sudden in the "dangers" at El Infinito, and from some obviously newly created screen names, those having so few posts on the ISG, they posting here with an intent to promote an atmosphere of fear surrounding El Infinito, especially when it did not happen?

And, why are some falsely representing that the costs are the same for high end massage parlor girls and escorts when their cost is at least 5 to 10 times as expensive for time spent??? The quality and performance is certainly NO BETTER, and with respect to a cost versus time spent analysis, they are certainly no bargain in comparison!

Oh, what the hell, I'll go ahead and say it since we are being accused of having some kind of hidden self interested reason for discrediting a story that is simply false, one that can not be substantiated by any secondary source, but is being represented as true.

Could it be that some may have a vested interest in promoting the escort business and the high end massage business for their own self interest? Discrediting the bars, calling them dangerous, but advocating travel to Monterrey, in light of all the "State Department Warnings,"...

Well, that seems kind of counter intuitive that dangers exist according to State Department warnings, but still..."comon down" for the escort services and the high end massage parlors.

And, with respect to the reader taking the word of "two anonymous people on a message board...," authoritatively delivered comments, coming from those with so few postings on the ISG, from newly created screen names??? Well, it does not inspire confidence and credibility in my book.

It's quite obvious that the newly screen names, with so few postings, are conveniently appearing here to support a hysterical rant about an incident that did NOT HAPPEN, a rant that is quite obviously designed to bring discredit upon the bars, but promote the high end massage parlors and escort businesses.

Marius' warnings are prudent, and I don't disagree with them. But, this other stuff is over the top...

The reader can make up their own minds about who does and does not have credibility with respect to what is really going on in Monterrey, who lives here and who doesn't, etc...But, I agree that "If you hear anything that could mean danger to us, post it here and let us know. The ISG is about sharing info and, more importantly, keeping each other safe."

But, ISG is even more importantly about posting the truth, and not about posting unsubstantiated bar girl gossip, representing it as true, especially if it's with the intention of promoting hysteria in one particular venue, and/or especially when the accusations are simply not true, and/or especially if it is intended for other self interested motives.

If someone wants to post what their "girlfriend" told them, that's fine, but once the "story" has been discredited, why persist with such vigor in an effort to make a lie or a false statement appear to be the truth?


[QUOTE=Chester Boy]Ok. All is Safe in Monterrey. Bring Cash. Go to Infinito. We get it.

My advice for all of those who plan on spending a considerable amount of time in Monterrey is to quickly establish contacts with some girls and do your business on the side with them.

If you're in town for a short time and don't plan on being a frequent visitor, avoid the strip clubs (especially the low-end local clubs infested with low and mid-level drug smugglers like Infinito). Go to the escorts or the high-end massage girls. The cost will be the same, the service probably better and you won't have to rub elbows with scumbag drug dealers and cartel enforcers.

As someone who actually lives in Monterrey and has no vested interest in sending you to Infinito, please listen to me and be careful. Being careful, of course, means that you shouldn't put yourself into dangerous situations. And entering a dark, poorly-policed cartel hang-out is NOT the definition of being careful.

You'll find the same advice from the State Dept. and I would trust in them more than in the word of two anonymous people on a message board.

To the rest of the hobbyists in Monterrey: Please don't let the badgering stop you. If you hear anything that could mean danger to us, post it here and let us know. The ISG is about sharing info and, more importantly, keeping eachother safe.[/QUOTE]

Unspongebob, please read my first post in this thread where I said that I don't recommend coming down to Monterrey at this moment and that I'm personally working to get transferred somewhere else. I will gladly accept your apology for jumping to conclusions.

But let's keep this civil; credibility as to the relative dangers of Monterrey can easily be attained by checking Google News. As I said, if you STILL want to come down to Monterrey, then I stand by what I said, but I understand that personal tastes will differ.

Going to a high-end massage parlor (and I'll not name names since I may get accused of being the owner. LOL) will cost you around 2K for the hour and the girl will be smoking hot. Go to a strip club and you could easily blow that 2k before you really find a girl of your choosing. And if you DO find the right girl, by the time you haggle with the bar fine and salida price, pay for drinks, privados, etc., the price will greatly exceed the 2k. And, anyway, for my tastes bar girls are too run-down and tired looking, but each his own.

Personally, I prefer walking into a clean MP, paying my money and getting my action without any hassle and, certainly, that would be preferable if I were only in town for a couple of days.

Like I said, tastes may differ, but I want my action without all the hassle and nastiness of having to step in other guys' jizz as I get a privado. Maybe that's your thing. Good for you.

And, really, how are we to know whether a story is unsubstantiated or not? Are we to take Monterreydude's word for it? Or are we to listen to him because you, another anonymous person on a message board, vouch for him? I don't know you or him from Adam.

Personally, I want to hear all stories that may concern my safety and then I'll decide what to believe.

[QUOTE=Unspongebob]I don't care whether anybody goes to Monterrey or not, or whether anybody goes to El Infinito or not.

I have NO Vested interest in anybody coming to Monterrey, NO vested interest in El Infinito, or whether some want to frequent the high end massage parlors, or whether some want to go to the escort services. I could not care less.

The truth be known, I wish the most visitors would all stay the hell away. Frankly, the competition from the Gringo Class just serves to drive prices up, and the more Gringos are here, the less leverage I have. So, before you imply that we are trying to drum up business for El Infinito for some self serving purpose, realize that we are already here, already well entrenched, and we really don't need El Infinito, or any of the other bars, to be completely satiated 24 hours a day. And, realize too, they do not even pay taxi drivers to bring Gringo suckers to them, so they're certainly not going to pay us to defend them here.

I ask myself, why is there so much interest all of a sudden in the "dangers" at El Infinito, and from some obviously newly created screen names, those having so few posts on the ISG, they posting here with an intent to promote an atmosphere of fear surrounding El Infinito, especially when it did not happen?

And, why are some falsely representing that the costs are the same for high end massage parlor girls and escorts when their cost is at least 5 to 10 times as expensive for time spent? The quality and performance is certainly NO BETTER, and with respect to a cost versus time spent analysis, they are certainly no bargain in comparison!

Oh, what the hell, I'll go ahead and say it since we are being accused of having some kind of hidden self interested reason for discrediting a story that is simply false, one that can not be substantiated by any secondary source, but is being represented as true.

Could it be that some may have a vested interest in promoting the escort business and the high end massage business for their own self interest? Discrediting the bars, calling them dangerous, but advocating travel to Monterrey, in light of all the "State Department Warnings, ".

Well, that seems kind of counter intuitive that dangers exist according to State Department warnings, but still. "comon down" for the escort services and the high end massage parlors.

And, with respect to the reader taking the word of "two anonymous people on a message board., " authoritatively delivered comments, coming from those with so few postings on the ISG, from newly created screen names? Well, it does not inspire confidence and credibility in my book.

It's quite obvious that the newly screen names, with so few postings, are conveniently appearing here to support a hysterical rant about an incident that did NOT HAPPEN, a rant that is quite obviously designed to bring discredit upon the bars, but promote the high end massage parlors and escort businesses.

Marius' warnings are prudent, and I don't disagree with them. But, this other stuff is over the top.

The reader can make up their own minds about who does and does not have credibility with respect to what is really going on in Monterrey, who lives here and who doesn't, etc. But, I agree that "If you hear anything that could mean danger to us, post it here and let us know. The ISG is about sharing info and, more importantly, keeping each other safe. "

But, ISG is even more importantly about posting the truth, and not about posting unsubstantiated bar girl gossip, representing it as true, especially if it's with the intention of promoting hysteria in one particular venue, and/or especially when the accusations are simply not true, and/or especially if it is intended for other self interested motives.

If someone wants to post what their "girlfriend" told them, that's fine, but once the "story" has been discredited, why persist with such vigor in an effort to make a lie or a false statement appear to be the truth?[/QUOTE]

I thought I might add my two cents, that it is wrong to characterize Monterreydude and Unospongebob as just "two anonymous people on a message board. " They both provide useful, accurate information on a regular basis. Monterreydude, in particular, is quite level-headed and well-versed in what is happening in Monterrey and places like Infinito, and he has proven to be more than willing to generously share his knowledge and time.

Harsh against Marius???
Anonymous????
Dozens of Americans kidnapped in Monterrey????

Hell, you really don't know at all what you are posting.

You don't like Mexico señor???... may I suggest relocating to National Socialist Arizona.

By the way Chester, I go to Reforma street to buy my bootleg movies... and I don't fear for my life for one second.
Why? Cause I know my city, I know where to go and where not to go.
Where to mess and where not to mess.

By the way, why are YOU posting here???
This forum is for mongers, not for antimongers.
I don't think you know one single escort from a service or one single club girl from a SC.

Chester, you don't know one iota of soccer. You should go to Prestige SC at 1:30 pm (5 star club, more to your social level) for lunch and see if it's devoid of soccer fans.

And Iam not harsh against Marius, Iam just saying that he is just passing along his BS.

This is my serious BS: If there has been a shooting at Infinito, why is it that NO ONE has posted the newpaper article???? Or the pictures???
Look at the pictures section, I just posted the pics from the Oct-16-2008 killings at Givenchy taken from elnorte.com. And I totally swear that event did happen on that said date. No BS from me.
I play it FAIR AND SQUARE.
This is my posting on that event on or around those dates:

[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=803291&postcount=1592[/url]

I never EVER hide things from the mongers.
And SHAME on anyone that says I do.





[QUOTE=Chester Boy]Ok. All is Safe in Monterrey. Bring Cash. Go to Infinito. We get it.

My advice for all of those who plan on spending a considerable amount of time in Monterrey is to quickly establish contacts with some girls and do your business on the side with them.

If you're in town for a short time and don't plan on being a frequent visitor, avoid the strip clubs (especially the low-end local clubs infested with low and mid-level drug smugglers like Infinito). Go to the escorts or the high-end massage girls. The cost will be the same, the service probably better and you won't have to rub elbows with scumbag drug dealers and cartel enforcers.

As someone who actually lives in Monterrey and has no vested interest in sending you to Infinito, please listen to me and be careful. Being careful, of course, means that you shouldn't put yourself into dangerous situations. And entering a dark, poorly-policed cartel hang-out is NOT the definition of being careful.

You'll find the same advice from the State Dept. and I would trust in them more than in the word of two anonymous people on a message board.

To the rest of the hobbyists in Monterrey: Please don't let the badgering stop you. If you hear anything that could mean danger to us, post it here and let us know. The ISG is about sharing info and, more importantly, keeping eachother safe.[/QUOTE]

Monterydude is correct, I was there and saw it all. It was a brawl and nothing more. As we walked up the the patrons of the bar came flooding out due to someone spraying pepper spray. They aired out the building and within a couple of hours it was back to normal.

I have spent quite a bit of time in the strip clubs there in Monterrey. I am also fairly observant of my surroundings. If those are the "muscle" for the Zeta's hanging around those clubs then I'm really not that worried. The look like college kids, or just young working guys blowing off steam. Don't get me wrong, I went into Matahuela the last time I was in there and left due to one gentleman who I didn't like the way he looked. I'm not saying they are not there but they would stand out if they were. I mean, if I had kidnapped hundreds of Americans I might have a hard or colder attitude than those kids I see on the front row at El Infinito.

National Socialist Arizona? Really? In the famous words of Rodney King (after he got the settlement with the LA police) "Can't we all just get along?"