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[QUOTE=Dinosaur9;3020986]What's the communication approach you guys use when talking to Filipinas?

I'm on pinalove and I don't think the girls understand or vibe with my American banter LOL.

Do you they usually appreciate more straightforward approach, showering with praise or ymmv?[/QUOTE]Straightforward better, and keep things fairly simple. They will tend to be quite literal so sarcasm and irony generally go right over the head and can even cause conflict. Also never ask multiple questions at once, you will only get an answer to one of them.

[QUOTE=Dinosaur9;3020986]What's the communication approach you guys use when talking to Filipinas?

I'm on pinalove and I don't think the girls understand or vibe with my American banter LOL.

Do you they usually appreciate more straightforward approach, showering with praise or ymmv?[/QUOTE]I was going to send you a private message about this, but you don't yet have PM. The info you get here, in public and in private, is worth the price of annual admission: $20.

[QUOTE=Dinosaur9;3020986]What's the communication approach you guys use when talking to Filipinas?

I'm on pinalove and I don't think the girls understand or vibe with my American banter LOL.

Do you they usually appreciate more straightforward approach, showering with praise or ymmv?[/QUOTE]The info the other guys have given you is valuable. For me, it's worked best with the ones who want you to get off Pina and message them via WhatsApp. They're the players and not the time wasters. No use dealing in the small talk. Tell them up-front in your profile that you're looking for a good time, as opposed to a relationship, if that's what you're after.

No use spending hours sending messages, when you can get them into your room and then ask them what you want.

Play it right and you'll get a hot girl for three days at the price of a short time bar fine in Burgos or similar.

Just my (very recent) experience _ Phil.

[QUOTE=Dg8787;3020999]A picture of your dick next to a $100 bill so they can size you up quickly. This usually works.[/QUOTE]Never tried that approach DG, but I'm sure it's straight to the point and may work wonders.

[QUOTE=BaddHabbit;3021062]Straightforward better, and keep things fairly simple. They will tend to be quite literal so sarcasm and irony generally go right over the head and can even cause conflict. Also never ask multiple questions at once, you will only get an answer to one of them.[/QUOTE]Exactly BH, they can only answer one question at a time. And then, there's translation issues. I usually just ask them, "What do you want?" and then negotiate from there.

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;3021065]I was going to send you a private message about this, but you don't yet have PM. The info you get here, in public and in private, is worth the price of annual admission: $20.[/QUOTE]Good call Westie.

[QUOTE=Dg8787;3020999]A picture of your dick next to a $100 bill so they can size you up quickly. This usually works.[/QUOTE]I never send dick pics but I have sent photos of P2000 and my room key asking if they left this in my room and when would they like to come and collect it.

You would be surprised how many times she offers to "return" in half an hour.

G.

[QUOTE=Sinclair3;3020752]For reference, I'm a 24 year old guy going to visit Philippines for the first time. I've been reading through this forum but can't decide whether to go to Manila or Angeles City. So, I need help deciding that. In the states, I use dating apps but don't really get many hits. I've read about PinaLove but I haven't downloaded it. I want to get as many girls as possible within that week. Also, having sex without condom is on my bucket list, LOL.[/QUOTE]Mate, just show up and don't over-think it. You're 24. When I was your age, I was swamped when I hit the ground. I was relatively fit though and a 'good sort' back then.

If you've only got a week, my advice would be not to spend hours in a hotel room looking on Pina when you can walk out the door and find pussy on the street.

In my opinion, both Angeles and Manila are shitholes, but you can have a great time if your mission is sex. I personally prefer other destinations in The Phils, but have more time between business and pleasure.

As for condoms, I've only ever been 'required' to use them twice from memory.

Just don't hook up with them on social media, and best to carry a separate phone for messaging and use in The Phils. If you hook up with a Pina and they can track you down after you leave, no doubt, you'll receive the 'happy' message that you're going to be a father. Followed by endless howling emojis of them needing cash.

Don't let the above put you off. We've all made mistakes and that's called experience.

The Phils is great. There are some amazing times to be had. You just have to learn how to play the game. And although a week might be insufficient, you can always come back for more.

_Phil.

[QUOTE=Sinclair3;3020752]For reference, I'm a 24 year old guy going to visit Philippines for the first time. I'll stay for about a week or so. I haven't decided when, but I'm thinking anytime between September to October. Flights are reasonably priced. I plan on getting Visa on Arrival. I've been reading through this forum but can't decide whether to go to Manila or Angeles City. So, I need help deciding that. In the states, I use dating apps but don't really get many hits. I've read about PinaLove but I haven't downloaded it. I want to get as many girls as possible within that week. Also, having sex without condom is on my bucket list, LOL. In the States, I get the low income girls (usually restaurant / retail workers or unemployed) who I'm afraid to go raw with because I work at a big tech company and if I get any of these pregnant, they might keep the baby and I'll be done for (big child support payment you know haha). Any advice on where to pick up girls, which hotels to stay at, the cost of things, areas / things to avoid, or anything else will be much appreciated. Thanks.[/QUOTE]I was in AC in 2023 and was not too impressed because there is not much to do in the daytime. I enjoy Manila a lot more and feel like the quality of the girls is better (but also more expensive). In Manila, I recommend Makati. Stay at City Garden and the hotel staff will take good care of you: they always check the girls ID and never let them leave without calling you in your room and making sure you say it is ok for them to leave. On P. Burgos, one block away check out the gogo bars by starting at Kalayaan Avenue and working your way south to Maison. At first just walk into every bar and check out the girls. If you see one you like buy her a drink and see how she vibes with you. Work your way down to Maison, which is the best bar in my opinion and the one where I usually barfine. It's not the cheapest but I have always been able to find an absolute stunner who will start grinding on me and asking me to finger her in the bar after only one or a couple of lady drinks. They usually spend the night with me and if asked about condoms they give the words that I love to hear in the Philippines "up to you. ".

If you want to explore beyond Manila, I recommend Barrio Baretto in Subic Bay over Angeles. It's just a little farther than Angeles but has a beach and daytime activities other than just day drinking. It is also 100% aimed at westerners, with zero Korean influence. Stay at Mango's Beachfront Resort Hotel or Pub Hotel and check out the gogo bars nearby. Lots of nice young girls from the provinces who will genuinely want you to fall in love with them and do everything to please you at Red Bar, the Wet Spot, Alaska Club, etc, etc. Barfines are much lower than Manila and girls are less experiences in a good way. If you like live music check out Queen Victoria, they have some awesome heavy metal cover bands. Hops and Brews beer garden has great food and is clean and totally up to western standards.

Another option other than Angeles is Sabang in Puerto Galera. To get there you take a bus from Manila to Batangas and then a ferry to Mindoro Island, the next island south of Luzon. Stay at Dream Hotel or Big Apple Dive Resort, both of which are right in the tiny alley that is the red light district with 5 or 6 gogo bars. Puerto Galera is less run down than Subic, the boardwalk was recently built, but there is also more Korean influence. Why is Korean influence bad? Because they pay too much and spoil the girls and treat them like a princess and when girls get used to that they won't perform as they should (like taking directions and doing what you ask, etc.). Still, lots of great girls in Sabang Beach both freelance and bargirls.

Both Puerto Galera and Subic had barfines of about 4000 php whereas Manila might be double that at Maison (a bit less at the other gogo bars) but sometimes its worth paying for quality. Freelancers usually start out asking for 2000 but its always negotiable.

Don't be afraid of freelancers and Tinder hookups. To me they are proof positive that sometimes cheaper is better. Sure, its more of a gamble, but if you just want a quick BJ they will work hard for the money and really, some of my best experiences have been with freelancers. Sometimes you find a really horny girl that is into you and she will work like she is hungry for it and it is her favorite thing to do. I hear stories about guys getting ripped off by freelancers but that is why hotels have a safe box. Always keep your valuables in the safe. The real troublemakers will likely be weeded out by the hotel when they check the girls ID, if a girl has caused problems in the past she will be banned from the hotels and they will let you know before you take her up to her room. The hotel staff are well trained and they want you to have a good time and to come back, so don't be afraid to talk to them about where to find girls, etc. Be nice to the security guards, tip them a little and they will look out for you and treat you like a VIP.

Regardless of where you go your going to have a great time!

First five pics are Puerto Galera. Pics 6-10 are Subic Bay.

[QUOTE=Dinosaur9;3020986]What's the communication approach you guys use when talking to Filipinas?

I'm on pinalove and I don't think the girls understand or vibe with my American banter LOL.

Do you they usually appreciate more straightforward approach, showering with praise or ymmv?[/QUOTE]1/ Are you in the Philippines? I don't even chat with girls until I'm in a hotel, looking to meet them today or tomorrow. The only girls who care about you arriving next month or in February are the ones hoping to set up a LDR / Sponsor arrangement and likely won't even meet you should you actually turn up.

2/. Keep it simple. No jokes. No sarcasm. No solving world hunger. Where are they? Do they have work or study commitments? Do they want to meet in person? If she's a hoe, what's the duration and payment plan?

3/. One question, one reply, another question, another reply. If you list 10 questions, only the last one will be answered.

4/. Choose your questions to suit your target. Asking a hoe if she's ok with meeting for paid fun is totally acceptable. However, it may scare off a part timer who wants to meet for coffee first before coming back to "see your room".

5/. Pretty girls receive literally '000's of messages. I agree to move to WhatsApp ASAP so you don't get lost in the queue. If she doesn't have WhatsApp, move on. She's not serious about contacting foreigners and you're not interested in adding to her IG follower list or finding her amongst the hundred other Marys on FB.

6/. I'd also agree that the length of the conversation is inversely proportional to the odds of meeting and swapping body fluids.

A hoe will be three lines: does she fuck for money? Where? When?

A good girl will be a little longer: Where is she? Would she like to meet? When is she off work / class? Meet for coffee or is she shy to be seen in public? Maybe, does she live with family (ie does she have a strict mom watching her every move)?

7/. For all of these, depending on you comfort level, maybe add is she a girl?

8/. Most importantly, be prepared to cut your losses and walk away. Previously, being white and in town guaranteed that 99% of girls would meet you. Now online simps mean that girls can make more money through sponsors and sob stories than meeting and sucking dick.

If she is vague about maybe meeting, needs transport money upfront or has hospital costs for a dying grandma, then just walk away and find another.

9/. PL will only ban you if you offend the other person and she reports you. If you don't offend anyone, you can ask whatever you want. I have asked hoes how much for anal or does she shave her pussy without issue. However, ask the wrong person and she could block you or even have you banned.

Another reason to quickly move to WhatsApp.

Enjoy. G.

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;3020804]These two items are a bit paradoxical. 'Pick up girls' and 'get a ho' can be fairly different. You mentioned retail workers and such, but didn't mention money. The later (ho) would indicate a bargirl approach in Phils.

Just choose one of the places: Makati / Burgos (gogo bars), or the AC Walking / Red St gogo bars. You will be awash in poon.

Not really. Raising ninyos in Phils is relatively cheap, compared to your home country, especially given your salary. Also the ho's you mentioned would never have any idea who fathered the child (they bareback multiple times per week for a living).

A topic covered many times on the Phils forums. RTTF. Just pick one, and research the differences in price (covered on this board multiple times). We have a 'Search' function in the upper-right corner of every page on ISG.[/QUOTE]Thank you for the advice Westie. I've been on this forum for little more than a year seeing your posts and think to myself that this is the kind of life I want to live, haha. I'm going to fly into Manila and stay in Makati for a few days, then venture into some other place that has a good beach. I'll hit the bars you mentioned to get girls for the night and try to find girls on dating apps to spend time with during the day.

[QUOTE=PhilJoy;3021089]Mate, just show up and don't over-think it. You're 24. When I was your age, I was swamped when I hit the ground. I was relatively fit though and a 'good sort' back then.

If you've only got a week, my advice would be not to spend hours in a hotel room looking on Pina when you can walk out the door and find pussy on the street.

In my opinion, both Angeles and Manila are shitholes, but you can have a great time if your mission is sex. I personally prefer other destinations in The Phils, but have more time between business and pleasure.

As for condoms, I've only ever been 'required' to use them twice from memory.

Just don't hook up with them on social media, and best to carry a separate phone for messaging and use in The Phils. If you hook up with a Pina and they can track you down after you leave, no doubt, you'll receive the 'happy' message that you're going to be a father. Followed by endless howling emojis of them needing cash.

Don't let the above put you off. We've all made mistakes and that's called experience..[/QUOTE]Thank you for the advice Phil. I'd say I'm decent looking, not 6 foot but close. I'll use PinaLove but I'll also hit the street. I'm going to stay in Makati City for a few days before heading to some place with a beach. This will be my first real mongering experience, and for sure I'll be going back. Even if this one is short, it will at least teach me how to play the game. I just got an extra phone with a phone number, so I'll be using that for messaging. I don't have any social media except Linkedin which I'll be deactivating soon. But you are right, if a girl tracks me down afterward, I should be expecting that sort of news for sure, haha, but then again, with no social media and fake phone number, it's going to be hard for them to track.

[QUOTE=Goferring;3021097]3/. One question, one reply, another question, another reply. If you list 10 questions, only the last one will be answered.[/QUOTE]Typical mistaken conversation style:

Guy: Did you say you have work? What kind of job? BTW how old are you? -- Pinay reply: [I]24[/I].

Asking questions in sentence or paragraph form = failure to get answers to your questions. Either ask them one at a time, or restate them in numbered or bulleted form, such as:

Guy: 1) Did you say you have work 2) What is your job? 3) BTW how old are you? Answer all please.

Either method is a pain, or lengthens the time of the conversation. Also due to possible limited Engrish, expect short replies to deeper questions you might ask:

Guy: Tell me about your family? -- Pinay reply: [I]4 brothers mama die[/I].

The information given has been invaluable!

And it all validates my experiences so far. Every time I've used sarcasm they get offended and they ignore multiple questions LOL. Also I get there next month I was just seeing what was out there. I'll table the talk and see who bites a few days before the flight.

[QUOTE=PhilJoy;3021089]Mate, just show up and don't over-think it. You're 24. When I was your age, I was swamped when I hit the ground. I was relatively fit though and a 'good sort' back then.

If you've only got a week, my advice would be not to spend hours in a hotel room looking on Pina when you can walk out the door and find pussy on the street.

In my opinion, both Angeles and Manila are shitholes, but you can have a great time if your mission is sex. I personally prefer other destinations in The Phils, but have more time between business and pleasure.

As for condoms, I've only ever been 'required' to use them twice from memory.

Just don't hook up with them on social media, and best to carry a separate phone for messaging and use in The Phils. If you hook up with a Pina and they can track you down after you leave, no doubt, you'll receive the 'happy' message that you're going to be a father. Followed by endless howling emojis of them needing cash..[/QUOTE][QUOTE=MrPalmerAcc;3021091]I was in AC in 2023 and was not too impressed because there is not much to do in the daytime. I enjoy Manila a lot more and feel like the quality of the girls is better (but also more expensive). In Manila, I recommend Makati. Stay at City Garden and the hotel staff will take good care of you: they always check the girls ID and never let them leave without calling you in your room and making sure you say it is ok for them to leave. On P. Burgos, one block away check out the gogo bars by starting at Kalayaan Avenue and working your way south to Maison. At first just walk into every bar and check out the girls. If you see one you like buy her a drink and see how she vibes with you. Work your way down to Maison, which is the best bar in my opinion and the one where I usually barfine. It's not the cheapest but I have always been able to find an absolute stunner who will start grinding on me and asking me to finger her in the bar after only one or a couple of lady drinks. They usually spend the night with me and if asked about condoms they give the words that I love to hear in the Philippines "up to you. "..[/QUOTE]Thank you very much for the advice. I appreciate the detail. I'll PM you regarding few other questions I had; hope you won't mind.

[QUOTE=Sinclair3;3021153]Thank you for the advice Phil. I'd say I'm decent looking, not 6 foot but close. I'll use PinaLove but I'll also hit the street. I'm going to stay in Makati City for a few days before heading to some place with a beach. This will be my first real mongering experience, and for sure I'll be going back. Even if this one is short, it will at least teach me how to play the game. I just got an extra phone with a phone number, so I'll be using that for messaging. I don't have any social media except Linkedin which I'll be deactivating soon. But you are right, if a girl tracks me down afterward, I should be expecting that sort of news for sure, haha, but then again, with no social media and fake phone number, it's going to be hard for them to track.[/QUOTE]If they have a date, and a room nr and a friend of a cousin working at the reception, they will easily get a copy of your passport, that's kept in the files, much better to use at the US embassy than a phone nr, or facebook page. There are a million ways to track you if needed, stick to the bargirls, because the one time shop clerks or waitresses will know who's baby it is.

[QUOTE=Goferring]Open Pinalove and I'm not exaggerating that 90% of the girls are from Makati / Manila area. The vast majority are happy to drop around at short notice or, worst case, after meeting for a coffee. I don't do ST but LT is 4 to 5 k with stunners / dreamers trying their luck for 7 or 8 k.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the pricing. Are you sure PL's search engine does not take into account your location, or did you use a VPN?

With effectively-legalised extortion on-the-rise over domestic arguments and non-consensual sex -- what precautions would you recommend with new contacts?

[URL]https://youtu.be/T89deQcVl2k?si=BX5YnKDpwpnM9-QW&t=1650[/URL] advises never to be alone in one's home with a female, even a maid.

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;3021154]Typical mistaken conversation style:
Guy: Tell me about your family? -- Pinay reply: [I]4 brothers mama die[/I].[/QUOTE]They should have some 'like' button on this forum.

Love it Westie.

_Phil.