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[QUOTE=Canada;3065935]Please provide me with the name of one of the underage girls. You can't because there aren't any. So quit your lies. It is embarrassing.[/QUOTE]It's the conspiracy du jour for Democrats.
If you don't like that one, all these assassination attempts on Trump have been staged.
[QUOTE=EihTooms;3066052]There is zero evidence or testimony that Trump reported anything to anybody in authority about what he and everybody knew Epstein was up to. That is not what my link says and you know it. The link has Trump thanking the police for arresting Epstein. The link does not have him reporting it to anyone. Nor is there a link or report stating the FBI or other investigation agency found a shred of evidence that Trump reported anything about it to anyone.
My guess is he called the police after his closest friend for 10 years, Epstein, was arrested for his crimes in order to get a sense for anything they might have on him too.[/QUOTE]You supplied the evidence in your last post. The post confirmed Trump reported Epstein to the authorities. No other person reported Epstein as they were his Democrat friends. You posted it so live with it. Biden was president controlled congress, FBI and DOJ. They spent millions of dollars trying to find dirt on Trump but they couldn't find anything. If there was one bit of evidence implicating Trump, Biden's crooked FBI and DOJ would have found it. They had the documents for 4 years and could not find one bit of evidence. Some people gave common sense on issues like these. Some just have hate. There never has been a party of hate as the democrats are now. Not sure why you are trying to join that hate group.
[QUOTE=Canada;3066098]You supplied the evidence in your last post. The post confirmed Trump reported Epstein to the authorities. No other person reported Epstein as they were his Democrat friends. You posted it so live with it. Biden was president controlled congress, FBI and DOJ. They spent millions of dollars trying to find dirt on Trump but they couldn't find anything. If there was one bit of evidence implicating Trump, Biden's crooked FBI and DOJ would have found it. They had the documents for 4 years and could not find one bit of evidence. Some people gave common sense on issues like these. Some just have hate. There never has been a party of hate as the democrats are now. Not sure why you are trying to join that hate group.[/QUOTE]There is nothing in that link that says he called anyone to report anything. Please quote the exact sentence that you think you see the words, "I have something to report" or "I'd like to tell you about my closest friend for 10 years" or anything of the kind.
There are quotes from the police of Trump saying things in that link. None of them are about him filing a report or even mentioning something in passing that Epstein hadn't already been arrested for.
It gets even worse for your boy. :
There was a move by the Trump White House to bury the report that Trump called the police to talk about Epstein at all because his "everyone knew" confession destroys his cover story that he didn't have a clue what his closest friend for 10 years was up to with all the kiddie-diddling in all directions every time the two hung out together over those 10 long years.
[B]WATCH: White House won't confirm whether Trump called Palm Beach sheriff about Epstein.[/B]
[URL]https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/watch-white-house-wont-confirm-whether-trump-called-palm-beach-sheriff-about-epstein[/URL]
Now, surely even you can figure out that if a phone call from Trump to the police had him reporting what his closest friend for 10 years was up to every time they hung out together Trump and his press secretary would be demanding that the file on that be released ASAP.
But, of course, they didn't.
[QUOTE=KeviKev68;3066071]You'll have the proof when Trump's DOJ quits fucking around and releases everything they have. Did Pam Biondi say that she had them on her desk?[/QUOTE]Please explain why Biden's DOJ did not release the Epstein files in Biden 4 year presidency. Where were you 2 years ago condemning Biden DOJ? Your hate for Trump is the only reason you keep talking about it. Face the facts there is nothing in the files that implicate Trump. I just can't believe how the Democrat party has so much hate.
[QUOTE=EihTooms;3065838]BTW, whatever happened to MDS? As I recall he was certain his no doubt 3rd sucker vote for Trump would be the end of "globalization", that Trump was going to destroy China's growing influence on World Trade and all those other blatantly obvious Trump campaign lies. I hope he chimes in on this latest event to clarify whatever part of that I might have misremembered.
Regardless, there were whole bunches of MAGAs who sucker voted for Trump 3 times in order to get about as opposite the results that Trump has produced so far in 5 1/2 years as so-called president as it could possibly get.
Not only has Trump's 2nd Failed Trade and Tariffs War with China gifted China with the greatest Trade Surplus in its history and continued his first failed Trade and Tariffs War's effect of slamming American farmers and small businesses into near or outright bankruptcy and lost international customers for the survivors to China, but his current trip to China with hat in hand is Pro China Globalization on Steroids!
Where are the representatives of American farmers, small businesses, etc who might also enjoy a morsel or two of charity those Corporate CEOs are hoping to get from Xi?
[B]Chinas record trade surplus reveals its biggest strength and hidden weakness..
Booming Chinese exports have driven trade surplus past $1tn but also reveal the extent of country's reliance on foreign markets.[/B]
[URL]https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/dec/09/chinas-record-high-trade-surplus-reveals-the-difficulty-trump-will-have-in-rebalancing-global-economy[/URL]
No problem, really. Xi could count on limp-dick Trump to rush in with whatever disastrous Repub War Mongering blunders necessary to shore up that momentary Chinese weakness:
[B]China April exports rebound strongly, trade surplus widens ahead of Trump visit.
May 9, 2026[/B]
[URL]https://www.reuters.com/world/china/china-april-exports-rebound-strongly-trade-surplus-widens-ahead-trump-visit-2026-05-09/[/URL]
[B]Trump kicks off high-stakes summit with Xi.[/B]
[URL]https://www.cnbc.com/2026/05/14/in-photos-trump-lands-in-beijing-ahead-of-high-stakes-summit-with-xi.html?__source=androidappshare[/URL][/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=EihTooms;3065709]
Oh look! Another Repub Trump's Liquor Cabinet member is working hard to create the next deadly, worldwide economy-destroying and hyper inflation-triggering Repub Pandemic:
[B]Experts worry 'we are not prepared' for pandemic under Trump, RFK Jr.[/B]
[URL]https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/health/2026/05/08/trump-rfk-jr-prepared-potential-pandemics/89991254007/[/URL]
Yeah, yeah, we already know what the MAGA response will be; "Hey, nobody could have predicted such a thing! It's just another wild coincidence! This new deadly, worldwide economy-destroying, hyper inflation-triggering Pandemic would have happened under any president including a Dem president"!
Uh. Nope.
And typically pro Repub Mainstream Media's predictable response? "Well, that Pandemic wasn't Trump's fault. [/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=EihTooms;3065529]Add these expert estimates of hundreds of thousands of deaths currently and millions and millions more deaths in the future to the millions of Trump's Mass Murder victim deaths he racked up already after one of his previous "defunding frenzy" efforts led directly to creating Trump's Pandemic.
See, unless Trump defunds these programs that have kept Americans and other people around the world alive, healthier and safer, where will his Trillions of Dollars in corporate welfare and more tax cuts for himself, his Crime Family and other billionaires come from?
[/QUOTE]Trump's Trade Wars were his second biggest fuckup. I don't believe he should have imposed massive tariffs on Chinese toys, textiles, consumer electronics and the like. They hurt them and they hurt us. And yes, they added to inflationary pressure.
Trump's huge mistake was not having his ducks in a row. The USA should have had alternative supplies of rare earth minerals and magnets on hand. It didn't, and now China has the USA by the balls. America's defense industry can't function without Chinese products. This is something that other USA Presidents, starting with Clinton, should have done something about. In the 1980's we had the lead in rare earth mining and processing. Our big rare earth mine was in California. Partly as a result of Democrats' "not in my backyard" mentality, and more importantly because of Chinese efficiency, we lost the lead. I'm a free trader, but you've got to have secure supplies of essential products. And Clinton, George W. Bush, Obama, Trump and Biden did nothing about that. And yes, Trump's the biggest dumb ass of the group, for launching a trade war against an "enemy" who was going to kick his ass because he didn't have the resources to wage the war.
That said, your belief that Trump's tariffs drove Chinese trade surpluses is just not true. China's trade surpluses would have grown regardless. And were they really that negative? The Chinese lived crappy lives, saved a lot, produced a lot, and sent us a lot of cheap stuff. We sent them paper (dollars) in return. We came out better.
I kind of agree with you about Robert F Kennedy Jr too. I'm not sure whether he's plain crazy or crazy like a fox. Has he cut back on mRNA vaccines, including for cancer treatment, and ceased recommending certain childhood vaccines because he's nutty? Or because he's doing the bidding of the plaintiff's bar, of which he's a member, which stands to make a butt load of money off suing vaccine makers and other big drug companies? Well, most plaintiff's lawyers are Democrats. And RFK, Jr. Is a Democrat. Hmm, sounds like a fox in a henhouse!
So my wild guess is crazy like a fox.
On the subject of Trump's alleged role in the origins of the pandemic and USA preparedness we really part company. I believe the USA had a grand total of ONE CDC epidemiologist in Beijing who was withdrawn before COVID. The Chinese probably had thousands. And China was extremely tight lipped about the pandemic. Before the lockdowns in Wuhan, Ro for the virus was around 5. 7, meaning each infected person was transmitting the virus to about 6 people. The total number of people infected was doubling every 2. 2 to 3. 3 days:
[URL]https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/26/7/20-0282_article[/URL]
The problem is that there was a comparatively long lag between when people were infected and when they showed symptoms. So there were a lot of Typhoid Mary's running around.
Remember Trumped stopped travel from China and Europe early on, and Biden accused him of xenophobia.
The last USA President before Trump who appreciated the harm that would come from a pandemic was George W. Bush. Bush built up a stockpile of over 100 million N95 masks. Under Obama that dropped to around 15 million and was never replenished.
I personally had about 40 N95 masks in 2020 when the pandemic hit, which I'd stockpiled since SARS around 2003. They came in handy. While Elvis was likely risking life and limb to bang sugar babies in Colombia almost for free in 2020, I was traveling secure, knowing my medical grade N95 respirator would protect me from come what may. If I'd been president we would have had billions of N95 masks stockpiled before COVID. Maybe I should run for president. Nah, the work of the Church of Tiny, bringing free market principles to you heathen, is too important to get distracted.
[QUOTE=Tiny12;3066234]Trump's Trade Wars were his second biggest fuckup. I don't believe he should have imposed massive tariffs on Chinese toys, textiles, consumer electronics and the like. They hurt them and they hurt us. And yes, they added to inflationary pressure.
Trump's huge mistake was not having his ducks in a row. The USA should have had alternative supplies of rare earth minerals and magnets on hand. It didn't, and now China has the USA by the balls. America's defense industry can't function without Chinese products. This is something that other USA Presidents, starting with Clinton, should have done something about. In the 1980's we had the lead in rare earth mining and processing. Our big rare earth mine was in California. Partly as a result of Democrats' "not in my backyard" mentality, and more importantly because of Chinese efficiency, we lost the lead. I'm a free trader, but you've got to have secure supplies of essential products. And Clinton, George W. Bush, Obama, Trump and Biden did nothing about that. And yes, Trump's the biggest dumb ass of the group, for launching a trade war against an "enemy" who was going to kick his ass because he didn't have the resources to wage the war.
That said, your belief that Trump's tariffs drove Chinese trade surpluses is just not true. China's trade surpluses would have grown regardless. And were they really that negative? The Chinese lived crappy lives, saved a lot, produced a lot, and sent us a lot of cheap stuff. We sent them paper (dollars) in return. We came out better.
I kind of agree with you about Robert F Kennedy Jr too. I'm not sure whether he's plain crazy or crazy like a fox. Has he cut back on mRNA vaccines, including for cancer treatment, and ceased recommending certain childhood vaccines because he's nutty? Or because he's doing the bidding of the plaintiff's bar, of which he's a member, which stands to make a butt load of money off suing vaccine makers and other big drug companies? Well, most plaintiff's lawyers are Democrats. And RFK, Jr. Is a Democrat. Hmm, sounds like a fox in a henhouse!
So my wild guess is crazy like a fox.
On the subject of Trump's alleged role in the origins of the pandemic and USA preparedness we really part company. I believe the USA had a grand total of ONE CDC epidemiologist in Beijing who was withdrawn before COVID. The Chinese probably had thousands. And China was extremely tight lipped about the pandemic. Before the lockdowns in Wuhan, Ro for the virus was around 5. 7, meaning each infected person was transmitting the virus to about 6 people. The total number of people infected was doubling every 2. 2 to 3. 3 days:
[URL]https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/26/7/20-0282_article[/URL]
The problem is that there was a comparatively long lag between when people were infected and when they showed symptoms. So there were a lot of Typhoid Mary's running around.
Remember Trumped stopped travel from China and Europe early on, and Biden accused him of xenophobia.
The last USA President before Trump who appreciated the harm that would come from a pandemic was George W. Bush. Bush built up a stockpile of over 100 million N95 masks. Under Obama that dropped to around 15 million and was never replenished.
I personally had about 40 N95 masks in 2020 when the pandemic hit, which I'd stockpiled since SARS around 2003. They came in handy. While Elvis was likely risking life and limb to bang sugar babies in Colombia almost for free in 2020, I was traveling secure, knowing my medical grade N95 respirator would protect me from come what may. If I'd been president we would have had billions of N95 masks stockpiled before COVID. Maybe I should run for president. Nah, the work of the Church of Tiny, bringing free market principles to you heathen, is too important to get distracted.[/QUOTE]The huge, glaring, fatal flaw in any critique of a Trump decision unfortunately "gone wrong" is the preposterous assumption and premise that he meant well, was trying to do the right thing for America, its economy, its national security, the American people, blah blah blah but, darn ut all, he just called it wrong or he didn't focus on it enough or his way of going about it was endearingly unfiltered and blunt but just you wait two weeks and it will all be clear what he was up to for the sake of the country or whateverthefuck excuse you people come up with when there is zero evidence that any decision, word or syllable that comes out of his pie-hole and that has ever come out of his pie-hole is meant to benefit anyone but himself, his Crime Family and possibly a few others in his circle to whom he owes big favors and the more damage and harm that befalls everyone else along the way, the better.
This is the MAGA Bill Maher take on it. Apparently. And that is what makes MAGA Bill Maher look and sound like a blithering, oblivious idiot regarding Trump.
The crap results Trump produces for everyone other than himself and his tight inner circle is THE feature and not a glitch. To Trump, the glitch is whenever something inadvertently winds up profiting anyone other than himself and his tight inner circle because that only demonstrates to him that he left something of value on the table that should have been his but somebody else reached out and scooped up those scraps first.
And, of course, you are wrong about Trump's supposed "travel ban" meant to prevent his Pandemic from doing whatever it damn well was going to do right under his disinterested nose anyway and what Biden did and didn't say about it. You apparently believed what Trump said about those things. But, as you and everyone else on the plant ought to know by now, Trump is a pathological liar:
[B]The Facts on Trumps Travel Restrictions.[/B]
[URL]https://www.factcheck.org/2020/03/the-facts-on-trumps-travel-restrictions/[/URL]
[QUOTE]Trump has referred to the travel restrictions as a travel ban. There isnt an outright ban, as there are exceptions, including for Americans and their family members.
Trump said he was bold in imposing travel restrictions even though everybody said, its too early, its too soon and a lot of people that work on this stuff almost exclusively told him dont do it. Health and Human Services Secretary Alex Azar said the decision stemmed from the uniform recommendations of the career public health officials here at HHS.
Trump said Democrats loudly criticized and protested his announced travel restrictions, and that they called me a racist because I made that decision. Trump is overstating Democratic opposition. None of the partys congressional leaders and none of the Democratic candidates running for president have directly criticized that decision, though at least two Democrats have.
Trump said the travel restrictions saved a lot of lives and reduced U.S. COVID-19 cases to a very small number. But experts say there isnt enough data to make that determination. A study in the journal Science found the various travel limitations across the globe initially helped to slow the spread, but the number of cases worldwide rose anyway because the virus had already begun traveling undetected internationally.
(And more)[/QUOTE][B]Trumps Misleading Comments on Biden and the Coronavirus.[/B]
[URL]https://www.factcheck.org/2020/07/trumps-misleading-comments-on-biden-and-the-coronavirus/[/URL]
[QUOTE]In July 14 remarks in the White House Rose Garden, President Donald Trump made a series of false, misleading and unsupported statements about the novel coronavirus and presumptive Democratic presidential nominee Joe Bidens position on it.
[Quote]Trump, July 14: Biden.opposed my very strict travel ban on Chinese nationals to stop the spread of the China virus. He was totally against it. Xenophobic, he called me. Xenophobic. A month later, he admitted I was right.
(See more)[/quote]
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[B]Biden supported China travel restrictions.[/b] Trump charged without evidence or elaboration that if he had listened to Biden, hundreds of thousands of additional lives would have been lost. We asked the White House what he was referring to, but it provided no response, nor did the Trump campaign.
It seems likely the president was referring to the travel restrictions, since he said that Biden opposed my very strict travel ban. In fact, Biden took no position on the China restrictions when they were implemented.
On March 12, Biden tweeted:
[Quote]A wall will not stop the coronavirus.
Banning all travel from Europe or any other part of the world will not stop it.
This disease could impact every nation and any person on the planet and we need a plan to combat it.
7:05 AM Mar 13, 2020[/quote]
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[B]Biden called Trump xenophobic. [/b]Trump is right that Biden called him xenophobic. But Biden didnt make clear why he said that. The Biden campaign has said that was not in connection with the China travel restrictions.
As we have written, on the day the White House announced the restrictions, Biden said at a campaign event in Iowa that as the pandemic unfolds, Americans need to have a president who they can trust what he says about it, that he is going to act rationally about it. He added, This is no time for Donald Trumps record of hysteria and xenophobia hysterical xenophobia and fearmongering to lead the way instead of science.
The Biden campaign says Bidens reference to xenophobia was about Trumps long record of scapegoating others at a time when the virus was emerging from China, and that he was not talking about the travel rules.[/QUOTE]Even the memes characterizing Trump as "dumb" misses the point that, for example, he knew Xi was not just referring to anything that happened under Biden re the "decline" of America but under Trump too. Trump knew. He simply lied about it, that's all.
[QUOTE=Canada;3066197]Please explain why Biden's DOJ did not release the Epstein files in Biden 4 year presidency. Where were you 2 years ago condemning Biden DOJ? Your hate for Trump is the only reason you keep talking about it. Face the facts there is nothing in the files that implicate Trump. I just can't believe how the Democrat party has so much hate.[/QUOTE]The difference is the Epstein files release is a law that Congress passed and Trump signed into law. This was not the case in Biden Administration. I know being a convict and all it's difficult for Trump to follow the law. He's struggling.
You sign a bill that becomes law it is binding on you. Please have Trump release the said files expeditiously!
Trumo went into China this week limping and sempering to "Chairman" Xi. It reminded me of the opening scene in Godfather when the undertaker asks Vito Corleone to give him justice for his daughter. He gets scolded and begs the Godfather for help and kissing the ring finger.
It was embarrassing and made America look weak. He let Xi dress him down about China's policy against Taiwan.
[QUOTE=Tiny12;3066234]I kind of agree with you about Robert F Kennedy Jr too. I'm not sure whether he's plain crazy or crazy like a fox. Has he cut back on mRNA vaccines, including for cancer treatment, and ceased recommending certain childhood vaccines because he's nutty? Or because he's doing the bidding of the plaintiff's bar, of which he's a member, which stands to make a butt load of money off suing vaccine makers and other big drug companies? Well, most plaintiff's lawyers are Democrats. And RFK, Jr. Is a Democrat. Hmm, sounds like a fox in a henhouse![/QUOTE]LOL, One of the things that kills me with the provaxx crowd is they think they are rational. First off, vaccine manufacturers have legal immunity. They were given legal immunity because even they admitted how a given person reacts to vaccines was so unpredictable.
The way to think about infections is as a war. You have the guys who are usually good which are your antibodies, and the bad guys which are the pathogens. The immune system is your defense. So if the enemy is coming in at war in airplanes, you show the immune system a fake plane, and it reacts and makes anti-aircraft guns.
Just like industrial capacity and war, if you focus on anti-aircraft guns, you are not producing material protecting you from naval and land attacks. And just like with war, your anti-aircraft guns can result in friendly fire, the death of tissue attacked by your immune system. Of course, you would think that if a virus is known to attack by air, and you have anti-aircraft guns, you would assume that they work to fight the disease. Well, you would be wrong. All a vaccine manufacturer has to do is prove their vaccine produces the guns. They do not have to prove the guns actually work.
Why would the guns not work? Well, this is war, and some of the pathogens overcome and adapt. That was the problem with the Covid vaccine. When the virus mutated, the vaccines no longer worked. Even the vaccine manufacturers admitted that.
To be provaxx then is to say it is acceptable to mandate a treatment with no proven benefit but proven risk. That is not rational to me.
Instead of lighting up the sky willy nilly, it makes a helluva lot more sense to identify a pathogen in a sick person. IOW, you know it is plane attacking you. You have anti-aircraft guns made outside of the body, and you only use them when you know when someone is sick and when someone is infected with a given pathogen or in this case of this analogy, you know that it is aircraft attacking you.
The notion that vaccines cannot cause autism is bird brained too. All defense items are not equal when it comes to friendly fire, and strep antibodies may be the worst with bad friendly fire. I hope you never see a case of Pandas, [URL]https://www.nimh.nih.gov/health/publications/pandas[/URL]#text=Pediatric%20 Autoimmune%20 Neuropsychiatric%20 Disorders%20 Associated%20 with%20 Streptococcal%20 Infections%20 (PANDAS).
If you see a kid who is fine one day, gets a strep infection and goes full blown autistic the next, you will never forget it. PANDAS are strep antibodies attacking the brain. This is friendly fire of the worst kind. The idea that vaccine antibodies cannot cause autism but natural ones can is stupidity of the highest order. They are the EXACT same thing.
[QUOTE=Tiny12;3066234]While Elvis was likely risking life and limb to bang sugar babies in Colombia almost for free in 2020, I was traveling secure, knowing my medical grade N95 respirator would protect me from come what may.[/QUOTE]LOL. And you are not doing it now? So to use my analogy, are you saying there are no pathogens attacking in the air today? Because that is totally wrong. And you are saying N95 masks have no side effects? Again, that is totally wrong. There has been a study or two that N95 masks work with regards to influenza but none shown to work with Covid. So here we go again. You are advocating spending money on resources with proven risk and no proven benefit and leaving yourself broke and unable to pay for therapies proven to work. That makes no sense.
Unlike the fake heterosexual HIV crisis and the fake prescription opioid crisis, at least Covid had real victims and sick people. That said, for myself, I estimated the risk of dying on a trip to be about one in a thousand which is about the same as drowning. So my risk going to Colombia was the same as going swimming in the ocean.
In reality, isolation DID increase the death rate from suicide early on in the crisis, and the odds of dying by your own hand are one in 85. So here we go again. Generalized Isolation carried a known risk and I would argue it offered no benefit. Of course, isolating yourself from people known to be sick would be a different matter.
[QUOTE=Tiny12;3066234]The problem is that there was a comparatively long lag between when people were infected and when they showed symptoms.[/QUOTE]Yeah, I do not buy that. One study showed only 9% of asymptomatic Covid patients were potentially infectious. Well, that is great, but what does asymptomatic mean? It is a new virus. You have no idea what all the symptoms even are. If you wanted to cash in on the vaccine payouts, you would greatly exaggerate asymptomatic Covid, and asymptomatic transmission did not match my personal reality. I cannot recal one time a person was sick with Covid and did not know who or where they got it from. Not one.
Thing is you had all this mass screenings. If you personally saw a thousand people get swabbed and none had Covid at the height of the pandemic, and you NEVER saw anyone test + for Covid and was asymptomatic, you would be skeptical too.
And if you had what I had in Colombia in 2020 and could not see said women, well hell, I guarantee you would be depressed too.
Self explanatory foto attached.
There always seem to be members on all political forums who tout China. Just like we have people defending Russian aggression or Ukrainian independence.
China is a great nation with a great economic success story. However, economists will tell you economies don't beat the natural-occurring economic cycles. The Chinese governments are furiously spending and investing to avoid the inevitable recession. The longer this is forestalled the longer and / or more severe the recession.
Some Sinophiles call this Western capitalism and say it doesn't apply to China. The reality of economic cycles has hit every nation that embarked on rapid industrialization. Japan, Brazil and yes even the Soviet Union. It's not Western capitalism it is simply the law of economics. It has no nationality or philosophy.
Now I think the trade war with China was inevitable as they continued to expand their export sector. It's not just the United States. Europe is increasingly concerned with Chinese mercantilism.
I see many are trying to assess the Chinese situation versus the United States and the rest of the world in real time. Even if my words above don't register, I can tell you it's futile trying to read what's happening in a nation that is secretive and not above publishing inaccurate or incomplete economic data. So gentlemen, we don't know what is happening to the Chinese economy. I will grant you China has shiny, new airports though.
[QUOTE=KeviKev68;3066261]The difference is the Epstein files release is a law that Congress passed and Trump signed into law. This was not the case in Biden Administration. I know being a convict and all it's difficult for Trump to follow the law. He's struggling.
You sign a bill that becomes law it is binding on you. Please have Trump release the said files expeditiously![/QUOTE]Get over it. They never are going to implicate Trump with Epstein. There is nothing there. If you are so obsessed with an issue like this you must lead a miserable life. I feel sorry for you. There are so many good things in life to think about rather than obsessed on an issue like this. We didn't obsess about Biden destroying America or Trudeau destroying Canada because life is to short for that.
[QUOTE=EihTooms;3066260]The huge, glaring, fatal flaw in any critique of a Trump decision unfortunately "gone wrong" is the preposterous assumption and premise that he meant well, was trying to do the right thing for America, its economy, its national security, the American people, blah blah blah but, darn ut all, he just called it wrong or he didn't focus on it enough or his way of going about it was endearingly unfiltered and blunt but just you wait two weeks and it will all be clear what he was up to for the sake of the country or whateverthefuck excuse you people come up with when there is zero evidence that any decision, word or syllable that comes out of his pie-hole and that has ever come out of his pie-hole is meant to benefit anyone but himself, his Crime Family and possibly a few others in his circle to whom he owes big favors and the more damage and harm that befalls everyone else along the way, the better.
This is the MAGA Bill Maher take on it. Apparently. And that is what makes MAGA Bill Maher look and sound like a blithering, oblivious idiot regarding Trump..[/QUOTE]Obviously you have no clue of what the tariffs do to a countries economy. Almost every country in the world uses tariffs to stabilize their economy and to protect the labor force in their country. In the past 40 years Europe, China, Canada have charged tariffs on USA products in some cases up to 100% when USA had limited tariffs on these countries. In the past 40 years when countries like China flooded the market with steel products high tariffs were enforced for several years by different presidents. Trump is the only president who is actually trying to get fair tariffs with every country. Remember every country is putting tariffs on USA products. Canada for one has tariffed USA from to eliminate USA products from entering Canada. Now Canada has a real problem has the agreements expire May 31,2026 and 86% of Canada exports to USA are going to be tariffed. Carney has to start kissing Trumps ass quickly or our economy is destroyed. 88% of Canada exports go to USA. Some companies have already left Canada and moved across the border to USA because they have no confidence in Carney. Thank god you have a president like Trump that will look after the USA companies and the USA citizens. From I see he is the first president to really care about American people and jobs. If you aren't smart enough to understand this so be it. America is winning. Canada is losing. If you really are American you should be happy.
[QUOTE=Tiny12;3066234]Trump's Trade Wars were his second biggest fuckup. I don't believe he should have imposed massive tariffs on Chinese toys, textiles, consumer electronics and the like. They hurt them and they hurt us. And yes, they added to inflationary pressure.
Trump's huge mistake was not having his ducks in a row. The USA should have had alternative supplies of rare earth minerals and magnets on hand. It didn't, and now China has the USA by the balls. America's defense industry can't function without Chinese products. This is something that other USA Presidents, starting with Clinton, should have done something about. In the 1980's we had the lead in rare earth mining and processing. Our big rare earth mine was in California. Partly as a result of Democrats' "not in my backyard" mentality, and more importantly because of Chinese efficiency, we lost the lead. I'm a free trader, but you've got to have secure supplies of essential products. And Clinton, George W. Bush, Obama, Trump and Biden did nothing about that. And yes, Trump's the biggest dumb ass of the group, for launching a trade war against an "enemy" who was going to kick his ass because he didn't have the resources to wage the war.
That said, your belief that Trump's tariffs drove Chinese trade surpluses is just not true. China's trade surpluses would have grown regardless. And were they really that negative? The Chinese lived crappy lives, saved a lot, produced a lot, and sent us a lot of cheap stuff. We sent them paper (dollars) in return. We came out better.
I kind of agree with you about Robert F Kennedy Jr too. I'm not sure whether he's plain crazy or crazy like a fox. Has he cut back on mRNA vaccines, including for cancer treatment, and ceased recommending certain childhood vaccines because he's nutty? Or because he's doing the bidding of the plaintiff's bar, of which he's a member, which stands to make a butt load of money off suing vaccine makers and other big drug companies? Well, most plaintiff's lawyers are Democrats. And RFK, Jr. Is a Democrat. Hmm, sounds like a fox in a henhouse!
So my wild guess is crazy like a fox.
On the subject of Trump's alleged role in the origins of the pandemic and USA preparedness we really part company. I believe the USA had a grand total of ONE CDC epidemiologist in Beijing who was withdrawn before COVID. The Chinese probably had thousands. And China was extremely tight lipped about the pandemic. Before the lockdowns in Wuhan, Ro for the virus was around 5. 7, meaning each infected person was transmitting the virus to about 6 people. The total number of people infected was doubling every 2. 2 to 3. 3 days:.[/QUOTE]Yes China trade surplus is the largest in the world and thanks to presidents like Obama and Biden USA had huge trade deficits. These trade deficits destroyed manufacturing jobs in USA over the last few decades. Trump is the first president to actually address this. Weak presidents like Obama and Biden let China flood our country with cheap products forcing USA companies to try to compete. China exports are subsidized by the Chinese government and They don't care if they lose money as long as they can destroy the completion. It made it difficult for USA companies to compete or raise wages. With the tariffs we see some products going up a little but USA workers are getting the benefit of it. Wages are up and several countries have committed Billions to move their manufacturing to USA including Canada. In the next year USA economy is going to soar and everyone will see the benefits of these tariffs. Short term pain for saving America jobs. But unfortunately there are the few that hate America and would rather buy Chinese junk products rather than support Americans. Can't believe there are so many on this site supporting China and Iran and demonizing USA.
[QUOTE=Elvis2008;3066289]LOL, One of the things that kills me with the provaxx crowd is they think they are rational. First off, vaccine manufacturers have legal immunity. They were given legal immunity because even they admitted how a given person reacts to vaccines was so unpredictable.
The way to think about infections is as a war. You have the guys who are usually good which are your antibodies, and the bad guys which are the pathogens. The immune system is your defense. So if the enemy is coming in at war in airplanes, you show the immune system a fake plane, and it reacts and makes anti-aircraft guns.
Just like industrial capacity and war, if you focus on anti-aircraft guns, you are not producing material protecting you from naval and land attacks. And just like with war, your anti-aircraft guns can result in friendly fire, the death of tissue attacked by your immune system. Of course, you would think that if a virus is known to attack by air, and you have anti-aircraft guns, you would assume that they work to fight the disease. Well, you would be wrong. All a vaccine manufacturer has to do is prove their vaccine produces the guns. They do not have to prove the guns actually work.
Why would the guns not work? Well, this is war, and some of the pathogens overcome and adapt. That was the problem with the Covid vaccine. When the virus mutated, the vaccines no longer worked. Even the vaccine manufacturers admitted that.
To be provaxx then is to say it is acceptable to mandate a treatment with no proven benefit but proven risk. That is not rational to me.
Instead of lighting up the sky willy nilly, it makes a helluva lot more sense to identify a pathogen in a sick person. IOW, you know it is plane attacking you. You have anti-aircraft guns made outside of the body, and you only use them when you know when someone is sick and when someone is infected with a given pathogen or in this case of this analogy, you know that it is aircraft attacking you.
The notion that vaccines cannot cause autism is bird brained too. All defense items are not equal when it comes to friendly fire, and strep antibodies may be the worst with bad friendly fire. I hope you never see a case of Pandas, [URL]https://www.nimh.nih.gov/health/publications/pandas[/URL]#text=Pediatric%20 Autoimmune%20 Neuropsychiatric%20 Disorders%20 Associated%20 with%20 Streptococcal%20 Infections%20 (PANDAS).
If you see a kid who is fine one day, gets a strep infection and goes full blown autistic the next, you will never forget it. PANDAS are strep antibodies attacking the brain. This is friendly fire of the worst kind. The idea that vaccine antibodies cannot cause autism but natural ones can is stupidity of the highest order. They are the EXACT same thing.
LOL. And you are not doing it now? So to use my analogy, are you saying there are no pathogens attacking in the air today? Because that is totally wrong. And you are saying N95 masks have no side effects? Again, that is totally wrong. There has been a study or two that N95 masks work with regards to influenza but none shown to work with Covid. So here we go again. You are advocating spending money on resources with proven risk and no proven benefit and leaving yourself broke and unable to pay for therapies proven to work. That makes no sense.
Unlike the fake heterosexual HIV crisis and the fake prescription opioid crisis, at least Covid had real victims and sick people. That said, for myself, I estimated the risk of dying on a trip to be about one in a thousand which is about the same as drowning. So my risk going to Colombia was the same as going swimming in the ocean.
In reality, isolation DID increase the death rate from suicide early on in the crisis, and the odds of dying by your own hand are one in 85. So here we go again. Generalized Isolation carried a known risk and I would argue it offered no benefit. Of course, isolating yourself from people known to be sick would be a different matter.
Yeah, I do not buy that. One study showed only 9% of asymptomatic Covid patients were potentially infectious. Well, that is great, but what does asymptomatic mean? It is a new virus. You have no idea what all the symptoms even are. If you wanted to cash in on the vaccine payouts, you would greatly exaggerate asymptomatic Covid, and asymptomatic transmission did not match my personal reality. I cannot recal one time a person was sick with Covid and did not know who or where they got it from. Not one.
Thing is you had all this mass screenings. If you personally saw a thousand people get swabbed and none had Covid at the height of the pandemic, and you NEVER saw anyone test + for Covid and was asymptomatic, you would be skeptical too.
And if you had what I had in Colombia in 2020 and could not see said women, well hell, I guarantee you would be depressed too.[/QUOTE]Apologies Elvis, my reference to you was intended to be a compliment combined with humor. Obviously it didn't come off that way. You wrote some great reports in the Seeking thread about Colombia during COVID that I enjoyed reading. When I'd get to Mexico after 9 hours solid wearing a medical grade 3 M N95 mask I'd have red marks all over my face and be darn uncomfortable. You on the other hand probably arrived fresh as a daisy.
I've looked at a lot of papers on masks -- statistical and epidemiological studies, descriptions of the physics and chemistry of how N95 masks work with aerosols and droplets, and a couple where they'd put mask material (or not for the control group) between a laboratory rat with COVID and one that was healthy. I'm convinced respirator masks work. Yeah, in the real world, maybe the decrease in probability of infection might be 50% or 60%. But when you wore them the right way and consistently, like I did when appropriate before I got the COVID vaccines, I believe the probability goes up to 80% I usually get 2 or 3 colds a year. I don't believe I got a single cold for about 2 years. And yeah, to this day, when I'm not around people I know, I'll mask up in an airport or on a plane when people are coughing or sneezing. Not because of COVID but because I don't want to get sick.
No, I don't believe the "side effects" of N95 masks, from oxygen deprivation or whatever, for someone like me outweighed the benefits. Yeah, for a nurse in an infectious disease ward who wears one 8 hours a day, possibly. But I doubt it. Distance runners and swimmers go to places like Mexico City to train. People live at high altitudes and they're probably healthier than average.
You're probably younger than I am. A male my age in 2020 had a shade above a 1% probability of dying if he contracted COVID. The odds were probably better for me as I was in good shape for my age and, contrary to what the Marquesa believes, not overweight. But 1% is significant. Your probability of dying in an auto accident during your lifetime is about 1%. If you're smart, you'll wear seatbelts, regardless of whether the law requires it. I had an opportunity to climb a volcano in Mexico but didn't because I figured the probability I'd die on it was about 0. 4%. A person Tooms age not living in a place like Thailand would have had a much higher probability of death from COVID than I did. Which perhaps is the reason you weren't paranoid about COVID, and I was, and Tooms apparently doubly was.
I did know 3 people who died of COVID. Two were in their late 70's or 80's. One was only about 5 years older than me, but was overweight and a heavy drinker. A good friend's cousin died from it in his 20's, but I believe he was overweight too. Finally, to be fair, one of my best friends may have been one of the 1 in 100,000 or 1,000,000 cases who died from the COVID vaccine. The doctors at UT Southwest thought there was a greater than 50% probability the vaccine activated a rare immunological disorder.
As to vaccines and autism, I'm no expert, so won't attempt to debate it with you. I believe however there's no cause and effect and it's something the trial lawyers including RFK Jr. Cooked up, with the help of a few physicians like Andrew Wakefield (who allegedly published fraudulent work), to make money. They did something similar with silicone breast implants, putting Dow Corning out of business.
As to the COVID vaccine, yes, the effectiveness did go way down in preventing infection, but it still reduced the probability of hospitalization and death substantially.
And around the beginning of 2022 as I recall, Paxlovid came out. Paxlovid is analogous to using anti-aircraft guns when you know you're being attacked by planes, from your explanation. It's highly effective at reducing death and hospitalization too. That doesn't mean I'm going to give up on getting boosters. Yes, there are risks, and perhaps thousands died in the USA from COVID vaccines. But it's a numbers game and if you're my age or older the vaccines make sense.
When I came down with COVID for the first and only time I know of, maybe about 3 years into the pandemic, it wasn't nearly as bad as a common cold. Probably part of the reason was I got my boosters and took Paxlovid.
Looking back, I agree with you about isolation. Where we don't agree are masks. I believe they were a tool that helped negate the argument for isolation. BTW, I don't believe government should have mandated masks or vaccines. But also I don't believe businesses, especially hospitals and assisted living facilities and the like, should have been prevented from requiring them for employment.
Finally, again, from the CDC article, COVID cases were doubling in Wuhan every 2. 2 to 3. 3 days. Symptomatic or asymptomatic, with that rate of spread there's not a lot Trump or the USA or the WHO could have done to prevent the epidemic from become a pandemic.
I'm having hell using the website lately so if you come back with something and I don't reply that's most likely why. I had to paste this one into an email and then copy to the site on my cell phone.