Jakarta

Any guide on how to get civvies for fun? Tried okcupid and tinder but most of the girls are looking for marriage. I'm hoping love with civvies will be more satisfying vs pro one.

[QUOTE=NoGermaphobe;3018678]This is where being friendly with a mamasan or two can be helpful as they can pull a lady not on the couch from the dressing rooms for you. I've had several mamasans recognize me and pull a new arrival from the dressing room.[/QUOTE]Essential advice whether in Classic, Travel, Lokasari, etc. In Jakarta, mamasans can not only unlock access to hidden talent, they can be critical to curating talent to your preferences.

I have observed a number of posts where punters flex about how they will go to the payment counter at Classic to ensure they can snatch up the IDR35 k (yes, 2 fucking Euro) change so that mami gets nothing extra from the ticket. Of course that's up to the punter to be as pennywise as they want to be, but IMHO it should then be no surprise that they always get the lineup of couch girls. Mami will keep her best stock in reserve for punters that matter. Unless you bother to cultivate a relationship, mami will usually just do the minimum perfunctory lineup routine and point the laser until you pick whatever. Enjoy Jakarta, AR.

[QUOTE=PartyAnimal;3019563]Any guide on how to get civvies for fun? Tried okcupid and tinder but most of the girls are looking for marriage. I'm hoping love with civvies will be more satisfying vs pro one.[/QUOTE]Add Bumble and Badoo to your toolkit. Don't know about OkCupid, but Tinder / Bumble / Badoo should get you enough girls on a daily basis for you to sift thru and figure out who's DTF and who isn't. Don't use Tantan! Yes, unfortunately most of the girls on these apps are looking for something serious or at least wanting to know you're going to be there a while before they just give it up. With this being said, the amount of girls that would be willing to do a ONS or that you can work towards that with will be limited. Find out if they have a curfew, live with family, or live alone, as these should help you decide who to take out on a date. Don't know what timeline you're working with, but unfortunately this isn't the Philippines where girls will straight up tell you they want your meat or you can easily invite back to your place to watch movies on your Ipad LOL. Also, if she has a job then that leaves limited time for you to charm her into your bed. Many of these girls don't want to seem like sluts when they're actually up for it. Try and stick with the girls that live alone or don't have a curfew, it'll give you more time to make something happen with her that night. I don't know your specs or time limit, but unless you go to the mongering spots or use Seeking, then your other bets are going to the Clubs. Try Club Zoo, lots of cuties there where you might be able to make something happen, but be careful of the bule hunters (freelancers). Apparently those girls like to frequent bars / clubs foreigners go to to get customers. My 2 cents, good luck!

I've hit a rough patch recently whereby the last new girls I've chosen, gave a very poor service. Many of them even refusing to give a blowjob! WTF. That's happened at least.

3 out of the last 5 time (in Classic T2 and T5). It kills the mood for me, and I walk out of the room, often after 15 minutes, having received neither a BJ, not sex.

I tell mami that the girl was shit, and make my disappointment very clear. Mami of course, doesn't really give a shit.

What would you do in this situation?

[QUOTE=Dickaprio;3019540]With due respect, beg to differ with this suggestion, as I personally have had nice time with a young pretty gal at the ground floor club. I also noticed that mamasans are reasonably less aggressive there. Yes it is true that prices are higher than T2 however rooms are nicely decorated and cleaner. My two cents.[/QUOTE]Yours is the first positive post about the ground floor in the 2 years I have been reading. Read all the posts in the last 2 years. Floor 3 and 5 are talked about ALL the time. The downstairs massage mentioned here and there. Ground floor is the least mentioned and has always been negative.

[QUOTE=GuyReynolds;3019597]Add Bumble and Badoo to your toolkit. Don't know about OkCupid, but Tinder / Bumble / Badoo should get you enough girls on a daily basis for you to sift thru and figure out who's DTF and who isn't. Don't use Tantan! Yes, unfortunately most of the girls on these apps are looking for something serious or at least wanting to know you're going to be there a while before they just give it up. With this being said, the amount of girls that would be willing to do a ONS or that you can work towards that with will be limited. Find out if they have a curfew, live with family, or live alone, as these should help you decide who to take out on a date. Don't know what timeline you're working with, but unfortunately this isn't the Philippines where girls will straight up tell you they want your meat or you can easily invite back to your place to watch movies on your Ipad LOL. Also, if she has a job then that leaves limited time for you to charm her into your bed. Many of these girls don't want to seem like sluts when they're actually up for it. Try and stick with the girls that live alone or don't have a curfew, it'll give you more time to make something happen with her that night. I don't know your specs or time limit, but unless you go to the mongering spots or use Seeking, then your other bets are going to the Clubs. Try Club Zoo, lots of cuties there where you might be able to make something happen, but be careful of the bule hunters (freelancers). Apparently those girls like to frequent bars / clubs foreigners go to to get customers. My 2 cents, good luck![/QUOTE]Thanks. I'll add the apps to the list (damn combined those are expensive than the cost of mongering itself). I travel here once a month or atleast every 2 months. So even a long term sugar arrangement works as well. Looking for a non pro hence avoiding clubs else BATS used to be my place as I stayed in the hotel itself quite often.

[QUOTE=GuyReynolds;3019597], . Many of these girls but unless you go to the mongering spots or use Seeking, then your other bets are going to the Clubs. s, good luck![/QUOTE]I didn't realise Seeking is active in Jakarta too. What is the scence like in JK for seeking girls? Any guidance on allowance?

[QUOTE=Fudimaar;3019608]I've hit a rough patch recently whereby the last new girls I've chosen, gave a very poor service. Many of them even refusing to give a blowjob! WTF. That's happened at least.

3 out of the last 5 time (in Classic T2 and T5). It kills the mood for me, and I walk out of the room, often after 15 minutes, having received neither a BJ, not sex.

I tell mami that the girl was shit, and make my disappointment very clear. Mami of course, doesn't really give a shit.

What would you do in this situation?[/QUOTE]I do the same and often doesn't even tell Mami. I'm more concerned about beating the Sildenafil iron while it's hot than about losing some money. I concentrate on sessioning another girl ASAP.

[QUOTE=Fudimaar;3019608]Many of them even refusing to give a blowjob! WTF.
I tell mami that the girl was shit, and make my disappointment very clear. Mami of course, doesn't really give a shit.
What would you do in this situation?[/QUOTE]I have now observed several posts where pre-pay venue (Classic, Travel, Kota Indah bars, etc) providers have either refused BBBJ, insisted on CBJ or refused any kind of fellatio outright. Unless your junk is showing obvoious signs of disease (that's on you if that's the case), there is absolutely no reason to tolerate such half-baked service, even if it is cheap.

Once you pay, the obligation to deal with a zonk session lies on your shoulders. Mami's role is done and dusted and there is no Complaints Department. So how to deal with the situation since there are obviously girls in these venues working with the wrong skills or mindset for thier industry? Several vets have advised that you should sit and talk (or translate) to "feel the vibe" of the girl to gauge her willingness to provide services before paying for the ticket. Whether that works consistently is debatable IMHO. My alternative advice has been to negotiate ([URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?965-Jakarta&p=3006334[/URL]#post3006334) ahead for things that are important to you. Although my post deals with the controversial topic of BBFS, BJ is a vanilla enough service expectation to get on the table for any girl before making the committment. If a girl recoiled at my playful mention of her doing "ice cream", I would send her back to the couches posthaste and I would inform mami that I need a selection of girls who do BJ.

For after the fact complaints, I have seen some posts stating that there are managers working who will take you in the back for in-room sins like snapping pics of the girls. Maybe those same quality conscious managers would be open to hearing your story with sympathetic ears. Doubt much would come out of it though. Caveat emptor in pre-pay venues. Enjoy Jakarta, AR.

[QUOTE=Fudimaar;3019608]I've hit a rough patch recently whereby the last new girls I've chosen, gave a very poor service. Many of them even refusing to give a blowjob! WTF. That's happened at least.

3 out of the last 5 time (in Classic T2 and T5). It kills the mood for me, and I walk out of the room, often after 15 minutes, having received neither a BJ, not sex.

I tell mami that the girl was shit, and make my disappointment very clear. Mami of course, doesn't really give a shit.

What would you do in this situation?[/QUOTE]I had a girl attempt to wear her clothes into the shower. Sari ayu. Kota indah its best to get what's app, and message mommie when you get home, of your dissappointment.

Otherwise you will make a scene and ALL the girls will know about it, will know you. I've had 3 out of 8 kota indah experiences turn sour. Luckily it is 24 $$. Kota indah buy two beers.

And take girl to sofa. My bad experiences kota indah, were mostly taking girls from their chairs to the room.

You absolutely have to risk destroying the mood, by having a proper interview, hopefully saying something funny. Her laughing, even at you, is priceless.

How do you weed out these girls? I don't know. How about asking / texting "Are there any rules in the bedroom I should know about?" I always say "I'm a really good kisser".

Establishing that she has a canker sore, fake mouth sore, this early at the table is immediate throwback.

[QUOTE=Fudimaar;3019608]I've hit a rough patch recently whereby the last new girls I've chosen, gave a very poor service. Many of them even refusing to give a blowjob! WTF. What would you do in this situation?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=XXL;3019789]I do the same and often doesn't even tell Mami.[/QUOTE]At the club: use the google translate to communicate with mamasan and provide my requirements. I also inform her that if the service is good, I would give tip her after the session.

Inside the room: After showering together and washing the johnny well with soap; Mouthwash is used to gargle. I don't encourage the further cleaning of junior with mouthwash smeared napkins before the act. I tell the gal it is already washed well with soap, so no condom BJ followed by covered action.

This has worked well for me in my visits to Classic and Travel. After the session, I always wait for the mamasan, share my feedback, thank her and give her a small tip.

Happy punting!

[QUOTE=Fudimaar;3019608]I've hit a rough patch recently whereby the last new girls I've chosen, gave a very poor service. Many of them even refusing to give a blowjob! WTF. ?[/QUOTE]It has been written here before: some of these girls are unexperienced in a bad way. This is not Colombia where girls start to fuck around when they are 14. Some of those Indonesian girls might have had little and bad sex before they started to work in a club. This could explain why they are shy to give a blow job, why they arch in the wrong way during doggy or why they don't know how to move in cowgirl.

If it happens to you, Just move on to the next one.

Actually, there is no reason to complain explicitly. If you come back from the room after only a few minutes, everybody will know that you were not happy.

Thanks guys for the responses. I try and explain right at the start that if they give a good service then not only will I tip them well, but I'll see them every week. Both are true statements. But the girls sometimes don't know what a good service is. I agree with the point about these girls being inexperienced.

One girl on T5 I took last week. It was her first day, and I was her 1st client ever. She spoke fluent English (medical student), everything was great. She was very GFE with tons of kissing, hugging and she genuinely wanted to please. After 15 minutes of this, I asked for a BJ, and she said "I've never given a BJ. " I don't know if she was bullshitting me, or not. She told me she was not a virgin because she had had sex with her BF, but never done oral. I explained that if she wants to work in the sex industry, then a BJ is mandatory. As she spoke English, I was able to gently guide her and coax her into licking my dick for a minute or so. We had sex soon after, but it killed the vibe for me.

I've noticed that it's the new girls who are reluctant to give a BJ, and more prone to using the listerine on the dick. Even worse. I've had two cases where the girl dabs listerine on tissue paper at the start, opened the condom packet, and put the condom inside the tissue (so it gets soaked in Listerine whilst we do foreplay). WTF? As you can imagine both of these turned into poor sessions.

I'll avoid new girls actively now. In opposition to the mami's using it as a sales technique "New girl. New girl". And I'll talk about BJ at the interview stage.

It's not the lost money that's the issue here. It's the emotional damage done by a poor session. I find that after a bad run, I get more apprehensive taking an untried girl to the room. A little uncertainty and performance anxiety starts creeping in.

Another thing. I've rarely had a good BJ this year in Indo. In 2019, I wasn't doing P4 P at all, and banged 17 civvies here in about 6 weeks, and most sucked cock like porn-stars. I was highly impressed by their deep-throating, gagging, and face-fucking skills. Not sure what's happened, or maybe my own perception of a good BJ has changed since I've spent considerable time in Brazil (best cock-suckers in the world, IMO) and Colombia.

[QUOTE=Safado70;3019812]If it happens to you, Just move on to the next one.[/QUOTE]And by this advice, he should just move onto the next one and the next one, passively accepting poor service time after time, right? If I read correctly, 3 out of 5 girls wouldn't blowjob at all for Fudimaar, which would be a reasonable frustration for him. This does not count other posts from punters claiming there are girls who won't BJ or demand CBJ, so it seems to be a less than rare phenomenon at Classic and therefore worthy of a countermeasure. I guess "just move on" would be a good approach if Fudimaar is the type of punter that does not mind zonk after zonk, but he doesn't seem to be. IMHO if a particular service is important to a monger in these pre-pay venues, it is best negotiated in advance to avoid disappointment.

I see that nobody is disputing these no-BJ or CBJ sitiations happen in Classic. Rather I see confirmations. This is a long way from previous discussions where some were claiming that BBFS was "virtually guaranteed" with a tip at Classic. Quite the heaven to hell range of claims.

Agree that returning shortly from a session will let everyone know that things didn't go well. By happily accepting that without any consequence, you also let everyone know that you are happy to accept zonk service. But everybody is free to take whatever approach best works for them. Sharing an example of the approach that works best for me, a lovely Kota talent from a few days ago. Enjoy Jakarta, AR.