Jakarta

[QUOTE=Fudimaar;3019608]I've hit a rough patch recently whereby the last new girls I've chosen, gave a very poor service. Many of them even refusing to give a blowjob! WTF. That's happened at least.

3 out of the last 5 time (in Classic T2 and T5). It kills the mood for me, and I walk out of the room, often after 15 minutes, having received neither a BJ, not sex.

I tell mami that the girl was shit, and make my disappointment very clear. Mami of course, doesn't really give a shit.

What would you do in this situation?[/QUOTE]The way you deal with poor service, or in general get what you want in the room is to be polite but firm and insist on the way you want things. This does not extend to BBFS which is a special service and you can't compel a girl to provide if she doesn't want to. Last week I took a girl to the room in Classic. She started by acting rushed, wanted me to lay back and let her follow her script and didn't want to kiss etc. I calmly stopped her right there and explained that this was NOT how the session was going to go. I told her what I wanted, how I wanted it and it was her job to basically do what I told her. I of course offered to tip her later if she did well. This is not ideal, I prefer natural chemistry. But in the absence of that, this approach allows me to salvage the session. In this case it turned into a halfway decent BBFS session.

But in general Classic is far to commercial and mass market now and I mostly avoid it. I just ended up there because Emporium pool was closed and some of my buddies wanted to go there instead. But both in Classic and Travel you can kill the session in the first few minutes, take the girl back to mama and most likely she will replace her with another girl. If the session is truly unsalvageable then that is the best option.

[QUOTE=Fudimaar;3019608]I've hit a rough patch recently whereby the last new girls I've chosen, gave a very poor service. Many of them even refusing to give a blowjob! WTF. That's happened at least.

3 out of the last 5 time (in Classic T2 and T5). It kills the mood for me, and I walk out of the room, often after 15 minutes, having received neither a BJ, not sex.

I tell mami that the girl was shit, and make my disappointment very clear. Mami of course, doesn't really give a shit.

What would you do in this situation?[/QUOTE]If mama doesn't care, that's a bad situation for you. When you complain, and mama doesn't care, I don't think there is much else you can do, as you can hardly contact VISA to initiate a chargeback, even if you paid by credit card.

I think you should still complain, as you did. Even if nothing else, we can hope that a girl that gets enough complaints will eventually be removed.

I agree with others that in situations like this, it can be beneficial to have cultivated a decent relationship with at least some mamasans, but it sucks that it should be necessary. And I'm not even sure the one mamasan I do have a decent relationship with would do anything about the situation should the same happen to me. I expect her to, but I'm not sure.

That one mamasan is BTW named "Chaca", and was the only one I could stand on my first visit to Jakarta. On my last, some of the other mamasans also started to behave a bit more cordial towards me. Chaca speaks relatively decent English, so perhaps try to "charm" her a little bit, explain the situation, and tell her you don't want problems like that again. Then take the next couple of girls from her and see how it goes. Just an idea.

I don’t like Chacha. She's the most aggressive and obnoxious of the mamis. she should know by now that I don’t want girls with babies, but she keeps on presenting them to me.

[QUOTE=ExpatAmerican;3019870] But both in Classic and Travel you can kill the session in the first few minutes, take the girl back to mama and most likely she will replace her with another girl. If the session is truly unsalvageable then that is the best option.[/QUOTE]Really? There have been a few situations where I would have loved to do that. How many times have you tried that and how many times did mami replace the girl?

I'm travelling to Jakarta soon ish and the strategy I devised it is to try to get me a papi who speaks decent english, so I can properly communitate with them upfront. Buy him / her a drink first (laughable damage that can get me long way) sit them down for a minute and explain this is not my first rodeo and I need such and such girl, that will make no fuss about BBBJ and will provide good service, I don't want a girl fresh from the "ricefields" who doesn't know how to fuck. Also, I will explain that in case of a very good services, both the girl and the papi is in for a tip. I dislike the idea of tipping the papi but I only have so much time in Jakarta, about two shots per night max on average and I cannot waste it on subpar experiences.

Also I'm still human and encoutering a girl who doesn't want to be there kills my mood, I would rather send her back than feel like I'm "raping" someone. If I can avoid that by shelling a tip on mami that is worth literally one beer in big city in Europe or less (100 k is about 5 eur, right?) than I would rather fucking do that and save me a headache.

I'm sure there's enough good girls who will actually like me, I just need to filtrr them out quickly, I don't have weeks to play around.

Also toying with the idea of mentioning my exploits will be published, so it's in the establishment's interest to help me do business to the satisfaction of all parties involved. Not sure about this last part tho, if they give a fuck at all or if it helps me in any way. Either way, I will plays nice and polite, while setting out my expectations and level of experience clearly and grease the wheels with some cash. I will report how I fared once done.

[QUOTE=Safado70;3019890]I dont like Chacha. She's the most aggressive and obnoxious of the mamis. she should know by now that I dont want girls with babies, but she keeps on presenting them to me.[/QUOTE]Haha. I think I have heard others here also say similar things about her. Shows how much we all differ in who we get along with I guess.

[QUOTE=Grafspee;3019958]
Also toying with the idea of mentioning my exploits will be published, so it's in the establishment's interest to help me do business to the satisfaction of all parties involved. Not sure about this last part tho, if they give a fuck at all or if it helps me in any way. [/QUOTE]Don't do that.

[QUOTE=ExpatAmerican;3019870]
But in general Classic is far to commercial and mass market now and I mostly avoid it. [/QUOTE]Where do you recommend instead, for a similar price? Open in the daytime for some quick in and out?

I'm visiting again in a few weeks and always keep meaning to explore other places, but end up simply walking to Classic every afternoon, while preferring to stay in the room or do civilian/normal dating at night if possible. Now I've for the first time booked a hotel that's not walking distance away from Classic though (HI), which will give me some more incentive to try out Lokasari at least, as it looks close on the map.

On the other hand, I'm still a newbie and Classic has not worn out on me. Still ranks as #1 for me (price/quality/quantity/convenience/time efficiency/etc.). I enjoy the early visits before it's overflowing with smoke and tour groups.


After Emporivm raised the prices and reduced the roomtime, I've not been back there.

[QUOTE=Safado70;3019890]I dont like Chacha. She's the most aggressive and obnoxious of the mamis. she should know by now that I dont want girls with babies, but she keeps on presenting them to me.[/QUOTE]I now remembered one visit last month when I walked in an early afternoon, and saw what looked like two busloads of Chinese. They must have arrived just a couple of minutes before me, and heard them before I saw them. They were being presented a line-up with what looked like all the girls present at the moment.

I thought to myself "oh, fuck. Are there even enough girls here yet?", as I walked over to sit down by a table close to the line-up. Fortunately Chaca also saw me sitting down, and quickly pulled a girl out of the line-up and brought her over to me. I didn't like that girl much, so she pulled another girl out, who I then went to the room with.

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[QUOTE=Grafspee;3019958]I'm travelling to Jakarta soon ish and the strategy I devised it is to try to get me a papi who speaks decent english, so I can properly communitate with them upfront. Buy him / her a drink first (laughable damage that can get me long way) sit them down for a minute and explain this is not my first rodeo and I need such and such girl, that will make no fuss about BBBJ and will provide good service, I don't want a girl fresh from the "ricefields" who doesn't know how to fuck. Also, I will explain that in case of a very good services, both the girl and the papi is in for a tip. I dislike the idea of tipping the papi but I only have so much time in Jakarta, about two shots per night max on average and I cannot waste it on subpar experiences.

I will report how I fared once done.[/QUOTE]I think they will just decide that you are a rich foreigner making it rain. You'll get plenty of attention, but much of it may be unwelcome- since you're handing out money, both girls and mami-sans will want to work you for what they can get. I really doubt they will find you better girls- rather they will direct you onto the ones willing to tip them back for landing a whale, willing to tip big.

But please do report back- maybe with some it'll work. In general, I'the focus on doing the legwork to interview up front, and tip well after for good service received, not in advance in the hope you will get better service.

[QUOTE=FriendlyPlanet;3020027]I think they will just decide that you are a rich foreigner making it rain. You'll get plenty of attention, but much of it may be unwelcome- since you're handing out money, both girls and mami-sans will want to work you for what they can get. I really doubt they will find you better girls- rather they will direct you onto the ones willing to tip them back for landing a whale, willing to tip big.

But please do report back- maybe with some it'll work. In general, I'the focus on doing the legwork to interview up front, and tip well after for good service received, not in advance in the hope you will get better service.[/QUOTE]I'm white as a sheet of paper, I expect them to think that the second I step into to the establishment. And I'm happy to do so, I just want to spend it on an exceptional service, that's all.

Yes, I plan to interview the girl mami will recommend first too and only tip AFTER and only if the services was really good, which I will outline upfront, but I think it cannot hurt being friendly with the mami from the get go. And what's buying them a drink to an European? And I want to explain that when the service is trully great, the mami is in for a tip too, so better for them to help me than send me a girl that will only share a part of their tip with them. I would hope the mamis can use logic.

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[QUOTE=Grafspee;3020051] but I think it cannot hurt being friendly with the mami from the get go. And what's buying them a drink to an European? [/QUOTE]Mami's don't have time to sit and have a drink with a punter. They're busy running around, filling in those voucher slips, getting new guys to look at their girls, calling girls over to a table to present themselves to some Chinese monger, manning the main entrance so that when a new customer walks in, they'll nab him. Etc etc.

Nice idea though. Better to just slip mami a 50 k note. Remember that mami's haven't fucked any of their girls, so in many cases, they don't know how good / bad the service from a new girl will be. Mamai's job is to get those new girls customers, and she'll tell you whatever bullshit she thinks you want to hear. "Yes, good blowjob. New girl. No baby. "

I pocket the change, removing the staple on my way to the room. I remember mamasan suggesting I leave her the change. I always reply I'd tip myself, thank you. Tip untuk saya sendiri.

Mamasans get a cut on each girl they sell.

I do not rely on mamasans to bring me girls, let alone "good girls" or "gems". Mamasans do bring me girls but they're nearly always girls I need to wave away as quickly as they're brough to me. The girls I take to the rooms are girls I point to myself and insist on having brought to me. If I insist long enough one mamasan or another will do the job of summoning the girl I point to. My problem with getting the girls I want has more to do with some girls rejecting me outright as they sit, ie refusing to stand up, which as I understand each girl has a right to. Between one in ten and two in ten girls reject me in this way, which I regard as acceptable, nowhere near as bad as in Pattaya where my rejection rate with hot-looking girl is nearer 80%.