Bloodthirsty Democrats, Part 2
[QUOTE=EihTooms;3065550]Tiny12:
Lincoln was a Republican president. So was every Republican president since then. No Dem is claiming Harding was a "Dem". Or Coolidge. Or Hoover.
Trump is a Republican president through and through.
The only significant switch between Repubs and Dems in the mid-1960's was on social issues, not on economic or national security issues. Then again, by the mid-1960's and certainly right up to today, Repubs have had no argument in favor of voting for them on their abysmal economic or national security records. So they had to apply their "Southern Strategy" in order to win votes from dumb hillbillies on racial division issues, where trannies pee, fear that the Dems are going to cut off your son's penis, your daughter's budding breasts and turn everyone into black drag queens that will steal your job, rape your women and eat your cats and dogs.
You and your Magic MAGA Time Machine dishonored American War dead by not citing the estimated 620,000 to 750,000 Americans who died in Republican Abraham Lincoln's War.
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[QUOTE=EihTooms;3065547]So WWII was FDR's War, was it? Ever hear of December 7, 1941 and Germany's declaration of War against America two weeks later? Japan and Germany were this year's USA according to Trump.
And the Repub icon of icon Donald Trump has multiple times and with total confirmation by his vast Repub Party staff and supporters accurately cited America's military involvement in Eisenhower's Vietnam War to have lasted "19 years". That more accurately puts it at beginning in 1955, as is also generally accepted as the beginning of America's involvement in it committed fully by word, deed and treaty.
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And WWI?
There was no 1917 version of the fully confirmed, twice by Trump himself, Iran Nuclear Deal to monitor, restrict and control Germany's submarine warfare across the oceans threatening everyone. But if there had been and Trump was president at the time you could count on him to tear it up as the proactive reason America joined the War if not started it entirely. However, since that wasn't the case, WWI was hardly "Wilson's War" as it would have been Trump's War in that hypothetical.
And, darn it all, it seems your Magic MAGA Time Machine always conks out right before an important event or two that would add immeasurably to destroying whatever point you're trying to make, this time about American wars starting under American presidents regardless of the honorable intentions of our involvement:
So you missed this one. And it was a biggie;.
Republican Abraham Lincoln's American Civil War: 620,000 to 750,000 American deaths.
You know, there were still hail and hearty Americans who fought in Republican Abraham Lincoln's American Civil War still alive and kicking in 1917. So it is puzzling how your Magic MAGA Time Machine could possibly have missed it![/QUOTE]So you maintain that Lincoln never should have forced America to abandon slavery? The Civil War wasn't a righteous cause? People should still be treated like animals, bought and sold and tortured when they don't behave as their masters direct? You're better than that Tooms. You don't really believe that.
Wilson was the father of the Modern Democratic Party, which for the first time pursued large scale foreign wars, big government, and high taxes. Did the Modern Democratic President want Big Government so he could pursue bloodthirsty wars? Or did he want bloodthirsty wars so he could pursue Big Government? Does it really matter?
Wilson imposed the first true income tax, and it was 15% on the eve of World War I, far too low to pay for a modern welfare state. Wilson jacked it up to 77% in 1918. And it was still 73% when Wilson left office, almost 2-1/2 years after the war ended.
The USA never should have entered World War I. The Zimmerman telegram didn't represent a threat as long as the USA didn't declare war on Germany. And if American defense companies and ship owners were going to traffic arms to Britain and France and their property got blown up, that was their problem. It was no reason to send young American men to Europe to die horrible deaths in brutal trench warfare.
Roosevelt jacked up the tax rate to 81% before World War II. But that wasn't enough for a bloodthirsty Democrat. The American rate wasn't going to be highest in the world unless he started a war. So he imposed an oil and fuel embargo on Japan, and froze Japanese assets. Japan felt it had no choice except to attack the USA. As to Europe, Germany never would have defeated the USSR, with or without American help.
Truman inherited a 94% maximum tax rate from Roosevelt, and lowered it all the way down to 82% in 1949, before jacking it back up again to 92% in 1952. And got us involved in another war.
Nobody agrees with you about the Vietnam War. Ask any AI agent which president was most associated with the Vietnam War and it will say Johnson. Ask which American president first waged war in Vietnam and it will say Johnson.
And as to ex-Democrat President Trump, yeah, I think getting us into a war with Iran was probably a mistake. But how many Americans have died in it? Less than 20? Compare that to many hundreds of thousands of American servicemen and servicewomen, dead in Democrat Wars. Something to think about on Memorial Day.
The spurious correlation between American military deaths in foreign wars and Democratic presidencies is much, much stronger than your spurious correlations between GDP growth and Republican presidencies.
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[QUOTE=Tiny12;3067265]So you maintain that Lincoln never should have forced America to abandon slavery? The Civil War wasn't a righteous cause? People should still be treated like animals, bought and sold and tortured when they don't behave as their masters direct? You're better than that Tooms. You don't really believe that.
Wilson was the father of the Modern Democratic Party, which for the first time pursued large scale foreign wars, big government, and high taxes. Did the Modern Democratic President want Big Government so he could pursue bloodthirsty wars? Or did he want bloodthirsty wars so he could pursue Big Government? Does it really matter?
Wilson imposed the first true income tax, and it was 15% on the eve of World War I, far too low to pay for a modern welfare state. Wilson jacked it up to 77% in 1918. And it was still 73% when Wilson left office, almost 2-1/2 years after the war ended.
The USA never should have entered World War I. The Zimmerman telegram didn't represent a threat as long as the USA didn't declare war on Germany. And if American defense companies and ship owners were going to traffic arms to Britain and France and their property got blown up, that was their problem. It was no reason to send young American men to Europe to die horrible deaths in brutal trench warfare.
Roosevelt jacked up the tax rate to 81% before World War II. But that wasn't enough for a bloodthirsty Democrat. The American rate wasn't going to be highest in the world unless he started a war. So he imposed an oil and fuel embargo on Japan, and froze Japanese assets. Japan felt it had no choice except to attack the USA. As to Europe, Germany never would have defeated the USSR, with or without American help.
Truman inherited a 94% maximum tax rate from Roosevelt, and lowered it all the way down to 82% in 1949, before jacking it back up again to 92% in 1952. And got us involved in another war.
Nobody agrees with you about the Vietnam War. Ask any AI agent which president was most associated with the Vietnam War and it will say Johnson. Ask which American president first waged war in Vietnam and it will say Johnson.
And as to ex-Democrat President Trump, yeah, I think getting us into a war with Iran was probably a mistake. But how many Americans have died in it? Less than 20? Compare that to many hundreds of thousands of American servicemen and servicewomen, dead in Democrat Wars. Something to think about on Memorial Day.
The spurious correlation between American military deaths in foreign wars and Democratic presidencies is much, much stronger than your spurious correlations between GDP growth and Republican presidencies.[/QUOTE]You characterized WWII as a Dem War, apparently because it started in Europe by Europeans while FDR was president. So what in the world IS your point? Wars that started somewhere on the planet while a Dem is president is a Dem War and wars that started somewhere on the planet when a Repub is president is a Repub War?
If so then The American Civil War was Repub Lincoln's War.
Oh, but you're a MAGA. Which means you want to hop around the playing field moving the goal posts like they were checkers on a checker board.
So now it is whether a War that started somewhere on the planet that a president finds impossible to avoid getting involved in counts if you deem it to be for a righteous cause. Which is exactly the way I would have described the American Civil War and in fact qualified my description of some Wars on your list being waged for honorable reasons.
However, YOU didn't qualify your claim that FDR's WWII was ok and gets a pass on the premise that the USA military was not only attacked first and the country declared war against first under FDR but that it was worth waging in no small part in order to liberate European Allies whose countries were being bombed and invaded and by Jews, Catholics and other groups who were being rounded up, herded into concentration camps and disappearing. Don't you care about our European Allies, News and Catholics?
Oh no. But you did find a way to play the typical Repub MAGA Race Card and bring up slavery regarding Repub Lincoln's American Civil War.
Lolol. Pathetic. We need to make those goal posts heavier so MAGAs can't just pick them up with one hand and dance around the playing field with them like they're made of Styrofoam.
Oh and let me guess; FDR and the Dems pulling us out of The Great Repub Depression of massive job and business losses, bread lines and Hoover Villes in every city was also "evil" since it it took away some of that colossal windfall hot money Coolidge and Hoover put into the pockets of the already wealthiest people on Earth, a move that contributed mightily to creating The Great Repub Depression in the first place, as every idiotic Repub Supply-Side / Trickle-Down tax and policy agenda crashes the USA economy and wipes out jobs. Boo-hoo. That is so sad.
Eisenhower's Vietnam War that other presidents could only escalate
Somebody suggested I ask A. I. Pertinent questions about whose War was the Vietnam War.
So I did.
The A. I. Overview:
[QUOTE][b]Which USA president replaced the French with USA military in the Vietnam War?[/b]
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[B]Dwight D. Eisenhower. President Dwight D. Eisenhower [/b]replaced the departing French military presence with a U.S. military advisory role following the French defeat in 1954. He authorized the Military Assistance Advisory Group (MAAG) to train the South Vietnamese army, officially establishing an American foothold in South Vietnam.
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Following the French surrender at Dien Bien Phu and the 1954 Geneva Accords, which temporarily divided Vietnam, Eisenhower's administration chose to back the newly established Republic of Vietnam (South Vietnam). Instead of allowing the French to maintain a colonial sphere or permitting national reunification elections, [b]Eisenhower's administration:
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Funded a new state: Provided over $100 million in aid and military equipment to the South Vietnamese government of Ngo Dinh Diem.
Dispatched advisors: Sent U.S. military personnel and CIA operatives to train South Vietnamese forces, stepping directly into the vacuum left by the French.
Fostered a defense pact: Supported the creation of the Southeast Asia Treaty Organization (SEATO) to deter further communist expansion. [/B]
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Though Eisenhower stopped short of deploying combat troops,[b] his sweeping political and military investments paved the way for subsequent escalations by Presidents Kennedy and Johnson. [/b]You can read more about the U.S. transition from the French colonial era at the Office of the Historian and the Miller Center's Age of Eisenhower archives.
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America's Vietnam | Miller Center
Jan 31, 2561 BE What did this mean for U.S. policy in Asia? Eisenhower avoided a direct military intervention in Indochina in 1954, and the French went down to defeat to the Co...
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United States in the Vietnam War - Wikipedia
After World War II ended in 1945, President Harry S. Truman declared his doctrine of "containment" of communism in 1947 at the start of the Cold War. U.S. invol...
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Dwight Eisenhower: Trouble on the Horizon The Vietnam War from ...
Eisenhower biographer Chester J. Pach Jr. observes astutely that, Eisenhower considered the establishment of South Vietnam a significant Cold War success, yet ...
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Which US Presidents served their term during the Vietnam War? - Quora
Jan 5, 2559 BE * Harry Truman and Dwight Eisenhower during the time the Vietnamese fought the French, * Dwight Eisenhower when the French were defeated then America sent aid a...
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Which US presidents were in office during Vietnam War? - Quora
Jun 12, 2559 BE * Preston Ingalls. World traveler and Vietnam combat vet '69-'70 Author has. 9y. Originally Answered: Which president were in office during Vietnam war? Techn...
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[B]Replacing France: The origins of American intervention in Vietnam - ResearchGate
Statler examines diplomatic maneuvers in Paris, Washington, London, and Saigon to detail how Western alliance members sought to transform South Vietnam into a m...
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Dien Bien Phu & the Fall of French Indochina, 1954
In the wake of the French defeat, the French and Vietnamese, along with representatives from the United States and China, met in Geneva in mid-1954 to discuss t...[/b]
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The United States' role in the First Indochina War
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Eisenhower and Vietnam (Chapter 13) - The Cambridge History of ...
Jan 2, 2568 BE The Eisenhower administration tried to convince France to accept the course it had chosen with Diệm. After several tense sessions in early May 1955, Foreign Min...
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Why the USA lost the war in Vietnam - Higher History Revision - BBC Bitesize
After the Geneva Agreements of 1954, a date was set for the reunification of Vietnam under one government. This government was to be elected by the Vietnamese p...
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Video: Eisenhower's Foreign Policy in Southeast Asia in the 1950s
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At a press conference on this day in 1954, President Dwight D ...
Apr 7, 2565 BE Instead of sending combat troops, Eisenhower chose a policy of indirect support. His administration provided economic aid, military equipment, and advisors to a...
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Mar 9, 2564 BE * Gene Popa. Author Author has 241 answers and 3M answer views. 5y. Actually, Eisenhower went to great lengths to try to ensure that the United States did not...[/QUOTE]The A. I. Overview:
[QUOTE][b]When did the Vietnam War start?[/b]
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Vietnam War.
Facts, Summary, Years, Timeline, Casualties.
Vietnam War.
Facts, Summary, Years, Timeline, Casualties.
Vietnam War Questions Answered.
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[B]The Vietnam War officially began on November 1, 1955, and ended on April 30,1975. This starting date marks when the USA Military Assistance Advisory Group (MAAG) was deployed in South Vietnam to train the Army of the Republic of Vietnam.[/b]
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However, because the conflict was deeply tied to the broader Indochina Wars, historians often highlight a few other pivotal milestones that led to the full-scale war:
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July 1954: The Geneva Accords divided Vietnam into communist North and anti-communist South following the defeat of French colonial forces.
August 1964: Following the Gulf of Tonkin Incident, the United States significantly escalated its involvement from providing advisory support to direct military combat.
[URL]History.com[/URL]
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Vietnam War.
Facts, Summary, Years, Timeline, Casualties.
Vietnam War, (1954 - 75), a protracted conflict that pitted the communist government of North Vietnam and its allies in South Vietnam, known as the Viet Cong, aga.
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Vietnam War. Wikipedia.
The Vietnam War (1 November 1955 - 30 April 1975) was an armed conflict in Vietnam, Laos, and Cambodia fought between North Vietnam (Democratic Republic of Viet.
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Vietnam War: Dates and Timeline.
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3 Controversial Moments. Gulf of Tonkin Incident (1964) Two USA Destroyers stationed in the Gulf of Tonkin in Vietnam claimed to have been fired upon by North.
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United States in the Vietnam War. Wikipedia.
1955 North Vietnam launches an "anti-landlord" campaign, during which counter-revolutionaries are imprisoned or killed. The numbers killed or imprisoned are the.
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A Brief History of the Vietnam War.
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Vietnam War Timeline. Britannica.
Vietnam War Timeline * May 7, 1954. Viet Minh troops under Gen. . * June 1, 1954. The Saigon Military Mission, a covert operation to conduct psychological war.
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Vietnam War 50th Year Commemoration.
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KEY DATES FOR THE USA ARMY IN VIETNAM. The USA Actions in Vietnam began slowly with the deployment of advisors in the early 1950's and expanded incrementally t.
Army. Mil[/QUOTE]No credible historian will ever assert that President JFK or LBJ or Nixon "started" the Vietnam War. Because they didn't. They could only "escalate", surge and try to finish what Repub Dwight the. Eisenhower had spent almost every year of his two presidential terms fully committing the USA to militarily by word, deed and treaty.
