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[QUOTE=Chill Out; 1359787]I don't understand the criticism of Dr BJ. His posts are usually informative and down to earth as far as I can tell. That includes his responses to those who criticize his business.
To have actual bar owners posting here is a good thing, one we should encourage IMO, as long as they are not just marketing their place.
I'm not a DrBJ customer, by the way.[/QUOTE]Haters are going to hate.
I have been to BKK couple of times and well familar with Massage / BJ parlours. But the question is. What else is there for me to pick up some nice gilrs from for FS? Are places like Termae and Biere Garden open and teeming with resonable talent? What else are the choices for the adult fun and picks ups?
[QUOTE=Giotto; 1359341]Stickman Weekly 9/12/2012:
[URL]http://www.stickmanbangkok.com/StickmanWeeklyColumn2012/Livingstones-Bangkok.htm[/URL]
Giotto.
[URL]http://www.livingstoneslodge.com[/URL][/QUOTE]A fair interview with someone who knows the business. Interesting breakthrough Soi 33 that does not seem tobe the Soi 33 of apst times.
Thanks Dr. G. For having posted the link and having expressed your thoughts.
[quote=mackin;1359777]for some reason this sounds like female logic as in wife or gf. the more you have to support them the less you get. could i be wrong? just a crazy thought.[/quote]
who can understand the female of the species? they are not logical. some cannot be understood by other females as well.
certainly what you get from a girl bears no relation to what you give, when it comes to a wife / gf. girls sometimes have an ethic to defeat the carrot and stick principal, once you are under the thumb, so to speak. e.g. once they get a monthly amount, regardless. when i had an unpaid wife, i only got sex when she was horny (not that frequently) , and even then i hardly wanted it from her for various reasons. now have a gf and the sex is good, but its still not enough. take her out to get excited and have a few drinks may still be the best "leg opener". have not found a girl who is totally hot and wants to [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url] me every morning. also she is shy, so have to have a hawk eye for the subtle signs she is horny and wants one. she doesn't ever say "i am in the mood for a good fucking or a good blow job".
most of us also know that the larger the mount of money you give to a girl, the longer time she will disappear for. if the amount is large enough, she may never be seen again. at least you then know where you stand.
i hate to give girls money in advance. that gives them control and then you definitely get less than what you expected. only when they understand that what they will get is dependent on what they give, then i am feeling more in control. the game is all about maintaining the upper hand and paying the girl to leave or go away.
some guys believe that "treat them badly, keeps them keen". this is not me, but appears to have merits with some girls that operate completely contrary to normal logic. i have one girl who seems to treat me better because she thinks she has status of being the backup, should i leave the gf. therefore she is really striving to please. however she is not totally hot in looks. if she was, she would get the upper hand more easily.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;1359873].The game is all about maintaining the upper hand and paying the girl to leave or go away.[/QUOTE]This is so true. American actor Charley Sheen is famous for going after P4p. During an interview, he was asked why he paid prostitutes for sex, when he could have any woman for free? His reply was that he didn't pay women for sex. He paid them to leave.
[QUOTE=Giotto; 1359341]Stickman Weekly 9/12/2012:
[URL]http://www.stickmanbangkok.com/StickmanWeeklyColumn2012/Livingstones-Bangkok.htm[/URL]
Giotto.
[URL]http://www.livingstoneslodge.com[/URL][/QUOTE]Interesting article. The expensive hostess bars were never something that attracted me that much, personally, simply because the girls were not outstanding enough to grab our attention. Not enough time and not endless money to spend. I only recall once seeing a girl sitting outside Christies that was stunningly beautiful and would have made me stay if I was not busy at the time. Too many of us on this forum were more into the hard core mongering. Hostess girls were a bit to hit and miss in terms of ability in bed.
The Soi remains a good location to stay, for those interested in MPs, but attractions of the Soi will be changing, now that it seems there are a lot less guys going to the hostess bars after work.
The Coyote bar and band still would be of interest to me on occasions. Also any place with really stunning girls. That is too tough due to the general lack of customers.
So much complaining about the prices and everything is turning so bad. I have a different view on this and that is that BKK is still fabilous and allways good value for money (fuckwice, entertainmentwice). Returning from my last BKK / Philly trip som days ago my impression is that everything is the same pricewice on the freelancemarket (Climax, Thermae, Bangkokbeat, CM2, MixxClub, Beergarden, Spasso, Shock69) as it was when I first started my mongerbusiness in 07/08. Spasso was known already back then as a 5K place and still is (but it depends I have had ladies from 3-6K from Spasso). On this trip my Spasso girl had to leave with just pocket change as she did not want to participate in BBBJ so I had to call in a substitute.
All the other places has in my mongerlife ran from 2-4K LT (mostly 3K). And I never discuss prices upfront with the girls. There are exceptions when girls are quoting a rediculess low price upfront, hehe.
Maby I am just lucky but I have paid these rates all my years as frequent BKK visitor. A ST Beergarden midday girl still runs for 1-2K.
Performance (except from mentioned Spasso experience) are from avarage to great and to be honest I would mostly great. I don't know why I don't have anything to complain about but I feel as long as I create a good mood at the discos it will most likely be a sucsess back home. It is all about attitude and how we click. That is why I like to ship a few drinks into the ladies first and talk and make jokes before we leave (as in she understands my twisted humor). And ofcourse if possible I try to spot possible Starfishes (and mostly I have to say I have avoided them). The way I do that is to not hit on 10 girls with a attitude. I rather pic them 7-9`s. First is they feel good as I did not choose the most stunning girl at, lets say, the table and allready here we have. Second they will most likely not give me the starfishprogram.
Not discussing prices upfront leaves allways me with the upper hand. Rarely have girls asked me how much I will pay them even back at the room (as we have allready created a good mood otherwice they will not come back to my room). I can tell them sometimes if I feel like it that they should not be worried and that I know the pricings (and I also stick to that) for the service provided. My weak point is anal and if a girl gives that kind of service then I am also a great tipper (without they knowing ofcourse). When they come out from the regular / obligatoric "before leave shower" they all find money in or under their purse. I can not remember anyone have complained so far.
So anyone happy with the situation these days or is it just me?
[QUOTE=Skogis; 1359903]So much complaining about the prices and everything is turning so bad.
So anyone happy with the situation these days or is it just me?[/QUOTE]Dear Skogis,
You are my boss, I second your comments and opinion.
Enjoy life
[QUOTE=Skogis; 1359903]So much complaining about the prices and everything is turning so bad. I have a different view on this and that is that BKK is still fabilous and allways good value for money (fuckwice, entertainmentwice).
So anyone happy with the situation these days or is it just me?[/QUOTE]Bangkok is Great!
I just spent 3 weeks in BKK in October. It was part of a 6 week trip through South East Asia which also included Singapore, Macau, Pattaya and Manila. This was my xx trip to the big Mango. Actually, I can't remember how many times I have been to this city since '89; close to 20 times I reckon. I had a great time here. It was one of my best trips. Here is a summary of some of the things that make BKK notable.
I don't spend much time in lower Sukhumvit. It used to be hot there back in the '90's, but today, I find it kind of too trashy for my tastes. Still I do like to visit Rainbow 4 a couple times every trip. Why? Because they ALWAYS have 3 or 4 stunners dancing on stage one. This last trip was no different. I met a cute very sexy spinner there. I take it slow with the interview and only after getting a real good feel for the girl did I ask her out. Price 600bf + 2000ST for soapy shower, DFK, BBBJ and shag in multiple positions. She would have gladly stayed all night for another 1000bt. Instead I took her back to Nana and we had drinks together for another couple of hours.
I always stay in upper Sukhumvit. I like the ambiance better. I have stayed in many hotels in this neighborhood. I like Admiral Premiere, Grand Millennium, Grand Centre Point Terminal 21, and the Marriott Sukhumvit Apartments. My favorite Go Go on Cowboy is Baccara. I am well known in this bar and have shagged many of their girls. 2 girls in particular are regulars of mine for the past 3 years. I get treated real well here. I leave tips for the waitresses. The current price is 600bf + 2000ST / 3000LT. I don't negotiate. If a girl quotes me too high I say no thanks and move on. I usually take my Baccara girls ST, but my regulars are pals, so my ST with them is 3 or 4 hours and includes dinner, sex, and drinking; usually in that order. I get a lot of GFE from my Baccara girls. YMMV, but if you know how to play the game and you are nice to the girls, I don't see how you can have a bad time here. I always try out a few new girls each trip so I am not only talking about my regulars.
Oily massage parlors have had the same pricing for a long time. On average it comes to 2100bt total for 90 minutes. All the Soi 24 massage parlors; Mango, Snow White, EZ, and Angel have good girls. On the last trip, Por from Mango gave me one of the best and longest lasting anal rim jobs I have ever had. One afternoon with nothing to do, I stopped by one of the small massage parlors north of Cowboy on Soi 23. The place is called Day Massage & Spa. I choose that one because I liked the girl that was sitting outside as I passed by. She was a 26 year old Issan girl with a killer body and she showed me a great time.
Then there are the clubs / discos like Climax with a ton of FL's and more basic pickup places like Thermae. I stopped by Thermae a couple times this trip, but did not take anyone. There are a lot of possibilities though and the price is negotiable with girls asking 2000bt ST to start.
Soapy Massage Parlors are at the higher end of BKK venues but worth it IMHO. I stopped by La Belle, my favorite on two occasions this trip. From the line up I picked Ai. She had short wavy black hair, and beautiful body. She was all smiles when she came down to greet me and as we waited for my receipt before going upstairs, she was extra very friendly – hugging me and holding hands. I thought: this is going to be good. In the room I told her how pretty she was and how much I liked her hair style. She smiled and said she had just had it done and that she use to have long hair. Then it hit me: I knew this girl. I had had her 2 times before in March 2012. She had instantly recognized me and that was why she so happy / friendly I had picked her. I apologized for not recognizing her, but I told her it was the hair that made her look different. She took that as a compliment. As the water was filling in the Jacuzzi, I took out my Canon SX 230HS and we had a little photo shoot. Then soapy bath, BBBJ that morphed into a 69, and sex. Ai is a great girl. I guess she is well on her way to becoming one of my regular soapy girls. Price expensive: 4200bt.
6. Spasso Bar, Grand Hyatt is another high end place I like to visit once in a while. On my October trip I stopped by around midnight and picked up a very attractive 30 year old. Some may wonder why I pay 4000bt for a ST with girls like this. Because they are classy looking, light skinned, and better educated girls than the usual Go Go girl or FL's is my answer. Pam was no exception. She looked like a small boutique owner or a Siam Paragon store girl. She had a very pretty face and she was curvy, with big natural 'C' breasts and large PINK Areola. The two hours I spent with her was very GFE. She gave me her phone number and wanted to get together again. I did not find the time to see her again, but maybe in March.
Gentleman's Clubs are the pinnacle of the BKK nightlife scene, but they are not for everybody. They are expensive and to succeed here you have to want to play the long game. But the prize is a beautiful, and I do mean beautiful, young (22-26) 'university' type. I like Pegasus, Sherbet and Maike. You can't be cheap here if you want to have a good time. Drinks, sitting fees, and the girl will cost up to 10, 000bt and more. Is it worth it? Well for one night, probably not, but to establish a relationship with one of these girls and to thus be able to see her in the afternoons or in the early morning for a fraction of the cost; damn right it is worth it.
Conclusion: this is my small summary of the possibilities available to discerning punters in BKK. I think BKK is still great. I don't know any other place in Asia with this much variety of venue. Singapore has more nationalities available, Macau has hot, hot Chinese girls, Manila has super friendly Filipinas, but BKK is still #1 as far as I am concerned and Thai girls remain my favorite girls in the world, although they do have strong competition from Chinese, Indonesian, and Filipina girls. Basically you can spend anywhere from 1, 500bt to 10, 000bt per night, up to you. Yes, you have to be smart about things and have some game, but I strongly believe that if a punter has a bad time in the big Mango, he should examine his own game and be honest about it before he puts it all on BKK. He must have done something wrong. On the other hand, BKK is not for everybody. Thank God we have choices. If BKK is not your kind of town, maybe Pattaya, AC, Phnom Penh is. I like all these destinations, but my favorite is Bangkok. YMMV.
[QUOTE=Natty Bumpo; 1359924]Bangkok is Great!
Gentleman's Clubs are the pinnacle of the BKK nightlife scene, but they are not for everybody. They are expensive and to succeed here you have to want to play the long game. But the prize is a beautiful, and I do mean beautiful, young (22-26) 'university' type. I like Pegasus, Sherbet and Maike. You can't be cheap here if you want to have a good time. Drinks, sitting fees, and the girl will cost up to 10, 000bt and more. Is it worth it? Well for one night, probably not, but to establish a relationship with one of these girls and to thus be able to see her in the afternoons or in the early morning for a fraction of the cost; damn right it is worth it.
Conclusion: this is my small summary of the possibilities available to discerning punters in BKK. I think BKK is still great. I don't know any other place in Asia with this much variety of venue. Singapore has more nationalities available, Macau has hot, hot Chinese girls, Manila has super friendly Filipinas, but BKK is still #1 as far as I am concerned and Thai girls remain my favorite girls in the world, although they do have strong competition from Chinese, Indonesian, and Filipina girls. Basically you can spend anywhere from 1, 500bt to 10, 000bt per night, up to you. Yes, you have to be smart about things and have some game, but I strongly believe that if a punter has a bad time in the big Mango, he should examine his own game and be honest about it before he puts it all on BKK. He must have done something wrong. On the other hand, BKK is not for everybody. Thank God we have choices. If BKK is not your kind of town, maybe Pattaya, AC, Phnom Penh is. I like all these destinations, but my favorite is Bangkok. YMMV.[/QUOTE]Great report. You obviously appreciate the extraordinary beauty of asian women and no doubt treat them with respect, and I think when they sense that, its a win win for both parties. Now in regard to Pegasus, I understand its not a normal G club, but more like a (musical) theatrical performance venue, but one with expensive takeouts available (except for the girls in white I believe) kept over to the the side somewhere, however do you (or anyone else) happen to know if it has a bar or something similar, or do you just have to always sit down and watch the show? The 30, 000 optional membership price (thus free entry) might be more useful if it was configured for quick drop bys, if lets say someone was in town now and then for 3 weeks at time or so.
[QUOTE=Pita123;1359657]Free flow of qualified experts or manufacturing laborers? What am I missing here? Singapore still has plenty of expats. Same with Hong Kong. So why will the ASEAN agreement mean that the developing nations don't need expat experts?[/QUOTE]Pita, Sing and HK are far different situations. It is easier for a foreigner to work there and the business climate is far more open. You also have a lot more transparency. They are developed nations who were by the way both under British influence at one point. Just wait till Thai Hospitals are staffed with nurses from the 'Pines. They work cheaper.
[QUOTE=Natty Bumpo; 1359924]Bangkok is Great!
I just spent 3 weeks in BKK in October. It was part of a 6 week trip through South East Asia which also included Singapore, Macau, Pattaya and Manila. This was my xx trip to the big Mango. Actually, I can't remember how many times I have been to this city since '89; close to 20 times I reckon. I had a great time here. It was one of my best trips. Here is a summary of some of the things that make BKK notable.
I don't spend much time in lower Sukhumvit. It used to be hot there back in the '90's, but today, I find it kind of too trashy for my tastes. Still I do like to visit Rainbow 4 a couple times every trip. Why? Because they ALWAYS have 3 or 4 stunners dancing on stage one. This last trip was no different. I met a cute very sexy spinner there. I take it slow with the interview and only after getting a real good feel for the girl did I ask her out. Price 600bf + 2000ST for soapy shower, DFK, BBBJ and shag in multiple positions. She would have gladly stayed all night for another 1000bt. Instead I took her back to Nana and we had drinks together for another couple of hours.
I always stay in upper Sukhumvit. I like the ambiance better. I have stayed in many hotels in this neighborhood. I like Admiral Premiere, Grand Millennium, Grand Centre Point Terminal 21, and the Marriott Sukhumvit Apartments. My favorite Go Go on Cowboy is Baccara. I am well known in this bar and have shagged many of their girls. 2 girls in particular are regulars of mine for the past 3 years. I get treated real well here. I leave tips for the waitresses. The current price is 600bf + 2000ST / 3000LT. I don't negotiate. If a girl quotes me too high I say no thanks and move on. I usually take my Baccara girls ST, but my regulars are pals, so my ST with them is 3 or 4 hours and includes dinner, sex, and drinking; usually in that order. I get a lot of GFE from my Baccara girls. YMMV, but if you know how to play the game and you are nice to the girls, I don't see how you can have a bad time here. I always try out a few new girls each trip so I am not only talking about my regulars.
Oily massage parlors have had the same pricing for a long time. On average it comes to 2100bt total for 90 minutes. All the Soi 24 massage parlors; Mango, Snow White, EZ, and Angel have good girls. On the last trip, Por from Mango gave me one of the best and longest lasting anal rim jobs I have ever had. One afternoon with nothing to do, I stopped by one of the small massage parlors north of Cowboy on Soi 23. The place is called Day Massage & Spa. I choose that one because I liked the girl that was sitting outside as I passed by. She was a 26 year old Issan girl with a killer body and she showed me a great time.
Then there are the clubs / discos like Climax with a ton of FL's and more basic pickup places like Thermae. I stopped by Thermae a couple times this trip, but did not take anyone. There are a lot of possibilities though and the price is negotiable with girls asking 2000bt ST to start.
Soapy Massage Parlors are at the higher end of BKK venues but worth it IMHO. I stopped by La Belle, my favorite on two occasions this trip. From the line up I picked Ai. She had short wavy black hair, and beautiful body. She was all smiles when she came down to greet me and as we waited for my receipt before going upstairs, she was extra very friendly – hugging me and holding hands. I thought: this is going to be good. In the room I told her how pretty she was and how much I liked her hair style. She smiled and said she had just had it done and that she use to have long hair. Then it hit me: I knew this girl. I had had her 2 times before in March 2012. She had instantly recognized me and that was why she so happy / friendly I had picked her. I apologized for not recognizing her, but I told her it was the hair that made her look different. She took that as a compliment. As the water was filling in the Jacuzzi, I took out my Canon SX 230HS and we had a little photo shoot. Then soapy bath, BBBJ that morphed into a 69, and sex. Ai is a great girl. I guess she is well on her way to becoming one of my regular soapy girls. Price expensive: 4200bt.
6. Spasso Bar, Grand Hyatt is another high end place I like to visit once in a while. On my October trip I stopped by around midnight and picked up a very attractive 30 year old. Some may wonder why I pay 4000bt for a ST with girls like this. Because they are classy looking, light skinned, and better educated girls than the usual Go Go girl or FL's is my answer. Pam was no exception. She looked like a small boutique owner or a Siam Paragon store girl. She had a very pretty face and she was curvy, with big natural 'C' breasts and large PINK Areola. The two hours I spent with her was very GFE. She gave me her phone number and wanted to get together again. I did not find the time to see her again, but maybe in March.
Gentleman's Clubs are the pinnacle of the BKK nightlife scene, but they are not for everybody. They are expensive and to succeed here you have to want to play the long game. But the prize is a beautiful, and I do mean beautiful, young (22-26) 'university' type. I like Pegasus, Sherbet and Maike. You can't be cheap here if you want to have a good time. Drinks, sitting fees, and the girl will cost up to 10, 000bt and more. Is it worth it? Well for one night, probably not, but to establish a relationship with one of these girls and to thus be able to see her in the afternoons or in the early morning for a fraction of the cost; damn right it is worth it.
Conclusion: this is my small summary of the possibilities available to discerning punters in BKK. I think BKK is still great. I don't know any other place in Asia with this much variety of venue. Singapore has more nationalities available, Macau has hot, hot Chinese girls, Manila has super friendly Filipinas, but BKK is still #1 as far as I am concerned and Thai girls remain my favorite girls in the world, although they do have strong competition from Chinese, Indonesian, and Filipina girls. Basically you can spend anywhere from 1, 500bt to 10, 000bt per night, up to you. Yes, you have to be smart about things and have some game, but I strongly believe that if a punter has a bad time in the big Mango, he should examine his own game and be honest about it before he puts it all on BKK. He must have done something wrong. On the other hand, BKK is not for everybody. Thank God we have choices. If BKK is not your kind of town, maybe Pattaya, AC, Phnom Penh is. I like all these destinations, but my favorite is Bangkok. YMMV.[/QUOTE]Natty, I think many of us came here because we don't want to have any "game" at all. We want to go out and have a PSE or a GFE with a great looking girl at a reasonable price and then be done with it. The last thing I want to do is romance a w&rking girl.
[QUOTE=Harold444; 1359895]Alaina massage. Is doing just that. The girls look horrible, not appealing at all.
Too top it off seems many of the girls have that michael Jackson nose job thing going on. Gruesome![/QUOTE]The MJ nose is really horrific, but it seems to be the fav of so many plastic surgeons in LOS!
[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1359953]Natty, I think many of us came here because we don't want to have any "game" at all. We want to go out and have a PSE or a GFE with a great looking girl at a reasonable price and then be done with it. The last thing I want to do is romance a w&rking girl.[/QUOTE]I was going to post my own Bangkok is Great report but Natty and Skogis did it so very well that I'll just say YEAH!
As for "game" my definition is not about romancing the lady, it's about having a rapport and a good time with her before we hit the sheets. For example I was drawn to a woman at Bar 4. Bought her a drink and we were playing pool. I was thinking about bar fining her and thought I was making appropriate sexy humor with her. I was not using profanity in any way. She called me up short as if she was not a hooker in a Bangkok bar and asked me "do you always talk like that?". I paid up and found an agreeable provider. She was the notable exception and I usually have a very good time. Some with regulars and some with new talent.