Sosua Reports

[QUOTE=StrawBoy;1591321]This is not a rhetoric question. Is it possible that blackbeard or FOD will be forced to close down?[/QUOTE]

I was wondering about that too. But my optomistic point of view is that this isn't a crackdown on P4P per say because it's still legal and still all over the place. But they want to crackdown on visible, P4P and are using foreign owners as an excuse. But both BB's and FOD's are both in relatively isolated locations and barely visible. I feel if this wasn't true they would have already been easy targets. So let's just keep them low key and no interviews to US reporters.

[QUOTE=StrawBoy;1591321]This is not a rhetoric question. Is it possible that blackbeard or FOD will be forced to close down?[/QUOTE]Blackbeards and Field of Dreams are on private property. Since prostitution is legal in DR and it is happening on private property there will be no crackdown. I do not recall there ever being a crackdown on Blackbeards. Also, BB is not near a commercial strip (like Pedro Clisante). The reality is that BB is out in nowhere (Costambar), and therefore more inconspicuous. The community is slowly developing but BB is far from everything. They could try but as long as BB and FOD are not showing any indications of pimping they should be okay. If I am correct there have been no crackdowns on New Garden, and they supposedly have chicas on site. I could be wrong on all this and just my two cents worth.

[QUOTE=Boriman;1591357]Blackbeards and Field of Dreams are on private property. Since prostitution is legal in DR and it is happening on private property there will be no crackdown. I do not recall there ever being a crackdown on Blackbeards. Also, BB is not near a commercial strip (like Pedro Clisante). The reality is that BB is out in nowhere (Costambar), and therefore more inconspicuous. The community is slowly developing but BB is far from everything. They could try but as long as BB and FOD are not showing any indications of pimping they should be okay. If I am correct there have been no crackdowns on New Garden, and they supposedly have chicas on site. I could be wrong on all this and just my two cents worth.[/QUOTE]How did they define Rhumba and the'latin as a "brothel"? They are just bars.

"Anechiarico, who served as the brothel owner-manager "Rumba Bar", located in the town of Sosua, Puerto Plata province, was deported by the International Airport of the Americas, says a press release." (posted by Jim James)


A brothel surely is a place where sex is on the menu and is carried out on the premises? BB, Passions, FOD, CMP all fit the bill.

But, under their crazy definition, any bar could be classed as a brothel.

What am I missing here?

Except from when they take exit fee (salida) from clients who is not staying there.

If politicians will decide to get rid of something, they'll find a way.

[QUOTE=Boriman;1591357]Blackbeards and Field of Dreams are on private property. Since prostitution is legal in DR and it is happening on private property there will be no crackdown. I do not recall there ever being a crackdown on Blackbeards. Also, BB is not near a commercial strip (like Pedro Clisante). The reality is that BB is out in nowhere (Costambar), and therefore more inconspicuous. The community is slowly developing but BB is far from everything. They could try but as long as BB and FOD are not showing any indications of pimping they should be okay. If I am correct there have been no crackdowns on New Garden, and they supposedly have chicas on site. I could be wrong on all this and just my two cents worth.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Oakie;1591435]How did they define Rhumba and the'latin as a "brothel"? They are just bars.

A brothel surely is a place where sex is on the menu and is carried out on the premises? BB, Passions, FOD, CMP all fit the bill.

But, under their crazy definition, any bar could be classed as a brothel.

What am I missing here?[/QUOTE]You're not missing anything and you kinda hit the nail on the head. Actually, doing it on the premises is not enough. A third party making a profit is pimping. I need to walk lightly on this issue since many workers of these very places prowl the threads and, in a sense, I do not want to mess it up for them. When the Palace Hotel, in Sosua, was around, and Santo Domingo found out what they were doing, and not paying taxes on it, they used these very boards as evidence against the owner (the owner was a great guy, though).

Let us just say that there are some places, and not just in the Dominican Republic, that claim that the chicas onsite are working independently and that the business is not making a profit from them (yet behind the scenes they are charging a fee to the chicas! Look at some of the posts on this board. A worker at the establishment denies charging chicas (and these are the ones that charge the chicas). I've even asked several chicas myself, in some of these places, and they explained how the chicas are charged). If I had a place, and had chicas onsite, if I could get away with it, I would charge the chicas myself. Hey, free money.

Many of these places will deny it for legal reasons. The other issue is that if they are charging the chicas in some places this makes the chicas employees, with employee benefits, and not independent (Yes, some of these places have been taken to court over this.).

Let us face reality, any cat house or Terma is pimping because a third party is involved!

Then there is the Catholic Church, which opposes all this. Of course there is the police, practically all Catholic, who see chicas making more money than them (barring the machismo issue behind all this). That it why a police officer has no qualms about tossing a hooker. Extend this to the bar scene (which, from what I see, does not charge chicas). You are correct about Dlatins and Rhumba being just a bar but prostitution in general is what the politicians and police oppose (legal or not).

If you walk on Pedro Clisante, away from the beach, all the way beyond Europa, and continue until it turns, you will encounter an abandoned building (I am guessing it is still there). The is the old Caribe Disco. This is how far the strip once stretched. By eliminating Passions and CMP you are actually shrinking it, in that direction. The strip now barely extends beyond Europa Hotel! These crackdowns have been occurring ever since I've been going there and they have had their intended effect (shrinking down the scene). People have long tried to make Sosua tourist friendly but it is hard doing this with hookers around. Not something for the little kiddies.

I am not saying all is dead. The reality is that prostitution will always be around in DR. There are always chicas to be found. There are still chicas to be found, in Sosua, and quite easily at that. The action, though is getting more limited, in Sosua. It is a vice that the authorities are trying to get rid of, but will fail, so the next best thing is to contain it. Even if it is totally eliminated from Sosua (and there is no guarantee of this, even with the writing on the wall) you will still be able to get action in other parts of the island. It is too much a part of the culture for it to disappear.

[QUOTE=Boriman;1591483]You're not missing anything and you kinda hit the nail on the head. Actually, doing it on the premises is not enough. A third party making a profit is pimping. I need to walk lightly on this issue since many workers of these very places prowl the threads and, in a sense, I do not want to mess it up for them. When the Palace Hotel, in Sosua, was around, and Santo Domingo found out what they were doing, and not paying taxes on it, they used these very boards as evidence against the owner (the owner was a great guy, though).

Let us just say that there are some places, and not just in the Dominican Republic, that claim that the chicas onsite are working independently and that the business is not making a profit from them (yet behind the scenes they are charging a fee to the chicas! Look at some of the posts on this board. A worker at the establishment denies charging chicas (and these are the ones that charge the chicas). I've even asked several chicas myself, in some of these places, and they explained how the chicas are charged). If I had a place, and had chicas onsite, if I could get away with it, I would charge the chicas myself. Hey, free money.

Many of these places will deny it for legal reasons. The other issue is that if they are charging the chicas in some places this makes the chicas employees, with employee benefits, and not independent (Yes, some of these places have been taken to court over this.).

Let us face reality, any cat house or Terma is pimping because a third party is involved!

Then there is the Catholic Church, which opposes all this. Of course there is the police, practically all Catholic, who see chicas making more money than them (barring the machismo issue behind all this). That it why a police officer has no qualms about tossing a hooker. Extend this to the bar scene (which, from what I see, does not charge chicas). You are correct about Dlatins and Rhumba being just a bar but prostitution in general is what the politicians and police oppose (legal or not).

If you walk on Pedro Clisante, away from the beach, all the way beyond Europa, and continue until it turns, you will encounter an abandoned building (I am guessing it is still there). The is the old Caribe Disco. This is how far the strip once stretched. By eliminating Passions and CMP you are actually shrinking it, in that direction. The strip now barely extends beyond Europa Hotel! These crackdowns have been occurring ever since I've been going there and they have had their intended effect (shrinking down the scene). People have long tried to make Sosua tourist friendly but it is hard doing this with hookers around. Not something for the little kiddies.

I am not saying all is dead. The reality is that prostitution will always be around in DR. There are always chicas to be found. There are still chicas to be found, in Sosua, and quite easily at that. The action, though is getting more limited, in Sosua. It is a vice that the authorities are trying to get rid of, but will fail, so the next best thing is to contain it. Even if it is totally eliminated from Sosua (and there is no guarantee of this, even with the writing on the wall) you will still be able to get action in other parts of the island. It is too much a part of the culture for it to disappear.[/QUOTE]Thanks Boriman, that makes a lot of sense.

[QUOTE=StrawBoy;1591321]This is not a rhetoric question. Is it possible that blackbeard or FOD will be forced to close down?[/QUOTE]BB has been under attack before, and weathered the storm.

The key is its location. Some complain about being isolated, but this is what keeps it alive.

It even dropped the gallery of chicas from its website, or a selection book on site, to eliminate potential ammunition for opponents.

A prominently located place draws too much attention from tourists and politicians. This is the problem with the blatant street activity in Sosua.

When a place becomes famous for vice, watch out.

No big tourist venue nearby, so the family tourist trade is not affected.

Same with FOD.

In the old days under Dominican Billy, no problems that I heard of.

A new owner called it the "Mustang Ranch" (not even original) prominently displayed right across from Playa Dorada, and plastered a website with pics of chicas.

Really blatant, in your face stuff, across from a major resort. Bad idea.

In its present form, a "normal" tourist, wifey and kiddies, would have no idea it exists.

Down a long driveway, enclosed behind walls, inconspicuous sign, no problem with alienating tourists.

I don't cruise Santiago, but plenty of posts mention available chicas in casinos.

Likewise with Punta Cana, etc. There are women available, but more discreet, so tourist trade is not put off.

[QUOTE=Oakie;1591435]

A brothel surely is a place where sex is on the menu and is carried out on the premises? BB, Passions, FOD, CMP all fit the bill.

But, under their crazy definition, any bar could be classed as a brothel.

What am I missing here?[/QUOTE]Obviously the entire business plan of Rhumba bar is to allow hookers to hang out there in large numbers so that men will come in to meet up with the women and buy drinks for themselves and hopefully for the women too. Hence the owners profit from prostitution. The women are for the most part not bona fide customers of the bar. You are way overthinking this and missing the obvious.

[QUOTE=Yanqui69;1591506]BB has been under attack before, and weathered the storm.

The key is its location. Some complain about being isolated, but this is what keeps it alive.

It even dropped the gallery of chicas from its website, or a selection book on site, to eliminate potential ammunition for opponents.

A prominently located place draws too much attention from tourists and politicians. This is the problem with the blatant street activity in Sosua.

When a place becomes famous for vice, watch out.

No big tourist venue nearby, so the family tourist trade is not affected.

Same with FOD.

In the old days under Dominican Billy, no problems that I heard of...[/QUOTE]I agree. They are going after the high profile places. Go back on the board three years and the talk was Passions, CMP, Classicos, Latinos, El Flow and the SD casas. All of these places have been shut down a least once since. Only the SD casas have re-opened and they are low key now. BB and FOD are able to fly under the radar because they are isolated plus the clientele is more older and private. They don't have the big mouthed crowd that runs to Sosua and likes the high profile.

Did anyone notice how Newgardens stopped the girls hanging out right before Rumba and Dlatins were shut down? Lorenzo has good connections. Did anyone wonder why the owner of Rumbas was deported and not arrested like Peter was? Rumbas does a lot of community charity so I guess that's why they just deported him.

This new Italian tourist boss wants to see action so the Dominicans are going after the high profile places to make it look good. The smart guys in Sosua would adjust his strategy. All of the outer bars have always been my hunting ground (don't want to say which ones because I don't want them shut down). The girls aren't as hardcore as the girls on the strip and most offer GFE because they don't want to compete with the Pedro Clisante girls. The beach has plenty of pussy but guys try to pick up the hardcore girls walking around. Find a girl working at one of the beach bars and hangout for the afternoon and buy her a couple drinks. I've always liked the girls in the DR who have jobs, they usually are more low-key and humble. The only catch is you have to wait until they aren't working to spend time with them. When I'm in Sosua I would just walk through Rumbas and Dlatins to show my face then head to one of my outer bars and have a ball.

[QUOTE=Yanqui69;1591506]Same with FOD. In the old days under Dominican Billy, no problems that I heard of. A new owner called it the "Mustang Ranch" (not even original) prominently displayed right across from Playa Dorada, and plastered a website with pics of chicas. Really blatant, in your face stuff, across from a major resort. Bad idea. In its present form, a "normal" tourist, wifey and kiddies, would have no idea it exists.
Down a long driveway, enclosed behind walls, inconspicuous sign, no problem with alienating tourists.[/QUOTE]Exactly. While looking for a place to stay, I drove past FOD with my Puerto Plata girl and pointed it out and she had no idea what FOD was. I had to explain it to her. As I have said many times before, just because you are in the know does not mean everybody is in the know.

[QUOTE=Yanqui69;1591506]I don't cruise Santiago, but plenty of posts mention available chicas in casinos.[/QUOTE]I finally went up in the casino last month when I was in Santiago. I found it to be a mixed bag. While standing outside some chicks got out of a taxi and one came over to flirt with me. I think her friend might have been new because she seemed to not really know what was going on. Neither was attractive. I went inside the casino and there are discos connected on both sides. In neither of the three places did I see women who appeared to be hookers. All were normal chicks out with their friends or with their boyfriends.

[QUOTE=Yanqui69;1591506]Same with FOD.

In the old days under Dominican Billy, no problems that I heard of.

[/QUOTE]No, no problems of that nature. But not a good comparison. Billy would not permit unattached chicas to hang on the premises. The only ones I ever saw there were "personal friends" of his gf and the masseuses. Many a time I saw putas attempting to visit being escorted straight back to the front gate.

Billy was always concerned that the Playa Dorada owners could easily get him shut down and was very cautious.

Although most of his trade came from mongers and semi-mongers (guys on golfing holidays who occasionally indulged in our hobby) he also let a lot of rooms to commercial travellers and families. It was much more like a motel than the present set-up.

[QUOTE=Boriman;1591357]Blackbeards and Field of Dreams are on private property. Since prostitution is legal in DR and it is happening on private property there will be no crackdown. I do not recall there ever being a crackdown on Blackbeards. Also, BB is not near a commercial strip (like Pedro Clisante). The reality is that BB is out in nowhere (Costambar), and therefore more inconspicuous. The community is slowly developing but BB is far from everything. They could try but as long as BB and FOD are not showing any indications of pimping they should be okay. If I am correct there have been no crackdowns on New Garden, and they supposedly have chicas on site. I could be wrong on all this and just my two cents worth.[/QUOTE]What about Cristals, that place is a straight up wh0 rehouse and goes on unimpeded. Lino must be greasing the right hands.

[QUOTE=MrGogo;1591559]I agree. They are going after the high profile places. Go back on the board three years and the talk was Passions, CMP, Classicos, Latinos, El Flow and the SD casas. All of these places have been shut down a least once since. Only the SD casas have re-opened and they are low key now. BB and FOD are able to fly under the radar because they are isolated plus the clientele is more older and private. They don't have the big mouthed crowd that runs to Sosua and likes the high profile.

Did anyone notice how Newgardens stopped the girls hanging out right before Rumba and Dlatins were shut down? Lorenzo has good connections. Did anyone wonder why the owner of Rumbas was deported and not arrested like Peter was? Rumbas does a lot of community charity so I guess that's why they just deported him.

This new Italian tourist boss wants to see action so the Dominicans are going after the high profile places to make it look good. The smart guys in Sosua would adjust his strategy. All of the outer bars have always been my hunting ground (don't want to say which ones because I don't want them shut down). The girls aren't as hardcore as the girls on the strip and most offer GFE because they don't want to compete with the Pedro Clisante girls. The beach has plenty of pussy but guys try to pick up the hardcore girls walking around. Find a girl working at one of the beach bars and hangout for the afternoon and buy her a couple drinks. I've always liked the girls in the DR who have jobs, they usually are more low-key and humble. The only catch is you have to wait until they aren't working to spend time with them. When I'm in Sosua I would just walk through Rumbas and Dlatins to show my face then head to one of my outer bars and have a ball.[/QUOTE]Passions was a full fledge *****house. Rumbas is just abar. There is a fee to take the girls out of Passions. At Rumbas there is no fee, girls can come and go as they please. No comparision.

Exactly. Which is the business model of every bar and hotel in town.

[QUOTE=Frannie;1591544]Obviously the entire business plan of Rhumba bar is to allow hookers to hang out there in large numbers so that men will come in to meet up with the women and buy drinks for themselves and hopefully for the women too. Hence the owners profit from prostitution. The women are for the most part not bona fide customers of the bar. You are way overthinking this and missing the obvious.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Rahsta;1591694]Passions was a full fledge *****house. Rumbas is just abar. There is a fee to take the girls out of Passions. At Rumbas there is no fee, girls can come and go as they please. No comparision.[/QUOTE]You missed my point. They are all " high profile " establishments.