American Politics

Imagine millions of Repub MAGAs voting against America, their own interests and that of their family and friends over and over and over again because they fall for this horseshit.

Stay tuned to the last few minutes where A. I. Explains why and how Trump, his MAGAs and indeed several Repub MAGAs right here "debate" the way they do with no source links, lambasting the very idea of supporting a point with some credible substantiation, the essence of the Trump / Repub / MAGA-perfected Gish Gallop firehose of lies they know no one can fully address and so on.

This is a Must-See 17 minute video, including a 2-3 minute ad you can skip past:

[B]"It Was Rigged!"
I asked A.I. for All the "Evidence" the 2020 Election Was rigged. Here's What Happened:[/B]

[URL]https://youtu.be/j0X05pZAPIo?si=ayCjGBRqxxG0agUL[/URL]

[QUOTE=Sirioja;3069611]So funny how Trump was so welcome in Madison of NYC, number 1 town of USA for the world, and I m pretty sure would be pretty same in California where he is same not popular, and when artists don t want to sing for him. Highest levels of USA are against him, but he could fuck low brained, even black, Latins and women he hates. His voters are low levels who believe all his lies and bullshits and don t understand they pay his spending's for war, White House, his golf and inflation.[/QUOTE]And after NYC, defeated in California. Most famous parts of USA and US artists don t want Trump. Just normal, when his daily bullshits and lies are so boring when your neurons are still working.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;3069607]Sorry, you can't go back and cheat on the scorecard the way Trump does at his always failing golf resorts.

Had Canada been eligible to vote in the USA elections just since 2016, by not voting for Hillary Clinton, Joe Biden and Kamala Harris, your and Elvis' and his business sense (would have) voted FOR Trillions and Trillions added to the deficit in a couple of pieces of legislation with zero to show for it other than millions fewer private-sector jobs created after spending it than before spending it, record high American farm bankruptcies with Billions more added to the dedicit in Trump Voter Emergency Welfare Checks sent to the Agricultural Industry just to keep it afloat thanks to his failed Tariffs and Trade Wars, Millions of other private-sector jobs wiped out, two Bear Market Declines in the USA Stock Market and two more declines that came damn close to Bear Declines, a deadly Pandemic that mass murdered at least a Million Americans and millions more around the World, destoyed worldwide economies, closed schools, businesses and travel venues, double and triple-digit global inflation, collapsed supply-chains, higher oil and gas prices, no end to ANY War America was involved in with boots-on-the-ground combat and starting still another Blood-Thirsty Repub Quagmire Counterproductive Forever War of Repub Choice, decades record high violent crime and murder rates and an America-hating mob of cop-killing insurrectionists being led into bloody battle on American Soil in a War Against Democracy to overturn a free and fair election and assassinate a few duly-elected officials along the way including Trump's own Vice President [B]vs[/B] my business sense voting FOR a historic economic recovery, millions of jobs recovered that Trump wiped out, millions more created than all three Repub so-called presidents' policies and stewardship combined, Trump included of course, no Pandemic, no million Americans and millions more mass murdered, no worldwide economic destruction, no collapsed global supply-chains, no double and triple-digit inflation, lowering violent crime and murder rates from the highs under Trump to decades long record lows and more bi-partisan pro business and jobs creation legislation in decades.

See, your decisions not to vote for the Dem in 2016,2020 and 2024 produced the results before that [B]"vs" [/B] above while my votes for those Dems produced the results after that [B]"vs"[/B].

Elections have consequences. And, consequently, read the scorecard and weep. No cheating possible on this one. It is firmly in the history books and record of actual results.[/QUOTE]Don't be silly Tooms. One vote doesn't make any difference in who's elected to national office. Besides I voted for Gary Johnson, Jo Jorgensen and Chase Oliver in the last three presidential elections. If you and 100 million other Americans had voted for them and likeminded Congressmen and women, we wouldn't have most of those problems. That's right, no "double and triple digit" (your words) Bidenflation, no $2. 8 trillion deficit in 2021, no crazy tariffs like many of the ones Trump imposed and Biden kept in place, no farm subsidies, no crazy spending, and no wars. As to the 400,000 Americans who died from COVID during the Trump administration and 800,000 who died while Biden was president, I don't think the Libertarian candidates could have avoided those.

Too bad you and most of your fellow Americans didn't have that foresight.

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[QUOTE=Tiny12;3069696]Don't be silly Tooms. One vote doesn't make any difference in who's elected to national office. Besides I voted for Gary Johnson, Jo Jorgensen and Chase Oliver in the last three presidential elections. If you and 100 million other Americans had voted for them and likeminded Congressmen and women, we wouldn't have most of those problems. That's right, no "double and triple digit" (your words) Bidenflation, no $2. 8 trillion deficit in 2021, no crazy tariffs like many of the ones Trump imposed and Biden kept in place, no farm subsidies, no crazy spending, and no wars. As to the 400,000 Americans who died from COVID during the Trump administration and 800,000 who died while Biden was president, I don't think the Libertarian candidates could have avoided those.

Too bad you and most of your fellow Americans didn't have that foresight.[/QUOTE]Nobody said any one of us "got" or always "gets" what we voted for with our single vote. The point is regarding what our individual vote was meant to approve of, encourage, support and hope will be achieved if enough like-minded people did the same thing.

Considering the overwhelming 100 year long consistency of Repub economic disasters vs Dem economic successes vs third party nothingness, a vote for anyone but a Dem is clearly a big thumbs up for whatever can and has filled in the vacuum created in the absence of American economic success at the hands of a Dem; no Great Depression, no Great Recession, no historic jobs destruction, etc. The cowardly vote for something supposedly in the middle, on the outside, over, under, around or miles away from such a success for America by voting for a useless third party candidate is still a vote against American economic success that, as of this writing, only members of the Democratic Party in the White House have managed to produce over the past 100 years. In short, such a third party vote is still a vote against American economic success, no Great Depressions, no Great Recessions, etc. Virtually no different than a vote for Herbert Hoover, GW Bush or Donald Trump.

It is somewhat shocking than an apparently educated adult would have totally missed that blatantly obvious point and instead had somehow thought it meant any one single vote by any one member of the American electorate made the result happen. But there it is. Is there a Simpson Theory about this you were applying to it?

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It is somewhat shocking than an apparently educated adult would have totally missed that blatantly obvious point and instead had somehow thought it meant any one single vote by any one member of the American electorate made the result happen. But there it is. [/QUOTE]Well, the USA educational system just ain't what it used to be.

For his promised peace, Trump is not able for anything about Ukraine, Lebanon where his criminal friend Netanyahou make his business war and at Gaza, and after Venezuela, Trump is back at war versus Iran. A real business for him, rather than peace to be elected. If I was American I would have so painful ass to be fucked so deep so often. I m happy not to have my ass destroyed by a ugly old fat. Quite logic, more than 60% Americans are unhappy about orange politics.

Cherry picking isn't always a bad thing. Here's a couple that looked sweet.

- the last time the US ran a budget surplus was during the last Clinton era; presumably BJs from interns support financial discipline.

- The US debt to GDP ratio is 123%, higher than when the Great Genius took over and despite him claiming that taxing more the average Joe to buy his day to day necessities and simultaneously giving tax cuts to the very rich, would somehow support the reduction in debt.

- My views or yours are by the by. A record number of Americans (64%) think the economy is being mishandled. [URL]https://www.ft.com/content/8beb0631-7f0a-4435-8e04-33f65f8a7904?syn-25a6b1a6=1[/URL]

[QUOTE=Tiny12;3069738]Well, the USA educational system just ain't what it used to be.[/QUOTE]What we call intelligentsia and US artists don't support Trump, refusing to sing for his meeting and justice asking to put his name off Kennedy center. When more than 60% are unhappy about him, Trump seems mostly supported by rather ignorant, quite low levels, not Nobel award levels.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;3069753]For his promised peace, Trump is not able for anything about Ukraine, Lebanon where his criminal friend Netanyahou make his business war and at Gaza, and after Venezuela, Trump is back at war versus Iran. A real business for him, rather than peace to be elected. If I was American I would have so painful ass to be fucked so deep so often. I m happy not to have my ass destroyed by a ugly old fat. Quite logic, more than 60% Americans are unhappy about orange politics.[/QUOTE]It turns out the things Trump hated about the Biden presidency were that gas prices and the rate of inflation didn't rise high enough to suit him. And probably that Biden didn't start any Repub-style quagmire, counterproductive, forever Wars of Choice based on a Repub lie.

Trump has described the price of regular gas, the average price of which is now higher than at any time under Joe Biden except for 3-4 months way back in 2022, as "peanuts. " In fact, he called it "peanuts" when it was even higher than it is today and at any time under Joe Biden except for about 2 months!

[B]Trump calls high gas prices peanuts as fuel costs climb ahead of holiday weekend.[/B]

[URL]https://www.fox8live.com/2026/05/20/trump-calls-high-gas-prices-peanuts-fuel-costs-climb-ahead-holiday-weekend/[/URL]

And it only went that high in 2022 because Trump wanted it to be that high and made a deal with OPEC in 2020 to raise it! See screenshots below.

[URL]https://www.gasbuddy.com/charts[/URL]

Now Trump is saying he loves today's rate of inflation, which is higher today than it was at any time in the final 22 months of Joe Biden's 48 month presidency:

[B]Trump says 'I love the inflation' after consumer price index hits 3-year high[/B]

[URL]https://www.cnbc.com/2026/06/10/trump-inflation-cpi-iran-oil.html?__source=androidappshare[/URL]

Naturally, we can be sure the true loyal Trump MAGAs agree with him on everything. So let the countdown begin for when Trump, Canada, Elvis and probably Tiny declare they long for the day when Immigrants really are eating the dogs and eating the cats!

[QUOTE=HotDog666;3069785][b]Cherry picking isn't always a bad thing. Here's a couple that looked sweet.[/b]

- the last time the US ran a budget surplus was during the last Clinton era; presumably BJs from interns support financial discipline.

- The US debt to GDP ratio is 123%, higher than when the Great Genius took over and despite him claiming that taxing more the average Joe to buy his day to day necessities and simultaneously giving tax cuts to the very rich, would somehow support the reduction in debt.

- My views or yours are by the by. A record number of Americans (64%) think the economy is being mishandled. [URL]https://www.ft.com/content/8beb0631-7f0a-4435-8e04-33f65f8a7904?syn-25a6b1a6=1[/URL][/QUOTE]Here's the gross federal debt to GDP ratio at the end of each president's time in office:

George W. Bush.
Jan. 20,2009.
77.1%.

Barack Obama.
Jan. 20,2017.
102.9%.

Donald Trump, 1st term.
Jan. 20,2021.
124.0%.

Joe Biden.
Jan. 20,2025.
120.5%.

Current: 123%.

Without a Republican Congress, the USA wouldn't have run a budget surplus during Clinton's second term.

Without Nancy Pelosi and House Democrats and COVID, we wouldn't have run up the debt so much in 2020. A Republican Senate was the only thing holding back Trump and Pelosi from running the debt up even more.

The reason the ratio didn't run up a lot during the Biden administration even though deficits were huge was because inflation was so high. Inflation alone increased nominal GDP by 21.4%, running up the denominator in the ratio.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;3069846]It turns out the things Trump hated about the Biden presidency were that gas prices and the rate of inflation didn't rise high enough to suit him. And probably that Biden didn't start any Repub-style quagmire, counterproductive, forever Wars of Choice based on a Repub lie.

Trump has described the price of regular gas, the average price of which is now higher than at any time under Joe Biden except for 3-4 months way back in 2022, as "peanuts. " In fact, he called it "peanuts" when it was even higher than it is today and at any time under Joe Biden except for about 2 months!

[B]Trump calls high gas prices peanuts as fuel costs climb ahead of holiday weekend.[/B]

[URL]https://www.fox8live.com/2026/05/20/trump-calls-high-gas-prices-peanuts-fuel-costs-climb-ahead-holiday-weekend/[/URL]

And it only went that high in 2022 because Trump wanted it to be that high and made a deal with OPEC in 2020 to raise it! See screenshots below.[/QUOTE]4,2% inflation for Trump, because of war he started versus Iran, this blocking Ormuz and making gas increasing. Reality under Trump who make messe in economics. Really incredible he was re elected, when he was already well known for his behavior since long time.

[QUOTE=Tiny12;3069870]Here's the gross federal debt to GDP ratio at the end of each president's time in office:

George W. Bush.
Jan. 20,2009.
77.1%.

Barack Obama.
Jan. 20,2017.
102.9%.

Donald Trump, 1st term.
Jan. 20,2021.
124.0%.

Joe Biden.
Jan. 20,2025.
120.5%..[/QUOTE]You do realize that two of those presidents' spending was in service to pulling America and much of the rest of the World out of the existential economic catastrophe and crisis handed to them at the exit of the other two presidents while those other two presidents were handed better economic conditions and trajectories than any outgoing Repub has ever handed an incoming Dem in USA history, right?

Now, what was the thing Nude Grinbitch and his 1995 - 2000 Repub Congress did to create a budget surplus in an economy and revenue stream that had already been set in motion to produce historic positive results without a single Repub vote many months before Grinbitch and his fellow Clinton dick and balls sniffers took control of Congress, again?

Is that in the same list of legislation that Repubs proposed, fought for and passed when they occupied the White House and held the Majority in the House and Senate even remotely as beneficial for the majority of Americans as, say, Social Security and Medicare, rather than another Great Depression, Great Recession or historic jobs destruction?

On the occasion of a blithering, blathering pronouncement from Trump that the Dem Senate nominee in Maine is a "thug" and a "loser" for the following reason:

The A. I. Overview.

[QUOTE]Donald Trump was referring to Maine Democratic U.S. Senate candidate Graham Platner, whom Trump heavily criticized.Trump blasted Platner as a "thug" and a "loser," [b]alleging that Platner lied about being a self-made working-class man and was actually funded and supported by his parents.[/b][/QUOTE]I was reminded of something a hopeless MAGA sucker here claimed recently about what a brilliant, self-made businessman Trump is because, don'cha know, he only accepted a measly $1 million from his daddy and turned it into billions. Well, that was before he became president and has since indeed been grifting billions on the American tax-payer's dime by selling his political influence to the highest bidder domestic or foreign, that is.

So then I asked A. I this simple question in order to clear up the confusion about it in the blithering, blathering minds of Trump and his hopeless sucker supporters:

[QUOTE][B]How many times did Donald Trump's father bail him out financially after he lost the first million dollars he gave him?[/b]

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Donald Trumps father bailed him out financially on multiple, recurring occasions throughout his early career, with financial records documenting dozens of loans and rescue operations. Rather than a single "bailout," his father injected tens of millions of dollars into his failing projects and lines of credit over the decades. 1, 2

A major investigation by the New York Times detailed how his fathers assistance actually totaled at least $60.7 million, rather than the initial $1 million loan Trump often cites.

Key financial rescue instances documented by investigators include:

The 1979 Credit Lines: Over a nine-month period, Donald Trump drew on a line of credit 18 times, borrowing $5.7 million from his father and family companies. 1
The 1980 Loan: As he faced mounting losses, Fred Trump arranged a series of additional loans totaling $7.5 million, alongside another $976,238 lent by a Trump family construction company. 1
The 1990 Castle Casino Bailout: During a financial crisis in 1990, Donald Trump was unable to make an $18.4 million bond payment for his struggling Castle casino in Atlantic City. To prevent a default, his father sent an attorney to the casino to purchase $3.5 million in casino chips without placing a beta transaction later deemed an illegal loan by New Jersey gaming regulators. 1, 2, 3
The 1989-1992 Payouts: Between 1989 and 1992, as Trump careened from one financial disaster to another, entities created by his father paid him the equivalent of $8.3 million. 1
Trump's 'small' loan from his father was more like $60.7 million: NYT - CNBC 1
Oct 2, * As a presidential candidate, Trump had repeatedly said his father gave him a "very small" $1 million loan, which he turned into an empire. * A sweeping new in...

CNBC

2:19
Timeline: Trump's Father Gave GOP Nominee Numerous Loans

WSJ

11 Takeaways From The Timess Investigation Into Trumps Wealth
Oct 2, But as he careened from one financial disaster to another, family partnerships and companies dramatically increased their payouts. Between 1989 and 1992, four o...

The New York Times

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Fraud Of Donald Trump's Self-Made Persona Exposed In Father's Financials

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Trumps Father Helped GOP Candidate With Numerous Loans - WSJ
Sep 23, In September 1980, around the time Mr. Trump was laying the groundwork to build a casino in Atlantic City, N.J., his father lent him $7.5 million, a matter prev...

WSJ

Donald Trump's First 30 Years: Business Failures and Bailouts From Dad
Oct 6, . No one could withstand these types of losses given the comparatively paltry amount of money available to offset them. So Trump took the same route he did for...

Mother Jones

Fred Trump Helps Bail Out Son: Donald... - Los Angeles Times
Jan 22, Fred Trump Helps Bail Out Son: Donald F. Trump's father, Fred, bought more than $3 million in chips from one of his son's casinos to help him make a bond paymen...

Los Angeles Times[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Tiny12;3069603]Hey Elvis, Why do you prefer Great Depressions, Great Recessions and wiping out millions of jobs, business bankruptcies and failures? That's just nuts![/QUOTE]Yeah, me and what 77 million Americans all got together and decided we wanted less money and voted for Trump. Spidy keeps going on about the clean air in China and how alternative energy is so much cheaper but every state and country that bought into the climate change crap is paying through the nose for power. Tooms says blue states and Dems are wonderful for the economy while their states keep losing corporation after corporation.

The latest debacle is the Chicago Bears moving to Indiana. It is like there is a story every week of some big company moving from a blue state to a red one.

I just kind of wonder what is up with these dumb Dems. They just buy every delusional word the traditional media puts out there, and no one except them is reading it. I read some of the pro-Republican crap the WSJ puts out it its editorial columns and I want to puke. They just did this fawning story on Trump's health and the most popular comment was, "Oh brother I cannot believe my eyes. What am I reading here? You decide to write this and publish it the day after your golden calf was seen having a nice snooze at an NBA finals game? You take at face value the results of the exam conducted by his own doctor? The doctor who lists Donald Trump as 6'3" and 210 LBS?

You people have lost your gosh darn minds and I need to cancel my subscription to this paper. North Korean media would blush at the flattering portrayal of Donald Trump. They'd think it's a bit over the top."

And I agreed with every word the guy wrote and chuckled at it. The WSJ EB should get knee pads if they keep going down on Trump this badly. They are starting to rival what Kamala did with Willie Brown.