Safe Sex and Sex Related Discussions in Thailand

[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;1617810]In a 2012 study ([URL]http://www.aidsdatahub.org/sites/default/files/documents/thailand_country_review.pdf[/URL]) it was stated that among Female Sex Workers only 36% was aware of their HIV status (although not reported I think the figures will be similar for others STDs) [B]down[/B] from 43% in 2007. So you have about 1 in 3 chances the girl knows if she caught something and these figures don't say anything about how long ago the girl was tested. These figures are probably getting worse as the budget for prevention slowly decreases as more and more of the budget is given to care and treatment.[/QUOTE]Those old outdated figures of 36 and 43 percent are from 2009 and 2007, respectively, not 2012.

More recent studies indicates continual increases over both of those numbers:

"HIV prevalence among venue-based FSW continues to decline, from 2. 7 percent in 2010 to 2. 2 percent in 2012. Reported condom use with clients remains high at 95.6 percent and 93.6 percent for the two years respectively. Only half of these FSW were covered with prevention services: 50.4 percent and 53.9 percent for 2010 and 2012. Similarly, 47.8 percent and 55.6 percent of FSW reported having an HIV test in the prior 12 months in 2010 and 2012 respectively. "

[URL]http://www.unaids.org/en/Regionscountries/Countries/Thailand/[/URL]

[URL]http://www.unaids.org/en/dataanalysis/knowyourresponse/countryprogressreports/2014countries/THA_narrative_report_2014.pdf[/URL]

[URL]http://www.thesilveredge.com/germ-busting-colloidal-silver-gels-and-creams.shtml[/URL]

"More and more people are becoming familiar with liquid colloidal silver the world's most powerful natural infection-fighting agent. But not so many people know that there are some excellent topical colloidal silver gel and cream products on the market, too".

"And in some cases, these colloidal silver gels and creams work great for more serious situations like topical MRSA infections, as well! Unfortunately, most people don't know about topical colloidal silver products, even though they've been used in hospital burn wards worldwide for decades, in the form of Silvadene Cream, containing silver sulfadiazine. This prescription-only silver cream is used to help prevent serious burns from becoming infected, since most burn victims don't die of the burns, but from the subsequent bacterial infections in the dead, burnt and necrotizing skin and tissue".

"ASAP 365 Silver Gel (American Biotech) which contains 24 ppm colloidal silver is one of my long-time favorites topical products and is available at SwansonVitamins, and at a variety of other vendors such as Amazon. Many people also swear by a topical gel product called Sovereign Silver First Aid Gel. This product contains both homeopathic levels of silver, as well as agentum metallicum, meaning metallic silver".

"Believe it or not, the famous bandage-making company, Curad, has a topical gel product called Curad Silver Solution First Aid Antimicrobial Gel. Curad bills this product right on the label as "Your barrier to MRSA!" -- a claim which would probably land any other colloidal silver vendor in hot water with the FDA, and have their product pulled off the market. I'm not sure how Curad gets away with making that label claim, considering the FDA's strict regulations against making "drug" claims on nutritional or cosmetic products. But so be it. It is now generally accepted wisdom that silver is an extremely effective cure for MRSA. The Curad product contains 55 ppm silver chloride, plus an unspecified amount of silver nitrate. I've read repeatedly that people with topical skin conditions like Tinea Verticolor have found this product to be extremely helpful".

"Finally, some do-it-yourselfers like to mix one teaspoon full of 10 ppm (or higher) colloidal silver with three heaping tablespoons full of raw, virgin coconut oil, for a great, homemade topical colloidal silver cream. Coconut oil is not only antibacterial and antiviral, but antifungal as well. So combined with colloidal silver it offers an antimicrobial "knock out" punch second to none".

"National condom strategy proposed.

A study also found that only 40 per cent of teenagers used condoms during sex".

[URL]http://www.nationmultimedia.com/national/National-condom-strategy-proposed-30244239.html[/URL]

[QUOTE=JohnDough;1625928][URL]http://www.thesilveredge.com/germ-busting-colloidal-silver-gels-and-creams.shtml[/URL]

"More and more people are becoming familiar with liquid colloidal silver the world's most powerful natural infection-fighting agent. But not so many people know that there are some excellent topical colloidal silver gel and cream products on the market, too".

(snip)

"Finally, some do-it-yourselfers like to mix one teaspoon full of 10 ppm (or higher) colloidal silver with three heaping tablespoons full of raw, virgin coconut oil, for a great, homemade topical colloidal silver cream. Coconut oil is not only antibacterial and antiviral, but antifungal as well. So combined with colloidal silver it offers an antimicrobial "knock out" punch second to none".[/QUOTE]And what is the link to safe sex?

[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;1626148]And what is the link to safe sex?[/QUOTE]Rub it on your genitals and pubic area before and after sex to prevent STDs. In particular, use it on the base of the penis, the testicles and surrounding area that a condom doesn't cover, which are at risk of herpes and warts infection.

[QUOTE=JohnDough;1626959]Rub it on your genitals and pubic area before and after sex to prevent STDs. In particular, use it on the base of the penis, the testicles and surrounding area that a condom doesn't cover, which are at risk of herpes and warts infection.[/QUOTE]Do you have any trustworthy data and statistics that prove its effectiveness?

As oils tend to attack condoms, doesn't it actually lower the overall protection?

How can homeopathic levels of silver have any effect since all rigorous tests have shown that homeopathic preparations have no effect beyond a random placebo effect.

[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;1627095]Do you have any trustworthy data and statistics that prove its effectiveness?

As oils tend to attack condoms, doesn't it actually lower the overall protection?

How can homeopathic levels of silver have any effect since all rigorous tests have shown that homeopathic preparations have no effect beyond a random placebo effect.[/QUOTE]There are links to several clinical studies on colloidal silver at:

[URL]http://www.thesilveredge.com/studies.shtml[/URL]

I am also doubtful about homeopathic preparations and would choose the colloidal or other form of silver. The homeopathic product also contains metallic silver, which may be the active ingredient. The customer reviews on Amazon are good for all of these products.

Of course if oil based products are used they should not be combined with latex condoms. There are non-latex condoms available, and the gel based silver products contain no oil. For those who don't use condoms the coconut oil may provide some protection. At the very least it is water (body fluid) repellent.

Ok, I wanted to clear up this topic. Colloidal silver is excellent but has limitations. You can think of it as something that will clean and assist your body in fighting infections.

Colloidal silver does not prevent STD's. Will the CS completely close the tip of the penis so nothing can enter? NO. Will it cover the penis like a condom so no skin on skin contact? No.

So please don't think this is protection from STD's it is only to assist the body in fighting infections. By the way this is something that must be brought in to Thailand before you get there. I have never seen it sold in any store there. If they do have it there who wants to spend their trip looking for it? Not me.

[quote=wolvenvacht;1627095]do you have any trustworthy data and statistics that prove its effectiveness?

as oils tend to attack condoms, doesn't it actually lower the overall protection?

how can homeopathic levels of silver have any effect since all rigorous tests have shown that homeopathic preparations have no effect beyond a random placebo effect.[/quote]guys colloidal silver has only antibacterial properties and not antviral properties hence would be ineffective against std viruses i. e. hiv, hpv and herpes viruses, and with refence to bacterial uretharl infections like gonnorrehea you have to be a trapez artist take get colloidal silver in male urethra-use condoms it is the safest!

[QUOTE=JohnDough;1627233]There are links to several clinical studies on colloidal silver at:

[URL]http://www.thesilveredge.com/studies.shtml[/URL]

I am also doubtful about homeopathic preparations and would choose the colloidal or other form of silver. The homeopathic product also contains metallic silver, which may be the active ingredient. The customer reviews on Amazon are good for all of these products.

Of course if oil based products are used they should not be combined with latex condoms. There are non-latex condoms available, and the gel based silver products contain no oil. For those who don't use condoms the coconut oil may provide some protection. At the very least it is water (body fluid) repellent.[/QUOTE]WebMD has warnings against the use of silver. In short, its effectiveness is essentially unproven and there are good indications it may even be harmful. See [URL]http://www.webmd.com/vitamins-supplements/ingredientmono-779-COLLOIDAL%20SILVER.aspx?activeIngredientId=779&activeIngredientName=COLLOIDAL%20SILVER[/URL].

It is funny to note that all these wonderfully effective uses of silver (as quoted in the list of clinical studies mentioned above) never seem to have made the jump from lab-studies on isolated cell-lines or harmful organisms in petri-dishes to actual products that work in humans.

Quackwatch has also an article on colloidal silver. ([URL]http://www.quackwatch.com/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/PhonyAds/silverad.html[/URL]).

If you run the websites that give positive comments on the effectiveness of colloidal silver (most or all of them sell those products!) through the Web of Trust website [url]https://www.mywot.com[/url], many of them receive a negative user rating of "Unsatisfactory trustworthiness".

I'll stick to condoms.

Most of the harmful effects of silver are from ingesting it orally, not from topical application. Colloidal silver gel can be used in conjunction with a condom, it doesn't have to be considered as a replacement. It has recently been found that the effectiveness of silver is dependent on the particle size.

[URL]http://www.jnanobiotechnology.com/content/3/1/6[/URL]

Journal of Nanobiotechnology 2005,3:6.

"In this work, we demonstrate that silver nanoparticles undergo a size-dependent interaction with HIV-1, with nanoparticles exclusively in the range of 1 - 10 nm attached to the virus".

"silver nanoparticles interact with the HIV-1 virus via preferential binding to the gp120 glycoprotein knobs. Due to this interaction, silver nanoparticles inhibit the virus from binding to host cells".

[URL]http://www.jnanobiotechnology.com/content/8/1/1[/URL]

Journal of Nanobiotechnology 2010,8:1.

"Silver nanoparticles have been studied for their antimicrobial potential and have proven to be antibacterial agents against both Gram-negative and Gram-positive bacteria, and antiviral agents against the HIV-1, hepatitis B virus, respiratory syncytial virus, herpes simplex virus type 1 and monkeypox virus. The development of silver nanoparticle products is expanding. They are now used as part of clothing, food containers, wound dressings, ointments, implant coatings, and other items; some silver nanoparticle applications have received approval from the US Food and Drug Administration".

[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;1627348]I'll stick to condoms.[/QUOTE]The problem with condoms is that they are prone to breaking and slipping off. They don't cover the base of the penis, the scrotum or pelvic area, which are prone to herpes and warts infection from skin contact. They also inhibit sensation and therefore pleasure. A new product that is currently being tested for government approval may solve many of these problems. It is currently expected to be on the market in late 2015.

Silicone Condom.

[URL]http://www.origamicondoms.com/[/URL]

"The ORIGAMI Male Condom (OMC) is the first NON-rolled, engineered, silicone condom intended to facilitate a pleasurable and safe sexual experience for the male wearer and his female partner".

"Unlike the conventional rolled latex condom (sensation from outside), the OMC is designed to CREATE sensation from the inside with direct tactile contact. It provides a reciprocating motion for the penis inside the internally lubricated condom (not possible with rolled latex condoms)".

The flange at the base of the condom provides more coverage than a latex condom, protecting the base of the penis from STDs spread by skin contact (warts, herpes).

[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;1627348]It is funny to note that all these wonderfully effective uses of silver (as quoted in the list of clinical studies mentioned above) never seem to have made the jump from lab-studies on isolated cell-lines or harmful organisms in petri-dishes to actual products that work in humans.

If you run the websites that give positive comments on the effectiveness of colloidal silver (most or all of them sell those products!) through the Web of Trust website [url]https://www.mywot.com[/url], many of them receive a negative user rating of "Unsatisfactory trustworthiness".[/QUOTE]Actual customer reviews of the products previously mentioned:

Curad Silver Solution.

[URL]http://www.amazon.com/Curad-Silver-Solution-Antimicrobial-Pack/product-reviews/B004YHL3FG[/URL]

American Biotech Labs, ASAP 365, Silver Gel.

[URL]http://www.amazon.com/American-Biotech-Labs-Silver-ASAP365/product-reviews/B0016SJLD2[/URL]

Sovereign Silver First Aid Gel.

[URL]http://www.amazon.com/Sovereign-Silver-Oz-First-Aid/product-reviews/B001DB6XWE[/URL]

[QUOTE=JohnDough;1627353]Most of the harmful effects of silver are from ingesting it orally, not from topical application. Colloidal silver gel can be used in conjunction with a condom, it doesn't have to be considered as a replacement. It has recently been found that the effectiveness of silver is dependent on the particle size.

[URL]http://www.jnanobiotechnology.com/content/3/1/6[/URL]

Journal of Nanobiotechnology 2005,3:6.

"In this work, we demonstrate that silver nanoparticles undergo a size-dependent interaction with HIV-1, with nanoparticles exclusively in the range of 1 - 10 nm attached to the virus".

"silver nanoparticles interact with the HIV-1 virus via preferential binding to the gp120 glycoprotein knobs. Due to this interaction, silver nanoparticles inhibit the virus from binding to host cells".

[URL]http://www.jnanobiotechnology.com/content/8/1/1[/URL]

Journal of Nanobiotechnology 2010,8:1.

"Silver nanoparticles have been studied for their antimicrobial potential and have proven to be antibacterial agents against both Gram-negative and Gram-positive bacteria, and antiviral agents against the HIV-1, hepatitis B virus, respiratory syncytial virus, herpes simplex virus type 1 and monkeypox virus. The development of silver nanoparticle products is expanding. They are now used as part of clothing, food containers, wound dressings, ointments, implant coatings, and other items; some silver nanoparticle applications have received approval from the US Food and Drug Administration".[/QUOTE]What I learn from these studies is that:

* it works in a lab.

* it "works" on top of your skin.

* it fails utterly inside your body.

Unfortunately it is inside your body it needs to work. Our skin is crawling with billions of germs and that doesn't harm us at all most of the time. It is when they get inside us they "bite" us. There is a good case to be made you shouldn't kill the germs on your skin as you kill the good with the bad and the bad might take over.

Hi,

Does anybody know when and where the new origami condom is (or will) be available?

Thank you.

F. V.