East China - Shanghai

RTFF or not to RTFF!!

Believe that I contributed to starting this recent discussion.

BUT, please do read what I did write:
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YES, I am telling Hungry expat to RTFF - but please note that it's within the context of answering his questions specifically and pointing him out to the right post to RTFF. What - this is too rude? What, we're all supposed to actually write out the answer to all questions by a newbie too lazy to RTFF? What only his time is valuable? And then for the rest of the newbie community come out and tell us guys who do try to contribute by sharing our experiences etc that we're too rude?

It's OK for the newbies to get all huffy and indignant at our "rudeness"?

Yeah.... right!!

SEAJ


[QUOTE=Changlelu]Agree with Bonzo and Asianatic, I am following several mongering forums on Shanghai (in different languages !) and noticed that the ISG Shanghai forum is quite 'agressive' to newbies or 'general' questions. Of course it is annoying when the same questions pop up again and again or very general ones like 'I will be in Shanghai on XXX, staying in XXXhotel, could you give me some advice etc..). Such questions show indeed unpreparedness or laziness and bother most members. When I started to follow this very informative forum (credit where it is due) I did quiet some back reading. Since I lived in Shanghai some 15 years ago, when things looked very different from todays' cosmopolitan atmosphere (!), I was interested how the mongering scene developed over time. Funny enough back then I did not monger, nor had my little spy-eye open for such places of ill repute :-). But now - older, sadder and wiser - is different. So I learned valuable things for this forum and hope to contribute in time as well. I do not wish to offend anyone, but also hope the general tone of conversation could be more brother-like and show respect to others. In the end we all share the same interest.

Thank you![/QUOTE]

Hi guys!

Just registered in the forum. I have been living in shanghai for a year know, and just by chance found the forum. I have been participating in other forums in Europe, so, I perfectly know what it is like to have new members only asking and not contributing, but, something that from a personal point of view is the most important thing is not what is said but how it is said. I understand that senior members do not like newers, but the value of a forum is based on the information that can be shared between of all us. I think that it takes exactly the same time to write a polite mail, than a rude one, so, all my mails are based on respect and politeness to all the people of the forum.

I will post several experiences and places I have been lately, hoping that it will be of everyone's help! as i assume that this is what a newcomer must do as a start, to win the right to ask and be answered.

I have gone through quite some bit of the forum, and must say that it contains some very valuable information, and will start giving those locations a try.

Hope that I will be able to actively participate with some interesting info!

[QUOTE=SE Asia Joe]RTFF or not to RTFF!!

And then for the rest of the newbie community come out and tell us guys who do try to contribute by sharing our experiences etc that we're too rude?

It's OK for the newbies to get all huffy and indignant at our "rudeness"?

Yeah.... right!!

SEAJ[/QUOTE]Dear SEAJ, if my writing sounded "huffy and indignant", then it missed my intention. I was merely stating that this Shanghai form on ISG is not the most friendly towards so-called newbies. I do not know the reason for that, but it is a fact when comparing to the 'other' well known forum or other non-english forums on on hobby. While I agree (as I wrote) that one should do his homework by extensive back-reading I find the general approach here towards newbies often patronizing, I. E. As if some members are superior due to the fact that they have written more or joined earlier etc. One should not assume that 'newbies' are without experience, they could have chosen not to write so extensively (for whatever reason) or their mongering experience is mainly outside Shanghai. Also I learned early on in life that 'C'est le ton qui fait la musique'. Hope I will not be misinterpreted this time and send back into the corner. Ciao.

I have been several times at a MP next to the Renaissance hotel in Pudong, as it is very convenient, as my office is about 10min walk from there. First time I went there, I was in the office and needed a "brake" so went out walking to see if I found something, and saw this SPA, went in and asked for prices, oil massage 60min is almost 300RMB, it was my very first experience, so I had no idea, so, I said, why not, get in the room, and the mamasan tells me that special massage 100RMB. Room nice, with shower inside. My massage lady comes in, nothing special, I had no choice, I would say it was a 5, quite big for asian standards. Get a shower, and she gives me a type of pijama. Massage starts, it is OK, and then she starts massage near the ass, I start getting horny and and I start lifting my ass, so that she can have better access to everything. She tells me to turn around and asks for 300rmb for special, I tell her that 100rmb, we start discussing and end up with 200rmb (it was my first time, I now know it is expensive), and that she should take of her stockings and shirts, but, guess what, I can not touch nothing. HJ was nice, slow, and everytime I was going to explote, I told her to stop and she did stop, so she was not pushing time.

After massage had a shower and back to work, in a much more efficient way

I have repeated this place one more time, and had tthe same, could not choose, experiences was more or less as first time, but I would like to try new girls.

From a guy with ZERO posts. Nothing, natta, zilch

Margao
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HI!
Hi, I am in SH and would love to get in touch with her. Could you email me her contact?

Thanks a bunch!

Want to guess my reply??

Try this for my reply.............."Read my post!!!!!......not a chance I will send to you"

ES

ES

[QUOTE=Changlelu]Dear SEAJ, if my writing sounded "huffy and indignant", then it missed my intention. I was merely stating that this Shanghai form on ISG is not the most friendly towards so-called newbies. I do not know the reason for that, but it is a fact when comparing to the 'other' well known forum or other non-english forums on on hobby. While I agree (as I wrote) that one should do his homework by extensive back-reading I find the general approach here towards newbies often patronizing, I. E. As if some members are superior due to the fact that they have written more or joined earlier etc. One should not assume that 'newbies' are without experience, they could have chosen not to write so extensively (for whatever reason) or their mongering experience is mainly outside Shanghai. Also I learned early on in life that 'C'est le ton qui fait la musique'. Hope I will not be misinterpreted this time and send back into the corner. Ciao.[/QUOTE]
First my apologies to you as I should not have quoted your particular post as my frustration is with SOME newbies in general.

OTH, I will address the issues you’ve brought up – in the hope that we can once and for all put this irritating AND recurring matter to rest. (yeah – right! Dream on!)..

OK, first my definition of a newbie:
- Anyone who has NOT previously/only recently starts to post on the China boards.

My several definitions of an irritating newbie:
- Comes on here with an attitude that we all owe it to him to reply.
- And then throwing this old nonsense about how we’re all supposed to be sharing information - irregardless if he’s done so himself or not. We’ve all had experience with how some of these newbies would come on and practically take the tone as if he’s dealing with the wait staff.
- Start off the bat by telling us all what we should or should not do.
- Berate us when he doesn’t get the answer to what he’s asking… Pronto!! Yeah – right, his time is the only one valuable – and then coming on and stating something like – Yeah, the time you took to tell me to RTFF, you could/should have spent answering me instead.
- Don’t bother to do much/any RTFF (quite obvious most times) and asking stupid/easily answered by RTFF questions.
- (Guys – please feel free to – and do - add your own definition of the irritating newby!!)

On your assertion that “….they could have chosen not to write so extensively (for whatever reason)..” What, we’re supposed to give information to one and all even though he’s not done his part to share information. Why?? Why should we?? If we’re being paid to do so, then yes, but otherwise…..??!!

The unfortunate fact of the matter is that good mongering by foreigners in China is not as easily attainable as at other “sex destinations” for the Powers that be in China certainly do NOT want China to be known as a sex destination. Yes, this trade is rampant here – but it’s more as a necessity/inevitability and allowed/caters for the locals, NOT for the foreigner. This being so, we on the China boards ARE wary of sharing too much information as we highly suspect that the LE is monitoring our boards. When a place/provider gets too well publicized amongst foreigners, invariably something happens to it.

OK – what is my definition of a good newbie and one deserving of answers:
- Has paid Jackson the $19.95 subscription and would/could ask his question by PM’s to us.
- Has done his homework and RTFF, and only then coming on to ask sensible and adequately researched questions.
- Has a track record of posting up good and informative posts in the past.
- Do come back on to report his experiences here.
- Put up a post introducing himself first.

And I always like to point newbies to Sammy T’s great advise post to Newbies [post]932174[/post]

SEAJ

[QUOTE=Dr Maligno] She tells me to turn around and asks for 300rmb for special, I tell her that 100rmb, we start discussing and end up with 200rmb (it was my first time, I now know it is expensive), and that she should take of her stockings and shirts, but, guess what, I can not touch nothing. HJ was nice, slow, and everytime I was going to explote, I told her to stop and she did stop, so she was not pushing time.[/QUOTE]Thanks for your report, I would also like to have such a lunch break. So did she take off her clothes in the end to massage with her bare legs, from your wording it is not quite clear to me. The services vary a lot, sometimes they 'climb' on top to massage you with their smooth legs, other times they 'only' do HJ. Prices vary a lot too, some gals are OK with RMB100 but most will refuse and go for RMB200 (note: I am talking about the 'SPAs', not the BBS variety). I also try get FS sometimes, but only succeeded once for. RMB400. Of course I knew this is way to much, but I just wanted to 'do' her on the spot (very tight) and did not have opportunity/time to go to other places known to offer FS. This was during my orientation period here in Shanghai, so I did not mind to much, but of course the risk of inflation exists. However IMO FS in a SPA/Massage place is not worth it: inflated price (because non-standard service), the lack of proper 'infrastructure' (large bed, often no mirrors), relative unskilled service levels (versus well trained sauna gals) and above all that it is usually not allowed in the place (so hush rush service). But it is nice to try once: while the gal is on the table she kept an eye on the door (forbidden fruit feeling). Best of all was after the act that she told me that the massage place was owned by a police officer! No kidding! This was on Weifang Lu near the river, forgot the nr.

[QUOTE=SE Asia Joe]First my apologies to you as I should not have quoted your particular post as my frustration is with SOME newbies in general.

OTH, I will address the issues you’ve brought up – in the hope that we can once and for all put this irritating AND recurring matter to rest. (yeah – right! Dream on!)..SEAJ[/QUOTE]Dear Joe,

Thanks for your elaborate post, appreciated. I agree let's move on here, knowing that it will be only a matter of 'short time' (to use our lingo) before another open-ended question from some desperate traveller arrives, pre-announcing his upcoming (EXPO) visit and expecting red rope & carpet treatment.

That's quite a summary of your 'own' rules ;-)

Hi all I have a few questions hopefully someone here can help out with. I have a colombian girlfriend who is heading to Shanghai soon and she wants to know some names of discos/bars/clubs etc where she can go for work. She knows about Zapatas and Mexicanas but was hoping to hear of more places. Also if anyone can point me in the direction of cheap hotels/appts in the neighbourhood I would greatly appreciate it!

Thanks in advance,

SC

[QUOTE=Changlelu]Best of all was after the act that she told me that the massage place was owned by a police officer! No kidding! This was on Weifang Lu near the river, forgot the nr.[/QUOTE]
The small "Spa" near the bus stop is indeed owned by an ex policeman. However the place was raided two months ago, all girls taken off for "interview", one girl confessed. Joint stayed open but the girls say the "fine"was massive.
Same happened opposite Marriot Courtyard on Weifang, same day, place was shut down, owner locked up. Not sure of status.
fz

I had good experience with Craigslist the other day.

First girl they sent was an old ugly auntie which I immediately sent back (without taxi money of course). Next girl wasn't that beautiful, but good body and very service minded. Even had some anal with her, however after long discussions.

Craigslist isn't the cheapest, but convenient when you're in a hotel.

I speak some Chinese which is a great help. I also think the girls fancy this.

[QUOTE=SE Asia Joe]First my apologies to you as I should not have quoted your particular post as my frustration is with SOME newbies in general.

OTH, I will address the issues you’ve brought up – in the hope that we can once and for all put this irritating AND recurring matter to rest. (yeah – right! Dream on!)..

OK, first my definition of a newbie:
- Anyone who has NOT previously/only recently starts to post on the China boards.

My several definitions of an irritating newbie:
- Comes on here with an attitude that we all owe it to him to reply.
- And then throwing this old nonsense about how we’re all supposed to be sharing information - irregardless if he’s done so himself or not. We’ve all had experience with how some of these newbies would come on and practically take the tone as if he’s dealing with the wait staff.
- Start off the bat by telling us all what we should or should not do.
- Berate us when he doesn’t get the answer to what he’s asking… Pronto!! Yeah – right, his time is the only one valuable – and then coming on and stating something like – Yeah, the time you took to tell me to RTFF, you could/should have spent answering me instead.
- Don’t bother to do much/any RTFF (quite obvious most times) and asking stupid/easily answered by RTFF questions.
- (Guys – please feel free to – and do - add your own definition of the irritating newby!!)

On your assertion that “….they could have chosen not to write so extensively (for whatever reason)..” What, we’re supposed to give information to one and all even though he’s not done his part to share information. Why?? Why should we?? If we’re being paid to do so, then yes, but otherwise…..??!!

The unfortunate fact of the matter is that good mongering by foreigners in China is not as easily attainable as at other “sex destinations” for the Powers that be in China certainly do NOT want China to be known as a sex destination. Yes, this trade is rampant here – but it’s more as a necessity/inevitability and allowed/caters for the locals, NOT for the foreigner. This being so, we on the China boards ARE wary of sharing too much information as we highly suspect that the LE is monitoring our boards. When a place/provider gets too well publicized amongst foreigners, invariably something happens to it.

OK – what is my definition of a good newbie and one deserving of answers:
- Has paid Jackson the $19.95 subscription and would/could ask his question by PM’s to us.
- Has done his homework and RTFF, and only then coming on to ask sensible and adequately researched questions.
- Has a track record of posting up good and informative posts in the past.
- Do come back on to report his experiences here.
- Put up a post introducing himself first.

And I always like to point newbies to Sammy T’s great advise post to Newbies [post]932174[/post]

SEAJ[/QUOTE]

Wow, what a summary. I am 100% with you, but there is one very simple solution to the problem: just ignore.

Levitian

So did she take off her clothes in the end to massage with her bare legs, from your wording it is not quite clear to me.

Sorry I was not clear, at the end, she just slip down her stockings till more or less to her kness but left her undies on, and opened her t-shirt, not even taking off her bra, so, I could only touch her cheap poliester bra, noting else.

So at the very end, I paid 100RMB more for less. I have learnt from that, and only offer know 100RMB, it found it is not worth to pay more for nothing.

Yesterday afternoon, I had some free time, so I decided to go and try Sacrosa in Pudong, I was 100% convinced where it was, so, I did not write the address. When I enter to the building I was convinced it was located, I get in the elevator, and when it opens on the 5th floor, I am surprised, it is a Restaurant! At that moment you can not imagine how much I regret not haven taken the address with me (will never happen again), I thought, OK, it is in the area, so it will not be very complicated, I entered in almost every single building next to Next Age, and found nothing, I wanted to give this sauna a try, and was decided to find it, but after almost 1hour looking around, and getting in many buildings I quite, and decide to go to Weifang. I decide to try Tequila in Weifang. These small MP always surprise me, from outside they seem small, but once inside, they are big and quite nice decorated. I take a 2h massage for 300RMB, but the mamasan does not mention nothing about special massage, and for a moment I think that due to the crack down they might not offer it.

The girl that is going to give me the massage seems to have just got up from a nap, would say she is a 6. No idea why, I never get the ones that are outside.

Massage starts and I was just waiting to see if there would be any indicator of a happy ending, when she starts with me legs I think, this will be the moment to see, and for my surprise she finishes the legs with no indication of happy ending (I get a little disappointed) she tells me to turn around, starts with my chest, and then to me legs, and finally tells asks the waited question. Do you want a massagy here, and I say, YES OF COURSE! Agrees for 100RMB but I can not touch her (OK, even if I pay more, I will not be able to touch her anyway). She does a lovely job, playing with every single part, I try to ask her for a prostatic massage, but yells, NO! So it is just superficial. She is working more or less 20min, delaying the final moment, I tell her several times to stop, becasue, I was just did not want it to end, but, after a while, I got to the point of no return.

After that, we still have approx 30min, and finishes doing my legs.

All in all, a quite good experience!

I have got Sacrosa pending! And next time, for sure, I will go with the address written down! Will not happen again!