American Politics

[QUOTE=EihTooms;3070621]So Trump was not "too much" of anything, just the right amount of everything, but especially in his ability to lie better than those Dem nominees?

The presidential characteristic Trump possesses that Tiny seems eager to defend the most over and over again is his ability to con people into losing their money on his failed businesses and investment scams while brilliantly keeping as much of their sucker money as possible and then brilliantly having the American tax-payer bail him out for any millions and millions of losses he might have incurred along the way. That is what Trump brought to his first run for the presidency.

Of course, in his subsequent runs for the presidency Trump still possessed that admirable to Tiny and other MAGAs characteristic to his campaign but with the unprecedented addition of the Worst Record of Economic Results since the previous Repub potus Herbert Hoover combined with the Worst National Security Results re Trump's Pandemic as an elected official in USA history.

But, no matter, Tiny really admired Trump for those characteristic and attributes and saw them as much, much more important and viable characteristics and attributes for a President of the United States of America than anything Hillary Clinton, Joe Biden or Kamala Harris brought to the table from their private and public / elected official lives. Therefore, he was fine with doing absolutely nothing to put so much as a single vote for any one of them on the scorecard to annoy Trump.

Oh, and then there was that thingy where Trump led his violent mob of cop-attacking and killing insurrectionists into bloody battle on American Soil to overturn a free and fair election, overthrow American democracy and assassinate a few duly-elected officials along the way including his own Vice President. But that apparently also doesn't compare to the "too much" of whatever his Dem opponents had demonstrated over their many years of public service for at least a minimal plurality of the American electorate.

Personally, I didn't see anything in the private or public services lives of, say, Al Gore, John Kerry, Hillary Clinton, Joe Biden or Kamala Harris that was even remotely "too" anything to have justified what anyone paying attention could have predicted and indeed did come true about 2 of the Worst Presidents of All Time that squeaked out the razor-thin election wins or Repub MAGA Majority Supreme Court appointment as president vs those Dem candidates.

But, hey, different strokes you know.[/QUOTE]Actually Tooms, Trump's business practices were the reason I would NOT vote for him, in 2016 or subsequently. I merely pointed out that some voters, including several friends, thought Trump's "take no prisoners" philosophy in business would translate well to the roll of Leader of the Free World.

[QUOTE=HotDog666;3070590]I know you're feeling him 'cause you like it like this.

He's breaking it down, he's not the same.

I know you're feeling him 'cause you like it like this.

Aah spin. That intrinsic feature that electrons possess which no one really understands. But no electron spins like Elvis spins. After all, who could spin a total defeat and humiliation into a win?! Yep, according to Elvis, our lord and saviour may have actually intended this all because he wanted to reduce American reliance on ME oil. Elvis, your talents are wasted. Please apply for Karoline Levett's job.

I actually agree with a lot of what you wrote aside from your ascribing such great vision to your lord and master. If things weren't bad enough, now we hear talk of a $350 billion payment to Iran as a sweetener for them to the deal. I mean calling this a car crash is being charitable, and yet you still want to spin this into something other than Drumpf being a total idiot.

As for Israel being diminished, I don't agree, given that it owns 95% of the senate via AIPAC (which says a lot about American corruption) and that Larry Ellison's just bought Paramount and has made it clear that any negative comments on Israel will be suppressed, and that. Well whatever, do you really think that Israel is going to take America off its chain?[/QUOTE]Agree or disagree with Elvis, his posts are often thought provoking.

I don't think Zionist Jews in the USA are the main problem. Rather it's the fundamentalist Christians who believe God has blessed the Jewish people, and so the USA must always take their side. Some believe we're in the end times. Actually the fundamentalists' views are similar to some of the IRGC zealots, who also believe we're in the end times. The difference apparently is that the Iranians believe the Mahdi will soon return with Jesus at his side to destroy the Great Satan (USA) and Israel. And the fundamentalists believe Jesus is returning soon to destroy the Muslims.

Trump got taken in by Netanyahu. I think he realizes that now.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;3070523]Name a Dem nominee or president who was as much of a fuckup in their private and / or public life before getting nominated as Donald Trump was fully and totally known to be before being the Repub nominee in 2016, 2020 and 2024.

Nobody in America had as fucked up a record in business OR as an elected official as Donald Trump has well and truly earned.
[/QUOTE]You need to quit giving me layups. How about James Buchanan, Franklin Pierce, Andrew Johnson, George McClellan, and Horario Seymour? Trump had no record in public office before 2016, but anyone with a brain would have known those guys were going to fuck up.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;3070500]LOL. Was there any scenario that you dumb Dems were going to post anything other than this? You have been screaming Iran won before anything happened. Now you are posting nothing has changed which tells me you suffer from TDS and have your head completely up your ass because to you, this war was only about Trump.

Since the 1970's, American military has been held hostage to the notion that the SOH could be closed and the economy and our way of life would be threatened, and we had to spend bigly to not have that outcome. Well, it was closed and although there was a short term blip in the price of oil, the world did not come to an end. Even before the war ended, the futures market was predicting $50 oil five years from now. Hell, the market was so tame that there were those who swore the market was being manipulated. So here is a news flash: the great horror that the SOH could be closed is nothing now, and we can get the fuck out of the region. That is huge!

Second, Iran attacked its neighbors and regretted it. Oh, they had been doing it for years. It just was not covered much in the media. Iran was slamming drones into Saudi refineries years before and lying about it. A finance guy was detailing how so much money that was flowing to Dubai is now headed to Hong Kong and Singapore. Now gulf states like the UAE and Qatar are going to have design ways around the Iran problem if they want money flowing back into them, and they have incentive to do so. Are you going to fly Air Emirates into Dubai now? I won't at least not for a while. I would be looking at Oman or Turkey over UAE, Qatar, and Saudi airlines. Iran even admitted regretting hitting their neighbors which long term probably does more damage to them that any bomb we dropped could have.

Third, Israel and the Jewish lobby's clout is now the lowest in my lifetime and thank God for that. I have heard about how Israel is America's only stable friend in the Middle East for decades. Well, with friends like them, who needs enemies? Many of those poor Jewish people, the peace lovers who had endured the Holocaust, have had their blood lust exposed. Israel is not stable, and I am tired of the Zionists claiming they would be so peace loving if not for how terrible the Arabs are. Europe puts aside its differences and has been living in peace. It is Israel's turn. The bloom is off the rose. Israel is no longer the good guys. Like is so often the case, the Arabs and Jews are both in the wrong and need to work to fix things versus just pointing fingers. Maybe that will happen now that most Americans see Israel for what it is.

Speaking of which, the political slobbering over Israel and Jews on the part of some politicans has been exposed. When Ted Cruz said to Tucker Carlson that he wanted to be the most pro-Israel senator in the USA senate, I was shocked. Our governor banned anti-zionist signs as hate speech, a luxury he afforded to no other minority group. The record of these two in particular with regards to Israel and Jews are going to be exposed, and my question will be, who are you putting first, Texas or Israel? If it is the latter, you are not getting my vote.

And similarly, the pro-war part of the Republican party along with the neocons are done controlling the party. Of all the movements of the MAGA campaign, the one that was the most hated and hardest to kill were the forever wars like in Afghanistan and Iraq. Russia is mired in one of its own, and we thought we would be joining them. Yeah, that is over. Trump gave the neocons and hard line Jews what they wanted and it was a disaster. These groups who were itching for so war so badly could not define what a victory was and everyone knows that now. Was this really about an Iran threat or just having defense firms be shoveled billions once again and satisfying Israel's blood lust?

And a corollary to that is the American military looked pathetic. Using million dollar missiles to shoot down $5000 drones? Lying about a F-15 being shot down? Having to keep our ships far away from Iranian shores? The American military has gotten fat and lazy with their forever wars. I have heard ad nauseam about how powerful they are, and their arrogance prevented them from learning what was going to in Ukraine. They were held at bay by a third rate power, and that was a lesson that needed to be learned. In fact, the changes in how the USA fights future wars because of the failures in this little skirmish may prevent our asses from getting kicked in the next conflict.

And the last and possibly most important changes are shifts in the energy world. We will see production move away from the unstable Middle East / Asian countries to the Americas. With enough investment, Venezuela can replace all the oil flowing out of the Persian Gulf. If the PM in Canada actually follows through with the needed pipelines, China will be buying sizeable amounts of Canadian crude. USA production will continue higher and other nations like Argentina and Brazil will add to the demand. Argentina has a field called Vaca Muerta that has the potential to be another Permian Basin. Offshore oil in Brazil and Guyana have billions in proven reserves.

As for the last energy change, that is not as much related to the war but gasoline cars with ICE are on their way out, and we are not going to need as much oil. ICE cars have thousands of moving parts compared to 20 in an EV. EVs require no oil change and much less maintenance. In the nations where there were fuel shortages, the trend towards EVs has been accelerated.

I went out shopping for cars in Mexico. The BYD SUV PHEV or plug in hybrid cost $40,000 and was nicer than a Cadillac Escalade at triple the price. I was with women swooning over the vehicle. Then came the Geely E5. Fuck me. The women dumped the BYD SUV as fast as a guy with herpes and were swooning over this even better looking car. Top of the line leather seats, sound that you have in a movie theater, voice control everything. I pried my women away from the car and said we had to check out Tesla with their FSD (full service driving) feature. The Geely has FSD in China but not in Mexico.

The FSD on the Tesla was incredible and both women felt way more comfortable in control of that vehicle and that is what we are going with, but it is notwhere close to the luxury of the cheaper Chinse vehicles. It is just a matter of time before China bring FSD to the rest of the world or Tesla does plug in hybrids. Sure, 90% of the driving I do would be covered by Teslas but the Geely has 600 miles of range and some PHEVs are up to 1500 miles. Why would I not want to have both range and cheap fuel?

The Republican notion that we need to rewire everything was bullshit. You just plug in EVs when usage is lowest. Spidy has done zilch to convince me that this flurry of windmills and solar panels are a good thing for grids, but if you want to have them for yourself and give the Middle East petronations the bird, you can do so.

Musk has also been accelerating the demise of the diesel truck with electric trucks with FSD. I have been shocked at how many are already on the road.

So yeah, this war acclerated the demise of the importance of the Middle East and the crude that flows from there big time. Those who say things are the same have terminal TDS. Whether you want to give Trump credit for that or say it was just dumb luck is up for opinion, but this war has changed a lot.[/QUOTE]I enjoyed reading that, all the way through the EV's. That's an interesting slant on Trump's travails in Iran. I think he made a mistake getting out of Obama's JCPOA. You're right though, in the end he didn't get us into a forever war, like George W Bush and Kennedy / Johnson. The loss of American life was minimal. The cost, $100 billion, was peanuts in a sea of wasteful government spending.

[QUOTE=Canada;3070629]Trump saved Venezuela and now the people there are finally prospering. Only president in history to finally get peace in the Middle East. Finally putting an end to Iran nuclear ambitions after 47 year war with Iran. If you don't think ending the Iran sponsor of terrorists is good for the world then you obviously are supporting the terrorists.[/QUOTE]You really believe what You write here? When so blind, when nothing changed in Iran, nothing, just a failure for USA which just made messe in economics and inflation. Trump wants to stop war he made because of big inflation and mid terms coming, when he lost this war, but hope not for mid terms, when more than 60% Americans are against his politics. Real figures and 4,2% inflation in USA now. You should think: Am I in majority or minority? When You live in US society.

[QUOTE=Tiny12;3070637]He's definitely got a lot more energy than Biden did at the same age. Did you see Tooms' video of Biden with Leno? Poor Joe couldn't even drive his own car.[/QUOTE]I would worry a lot if I was on same road than Trump driving, when falling asleep everywhere, even in very noisy Madison.

[QUOTE=Canada;3070625]Trump works 20 hours a day. Unlike the lazy democrats, socialists and French. He is allowed to nap once in awhile. Just beside you have a miserable life in France don't try to run down our great life in USA. Millions of tourists are coming into USA this week and they are loving America. Only the French and the democrats hate America. Keep your ssd life to yourself.[/QUOTE]I don't plan to come to live in USA, I m not like retired Americans who come to live in France for our free healthcare and I much prefer to live in so beautiful France with great way of life, much more culture and better foods, prettier women. Worldcup in USA is a mistake for who likes this football, degrading this game, when You know this game I started to play when I was 7 , when too big lack of knowledge in USA. Not once, but falling asleep almost every day, when he is too old and sick fat. I hope he won t sleep today, to understand what is France culture if he is able, when his megalomania will never compete with beauties of France. He seems so proud to be invited in Versailles castle, but not a king.

[QUOTE=Tiny12;3070637]He's definitely got a lot more energy than Biden did at the same age. Did you see Tooms' video of Biden with Leno? Poor Joe couldn't even drive his own car.[/QUOTE]Anybody who did watch that video rather than pulling stuff put of his ass about Biden saw that Joe Biden did indeed drive his own car at the end of the episode.

Poor Tiny. Couldn't even watch a 28 minute video without lying about Joe Biden. An Ultra MAGA Trumpster for sure.

Trump would not have known there is such a thing as a stick shift manual transmission, how to drive such a car, which country manufactured that Corvette or which auto manufacturer built it.

The only numbers Trump would have come up with for the questions and topics Leno brought up would be utterly unrelated lies about how many millions more votes he got in 2020 than Biden and how many "hundreds of thousands" of American soldiers died in the Vietnam War.

Yes, that is how disconnected from reality Trump is compared to Biden. Even today.

[QUOTE=Tiny12;3070642]You need to quit giving me layups. How about James Buchanan, Franklin Pierce, Andrew Johnson, George McClellan, and Horario Seymour? Trump had no record in public office before 2016, but anyone with a brain would have known those guys were going to fuck up.[/QUOTE]I don't recall any of them leaving office with 3 million fewer jobs in the economy than when they started, adding Trillions to the deficit with zero to show for it and starting a counterproductive quagmire War of Choice in the Middle East based on their own lie.

Was any of them in debt for more $400 Million on day one of their presidency and then immediately launched into a Political Favors For Billions in Bribes factory administration?

You do know that Trump still ranks below each and every one of those presidents, nevermind the nominees, as dead last by non partisan and bipartisan historians, right?

[B]Historians rank Trump worst president in history, Lincoln the best[/B]

[URL]https://www.yahoo.com/news/historians-rank-trump-worst-president-155354643.html[/URL]

That was before he was the nominee in 2024.

[QUOTE=Tiny12;3070641]Agree or disagree with Elvis, his posts are often thought provoking.

I don't think Zionist Jews in the USA are the main problem. Rather it's the fundamentalist Christians who believe God has blessed the Jewish people, and so the USA must always take their side. Some believe we're in the end times. Actually the fundamentalists' views are similar to some of the IRGC zealots, who also believe we're in the end times. The difference apparently is that the Iranians believe the Mahdi will soon return with Jesus at his side to destroy the Great Satan (USA) and Israel. And the fundamentalists believe Jesus is returning soon to destroy the Muslims.

Trump got taken in by Netanyahu. I think he realizes that now.[/QUOTE]Yes, you're right Tiny, Christian fundamentalists are as big or, arguably, even bigger an issue than zionists. After all, 60% of jews look unfavourably on Israel's actions- the other 40% who do however favour Israel in conjunction with right wingers, neo cons, and general racists, are having serious detrimental influence on American foreign policy and it's only right that it should be questioned and raised. It's very interesting that in the US a lot of those who were deemed far right are now cynical about Israel, whereas the right wing remains highly favourable towards Israel; in the UK and Europe the far right however and the right remain looking very favourably towards Israel, see the marches by far right activist Tommy Robinson where there are many Israel flags.

[QUOTE=Tiny12;3070643]I enjoyed reading that, all the way through the EV's. That's an interesting slant on Trump's travails in Iran. I think he made a mistake getting out of Obama's JCPOA. You're right though, in the end he didn't get us into a forever war, like George W Bush and Kennedy / Johnson. The loss of American life was minimal. The cost, $100 billion, was peanuts in a sea of wasteful government spending.[/QUOTE]Which war did Kennedy / Johnson get America into?

Trump can't get most numbers right but the only number regarding Eisenhower's Vietnam War is when he repeatedly reminds us it "lasted 19 years." Which for Trump is close enough to call it correct according to all credible historians that we ought to give it to him.

And which also puts the start of Eisenhower's Vietnam War and America's full and total commitment to fighting it by word, deed and Treaty after Eisenhower replaced the retreating French military with our own at several years before Kennedy ran for President.

Have you got a different calender for the start of the Vietnam War, Eisenhower replacing the retreating French military with our own, him signing on to the SEATO military commitment to that War and the election of Kennedy as President that contradicts every credible historian and history book timeline for that War?

If so, please cite the source, provide the link and quote the passage where a credible historian claims Kennedy / Johnson "got us into the Vietnam War."

Oh, BTW, I don't believe the younger, more virulently hardline anti-America Islamic Revolutionary Guard regime in Iran, the country of Lebanon or Netanyahu recognize the current ceasefire so Iran can shore up their military readiness as a "Peace Deal" or anything like the end of Trump's War in Iran.

Do you honestly believe those people are now forgiving and forgetting the thousands of Iranian adults and hundreds of Iranian children Trump mass murdered on a whim based on his lie and for no reason after they had been proven to be in full compliance of a much stricter anti nuke deal than anything Trump will ever negotiate?

What has already been leaked out about Trump's unconditional surrender to Iran, if it is the final word on it and probably on orders to him by the oil industry, is a total disaster for America going forward.

[QUOTE=HotDog666;3070590]I know you're feeling him 'cause you like it like this.

He's breaking it down, he's not the same.

I know you're feeling him 'cause you like it like this.

Aah spin. That intrinsic feature that electrons possess which no one really understands. But no electron spins like Elvis spins. After all, who could spin a total defeat and humiliation into a win?! Yep, according to Elvis, our lord and saviour may have actually intended this all because he wanted to reduce American reliance on ME oil. Elvis, your talents are wasted. Please apply for Karoline Levett's job.

I actually agree with a lot of what you wrote aside from your ascribing such great vision to your lord and master. If things weren't bad enough, now we hear talk of a $350 billion payment to Iran as a sweetener for them to the deal. I mean calling this a car crash is being charitable, and yet you still want to spin this into something other than Drumpf being a total idiot.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=HotDog666;3070590]I know you're feeling him 'cause you like it like this.

He's breaking it down, he's not the same.

I know you're feeling him 'cause you like it like this.

Aah spin. That intrinsic feature that electrons possess which no one really understands. But no electron spins like Elvis spins. After all, who could spin a total defeat and humiliation into a win?! Yep, according to Elvis, our lord and saviour may have actually intended this all because he wanted to reduce American reliance on ME oil. Elvis, your talents are wasted. Please apply for Karoline Levett's job.[/QUOTE]LOL. You know that you have TDS when if anyone says anything even remotely positive about Trump, the TDS fools like yourself have at it. The dogma of dumb Dems like yourself is that Trump is scum, the absolute worst. He sucks as a businessman. The war was a complete failure. His supporters are stupid, and Kamala Harris would have been way better, oh and Biden, who could not walk or talk was way better too. Yeah, Biden was so fucking good he got yanked by the ballot.

Heaven forbid you pull your head out of your ass and realize that Kamala's whole campaign was basically, "I am not Trump" and got her ass kicked. Was that a wake up call for those of you with TDS? Hell no! Why admit to being stupid when you can claim you are so smart?

I give Trump a the- for his action with this war. He was right about the SOH being shut down not affecting things too much despite the rants of Dems. And the other thing is he knew he had a losing hand and folded. I admire a president who made a mistake and changes a course while you people with TDS make fun of him with the TACO moniker. Do you fools want this war to continue? That is why you people with TDS are so pathetic. You all have no vision. It is all whatever Trump is doing is wrong, and that is so lazy and pathetic.

But the mistakes were huge. He was totally suckered by Netanyahu. He thought Iran would be taken down as easily as Venezuela was. And when I said the performance of the American military was abysmal, that is on Trump as Commander and Chief. He is in charge of the military not the generals. Then there was the endless drivel of how we have won then we are going to bomb Iran back to the stone age and then we have a peace deal and then we do not. For a guy who wrote the Art of the Deal, he should know that you are not going to get a deal if the other side thinks you cannot keep your word. It seemed like the stock market got to the point of just not listening to him any longer.

But yeah to someone like yourself who thinks everything Trump does is a F including how he is as a businessman then yeah, I could see how you could say that I am spinning things. In your screwed up head, even one compliment with regards to Trump is spinning things. What cracks me up is how you TDS fools keep going on about Trump after you lost. There is not one second of self reflection that maybe you are in the wrong. No, in your mind, everyone who voted for Trump is an idiot.

[QUOTE=Tiny12;3070641]Agree or disagree with Elvis, his posts are often thought provoking.

I don't think Zionist Jews in the USA are the main problem. Rather it's the fundamentalist Christians who believe God has blessed the Jewish people, and so the USA must always take their side. Some believe we're in the end times. Actually the fundamentalists' views are similar to some of the IRGC zealots, who also believe we're in the end times. The difference apparently is that the Iranians believe the Mahdi will soon return with Jesus at his side to destroy the Great Satan (USA) and Israel. And the fundamentalists believe Jesus is returning soon to destroy the Muslims.

Trump got taken in by Netanyahu. I think he realizes that now.[/QUOTE]There is more than one problem in the USA and I think it was the Christian base in the Republican party more than any other subgroup that yelled the loudest against the war. Usually the wackiest political groups call for censorship and when the Fundamentalists were at their peak that is what they were doing. That the left has taken on censorship now shows that they are even whackier than the Christian fundamentalists. That the CFS fipped for Trump despite his being thriced married and a yankee to me showed new found flexibility that they had not exhibited before.

American pols have been slobbering over Israel almost since it was founded. It is a problem not the biggest problem our nation has but one of them. The nice thing is this war has shined a huge light o who pols are really working for. I know about that fundamentalist view of Jews as the chosen people and the resurrection of Jesus was a reason fundamentalist Christians signed on to W's second war in Iraq. Like with so many things these days, I first heard about the resurrection from a comedian and did a double take, "What? That is why the war is going to happen? Jesus makes his return?

For all Tooms and the dumb Dems and their bellyaching, there are huge limits on what a president can do. The one huge difference between Trump and the Dems was the Dems never met a war that they did not like, and Trump knows that most wars are losers. If the fundamentlists wanted a war for the resurrection of Jesus, they should have voted for someone other than Trump.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;3070653]You really believe what You write here? When so blind, when nothing changed in Iran, nothing, just a failure for USA which just made messe in economics and inflation. Trump wants to stop war he made because of big inflation and mid terms coming, when he lost this war, but hope not for mid terms, when more than 60% Americans are against his politics. Real figures and 4,2% inflation in USA now. You should think: Am I in majority or minority? When You live in US society.[/QUOTE]Why do you continue to lie about everything. You aren't fooling anybody just showing your true character. Why would anyone believe you about your life in France when you lie about everything else? Only a fool would believe one of your posts but I guess you think there are other fools here.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;3070655]I don't plan to come to live in USA, I m not like retired Americans who come to live in France for our free healthcare and I much prefer to live in so beautiful France with great way of life, much more culture and better foods, prettier women.[/QUOTE]You make a excellent point right here my man.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;3070655]IWorldcup in USA is a mistake for who likes this football, degrading this game, [/QUOTE]You are absolutely right about that. The only reason citizens of the Dis United States of America are interested in the WorldCup is it gives them a reason to put on their red white and blue cheerleading outfits and pick up their pom poms.

As for the current administration, midterms are coming. Term ends in 2 years.

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