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[QUOTE=Allover;1979621]The girl specifically asked him not barfine another girl in the same bar. She may be a psycho witch (can't use the "b" word here) that causes problems, you never know. Of course we mongers can do what we want. But why not be respectful and move on? There are lots of other girls in Pattaya.[/QUOTE]Respectful? Respect is something else in my books.
A bit different question about pricing:
I have been on and off Pattaya quite while also, and normally give girl 1.5K regardless of what she ask or ask not. If she ask for more and won't budge, normally no deal (very few exceptions with hotties). And if she not ask, I give 1.5k. I always go for LT deal only. And I am pretty picky for appearance and attitude so with 1.5k should get decent girls.
However, I have never had same girl more than 2 nights on a row. Now, I am facing (a weird) situation that I would like to try a true LT (i.e maybe few weeks) with one of my regulars with whom I have spent many normal (overnight /12-18 HR) LT's with my usual donation.
My question is what would be reasonable donation for this kind of extended LT i.e. few weeks, say maybe 1 mo or more, assuming I cover expenses and she just gets net cash to herself and family? I have not asked her nor have I offered anything. She is more than eager for such arrangement, putting aside pricing as no talk about it. Not sure if she expects same 1.5k per night or less.
Wondering if there is "generally accepted" weekly or monthly price or discount level for freelancers vs overnight LT price (like the 1.5k for overnight LT which I think is generally accepted by girls)? Or is the reality so that this just a case by case negotiation without any expectation on girl side? I guess quite a bit such stays especially for trips to islands etc, however I have no idea for pricing expectations.
Just don't want to offer too little not to upset her, nor too much to distort pricing. Any advice and experience appreciated.
[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1978294]Which clubs have you been to? In general I pay 1K for LT. And in the 11 years that I have been going to Thailand (including the 7 years that I have been living in Pattaya) I have never given more than 1.5 K LT.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1979646]Hookers losing face? You have got to be shitting me. You are talking like they are Samurai or something.
So am I also not allowed to return to the same disco the following day and take a different girl? What if I go to a different disco and the girl I took the night before from another disco is at that one? Is it then okay since it is at a different venue?
Or what if the girl I barfined turns up at the disco? Am I not allowed to go with another person? If she goes with another person will it cause me to lose face? Is there anything I could do to prevent myself from losing face in that situation?
Well what if I barfine 2 girls from the same bar at the same time? Do I have to keep barfining them together because if I take one and not the other next time, the one who I don't repeat with world will be turned upside down?
If I go back to the same bar must I use the same waitress as well because the one from the previous day will lose face if I don't? Why would it be okay to use a different waitress but not use a different bar girl? What actually happens to the person when this losing face occurs?[/QUOTE]Yeah, Mr. ENT. You be so right! Some guys here are real idjuts! These frickin girls are going with a guy, or many guys every night, or most nights. And they are probably laughing at these farangs too!
To top it all, they get paid, get their drinks paid. And the guys here are concerned about losing face? I say these guys are dumb MFers!
I am laughing at these idjuts man! ROFLMAO.
[QUOTE=Knobrm;1979685]My question is what would be reasonable donation for this kind of extended LT i.e. few weeks, say maybe 1 mo or more, assuming I cover expenses and she just gets net cash to herself and family? I have not asked her nor have I offered anything. She is more than eager for such arrangement, putting aside pricing as no talk about it. Not sure if she expects same 1.5k per night or less.[/QUOTE]A chick once told me that if someone gave her 10000 baht per month then she could stay home. So I would say to give your girl 15000 baht for the month. Problem with that is that if you get tired of her then you are still on the hook for the money. Like letting your eyes overload your ass by ordering a bunch of shit that you are not going to eat when at a restaurant.
I did exactly that the other night here in Peru. Chick told me $15 for 30 minutes. I let my eyes overload my ass and told her I would give her $30 for an hour. Sure as shit at the 30 minute mark I was ready to go. I forced another 5 minutes of it then was like fuck it. But of course I still had to part with the promised salary.
Like you said you better run it by her first because her thinking may be that you will give her 1500/day. I would tell her a total monetary figure for a total time so the amount sounds big to her. Oh don't worry about upsetting her; if it isn't enough then she will let you know.
Seriously though man. If I wanted to have someone for that amount of time then I would just find a normal girlfriend that I did not have to pay. Do you really need a live in maid or just someone to come by every so often to clean? Do you really need a live in hooker?
There is a chick I know who runs a service of driving people to the airport and picking them up. So I always get my friends to use her. I had been kind of talking with her with a hint of some type of relationship but everytime I am back in Pattaya I am like fuck that. Besides the taxi thing, she owns a chicken restaurant and a salon.
My brother just hit me up and asked me what is up with her. I said nothing. Single. Looking for a man. I was supposed to hit last time but I really didn't want to so I kept putting her off. He said She be sendin sexy fotos, talkin about hangin out when I come back. I said LOL. Maybe she does not realize you are my brother.
[QUOTE=Knobrm;1979685]A bit different question about pricing:
I have been on and off Pattaya quite while also, and normally give girl 1.5K regardless of what she ask or ask not. If she ask for more and won't budge, normally no deal (very few exceptions with hotties). And if she not ask, I give 1.5k. I always go for LT deal only. And I am pretty picky for appearance and attitude so with 1.5k should get decent girls.
However, I have never had same girl more than 2 nights on a row. Now, I am facing (a weird) situation that I would like to try a true LT (i.e maybe few weeks) with one of my regulars with whom I have spent many normal (overnight /12-18 HR) LT's with my usual donation.
My question is what would be reasonable donation for this kind of extended LT i.e. few weeks, say maybe 1 mo or more, assuming I cover expenses and she just gets net cash to herself and family? I have not asked her nor have I offered anything. She is more than eager for such arrangement, putting aside pricing as no talk about it. Not sure if she expects same 1.5k per night or less.
Wondering if there is "generally accepted" weekly or monthly price or discount level for freelancers vs overnight LT price (like the 1.5k for overnight LT which I think is generally accepted by girls)? Or is the reality so that this just a case by case negotiation without any expectation on girl side? I guess quite a bit such stays especially for trips to islands etc, however I have no idea for pricing expectations.
Just don't want to offer too little not to upset her, nor too much to distort pricing. Any advice and experience appreciated.[/QUOTE]Put yourself into their (Thai) mind.
If she charges 1500/ ST she hopes to get two / night (dreaming is free), that makes 3000 a day, where they need to deduct the dialysis living expenses.
Offering 1. 5 a night (plus living expense and surely some shioomhnopooorruty) for a 7 nights commitment seems appropriate to a Western mind.
I doubt it is for a (girl) Thai mind. She might think she is loosing 1. 5 a day.
[QUOTE=Haven123;1979712]Yeah, Mr. ENT. You be so right! Some guys here are real idjuts! These frickin girls are going with a guy, or many guys every night, or most nights. And they are probably laughing at these farangs too!
To top it all, they get paid, get their drinks paid. And the guys here are concerned about losing face? I say these guys are dumb MFers!
I am laughing at these idjuts man! ROFLMAO.[/QUOTE] I think there is room for different opinions on this board. I'm surprised you would call anybody that disagrees with you an idjut and dumb MFer. You seem, through your posts, to be a reasonable person.
[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1979646]Hookers losing face? You have got to be shitting me. You are talking like they are Samurai or something...[/QUOTE]Welcome to Asia. If you are going to be sitting around all day and making over 6000 posts (how do you find time to actually monger when you are not busy posting on ISG? You should at least try to better understand the regions you are expressing your opinions about. The concept of "face" is an important aspect of Asian culture, and it doesn't stop at the door of a brothel, go-go or hotel. Even a green newbie like me could figure that one out.
[QUOTE=Knobrm;1979685]A bit different question about pricing:
I have been on and off Pattaya quite while also, and normally give girl 1.5K regardless of what she ask or ask not. If she ask for more and won't budge, normally no deal (very few exceptions with hotties). And if she not ask, I give 1.5k. I always go for LT deal only. And I am pretty picky for appearance and attitude so with 1.5k should get decent girls.[/QUOTE]Seeing as I never paid more than 1000 baht for ST earlier this month, then I must presume that you are paying too much for short time. Once you realize that and put it into practice, the economics will be more to your favor.
Just a couple of responses to my responses.
First, I'd like to say: do whatever makes you happy, as long as it doesn't impede on someone else's happiness, right? If the girl doesn't want to lose face, and you want to respect that, then go ahead, nothing wrong with that, and don't give a shit what others think. If you think it's crazy that a girl asks for anything like that, then go back the next day and barfine the other girl and don't care what she wants. Personally, This girl was wild and crazy. Originally I was going to just agree to what she asked until after she left, and then just show up the next day regardless of what she wanted. But I chose to respect her wishes because: 1. I think she might have stabbed me for it 2. I think it might have created conflict if I did barfine the other girl, and the girl wouldn't have given me good or the best service because of it 3. I didn't really want to go back to the same place two nights in a row, I ended up with something better and cheaper the next night anyways.
Just relax everyone, and be happy. Live and let live. This is a forum to share information and ideas, not a judgement zone.
Anyways, I also disagree about not letting Mimi read my ISG post about her. To be honest, I want ALL working girls to know about ISG and other mongering websites. That way, they know they should provide better service, which in turn gets more and better clients because of the good reviews. After Mimi read my post, she spent the rest of the night trying to snuggle me and hold my hand because she wanted to provide better GFE service so I would write a good report about her! Haha I thought it was cute. I've had many of you guys flood my inbox for referrals, and those women are super grateful for them that they give me better service and discounts when I see them again.
[QUOTE=Eszpresszo;1979831]Welcome to Asia. If you are going to be sitting around all day and making over 6000 posts (how do you find time to actually monger when you are not busy posting on ISG? You should at least try to better understand the regions you are expressing your opinions about. The concept of "face" is an important aspect of Asian culture, and it doesn't stop at the door of a brothel, go-go or hotel. Even a green newbie like me could figure that one out.[/QUOTE]Having negotiated deals with some of the largest Asian companies for decades, of course I understand about losing face.
The point was not that at all! The point is that you are ' paying' for their service and that is their chosen job.
The other point is that they say that to you, but they are ones going out with another guy from that same bar, again for money.
Now, that is not something where Asians would say that they lose face when they propose a ' one way' deal. The girl in question wanted to get paid for a ' one way only ' face saving arrangement where she gets the money, you get excluded from all other girls at her establishment and she is free to go the same day or the next day with another guy who may have been sitting and casually chatting with you in the same bar, the previous night.
Consider this example : It's like a Asian corporate guy saying ok, you buy my product and I will give you a great product and great service, but you pay for it AND, guess what, if you ALSO source from one of the competitors in my country, or my industry or local geographic area , I will lose face !!! Even though both this guy and his countrymen competitors were pitching their products at the same industry expo, and where this same Asian corporate guy also pitched to my competitors and will happily sell the same product to my competitors, whether or not I lose face with my superiors, or lose money as a result of my competition also sourcing the same product, from the same Asian supplier.
Now, that's what we call BS. Actually, it's Super BS. Only a dodo would agree to those terms. LOL.
[QUOTE=Allover;1979828]I think there is room for different opinions on this board. I'm surprised you would call anybody that disagrees with you an idjut and dumb MFer. You seem, through your posts, to be a reasonable person.[/QUOTE]Ok, point accepted.
[QUOTE=Haven123;1979896]Having negotiated deals with some of the largest Asian companies for decades, of course I understand about losing face.
The point was not that at all! The point is that you are ' paying' for their service and that is their chosen job.
The other point is that they say that to you, but they are ones going out with another guy from that same bar, again for money.
Now, that is not something where Asians would say that they lose face when they propose a ' one way' deal. The girl in question wanted to get paid for a ' one way only ' face saving arrangement where she gets the money, you get excluded from all other girls at her establishment and she is free to go the same day or the next day with another guy who may have been sitting and casually chatting with you in the same bar, the previous night.
Consider this example : It's like a Asian corporate guy saying ok, you buy my product and I will give you a great product and great service, but you pay for it AND, guess what, if you ALSO source from one of the competitors in my country, or my industry or local geographic area , I will lose face !!! Even though both this guy and his countrymen competitors were pitching their products at the same industry expo, and where this same Asian corporate guy also pitched to my competitors and will happily sell the same product to my competitors, whether or not I lose face with my superiors, or lose money as a result of my competition also sourcing the same product, from the same Asian supplier.
Now, that's what we call BS. Actually, it's Super BS. Only a dodo would agree to those terms. LOL.[/QUOTE]But isn't this exactly what makes Thailand so unique? Do we have to abide by these rules? No. But we do have to work around issues resulting from breaking these rules, rules that you'd never run across elsewhere. It adds almost a 'personal' twist to the business being conducted. You wouldn't date a woman from your office and then take her co-worker out and fuck her without getting hell now would you? Guys always talk about getting a true girlfriend experience, what isn't more 'girl friend experiencees' than having a girl scream in your face?
Thanks for advice.
Well it is a bit of a special case. She is one of my long time regulars and I kind of like her; a bit more than a friend but not a GF. I plan to travel around for few weeks (non-monger travel) and consider taking her as travel companion.
Don't want to make girlfriend level of commitment so I do not mind spending some extra to keep my freedom, however against my principle to go much over market price. That's why the search for advice as no prior experience on this kind of extended LT.
[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1979774]A chick once told me that if someone gave her 10000 baht per month then she could stay home. So I would say to give your girl 15000 baht for the month. Problem with that is that if you get tired of her then you are still on the hook for the money. Like letting your eyes overload your ass by ordering a bunch of shit that you are not going to eat when at a restaurant.
I did exactly that the other night here in Peru. Chick told me $15 for 30 minutes. I let my eyes overload my ass and told her I would give her $30 for an hour. Sure as shit at the 30 minute mark I was ready to go. I forced another 5 minutes of it then was like fuck it. But of course I still had to part with the promised salary.
Like you said you better run it by her first because her thinking may be that you will give her 1500/day. I would tell her a total monetary figure for a total time so the amount sounds big to her. Oh don't worry about upsetting her; if it isn't enough then she will let you know.
Seriously though man. If I wanted to have someone for that amount of time then I would just find a normal girlfriend that I did not have to pay. Do you really need a live in maid or just someone to come by every so often to clean? Do you really need a live in hooker?[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=ThomKatt;1979880]Just a couple of responses to my responses. Just relax everyone, and be happy. Live and let live. This is a forum to share information and ideas, not a judgement zone.
Anyways, I also disagree about not letting Mimi read my ISG post about her. To be honest, I want ALL working girls to know about ISG and other mongering websites. That way, they know they should provide better service, which in turn gets more and better clients because of the good reviews. [/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Allover;1979232]<snip> showing the girls ISG. I consider this website to be a special place for us. The girls don't need to be reading our thoughts, strategies, and other information. Because the girls know about websites like this it is much harder to get them to pose for pictures. I used to come back from trips with a lot of girls' pics but now they rarely agree to pose for pics because they know it could wind up on the internet.
[/QUOTE]Thom, I kind of liked your original report. You had a good attitude, knew how to go with the flow, and managed to have a pretty decent time rising above some of the pitfalls you encountered and / or self created. I was even going to ignore your violation of the punter's code of ethics that you made by showing one of your girls the ISG, a violation that truly irked me to read. But now you have violated the monger code a 2nd time by doubling down on it and insisting that you did nothing wrong and that is even ok and advantageous to show bar girls the ISG.
Let me tell you emphatically that it is not OK. In fact, it is so wrong that I don't know where to begin to try to explain it to you. So I am not even going to try or have anything further to do with you unless you can realize the error of what you did and stop defending it. I will just say this in the hope you may have an open mind; if it is your goal to turn Asian working girls into shitty performing, lousy attitude western hookers then go ahead, show the girls the ISG. But if you like Asian working girls and appreciate what special qualities they possess, than this cannot be your goal, so please stop your reckless destructive behavior immediately. It is so insane. All you or anybody else has to do is treat the girls nice and they will do the rest. Don't try to change them. You gain no points, no advantage by showing them this forum.
Furthermore, let me tell you that I and other BM's have been burned by guys doing exactly what you so nonchallantly admit to doing so IMHO continued like behavior on your part should justifiy the permanent suspension of your membership here. Your act not only hurts the girls atitudes and behaviour, it also harms the ISG by forcing board memebers to be less open and giving with what they contribute here. This is exactly why I no longer post pictures or give the names of my girls on this forum. I assume that it is also not your intent to harm the ISG, so once again, I ask you to cease and desist with what you have done immediately. No honorable monger shows a working girl this forum. Period!