Amsterdam

[QUOTE=StRobert;2378973]If the girl is from the Netherlands then a small inscription or card "NL" is on the window.[/QUOTE]High class escort agencies like Society Service and the Courtesan Club have many Dutch working girls.

[QUOTE=StRobert;2378973]If the girl is from the Netherlands then a small inscription or card "NL" is on the window.[/QUOTE]Not all the time. But anyway, you were replying to an old post from 2018.

Always had a good time in the RLD but have not visited for about 10 years. Can anyone say if it has changed in that time? If for the worse then are any other Dutch towns or cities a better bet?

[QUOTE=CanalBank;2381936]Always had a good time in the RLD but have not visited for about 10 years. Can anyone say if it has changed in that time? If for the worse then are any other Dutch towns or cities a better bet?[/QUOTE]Yes, it has changed a lot and there are some alternatives. Just read the forum, that's what it's for.

[QUOTE=CanalBank;2381936]Always had a good time in the RLD but have not visited for about 10 years. Can anyone say if it has changed in that time? If for the worse then are any other Dutch towns or cities a better bet?[/QUOTE]Yes it has changed in 10 years. Probably fewer windows occupied, and fewer available too maybe. The Wallen area seems to me to be winding down slowly and has the appearance of a purely tourist attraction at several times in the day, with less actual business than before. The other RLD areas, for example the Singel area seem more like it was back in the day.

[QUOTE=DanCee;2383257]Yes it has changed in 10 years. Probably fewer windows occupied, and fewer available too maybe. The Wallen area seems to me to be winding down slowly and has the appearance of a purely tourist attraction at several times in the day, with less actual business than before. The other RLD areas, for example the Singel area seem more like it was back in the day.[/QUOTE]When I was in De Wallen recently, there seemed to be a lot of empty windows, especially during the day time.

[QUOTE=DanCee;2383257]Yes it has changed in 10 years. Probably fewer windows occupied, and fewer available too maybe. The Wallen area seems to me to be winding down slowly and has the appearance of a purely tourist attraction at several times in the day, with less actual business than before. The other RLD areas, for example the Singel area seem more like it was back in the day.[/QUOTE]It is not winding down. The government is shutting it down. Just like when they thought it was a good idea to close down the Coffee Shops, a few years ago. Then they realized it was a bad idea and came back to their senses and reopened them. They are trying to do the same with the windows. They bring too much tourism to Amsterdam and make too much money. They want to move them to someplace the tourists won't go. Then they will realize that was a bad idea and came back to their senses and reopen them. It's a Work In Progress.

[QUOTE=ILikeCandy69;2383393]It is not winding down. The government is shutting it down. Just like when they thought it was a good idea to close down the Coffee Shops, a few years ago. Then they realized it was a bad idea and came back to their senses and reopened them. They are trying to do the same with the windows. They bring too much tourism to Amsterdam and make too much money. They want to move them to someplace the tourists won't go. Then they will realize that was a bad idea and came back to their senses and reopen them. It's a Work In Progress.[/QUOTE]It's an interesting analogy. I remember them trying to close down the coffee shops, but it clearly didn't work.

I have happy memories of the RLD, especially in the backstreet alleys etc so I'm hoping maybe they won't have changed too much.

[QUOTE=CanalBank;2383834]I have happy memories of the RLD, especially in the backstreet alleys etc so I'm hoping maybe they won't have changed too much.[/QUOTE]During the day it has changed a lot. I think even on a Friday more than half of the windows is empty. After 9 pm there isn't that much difference with 10 years ago. Ruysdaelkade hardly has any women. I found the Spui and around not very much better during the day. Haven't't gone there at night at all. So the Wallen is still the best place and best come after 9 pm. Or try to find a gem during the day. Lianna, first window on the right (corner) in the Dollebegijnensteeg is nice. So is Angela in Trompettersteeg, last window on the right. Both coming from the direction of the Annendwarssteeg. Hope that helps. Oudekennissteeg has some true beauties during the day but some might sell-up quite a bit.

[QUOTE=DioRetz;2387280]During the day it has changed a lot. I think even on a Friday more than half of the windows is empty. After 9 pm there isn't that much difference with 10 years ago. Ruysdaelkade hardly has any women. I found the Spui and around not very much better during the day. Haven't't gone there at night at all. So the Wallen is still the best place and best come after 9 pm. Or try to find a gem during the day. Lianna, first window on the right (corner) in the Dollebegijnensteeg is nice. So is Angela in Trompettersteeg, last window on the right. Both coming from the direction of the Annendwarssteeg. Hope that helps. Oudekennissteeg has some true beauties during the day but some might sell-up quite a bit.[/QUOTE]What's the going rate for a lady in the RLD in Amsterdam? Or market value for a good one?

[QUOTE=Jpot81;2387702]What's the going rate for a lady in the RLD in Amsterdam? Or market value for a good one?[/QUOTE]That's a good question. The general entry price used to be 50 euro for 15-20 minutes. That included undressing and dressing up again. So, I only did that once. For many years I paid 100 euro for half an hour. Half an hour meant just half an hour and it was the same during the day or evening / night. Now 100 euro during the day still gets you half an hour but with limitations, like only 2 positions. It might be 3 positions and no blowjob if you prefer that. Some girls in the day crew will quote you higher than the 100 euro per half hour. Leave them alone, please. They only ask money and don't give anything back. Giving in to them means as much as you want to be deceived. And you surely will be deceived. The night crew sometimes quotes 200 per half hour, sometimes they ask 150 for half an hour. But there still are some that ask 100 for half an hour. So the uniform prices have gone. You might try to negotiate that down but I advise you not to. I have never heard of negotiations in RLD Amsterdam going all that well for the guy, as you negotiate down price and service. If a girl asks more than 100 euro per half hour, I move along. Most of times I spent 1 hour for 200 euro nowadays. My advantage is that I get her attention for quite a while and she is in no rush anymore. Reason for that is that her price for the room is about 150 euro for the day crew. So having a customer paying her daily expenses gets her nerves down. I have heard prices of 300 euro for a room for the night crew. So, if you ask to stay two hours for 400 euro with the night crew than she got her expenses for the day. If you can afford that of course. And it is better to first find a lady that will ask 100 euro per half hour and then stay longer. She usually will be nicer. And I cannot say this often enough: upselling is almost always only about the upselling, not about extra service.

Day crew often settles the day around 17:30 or 18:00. Night crew often starts after 20:00.

[QUOTE=Ludacris775;2383318]When I was in De Wallen recently, there seemed to be a lot of empty windows, especially during the day time.[/QUOTE]This has been happening for the last decade, still can't understand why Amsterdam is seen as the benchmark. Far from it. Amsterdam RLD is a selfie location. Barely if any Dutch girls work there and that matters because the locals don't really like the place unless they have vested interests. Seeing empty windows is now the norm. Even night time has declined. It must be 2008 the last time there was 100% or 90% occupation and choice. What the girls are there now charge almost double from back pre-2010, wasted $$.

[QUOTE=LordLucanII;2391472]This has been happening for the last decade,[/QUOTE]The reason is obvious. Even a Amsterdam fan like me has switched to FKK Germany for about half of the time.

[QUOTE=LordLucanII;2391472] still can't understand why Amsterdam is seen as the benchmark.[/QUOTE]Far from it. Nobody that I know sees it that way. Maybe the tourists are still flabbergasted by the girls in the windows.

[QUOTE=LordLucanII;2391472]Amsterdam RLD is a selfie location.[/QUOTE]Please don't take pictures of the girls. It doesn't happen often but when I see it, I ask people not to take pictures. One girl told me that 'she was dead as she was on the internet'. Please don't do that to girls.

[QUOTE=LordLucanII;2391472]Barely if any Dutch girls work there and that matters because the locals don't really like the place unless they have vested interests.[/QUOTE]I don't know of any Dutch girl working there. But that may be just me. In The Hague (Hunsestraat and Geleenstraat) you can find them more often. They present a Dutch flag at their window. Most locals simply don't care but are not really proud of it. To be clear: I am a local.

[QUOTE=LordLucanII;2391472]Seeing empty windows is now the norm.[/QUOTE]During daytime that is, yes but especially the "Oudekennissteeg" has a lot of girls during the day. It is not easy even for more experienced girls to get a room there on a regular basis. A sweety of mine did not succeed.

[QUOTE=LordLucanII;2391472]Even night time has declined. It must be 2008 the last time there was 100% or 90% occupation and choice.[/QUOTE]That simply is not true. When did you go there for the last time? 2008? Even in 2012 I roamed the streets there during the day. About 70-80% of the windows taken. On Saturday evenings around 11 pm all windows still are taken when I go there and often the streets are super crowded with tourists.

[QUOTE=LordLucanII;2391472]What the girls are there now charge almost double from back pre-2010, wasted $$.[/QUOTE]It doesn't have to be wasted. Just read my previous posts. I really wonder where you get your info. I try hard to supply this thread with solid reliable info. If you read them well, your chances will be better to get a decent lay.

I think the bottom line (currently) is that if you are purely looking for optimal commercial sex, you can do better than the Amsterdam RLD. German FKKs are probably best at that.

However, if you are looking for a great place to visit, and commercial sex is just a part of it, Amsterdam remains a good choice. The museums, street markets, canals, and overall ambience are great. The Dutch aren't known for their cuisine, but Amsterdam is a big enough city that there are plenty of choices from around the world. And, of course, the availability of (for practical purposes) legal cannabis and "coffee shops" where you can imbibe with others is great. It's still possible to have satisfactory paid sex in Amsterdam. It's not like it used to be, but gems can be found. The two smaller RLDs might be a better bet for those looking for something out of the ordinary.

[QUOTE=Neurosynth;2392180]. The two smaller RLDs might be a better bet for those looking for something out of the ordinary.[/QUOTE]What are the 2 smaller RLDs?

Thanks.