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[QUOTE=EihTooms;3077855]It's difficult to tell if that is the punchline of a joke with the setup for it missing or the setup for a joke with the punchline for it missing.

I mean, as everyone knows, Obama was the one who got Iran to put in writing that they will never pursue nuclear weapons, Trump is the one who twice confirmed that Iran was in full compliance with that agreement, then Trump is the one who immediately dispelled with all National Security reason and tore up that agreement leaving Iran to do whatever it damn well pleased for the next 9 years now that their most virulent anti-American hardliners' predictions were proven true by Trump that they can't trust and shouldn't have honored any agreement with America, then Trump is the one who ignored his own intel and all expert warnings not to start a War of Whim against Iran because, 1, it posed no threat of a nuclear attack, 2, the regime was already softening its stance against America and the West since that Obama agreement had set them on that path already, 3, the old hardline Supreme Leader was on his deathbed anyway, 4, he was surrounded by moderates waiting nearby to take over at the moment of his death and, 5, to start a War of Whim Against Iran would surely mean Iran would retaliate with all the moves they have indeed retaliated with so far that have only handed them more power over worldwide economies than they ever had before, then Trump is the one who ignored all of that and launched his War of Whim Against Iran anyway, killing the already dying Supreme Leader, killing all if the moderates who were waiting in the wings ready to take over, killing thousands of Iranian citizens and hundreds of Iranian children for which Iran most assuredly has resolved to never, never, never comply with any agreement with America ever again and will also most assuredly devote themselves to acquiring nuclear weapons as well as launch into generations of asymmetrical warfare against America and Americans all around the world as targets of terrorism and terrorist attacks, all set in motion and freshly inspired by Trump because he owed some leaders in the Middle East, who always pined for America to plunge itself into a Forever War Against Iran, payback for getting him elected, dodging justice and filling his and his Crime Family's pockets with hundreds and hundreds of billions and billions of dollars in emoluments, bailoults and bribes..[/QUOTE]Obama's deal with Iran was equally impressive as Neville Chamberlain's "Peace in our time" deal with Adolf.

Let's be honest; why do you think all of the US allies in the region were absolutely furious over Obama's deal? If it was such a great deal wouldn't they have celebrated?

They were livid because Obama's deal basically handed the entire Middle East to Iran. Hezbollah terrorists caught trafficking narcotics into the US were released and sent back to the Middle East flying First Class.

What moderates are you talking about? There are no moderates in the Iranian regime, or do you really think murdering 30'000 demonstrators is moderate?

That's one of the reasons why Trump tok out the evil ayatollah and the "moderates" that you were talking about.

The awful part in all of this is that Trump has probably saved more innocent Iranian lives than what has been taken by US bombs, its a fact that the Iranian regime has murdered more Iranians than USA.

What we do know for sure is that the main cause of death among young Iranians is the Iranian regime. But sure, they were moderates.

The Obama deal was great for Iran because it gave them more money to spend on their ballistic missile program and terrorist friends in Lebanon and Yemen. Much of the chaos we see today was indirectly financed by USA under the Obama administration.

The Obama deal was a road to nuclear weapons and complete control over the Middle East and Strait of Hormusz for Iran.

[QUOTE=ShooBree;3078030]Obama's deal with Iran was equally impressive as Neville Chamberlain's "Peace in our time" deal with Adolf.

Let's be honest; why do you think all of the US allies in the region were absolutely furious over Obama's deal? If it was such a great deal wouldn't they have celebrated?

They were livid because Obama's deal basically handed the entire Middle East to Iran. Hezbollah terrorists caught trafficking narcotics into the US were released and sent back to the Middle East flying First Class.

What moderates are you talking about? There are no moderates in the Iranian regime, or do you really think murdering 30'000 demonstrators is moderate?

That's one of the reasons why Trump tok out the evil ayatollah and the "moderates" that you were talking about..[/QUOTE][B]Trump administration says Iran complying with nuclear deal.
April 29, 2017[/B]

[URL]https://apnews.com/united-states-government-3b0e6e3cc254433ead3a283bb30d079b[/URL]

[B]Trump on Irans Multiple Violations.
April 13, 2017[/B]

[URL]https://www.factcheck.org/2017/10/trump-irans-multiple-violations/[/URL]

Trump never made a clear case for why he tore up Obama's deal. And his own Intel agencies could not support his lamebrained decision to do that.

[B]President Trump Could Decertify the Iran Nuclear Deal. That Could Massively Backfire.
Dec. 13, 2017[/B]

[URL]https://time.com/4978954/president-trump-iran-nuclear-deal-sanctions/[/URL]

In fact, that decision and his more lamebrained decision to have America payback with its blood, lived and money his 2024 election win debt to Netanyahu and his Crime Family's emoluments, bailouts and bribes debts to other countries in the region who wished for a USA president stupid enough to start a Forever War with Iran has massively backfired on America has also never been justified by his own Intel agencies.

Neither Trump nor any future Repub nor doubtful even a future Dem will ever get as good a deal with Iran as the one Obama and Kerry got after years of hard work and negotiation.

[QUOTE=ShooBree;3078030]Obama's deal with Iran was equally impressive as Neville Chamberlain's "Peace in our time" deal with Adolf.

Let's be honest; why do you think all of the US allies in the region were absolutely furious over Obama's deal? If it was such a great deal wouldn't they have celebrated?

They were livid because Obama's deal basically handed the entire Middle East to Iran. Hezbollah terrorists caught trafficking narcotics into the US were released and sent back to the Middle East flying First Class.

What moderates are you talking about? There are no moderates in the Iranian regime, or do you really think murdering 30'000 demonstrators is moderate?

That's one of the reasons why Trump tok out the evil ayatollah and the "moderates" that you were talking about.

The awful part in all of this is that Trump has probably saved more innocent Iranian lives than what has been taken by US bombs, its a fact that the Iranian regime has murdered more Iranians than USA.

What we do know for sure is that the main cause of death among young Iranians is the Iranian regime. But sure, they were moderates..[/QUOTE]Obama's great accomplishment in his short-sighted capitulation to Iran was giving the Mulla's a legal pathway towards obtaining nuclear weapons and the means of delivering those weapons to their perceived enemies in the region.

But in all fairness, it remains to be seen how the current war will turn out. Trump keeps postponing the inevitable, IMHO. I. E. Destroying Iran's infrastructure and sending the regime back to the pre-industrial age.

Both a major blunder and total disrespect:

[URL]https://youtu.be/ION8k6EVu2M?is=1IeMKCjh8MUsXW6a[/URL]

[QUOTE=EihTooms;3078079][B]Trump administration says Iran complying with nuclear deal.
April 29, 2017[/B]

[URL]https://apnews.com/united-states-government-3b0e6e3cc254433ead3a283bb30d079b[/URL]

[B]Trump on Irans Multiple Violations.
April 13, 2017[/B]

[URL]https://www.factcheck.org/2017/10/trump-irans-multiple-violations/[/URL]

Trump never made a clear case for why he tore up Obama's deal. And his own Intel agencies could not support his lamebrained decision to do that.

[B]President Trump Could Decertify the Iran Nuclear Deal. That Could Massively Backfire.
Dec. 13, 2017[/B]

[URL]https://time.com/4978954/president-trump-iran-nuclear-deal-sanctions/[/URL]

In fact, that decision and his more lamebrained decision to have America payback with its blood, lived and money his 2024 election win debt to Netanyahu and his Crime Family's emoluments, bailouts and bribes debts to other countries in the region who wished for a USA president stupid enough to start a Forever War with Iran has massively backfired on America has also never been justified by his own Intel agencies.

Neither Trump nor any future Repub nor doubtful even a future Dem will ever get as good a deal with Iran as the one Obama and Kerry got after years of hard work and negotiation.[/QUOTE]The Iran deal was a joke, all other US allied countries in the region agreed on that.

You have to stop acting as a cheerleader for whatever the democrats are doing and start to think for yourself. I'm sure Obama and his administration did some good things but they truly dropped the ball on the Iran issue. As I've just said before Obama strengthened Iran and gave money for weapons and soldiers and a clear path to nuclear weapons and dominating the Middle East.

Obama didn't understand the Middle East and he didn't seem to care about it.

I'm glad to see that you're unable to debunk or prove me wrong on a single point.

Just admit that Obama messed up and stop the childish name calling against your political opponents, you can do that without voting for Trump or the next President Marco Rubio.

I'm actually sad to see that you're pretending that the Iran deal was anything but a gigantic failure. It didn't address a single issue, except the nuclear weapons which Iran didn't have and still doesn't have today.

It actually makes me angry to think about how awful the deal was.

[QUOTE=AxelHeyst;3078107]Obama's great accomplishment in his short-sighted capitulation to Iran was giving the Mulla's a legal pathway towards obtaining nuclear weapons and the means of delivering those weapons to their perceived enemies in the region.

But in all fairness, it remains to be seen how the current war will turn out. Trump keeps postponing the inevitable, IMHO. I. E. Destroying Iran's infrastructure and sending the regime back to the pre-industrial age.[/QUOTE]Trump needs to end this war by ending the Iranian regime.

It would be the best thing since the fall of Nazi-Germany. But everyone is so shortsighted, especially the market. Sometimes you just got to take the pain to get a better future in the long run.

[QUOTE=AxelHeyst;3078107]Obama's great accomplishment in his short-sighted capitulation to Iran was giving the Mulla's a legal pathway towards obtaining nuclear weapons and the means of delivering those weapons to their perceived enemies in the region.

But in all fairness, it remains to be seen how the current war will turn out. Trump keeps postponing the inevitable, IMHO. I. E. Destroying Iran's infrastructure and sending the regime back to the pre-industrial age.[/QUOTE]What was this "legal pathway towards obtaining nuclear weapons" of which you speak? Do you have a link for that other than Trump saying so in some blithering state of uncontrollable "weave"?

The Obama-Kerry deal had Iran explicitly stating they would never obtain them, the very words Trump has been demanding of Iran were already in the deal he tore up.

The A. I. Overview:

[QUOTE][b]In Obama's deal, did Iran explicitly state they would never obtain nuclear weapons?
+4
Yes, under the 2015 Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action (JCPOA), Iran explicitly reaffirmed its commitment under the nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty (NPT) that it would "under no circumstances ever seek, develop or acquire any nuclear weapons".Official Commitments in the DealPermanent Reaffirmation: The text of the JCPOA explicitly states that Iran will not, under any circumstances, seek, develop, or acquire nuclear weapons.[/b]

NPT Obligations: This commitment tied back to Iran's long-standing legally binding status as a non-nuclear weapon state under the international Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty.

[B]No-Expiration Prohibitions: The White House and international partners stressed that the foundational prohibition against an Iranian nuclear weapon had no end date or "sunset" clause.[/b]

The Religious Context (The Fatwa)Religious Ruling: Iranian officials frequently pointed to a religious decree, or fatwa, issued by Supreme Leader Ali Khamenei declaring that the production and use of weapons of mass destruction were forbidden under Islamic law.

Diplomatic Role: While Tehran often presented this fatwa during negotiations as a religious guarantee matching their legal pledges, Western critics and analysts long debated whether such a political/religious statement carried the weight of an immutable, verifiable restriction.Is Iran developing a nuclear weapon? - UK ParliamentFeb 15, 2555 BE The Iranian government says that it is not aiming to develop nuclear weapons. In fact, in a. statement to the IAEA meeting in Vienna in 2005, the Iranian chief ...UK ParliamentThe nuclear fatwa that wasnthow Iran sold the world a false narrative - Atlantic CouncilMay 9, 2567 BE According to Khosro Sayeh Isfahani, Iran's chief nuclear negotiator at the time, there was no coordination in advance for a "fatwa" against nuclear weapons. The...Atlantic CouncilIran has never sought nuclear weapons and never will, Khamenei aide saysFeb 3, 2568 BE Iran has said that it will not pursue nuclear weapons. Iran's Supreme Leader, Ali Khamenei, has said that building and maintaining nuclear weapons is "absolutel...ایران اینترنشنالFact-checking Trump's comments that a 2015 deal gave Iran ... - PBSMar 7, 2569 BE Our ruling. Trump said the nuclear agreement "gave (Iran) the right to have top-of-the-line nuclear weapons." The nuclear agreement did not bless any Iranian "r...PBSThe Historic Deal that Will Prevent Iran from Acquiring a Nuclear WeaponNo. Under this deal as well as under the Nonproliferation Treaty, Iran is never allowed to develop nuclear weapons. Put simply, under this deal, there is a perm...National Archives (.gov)The Historic Deal that Will Prevent Iran from Acquiring a Nuclear WeaponThe Iran Deal blocks the four pathways to a nuclear weapon. Building a nuclear bomb requires either uranium or plutonium, but thanks to this deal, Iran's four...National Archives (.gov)THE IRAN NUCLEAR DEAL: WHAT YOU NEED TO KNOW ABOUT ...Jul 14, 2558 BE Iran can never acquire a nuclear weapon is permanent. The end of some commitments in 10-15 years will not re-open the door to an Iranian nuclear weapon. Cruci...National Archives (.gov)[/QUOTE]And as far as Iran having missiles that could reach its neighbors in the Middle East, Trump already openly agreed to that "out of fairness" on the World stage:

The A. I. Overview:

[QUOTE][b]Tump agreed to allow Iran to have missiles out of fairness.

President Donald Trump stated that it is acceptable and a matter of relative fairness for Iran to possess ballistic missiles in proportion to neighboring countries like Saudi Arabia and Qatar.[/b]

Context of Trump's Statement

[B]G7 Summit Remarks: [/b]

During a press conference in France on June 17, 2026, Trump remarked, [b]If other countries have them, its a little bit unfair for them not to have some,[/b] as reported by the Times of Israel.

Proportional Limits:

[B]He clarified that in relative proportion to regional peers who already possess them, allowing Iran some conventional ballistic missiles is okay, distinguishing them from catastrophic nuclear weapons.[/b]
2:20Trump promises new Iran talks on Monday. Iran says it's only talking to ...FacebookAl Jazeera EnglishAs deal takes force, Trump says 'it's okay' for Iran to have some ballistic missilesJun 18, 2569 BE [b] US President Donald Trump on Wednesday claimed Iran should be allowed to keep some of its ballistic missiles, as he defended the signed memorandum of understand...The Times of Israel[/b][/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=NewtonYork;3077860]Does anybody else here think the odyssey was a good movie? I thought it was ok[/QUOTE]My English teacher's first assigment to us was the Odyssey and he made the case that there never has been literature ever as good, so it is hard to screw things up when you have good source material.

Of course, the PC / DEI elements bugged me. Nolan literally made up a trannie character called Sinon to show a white man being cruel to her / him. Of course, Helen of Troy, the most beautiful woman in the world, had to be black as did her sister. She had to tell off her husband and Athena had to be half black.

Part of the book was showing how the Gods had their favorites and people were just pawns in their game. Of course, that would mean that the bad actions of a white man / men were not due entirely to themselves, and Hollywood could not have that, so the Gods playing their games with humans, a huge part of the Odyssey, were cut to almost nothing.

All Athena did was shrug and look at Odysseus in a shaming way. She could have been cut from the movie entirely.

Calypso was basically a hooker / mistress type who drugged Odysseus to keep him from returning home to his wife. Of course, she was shown to be compassionate. The female slaves plotting with the suitors could not be killed in the movie. The wife of Odysseus had to order around the son when in the literature it was vice versa. The wife had to be the strong mom, boss babe type. All women have to be good and morally pure! Sigh.

We did have white slaves though. OMG, say it isn't so. White people as slaves? That must be fiction.

Given how the minorities and women were treated, I felt like part of the messaging of the Odyssey about loyalty, patience, and virtue were diminished. The only people who seem to screw up and learn in movies in Hollywood these days have to be white men. Everyone else is perfect.

That said, I would give the movie an A-. I am not sure the film could be made without being somewhat PC / DEI. The good part were the action sequences were incredible. The movie was fast paced and there were no parts that dragged. The relationship between Odysseus and his men were real and faithful to the source material as was the no-win situation and conflicts a leader can sometimes be placed in. It is a fantastic story, arguably the greatest story ever told, and the movie did bring it to life which was not easy.

So it is worth seeing even if you have to hold your nose at some parts.

[QUOTE=ShooBree;3078143]Trump needs to end this war by ending the Iranian regime. It would be the best thing since the fall of Nazi-Germany. But everyone is so shortsighted, especially the market. Sometimes you just got to take the pain to get a better future in the long run.[/QUOTE]According to him he already ended the regime. We took out a few layers of it, but then the next wave espousing the same views (or even worse) stepped into place. That's not regime change. That's causing the enemy to just dig in even deeper. I'm not a big proponent of regime change anyway. How well did that turn out for us in Iraq and Afghanistan? Even in Venezuela we didn't get true regime change. Short of total war and complete annihilation (Nazi Germany & Imperial Japan for example), which comes at a terrible price on all sides, regime change doesn't seem to be working out too well. I'm more for "behavioral modification" in most cases than I am for regime change. Make it hurt enough, and the enemy will change its behavior. Trump's problem is that he's acting like he can deal with these people like he's trying to get a Manhattan real estate deal or something! Once we started, we should not have stopped until the job was done. Don't just talk about it. No, bomb their asses back into the stone age! What did Saddam Hussein do when the Iraq-Iran War looked like it was going to turn badly against him? He used poison gas on their asses, and that's when Iran sued for peace! I'm not saying we ought to or need to go that far. But what I am saying is make it hurt enough militarily, economically, and diplomatically and the bastards actually will be begging for a ceasefire (and not just Trump lying about that)! Trump is fucking up big time. He got us into this shit, and now he doesn't known how to get out. But what else could we expect? He doesn't have the stomach or stamina for war. Talks a lot of shit, but isn't up to the task. He doesn't have the ""nerve" to bring the pain. But Saddam Hussein the bastard brought the "nerve" gas! Well, I don't know what type of gas it was. I forgot. But, you get my "drift". Saddam Hussein made sure whatever kind of gas it was it "drifted" over enemy lines, and the Iranians quit real quick! Find a way to make it hurt enough, and they [B]will[/B] quit! That's all I'm saying. No more on again off again nonsense unnecessarily risking the lives of our forces! Force is the only things these people are going to understand. So let them have it and stop fucking around. Shit or get off the pot and get out of there! One or the other man. One or the other!

[QUOTE=Spidy;3078010]In my previous post, I suggested that those, that were bloviating about so called socialism in America, were obviously blinded to the blatant and unprecedented levels of corruption, thievery, grifting and looting of public coffers, by their MAGA Furher, his MAGA Crime Family and Criminal MAGA Syndicate billionaire buddies, framed as their own 'MAGA Socialist' Piggybank, was perhaps labeled incorrectly and upon reflection, this really more resembles, [B]the looting of communist regimes[/B].

[U]The MAGA Communist Party, looting of public coffers:[/U]

The $1 for you, $100 for me, MAGA Fuhrer style of "MAGA capitalism", is its own MAGA brand of "commie bastard capitalism" (to coin a phrase), masquerading as capitalism, when corruption, theft and the looting of public coffers, goes unchecked by gullible Republicans, blinded by fake Christian nationalism, that ignores the social democratic processes that capitalism lives in.[/QUOTE]So this is the Democratic answer to Democrats literally quoting the communist manifesto as part of their platform? We are not the communists. The Republicans are! LOL. Oh, and the Republicans are Nazis too! And racists too!

That the Communists and Nazis fought the deadliest war the world has ever known does not bother the Democratic douche. Communists are bad and so are Nazis so they must be Republican!

Then there was Trump as a bad businessman trope. That Trump made billions with Truth Social after you dumbshit Democratic douches had him banned from Twitter is something you all still will not touch with a 10 foot pole. Your defense is blind arrogance. I am not going to waste my time discussing that with some MAGA idiot like you Elvis!

While you Democratic all are busy jerking yourselves off, you seem to miss that the choice of many Americans is between which party is less crazy and on that score, you Dems win hands down.

[QUOTE=ShooBree;3078141]The Iran deal was a joke, all other US allied countries in the region agreed on that.

You have to stop acting as a cheerleader for whatever the democrats are doing and start to think for yourself. I'm sure Obama and his administration did some good things but they truly dropped the ball on the Iran issue. As I've just said before Obama strengthened Iran and gave money for weapons and soldiers and a clear path to nuclear weapons and dominating the Middle East.

Obama didn't understand the Middle East and he didn't seem to care about it.

I'm glad to see that you're unable to debunk or prove me wrong on a single point.

Just admit that Obama messed up and stop the childish name calling against your political opponents, you can do that without voting for Trump or the next President Marco Rubio.

I'm actually sad to see that you're pretending that the Iran deal was anything but a gigantic failure. It didn't address a single issue, except the nuclear weapons which Iran didn't have and still doesn't have today.

It actually makes me angry to think about how awful the deal was.[/QUOTE]Clearly, I have debunked all of your unsubstantiated opinions that fly in the face of overwhelming evidence and easily observable reality with actual links to Real News reports time and time again.

As I did time and time again with Canada's and others unsubstantiated opinions that flew in the face of overwhelming evidence and easily observable reality.

You have to stop repeating blithering nonsense spouted by Trump and his slavishly devoted fellow lying sycophants and try reading, listening to, watching some Real News for a change and doing your own research that can actually be linked to credible reports right here any time but which you so far are obviously utterly incapable of doing.

And, no, having other MAGALoons without a shred of evidence to substantiate their own blithering unsubstantiated nonsense chiming in to agree with your unsubstantiated blithering nonsense doesn't count as links to credible reports.

[I]All I wanna say is that they don't really care about us![/I]

[QUOTE=ShooBree;3078143]Trump needs to end this war by ending the Iranian regime. It would be the best thing since the fall of Nazi-Germany. But everyone is so shortsighted, especially the market. Sometimes you just got to take the pain to get a better future in the long run.[/QUOTE]The problem is that regular people take the pain while they take the gain. Republicans are not interested in the betterment of life for the [B]poor[/B] (like me) or regular citizens of the Dis United States of America.

Without boots on the ground, all the leader of the Article 2 branch of the government of the Dis United States of America has done is waste lives and money. But of course they can just print more money. It is just paper and worthless.

White people could non be legally as slaves in the Dis United States of America nor in the American Colonies.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;3078169]We did have white slaves though. OMG, say it isn't so. White people as slaves? That must be fiction.[/QUOTE]White people were not legally enslaved as chattel in the United States or its predecessor American colonies under the institutionalized racial slavery that defined the antebellum era. Legal statutes, particularly those codified in Virginia during the late 17th century, explicitly restricted slavery to [B]African, Native American, and later mixed-race individuals[/B], while indentured servitude for white Europeans was a distinct, time-limited legal contract. Anyone who doubts this is engaged in revisionist history.

[URL]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virginia_Slave_Codes_of_1705[/URL]

[B]The Defense Rests![/B]

[QUOTE=EihTooms;3078194]Clearly, I have debunked all of your unsubstantiated opinions that fly in the face of overwhelming evidence and easily observable reality with actual links to Real News reports time and time again.

As I did time and time again with Canada's and others unsubstantiated opinions that flew in the face of overwhelming evidence and easily observable reality.

You have to stop repeating blithering nonsense spouted by Trump and his slavishly devoted fellow lying sycophants and try reading, listening to, watching some Real News for a change and doing your own research that can actually be linked to credible reports right here any time but which you so far are obviously utterly incapable of doing.

And, no, having other MAGALoons without a shred of evidence to substantiate their own blithering unsubstantiated nonsense chiming in to agree with your unsubstantiated blithering nonsense doesn't count as links to credible reports.[/QUOTE][URL]https://www.zerohedge.com/political/real-reasons-why-funding-democrat-party-collapsing[/URL]

[QUOTE=SubCmdr;3078209][I]All I wanna say is that they don't really care about us![/I]

The problem is that regular people take the pain while they take the gain. Republicans are not interested in the betterment of life for the [B]poor[/B] (like me) or regular citizens of the Dis United States of America.

Without boots on the ground, all the leader of the Article 2 branch of the government of the Dis United States of America has done is waste lives and money. But of course they can just print more money. It is just paper and worthless.[/QUOTE]Trump, Kegsbreath and the Trump Administration civilian military "leadership" has now resorted to asking rank and file military personnel and anyine else out there with a working brain if they have any ideas for how in the world they can win Trump's Repub Forever War of Whim based on a Repub Lie in Iran.

[B]Exclusive: US military asks troops for creative and unconventional ideas to punish Iran.
Aug. 3, 2026[/B]

[URL]https://www.cnn.com/2026/08/03/politics/us-military-iran-war-troops-punish[/URL]

[QUOTE]"We are looking for new creative and unconventional ways to pressure and punish Iran, an officer in US Central Commands intelligence branch wrote in a message sent Wednesday to a broad group of military analysts, according to a source familiar with the message. A second source also said that a senior US military officer sent the message last week soliciting new ideas for how to deal with Iran.[/QUOTE]If Trump behaves true-to-form tten if as little as 32% of the analysts respond with anything remotely like "boots-on-the-ground" he will call a hand-picked MAGA White House "press" conference and proudly announce that the USA Military itself has overwhelmingly demanded, "everybody knows it", that he send them in country, boots-on-the-ground, to fight in actual combat with the Iranian people.

That embarrassing exercise has all the earmarks of a classic Trumpian transference of blame for his typically horrific policies and decisions results, this time blaming the rank and file military personnel for the inevitable outcome of him putting boots-on-the-ground. That's even more scurrilous and disgusting than the way Eisenhower spent 7 years fully committing our military to fighting his Vietnam War and then getting out of Dodge right before sending in ground troops would be the only option subsequent presidents had at their disposal to put an end to his Repub Forever War of Choice or start waving the white flag of surrender to Chinese Communism just 15 years after participating in the victory against Fascism in WWII.