Monterrey

[QUOTE=Unspongebob]We already heard all this stuff. Lets define the disagreement. The disagreement isn't that there is no danger in Monterrey.

The disagreement is that the danger has not exhibited itself in the clubs, and that you can, if you just follow some basic safety procedures, no different than any major mongering city with a high crime problem, be statistically safe in coming to Monterrey.

The shear numbers of people in Monterrey compared to the percentage of victims will substantiate that mathematically. But, we merely disagree...so, why are you escalating it, bringing it all up again? You are the one bullying by insisting on bringing up the disagreement again, and it is just that, merely a disagreement.

Tell us something "NEW" that demonstrates that you have any direct knowledge about mongering in Monterrey, and that you're not just a troll with a desire to post inflammatory rhetoric, OK?

And, to insinuate that my posts and opinions are only here to make Monterreydude happy is laughable. Have you not read the extent of our disagreements with one another over countless issues, some concerning mongering style, types of girls, preferences over clubs, politics, mongering strategy, etc...? To suggest we are one in the same individual is even more of a hoot!

Our disagreements are endlessly posted here on ISG for all to read, probably for the rest of eternity. They say that once stuff is posted on the internet, it is there forever. Your making the charge that we are somehow unconditionally harmonious reveals just how mistaken you really are with respect to the relationship between Monterreydude and myself.

We are friends, but we have disagreements in person, and online, quite frequently. But, if for no other reason, it should at least reveal the content of our character that we are not so petty as to allow our disagreements to escalate to the point of being offensive with respect to our postings. And, just because we are friends, doesn't mean that either of us would spare our own personal opinions to placate the other...

Can you not see that we are both too opinionated for that kind of restraint, to preserve our friendship at the cost of not being true to our own opinions?

Frankly, your comments reveal an underlying bias that suggests you have a alternative agenda of some kind, or that you are posting from the perspective of already being a former nemesis, someone with an already established history with us, possibly someone utilizing false screen names to escalate the rhetoric. Or, perhaps your purpose here is more akin to being a troll rather than a legitimate monger.

No matter which of these it is, if any, or none, we are beating a dead horse, verdad? And, of course, we are available to meet with you at any time, just so you will know we are for real. You will at least no longer be able to use that worn out accusation that we are anonymous, especially when so many know us personally, and understand the legitimacy of our connection to Monterrey, and the mongering hobby. Even those that disagree with us do not doubt the validity of that relationship. And, if you are so bold as to actually meet us, and assuming you are not an already well established nemesis with a prior and everlasting agenda, you will find us welcoming you into the fold, agreeing to disagree, but harmoniously standing by our opinions.[/QUOTE]I can assure you that I have no desire to get to know you two nor do I have any desire to read your self-important pap. When I first found this site and signed up, I went back and read up on what was going on in my neck of the woods. I went back nearly 30 pages and didn't find one really useful mongering report from either of you, just a lot of small talk and inside banter.

All the useful info came from others. Someone shouldn't have to meet with you personally to get info. That defeats the whole purpose of an online forum. Don't you guys see that?

Monterreydude, I was poking fun at you and your persistent denial of any dangers in Monterrey, not at the damages and tragedies caused by the hurricane. So, spare me the self-righteous act. What you're doing is the same as what you accuse me of: Downplaying a real danger just to push forward a personal agenda.

Anyway, here's the deal:

If you visit often or if you'll be here an extended period of time, you WILL have to risk yourself a bit at the clubs and/or low end MPs. The idea, though, is to quickly establish a core group of girls and work on them to establish a certain level of trust. Escorts are hit and miss. Some are real finds, most are flakes who can't be relied on for "off the clock" appointments.

Once you're in, you'll have access to a group of girls who will be willing to service you at your place of residence or at the hotel of your choosing. By the way, I've never had any problem bringing girls to any hotel I've ever stayed at in Monterrey. It's been reported here that some hotels are not girl-friendly, but that hasn't been the case for me here or in any other Mexican city I've visited. I have my apartment now, but I still prefer to do business in a hotel. Maybe I'm the exception rather than the rule, but you will only get hassled if you want to stay at the chain hotels or American imports. Stay at hotels that are locally owned. You may not get internet access, but you won't get hassled if you bring girls in.

Anyway, establishing connections is the key. I've even had situations where Girl A has recommended Girls B and C to me. I never go to the strip clubs anymore and I wouldn't even consider visiting those clip joints unless my private stash completely ran dry. I now have about 8-10 top flight girls to turn to and about a half dozen more in reserve. It took me a few months to get there and I had to spend some money, but now things are cheap and easy for me. And, best of all, no semen-stained walls and disease-infested toilets. And no rubbing elbows with cartel thugs.

If you're in town for a short time and/or won't be back frequently, do yourself a favor and hit the high-end MPs where you will find gorgeous girls for a price comparable to what you'd spend at the strip clubs while finding someone to take home. Day appointments are a huge plus for me since I enjoy hitting the legit anthros later on for amateur talent. As for specifics, I'll leave it to you to do a search through this forum. I want you to see for yourself how muddled Monterreydude and Unspongebob have made the board for all those looking for info other than stuff about El Infinito. The fact of the matter is that I rarely even go to MPs anymore, either. I just dip into my stash. Misses is king IMO and it's in a nice neighborhood with plenty of taxi service available. You can take money out from the Banamex ATM about a half block down, just so you're not walking around with a couple of grand in your wallet.

Again, tastes vary, but I always preferred a relaxed, safe, clean atmosphere where you could actually talk to the girls.

Now, I'll just sit back and wait to be shouted down and attacked again for daring to have a differing opinion.

Naw... the more you write, the less I believe you.

CB says "I went back and read up on what was going on in my neck of the woods. I went back nearly 30 pages and didn't find one really useful mongering report from either of you, just a lot of small talk and inside banter. "

Monterreydude says: If you have the monopoly of Universal Knowledge, you would know that half of the info referenced here is shown in public and the rest via PMs to the respective mongers that need it.

CB says: "didn't find one really useful mongering report"
MD says: You really don't have a live brain cell within you. Since Iam local, I know that a "mongering report" is useless after a couple of days. Specially with girl migration around the clubs. Being local I know that they move from place to place faster than you can even imagine. Being a local I know also that club policies change on a day by day basis. Being local, I know that escorts operate in the same way.

CB says: If you visit often or if you'll be here an extended period of time, you WILL have to risk yourself a bit at the clubs and/or low end MPs. The idea, though, is to quickly establish a core group of girls and work on them to establish a certain level of trust. Escorts are hit and miss. Some are real finds, most are flakes who can't be relied on for "off the clock" appointments.

MD says: Really??? How about the mayority of the mongers that comes here for only 2 nights and leave and never return... enlighten us what they can do under those circumstances.

CB says: The idea, though, is to quickly establish a core group of girls and work on them to establish a certain level of trust. Escorts are hit and miss. Some are real finds, most are flakes who can't be relied on for "off the clock" appointments.

MD says: All your falacy is stuck with just this one paragrah. To establish a core of girls takes MONEY, tons of it. Even if they are escorts, club girls, MP girls, you need to drop a a LOT of money for them to start paying serious attention to you. And that is just "starting to notice you".
And I love this part "quickly"... tel that to the mongers that are here for only one day.

CB says: Once you're in, you'll have access to a group of girls who will be willing to service you at your place of residence or at the hotel of your choosing.

MD says: Can you tell me, how big if this "group of girl"??? You must be dropping more money than any of us can imagine.

CB: By the way, I've never had any problem bringing girls to any hotel I've ever stayed at in Monterrey.
It's been reported here that some hotels are not girl-friendly, but that hasn't been the case for me here or in any other Mexican city I've visited. I have my apartment now, but I still prefer to do business in a hotel.

MD says: I don't get it. "I have an apartment now". How can you vouch for hotels being GF??? If you've been here, you should know that Monterrey has tens of hotels where mongers stay all over the city.
Have you been to ALL these hotels: Intercontinental, Camino Real, Safi Valle, Ibis, Wyndham, Sheraton Ambssador, Sheraton Four Points, Quinta Real, Radisson Ancira, the HoJo, Safi Centro, Fiesta Inn Centro, Fiesta Inn Fidel Velazquez, Hampton Inn Galerias, Hamtpon Inn Aeropuerto, Hampton Inn San Nicolas?????
I really mean it.. ALL HOTELS?????

CB says: Stay at hotels that are locally owned. You may not get internet access, but you won't get hassled if you bring girls in.

MD says: Locally owned hotels? Can we get the names of said "locally owned" hotels in Monterrey? Again, after reading that you have an apartment and you only stay in locally owned hotels... how can we trust your word that ALL hotels af girl friendly???
By the way, let me help you out. Safi hotels are localy owned, they have a 4 star and a grand tourism at the Colonia del Valle district AND offer internet acces AND do not allow any visitors to their rooms.

CB says: Anyway, establishing connections is the key. I've even had situations where Girl A has recommended Girls B and C to me

MD: Oh boy!!! Such a liar. Has any monger seen the instance of ho A recomending ho B so the customer can spend his money on B instead of on A???? Not to mention add ho C to the equation??

CB says; "If you're in town for a short time and/or won't be back frequently, do yourself a favor and hit the high-end MPs where you will find gorgeous girls for a price comparable to what you'd spend at the strip clubs while finding someone to take home. Day appointments are a huge plus for me since I enjoy hitting the legit anthros later on for amateur talent."

MD says: If someone's here for a short time... they won't have the time, nor time enough to hit the high en MP's. They are here for work, remember? They don't have an apartment to bring the girls home. If they are here for mongering and the monger asks me about the high end MPs, I will gladly point out to him Versace, Misses, Regias, Romanos, though I recomend Extravaganza as a good option.

.......... and the coup de gras (this is the good one)

CB says: I now have about 8-10 top flight girls to turn to and about a half dozen more in reserve.

MD says: My, you have the market cornered. At least 20 girls in your pocket. Like I said, you must be Howard Hughes, cause it takes a LOT OF MONEY, not to mention time, tons and tons of available time to have, let us not say 20, nor 10... 5 girls in your pocket.

Naw.... the more I read, the less I believe.

















[QUOTE=Chester Boy]I can assure you that I have no desire to get to know you two nor do I have any desire to read your self-important pap. When I first found this site and signed up, I went back and read up on what was going on in my neck of the woods. I went back nearly 30 pages and didn't find one really useful mongering report from either of you, just a lot of small talk and inside banter.

All the useful info came from others. Someone shouldn't have to meet with you personally to get info. That defeats the whole purpose of an online forum. Don't you guys see that?

Monterreydude, I was poking fun at you and your persistent denial of any dangers in Monterrey, not at the damages and tragedies caused by the hurricane. So, spare me the self-righteous act. What you're doing is the same as what you accuse me of: Downplaying a real danger just to push forward a personal agenda.

Anyway, here's the deal:

If you visit often or if you'll be here an extended period of time, you WILL have to risk yourself a bit at the clubs and/or low end MPs. The idea, though, is to quickly establish a core group of girls and work on them to establish a certain level of trust. Escorts are hit and miss. Some are real finds, most are flakes who can't be relied on for "off the clock" appointments.

Once you're in, you'll have access to a group of girls who will be willing to service you at your place of residence or at the hotel of your choosing. By the way, I've never had any problem bringing girls to any hotel I've ever stayed at in Monterrey. It's been reported here that some hotels are not girl-friendly, but that hasn't been the case for me here or in any other Mexican city I've visited. I have my apartment now, but I still prefer to do business in a hotel. Maybe I'm the exception rather than the rule, but you will only get hassled if you want to stay at the chain hotels or American imports. Stay at hotels that are locally owned. You may not get internet access, but you won't get hassled if you bring girls in.

Anyway, establishing connections is the key. I've even had situations where Girl A has recommended Girls B and C to me. I never go to the strip clubs anymore and I wouldn't even consider visiting those clip joints unless my private stash completely ran dry. I now have about 8-10 top flight girls to turn to and about a half dozen more in reserve. It took me a few months to get there and I had to spend some money, but now things are cheap and easy for me. And, best of all, no semen-stained walls and disease-infested toilets. And no rubbing elbows with cartel thugs.

If you're in town for a short time and/or won't be back frequently, do yourself a favor and hit the high-end MPs where you will find gorgeous girls for a price comparable to what you'd spend at the strip clubs while finding someone to take home. Day appointments are a huge plus for me since I enjoy hitting the legit anthros later on for amateur talent. As for specifics, I'll leave it to you to do a search through this forum. I want you to see for yourself how muddled Monterreydude and Unspongebob have made the board for all those looking for info other than stuff about El Infinito. The fact of the matter is that I rarely even go to MPs anymore, either. I just dip into my stash. Misses is king IMO and it's in a nice neighborhood with plenty of taxi service available. You can take money out from the Banamex ATM about a half block down, just so you're not walking around with a couple of grand in your wallet.

Again, tastes vary, but I always preferred a relaxed, safe, clean atmosphere where you could actually talk to the girls.

Now, I'll just sit back and wait to be shouted down and attacked again for daring to have a differing opinion.[/QUOTE]

LOL. Now, I am 100% convinced that you are a wealthy local.

Only these types of people fall apart so completely when their ultimate authority is challenged. It's really like dealing with children sometimes. The insecurity is crazy. If I were Monterreydude's wife, he'd be beating me right now. LOL. Dude, having a few bucks in your wallet doesn't make you a member of the aristocracy, get over yourself.

As for the meat of your attack, I suggest you go re-read what I actually wrote. Stop putting words in my mouth and then trying to refute those points that I never even made.

Really, you might consider deleting this last post of yours. You come off sounding real bad:

Monterreydude: "If you have the monopoly of Universal Knowledge, you would know that half of the info referenced here is shown in public and the rest via PMs to the respective mongers that need it. "

(Why should info be withheld from people on a public forum? Yes, because you want them to come to YOU. All Hail Monterreydude, King of his pretend internet world)

Monterreydude: "You really don't have a live brain cell within you. Since Iam local, I know that a "mongering report" is useless after a couple of days. Specially with girl migration around the clubs. Being local I know that they move from place to place faster than you can even imagine. Being a local I know also that club policies change on a day by day basis. Being local, I know that escorts operate in the same way. "

(Being a local- you are a local, right? I wasn't sure of that. LOL. Well, being a local, price info and other logistics would be helpful to those checking in for the first time. You should have no trouble keeping a running tally of policy changes since you live on this forum and already waste so much time posting small talk and attacks on new members. But, of course, if they want any real, logistical help, they must come to YOU personally. All Hail King Monterreydude.)

Monterreydude: "Really? How about the mayority of the mongers that comes here for only 2 nights and leave and never return. Enlighten us what they can do under those circumstances. "

(If you had kept reading my post, you would've gotten the answer to that question.)

Monterreydude: "I don't get it. "I have an apartment now". How can you vouch for hotels being GF?

I really mean it. ALL HOTELS? "

(In that same section you commented on, I said that I have an apartment, but prefer to do business in the hotels. Surely you can understand the desire to keep mongering activities away from the place where you live and away from business associates, right? Or do you just bring these girls right to your door in broad daylight? And, where exactly did I say ALL HOTELS? I said all the hotels that I've used have not stopped me from bringing girls up. Learn to pay attention.)

As for my group of girls. I don't OWN them, I merely have their names in my phone book and hire them as needed, at about a 30-50% discount than what their initial price was. I'm not spending a fortune, I'm actually saving money from when I had to hassle with those clip joints that you hustle ISG members to. It's about going directly to the girl and eliminating agency fees or bar fines. It's simple unless, of course, you ARE the middle man.

Now, here's the best part of this pathetic attack:

Monterreydude: "If someone's here for a short time. They won't have the time, nor time enough to hit the high en MP's. They are here for work, remember? "

(LOL. They won't have the time for a quick 1 or 2 hour lunch time appointment, but you would have them spending all night at some dive club and then going for the lunch buffet the next day? Come on, that's the very definition of grasping at straws. The high end MPs are precisely made for their convenience to businessmen and people who don't want to waste 6-7 hours on finding a girl.)

The more I look at it, the more of a shill you appear to be. Directing everyone to 1 or 2 specific clubs, guiding people away from certain hotels because they are not "girl friendly" and presumably to others, which are, and insisting that any specifics be discussed on a person to person basis and away from the public forum.

To all those members of the ISG, Monterreydude probably can give you some useful info, but be aware that you are probably being hustled and that Monterrey is much bigger than the small world being presented.

And again, feel free to report any info that may affect our safety.

Monterreydude, please contain yourself and let this go. You can keep being the King of the ISG Monterrey board if that makes you feel better, just don't expect me to bow to you.

[QUOTE=Monterreydude]Naw. The more you write, the less I believe you.

CB says "I went back and read up on what was going on in my neck of the woods. I went back nearly 30 pages and didn't find one really useful mongering report from either of you, just a lot of small talk and inside banter. "

Monterreydude says: If you have the monopoly of Universal Knowledge, you would know that half of the info referenced here is shown in public and the rest via PMs to the respective mongers that need it.

CB says: "didn't find one really useful mongering report"

MD says: You really don't have a live brain cell within you. Since Iam local, I know that a "mongering report" is useless after a couple of days. Specially with girl migration around the clubs. Being local I know that they move from place to place faster than you can even imagine. Being a local I know also that club policies change on a day by day basis. Being local, I know that escorts operate in the same way.

CB says: If you visit often or if you'll be here an extended period of time, you WILL have to risk yourself a bit at the clubs and/or low end MPs. The idea, though, is to quickly establish a core group of girls and work on them to establish a certain level of trust. Escorts are hit and miss. Some are real finds, most are flakes who can't be relied on for "off the clock" appointments.

MD says: Really? How about the mayority of the mongers that comes here for only 2 nights and leave and never return. Enlighten us what they can do under those circumstances.

CB says: The idea, though, is to quickly establish a core group of girls and work on them to establish a certain level of trust. Escorts are hit and miss. Some are real finds, most are flakes who can't be relied on for "off the clock" appointments.

MD says: All your falacy is stuck with just this one paragrah. To establish a core of girls takes MONEY, tons of it. Even if they are escorts, club girls, MP girls, you need to drop a a LOT of money for them to start paying serious attention to you. And that is just "starting to notice you".

And I love this part "quickly". Tel that to the mongers that are here for only one day.

CB says: Once you're in, you'll have access to a group of girls who will be willing to service you at your place of residence or at the hotel of your choosing.

MD says: Can you tell me, how big if this "group of girl"? You must be dropping more money than any of us can imagine.

CB: By the way, I've never had any problem bringing girls to any hotel I've ever stayed at in Monterrey.

It's been reported here that some hotels are not girl-friendly, but that hasn't been the case for me here or in any other Mexican city I've visited. I have my apartment now, but I still prefer to do business in a hotel.

MD says: I don't get it. "I have an apartment now". How can you vouch for hotels being GF? If you've been here, you should know that Monterrey has tens of hotels where mongers stay all over the city.

Have you been to ALL these hotels: Intercontinental, Camino Real, Safi Valle, Ibis, Wyndham, Sheraton Ambssador, Sheraton Four Points, Quinta Real, Radisson Ancira, the HoJo, Safi Centro, Fiesta Inn Centro, Fiesta Inn Fidel Velazquez, Hampton Inn Galerias, Hamtpon Inn Aeropuerto, Hampton Inn San Nicolas?

I really mean it. ALL HOTELS?

CB says: Stay at hotels that are locally owned. You may not get internet access, but you won't get hassled if you bring girls in.

MD says: Locally owned hotels? Can we get the names of said "locally owned" hotels in Monterrey? Again, after reading that you have an apartment and you only stay in locally owned hotels. How can we trust your word that ALL hotels af girl friendly?

By the way, let me help you out. Safi hotels are localy owned, they have a 4 star and a grand tourism at the Colonia del Valle district AND offer internet acces AND do not allow any visitors to their rooms.

CB says: Anyway, establishing connections is the key. I've even had situations where Girl A has recommended Girls B and see to me

MD: Oh boy! Such a liar. Has any monger seen the instance of ho A recomending ho B so the customer can spend his money on B instead of on A? Not to mention add ho see to the equation?

CB says; "If you're in town for a short time and/or won't be back frequently, do yourself a favor and hit the high-end MPs where you will find gorgeous girls for a price comparable to what you'd spend at the strip clubs while finding someone to take home. Day appointments are a huge plus for me since I enjoy hitting the legit anthros later on for amateur talent. "

MD says: If someone's here for a short time. They won't have the time, nor time enough to hit the high en MP's. They are here for work, remember? They don't have an apartment to bring the girls home. If they are here for mongering and the monger asks me about the high end MPs, I will gladly point out to him Versace, Misses, Regias, Romanos, though I recomend Extravaganza as a good option.

. And the coup de gras (this is the good one)

CB says: I now have about 8-10 top flight girls to turn to and about a half dozen more in reserve.

MD says: My, you have the market cornered. At least 20 girls in your pocket. Like I said, you must be Howard Hughes, cause it takes a LOT OF MONEY, not to mention time, tons and tons of available time to have, let us not say 20, nor 10. 5 girls in your pocket.

Naw. The more I read, the less I believe.[/QUOTE]

Well, I can only offer to be nice...beyond that you reveal the true nature of your intentions by the content of your comments.

Your comments reveal to me that you know nothing of Monterrey, and you're commenting with generalities.

[QUOTE=Chester Boy]I can assure you that I have no desire to get to know you two nor do I have any desire to read your self-important pap. When I first found this site and signed up, I went back and read up on what was going on in my neck of the woods. I went back nearly 30 pages and didn't find one really useful mongering report from either of you, just a lot of small talk and inside banter.

All the useful info came from others. Someone shouldn't have to meet with you personally to get info. That defeats the whole purpose of an online forum. Don't you guys see that?

Monterreydude, I was poking fun at you and your persistent denial of any dangers in Monterrey, not at the damages and tragedies caused by the hurricane. So, spare me the self-righteous act. What you're doing is the same as what you accuse me of: Downplaying a real danger just to push forward a personal agenda.

Anyway, here's the deal:

If you visit often or if you'll be here an extended period of time, you WILL have to risk yourself a bit at the clubs and/or low end MPs. The idea, though, is to quickly establish a core group of girls and work on them to establish a certain level of trust. Escorts are hit and miss. Some are real finds, most are flakes who can't be relied on for "off the clock" appointments.

Once you're in, you'll have access to a group of girls who will be willing to service you at your place of residence or at the hotel of your choosing. By the way, I've never had any problem bringing girls to any hotel I've ever stayed at in Monterrey. It's been reported here that some hotels are not girl-friendly, but that hasn't been the case for me here or in any other Mexican city I've visited. I have my apartment now, but I still prefer to do business in a hotel. Maybe I'm the exception rather than the rule, but you will only get hassled if you want to stay at the chain hotels or American imports. Stay at hotels that are locally owned. You may not get internet access, but you won't get hassled if you bring girls in.

Anyway, establishing connections is the key. I've even had situations where Girl A has recommended Girls B and C to me. I never go to the strip clubs anymore and I wouldn't even consider visiting those clip joints unless my private stash completely ran dry. I now have about 8-10 top flight girls to turn to and about a half dozen more in reserve. It took me a few months to get there and I had to spend some money, but now things are cheap and easy for me. And, best of all, no semen-stained walls and disease-infested toilets. And no rubbing elbows with cartel thugs.

If you're in town for a short time and/or won't be back frequently, do yourself a favor and hit the high-end MPs where you will find gorgeous girls for a price comparable to what you'd spend at the strip clubs while finding someone to take home. Day appointments are a huge plus for me since I enjoy hitting the legit anthros later on for amateur talent. As for specifics, I'll leave it to you to do a search through this forum. I want you to see for yourself how muddled Monterreydude and Unspongebob have made the board for all those looking for info other than stuff about El Infinito. The fact of the matter is that I rarely even go to MPs anymore, either. I just dip into my stash. Misses is king IMO and it's in a nice neighborhood with plenty of taxi service available. You can take money out from the Banamex ATM about a half block down, just so you're not walking around with a couple of grand in your wallet.

Again, tastes vary, but I always preferred a relaxed, safe, clean atmosphere where you could actually talk to the girls.

Now, I'll just sit back and wait to be shouted down and attacked again for daring to have a differing opinion.[/QUOTE]

Ok, prove it...

CB: It's been reported here that some hotels are not girl-friendly, but that hasn't been the case for me here or in any other Mexican city I've visited.

Ok, name the girl friendly hotels in Monterrey. I know them, do you?

CB: Hit the high-end MPs where you will find gorgeous girls for a price comparable to what you'd spend at the strip clubs while finding someone to take home.

I routinely find girls in the strip clubs for less than three privados, $150 pesos, no drinks, and they will stay four hours. Cost is $1700 pesos. Name the high end MP where you an spend 4 hours with a girl for a total cost of $1,850 pesos. Misses? Hahhhh, fat chance...

CB: Now, I'll just sit back and wait to be shouted down and attacked again for daring to have a differing opinion.

No, just PROVE IT!!!

[QUOTE=Unspongebob]Ok, prove it...

CB: It's been reported here that some hotels are not girl-friendly, but that hasn't been the case for me here or in any other Mexican city I've visited.

Ok, name the girl friendly hotels in Monterrey. I know them, do you?

CB: Hit the high-end MPs where you will find gorgeous girls for a price comparable to what you'd spend at the strip clubs while finding someone to take home.

I routinely find girls in the strip clubs for less than three privados, $150 pesos, no drinks, and they will stay four hours. Cost is $1700 pesos. Name the high end MP where you an spend 4 hours with a girl for a total cost of $1,850 pesos. Misses? Hahhhh, fat chance...

CB: Now, I'll just sit back and wait to be shouted down and attacked again for daring to have a differing opinion.

No, just PROVE IT!!![/QUOTE]I could say the same thing to you. Prove it! I haven't read any specific details from you at all. Nothing. Maybe the only Monterrey you know is the one Monterreydude walks you through.

EVERY hotel I've been to has allowed me to bring girls up. I wasn't even aware that this was an issue until I started reading about it here.

Next, How much time have you invested into making the scene at the club? I assume years. If someone is coming as a complete newbie, it is logical to assume that he will have to invest some decent change into finding the right girl to take out. That involves drinks, privados and the constant pestering for hand-outs from staff and/or girls. Let's not even mention the time invested.

For less money and way less time/hassle, you can go to a clean place, pick out the stunner of your choice and in an hour's time, be done and on your way.

Some people like the grimy club scene and it all boils down to personal preference. I don't mind spending the money as long as I can cut down on the time and hassle.

Over time, of course, things get more economical as you learn how to play the game and make a name for yourself. A few months ago I took a real stunner to Costa Rica on a semi-business trip. Price came out to less than 400 pesos an hour, total. And this is A+ material. When I was a newbie or if I just had a limited amount of time in town, this would not have been possible.

Please go back and review where this became a pissing match. I never took you guys on, I just was stating my opinion, belief and preference. If you like what you like and believe what you believe, fine. Just don't attack others for not sharing your ideas.

Leave this be. It's pointless to the purpose of this forum. Instead, post some helpful tips instead of making people beg for it personally. Resist the urge to answer this.

Let it go.

You still haven't said a thing other than to accuse me, and us, of jumping all over you because of your desire to falsely characterize the bars as dangerous. I am not interested in jumping all over you, but I am interested in accurately characterizing things as they truly are.

If I permit you to spread your false opinions about the bars being so dangerous, and your advocating that all should completely avoid them, rather than to simply express your opinion of why you like escorts, then others that are contemplating coming to Monterrey, primarily for the bar scene, will be put off. That's simply not what this forum is about either, advocating for one venue over another by making false and misleading statements. Certainly, not everything you posted about the bar scene is false or misleading. But, much of what you said was false and misleading.

Nobody takes issue that some of the bars are shit holes, or that some of the bars can cost a lot of money if you don't know what you're doing. But, on the other hand, not all people care how much they cost. I have seen numerous Gringos drop hundreds upon hundreds of dollars in the high end bars, and think nothing of it. That's their preferred activity...they want to...they like it. It is not my cup of tea, but I don't bash them for doing it, other than to warn that it will be expensive.

But you, you want all mongers to come to Monterrey amidst the dangers you say exist, dangers that are higher than they were several years ago, and to spend all there time with escorts. Some of them don't want escorts...some believe them to be expensive for the amount of time spent, and they don't like buying a pig in a poke without first interviewing the pig thoroughly, which they are ONLY able to do within the bar scene.

I don't bash anyone that likes the MP or the escort scene. I don't discourage them from going to those venues by scaring them off of another venue. If I like one venue over another, then I explain why. But, I don't falsely lead them to one venue over another by scaring them away from the other venue. Why would anyone do that??? Well, some have ulterior self serving motives. Maybe you don't, but rest assured, some do.

Regarding some detailed postings, I started out many years ago revealing intimate details about my own exploits in Monterrey. But, unfortunately, I found out very quickly that to reveal too much in the forum is dangerous to my own satisfaction in the hobby, primarily because there are a few people out there, similar to yourself seemingly, that take not only a delight in disagreeing with our points of view on some issues within the forum, but they diabolically enjoy taking these small disagreements even further by sabotaging our own enjoyment of the hobby on the ground. That's why we generally limit ourselves to logistical assistance, and/or sometimes more detailed intimate specifics within the PM system.

That is one reason I invited you to a meeting, first to establish you are not one of these nut cases commenting in sheep's clothing, and second to demonstrate that I have no animosity toward you. Frankly, I would rather turn this from a contentious meeting on-line into a better understanding of one another off-line. I find that often there are misunderstandings of personalities on-line, and on-line personalities sometimes clash. Often, once people meet off line, it reveals the true content of their character, personalities, and intentions, and on-line relationships are enhanced, as it should be. But, I was mocked by you in that endeavor. Fine, so be it then.

Some of these people that post on ISG, and other sites, often act as though they are off their meds, and a percentage of them should likely be under the confined care of a psychiatrist, or in a secure mental hospital. That's why we prefer to handle inquiries directly through PMs, rather than to post information here that is too detailed for the crazies to see.

Those that have come to Monterrey for the last ten years know us through our personal advice to them, they know the content of our character, and the validity of our advice. To put it bluntly, we don't shit in our own nest by commenting too publicly within the forum about anything other than logistical advise, and personal opinions.

I have no desire to continue this conversation, and I will fade totally away, but ONLY if you let it go. But, you keep bringing it up, characterizing things inaccurately. It isn't about a disagreement in preferences. You are characterizing things inaccurately with the same vigor that someone might have that has self serving ulterior motives.

Regarding this disagreement, we let it drop once. Now it's your turn. Follow your own advice, and resist the urge to answer this if you want things to cease. But, as long as you continue spreading more than just an expression of your preferences, with an apparent desire to discredit one venue over another, for whatever ulterior motives may or may not exist with you, we will be here to set the record straight.

[QUOTE=Chester Boy]I could say the same thing to you. Prove it! I haven't read any specific details from you at all. Nothing. Maybe the only Monterrey you know is the one Monterreydude walks you through.

EVERY hotel I've been to has allowed me to bring girls up. I wasn't even aware that this was an issue until I started reading about it here.

Next, How much time have you invested into making the scene at the club? I assume years. If someone is coming as a complete newbie, it is logical to assume that he will have to invest some decent change into finding the right girl to take out. That involves drinks, privados and the constant pestering for hand-outs from staff and/or girls. Let's not even mention the time invested.

For less money and way less time/hassle, you can go to a clean place, pick out the stunner of your choice and in an hour's time, be done and on your way.

Some people like the grimy club scene and it all boils down to personal preference. I don't mind spending the money as long as I can cut down on the time and hassle.

Over time, of course, things get more economical as you learn how to play the game and make a name for yourself. A few months ago I took a real stunner to Costa Rica on a semi-business trip. Price came out to less than 400 pesos an hour, total. And this is A+ material. When I was a newbie or if I just had a limited amount of time in town, this would not have been possible.

Please go back and review where this became a pissing match. I never took you guys on, I just was stating my opinion, belief and preference. If you like what you like and believe what you believe, fine. Just don't attack others for not sharing your ideas.

Leave this be. It's pointless to the purpose of this forum. Instead, post some helpful tips instead of making people beg for it personally. Resist the urge to answer this.

Let it go.[/QUOTE]

Am not letting it go.

Chester Boy is a mythomaniac. He's just cooking up whales of tales, going around the subject, never focusing on a subject, never elaborating into specifics.
Time and time, post after post he could have given us a small example of what he knows of the city, but again and again he evades specifics.

Not even a hotel name has popped from his fingers and keyboard.
Or a SC.

He's so enthraled in his myths that he even forgot that he said that he has lived in Monterrey for the past 6 years.

Six years... you could give us a small example of what Alex did to Monterrey... not even that.

I mean, for a guy that lives in Monterrey in an apartment, he knows ALL the hotels in town.
Why should that be? He doesn't know them by name at all.

Just keep it coming Chester.




[QUOTE=Chester Boy]I could say the same thing to you. Prove it! I haven't read any specific details from you at all. Nothing. Maybe the only Monterrey you know is the one Monterreydude walks you through.

EVERY hotel I've been to has allowed me to bring girls up. I wasn't even aware that this was an issue until I started reading about it here.

Next, How much time have you invested into making the scene at the club? I assume years. If someone is coming as a complete newbie, it is logical to assume that he will have to invest some decent change into finding the right girl to take out. That involves drinks, privados and the constant pestering for hand-outs from staff and/or girls. Let's not even mention the time invested.

For less money and way less time/hassle, you can go to a clean place, pick out the stunner of your choice and in an hour's time, be done and on your way.

Some people like the grimy club scene and it all boils down to personal preference. I don't mind spending the money as long as I can cut down on the time and hassle.

Over time, of course, things get more economical as you learn how to play the game and make a name for yourself. A few months ago I took a real stunner to Costa Rica on a semi-business trip. Price came out to less than 400 pesos an hour, total. And this is A+ material. When I was a newbie or if I just had a limited amount of time in town, this would not have been possible.

Please go back and review where this became a pissing match. I never took you guys on, I just was stating my opinion, belief and preference. If you like what you like and believe what you believe, fine. Just don't attack others for not sharing your ideas.

Leave this be. It's pointless to the purpose of this forum. Instead, post some helpful tips instead of making people beg for it personally. Resist the urge to answer this.

Let it go.[/QUOTE]

I'm new here and I'm wondering if there's even an active moderator on this board because Monterreydude and Unspongebob have totally hijacked this thread. They've been allowed to ramble on for years and now truly believe that this is THEIR thread. Monterrey is a huge city, it's amazing that there's so little action on the Monterrey board. The reason for this, of course, is that two members have hijacked the thread and have created an atmosphere where THEY set the agendas and shout down all opposing viewpoints. They've also established the idea (ON A PUBLIC FORUM!) that any specific info must be acquired personally from them! Ridiculous, especially since the most needy of members are the newest ones and would be required to purchase a membership in order to use the PM system.

Look in other sections of the ISG and you will see a brotherhood of mongers, all sharing info openly and freely with the veteran mongers, especially, adding to the database of shared info. None say, "I refuse to share info, contact me personally." Really, that defeats the purpose of the ISG.

But let's make a deal: If you guys start dealing in specifics and helping at a level proportionate to your "expertise," then I will join in as well. I will even provide phone numbers, names and other inside tidbits. But, you guys go first. Share with the class or shut up and/or admit that you probably don't really know all that much other than Monterreydude's personal agenda, which hustles gringos into a specific club and hotels.

Unspongebob: What, pray tell, is a "False Opinion?" LOL. Stop working so hard to satisfy your master and realize that you've been shaped according to Monterrydude's whims.

And as far as "letting it go:" I had let it go and even expressed my intention of leaving the forum. I was gone for several days and, still, the attacks continued. What am I supposed to do when some fool attacks you with lies and words he put in your mouth and says that you know nothing, don't even live in Monterrey or that you're some sort of spy for another establishment?

The fact of the matter is that two members have been allowed to hijack the thread and anything not focused on stroking their egos is quickly done away with and the few real reports with real info on them are quickly buried in a mass of personal messages back and forth between the two and inside references that only mean something between the same pair.

Everything that I've said is 100% true. Please tell me where I am wrong:

Are the clubs owned by the cartels? Yes!
Are the clubs frequented by the cartels? Yes!
Have there been shooting and other altercations at the clubs previously? Yes!
Should we have access to any info involving our safety in Monterrey? Yes!

Those were me points and the rest is just my personal preference for not dealing with the strip club scene when there are many reasonable alternatives available.

The truth is that going to the Oxxo for a Coke is NOT as dangerous as walking into El Infinito, as Unspongebob has tried to indicate. And the type of blatant, guerrilla-style violence and extortion does NOT compare to gang violence in the poorest sections of Chicago. No, Unspongebob, the chance of violence at the low-end strip clubs is not 0/0 as you have written.

Hell, Monterrydude is even in full denial that there is ANY violence. LOL

All of this is a real disservice to the monger and, frankly, it's irresponsible on the part of the two thread hijackers.

Everybody coming to Monterrey should know that the city is alive and that there are plenty of girls available and that, if you play smart, you should be safe. But, be aware of where you enter. And if you can avoid contact with these cartel scumbags, then please do so. That's why I would recommend the high-end MPs over the clubs at this point, especially for those only coming to town for short and/or infrequent visits.

Why put yourself out there and run any risk at all? And, yes, don't be stupid...of course there's risk whenever you drink alongside cartel enforcers and extortionists for hours at a time.

But, let's end this on a positive note:

I'm looking forward to the NEW Monterrey Board here at ISG. I hope my fellow Monterrey mongers, Monterreydude and Unspongebob agree with me and turn this thread around. More info, updated info from us locals, and specifics! I will gladly and harmoniously put this dispute in the past and contribute with pleasure as our thread leaders pave the way with their new focus on providing real, quality info without making members beg for it or requiring them to purchase a 20 dollar membership in order to use the PM service.

No more inside jokes or references and plenty of pricing info, club, MP and escort info! This will be great! I'm really looking forward to it and having it resemble many of the other threads on the ISG where the experts band together to guide newbies and help them in the open forum. I can't wait. In no time at all, this board will spring back to life and truly represent a very nice mongering scene here in Monterrey. Let's turn this negative into a positive!

Monterreydude, Unspongebob...the ball is in your court.

[QUOTE=Chester Boy]
I'm looking forward to the NEW Monterrey Board here at ISG. I hope my fellow Monterrey mongers, Monterreydude and Unspongebob agree with me and turn this thread around. More info, updated info from us locals, and specifics!
[/QUOTE]

OK, start it. Give us some specifics.

Monterreydude and Unspongebob, both with 1000+ posts, and were supposed to believe what you post? Specifics, they have done that, over and over.
Your turn.

Come on now, no generalizations, specifics.

[QUOTE=Bbond]OK, start it. Give us some specifics.

Monterreydude and Unspongebob, both with 1000+ posts, and were supposed to believe what you post? Specifics, they have done that, over and over.
Your turn.

Come on now, no generalizations, specifics.[/QUOTE]Come on now, you don't actually buy into this conspiracy theory, do you? That I'm some sort of spy who has bothered to waste precious minutes of his time in trying to somehow undermine Monterreydude's and Unspongebob's authority on some anonymous internet message board. LOL. How silly.

The only reason that I even registered for an account is because of the way this one guy was attacked for even mentioning something what he heard regarding safety.

I never came in to help anyone with their mongering in the specific sense, but I will gladly do so if my compatriots step up first. After all, they attacked me first and questioned my motives and credibility first. Fair is fair, right?

As for their posts with "specifics," how many years ago was that? I'm about 35 pages back and have yet to see anything that could really be useful to someone about to come to town.

The difference between me and you guys is that I don't care about being king of this hill. If I don't ever give specifics about what I like and do, it doesn't really matter because I'm not presenting myself as some sort of expert and I'm not living on this board like you guys.

As for having 1000+ posts...well, excuse me for committing the horrible sin of just discovering the ISG a few weeks ago. They may have a 1000+ posts, but how many of those are just pointless banter and inside jokes?

And what was I asking them to believe? That Monterrey is dangerous and that people should exercise caution? Any moron with a TV, newspaper or computer could figure that one out...except for these two, of course. Every single person that I know here is preoccupied with the organized crime in the city. So, spare me the denial...This ain't Disneyland.

And why the attacks? I had never attacked or even addressed either one of them once.

But I'll be damned if I'm going to sit back and keep quiet when they intentionally mislead people with idiotic statements like that there's a 0/0 chance of violence at the low-end clubs or that going there is about as dangerous as walking to the Oxxo. That's just irresponsible talk.

Listen, I don't have to prove myself to anyone and I refuse to be personally put on trial for merely stating that people should be free to post information regarding possible safety issues on this board.

If you are against the free exchange of information on this board, then just ignore the stuff you don't want to hear. There's no need to attack me and I certainly don't feel the need to prove myself to any of you. Grow up, guys...This is an internet message board about hookers. There's no need for Monterreydude and his pet dog to fly into a rage because I dare to say that Monterrey can be dangerous.

But, again, I will gladly bury the hatchet and pitch in to give this thread a much more user-friendly atmosphere...and, yeah, I totally expect to be attacked by other sycophants with Stockholm Syndrome (look it up). It doesn't phase me.

Please step forward, guys. Let's kick this off ASAP. I'm seriously looking forward to it.

CB: The reason for this, of course, is that two members have hijacked the thread and have created an atmosphere where THEY set the agendas and shout down all opposing viewpoints. They've also established the idea (ON A PUBLIC FORUM!) that any specific info must be acquired personally from them! Ridiculous, especially since the most needy of members are the newest ones and would be required to purchase a membership in order to use the PM system.

First of all, unless there is a troll to entertain me, such as yourself, I am typically virtually silent, sometimes for weeks at a time. Anyone that wants to post their legitimate activities is perfectly welcome, and they will hear no contrary comments from me.

Case in point, we have several mongers on here that do enjoy the escorts. They post regularly about their experiences, in detail, and they receive absolutely no comments from me. I am not into the escorts, but I appreciate their contributions. You just never know when I might flip to the other side, and partake in one of them sometime. But, the point is, they comment totally without comments from us. They are free to comment, and they feel no restrictions in doing so. There is so much dead space on this forum that anyone charging that we are somehow interfering with the free posting of comments is totally and completely ludicrous.

CB:Look in other sections of the ISG and you will see a brotherhood of mongers, all sharing info openly and freely with the veteran mongers, especially, adding to the database of shared info. None say, "I refuse to share info, contact me personally." Really, that defeats the purpose of the ISG.

As I mentioned before, we do share information, but only after the ones we are sharing the information with have been totally and completely vetted. There are simply too many that take delight in ruining our personal circumstances on the ground in Monterrey, some innocently with their own stupid behavior once on the ground in Monterrey, and some on purpose. If you were in our shoes, and had you been truly mongering for any length of time, you should understand that such logic is perfectly reasonable given the mental state of some that choose to comment here, or lurk behind false screen names.

CB: But let's make a deal: If you guys start dealing in specifics and helping at a level proportionate to your "expertise," then I will join in as well. I will even provide phone numbers, names and other inside tidbits. But, you guys go first. Share with the class or shut up and/or admit that you probably don't really know all that much other than Monterreydude's personal agenda, which hustles gringos into a specific club and hotels.

No deal, for the reasons I indicated before. It simply is not worth it to us to engage in revealing anything beyond logistics or generalized personal recommendations.

And, regarding Monterreydude. I met him about 11 years ago. I did not know him from anyone other than to read his postings on ISG. I was initially reluctant to meet directly with him because I did not know where he was coming from. I was just not sure that I wanted to meet with someone that I had met on-line. Your suspicions are understandable, and they're natural to have. But, ultimately, natural and normal suspicions are simply not true with respect to Monterreydude.

I certainly did find his advise to be very helpful, and especially his map of the city, which by the way, details all the strip clubs, MPs, Hotels, and the Casas in Monterrey, with no particular favor being made obvious on his maps, a further testament to his lack of bias in being of assistance regardless of one's perferences. That map, by far, demonstrates Monterreydude has no agenda with respect to hustling anybody anywhere. I found out after meeting with him, probably several months after coming to Monterrey initially, that he is totally and completely legit, and that he had no agenda to take me anywhere in particular. He does favor, personally, the clubs, but not because he has any particular agenda or self serving motivation other than to socialize within our hobby. He doesn't favor the high end bars, for the normal reasons...they are too expensive for what you get. I found out he is not quite as cheap about it as I am, frankly.

Dare I say, club guys are much more sociable, and enjoy the comradery of other mongers. The bar scene is the venue where the comradery is available. That is the one and only reason he makes that effort at all, not for any self serving monetary advantage. I would not expect you to understand. You don't care about the comradery between mongers. That is not a slam to what you prefer with respect to mongering, but it just demonstrates that your evolution in the hobby is such that you do not apparently appreciate the satisfaction of attending the clubs beyond just the obvious.

CB: Unspongebob: What, pray tell, is a "False Opinion?" LOL. Stop working so hard to satisfy your master and realize that you've been shaped according to Monterrydude's whims.

False opinion is when someone has a particular opinion with no experience to back it up. You yourself admit that you do not go to the bars. How can you have a legitimately earned opinion if you don't go to the bars?

Your accusations are getting old with respect to the argument that I am somehow attempting to placate Monterreydude. If you read our banter on this website alone relative our frequent disagreements, you'll see that my opinions are totally my own. Ask Monterreydude directly if you want to. We disagree ALL THE TIME!!! :-) And, on substantive mongering theory...

CB:And as far as "letting it go:" I had let it go and even expressed my intention of leaving the forum. I was gone for several days and, still, the attacks continued. What am I supposed to do when some fool attacks you with lies and words he put in your mouth and says that you know nothing, don't even live in Monterrey or that you're some sort of spy for another establishment?

Your desire to continue the rhetoric is what perpetuates the disagreement. And, I did not accuse you of anything with respect to being a spy. I just said that your behavior is characteristic of a troll or a spy. You still have not revealed details that would suggest you know anything whatsoever about the city. I don't have to prove to you, or anyone else, the level of my legitimacy with respect to my experience on the ground in Monterrey. To any that lurk here or know me, the suggestion that we know nothing is laughable. First of all, to most that have followed this thread over the last ten years, calling either of us uninformed about Monterrey is ridiculous. But, you have your opinion. It really doesn't matter to me if you think we are informed or not. Those that have met us know we are for real.

CB:The fact of the matter is that two members have been allowed to hijack the thread and anything not focused on stroking their egos is quickly done away with and the few real reports with real info on them are quickly buried in a mass of personal messages back and forth between the two and inside references that only mean something between the same pair.

We often banter back and forth, and sometimes have messages that are meaningless. I know, that is kind of useless, and I apologize. But, the reality is, nobody is posting anything here, sometimes for weeks on end. How does occasional banter back and forth stop you from posting...It does not. But, as I said before, you will often see that some do post regularly about their escort experiences, and you will not see any interference or comments regarding their legitimate and honestly written reports. We only comment when we see glaring and ridiculous comments that are inconsistent with what we know is true or false in our own personal experience.

CB:Are the clubs owned by the cartels?

Well, I know several of the club owners personally. If you attend the clubs for many years, they recognize you, and they will come over, shake your hand, and acknowledge you as their loyal patron. Who can say whom is and is not directly related to "the cartels," or organized, or unorganized criminal syndicates. That's not something I ask them...."Hey, buddy, whom did you kill today?" :-)

But, honestly, it seems to me that the profitability of the bars is not really something that "the cartels" would be particularly interested in when you consider the profitability of drugs.

I mean, if you were more exposed to the bars, which you say you are not, you would see the constant effort required to keep some of them open, and some of them profitable. The owners are constantly changing the way they go to market due to losses. Are the bars an outlet for drugs sales, certainly, but not necessarily on an organized basis. The lower level independent drug dealers just find their market there, just like in many, many bars in the USA.

CB:Are the clubs frequented by the cartels?

The clubs are frequented by Cartel members. Mostly, the Cartel members are in attendance for the same reasons we are, to see the girls, period. And, often, once they have found a girl there, they are relatively disinterested in the bar scene, and maintain their harems of girls apart from the bars. Frankly, the upper level members have money, and simply do not need the bar scene...of that you can be 1000% certain. What you see in the bars in the lowest of the low. Were you to categorize them as Cartel members, that's fine, but they are stooges for the most part, many of them want-to-be's, and/or underlings with little or no influence within their criminal organizations. But, the REAL vast majority in attendance are the working class, no meaningful connection to the Cartels or organized crime. Just plain old working class guys blowing off a little steam. That's it...

CB: Have there been shooting and other altercations at the clubs previously? Yes!

Shootings? The Givenchy murders were with knives. And, by the way, it isn't completely uncharacteristic for their to be violence in bars once in a while. It happens quite frequently in the USA, and the incidents of it occurring in the bars of Monterrey are no more frequent than any other major city in the USA, hence my analogy to Chicago. Shall we find the crime and violence statistic in the bars of Chicago for you, or are you willing to accept that conclusion?

Should we have access to any info involving our safety in Monterrey? Yes!

Yes we should...but you haven't provided any. You can scream the sky is falling all day long, but you've provided no specifics. You have no direct experiences to relate other than what you've been reading. Lets be honest, had you any direct experience in the bars you would have revealed it, we would have checked it out, an either confirmed or denied it. If you want to post specifics about your MP girls or names and phone numbers of specific escorts you've know, please proceed. I advise you against doing so to preserve your own circumstances with them. But, you're the one advocating specifics, right? But, I see nothing from you with respect to specifics. You're the one advocating specifics, I'm the one refusing to provide specifics for the reasons I've already outlined. Why, if you truly advocate specifics be posted, haven't you revealed the details of your own experiences? You are quick to ridicule us for posting non-specifics, we have given you valid reasons why we choose not to, and you persist in criticizing us when you have posted nothing with respect to specifics. You're the advocate of specifics...If you truly believe your own rhetoric why haven't you posted with specifics?

CB: Those were me points and the rest is just my personal preference for not dealing with the strip club scene when there are many reasonable alternatives available.

There are many alternatives available, and nobody has chastised your preferences.

CB: The truth is that going to the Oxxo for a Coke is NOT as dangerous as walking into El Infinito, as Unspongebob has tried to indicate. And the type of blatant, guerrilla-style violence and extortion does NOT compare to gang violence in the poorest sections of Chicago. No, Unspongebob, the chance of violence at the low-end strip clubs is not 0/0 as you have written.

I wrote that the statistical evidence is that the chance of violence is 0/0. And, I dare say, the level of violence and "shootings" in or near El Oxxos are higher, statistically, than in the bars. I can also find those statistics if need be, but I suspect any thinking individual will reason that the incidents within El Oxxo is higher than in the bars. The Cartels are not confined to the bars. They are everywhere, and they are in and out, often, of El Oxxo. If you truly lived in Monterrey, and ventured out of your apartment with any frequency, you would have noticed the Cartel members in El Oxxo. Violence and danger are everywhere, but it's not mutually exclusive to Monterrey, the bars, or uncharacteristic of the USA. You are correct regarding the guerrilla violence. But, you're wrong about extortion and the activities of organized crime in a city like Chicago. The organized crime syndicates in the US are just more intelligent than the cartel members in Monterrey. Plus, organized crime in the US is more sophisticated, realizing that to involve the general public with such notoriety is very detrimental to their business. So, they are much more subtle. But, rest assured, they control Chicago. Regarding the gang violence, there is a huge number of gang related killings in Phoenix, Chicago, New York, LA, and many US Cities much smaller than Monterrey in size...the violence is not as dramatic as in Mexico at times, and the violence occurring is not as sensationalized by the US media at times, but the US gang members, and innocent bystanders in drive-bys are still just as dead.

CB: Everybody coming to Monterrey should know that the city is alive and that there are plenty of girls available and that, if you play smart, you should be safe. But, be aware of where you enter. And if you can avoid contact with these cartel scumbags, then please do so. That's why I would recommend the high-end MPs over the clubs at this point, especially for those only coming to town for short and/or infrequent visits.

No argument that you are entitled to your opinion about the high end MPs, or that they offer some nice girls. But, I take issue with respect to cost versus time spent. But, I must admit, a lot of guys don't want the girls to hang around 4-6 hours with them. They prefer that the door hit them on the ass 45 minutes later. That's fine, no argument from me with respect to individual preferences. But, I am free to express my preferences too. For the same price, or slightly less, I prefer to enjoy the totality of their charm for as long as possible for the price, and not just screw them and run. To each his own...

CB: Why put yourself out there and run any risk at all? And, yes, don't be stupid...of course there's risk whenever you drink alongside cartel enforcers and extortionists for hours at a time.

None of us spends hours at a time. We frequently hit and run. Frankly, I am just too bored to sit hours on end. Plus, I am there for one reason, and I am relatively swift at finding and getting what I want. The entire agenda for me with respect to the clubs is to find them and take them out of the bars. I am not adverse to socialization, and often enjoy the bar scene for that, but I am not probably quite as fond of it as some who attend the bars. Monterreydude typically enjoys the socialization of the bars more than I do. But, he is a local, with fluent language skills. He has many friends that socialize in the bars. For him, it is natural to enjoy the bar scene. But, he also has other motivating factors at home that restrict salida activity compared to my level of salida activiy, making his antics more often confined to the bar environment than on salida.

CB: I'm really looking forward to it and having it resemble many of the other threads on the ISG where the experts band together to guide newbies and help them in the open forum. I can't wait. In no time at all, this board will spring back to life and truly represent a very nice mongering scene here in Monterrey.

No, we will NOT be contributing specifics openly in the forum, other than logistical help and opinions. And, we will be commenting freely, without restraint on whatever subject we choose, provided it relates to mongering. We will follow forum rules of course.

You are perfectly free to comment as you please. I invite you to post anything specific without intervention. But, if you post opinion, you will be met with polite opinion...that's only fair right?

If you post personal experiences, then we have nothing to dispute provided your experiences seem honest. But, if your postings are inconsistent with other "facts" about Monterrey, things we know directly to be untrue, then we will likely believe your post to be BS. In that event, we will likely post our opinion that your post seems inconsistent with the facts on the ground in Monterrey, we will reveal why we feel that way, and you can support the part of your post that we believe is inconsistent by providing specifics, and we can start this all over again...Fair enough?

Since you're new to the board Chester Boy, perhaps you're unaware of the "ignore user" feature of the forum software (click on User CP on the links just below InterenationalSexGuide -> Mexico -> North Mexico -> Monterrey... then along the left side you'll see buddy/ignore list). If you don't like what MonterreyDude or USB say, then ignore them. You won't be the first and they won't take it personally. I've found their posts very helpful over the years and have met MonterreyDude in person several times now. He's a stand up guy and an asset to ISG. But that's just me.

Although you're quick to criticize the signal to noise ratio of this board, 100% of of your posts have been criticisms of two people in particular. How is that improving the level of discourse? Rather than getting schoolboy arguments longtime members you [b]could lead by example[/b] and submit reports yourself. You could write the definitive guide to Monterrey if you wanted to. But instead you criticize other people's posts and come across as an internet tough guy.

Comparing the Monterrey section to the rest of ISG isn't helpful either. Monterrey is different than other cities in Mexico and around the world. It is less of a destination monger city than others so there's not a lot of tourists coming in with trip reports like you see in TJ, BKK, etc. There's not a lot of trip reports because many of the regulars like MonterreyDude and USB go to the same bars and have regulars and so will add commentary when necessary or answer new people's questions.

[QUOTE=Chester Boy]There's no need for Monterreydude and his pet dog to fly into a rage because I dare to say that Monterrey can be dangerous[/QUOTE]

Actually, you have it the other way around.

Monterreydude is my pet dog. :-)))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))

Woof Woof Woof Woof Woof Woof Woof Woof Woof Woof Woof Woof Woof Woff, Here boy, here boy, here boy, here Chester, here Chester, here Chester...

I think I'll turn into a troll too...Bring it on baby! :-)

[QUOTE=Super Gato]Since you're new to the board Chester Boy, perhaps you're unaware of the "ignore user" feature of the forum software (click on User CP on the links just below InterenationalSexGuide -> Mexico -> North Mexico -> Monterrey... then along the left side you'll see buddy/ignore list). If you don't like what MonterreyDude or USB say, then ignore them. You won't be the first and they won't take it personally. I've found their posts very helpful over the years and have met MonterreyDude in person several times now. He's a stand up guy and an asset to ISG. But that's just me.

Although you're quick to criticize the signal to noise ratio of this board, 100% of of your posts have been criticisms of two people in particular. How is that improving the level of discourse? Rather than getting schoolboy arguments longtime members you [b]could lead by example[/b] and submit reports yourself. You could write the definitive guide to Monterrey if you wanted to. But instead you criticize other people's posts and come across as an internet tough guy.

Comparing the Monterrey section to the rest of ISG isn't helpful either. Monterrey is different than other cities in Mexico and around the world. It is less of a destination monger city than others so there's not a lot of tourists coming in with trip reports like you see in TJ, BKK, etc. There's not a lot of trip reports because many of the regulars like MonterreyDude and USB go to the same bars and have regulars and so will add commentary when necessary or answer new people's questions.[/QUOTE]Super Gato, thanks for the tip. I wasn't aware of the ignore function. I will be using it since both of these guys have (not surprisingly) refused to answer the call for a specifics-laden Monterrey board with real mongering info.

And, please, go back and read my initial post. I was merely stating that members with info concerning security issues shouldn't be insulted, shouted down and run off. As was the case when a new member tried to mention something that a chica told him. The defensive tone and attacks began AFTER Monterreydude's condescending and aggressive reply to me. Maybe in your world, you let people talk to you like that, but I refuse to put up with it. And then I even said that I'd be willing to leave if my presence caused such a stir, and STILL Monterreydude and his lady friend had to resume the attacks while I was away.

So, please spare me the garbage about me attacking them. If they had not been so aggressively condescending, this would've been over.

As far as the help given to you. I don't even know who you are. As Unspongebob is free to state that I am some sinister figure looking to destroy the good name of El Infinito, I am also free to state that you may very well be Unspongebob or Monterreydude using a bogus screen name, one drudged up whenever they need someone to defend them from people who want trip reports in a site dedicated to trip reports.

Again, I ask the cosmos, because you guys just don't seem to get it: what the hell is so wrong with asking that respect be given to members who report safety-related stories. And why is it a sin to ask that some, any, important info be shared on this thread?

You know, when you're on something like the ISG, you have to assume that many of the people checking in are doing so for the first time and have ZERO knowledge of the city. For them, simple things like pricing, level of girls available, neighborhood info, and other logistics info is invaluable. They shouldn't be forced to register an account, purchase a membership to get PM access and then contact these two guys personally where they will be directed right at El Infinito. Most of the people who actually and truly need this info will not jump through all the hoops and they will just arrive with ZERO info unless they get it elsewhere.

If these guys are the leaders of this thread, then they should act like it, update info as needed and not lord their expertise over everyone else, making them beg for it and then attacking all those who dare to challenge them.

Sorry, but even in this pretend internet world, right is right. Respect my opinions, respect me and keep the snide comments to yourself. Points can be disagreed with, but how does "You are a fool! " You know nothing! " "Your an imposter" help the discourse?

I've already offered the olive branch and the chance to turn this ship around. Both Monterreydude and Unspongebob have refused. My responses will end when the attempts to discredit and belittle me do. I was the one initially attacked or would you prefer that this be handled like if it were the Mexican legal system: The loudest voice wins?

This is done for me, I'm just waiting for these two guys to finally stop.

How can anyone blame me for not posting specifics when they've plastered the board from the very beginning with crap about me representing other businesses or having an ulterior motive in posting here? How can I win if I have to post amidst these attacks? Everything I post will be seen as proof of my "agenda. " If I say I like Misses, they say "See? He's working for them. "

Because I'm being jumped on after every post, anything I say will be filtered through their insults. So, What's the point?

That's why I offered to bury the hatchet and start posting reports if they would drop the negativity and start doing so as well. But, they refused. So, that shows you that they care more for their standing as resident "experts" than for the overall health of this thread and the financial, personal well-being of the general monger coming to Monterrey.