American Politics

[QUOTE=SubCmdr;3080730]Actually it would.

[B]Throwing good money after bad[/B] is an idiom describing the act of spending additional resources on a failing project or investment in a futile attempt to recover previous losses.

This is exactly what is currently going on in Iran. Along with sacrificing the mental health and reputation of crew members in the United States Navy on seaming endless deployments that are accomplishing very little because civilian leadership is failing them and does not have the political will do do what actually needs to be done ([I]boots on the ground[/I]).[/QUOTE]Way to disparage the accomplishments of the troops, thanks to these men and women Iran is bleeding money.

[QUOTE=ShooBree;3080641]Shouldn't you ask yourself why Kamala wasn't able to get more votes from Caucasians, Afro-Americans and Latinos in Michigan, Wisconsin and Pennsylvania?

Why couldn't Kamala win Georgia, Nevada and Arizona like Biden did in 2020 after the liberal's Covid lockdowns to create chaos in America?

President Trump won Wisconsin by winning the Caucasian vote and did better than expected among Latinos and Afro-American males. The group you're talking about didn't even matter.

Six states turned away from the Democrats, no states turned blue.

President Trump was even close to winning a bunch of blue states.

USA is a lot bigger than three states and states are not automatically a certain color.[/QUOTE]Have you ever asked yourself why Trump has never been on a presidential ticket that won the majority of the votes in three times at bat?

Why could he never do that?

Kamala Harris was on such a ticket in only two times at bat. She was on a ticket that not only won the majority of the votes but got 7 million more votes than Trump's ticket got.

You should ask yourself why Trump couldn't do that in three tries.

All totalled, with 3 million fewer votes than his female opponent the first time around, 7 million fewer votes against a woman on the ticket the second time around and only squeaking out about 2. 3 million more votes than the woman on the ticket the 3rd time around when many millions more voters turned out than in 2016, not only can Trump not win an election against a man at the top of the ticket but he is still about 7. 7 million votes behind his Demicratic Party opponents.

Have you ever asked yourself why that happened?

Have you ever asked yourself, if his MAGAs are so passionately in support of him and his Party after doing such a great job as president, why did his Party suffer so many losses and saw their Senate and House Majorities flip to the Dems in 2018 even before his disastrous 2019 decisions ushered in Trump's Pandemic?

And why since January 2017 his Party lost a disproportiately high number of Special Elections to the Dems?

And why those supposedly rabidly supportive MAGAs let him and his Party down again in 2020?

And why he could only squeak out a razor-thin win in 2024 against a mixed ethnicity female married to a Jewish man, a V. P. Of a sitting president, which has been a difficult lift for a first time presidential run for 100 years, who only had about 100 days to campaign while he had been campaigning for that 2nd term as an "incumbent" president since 12:01 pm on January 20,2017?

And why his Party lost House seats to Dems in 2024 and only gained a couple of Senate seats in Ruby Red states that probably shouldn't have had a Dem Senator anyway not to mention one of them was retiring?

Where is all this supposed support from Trump's MAGAs that apparently barely came through for him in 2016, didn't come through for him after that squeaker, didn't come through for him in 2018, didn't come through for him in 2020, barely came through for him in another squeaker in 2024 as long as we count a tiny handful of angry Muslims spread across the only three swing states that mattered to be "MAGAs", lost seats in the House for his Party even then, contributed virtually nothing to his Party in the Senate because only a couple of already Ruby Red states elected a Repub and now are showing huge, truly historic drops in support in the polls not only by the MAGAs who never really came through for him in significantly more percentages than any other Repub president and candidate but also truly historic drops in support from the typically Dem-voter demographics that only showed an interesting uptick for a moment or two in 2024 but did not come through enough for him to flip any typically Blue state to his side or award him a single "winning" Electoral College vote without that tiny handful of angry Muslims getting there first and doing all the work?

Have you ever asked yourself why that happened?

I mean, since you think Trump was such a great president, candidate and all that.

[QUOTE=ShooBree;3080706]This is a war of choice, chosen by the Iranian regime.

Trump gave them the option of a lucrative peace, but the Iranian regime turned it down.

Obama's deal was the worst deal I have ever seen and all the allies of USA became furious and couldn't understand how Obama could reward the Iran regime with a dream deal. Iran was allowed to build up their proxies and missile program and plotting on how and when to finalize their nuclear weapons. Not to mention the Iranian space program created to be able to strike US cities.

You can say what you want over what's happening, but this is caused by Obama and previous presidents which gave the Iranians time and money to build more weapons and proxies in the region.

Obama truly didn't understand the long term consequences of his gifts to the Iranian regime.

The driving force, the raison d'etre for the Iranian regime isn't money, it's their jihadi ideology..[/QUOTE]You aren't making any sense. When Obama was president the Strait of Hormuz was open 24/7. Now, the new normal is that Iran can close it whenever they feel like. This never happened before. Even more nonsensical is to send someone like Jared Kushner to "negotiate. " What kind of expertise does he have? Where does Marco Rubio the Secretary of State fit in in all of this?

This is war of choice fought behalf of Bibi Netanyahu. That feeble minded Trump fell for this scheme when Obama and Biden refused to fall for that ruse. You want worry about nukes that can be delivered to America? How come you Trump do anything about Kim Jong Un of North Korea? He goes over there and kisses his ass.

The "Iranian Regime" was never a threat to America. Now, we are stuck in conflict of Trump's making. The most reckless president we've ever had. He talks tough but had to hide in food cart with roast beef and tuna fish sandwiches!

[QUOTE=ShooBree;3080762]Way to disparage the accomplishments of the troops, thanks to these men and women Iran is bleeding money.[/QUOTE]Is English your first language? I am disparaging the Civilian Leadership. I was born with that right. Read The Constitution of the United States of America. Pay close attention to the amendment. Namely the first.

[B]Troop[/B]: A group of soldiers. Military units; soldiers.

I am not aware of any soldiers participating in on the ground fighting in Iran. Plenty of Airman and Seamen have lost their lives because their civilian leadership is incompetent.

Money means nothing. The Dis United States of America owes 40 Trillion USD of it. They don't care how much debt they have. The print it on paper. That means they just create it out of thin air. Debasing the currency me and my fellow citizens need to spend in order to feed, house and cloth ourselves.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;3080776]Have you ever asked yourself why Trump has never been on a presidential ticket that won the majority of the votes in three times at bat?

Why could he never do that?

Kamala Harris was on such a ticket in only two times at bat. She was on a ticket that not only won the majority of the votes but got 7 million more votes than Trump's ticket got.

You should ask yourself why Trump couldn't do that in three tries.

All totalled, with 3 million fewer votes than his female opponent the first time around, 7 million fewer votes against a woman on the ticket the second time around and only squeaking out about 2. 3 million more votes than the woman on the ticket the 3rd time around when many millions more voters turned out than in 2016, not only can Trump not win an election against a man at the top of the ticket but he is still about 7. 7 million votes behind his Demicratic Party opponents..[/QUOTE]Sorry, your theories are wrong. There aren't enough Muslims in America and the certain swing state for your theories to be true even in theory.

People love Trump, that's why he keeps winning even when republicans on a lower level fails to win.

They are Trump supporters. Not republicans.

Canada is right to put back tax in Trump face, a loser versus Iran and for economics. Americans pay for his mistakes and craziness.

[QUOTE=KeviKev68;3080788]You aren't making any sense. When Obama was president the Strait of Hormuz was open 24/7. Now, the new normal is that Iran can close it whenever they feel like. This never happened before. Even more nonsensical is to send someone like Jared Kushner to "negotiate. " What kind of expertise does he have? Where does Marco Rubio the Secretary of State fit in in all of this?

This is war of choice fought behalf of Bibi Netanyahu. That feeble minded Trump fell for this scheme when Obama and Biden refused to fall for that ruse. You want worry about nukes that can be delivered to America? How come you Trump do anything about Kim Jong Un of North Korea? He goes over there and kisses his ass.

The "Iranian Regime" was never a threat to America. Now, we are stuck in conflict of Trump's making. The most reckless president we've ever had. He talks tough but had to hide in food cart with roast beef and tuna fish sandwiches![/QUOTE]Well, Obama also paid billions of dollars to Iran and released hezbollah drugdealers while Iranian proxies took over Middle Eastern countries.

Obama was in practice a servant of the Iranian regime.

Everyone else in the world knows extremely well that Iran was and still is a threat against US interests and US citizens.

Or are you unaware of the Americans being imprisoned by the Iranian regime? The attacks against US soldiers? The cyber attacks against USA?

It's not a smart policy to wait to do anything until it rains Iranian missiles over US cities. I think that's what you would call too little, too late.

Or what do you think the point of the Iranian regimes nuclear program and space program is? Don't be so naive, did you even know that the Iranian regimes had a space program?

You're obsessing over Jews meanwhile turkey and Qatar are openly bribing US and EU officials, the democratic mayor Eric Adams in NYC, that's also most likely the reason why the Iranian regime wasn't finished.

I have pointed it out before that President Trump has personal financial interests in turkey, but you're too busy obsessing over Jews and unable to understand the geopolitical realities and think two steps ahead.

It seems to me that you're a headliner reader seeing anything through a lense of hate against President Trump and Jewish people.

[QUOTE=SubCmdr;3080790]Is English your first language? I am disparaging the Civilian Leadership. I was born with that right. Read The Constitution of the United States of America. Pay close attention to the amendment. Namely the first.

[B]Troop[/B]: A group of soldiers. Military units; soldiers.

I am not aware of any soldiers participating in on the ground fighting in Iran. Plenty of Airman and Seamen have lost their lives because their civilian leadership is incompetent.

Money means nothing. The Dis United States of America owes 40 Trillion USD of it. They don't care how much debt they have. The print it on paper. That means they just create it out of thin air. Debasing the currency me and my fellow citizens need to spend in order to feed, house and cloth ourselves.[/QUOTE]So you're unaware that there are American soldiers involved in this? That's hilarious.

After LA suburb, now Reno nearly burning. Keep on stupid Trump, keep on burning USA with your pollution, and soon hurricanes and tornados. USA make 20% pollution for less than 5% population. China make 30% for between 15/20% population. They kill our planet since too long, our planet will kill many of us, when we are now too numerous and making too much pollution.

The truth is no one knows how the war will turn out. There are no embedded reporters covering the story from either side. If one hates Trump there is a strong tendency to think the war is unwinnable. If one supports Trump there is the conviction that the Mullahs will cave. No one know how things will turn out!

Given the above I think one should be aware of the possible outcomes. So mainly for the lefties I post the following link with the headline: "Iran faces massive new triple-threat as Hormuz begins to open, cash gets tight and pols call to end the war". This could be good news, right? Or do you hate Trump so much that you are rooting for an IRCG victory? We live in amazing times.

[URL]https://nypost.com/2026/08/23/world-news/iran-faces-triple-threat-as-control-over-hormuz-economy-wavers/[/URL]

If you look at the official casualty lists, the majority of KIAs were in the Navy and Air Force. The Army deaths occur well outside the theater of operations and were not due to direct combat operations. Even though that is the case it is still sad. What is worse is you do not believe in what they were fighting for. The Untied States Constitution. In it have the right to be critical of civilian leadership. Review the First Amendment.

You seem to be unaware of the rights me and my fellow citizens have been given in the founding documents of the country you are a citizen in. That is sad!

[QUOTE=ShooBree;3080975]So you're unaware that there are American soldiers involved in this? That's hilarious.[/QUOTE]

The conflict in Iran, no matter how you define it will not be won without [I]boots on the ground[/I]. Never in the history of mankind has a conflict been won with ground solders unless the enemy gives up under siege.

Are you saying the Dis United States of America has the power to cut all vital supplies to Iran until they surrender unconditionally?

[QUOTE=AxelHeyst;3081017]The truth is no one knows how the war will turn out. There are no embedded reporters covering the story from either side. If one hates Trump there is a strong tendency to think the war is unwinnable. If one supports Trump there is the conviction that the Mullahs will cave. No one know how things will turn out!

Given the above I think one should be aware of the possible outcomes. So mainly for the lefties I post the following link with the headline: "Iran faces massive new triple-threat as Hormuz begins to open, cash gets tight and pols call to end the war". This could be good news, right? Or do you hate Trump so much that you are rooting for an IRCG victory? We live in amazing times.

[URL]https://nypost.com/2026/08/23/world-news/iran-faces-triple-threat-as-control-over-hormuz-economy-wavers/[/URL][/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=AxelHeyst;3081017]The truth is no one knows how the war will turn out. There are no embedded reporters covering the story from either side. If one hates Trump there is a strong tendency to think the war is unwinnable. If one supports Trump there is the conviction that the Mullahs will cave. No one know how things will turn out!

Given the above I think one should be aware of the possible outcomes. So mainly for the lefties I post the following link with the headline: "Iran faces massive new triple-threat as Hormuz begins to open, cash gets tight and pols call to end the war". This could be good news, right? Or do you hate Trump so much that you are rooting for an IRCG victory? We live in amazing times.

[URL]https://nypost.com/2026/08/23/world-news/iran-faces-triple-threat-as-control-over-hormuz-economy-wavers/[/URL][/QUOTE]I am tired of hearing Trump nut huggers complain about people "hating" him. It comes off as school ground stuff. Has any President other Trump whined that people did like them? Of course not. If you are that sensitive then GTFU!

No informed person with any shred of sense think that this "war" is winnable. You cannot topple a nation of that size with an air attack and missiles. It's widely known that Hegseth wasted most the missile inventory that will take years to replace. What a dumbass.

I really don't appreciate the term "lefties. " What does that mean? Did Trump or anyone in his family fight in any war? His old man found an out for him with Vietnam War. Yes, we live in amazing times a corrupt, mentally ill, convict and inept person is running our country into the ground. You can't name one sane person who believes that we "winning" this war.

[QUOTE=ShooBree;3080849]Sorry, your theories are wrong. There aren't enough Muslims in America and[b] the certain swing state[/b] for your theories to be true even in theory.

People love Trump, that's why he keeps winning even when republicans on a lower level fails to win.

They are Trump supporters. Not republicans.[/QUOTE]Michigan, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin are right there among the battleground states that have enough Muslim voters to swing a presidential election, as they did in 2024. In other swing states, too. But the Muslim Community voters abandoning Harris in those other swing states did not squeak out the winning Electoral College votes Trump needed. The ones in MI, PA and WI did and if they hadn't abandoned Harris in just enough numbers in those three states, Trump would not have won. Harris would have won:

[URL]https://youtu.be/0KgX6I3GBCA?is=GrP-LFLdXYY0VQlR[/URL]

[URL]https://www.aljazeera.com/opinions/2024/8/25/the-muslim-american-vote-matters-and-it-can-no-longer-be-taken-for[/URL]

[URL]https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2024-election/swing-state-muslim-voters-threaten-vote-against-biden-rcna122870[/URL]

[QUOTE=KeviKev68;3081042]I am tired of hearing Trump nut huggers complain about people "hating" him. It comes off as school ground stuff. Has any President other Trump whined that people did like them? Of course not. If you are that sensitive then GTFU!

No informed person with any shred of sense think that this "war" is winnable. You cannot topple a nation of that size with an air attack and missiles. It's widely known that Hegseth wasted most the missile inventory that will take years to replace. What a dumbass.

I really don't appreciate the term "lefties. " What does that mean? Did Trump or anyone in his family fight in any war? His old man found an out for him with Vietnam War. Yes, we live in amazing times a corrupt, mentally ill, convict and inept person is running our country into the ground. You can't name one sane person who believes that we "winning" this war.[/QUOTE]Look at what you're writing, you're consumed by hatred. You can't even write a sentence without using derogatory language. You're unable to see things objectively or even consider other people's POV, you're not able to even refrain from using derogatory language which makes you seem unhinged and childish.

No one, absolutely no one would say that USA was winning this war if the roles were reversed. It's pretty obvious that the people that used to govern Iran lost, they lost their lives. The Iranian economy sure as hell isn't winning. Why do you believe the Iranian president wants to move past this situation and make a deal? Most probably because Iran is losing, and they keep on losing every day that this situation goes on.

You're showing clear signs of Trump Derangement Syndrome, try to grow up and realize that not everything is so extremely black and white.

You're attacking people for being centrists, if someone doesn't hate Trump you call them "Trump nut huggers". How is that reasonable?

It's hilarious to see you talk about "school ground stuff" when you're using slurs and black and white language as if you're a kid on the school ground.