Sao Paulo Reports

[QUOTE=Knowledge;3089242]I'm a strong believer that it's no one else's business what anyone else pays.[/QUOTE]What we all pay is probably the biggest topic on the entire ISG forum. It's why many of us North Americans and Western Europeans initially set sail for new lands.

When I would come back from my adventures many moons ago, my friends would be what the fuck. You walked into a disco, took the hottest girl home and you paid what?

They soon set their compass for far distant lands as well.

This is good information being passed along to the membership. Some guys simply won't go to Scandallo because of the prices. Others might be intimidated in boates if they weren't knowledgeable of the pricing scale. The Brasileiras would take advantage of them for sure.

Knowledge is power!

[QUOTE=Knowledge;3089242]Anyway, the pricing structure of Scandallo is more documented than most anything else in this forum.[/QUOTE]The pricing structure at Scandallo, at all the other major clubs, and at the clinicas has [B]all[/B] been very well-documented on this site. But what has not been discussed in detail is whether or not anal service should come with a premium in Sampa, and I'm particularly interested in this question as it pertains to Scandallo. Now, if we were talking about Rio, I can say with 100% confidence that the answer is "no". The price is the price, and the main question for an anal connoisseur in Rio is simply whether or not the girl does anal or not, and that's it. If she does, then anal is included in the base price, and if she doesn't, then it's not since she doesn't cornhole anyway. But in Sao Paulo, I've found girls wanting to ask for a bit more when anal is on the menu. Therefore, I asked about this to see what others were experiencing in Sampa, and what they thought would be a fair price for anal, again specifically at Scandallo. So far, the guidance on this has been zilch. Even a guy like Tochka has no clear answers on the subject. But since you claim that the pricing structure is so generally known at Scandallo, then true to your name in this place, why don't you dispense with some knowledge with respect to my inquiry then? What say ye oh knowledgeable one? In Sao Paulo, and specifically at Scandallo, does the base price always include anal? Or, like in many other parts of the world, do the girls expect (and should they receive) a little something extra for taking it up that "tubo de escape"?

[QUOTE=Knowledge;3089242] I'm a strong believer that it's no one else's business what anyone else pays.[/QUOTE]In order to gain Knowledge you must read and understand. The debate is not about the usual who paid what and you paid too much or cheap Charlie conversation.

The Cane is specifically asking for what quotes mongers are receiving for a specific item / act [U]to determine his approach when in Scandallo only. [/U].
[QUOTE=The Cane;3088476]No guidance on the proper pricing for anal at Scandallo? ............. Anybody?[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=The Cane;3088901]Do you think it would be fair to add some amount of premium for anal? I usually try to do anal sessions at Scandallo for around 1,200.[/quote]

[QUOTE=TheCritic;3089289]In order to gain Knowledge you must read and understand. The debate is not about the usual who paid what and you paid too much or cheap Charlie conversation. The Cane is specifically asking for what quotes mongers are receiving for a specific item / act [U]to determine his approach when in Scandallo only. [/U].[/QUOTE]Thanks for the clarity. I'm asking about something very specific now that, surprisingly when I think about it, has not been a part of the usual discussions about pricing. And I'm most interested in Scandallo. David Anderson was just there and wrote some reports, but he was a noob who did very little successful negotiating. Was hoping to hear from more experienced Scandallo mongers on the subject. Unfortunately, Tochka is not an "analist", so he had nothing for me, and RioFan who got me thinking about this is an absentee monger for the moment. And nobody else has stepped forward. I guess it's going to be up to me in November then! I would describe myself as a "moderate negotiator" meaning that I'm not always trying to drive a "hard bargain". I'm fair but I'm firm!

[QUOTE=TheCane;3089305]Thanks for the clarity. I'm asking about something very specific now that, Unfortunately, Tochka is not an "analist", so he had nothing for me, And nobody else has stepped forward. I guess it's going to be up to me in November then! I would describe myself as a "moderate negotiator" meaning that I'm not always trying to drive a "hard bargain". I'm fair but I'm firm![/QUOTE]True its not my speciality area in the land of bundas with entire swingy clubs dedicated to sex orgies.

Market Research at 57 House Chanes (and why you should always ask clarifying questions!

While Julia was pouring my coffee at 57 Chanes, I decided to conduct a little informal market research across a sample size of 8 to 10 visibly bored garotas hanging around the tables in the newly opened backroom.

2 garotas: Gave a firm "No, definitely don't do it. " Fair enough.

5 garotas: Said "No, I don't do it. " but immediately followed up with: ". However, since you're special Tochka, for an extra 150 BRL to 300 BRL, Pix they would do it" kkk.

2 garotas: Eyebrows went up when they eagerly said, "Yes! It's already included in the price!

I thought I had hit the Cane jackpot they started enthusiastically describing their collection of anal toys, dildos, and anal strap-ONS. Two garota anal strap on from porno movies.

Damn how exciting.

Wait. ,anal toys. Hold on a second, waiit..anal strap on... Noooo I had to stop them mid-sentence!! Let me clarify who exactly was going to be on the receiving end of the anal pegging kkkk.

Turns out, they thought I wanted it. , That explains why it was included for free!!

Safe to say, my market research phase is officially closed. From now on, sticking strictly to garotas who offer BBBJ, CIM, swallow, and snowballing without any back-door surprises.

Over to you for market research over at Scandallo remember, if a garota is excited, and she says it's "already included in the price " you know why she is excited to get YOUR ass in the room. Kkk.

[QUOTE=Tochka;3089350]Wait. ,anal toys. Hold on a second, waiit..anal strap on... Noooo I had to stop them mid-sentence!! Let me clarify who exactly was going to be on the receiving end of the anal pegging kkkk. Turns out, they thought I wanted it. , That explains why it was included for free!! Safe to say, my market research phase is officially closed. From now on, sticking strictly to garotas who offer BBBJ, CIM, swallow, and snowballing without any back-door surprises. Over to you for market research over at Scandallo remember, if a garota is excited, and she says it's "already included in the price " you know why she is excited to get YOUR ass in the room. Kkk.[/QUOTE]Too funny! Can't say I've ever experienced a similar misunderstanding, but I will make sure they know it's their "cuzinha" I'm talking about, and not mine haha!

Asking directly for a full anal service will get you a NO if you ask it up front, most of the times.

I ask for it when the regular service has ended. Once they see my dick won't hurt their rims (I have no shame to say my dick is normal size or maybe small hahahaha I don't care, I know my arts).

Yes, girls fear big dicks breaking their a*es. Some say NO, others say "Ok, let's try it". Then lubed action starts. It is fascinating of course because some give up half way, some ask for more right there.

When you propose you must be open to get a Yes or a NO.

Go slow and you'll go deep.

[QUOTE=Tochka;3088089]

For guys like me that do not bring garotas back to airbnb or hotel, love motels are excellent option.

For dudes ordering garotas on fatamodel to your hotel or airbnb rio bob advise is spot on. Use that to avoid being trapped in uncomfortable situation.[/QUOTE]I am planning to get fatalmodel girls to my hotel on my next visit to Sao Paulo. May I ask what kind of uncomfortable situation that I might be trapped in? I thought asking girls to my hotel is a quite safe practice?

[QUOTE=Gordon987;3089420]I am planning to get fatalmodel girls to my hotel on my next visit to Sao Paulo. May I ask what kind of uncomfortable situation that I might be trapped in? I thought asking girls to my hotel is a quite safe practice?[/QUOTE]I have some experience that might be helpful in answering this question.

I have used photoacompanhantes and other sites successfully many times and a couple not so successful. Two worst were bait and switch where they were obviously not the one pictured. Both times I tried to make it work but wound up sending them away after paying them. One time was at the Marriott Executive Apartments and she left crying. The other was at an apartment and she just left when I told her to. So far though my success rate is quite high. I have been using them since 2019. Often I go to their place the first time to get to know them then invite them to my place if they work out. A love motel is a good option for a first time or any time as well. Four of my current good regulars came from the sites so I guess my thought is it is worth the risk.

My worst experience was with someone I had known for a few years and not from a web site. She came to me in 2024 on New Years Eve in a Hilton and brought wine. I don't drink so she drank most of it and got quite drunk, crying and bitching. It took quite a bit of work and restraint on my part to finally get her to get on an uber I called for her about 3 in the morning. It was very stressful to me but again it is someone I had had a great time with many times before.

The sites are only one of many avenues to get a girl to your hotel room. One regular for years was from Caesaro. A few from the clinicas. Might as well take advantage of all that SP offers.

[QUOTE=HiddenEye;3089378]Asking directly for a full anal service will get you a NO if you ask it up front, most of the times. I ask for it when the regular service has ended. Once they see my dick won't hurt their rims (I have no shame to say my dick is normal size or maybe small hahahaha I don't care, I know my arts). Yes, girls fear big dicks breaking their a*es. Some say NO, others say "Ok, let's try it". Then lubed action starts. It is fascinating of course because some give up half way, some ask for more right there. When you propose you must be open to get a Yes or a NO. Go slow and you'll go deep.[/QUOTE]I absolutely disagree with this approach. If you really want anal, you should always ask for it [B]before[/B] you go to the room (same for BBBJ). Otherwise, you run a much bigger risk of the girl saying no after she already has you in the room and got you committed to a session. Totally disagree that asking before = an automatic no, and especially in Brazil! [B]Always[/B] inquire about any service you just got to have [B]before[/B] you go to the room lest ye be disappointed!

[QUOTE=Gordon987;3089420]I am planning to get fatalmodel girls to my hotel on my next visit to Sao Paulo. May I ask what kind of uncomfortable situation that I might be trapped in? I thought asking girls to my hotel is a quite safe practice?[/QUOTE]Whats your exit plan?

You order escort online to your hotel or airbnb after careful review of her fotos and videos. You open the door to let her in and realize. Shit. She is 20 pounds heavier and 10 years older. Well she is here now, so let her into your room to have fun.

An hour or two later. Boom. Her personality changes. Suddenly she wants to leave early. Then she wants more money or she quietly smokes in your hotel bathroom.

As I've said before, most guys spend more time figuring out how to get a garota into their hotel or Airbnb than they do figuring out how to get her out.

I picked up a hottie, we agreed on the terms-both verbally and over WhatsAppand everything seemed good.

I went back to my nice hotel. Or snuck her into my Airbnb. You paid her upfront for an hour session in the room. 30 min later. Boom. Her personality changes. She wants to leave early. You going to prevent her from leaving early with your money? Or she demands more money or she quietly smokes in the hotel bathroom, leaving you with a $250 USD cleaning fee at checkout.

I've had one run into the hallway crying where everything was on security cameras. I've had enough things go sideways with unvetted garotas that I don't put myself in those situations anymore.

I've also caught girl trying to go through my pants pockets while I was distracted. None of this is hypothetical. It's happened to me and other dudes.

I'm just sharing what I've experienced over the years with brasilian garotas become Unfriendly. Everyone has to decide their own comfort level. My point is simple: have an exit plan to deal with a lying cheating garota is in your place, ready to cause a mess. Just think ahead about garota exit plan.

Have a plan to get her out of your hotel room. Dudes spend more time planning the fantasy to get her ass in than the plan to get her out.

She can claim all sorts of shit to make a scene in your hotel & airbnb. She knows they have cameras in the hallways. Recording interactions and This month is preventing violence against women month.

Even if you are a fluent brasilian speaker a garota running, crying in front of your hotel room demanding more money aint a good look.

Famous quote with hoes. Ya pay them to go away. Charlie Sheen: "I don't pay them for sex. I pay them to leave. " is good advice when you in a difficult spot about he said-she said verbal agreements. Think of your options as a foreigner if you try to prevent her from leaving or she demands more money or refuses to leave and she is taking fotos of you with her iphone.

[QUOTE=RioBob;3087945]Through the years I've enjoyed having escorts come over, barravip usually has nice girls with accurate pictures most of the time with few exceptions. What I've done in the past if I'm in a hotel I'll sit in the lobby to wait for the girl when I see her come in and I like her I'll escort her up to my room. If I don't like the way she looks I'll go up to her and introduce myself and tell her she's not my type and pay for her taxi or Uber. Some apartment buildings I've waited in the lobby for them. I've stayed in some apartments that had a bar or restaurant next door and I would sit there waiting for them while I have a beer and do the same thing, if they're not to my liking I tell them they're not my type sorry and pay for their taxi. Once they get into your apartment it's much more messier to get them out.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Tochka;3089490]Whats your exit plan? You order escort online to your hotel or airbnb after careful review of her fotos and videos. You open the door to let her in and realize. Shit. She is 20 pounds heavier and 10 years older. Well she is here now, so let her into your room to have fun. An hour or two later. Boom. Her personality changes. Suddenly she wants to leave early. Then she wants more money or she quietly smokes in your hotel bathroom. As I've said before, most guys spend more time figuring out how to get a garota into their hotel or Airbnb than they do figuring out how to get her out. I picked up a hottie, we agreed on the terms-both verbally and over WhatsApp and everything seemed good. I went back to my nice hotel. Or snuck her into my Airbnb. You paid her upfront for an hour session in the room. 30 min later. Boom. Her personality changes. She wants to leave early. You going to prevent her from leaving early with your money? Or she demands more money or she quietly smokes in the hotel bathroom, leaving you with a $250 USD cleaning fee at checkout. I've had one run into the hallway crying where everything was on security cameras.[/QUOTE]I have no time for all this drama man. I'm supposed to be on vacay! That's why I prefer to just go to the nightclubs or the clinicas. At least that way you know she's not 20 pounds heavier and 10 years older than what you desired. And you can find out things about her, like if she smokes or not (lots of girls don't). To me that's better than pulling a girl off the internet site unseen in the actual flesh and unvetted. And if you really click, then you can go from there. I rarely ever use escort agencies for lots of reasons, and your post highlights some of those. I can say I have had really good luck in Brazil when I have done so, but I'm careful not to push it! I'm tempted to try Fatal Models the next time because you can see faces, and as I've noted before, a face I'm attracted to is crucial for me. Without that, for me the whole package is ruined! Fatal Models (sounds ominous)!

Expect to pay extra for anal. How much extra of course depends on the provider and it's as negotiable as anything else. Maybe Rio is the best place if anal is the primary objective.

[QUOTE=TheCane;3089275]The pricing structure at Scandallo, at all the other major clubs, and at the clinicas has [B]all[/B] been very well-documented on this site. But what has not been discussed in detail is whether or not anal service should come with a premium in Sampa, and I'm particularly interested in this question as it pertains to Scandallo. Now, if we were talking about Rio, I can say with 100% confidence that the answer is "no". The price is the price, and the main question for an anal connoisseur in Rio is simply whether or not the girl does anal or not, and that's it. If she does, then anal is included in the base price, and if she doesn't, then it's not since she doesn't cornhole anyway. But in Sao Paulo, I've found girls wanting to ask for a bit more when anal is on the menu. Therefore, I asked about this to see what others were experiencing in Sampa, and what they thought would be a fair price for anal, again specifically at Scandallo. So far, the guidance on this has been zilch. Even a guy like Tochka has no clear answers on the subject. But since you claim that the pricing structure is so generally known at Scandallo, then true to your name in this place, why don't you dispense with some knowledge with respect to my inquiry then? What say ye oh knowledgeable one? In Sao Paulo, and specifically at Scandallo, does the base price always include anal? Or, like in many other parts of the world, do the girls expect (and should they receive) a little something extra for taking it up that "tubo de escape"?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Tochka;3089490]Whats your exit plan?
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Famous quote with hoes. Ya pay them to go away. Charlie Sheen: "I don't pay them for sex. I pay them to leave. " is good advice when you in a difficult spot about he said-she said verbal agreements. Think of your options as a foreigner if you try to prevent her from leaving or she demands more money or refuses to leave and she is taking fotos of you with her iphone.[/QUOTE]I totally agree. Those things happen.

This is why travelling I usually prefer hotels: 1. There are cameras. 2. I can meet the lady in the lobby to make sure she is suitable.

The problem in Rio that most hotels are not happy when girls comes. Airbnb are much more problematic if the girls goes crazy.

Bottom line. The best place is a motel / love motel per hour.

Although I admit, I sometimes bring girls to my hotel room. Until now I had no problem, except one time, she wanted to leave after 30 minutes and didn't give any service. I decided not confront and lost my 400 reals. It's a small price to pay for not having problems in a hotel or Airbnb.

Something that is very helpful is having a wingman in the apartment or with you.

[QUOTE=TheCane;3089275]The pricing structure at Scandallo, at all the other major clubs, and at the clinicas has [B]all[/B] been very well-documented on this site. But what has not been discussed in detail is whether or not anal service should come with a premium in Sampa, and I'm particularly interested in this question as it pertains to Scandallo. Now, if we were talking about Rio, I can say with 100% confidence that the answer is "no". The price is the price, and the main question for an anal connoisseur in Rio is simply whether or not the girl does anal or not, and that's it. If she does, then anal is included in the base price, and if she doesn't, then it's not since she doesn't cornhole anyway. But in Sao Paulo, I've found girls wanting to ask for a bit more when anal is on the menu. Therefore, I asked about this to see what others were experiencing in Sampa, and what they thought would be a fair price for anal, again specifically at Scandallo. So far, the guidance on this has been zilch. Even a guy like Tochka has no clear answers on the subject. But since you claim that the pricing structure is so generally known at Scandallo, then true to your name in this place, why don't you dispense with some knowledge with respect to my inquiry then? What say ye oh knowledgeable one? In Sao Paulo, and specifically at Scandallo, does the base price always include anal? Or, like in many other parts of the world, do the girls expect (and should they receive) a little something extra for taking it up that "tubo de escape"?[/QUOTE]I'm finally able to post after 2 weeks with the issues with the server. My experience at Scandallo with anal was that I paid around are $1500. The girls were 8 and above. Really good looking and sexy. Perfect shape. I had a memorable experience with all of them. My Strategy I would tell them up front if I don't cum in the ass I won't pay. I did anal I think with 6 out 8.

But I also wanted everything else. CIM, DATY, GFE. I also took pictures and video tape them. So I couldn't really bargin any more than that. I think think one time I paid R$1700 for everything.

I was happy with are $1500 to be able to do everything I wanted because I felt I might never make it to Scandallo. I Paid are $1200 at Gauguin.