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I think this thread should be renamed to Unsafe sex, since 90% of the people here are just asking where to get uncovered FS. But I guess naming it "Safe Sex" makes it seem safer somehow. Kind of like how if someone shuts their eyes while driving, they don't have to see incoming cars and it appears more safe that way.
[QUOTE=ParkVille;1827168]I think this thread should be renamed to Unsafe sex, since 90% of the people here are just asking where to get uncovered FS. But I guess naming it "Safe Sex" makes it seem safer somehow. Kind of like how if someone shuts their eyes while driving, they don't have to see incoming cars and it appears more safe that way.[/QUOTE]There are a lot of people in denial. Some are denying they ever got an STD. I admit I caught Chlamydia twice in my life in Thailand even though I am not normally practicing BBFS, one time was clearly caught by finger in pussy (Chlamydia eye infection), so I am not sure how many guys are abstaining from that, Dan?, or carefully wash hands immediately after, or wear condoms on their fingers? LOL
So I damn certain that regular bare backers are catching STDs regularly. My buddy got one in his first week in Thailand quick and lively. Many guys seem to be okay With Chlamydia and Gonorrhea as can be cured quickly (once you know you have it). Most people mongering regularly will have had Herpes (either Oral or genital) at some point, maybe not if always avoiding BBBJ, DATY and kissing.
Others are in denial not admitting that lots of bareback is going on in Thailand. While some girls really hate guys asking for BB, many others are persuadable and many take extra money for it, and I include all the Russian and other non Thai girls in this. I am not able to state rates of BB willingness myself, since I simply don't know, and do not ask girls. I intend to start asking just for fun, to find out how many are willing and in what circumstances. I won't be accepting the offer with girls doing this readily, since I can't afford to risk giving GF an STD.
I don't understand why girls are doing BB very readily without taking a guy's test results first, since after long repetition, their chance of catching HIV becomes significant, even if very low for a one off occasion. It's better for guys whose risk of HIV from pussy sex is significantly lower. I am sure many guys feel risk of HIV is less than being killed in a car crash, so no big deal, and they don't care about the odd Chlamydia. I wonder if some just dose up with the Azithromycin on every trip to Thailand, whether have any symptoms or not? I guess can't do that if doing BB on a week in and week out basis. I do tend to keep spare Azithromycin, just in case.
Do guys doing BB just assume the girl has good birth control, or ask the question? I mean I have met a lot of bargirls and MP girls who have recently been pregnant and given birth. Thai girls are anti abortion, for the most part. Do guys care if a girl gets pregnant? I knew one bargirl definitely pregnant and giving birth from a Farang father semi-BF/customer who was not expecting a baby. I believe he was willing to pay the girl some support, but not a large amount. I fucked same girl some time later but not BB. I guess she may have learned the lesson not to do BB too willingly.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;1828439]There are a lot of people in denial. Some are denying they ever got an STD. I admit I caught Chlamydia twice in my life in Thailand even though I am not normally practicing BBFS, one time was clearly caught by finger in pussy (Chlamydia eye infection), so I am not sure how many guys are abstaining from that, Dan?, or carefully wash hands immediately after, or wear condoms on their fingers? LOL
So I damn certain that regular bare backers are catching STDs regularly. My buddy got one in his first week in Thailand quick and lively. Many guys seem to be okay With Chlamydia and Gonorrhea as can be cured quickly (once you know you have it). Most people mongering regularly will have had Herpes (either Oral or genital) at some point, maybe not if always avoiding BBBJ, DATY and kissing.
Others are in denial not admitting that lots of bareback is going on in Thailand. While some girls really hate guys asking for BB, many others are persuadable and many take extra money for it, and I include all the Russian and other non Thai girls in this. I am not able to state rates of BB willingness myself, since I simply don't know, and do not ask girls. I intend to start asking just for fun, to find out how many are willing and in what circumstances. I won't be accepting the offer with girls doing this readily, since I can't afford to risk giving GF an STD.
I don't understand why girls are doing BB very readily without taking a guy's test results first, since after long repetition, their chance of catching HIV becomes significant, even if very low for a one off occasion. It's better for guys whose risk of HIV from pussy sex is significantly lower. I am sure many guys feel risk of HIV is less than being killed in a car crash, so no big deal, and they don't care about the odd Chlamydia. I wonder if some just dose up with the Azithromycin on every trip to Thailand, whether have any symptoms or not? I guess can't do that if doing BB on a week in and week out basis. I do tend to keep spare Azithromycin, just in case.
Do guys doing BB just assume the girl has good birth control, or ask the question? I mean I have met a lot of bargirls and MP girls who have recently been pregnant and given birth. Thai girls are anti abortion, for the most part. Do guys care if a girl gets pregnant? I knew one bargirl definitely pregnant and giving birth from a Farang father semi-BF/customer who was not expecting a baby. I believe he was willing to pay the girl some support, but not a large amount. I fucked same girl some time later but not BB. I guess she may have learned the lesson not to do BB too willingly.[/QUOTE]I am amazed at the number of guys who engage in BBFS. Now that multi-drug resistant gonorrhea is present in LOS, it is even more of a risk. A case of the drips that you can't cure! That should scare any dude into wearing a rubber. Condoms will not protect you from HSV-2 and HPV in many cases. Viral shedding can occur without lesions being present with HSV and many times the inoculation site will be a place that condoms don't cover. Only a few strains of HPV cause visible warts. The ones that don't can be the most dangerous leading to cancers including cancer of the throat in men and women.
Even with condoms our hobby is a risk, but we can minimize that as much as possible.
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Even with condoms our hobby is a risk, but we can minimize that as much as possible.[/QUOTE]I like this point as the key. Nothing is completely safe. Condoms break occasionally. It's really about how much risk is acceptable, and the assessment of this varies between individuals. BBFS regularly and you will catch an STD soon enough or get a girl pregnant soon enough. These risks are too much for me. Doesn't mean I have never had BBFS. However I have been extremely selective with partners, e. G. My GF. Looking forward to trying some extra special condoms. LOL.
I don't require CBJ as I assess the risk of catching an STD from BBBJ as fairly minimal even though it's possible that was how I caught Chlamydia many years ago (unproven).
I have seen the clinic tables set up on the second level of Nana Plaza in the afternoon a few times for the girls' (monthly?) HIV blood screening tests. And I know the question of how often the girls are tested is brought up by some potential customers and bar management usually have a ready answer. So there is at least a tacit understanding that there is plenty of BBFS going on, despite the pretense that it is rare, somewhere sometime if not quite often. Otherwise, why make such a big deal about how often the girls are tested?
I'm pretty sure the vast majority of girls offering BBFS in the usual venues know where babies come from and use some form of birth control. Of course, a dedicated mongerer, certainly the kind of men who frequent sites like this one to share tips on where and how to get more and better P4 P, would demonstrate much more concern for the girls with regard to the risk of pregnancy by getting a vasectomy. According to the studies cited in some condom packaging, a man who hasn't had a vasectomy but wearing a condom is 20 times more likely to impreganate his female partner than a man with vasectomy not wearing one. So all you concerned citizens can set up your vasectomy appontments ASAP.
Add a circumcision to your disease fighting arsenal, always have a current (within 2-3 months) negative / normal HIV and STIs test result document on hand to both know about for your own sake and to present to any concerned or just plain curious partner and I am surmising that you will be engaging in far safer sex (your risk to the girl) than 99% of the customers she will ever meet, including those who try but admit they sometimes fail to keep an intact condom on for the duration of their FS encounter.
[QUOTE=EihTooms;1828612]I have seen the clinic tables set up on the second level of Nana Plaza in the afternoon a few times for the girls' (monthly?) HIV blood screening tests. And I know the question of how often the girls are tested is brought up by some potential customers and bar management usually have a ready answer. So there is at least a tacit understanding that there is plenty of BBFS going on, despite the pretense that it is rare, somewhere sometime if not quite often. Otherwise, why make such a big deal about how often the girls are tested?
I'm pretty sure the vast majority of girls offering BBFS in the usual venues know where babies come from and use some form of birth control. Of course, a dedicated mongerer, certainly the kind of men who frequent sites like this one to share tips on where and how to get more and better P4 P, would demonstrate much more concern for the girls with regard to the risk of pregnancy by getting a vasectomy. According to the studies cited in some condom packaging, a man who hasn't had a vasectomy but wearing a condom is 20 times more likely to impreganate his female partner than a man with vasectomy not wearing one. So all you concerned citizens can set up your vasectomy appontments ASAP.
Add a circumcision to your disease fighting arsenal, always have a current (within 2-3 months) negative / normal HIV and STIs test result document on hand to both know about for your own sake and to present to any concerned or just plain curious partner and I am surmising that you will be engaging in far safer sex (your risk to the girl) than 99% of the customers she will ever meet, including those who try but admit they sometimes fail to keep an intact condom on for the duration of their FS encounter.[/QUOTE]Condoms can break or fall off on rare occasions maybe once per year for me. Sponges cause breakages.
When it breaks there is the morning after pill girls can take to avoid pregnancy. You would be surprised how plenty are not taking the pill. The pill is not foolproof however a non failed condom is very good birth control protection. Vasectomy is maybe unnecessary.
I have not got a girl pregnant ever as yet. I am sure all the girls I know who got pregnant were fucking BB but not with me. One claimed she was taking the pill.
After one condom accident with a LT girl, I escorted her to the pharmacy to get morning after pills and watched her take them. She gave birth to a baby about 18 months later (wasn't me).
[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1828479]I am amazed at the number of guys who engage in BBFS. Now that multi-drug resistant gonorrhea is present in LOS, it is even more of a risk. A case of the drips that you can't cure! That should scare any dude into wearing a rubber.[/QUOTE]I'm not sure, but isn't this the link we've been seeing on the so-called "presence" of multidrug-resistant gonorrhea in LOS?
[URL]http://www.who.int/features/2015/thailand-gonorrhoea/en/[/URL]
If not, do you have a link citing the number of cases of multidrug-resistant gonorrhea that have been discovered in Thailand?
If that is the link, I don't see where it says any cases of multidrug-resistant gonorrhea have been discovered in Thailand. It says 2 clinics were set up to survey and monitor potential cases of it and, more importantly, to do what similar clinics are meant to do elsewhere; study it, if one crops up, in order to begin the development of new drugs and treatments to treat and cure it.
The reason Thailand was chosen as a location for such a clinic (2 at present), as strongly suggested in the text of the article, is because, unlike many other countries, Thailand does not attach nearly the stigma regarding men who have sex with men and transgender sexual practices that drives those who do engage in such activities elsewhere to go into hiding when STI symptoms first occur and not seek early treatment. Thailand is a much better location than most to run tests on any and all evidence that an STI is becoming drug resistant (and then be able to develop something to combat it) because homosexuals and transgenders will be far more likely to seek early medical treatment in Thailand than in other countries.
The clinics were not set up in Thailand because cases of multidrug-resistant gonorrhea or anything else are cropping up in Thailand. At least, not according to this article. I see nothing in this article that says cases of multi-drug resistant gonorrhea are cropping up in Thailand. And, BTW, even if it did, current drug "resistant" does not mean "incurable".
[QUOTE=Syzygies;1828736]Condoms can break or fall off on rare occasions maybe once per year for me. Sponges cause breakages.
When it breaks there is the morning after pill girls can take to avoid pregnancy. You would be surprised how plenty are not taking the pill. The pill is not foolproof however a non failed condom is very good birth control protection. Vasectomy is maybe unnecessary.[/QUOTE]LOL. Of course, for those of us who have had a vasectomy, the preferred sentiment is "condoms are maybe unnecessary" in order to prevent unwanted pregnancy. Studies have shown that my vasectomy has prevented unwanted pregnancies in my girlfriends and P4 P girls far more certainly over the past 25 years than any man re his girlfriends and P4 P girls who does not have a vasectomy but uses condoms that, as in your case, can fall off or break at a rate of once a year.
[QUOTE=EihTooms;1828773]I'm not sure, but isn't this the link we've been seeing on the so-called "presence" of multidrug-resistant gonorrhea in LOS?
[URL]http://www.who.int/features/2015/thailand-gonorrhoea/en/[/URL]
If not, do you have a link citing the number of cases of multidrug-resistant gonorrhea that have been discovered in Thailand?
If that is the link, I don't see where it says any cases of multidrug-resistant gonorrhea have been discovered in Thailand. It says 2 clinics were set up to survey and monitor potential cases of it and, more importantly, to do what similar clinics are meant to do elsewhere; study it, if one crops up, in order to begin the development of new drugs and treatments to treat and cure it.
The reason Thailand was chosen as a location for such a clinic (2 at present), as strongly suggested in the text of the article, is because, unlike many other countries, Thailand does not attach nearly the stigma regarding men who have sex with men and transgender sexual practices that drives those who do engage in such activities elsewhere to go into hiding when STI symptoms first occur and not seek early treatment. Thailand is a much better location than most to run tests on any and all evidence that an STI is becoming drug resistant (and then be able to develop something to combat it) because homosexuals and transgenders will be far more likely to seek early medical treatment in Thailand than in other countries.
The clinics were not set up in Thailand because cases of multidrug-resistant gonorrhea or anything else are cropping up in Thailand. At least, not according to this article. I see nothing in this article that says cases of multi-drug resistant gonorrhea are cropping up in Thailand. And, BTW, even if it did, current drug "resistant" does not mean "incurable".[/QUOTE]No it does not mean incurable, but it is headed in that direction. From what I have read the origin might be Japan. There are cases in the UK now, but not in the US. I would imagine Thailand would not set up clinics if there were no cases here. One of my friends recently contracted the clap and was told by the Dr he saw that there are new protocols for treating the disease. He was hit pretty heavy with two antibiotics. One was given IV not I'm. The other orally. Again, why risk it?
[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1828818]No it does not mean incurable, but it is headed in that direction. From what I have read the origin might be Japan. There are cases in the UK now, but not in the US. I would imagine Thailand would not set up clinics if there were no cases here. One of my friends recently contracted the clap and was told by the Dr he saw that there are new protocols for treating the disease. He was hit pretty heavy with two antibiotics. One was given IV not I'm. The other orally. Again, why risk it?[/QUOTE]Ok. So it doesn't say there are any cases in LOS. But it does explain why the clinics were set up in Thailand instead of other countries and having discovered even one incident of multidrug-resistant gonorrhea isn't cited as one of those reasons. And we now agree going from "resistant" to what used to be a simple single shot in order to cure something over the past several decades to two drugs administered separately does not mean it has now become "incurable". Far from it.
Sorry, but that does not in any way comport with the rather over-the-top "scary" and, as we see, unfounded things you have been saying about it numerous times in various threads here. Why would you do that?
But on your question, "Why risk it?"
It would be convenient if all of us were so hair-trigger responsive that we routinely cum twice in an hour and are actually upset when we aren't offered that many if not more in a P4P encounter, cum in the shower when the girl merely soaps you up, cum wearing condoms, cum while straddling a picket fence in the midst of a windstorm and so on as seems to be the case with so many posters on these kinds of websites or at least so quickly and easily for some that it is unfathomable to imagine it isn't that way with every other man as well. But it ain't that way for many of us. For many of us, it is either "risk it" or abstain from sexual penetration to completion outside of an exclusive partnership for the rest of our lives.
From my point of view, that is a really, really easy decision to make. Particularly when the real-world realities of those risks under most circumstances are not nearly as great or as pervasive as the "Death By Sex!!" fear-mongering about it would have us believe.
[QUOTE=EihTooms;1828893]Ok. So it doesn't say there are any cases in LOS. But it does explain why the clinics were set up in Thailand instead of other countries and having discovered even one incident of multidrug-resistant gonorrhea isn't cited as one of those reasons. And we now agree going from "resistant" to what used to be a simple single shot in order to cure something over the past several decades to two drugs administered separately does not mean it has now become "incurable". Far from it.
Sorry, but that does not in any way comport with the rather over-the-top "scary" and, as we see, unfounded things you have been saying about it numerous times in various threads here. Why would you do that?
But on your question, "Why risk it?"
It would be convenient if all of us were so hair-trigger responsive that we routinely cum twice in an hour and are actually upset when we aren't offered that many if not more in a P4P encounter, cum in the shower when the girl merely soaps you up, cum wearing condoms, cum while straddling a picket fence in the midst of a windstorm and so on as seems to be the case with so many posters on these kinds of websites or at least so quickly and easily for some that it is unfathomable to imagine it isn't that way with every other man as well. But it ain't that way for many of us. For many of us, it is either "risk it" or abstain from sexual penetration to completion outside of an exclusive partnership for the rest of our lives.
From my point of view, that is a really, really easy decision to make. Particularly when the real-world realities of those risks under most circumstances are not nearly as great or as pervasive as the "Death By Sex!!" fear-mongering about it would have us believe.[/QUOTE]I really don't think exposing the risk of multi-drug resistant clap is "fear-mongering. " Why would I do that? Because it is a new risk and a real risk. The clap is easy to catch and a drug resistant variety would spread quite quickly. In fact, far more quickly than HIV which is much harder to catch. And no, I don't think it is unfounded. And sorry, there is always someone before you and always someone after you. So risk it? It is not just about you. It is about the health of all of us not to mention the health of the gals in the biz. BBFS not only puts you at risk, but puts the provider and those that come after you at risk as well. Honestly the real question is with the emergence of this new superbug; why would you put yourself and others at risk. Why would you do that?
Personally I have never been worried about HIV. This is far different.
[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1828942]I really don't think exposing the risk of multi-drug resistant clap is "fear-mongering. " Why would I do that? Because it is a new risk and a real risk. The clap is easy to catch and a drug resistant variety would spread quite quickly. In fact, far more quickly than HIV which is much harder to catch. And no, I don't think it is unfounded. And sorry, there is always someone before you and always someone after you. So risk it? It is not just about you. It is about the health of all of us not to mention the health of the gals in the biz. BBFS not only puts you at risk, but puts the provider and those that come after you at risk as well. Honestly the real question is with the emergence of this new superbug; why would you put yourself and others at risk. Why would you do that?
Personally I have never been worried about HIV. This is far different.[/QUOTE]There you go again. The emergence of what superbug? Some internet website editor conjured up an attention-grabbing scary headline for their otherwise fairly level headed article, the body of which doesn't even support the scary suggestions in that headline, BTW, about how more or a different combination of drugs might be needed in some cases to better treat gonorrhea as effectively as it has been treated for decades, none of which cases have yet been cited or identified in Thailand and your response is to repeatedly insist that it is showing up in Thailand, is poised to spread like wildfire, cannot be cured, will kill us all and that I would be the most to blame for it because, like thousands of customers do every week in this country, I am fine with the level of precautions I take when engaging in BBFS/BBBJ.
And I feel zero responsibility for your health anyway. If you are more worried now about your health as a result of these reports that new drugs or combinations of drugs are required in some cases to treat gonorrhea, maybe it is time for you to move up to two condoms on for every encounter and a nice big dental dam sheet of plastic tucked into your lady's hooha. Meanwhile, I will continue to do what I have done to keep myself and every lady I have ever boffed safe and (well, mostly) happy for 40+ years.
Worried about gonorrhea but not HIV.
In LOS there are many things worse than STIs to be concerned about.
Live a little. We're not here forever. Even tomorrow is not guaranteed.
Went to red cross last week for a check up. Pretty straightforward procedure. Took about 2 hours in total, with registration, test and waiting for results. Cost is 400 baht for HIV and STD test. Many different people going there, young, old, Thai, farang, ladyboys, gays. Would recommend. Its located near Ratchdamri BTS.
Found a giant and painful bump on my d1 ck. Advice: just wear a condom. It might feel amazing without, but that STD is getting me down and out of the hobby for some time. Better in the longrun to wear the rubber, even if the girl is tested for the dreaded HIV, you can still get other things that don't easily clear up.