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[QUOTE=RCA Knight]I spent a few days here for a transit flight to Egypt around Chrismas. Have not been in BKK for quite a long while so I was expecting to get some nice Thai cuties. But again the sex scene in general is disappointing.[/QUOTE]
Well, since that's the case, you should probably not bother with Thailand anymore. Leave it for us folks with lower standards.
If you can't find a good looking woman in Bangok to get together with, it's not her fault, it's yours.
Go look in the mirror.
[QUOTE=RCA Knight]I spent a few days here for a transit flight to Egypt around Chrismas. Have not been in BKK for quite a long while so I was expecting to get some nice Thai cuties. But again the sex scene in general is disappointing.
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Hmm,
hard to beleive. You should put up a sample picture about your standard you are expecting.
Your standard is either to high for the price you are looking for (Did you check the 5-10k Bhat region exept for CM2 overquoated area).
Or your standard, respectively specific attributes do simply not fit to an asian gender.
For me I could have sampled numerous cuties if given anough time and power. However as we all know cute is only one parameter to have an enjoyable experience. The talks before decision is as well important and ....
regards
Brain666
[QUOTE=RCA Knight]Again I was disppointed at BKK scenes again on the quality and selection on this trip. My mind was still lingering in China with litearally hundreds of beautiful girls in each the saunas and KTVs to overwhelm your eye sights. Apparently this doesn't happen in the Thai secens any more.[/QUOTE]
RCA,
Is China your home base? I have seen your posts on the China and Japan threads. It seems you have a thing for the Dalian girls. I spend a fair amount of time in Asia, with stops in Japan, HK, China, Korea, Thailand among my stops each year. I think you are in the minority, when not finding high quality lookers in Thailand. There must be something in the Thai look that does not suit your tastes. That's too bad, since you are clearly missing out on some of the most beautiful woman in the world. The Thai girls seem to be the only Asian girls you seem to knock. You have your reasons, but it does seem odd.
I have been to China many times and yes there are some beauties there, but Thailand does not take a back seat to the scene there. Just my two cents.
AT2
[QUOTE=ABC2]Monday
Monday was another write off. Determined not to play the heat stroke card again I started using taxis. I took one to the Prince hotel and had the driver drop me off at the lobby. All the time that I am in the car, the driver keeps pushing Cupididy. Are you sure you don’t want to go to Cupididy was the question he must asked about 15 times. I assured him no. Finally I said it sounds like you want to go there. To which he replies resoundingly yes, yes and I want to fuck ,fuck and fuck. I said to myself, what a horny mother.
The Plaza was a bust, as they only had 3 girls and none behind the glass. The manager said none were being expected either . Damn shame really. I was all fired up and nowhere to go. Against better judgement I went into Cupididy. To my surprise there were about 10 girls in there. While waiting to see if more would arrive I struck up conversation with a couple of guests there. While I am talking one of the morons who works there pulls up next to me and starts staring at us talking . I took it for about 10 min and turned around and asked him about the rates of the place. He grunts something that I could not make out and leaves. This was now 8:00 pm and I decided to get supper. So I stepped out and came back at 10:00. The talent had definitely improved and I started anticipating . The same moron approaches me and starts staring at me. Being polite I asked him the rates again and he blurts out that I had been here many times and that I should already know the rates. I explained to him that this was my first time, I had just stepped out and returning . At this point I started questioning as to why I have to explain anything to this character, after all I am the guy with the money he wants. He blurts out the rates. I check my wallet and ask if they take cards. To which he replies a 10% surcharge will be levied. That was it I had enough and left for the evening. Too bad there were a couple of potentials there. Dissatisfied I walked into, I think it was called Empire, massage. As expected only 5’s 6’s were there so I decided to keep my money and left.
Tuesday- The final day
As you can imagine I was pretty desperate by now. This was my final day in the much hyped up Bangkok and I really had not gotten my fill. I was determined to use the lessons of the past to my advantage. To begin with I was going to find a MP that was open in morning so that if it was a dud I would have another shot at night. Scouring through the board Tulip was mentioned in a couple of postings. Having decided for this place I arrived there at 10:30 am and discovered that the place does not open until 11:00 am. As I was there at the opening I am pretty sure I was the first one there. This assured me a fresh energized session. Boy was I right! I had a girl from Chang Mia. Nicely stacked 5’3” and very well skilled. Knew exactly what to do . We begin with shower together. On to a very sensual oily back massage. Hands down one of the best I have ever had. An hour into it I was really getting turned on. She was just very highly skilled. Without even mentioning the options she proceeded to give me a very passionate and much welcomed BBBJ . Now this was what I needed, no doubt about it. On to DATY and a 69. After about 20 minutes of this I was finished. I have to say she has now set the new high for me. I cannot wait to see her again.
At 4:30 am I left Bangkok for the USA.
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The cabbies will try to take you to a place that gives them a commission, and that is often a dump. If you see tour busses in the MP parking lot it usually means a Chinese tour group is there with all the good ones upstairs. When you get to BKK you have to hit the ground running. If you get good booty on arrival you set precident. If you strike out your trip could be jinxed. The bangkok tonight website has maps of all the sudzy joints, but never trust a cabbie or took-took to take you there although a took took dude took me to j-1 and I had a good experience. The second time I want to J-1 the pappasan hooked me up with the prettiest one, that had a huge natural rack and she was horrid. There is so much fine booty in Bkk, and they don't care what you look like at the sudsy massage places. When you strike out, the skankier ones can see the desperation in your eyes and they will hook you and chump you silly. If there is no booty, just wait until the next day and hit the sudzy places in the afternoon before they get busy. Once you get superior satisfaction, you will get the self confidance up. Just because they look disinterested doesn't mean you won't get good play. It ain't like shooting fish in a barrell, but more like the fish jumps out at you.
I did have one bad experience years back in BKK as I was there on Friday the 13th. The Seik Tailors at a shop warned me to be careful that night and told me that that date was jinxy in all cultures. Strange stuff happened that night. Every single girl I hooked up with was either methed out, a Lady Boy or just plain strange. I had to have the Nana security eject 3 of them as they would not leave the hotel. At that point you bail and go to Pattaya or book a flight to somewhere else.
[QUOTE=Burkmere]Well, I've only been to BKK twice and the second time was in November. I visited the Biergarten on Soi 7 for the first time and met some cuties! I'm 52 and look younger. A fairly attractive guy. There were some cuties in there.
But. How much do you guys pay for ST or LT? I guess I need to know. I'll be back in Feb.
In fact, if anyone wants to meet up, I'll be staying at the Majestic Suites and taking jaunts to Chiang Mai and HCMC.[/QUOTE]
Burkmere,
The girls will ask for 1,000 - 3,000 bath LT in BKK, depending on her looks and demand. You decide if you think she's worth the asking price or you negotiate. ST rates are about 1/2 the LT rate. Even the term LT can have different meanings for the girls. The term should apply to overnight, but these days it means 2-3 hours for some girls. With ST meaning one pop for those mercenaries. Make sure both of you are on the same wave length.
You will find more than enough girls willing to do an all nighter for 2,000 baht or less.
AT2
To me it seems like the pay scene from 5 years ago has changed a lot compared to now in BKK. The present seems like the top quality workers are not much available in conventional venues in Thailand. I have been in and out of Thailand for over 10 years so I see the drastic changes in last 5 years or so.
There was the real nice cutie class available in conventioanl venues like in massages, agogos, ect over 5 years ago, but this class has drastically shrank and gone into the more privatized venues such as gentlemen lounges, high end karaokes, members clubs, this change has been observed by several other long time members as well.
I go China quite often since 2 years ago, I don't post much there because I mostly hunt for non-pro students or office girls in Northern China where I have the best success rates. And I have found a few really nice regulars to keep me occupied during my trips. And I also monger for pros sometimes in Zuhai, Dongguang, Changping in southern Canton, but there are so many great posts already by China experts and are very helpful already.
To my own experiences, I think the southern China pay scene at this moment is winning over some of the traditional monger powers like Thailand, Filippines, Cambodia, ect in quality/price performance and in selection. I reveal my personal obervation for others as reference when they are comparing and choosing the next destinations in Asia.
[QUOTE=RCA Knight]To me it seems like the pay scene from 5 years ago has changed a lot compared to now in BKK. The present seems like the top quality workers are not much available in conventional venues in Thailand. I have been in and out of Thailand for over 10 years so I see the drastic changes in last 5 years or so.
There was the real nice cutie class available in conventioanl venues like in massages, agogos, ect over 5 years ago, but this class has drastically shrank and gone into the more privatized venues such as gentlemen lounges, high end karaokes, members clubs, this change has been observed by several other long time members as well.
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Maybe they are the same girls, just five years older.
RCA
With regional economies much stronger than they were 5 years ago, three things are happening which are reducing drastically the quality of P4P "cuties" (as you say) in the conventional locales.
Firstly, some girls have left the scene to work conventionally because there are more jobs and salaries have increased significantly.
Secondly, as you say many have moved up-market to private men's clubs frequented mainly by Asians, which relates to my final point.
Most significantly, there are a lot more Japanese, Koreans, Hong Kong Chinese and even mainland Chinese doing business here. Consequently, many of the best-looking girls have been cherry-picked by these guys and set up in apartments as mia noi.
Old Thai Hand:
I agree with your 3 points, especially the last 2.
Up till the end of 90's, there were still at least a few super cuties in almost all the massages, agogos, the conventional market. But from the end of the 90's came the rapid expansion of gentlemen class venues, shops like Carribbean, Orbit, Exotica, the Resort, the Pent, Forte, Piano, ect, just to name a few, plus the expansion of Thaniya street high end Japanese venues, this cutie class has rapidly drifted into this high end market. Now they are nearly off the conventional market in Thailand.
The last point also so true. The Thai cuties in recent years are more and more daring in hunting sugar papas. If they hang out in discos or work in this high end venues for a while, they are bound to find some rich sugar papa for big financial support. Then this group is off the market as well.
I prefer China now because there is still a big abundance of this super cutie class even in the cheapest conventional market. And lots of them are still so friendly and naive and so fresh. Not to mention China still has a huge freebie scene as well which Thailand in recent years has gone totally extinct.
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[QUOTE=RCA Knight]Not to mention China still has a huge freebie scene as well which Thailand in recent years has gone totally extinct.[/QUOTE]I don't agree with this at all. I rarely P4P. Thailand is obviously full of non-P4P women who are relatively easy to get, if you live here. It may be true that they are all but out-of-bounds for the visitor. But, I would hardly say freebies are extinct.
[QUOTE=RCA Knight]Old Thai Hand:
I agree with your 3 points, especially the last 2.
Up till the end of 90's, there were still at least a few super cuties in almost all the massages, agogos, the conventional market. But from the end of the 90's came the rapid expansion of gentlemen class venues, shops like Carribbean, Orbit, Exotica, the Resort, the Pent, Forte, Piano, ect, just to name a few, plus the expansion of Thaniya street high end Japanese venues, this cutie class has rapidly drifted into this high end market. Now they are nearly off the conventional market in Thailand.
The last point also so true. The Thai cuties in recent years are more and more daring in hunting sugar papas. If they hang out in discos or work in this high end venues for a while, they are bound to find some rich sugar papa for big financial support. Then this group is off the market as well.
I prefer China now because there is still a big abundance of this super cutie class even in the cheapest conventional market. And lots of them are still so friendly and naive and so fresh. Not to mention China still has a huge freebie scene as well which Thailand in recent years has gone totally extinct.[/QUOTE]RCA,
I have been going to BKK for more than 15 years. Yes, there have been changes, but nothing that affects the P4P or freebie scene to any significant degree. At least not for me. Sure, the prices have gone up over time, but so have my wages. Not sure what happened to you recently, but obviously something is bothering you about the BKK scene right now.
I am enjoying BKK as much as ever. In fact, I would say more than ever, with the benefits of the BTS, more Restaurant and hotel options than ever before. Add to that, there are still more girls in a central location than anywhere on the planet, and it's all good in my eyes.
I go to China too, and while I'm no expert, I don't think the scene is better there. Maybe for insiders, similar to Japan, but not for the casual visitor. There's more ground to cover, so it's not as convenient. The language issue is a much bigger obstacle there. Most of all, it's just not as comfortable for a visitor in terms of the mongering and freebie scene. There's always a sense of trouble around the corner or the chance of a major rip off there, for a newcomer.
Are you working for a China tour agency or somehow connected to the visitor industry there? LOL! Hey, you may be genuinely disappointed. If you have found your Nirvana in China, more power to you. I don't think you will convince many others though.
Peace!
AT2
Is anyone familiar with the Pent Executive Club? I may have the name wrong, since I going off memory, but hopefully someone knows what I'm talking about. There's a stage with a band, and a back bar area, where there are a number of lookers. Maybe this is the Pent that RCA was referring to.
I was there as a guest of a business group, and did not feel comfortable about asking what was on the menu. We ate, drank and had the company of several of the girls. A couple of the hosts got tanked and started dancing with the girls. No one left with anyone that I could tell.
How does that place work? Just a hostess club or is take out on the menu? If it is, what's the fee?
AT2
I think that even for non residents there are still plenty of freebies available. Wages may have increased but plenty of local TG, not into P2P, looking for long term relationships with foreigners and will work hard to try and catch one. Last time I was in Thailand, last November, I spent most of my time with a non-P2P TG and it didn't take me long to find other travellers who also managed to hook up with someone too.
Thai Girls aren't looking for the same as their equivelents in the West, they're looking for a 'good guy' who will look after them. Age doesn't factor as much in their ideas of who they're looking for and I've heard them use the same term again and again when describing the man they want - a leader. I pulled girls that I would never have a hope in hell of even getting close to back home and I'm no Brad Pit!
I never imagined spending so much time being checked out by their family but once you prove yourself in their eyes they'll pretty much do anything for you.