Monterrey

Recently I was referred to Anel, from the MTY extra curric. group, and set a date. Unfortunately? I was unable to make the date. Do any of you guys have any worthwhile info on her? It's Anel not Annel, apperantly two different girls.

You would have loved Annel, Bbond.
When was this??? Recent or further back history??
She has retired to a civilian job. I know as a fact she still does services, but she is limited to afterhours.
So its complicated for her.

Recomend her... YES, she's hot, and no kidding, she loves it.



[QUOTE=Bbond]Recently I was referred to Anel, from the MTY extra curric. group, and set a date. Unfortunately? I was unable to make the date. Do any of you guys have any worthwhile info on her? It's Anel not Annel, apperantly two different girls.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Monterreydude]Y
When was this??? Recent or further back history??
[/QUOTE]

About the middle of June. I exchanged several e-mails with her and stayed at the hotel she recommended, but it just didn't work out, my fault, not hers.

[QUOTE=Unspongebob]They post regularly about their experiences, in detail, and they receive absolutely no comments from me. I am not into the escorts, but I appreciate their contributions. [/QUOTE]

Well maybe it would help if you did comment. People look up to you and respect what you have to say, since you are extensively experienced in the hobby in Monterrey & elsewhere. If someone posts a report here and they don't receive any reply from you (or anybody), and instead see their report get buried and drowned out amongst all the other "in crowd" gossip, they're going to assume they're not wanted and their experience and opinion not valued, so they will move on and post elsewhere. I think it would help the forum if you encourage new participants; ask them questions, tell them good job, maybe add your own experiences which complement theirs (but in doing so don't try to steal their thunder). People want to participate, and people appreciate receiving interest & comments on their reports, especially from guys like you who they look up to. It really does mean a lot. If you just ignore them you are not helping to build a community.

Part of being a leader is sharing the wealth and developing next generation leaders. Being a leader is not a contest about who can post the most information, or who knows the most about tabledance bars. If after 10 years, the forum still hasn't developed any new leaders it seems there is some failing. I don't really believe that in that time there haven't been a lot of new guys coming down there. There really shouldn't be that big a barrier to entry to participating on a monger site. Monterreydude is a different case from you because he lives there and is the de facto person everyone meets.

Atrapa corriente tráileres y autos en carretera Nuevo Laredo-Monterrey; cierran

They say closed for at least 2 days....

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Hi Blourghas,

Well, I have four criteria for making commentary...

1. If I have direct experience that I think is relevant, and provided it won't inhibit my own circumstances on the ground in Monterrey, then I am likely to sometimes comment.

2. If I see information posted that I believe is contrary to the reality that exists in Monterrey, solely for the benefit of fellow members, I will usually comment with a clarification of the facts on the ground so others can make informed decisions should they be planning a trip to Monterrey.

3. If I post a "report," which is rare for me these days due to the danger that specifics present to my fun on the ground, I must have direct experience, or opinion that draws upon current, recent direct experience.

4. If I see inflammatory commentary, especially about any forum member whose acumen in the hobby is well established, someone I am personally acquainted with, I will post commentary in support of them. When the inflammatory commentary is bogus, the offending poster appears to have an agenda, or the offending poster's comments suggest the potential for a self serving reason to post false or inflammatory commentary, then I am usually motivated to comment, often directly making accusation to draw them into the open first and apologizing later.

I used to think that any commentary was better than none. Frankly, I still believe that. My personal opinion is that banter between regularly contributing members, the ones who are probably responsible for 80% of the useful content in this forum to begin with, offering never ending reports, advise, and recommendations, both publicly and privately within the PM system, keeps the forum alive. And, when I say regularly contributing members, I am including all of us that have contributed and/or currently do contribute publicly or privately through the PM system.

But, I have also been repeatedly criticized for engaging in what you describe as "in crowd" banter. In an effort to humor my detractors, I decided to go comparatively silent, in order to enable all that "they" claim may be inhibited by my participation, an opportunity to contribute to the forum.

Literally, I have been silent for weeks at a time for months upon months with this in mind, often resisting the urge to comment out of loyal obligation to give the "inhibited" their free reign. During this period of self exile from the forum, I have noticed little or no participation, little or no posting, little or no activity, certainly none in comparison to what was the former Monterrey board under the former regime.

Frankly, there have been times when checking this forum night after night, that I thought the server operating this forum had been hit by lighting, or that the authorities had locked up Jackson...just completely dead.

So, I have indeed played the leadership role as you suggest by going silent. I often lurk for weeks upon weeks, checking the forum almost nightly, sometimes several times a night, waiting for the formerly inhibited to post their plethora of reports that were formerly inhibited by our ""in-crowd" banter.

Yet, except for the banter we've engaged in here for the last week or so, there is virtually nothing to read...night after night, checking the forum, and virtually nothing. Oh, an occasional report about an escort or an MP now and then. And, those are fine, they are appreciated. But, they are not my chosen venue. So, for my part, I am still relatively disinterested. And, ISG is not for my total gratification, so hopefully the MP and escort guys get something useful from the kind mongers that post their experiences in those venues.

I know, I should pay more attention, I might learn something, I might want a good escort or MP sometime. So, yes, those reports are valuable and appreciated. But, you get what I mean. Comparatively, the forum has little or nothing to offer night after night, certainly nothing like the other forums or even like the other sections of ISG.

But, some of that has to do with other locations being actual mongering destinations, and not just a two-bit sex entertainment venue. Monterrey is, after all, not a real mongering destination. It's a sex entertainment destination. There is a huge difference between the two if one has traveled the World and seen the distinction first hand, believe me.

So, it seems that even with the board wide open, it's just as dead as it always has been, and probably will be. Without the regular posters, this forum is as dead as a doornail. I see nothing but trolls looking to break the monotony. Can you blame them? This is the most fun I've had in months.

And, frankly, they've been successful in doing exactly what I was criticized for doing before, except our "in-crowd" gossip was not inflammatory, and/or full of false opinions, etc...

Well, the forum is now ALIVE...But, alas, nobody's posting anything substantive still. They, meaning the inhibited, either agree with my philosophy, that to post too much in the way of specifics is to risk your own enjoyment of the hobby, or there simply isn't anybody more knowledgeable than the few regular contributors we do have that generously post their direct legitimate experiences.

I happen to believe that there just aren't many in Monterrey willing to post anything of substance, that they prefer to either banter back and forth like enemies, engage in "in crowd" gossip (like me), hide, keep their secret honey pots to themselves, or lurk.

I have no obligation to contribute or to lead the forum, having contributed volumes of information already in the public sense, and remaining available via PM to help when requested to do so. So, the end result, I am virtually silent, waiting for the throngs of inhibited to post their titillating experiences. And, in all fairness, were I to return to an increased level of participation, posting reports, etc...then I would require tolerance on the part of the inhibited. They aren't going to give in, I mean, they are trolls, right? So, I will eventually fade into the background once again.

Except, of course, I just can't help myself when these trolls show up. I just find my resistance to the constant and excruciating boredom to be simply too much to bare, and I fling myself wildly into the fray. :-) Sorry about that!

[QUOTE=Chester Boy]
As far as the help given to you. I don't even know who you are. As Unspongebob is free to state that I am some sinister figure looking to destroy the good name of El Infinito, I am also free to state that you may very well be Unspongebob or Monterreydude using a bogus screen name, one drudged up whenever they need someone to defend them from people who want trip reports in a site dedicated to trip reports.[/quote]
Yes, I'm actually both MonterreyDude and USB. Super Gato is a sockpuppet account that is used solely for defending the MonterreyDude and USB accounts. The hundreds of posts here and on other boards with trip reports and answers to questions are completely fictitious. In fact, MonterreyDude and USB are just one person: A 40 year old virgin that lives in his mom's basement in Indiana. He's never been to Monterrey or anywhere else.

Congratulations for discovering the conspiracy.

[quote]Again, I ask the cosmos, because you guys just don't seem to get it: what the hell is so wrong with asking that respect be given to members who report safety-related stories. And why is it a sin to ask that some, any, important info be shared on this thread?[/quote]
I saw this exchange and it was respectful. But you have to deal with the source of the hearsay and compare it to the preponderance of evidence.

If a dancer and customer were shot at Infinito, MonterreyDude and/or USB would be the first to report on it. There would have been numerous people reporting here and the other monger boards. It would be on the news and in the papers. If I believed everything a dancer said, they're all working their way through school and they could use some extra money because their mom is sick.
[quote]You know, when you're on something like the ISG, you have to assume that many of the people checking in are doing so for the first time and have ZERO knowledge of the city. For them, simple things like pricing, level of girls available, neighborhood info, and other logistics info is invaluable. They shouldn't be forced to register an account, purchase a membership to get PM access and then contact these two guys personally where they will be directed right at El Infinito. Most of the people who actually and truly need this info will not jump through all the hoops and they will just arrive with ZERO info unless they get it elsewhere.[/quote]
Wow that would be great wouldn't it? But it isn't like that and your complaining isn't helping. You want to provide a newbie's guide to Monterrey in the same spirit as Brockton O'Toole's Tijuana Guide, knock yourself out. Jackson might just put it on the ISG front page. But you have to write it. I'm sure with six years in MTY you'll have no problem.

Both of MTYdude and USB do answer people's question in the forum. A lot of times MTYdude will actually meet people out at the bars (not just Infinito) and show them around. These guys are not part of some Infinito conspiracy to draw gringos into their bar and cover up the shootings of dancers in the club.
[quote]If these guys are the leaders of this thread, then they should act like it, update info as needed and not lord their expertise over everyone else, making them beg for it and then attacking all those who dare to challenge them.[/quote]
USB and MonterreyDude post a lot but frankly there's not a lot of traffic on this board because it isn't a big sex tourism destination. The locals and expats know the locations and there's not a lot of new news. The same clubs are there. People pop in and ask questions and they get an answer usually from USB or MonterreyDude because those guys visit the forum often. Again, there's not a huge insider conspiracy.
[quote]Sorry, but even in this pretend internet world, right is right. Respect my opinions, respect me and keep the snide comments to yourself. Points can be disagreed with, but how does "You are a fool! " You know nothing! " "Your an imposter" help the discourse?[/quote]
This is the best thing I’ve read! In the same post where you accuse me of being an imposter you complain about calling people imposters.

As in real life, respect is not guaranteed. It is earned and you’ve done little to earn any. Sorry if the participants in the forum aren’t up to your standards.

I am one of those that prefer the bars. I like the atmosphere and I like the selection. I am one of those that prefers the hunt, as in the paraphrased quote "a diamond found in the rough is far more valuable than one purchased reliably."

I have been to the MP's. Last time I was there I went to one on the advice of someone that is a local and doesn't post here often. It was a great experience. $800 pesos for a girl that was at least an 8.5 in the light of day. On my way out they wanted me to write down for management to see how I scored the time with her. I gave her 99 out of 100. Get that at a club....

Compared to later that night when I pulled a girl out of Tangalay which I thought was extremely hot. In the light of the hotel room she dropped from a 9 to a 7. Experience was good, not great. Wasn't GFE but it was all access. I might repeat if nothing better was found. Total cost was $1350 for 2.5 hours. Total cost for the hunt around $2000.

I still prefer the clubs. I got 3 hours of hunting, which I enjoy, and over 2 hours of "driving in victory lane"; for a total cost of probably 400mx an hour including drinks, privado or two, cigar, and taxi. Cheaper than playing golf and probably more of a sport.

Personal preference is where it's at. Also, at what the high end MP's cost, I can get that here in the US. Really. Are the bars safe? probably not as much as I believe. But I was also in a strip club in the US when a group of local gang members came trolling in. I soon left because I felt there was more of an element of danger from them than any of the cartel members I have seen in Monterrey.

They are saying here that the roads will be closed till Tuesday.

[QUOTE=Bbond]Atrapa corriente tráileres y autos en carretera Nuevo Laredo-Monterrey; cierran

They say closed for at least 2 days....

[url]http://www.elmanana.com.mx/notas.asp?id=190050[/url][/QUOTE]

SG, our mythomanic friend posted that he's been living in Monterrey for the past 6 years.

It would be so easy for him to prove it, I mean, right now, what it means to be in Monterrey... you guys SG, and Bbond, specially Bbond in NL, get my meaning?

Nothing, from CB in this line of posts.



[QUOTE=Super Gato]Yes, I'm actually both MonterreyDude and USB. Super Gato is a sockpuppet account that is used solely for defending the MonterreyDude and USB accounts. The hundreds of posts here and on other boards with trip reports and answers to questions are completely fictitious. In fact, MonterreyDude and USB are just one person: A 40 year old virgin that lives in his mom's basement in Indiana. He's never been to Monterrey or anywhere else.

Congratulations for discovering the conspiracy.


I saw this exchange and it was respectful. But you have to deal with the source of the hearsay and compare it to the preponderance of evidence.

If a dancer and customer were shot at Infinito, MonterreyDude and/or USB would be the first to report on it. There would have been numerous people reporting here and the other monger boards. It would be on the news and in the papers. If I believed everything a dancer said, they're all working their way through school and they could use some extra money because their mom is sick.

Wow that would be great wouldn't it? But it isn't like that and your complaining isn't helping. You want to provide a newbie's guide to Monterrey in the same spirit as Brockton O'Toole's Tijuana Guide, knock yourself out. Jackson might just put it on the ISG front page. But you have to write it. I'm sure with six years in MTY you'll have no problem.

Both of MTYdude and USB do answer people's question in the forum. A lot of times MTYdude will actually meet people out at the bars (not just Infinito) and show them around. These guys are not part of some Infinito conspiracy to draw gringos into their bar and cover up the shootings of dancers in the club.

USB and MonterreyDude post a lot but frankly there's not a lot of traffic on this board because it isn't a big sex tourism destination. The locals and expats know the locations and there's not a lot of new news. The same clubs are there. People pop in and ask questions and they get an answer usually from USB or MonterreyDude because those guys visit the forum often. Again, there's not a huge insider conspiracy.

This is the best thing I’ve read! In the same post where you accuse me of being an imposter you complain about calling people imposters.

As in real life, respect is not guaranteed. It is earned and you’ve done little to earn any. Sorry if the participants in the forum aren’t up to your standards.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Monterreydude]SG, our mythomanic friend posted that he's been living in Monterrey for the past 6 years.

It would be so easy for him to prove it, I mean, right now, what it means to be in Monterrey... you guys SG, and Bbond, specially Bbond in NL, get my meaning?

Nothing, from CB in this line of posts.[/QUOTE]

I rarely laugh out loud but but when I read that I may actually be a made up account that lives only to protect your and USB's honor I cackled.

And then at the bottom of his missive saying that he things calling people an impostor is bad in the same post where I was an impostor! Kettle, meet pot!

If CB wants to provide information and advice on mongering in MTY, I'd be happy to read the reports. But if all he wants to do is complain then he'll just go onto my ignore list.

@Unspongbob - But that's my point! Going into exile is not facilitating discussion. Your style of either not replying at all, or else posting a 10 page novel (about which the first paragraph is on topic, and the rest is about something else) is not encouraging a healthy level of discourse. Quite frankly your long posts are frightening & intimidating to outsiders, and do not encourage discussion. After 10 years on the forum I would really expect someone to start showing more signs of leadership. No, as you said, it is not your obligation, because you are not the forum owner but just another member.

I go to MTY 1~2 times a month and go to the same bars with you, have the same friends of you, and even know some of the same ladies, but I don't really understand most of your posts - which might be a sign they are totally incomprehensible to outsiders. And quite honestly (and no offense intended personally), I don't think your reports are as useful as you think they are. A good quantification of whether this forum is useful is whether someone could piece together enough info to travel independently there. MonterreyDude is my friend, and has helped me find loads of ladies, but "PM MonterreyDude" is not a travel guide. I have been to most major Latin America cities and honestly don't find Monterrey particularly special or anything different as far as operation on the ground.

It should not take a troll like Chester Boy to start a discussion. The fact that members have to resort to being trolls be listened to should be a sign of something - maybe the forum is not as welcoming to new members and different viewpoints as it should be. I see guys on different forums start contributing immediately and get started and jump immediately in the discussion. I don't see that here. It's too much of a clique.

What of my most recent posts did you not understand? I will gladly elaborate if you want me to explain my comments. My comments are written in proper English, so there should be no ambiguity.

The problem is, they're sometimes just not short and sweet, or dumb-ed down sufficiently to be easily scanned over, with little or no effort being necessary by the reader. I doubt that it's a matter of not understanding my posts, and more a matter of simply not wanting to read their length.

I can't be responsible for those that don't want to read them, and fail to comprehend them because they don't want to take the time to try to understand their content. Likewise, I am not responsible for those that don't understand perfectly proper English grammar. No, that's the school system's fault.

Furthermore, I find it really unbelievable that anyone would find my posts to be so frightening and intimidating that they are inhibited from posting anything for weeks and weeks on end, during a time that I post nothing, during a time when there are no other contributions to this forum to influence their participation.

Look, I am simply not going to dumb down my posts, or make them shorter if I want to write a long post. Those that don't want to read my long posts, or are bored by them, etc...they can simply put me on ignore, or even easier, just scan past them...Simple solution.

I've been on a self imposed exile because I don't want to endure criticisms from others insisting that I comment, that I take a leadership role, etc...but aren't happy with the content of my posts, the length of my posts, don't understand what I have to say when I do comment, want to hold me disproportionately responsible for the lack of viability of this forum...yet still want me to participate according to their own subjective whims.

That's precisely why I've been relatively silent, to prove a point. This way, from my perspective, there will be no disappointments, and I won't have to endure an unwanted responsibility. I won't have to be criticized for making off topic conversation, bantering with friends, writing long posts, writing posts that are not understood, etc...

Bottom line, I can get back to having fun rather than wasting time with those looking for some esoteric perfection from me. Other than toying with these trolls, and engaging in occasional banter with my friends to break the boredom of this forum, I will remain in relative obscurity for the benefit of all, but mostly for my own benefit.

[QUOTE=Blourghus]@Unspongbob - But that's my point! Going into exile is not facilitating discussion. Your style of either not replying at all, or else posting a 10 page novel (about which the first paragraph is on topic, and the rest is about something else) is not encouraging a healthy level of discourse. Quite frankly your long posts are frightening & intimidating to outsiders, and do not encourage discussion. After 10 years on the forum I would really expect someone to start showing more signs of leadership. No, as you said, it is not your obligation, because you are not the forum owner but just another member.

I go to MTY 1~2 times a month and go to the same bars with you, have the same friends of you, and even know some of the same ladies, but I don't really understand most of your posts - which might be a sign they are totally incomprehensible to outsiders. And quite honestly (and no offense intended personally), I don't think your reports are as useful as you think they are. A good quantification of whether this forum is useful is whether someone could piece together enough info to travel independently there. MonterreyDude is my friend, and has helped me find loads of ladies, but "PM MonterreyDude" is not a travel guide. I have been to most major Latin America cities and honestly don't find Monterrey particularly special or anything different as far as operation on the ground.

It should not take a troll like Chester Boy to start a discussion. The fact that members have to resort to being trolls be listened to should be a sign of something - maybe the forum is not as welcoming to new members and different viewpoints as it should be. I see guys on different forums start contributing immediately and get started and jump immediately in the discussion. I don't see that here. It's too much of a clique.[/QUOTE]

It's almost laughable for Sponge Bob to compare Monterrery to Chicago. When was the last time a hand granade tossed inside a local TV News station in Chicago?. Never? Well it occured in Monterrey a couple of days ago. When did the National Army and Federal Agents have a shoot out with drug cartels in downtown Chicago? Last time it happend in Chicago was during the 1920's prohibition. Again, this happend in the streets of Monterrey a few days ago on Pino Suárez entre la calle de 15 de Mayo y 5 de Mayo en el centro de Monterrey; close by the clubs. Monterrey was also recently flooded too. Monterrey is deadly right now; If you go take extreme caution.

Boys boys boys...!!!

Temper temper!!!

Very simply said as I know both of you in person and have read you for many years, is that you say the same things in different styles AND in both of you go to the same lengths to be very specific with details storywise.

Blourghus my friend, there is one difference.
You are one of the most experienced mongers I have ever met.
But, only me and a hanful have read you since you post your adventures elsewhere AND your even most personal level goes to another "where" different from "elsewhere".

USB, I've had this same discussion many years ago, but it all sums that USB loves to write, loves to spin his yarns and there is nothing wrong with this.
And I kinda like his style. So does a lot of mongers.

Yes boys, both of you, neither of you can cast the first stone, since both of you are the same, but different
And I am not kidding on this.



[QUOTE=Unspongebob]What of my most recent posts did you not understand? I will gladly elaborate if you want me to explain my comments. My comments are written in proper English, so there should be no ambiguity.

The problem is, they're sometimes just not short and sweet, or dumb-ed down sufficiently to be easily scanned over, with little or no effort being necessary by the reader. I doubt that it's a matter of not understanding my posts, and more a matter of simply not wanting to read their length.

I can't be responsible for those that don't want to read them, and fail to comprehend them because they don't want to take the time to try to understand their content. Likewise, I am not responsible for those that don't understand perfectly proper English grammar. No, that's the school system's fault.

Furthermore, I find it really unbelievable that anyone would find my posts to be so frightening and intimidating that they are inhibited from posting anything for weeks and weeks on end, during a time that I post nothing, during a time when there are no other contributions to this forum to influence their participation.

Look, I am simply not going to dumb down my posts, or make them shorter if I want to write a long post. Those that don't want to read my long posts, or are bored by them, etc...they can simply put me on ignore, or even easier, just scan past them...Simple solution.

I've been on a self imposed exile because I don't want to endure criticisms from others insisting that I comment, that I take a leadership role, etc...but aren't happy with the content of my posts, the length of my posts, don't understand what I have to say when I do comment, want to hold me disproportionately responsible for the lack of viability of this forum...yet still want me to participate according to their own subjective whims.

That's precisely why I've been relatively silent, to prove a point. This way, from my perspective, there will be no disappointments, and I won't have to endure an unwanted responsibility. I won't have to be criticized for making off topic conversation, bantering with friends, writing long posts, writing posts that are not understood, etc...

Bottom line, I can get back to having fun rather than wasting time with those looking for some esoteric perfection from me. Other than toying with these trolls, and engaging in occasional banter with my friends to break the boredom of this forum, I will remain in relative obscurity for the benefit of all, but mostly for my own benefit.[/QUOTE]