Moscow

[QUOTE=Ash1001]Why on earth would a place like Che have face control? I can understand the glam clubs like Diaghilev and Krisha having it, but isn't Che essentially a student hang out?[/QUOTE]Che isn't a student hangout, it's target audience is the emerging middle class. They let in foreigners usually without much trouble, but deny just enough to make the place "desirably semi-elite".

Most Russians in there (and the majority of patrons are Russian) are working normal jobs with decent incomes. I would guess average age of patrons to be between 25-40.

Once when I went with a girlfriend there she had to show ID to prove her age, they thought she was too young, so they seem to target a more mature crowd then the clubs that let in everybody.

There are any number of reasons for clubs to have face control, the main ones being security, getting the right mix of type of person, getting the right mix of men and women and most importantly, maintaining the club's status.

Essentially EVERY club has some sort of face control and as previously stated, it can be very unpredictable. Even at elite clubs you'll find trolls or people where you ask yourself "how the hell did he/she/it get in here".

CHE face control is logical as the club is rather small.

To be honest, I know a little the doormen, so I have never been faced unless I arrive after 1.00PM when the club is already crowded and full. But I have also to admit that the face control is more and more difficult here.

It is not such an issue since this is the best pre-party club in town.

Action starts with the live concert at 23.30 and if at 1.30 i didn't score, i consider that i have to go to another club like vodka bar, fabrique, or... hot dog.

So my advice for che is to arrive just a little before 23.30 and you won'tegt any problem to get in.

"I don't care to belong to a club that accepts people like me as members."
-Groucho Marx

Just a thought... :)

"When I was in Moscow, I balled a Russian babe in my pajamas.
How she got in my pajamas, I'll never know..."

Groucho Marxa

(sorry, couldn't resist)

May I chime in with a question ? :)

How much do a mojito or a Corona cost in a place like Che ?

Do people (girls) drink Baltika or vodka in this kind of middle-to-upper class venues or only cocktails and imported beers ?

[QUOTE=Prosal]May I chime in with a question ? :)

How much do a mojito or a Corona cost in a place like Che ?

Do people (girls) drink Baltika or vodka in this kind of middle-to-upper class venues or only cocktails and imported beers ?[/QUOTE]I cannot remember specifically about Che, however here are my general observations.

* Corona will cost an average of 150-250 rubles per bottle.
* A cocktail will usually run about 250-350 rubles.
* Local beer averages 100-150 rubles for 0,5 l.

Depending on the venue, you may or may not find women drinking local beer, or beer at all. Generally speaking, the more upscale the place the less beer will be drunk by girls. Personally I love it when girls drink beer, but regrettably less and less do. The more studenty, the more beer (or cheap alternatives for getting drunk) will be popular.

Vodka isn't particularly popular among girls as it is considered a low-class or uncool drink by many (particularly Moscuvites, provincial girls haven't been brainwashed against vodka yet), however if you want to go with hard liquor they do like just about anything else. Especially tequila and Sambuca are popular, but so is whisky, rum or cognac. Cocktails are as expected the most popular... and most expensive. Probably the most important factor in a girl's drink choice is "who's buying?". Girls on their own will often "milk" a single drink for a long time to save money until a generous "real man" comes along to assist. ))) Some groups of girls have enough free cash to have their own party however and you'll find many groups of girls getting tipsy. Here again they seem to choose just about any drink except beer and vodka.

There are ways to try to save money when going out to bars, cafes and clubs in Moscow, but there is no avoiding spending money.

Here some average costs:

* meeting in cafe for two, coffee and either salad or dessert: 1200 rubles ($50)
* light dinner for two with drinks: 3000 rubles ($120)
* heavy dinner for two with drinks and additional courses: 4500 rubles ($180)
* night clubbing at one club with average volume drinks for self and occasional drinks bought for others, taxis, entrance fee: 2500 rubles ($100)
* heavy night clubbing at multiple clubs with multiple drinks for self, some drinks for others, taxis and entrance fees: 4500 rubles ($180)

So yes, freebies aren't free. )))

Some tips to save money:

* don't order wine at dinner, or if you do make sure you choose and she doesn't automatically go for the most expensive one
* do your dating at cafes and not at dinners
* use the metro for your daytime and evening travelling, at night taxi only real option
* don't drink so much... :)

[QUOTE=Doctor_Skank] here are my general observations.[/QUOTE]
Doc, thanks for the elaborate answer. For a heavy club drinker and a incurable late-night partier such as myself Moscow seems financially suicidal. :(

[QUOTE=Doctor_Skank] Personally I love it when girls drink beer, but regrettably less and less do.[/QUOTE]
One of the GREAT things about Tashkent is that girls almost never drink LIITs, B52s, Flying Bikinis, Mojitos or other expensive shits but beer or vodka, and are perfectly happy with that. Even in the most upscale and hippest venues like Basha or KTKomba I've never been asked for anything else than Baltika (they don't care about imported beers), vodka shots plus fruit juice or soda, or the occasional Red Bull.

Nothing is more sexy and appealing than a 8 or a 9 drinking Baltika from the bottle !! :)

Long-neck beer costs 5000 soums ($3.5) in Tashkent glam clubs BTW, and vodka shot 2000 soums.

[QUOTE=Prosal]Doc, thanks for the elaborate answer. For a heavy drinker and a incurable late-night partier such as myself Moscow seems financially suicidal. :(


One of the GREAT things about Tashkent is that girls almost never drink LIITs, B52s, Flying Bikinis, imported beer or other expensive shit but Baltika or vodka, and are perfectly happy with that. Even in the most upscale and hippest venues like basha or KTKomba I've never been asked for anything else than beer or vodka shots.

Nothing is more sexy and appealing than a 8 or a 9 drinking Baltika from the bottle !! :)[/QUOTE]I agree with you 110%, and in Russian provinces it is essentially the same... however according to my observations in Moscow (at least in the middle to upper class clubs/bars) beer and vodka are out, at least among girls.

I'm a fairly heavy club drinker myself, so lesser thirsty party-goers may spend less than me...

I'm not sure whether or not it is because they don't like it or if it is because when in public they'd rather drink something more fashionable.

In my experience the same non-beer and non-vodka drinking girls are happy to drink beer or vodka while cuddling on the sofa in pre-poking grope-time.

I'll try not to lose sleep over it and continue to stock my fridge with beer and vodka.... :)

Monday in Kiev was back to back business meetings. My stomach was feeling much better and I was getting my strength back [after a bad case of Turkmenbashi's revenge]. I got the airport at 7:30 PM for a 9:40 PM flight and soon on my way back to Moscow. On the plane, I met a gorgeous blond named Vika who got on and sat in the window seat in my row just before the door closed. My initial thought was, “oh sure, another rich spoiled Russian Blondnika” who prances onto the plane at the last moment and think she owns the place. I had the aisle so there was just the two of us. She was really stunning and Ilar, who was sitting in the aisle seat across from me, kept needling me to make a move on her. That’s not usually my style so I just sort of laughed it off. When the drinks cart came around she ordered a shot of Garilka (Ukrainian vodka) so I followed suit and just before drinking I offered a toast just to be polite. This turned out to be a great ice breaker as she got very chatty. She said she did not speak any English but could understand some as she is an international lawyer working for a firm in Moscow. I asked if she had been in Kiev for the weekend as well, but she told me that she had been in Tbilisi (Republic of Georgia) for the weekend and that direct travel between Georgia and Russia was pretty limited these days, hence the connection in Kiev. One shot led to two, and two led to three and pretty soon we were both pretty chatty.

She was a Russian citizen as she declined the usual landing card for foreigners so I am guessing that she might have Georgian relatives. In any case, we started chatting about Moscow and asked her which her favorite night club was. She said she didn’t do night clubs much and preferred Jazz clubs. On the subject of restaurants she told me her favorite was Ginitsvalli, so there MUST have been some sort of Georgian connection. One thing led to another and she agreed to have dinner with me on Tuesday night as she did not go back to work until Wednesday. She gave me her phone number and agreed to the date. When we landed, we walked together down to the immigration in SVO-1 and split as she walked into the line for Russian citizens. All this time Ildar has his mouth hanging open and offering new found respect for my pick up abilities.

The flight arrived just after 12:00 midnight and immigration was quick and easy. Ildar’s driver was waiting outside so in moments we were headed into town. Ildar had an early meeting on Tuesday so he declined my offer to hook up with Pizdyets at Itazsh. It wasn’t until I got out of the car that I realized that I had left my Russian mobile phone on the fucking plane. Damnit. I still had my US Blackberry with me so I wasn’t incommunicado, but Vika’s number was on that phone!!!!!! Double damnit.

Pizdyets and I had a few drinks back at Itazsh and decided to relocate to Hot Dogs to check out the action. I honestly can’t remember the name of the girl I dragged home that night or what I paid her because I was so pissed off that I lost my stupid phone with Vika’s number on it. She probably sat home Tuesday night and cursed that stupid Americanits for not calling her.

But speaking of Hot Dogs, it was pretty dead on that Monday night. Pizdyets and I agreed that we would have one beer (maybe two) and then give some serious thought to hitting one of the salons. There was a brunette sitting next to us at the bar that I gave a passing glance and a smile to but that was about it. The rugby was on TV so we chatted and laughed about my “shitty” weekend in Kiev and decided one more beer would not hurt. For no particular reason, I turned to the gal next to me and asked if I could buy her a drink. She asked for a shot of Red Label which immediately got my attention as most of the girls (as you all know) tend to shy away from whiskey while they are working. There was something a bit shy and non-aggressive about this girl, which was not what I was in the mood for considering how pissed off I was about losing Vika’s number. Screw the phone – I wanted that NUMBER!!!!

Luckily, a stereotypical “dirty girl” materialized and soon Pizdyets and I were sitting at the table with the two of them discussing the price of tea in China. Dirty Girl kept telling me “pashlee, pashlee” (let’s get outta here) so when Pizdyets and Whisky Girl got up to dance we made a move to my apartment and she punished me for losing Vika’s phone number. Whip me – beat me – make me write bad checks…….

NOTE: I will post this in both the Ukraine thread and the Moscow thread as it’s a lead-in to the rest of the week in Moscow.

[QUOTE=Doctor_Skank]however according to my observations in Moscow (at least in the middle to upper class clubs/bars) beer and vodka are out, at least among girls.[/QUOTE]

I totally concur. If you're walking in a park, they'll agree to drink beer with you, but both vodka/beer are eschewed in the club unless there are no other options.

BTW, a mojito in Chikivara (local speak for Che) costs 400R, at least on weekends.

[QUOTE]
I'm a fairly heavy club drinker myself, so lesser thirsty party-goers may spend less than me...
[/QUOTE]

Yup... I don't leave home without at least 15K in my pocket, and that's with no intention for p4p. Forget about my liver - that's reason enough to stop drinking.

Recently had a first date with a 20 y.o. ballerina/studentka (we met at Che). She's tall, blonde, super tight body, great legs, shapely ass, cute face with rosy cheeks and has a super smile. I really wanted to get into her pants, so went for a walk in the park, then took her to a high-end seafood restaurant, ordered just about the cheapest wine on the menu (2800R), 2 starters, 2 mains, then proceeded to a trendy bar for postprandial cocktails. Total was 12K ($480) but I still didn't close the deal. Mind you that I can afford it and the 7 hours of conversation was surprisingly scintillating, but it has made me reassess the meaning of "freebie" when I could have outcalled a HotDog girl I met previously and spent half of that.

[QUOTE=Pizdyets]
Recently had a first date with a 20 y.o. ballerina/studentka (we met at Che). She's tall, blonde, super tight body, great legs, shapely ass, cute face with rosy cheeks and has a super smile. [/QUOTE]

Yes, I can corroborate the physical description if she's the same on from Wednesday night. I was wondering how all of that went. You're full invested now buddy - stay the course until you close the deal. In for a penny - in for pound.

After an uneventful pub crawl with some expat Brits, I hooked up with Pizdyets and Solntsa Yada last Wednesday night at Che around midnight. I was my first time in Che and it was shoulder to shoulder standing room. Within a few minutes, this girl in her late 20's makes eye contact with me and starts coming my way. Solntsa Yada intercepts her and she tells him in English that she wants to meet me but SY decides that she's a "3" at best and sends her on her way. The fact of the matter is that there were quite a few girls there that night you would not exactly consider pretty. And they had to be there for only one reason.

For the rest on the night she's giving me the eye from across the bar and, while I agree with Solnsta Yada, she wasn't very good looking but there was something strangely attractive about her. It's like looking at a solar eclipse - you know it's not going to be good for you, but you can't look away. She had jet black hair with dark eyes and really full lips - almost like they had been injected.

Once Pizdyets and Solntsa Yada got tangled up with the Blond Beauty and her friend - The troll made a bee line to me and starts up some conversation. Turns out, her name was Nyuka and she's originally from Turkmenistan. She ran away from home several years ago in disgrace because she fucked a Russian boy and got pregnant. I told her that I had just been in Turkmenistan the previous week and that I thought that Turkmen girls were sexy because they were so unavailable. That seemed to have done the trick because were were out the door in record time. It was clear that this girl had been rejected by the most of the guys in the bar and needed sex badly.

I don't normally like to get into details but this girl was wild. Single Mom, from outta town, yada, yada, yada. She insisted on CBJ but at the very last moment rips off the condom and insists that I give her a "mask", as in "glaze the face". Holy cow, THAT was a little unexpected. Anyhow - it was clear that she had a itch that needed scratching. The funny thing was that she ate me out of house and home. My food supplies were dwindling but she damn near ate everything in the fridge. She was not fat (quite the contrary) but had one hell of an appetite (sexually and otherwise).

Anyhow - the moral of the story is that even the (seemingly) ugly girls need love too. There is a reason they don't get faced at Che.

You can get angry and violent with the girl and insist on the night if you're renting a flat. It's not like she can call the cops. Personally I wouldn't pay 8,000 rubles to fuck an Asian, unless they were Belarusian rubles. Taking her home gives you a bit of leeway that you would lack if you went to a place like Charmel.


[QUOTE=Stravinsky]I was wandering through sextalk.ru and stumbled upon a discussion thread for Night Flight. This was interesting because the local guys hardly ever write about NF, it's a little like Disneyland for them. Reading through the discussion, I discovered there was a post on the thread from a Moderator for sextalk.ru, so I imagine this guy speaks with some authority. I thought he offered some interesting observations and insight into a place that we all know about and most of us have been to at least once or twice.

This report was posted on Jan. 9, 2008. Editor's note: the local guys in Moscow refer to a working girl as a "fairy".

[i]Hardly more than two months ago, my girlfriend and I, along with one of our acquaintances, were leaving a club upon the termination of one of our glamorous evenings and were temporarily puzzled as to what we should do next. We did not think long, however, since our acquaintance, having taken an interest, asked how long it had been since we were in "Night Flight", and suggested we try it out. No sooner said than done, 15 minutes later, we were entering the club.

We encountered the club as usual. Once inside, we had a few beers, and shared our impressions with each other of the evening so far. So, after our 3rd (or 4th?) 0.5-liter, our acquaintance, enjoying the surrounding atmosphere (and it is possible, duly influenced by it) declared his desire, without hesitation, to take away a fairy from this "legendary" night club. A minute or two later, a very beautiful asiatochka (and I have seen them in my life - the same and even more beautiful) was already smartly carrying on the negotiations with him. We only had time to finish off our 5th (or 4th?) 0.5 liters of beer as our friend with the asiatochka has come to an agreement for 8,000 rubles for the night. Having made payment, we leave the club. I, with my girl friend, went to "Byelii Medvyed" and our acquaintance has carried away the asiatochka to his home.

He called in the morning to give me a long sob story that this daughter of the Korean and the Uzbek (or Kirghizes, the Kazakh woman - any more I do not remember) gave him a blow job exclusively with a condom on. She assumed the position for sex half-heartedly and in general, after 1,5 - 2 hours began to gather together her things to go home. In answer to his very reasonable question, "What the hell do you think you're doing?", she responds that the whole night costs 1,500 green ones [dollars] and not a kopeck less.

So, it is ever thus. Therefore, it is necessary to remember that it is better to stipulate everything in detail and in advance - specifying all of your preferences (perversions, needs and so forth) so that they will be executed properly by the "Night Flight" fairy. Whether your understanding is correct and the price accepted by you is the price for the whole night. I understand that from the above-stated situation, nobody is insured - but nevertheless.

And still - a little bit, IMHO, about the situation in "Night Flight" (it is exclusive from my personal experience). The place ("central", "legendary", supported mainly by foreigners, with the rigid face-control of the avenue [Tverskaya]) promotes that, the prices, which the local fairies are reporting to sextalk.ru , have not even the slightest relation to the quality of service they provide. Most likely, these prices develop exclusively from the fairies' own level of conceit or vanity and their particular individual understanding of that, and correspond with how much each one considers she can charge at any given point in time (I suppose that, day by day, this parameter is capable of changing).

There is, in general, a very big risk that the concept of "the fairy of the higher price category", with reference to the fairies of "Night Flight", will more likely indicate the COMPLETE OPPOSITE - the higher the declared price, the greater the conceit of the fairy, and consequently, the lower quality of service.

Certainly, exceptions happen. But they are rare (For example, it is possible to negotiate for 300 green ones, instead of for 500). But, first - it is necessary to negotiate, secondly (as the experience of my acquaintance has shown) this too is not the fact...). Yes, into the account of the starting price - be ready for this, that they are completely able to declare 500 Euros instead of Dollars (which is exactly how they began to negotiate with my acquaintance).

You should try "Night Flight" once or twice, because then, you will quickly realize that there is nothing present in this club that is out of the ordinary. It will particularly reinforce your understanding after that, of how you compare the quality and services of the "Night Flight" fairies with the fairies who charge 2500 - 3000 rubles for an hour (reports of which are more than enough on sextalk.ru).

But this is my personal point of view and I impose it on no one.[/i][/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Blaked]You can get angry and violent with the girl and insist on the night if you're renting a flat. It's not like she can call the cops. Personally I wouldn't pay 8,000 rubles to fuck an Asian, unless they were Belarusian rubles. Taking her home gives you a bit of leeway that you would lack if you went to a place like Charmel.[/QUOTE]

Blaked - you should really lay off the Max Hardcore videos for a while, man. That shit ain't healthy. And don't be thinking you're immune to Russian krysha either. Sure, many of the NF girls are true freelancers, but you rough up the wrong girl, and you're in for a world o' hurt, [B]precisely[/B] if you're renting a flat instead of staying in a hotel.

[quote=acolonizer]hi guys,

i need a very important confirmation about our favourite game:

in your real experiences in moscow and in russia, please only real statistics, the deepthroat swallow blowjob is usual with russian girls and prostitutes? because i found a lot of agencies offering that but i don't trust much in their replies!

please, help because this is very important for all us![/quote]hard to find for real, for dt i inquire each time, yet, little to no success, and when they say they can and try, they barely get halfway. as for swallowing, yes its more common, but problematic, you ask them to do so up front, they wont even give you the bbbj, you dont ask, and you'll watch it jet along your crab ladder or she'll have a tissue handy (or bolt for the bathroom)

[quote=slutlover]has anyone been to a moscow swinger club?[/quote]i can't say i have personal experience from joining in the fun, but i did attend a place at a request of a friend, to find out if it was indeed a swingers club or a fancy restaurant. it was a central bed, around 12ft diameter. with a balustrade around, a walk way around that, and approx 14 smaller rooms, with see through curtains, to watch the central show, or thick curtains to keep out peeps. cost was 5000rubs a guy, strict face control, 2500 a couple, free for women. food and drinks served by waitresses (25k for waitress participation) very indian/arabian look to the place, like a harem. near red gate metro.

[QUOTE=Jake993]Yes, I can corroborate the physical description if she's the same on from Wednesday night. I was wondering how all of that went. You're full invested now buddy - stay the course until you close the deal. In for a penny - in for pound.[/QUOTE]I find that the concept of freebee only works if you 'dont' include the first 2 dates.. I'm sitting pretty with a couple of nice 7's, if I have nothing to do, I message them around 9, that I'm coming home from work, I'd like to cuddle them before falling asleep, I stress.. no sex. I'm too tired, they NEVER let me get away with that. no cafe, no nightclub, no cost.

[QUOTE=Jake993] Solntsa Yada intercepts her and she tells him in English that she wants to meet me but SY decides that she's a "3" at best and sends her on her way. The fact of the matter is that there were quite a few girls there that night you would not exactly consider pretty. And they had to be there for only one reason.[/QUOTE] Sorry mate, didn't notice that she had her eye on you, I just turned her away from the group, as unattractive attention usually sets other girls a standard by which the rest of us get judged. That was rude of me.

[QUOTE=Jake993] I told her that I had just been in Turkmenistan the previous week and that I thought that Turkmen girls were sexy because they were so unavailable. That seemed to have done the trick because were were out the door in record time.[/QUOTE]Well done, getting what your keen on is more fun that getting the best in the place. I should have ignored Piz's advice and just taken the blonde 40yr old, she could have taught me something..