Manila

So for us seasoned guys, we all know the drill.

For the newer guys to the Phils scene, even if you've done your balls over some pretty little thing you've just nailed, never, ever send them money via G-Cash or the like.

Once you do, and even if it's just 500 p, they've hooked you in, or will harass the f#ck out of you.

The reason I'm saying this is, the contact I hooked up with on my first night back a few days ago, hit me up for cash moments after she left the hotel over a year ago to say Dad had died.

Today, I've been inundated with messages to help her with the rent after our latest hook-up.

Now, I've never sent her cash via G Cash, but I did it once to get a another girl to my room way back. You learn by your mistakes.

I always tell them upfront, I only pay in person.

Sure, they try and guilt you when cash doesn't go their way. However, they never knock back a payment for action next time around.

Just done two in two days.

Just my experience _Phil.

[QUOTE=PhilJoy;3086516]So for us seasoned guys, we all know the drill.

For the newer guys to the Phils scene, even if you've done your balls over some pretty little thing you've just nailed, never, ever send them money via G-Cash or the like.

Once you do, and even if it's just 500 p, they've hooked you in, or will harass the f#ck out of you.[/QUOTE]Use the block function on your phone / app. Constant begging to the nth degree (never give up) is a cultural trait.

Province girl busses into the big city for 3-days / 2-nights of jizz-me-up. She ran rings around me in bed. The things I put up with.

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;3086562]Use the block function on your phone / app. Constant begging to the nth degree (never give up) is a cultural trait.[/QUOTE]One more argument to have a separate play phone.

I just turn it off and throw it in a drawer somewhere. It only gets turned back on a day or two before departure.

I'm visiting Manila after several years, and see that a lot has changed.

Pre-COVID I recall that Eurogirlescort was a good source you find freelancers and setup meetings. Post-COVID Smooci was a thing. While there were a few pimp managed posts, there were also freelancers, and regular girls doing it for some extra money. What are the best options for this now? I see mention of an app; some tips / guidance would help.

What hasn't changed I guess are pickup places like Burgos street, and Ermita around Robinsons, and LA Cafe.

Let me know please if I'm missing something.

I do have some numbers and contacts from some years ago, but I expect them to be dead ends. Either not in use, or girls having different lives now.

[QUOTE=Goferring;3086592]One more argument to have a separate play phone.

I just turn it off and throw it in a drawer somewhere. It only gets turned back on a day or two before departure.[/QUOTE]I hate carrying 2 phones around, but I just bought a cheap used one for 2 K, not because of the above mentioned problem, but because Tinder blocked mine, and I can't find no workaround, it doesn't matter what I tried. I think something unique to the phone is being used by the app, serial, or IMEI. I didn't bothered until now because I only use T when traveling in Indonesia, and sometimes in Manila. Is time to move around soon.

Getting ready for my next trip there and doing some early planning, or at least as much as I can LOL. Was wondering what the best clubs to party and find semi-pro, FLs, or civvies 4 freebies are? I RTFF this one and some others, and found that Secret Door, Royal, Octopus, and Buccaneers seem to be the best for FL. But also read that Secret Door is currently closed, so where did all those FLs and bargirls move to while that place is closed?

Anyone have any info on Ugly Duck, Z-Hostel, H&J, White Rabbit, Bolthole, Lynx, and Occult? I like to club hop and party as well, so wondering what's a spot that's a target rich environment with civvies to pick up for free or at least which of these has a decent amount of FLs.

Also found out about Miss Universe and King and Queen clubs in Malate. Anyone familiar with these places? Not sure if Midnight Haven is any good as I hear most of the girls there are 35+, and I'm used to under 32.

I'm guessing the average going rate rn for FLs is 3 k. At least I never paid more than 3 k - 4 k for FLs and bargirls I'd meet before or after their work, figure it hasn't changed much. Been reading alot of scams with LBs (saying they're girls to get in the room alone with you) and girls saying too young or causing issues once in the room with upselling or setting you up with video recordings. Not sure if bad vetting process on several guys or things just got more ruthless overall. Hoping PL, Tinder, WeChat, and Bumble are still good and viable for freebies and reasonably priced FL with GFE.

Will post a report after. Just haven't seen these spots mentioned often on here, and if so, very little info about them. Lastly, best times to go to each of these, if known/possible.

[QUOTE=GuyReynolds;3086730]Getting ready for my next trip there and doing some early planning, or at least as much as I can LOL. Was wondering what the best clubs to party and find semi-pro, FLs, or civvies 4 freebies are? I RTFF this one and some others, and found that Secret Door, Royal, Octopus, and Buccaneers seem to be the best for FL. But also read that Secret Door is currently closed, so where did all those FLs and bargirls move to while that place is closed?

Anyone have any info on Ugly Duck, Z-Hostel, H&J, White Rabbit, Bolthole, Lynx, and Occult? I like to club hop and party as well, so wondering what's a spot that's a target rich environment with civvies to pick up for free or at least which of these has a decent amount of FLs.

Also found out about Miss Universe and King and Queen clubs in Malate. Anyone familiar with these places? Not sure if Midnight Haven is any good as I hear most of the girls there are 35+, and I'm used to under 32.

I'm guessing the average going rate rn for FLs is 3 k. At least I never paid more than 3 k - 4 k for FLs and bargirls I'd meet before or after their work, figure it hasn't changed much. Been reading alot of scams with LBs (saying they're girls to get in the room alone with you) and girls saying too young or causing issues once in the room with upselling or setting you up with video recordings. Not sure if bad vetting process on several guys or things just got more ruthless overall. Hoping PL, Tinder, WeChat, and Bumble are still good and viable for freebies and reasonably priced FL with GFE.

Will post a report after. Just haven't seen these spots mentioned often on here, and if so, very little info about them. Lastly, best times to go to each of these, if known/possible.[/QUOTE]I'm not in town now but I would be surprised if Secret Door is closed. It may have appeared closed early because it comes alive late, very late at night and morning. Girls will go there after their bar closes or to hang out with friends after work.

3 k might get you a ST or a part timer if you are good looking with game. Your regular monger will need to be more generous esp for overnight. 4 or 5 K is more likely with stunners trying their luck for 10 k.

Like everywhere, you need your gaydar turned on. But the risks are no more or less than any other clubs. Sometimes I think guys complaints of "surprises" aren't that much of a surprise if you know what I mean.

Freebies are available if you have the charm and looks but is it really with the hassle? Remember pussy is never truely free.

Enjoy. G.

You're 100% right. I don't believe in free lunches either... my bad, I mean pussies. Honestly, I don't have time and patience anymore, mostly on a short trip, look for instant gratification, which comes with a price.

[QUOTE=Goferring;3086759] Freebies are available if you have the charm and looks but is it really with the hassle? Remember pussy is never truely free.

Enjoy. G.[/QUOTE]

Too much talk, not enough pictures. Retro shot from back in the day (walking thru the archives). A lithe little yummy who couldn't stop taking selfies.

OK, back to the babel.

[QUOTE=GuyReynolds;3086730]Getting ready for my next trip there and doing some early planning, or at least as much as I can LOL. Was wondering what the best clubs to party and find semi-pro, FLs, or civvies 4 freebies are? I RTFF this one and some others, and found that Secret Door, Royal, Octopus, and Buccaneers seem to be the best for FL. But also read that Secret Door is currently closed, so where did all those FLs and bargirls move to while that place is closed?

Anyone have any info on Ugly Duck, Z-Hostel, H&J, White Rabbit, Bolthole, Lynx, and Occult? I like to club hop and party as well, so wondering what's a spot that's a target rich environment with civvies to pick up for free or at least which of these has a decent amount of FLs.

Will post a report after. Just haven't seen these spots mentioned often on here, and if so, very little info about them. Lastly, best times to go to each of these, if known/possible.[/QUOTE]Most of those clubs you mentioned in Poblacion are frequented by regular Filipinos, but that won't preclude you from cultivating some action; you'll just need to be a bit more discerning than in a P Burgos Club. Most of those clubs are located on either General Luna or Don Pedro. Also, don't forget about Dr. Wine on Algiers St: plenty of freelancers; plus, they have a nice rooftop dining and drinking area. Perhaps you'll meet Joyce, a regular frequenter.

I recently visited Manila for two days last March. Prior to that I was in Philippines several years ago. Looking back at my posts from those years, I can see how naive I was and also how much easier it was to pickup a FL. Those were the days of guaranteed success on DIA, at Manila Bay (LA Cafe), inside Robinsons Mall, Malate, hoards of Massage girls around the Filling Station in Makati, mature pickings in Greenbelt.

My two days in March 2026 were quite disappointing. Didn't see any exciting prospects in LA Cafe (back to the old name I see), Robinsons was fruitless, even outside Robinsons. Outside the Filling Station, several LB's and a few real girls but no body interesting. A brief tour of greenbelt didn't seem promising either. Granted, it was only two days, but a couple of friends have told me its been like that for a while.

I'm considering going back for a longer stay, but don't seem to be finding the same good intel I used to find on this board. I would appreciate some pointers regarding Manila and Makati to get me on the way again.

Would you mind sharing the cost? I'm currently in talks for something exactly like this. Much appreciated.

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;3086563]Province girl busses into the big city for 3-days / 2-nights of jizz-me-up. She ran rings around me in bed. The things I put up with.[/QUOTE]

Hi everyone! I'm getting ready for my trip and was wondering if anyone knows about City Garden GRAND Hotel (different from City Garden that has been talked about) in Poblacion. Is it green? Ideally I want to bring up girls without having to register. Pretty confident about some of the connections I have made so far so far not worried about getting them from clubs or streets and just want a decent place where no one from the staff bothers us as long as we are not doing anything crazy. Appreciate your feedback.

[QUOTE=Chola;3088180]Would you mind sharing the cost? I'm currently in talks for something exactly like this. Much appreciated.[/QUOTE]Yes. Have been with her multiple times before. P1000 roundtrip bus fare. She's impulsive and likes to explore, so there was clubbing / live band, exploring Intramuros and Rizal Park, and of course food for several days; probably p5-6000-ish. P4000 to the girl at the end of our time (remember, she's provincial). Bought her a bag (purse) at Glorieta for p1100. Spent p600 on uki clothes in Baclaran. Taxis 1500. Do the math.

To note. I took her to a nice restaurant one day. A waste of money, and more pleasant for me than the provincial girl. Next time we'll stick to 7-11 and Jollibee chickenjoy.